June 10, 2025

Good Communication | New Mexico

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Season 1

Join the Bigfoot Society as host Jeremiah Byron interviews Jenny and Norman, documentary filmmakers from New Mexico. Jenny, also a news photographer for the Gallup Sun, shares her and her husband's experiences with Bigfoot on their off-grid property in Ramah, New Mexico. They recount various encounters including a violent house shaking, finding large footprints, mysterious trail cam photos, and communication through gifts left by the elusive creature. Norman delves into the Navajo perspective on Bigfoot, highlighting their spiritual significance and role as master herbalists. The episode also discusses the broader implications of these encounters and calls for increased awareness and respect for these beings. This episode is packed with insights on the sacred landscapes of New Mexico and draws connections between environmental changes and Bigfoot sightings.

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slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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the show, all right. Bigfoot Society got the privilege of

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talking to Jenny and Norman, documentary filmmakers out of the

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great state of New Mexico. How's it going, guys, Really.

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Well, Jeremiah, thank you, it's awesome. It's a great day,

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oh it is.

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It is a beautiful day out, and you know, it's

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great to have both of you on today. Jenny is

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also a news photographer for the Gallop Sun down there,

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so I want to point that, and they might point

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out some other things as well. But Jenny and Norman

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have been having some interesting things happen over the years,

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and they reached out to to be able to share

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what they've experienced. So guys, welcome to the show. Feel

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free to if there's anything else you would like to

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share about yourselves, and if not, I'll let you get

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right into it.

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Okay, Well, you're right. We live in the great state

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of New Mexico. It's beautiful. I live near Rama, New Mexico,

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which is a Mormon pioneer town that was found in

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the eighteen hundreds. And I also live about six miles

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away from Pine Hill, New Mexico, which is part of

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the Rema Navajo res and I lived pretty much off

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the grid, and I think we bought the house and

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the land about ten years excuse me, sixteen years ago.

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And the first time we spend any time there, my

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husband and I, it was on New Year's Eve and

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we were snowed in. I mean it was a blizzard,

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and my husband had gone to bed early and I

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was watching TV out in the living room and all

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of a sudden, something violently shook the house, I mean

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shook it. It wasn't an earthquake. Or anything like that.

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It only came from one end of the house. And

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you know what's interesting, Jeremiah is to me is that

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it was like a switch went off. I mean I knew,

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I knew it was him, And I wasn't a believer

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before that. I've always kind of had paranormal experiences throughout

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my life since I was a child, but I was

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not into Fastquatch or as the big fella as I

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call him. And I went outside for a minute on

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the porch and it was snowing like crazy, and I

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could hear deep crunches coming in the snow, like huge footsteps,

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and I just knew that's what it was. I mean,

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it's like something goes off in you and you just

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know it. So that was the first incident, and I

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would come up in the summers because we had a

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place in Arizona. It was just too hot in the

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summer and when to get out of the heat. So

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that's how we ended up where we were where I

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am now full time. And then there was a there

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was a footprint I found on my path I made

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like a hiking path, you know, around the ten acres,

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so you know, I could see if there were any

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snakes in front of me. I'm irish and I'm not

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happy about snakes. So anyway, I found the print and

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it was about sixteen inches from heel to toe, and

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I preserved it, and I wasn't scared or anything like that,

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but I just knew something was going on, obviously, and

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previously before that, when we the first summer I was

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up there, I wanted to get pictures on a trail

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cam of elk, because there are a lot of elk around,

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and so I put it in this place that I

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call the Magic Forest, which is right next to the house,

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and it has a lot of rocky mountain junipers and

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pinon trees which are sacred. You know, you shouldn't do

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anything to them unless you have a medicine man or

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somebody to be there if they need to be cut

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for any reason. So I put the trail cam in

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the middle of the magic forest and there were three

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pictures the next morning, and the thing was a trail

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cam had been moved three times, but was in the

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same spot I had left it when I got up

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in the morning and got it, and there were literally

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hundreds of orbs, I mean, just tons of orbs. And

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I know the land where I am used to be

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on a saz and so you know, they're people that

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lived there, who lived right, you know, on my land,

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and had children, died there and you know, and went

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to the other side. So I knew there was something

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really magical going on there. And then there were other incidents.

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There were a couple of rock throwing incidents. And I

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was out walking because I'd spend a lot of time

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outside it still do because you know, seventy five degrees

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compared to one fifteen down in Arizona. So anyway, I

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had some things happen, knocks, rocks thrown, and what I

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call freezing when I'd be out walking and all of

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a sudden, I'd freeze. I couldn't move, I couldn't move,

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And I remember telling BFRO about that, and I think

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they told me. Somebody told me that lions and tigers

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and things put off a pheromone like something that they

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can kind of freeze their prey.

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That is probably referring to a thing called infrasound. A

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lot of bigger predators will use that, and it's thought

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that bigfoot can do that as well, to freeze their

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prey or to get something to stop moving. I've experienced

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that as well, so go right, go right ahead.

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That happened three times, and the third time was when

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I decided I had to call bfro It was like

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somebody took a rock concerts speakers and put them outside

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my laughted, a howl, a scream. Then I grew up

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in the woods, up in the roundext so you know,

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I grew up with sounds, but this was something else.

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And I sat right up in bed around five am

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and just froze. And I had five dogs in and

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they froze too. We all froze. So I just wanted

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to find out what I needed to do to respect him,

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to let him know that I wasn't there to hurt

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him or anything like that. And so they when they

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came out, they suggested leaving apples and things for him.

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So I've been doing that and when I started doing that,

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the relationship changed a lot. It became was good communication.

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And again, as I say so, I'll let Norman speak

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now too, because he's had experiences since his childhood up

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in many many farms chin Lee area, and maybe you'd

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like to talk to that. Norman.

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Well, thanks for your podcast and educating people. I think

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that's really important. It's really critical that you have a

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podcast that's focusing on a being, a person that that

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has a heart, that has a mind that you know

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is can communicate, and it's not an animal, it's a

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it's a it's a person. And from a novel perspective

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from the stories and knowledge I've gleaned from stories and

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listening to elders, from a novel perspective, it's it's it's

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it's really deep in terms of how we view this

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person or persons and they are an entity. And from

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what we've experienced as well as other Native tribes across

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North America indigenous tribes, is that they represent the spirit

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of nature. You might as you might call them a

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child of Mother Earth. From what I've heard is that

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their massive herbless I was told that they're sort of

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like a healer in that natural world. And there's things

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that we everyday people do not really understand. But those

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that have those spiritual gifts have a process of understanding

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how they are, what they are, and who they are

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because they've been around as long as we have Indigenous

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tribes and we have stories about them. And I'm not

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going to really go into specifics about those stories because

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those are our oral history. Some of those stories belong

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to families and communities. What I can just share is

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just the basic idea of who he is. He has

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many names. I think what's really important is that I've

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been watching listening to podcasts for past ten maybe twelve years,

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thirteen years, and I've noticed that the view the various

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podcasts read these stories or experiences have kind of been multiplied.

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What I mean by that is there's more visual examples

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and representations of, you know, his presence. And I believe

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a lot of our Indigenous people believe that it's going

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to continue even more. And I was told by a

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grandmother that there are messengers and the more they're viewed,

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the more they're seeing is they're trying to tell us

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something in their own way. And how we interpret that

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is through our understanding, through our prayers, and through our ceremonies,

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in our songs and our offerings, and from that process

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there is a connection that we have. It's an innate

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process that we've been taught since we were young as

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Native people, and one is being aware of your environment,

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understanding what the environment is, the elements being in harmony

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in balance with these elements. And the more you educate

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yourself and the more you're in that learned process of

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learning the spiritual reality of our relationship to Mother Earth

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and the natural world, we become much clearer and of

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understanding how we're all in this together. And that's that's

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what it's really about.

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It.

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It's finding balance not only with ourselves, but the natural world.

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And sasquatch or a bigfoot or whatever that name they

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have is a part of that, and we can't separate

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ourselves from them vice versa. We're in all this together,

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and it's it's it's it's an example of the trying

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times we're going through. There's a lot of turmoil all

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over the world. There's natural disasters. People might call it

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timate change or you know, but the weather as we

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all see it today is at its extreme as well

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as the idea of greed, and you know, all the

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negativity of society is really expanding and exploding into our

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daily lives where you know, it's affecting our way of

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life as indigenous people. But I might also add that

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all humans are born with that gift of understanding that

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the innate spirituality that we all have and I think

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if we look I believe if we look at Sasquatch

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or Bigfoot from that perspective, I think we'll gain a

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much more grateful understanding of who that person is and

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what their role is.

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Norman, do you think some of that becomes unlocked as

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we have certain contact with things, or it is it's

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present from the very beginning.

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Well, there's a couple of things. One is they know

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who we are, just like us, my navel people.

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We have oral history that goes back centuries and those

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stories never change. And we're told that when you have

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a story is given to you, it must not change,

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and that if you modify that story, it loses its

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power in terms of its message and its healing properties.

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So I'm sure they have their own oral history, they

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have their own language from what I understand that, they

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have their own chants and songs and how they deal

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with the supernatural elements that is present in the natural world,

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just like Grandma, just like Grandpa. You know, they know

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that that connection.

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And I think that the value of.

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Understanding ourselves is really critical because we went to those

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satgetherings and usay on novel this past Spree and some

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novel elders spoke and they said.

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They already know who you are. They already know what

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kind of person you are. They already know what you're

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tent is, and that's why they tell us to have reverence,

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to have respect for them.

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And that was really a great, great thing to hear,

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because these elders have grow grow growing up in the forest.

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You know, they've they've dealt with them and many.

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Aspects, and there's places on now that a lot of

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elders won't speak of them, you know, they won't share

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that information.

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Big for society will be right back after these messages.

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And uh, then some elders are willing to share that.

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But getting back to your question, I think what's really

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critical is that in order for us to really honor

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them and and respect who they are, we should do

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the same for ourselves. There in a way, they're a reflection.

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They're trying to remind us, you know, the natural order

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of things that we are just a part of all this.

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That we do not own the land, We do not

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own the resources. Neither do they and it's it's really

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alarming because their area of land and where they live

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for centuries is being encroached upon and they really have

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nowhere to go. I mean, that's all they all they

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know is that area. Then they have to migrate, and

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then they meet other families, other tribes, and so there's

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this constant interaction that we are not aware of, this

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constant interaction with the natural elements that some of us

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can't even comfort or understand.

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There they're in a level.

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That is beyond the common quote unquote common person.

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So are you saying that sometimes they will maybe try

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to affect people, to get them to perhaps stand up

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for environmental areas that are under attack that could be

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used by them.

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I think from my understanding, from like I said, the

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stories and research that I've done on my own and

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talking with other tribes.

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Is that.

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They're not there to tell us what to do. It's

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like us telling them that what how to live their life.

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So it's incumbent upon each of us to try and

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grasp that that that sacredness of who they are. Because

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they do appear year out of nowhere, they do fade

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into the landscape. Numerous stories where they follow the tracks

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and all of a sudden those tracks stop, you know,

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so where do they go? So that's what I mean

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that there's another component to this and it's that that

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that unseen that that people might call them realms or

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they mentioned or you know, it's another place on this

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earth that gets the spiritual people understand and know. So

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that's where they're at on that level.

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Then on the.

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Human level, it seems like they're pretty gentle with us.

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I mean, they have a lot of patience. There's a

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lot we can learn from them.

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But I think.

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What's really difficult is they've seen us progress as a people.

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To where are in action, where our.

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Relationship with the natural world has impacted them through mining,

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through different you know, how do I say, like, how

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how do you how do you destroy their lands, their

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water system, their their their hunting lifestyle, their plant lifestyle.

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You know how technology and greed for resources. You know

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how it's impacted their lives. And it's a really to

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a lot of data. People say it's a really critical,

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serious issue because what befalls them is you know, befalls

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us or vice versa. So we can't separate ourselves from them.

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And that's just from the stories I've heard and from

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the understanding that I have as a as a nave

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whole person.

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And so what something you said brings up an interesting

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thought as well in this question could be for either

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of you for for sure. So in my let's see,

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in my realm of you know, people talking about the

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weird things. There are certain areas of the US where

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it's thought that they could be called window areas or

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there's more things that are coming through. Is is that

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kind of what you're are there certain areas than that

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that they could be able to come through. You know,

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I don't know if you you know what I'm trying

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to say.

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I do. I do.

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This is something I strongly believe through all these years.

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So it's just like Sedona, the Bradshaw Ranch, the area

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where I live out by Pine Hill is you know,

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you can feel the sacredness the spirituality from the land there.

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And I think that my area that I called the

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Magic Forest, well just tell you, Oh, I've seen him twice,

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and this is the first time I've mentioned the second

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time out loud, other than to my brother here. The

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first time was about eight years ago. We had a

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lot of rain and it was beautiful. I mean it

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looked like Ireland, that really did. And I came home

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one day around three o'clock in the afternoon and it

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was raining and it was just sprinkling. It was beautiful.

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And I looked up straight up the land and there

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he was, and he had his arms out and he

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was covered in white fur and he had his arms

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out and he was looking up at the rain and

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he was loving it. And I'm pretty sure he knew

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I was there and I knew he was there. And

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then he laid down after about a minute or so,

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in the grass and then he just like a wave,

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he just kind of just peered into the forest the

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edge of the trees there. I mean, it was astounding.

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And then recently a couple of I have a gifting

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area in the Magic Forest where I leave his apple

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and oatmeal, cookies and things. And I went out to

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check and see if the apple was gone, which I

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usually do, is just part of my routine, and I

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pray out there and I looked up and I saw

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a young one. I saw a young one, eleven o'clock

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in the morning, standing behind a tree, and then he

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was just he peeked at me and then he was

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just gone in a flash. I mean, it was so

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My experiences have been primarily very positive experiences, and when

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I feel grateful and blessed to have. And you know,

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he does like little things, like he somewhere got the

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side of a bark box that says bark and left

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it about twenty feet away from where my dogs are,

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like she was communicating and I know they bark, and

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then you know, and gives a stone the math drawing

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another drawing of an arrow kind of I think he's

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trying to point me in a certain direction, maybe to

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come visit. I don't know. But when something happened the

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other day, there was a piece of charcoal, you know,

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sitting in a little white piece of paper, left in

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the middle of the magic forest where you know, he's

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left me things before. So I always say thank you,

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and I'm always very grateful. But I do believe that

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there are windows like portals, yes, and I've heard stories

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of them out there, but I'm not quite sure where.

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And you know, I would respect leaving that area very sacred,

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you know.

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Yeah, the idea of your question is all of North

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America is a portal. That's how a relationship has been

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over the centuries of ancient dances offering ceremonies. So there

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are all over North America, and they do evolve through

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some of those areas. It's hard to kind of explain,

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but real briefly, i'll share with you.

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When I was a little boy, I probably about nine

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years old.

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I'll be sixty five in March, so this was in

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the early sixties, and I had a dream of this

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this this being. It had long hair and it had eyes,

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and I saw his mouth and it was almost like

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a nightmare, and he was looking right at me. She

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or he was looking at that that that bean was

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looking at me, and in my dream I was looking

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at me. Were looking at each other, and I didn't

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know what it was in my dream. And I woke up,

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you know, really, and my heart was racing, and it

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was like a nightmare. And I didn't really tell anybody,

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but later on I told my mom what I dreamed about,

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and she just said, so, we'll just do a little

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prayer here for your dream, because that's what we do,

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we that negative ativity of dreams.

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We destroy it unless it's good.

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But anyway, then a couple of years later, they had

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that movie the what was that called a Story of

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Boggy Creek, and I saw that and I said, that's

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what I dreamed about. And that's when I realized that

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it was something special. Then in my teen years, I

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had another dream. My twenties, I had another dream, my

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thirties and forties. Those four decades, I had four dreams.

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And that's my my connection. And we were at the

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night before at we're at one of my sister's house

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and we me and my younger brother were drinking tea

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outside by fire. We're smoking our Indian tobacco and just

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talking about things, and you know, we retired in the

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next morning, I went out with my coffee to that

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fire and on top of the rock, I was left

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the gift and it was it was a rock and

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it wasn't there the night before, and.

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That gift that I still carry with me.

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And I showed it to traditional practitioners, I guess you

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might call the medicine people, and they told me that

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it was a gift and that you know, at some

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point that I might someday probably meet one or speak

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with them, or you know, meet them. And I know

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where they live up in the mountains here. I just

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know because I know where to go, and it's not

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time for me to go up there. But there is

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a connection, a deep spiritual connection that we've had with it.

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For centuries.

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And you know what else is interesting I think too, Jeremiah,

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is when I first moved to when we first bought

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the land out there by Pine Hill, and rama that

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when things first started happening, I'd go, you know, like

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to the store or the trading post and just make

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a joke, say hey, you know, you ever watched that

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Finding Bigfoot show? And people would just start opening up.

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I mean it was incredible. I'd say about eighty percent

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of the people I've met over these areas are small.

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Raymond's about four hundred people Pine Hill, I'm not sure

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how many, or maybe a thousand of the most, So

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they're not big areas. But I realized that the sightings

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were across the whole spectrum too. It was Mormons, it

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was Navajo, it was military that live out there, ex

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military one was it general? Wasn't she or something? We

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saw her when doctor Melverum came out. So that the

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experiences or events as I like to call them, sometimes

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really ran the gamut of just you know, there was

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really no just one group. And so I realized that,

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you know, this is all these people are not hallucinating.

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You know, they're seeing something real, and you know, so

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that's and also when I started the Facebook group, I

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really wanted it to be for people who had PTSD.

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I call it bigfoot PTSD, you know, who didn't have

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a good experience. I mean that were scared and traumatized.

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And I know some very conservative Mormon women who are elders,

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and man, they can hardly even just they can't even

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really talk about it, so upsetting. So I know that

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different people have different different stories, different truths, truths, and

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I think that I just wanted to provide a place

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where people would be protected and safe, they could learn more,

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they could speak if they wanted to. And you know,

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so my group and our group ends up being a

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little bit quieter because the people often don't want to

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mention him because of it's like calling him out right.

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It's like if if you mention him, it can make

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him appear right. Isn't that true? Norman? Yeah, yeah, So

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I'm very respectful of that, and I want to protect

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the group as much as I want to protect the land,

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you know. So, but it was really interesting to have

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so many people say, you know, what happened to me?

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And I don't know if it's because where I grew

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up in the ad around AX. You know, it's always

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kind of an environmental as Stephen as a young kid,

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like you know, stinging ray bicycles with my best friends.

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We were always trying to stop people from hurting trees

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out in the at around X and you know. And

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so I think I've always been environmentally attached to the earth,

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and I think that's grown over the years and anyway,

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so that might be one reason why he decided to

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communicate with me.

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Now, Jenny, when you talk to these people that have

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also had sightings or encounters, are they describing what they

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have seen similar to what you've experienced as well?

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No, some people it's it's at night. And one lady

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almost ran into him in downtown rama, which is there's

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not even a street fight.

457
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Big for society will be right back after these messages, okay.

458
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.119
One of the reasons I love it. And he came

459
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.319
out of nowhere and just banged on the hood of

460
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.880
her car and stood right there like and you know,

461
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.519
so and so those are some of the things that

462
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.880
I've heard. I talked to an ole man. He was

463
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.039
an elder, and he told me that, you know, in

464
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.359
their house, he would come stand by the window in

465
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.839
their house and look at them, he and his brothers

466
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.319
in their bedroom and you know, so they always knew

467
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:54.839
he was there. And but mine have been I mean,

468
00:31:54.880 --> 00:32:00.359
nobody's really shared anything around me that is like mine

469
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.319
where I've really worked on that communication factor, and you know,

470
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.720
it's been a blessing, really has been. And he does

471
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.279
hear us. I know that because I collect pez and

472
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.079
he left me a pez head is a gift. It's

473
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.400
an old Pez too, of all the bear from Chuck E.

474
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.359
Cheese's I can't think of the name. He left it

475
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.880
for me. And I knew that he could. You know

476
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.200
that I collect Pez. I knew he knew that. And

477
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.279
you know, that's been very interesting and you know, I

478
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.359
look forward to further communication with him. Now.

479
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.559
The communication that you have, how does that usually take place.

480
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:53.359
At night? At night? He will come at night and

481
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:59.039
he'll leave something at night and it's there in the morning,

482
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.319
and I just it's like that switch again, you know.

483
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:05.799
I mean, I have no neighbors. You know, I'm in

484
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.440
the middle of ten acres and we it's very off

485
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.799
the grid area, and you know, so I know somebody's

486
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.880
not going, they're going and there it's happening in the

487
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:18.680
magic for us too, where all those pinon trees are,

488
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.880
that's where a lot of this happens. So there might

489
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.759
be a portal or a window there, because I have

490
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:31.799
found sometimes only one print in there, and they're smaller,

491
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.240
so I've thought maybe there's a nursery. Younger ones are

492
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:42.160
coming through there, you know, smaller ones when they when

493
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.720
they manifest. But it's you know, it's really interesting, and

494
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.400
I share everything with Norman right away. I call him

495
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.640
and tell them if anything new has occurred.

496
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.799
You know, I wanted to talk to you for a

497
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.079
minute about your freezing episodes. How long did those last

498
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:00.759
for when it occurred?

499
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:09.280
You know, that's a really good question. I think it

500
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.320
only seemed like it only seemed like a couple of minutes.

501
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.920
But the time with the howl outside the house that

502
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:24.880
I thought went on for about five minutes. And the

503
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.400
one or the ones I had when I was out

504
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:33.360
hiking walking my land, those seemed shorter. But I wonder

505
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:37.239
if I lost any time. I hadn't really thought about that.

506
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:46.039
I've I've experienced one of those in the woods in Oregon.

507
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:49.239
This last it was in July, and it was about

508
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.079
five minutes long. I couldn't move out of my chair.

509
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.880
It was it was very very strange. It's you just feel,

510
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.639
you feel powerless. You're completely aware of what's going on,

511
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.320
but yes you ca and even tell anyone, hey, I

512
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:02.920
can't move.

513
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.039
It's like sleep paralysis.

514
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.920
But you are, you're walking or yeah, right, because I

515
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.440
had sleep paralysis the first couple of years when i'd

516
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.119
stay at the land in the summer and you know,

517
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:17.800
and that's.

518
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.360
The exact feeling. It's it's like you're powerless and you

519
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.920
can't move even though you want to, you can't. It's

520
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.880
very interesting. Wow, five minutes. Yeah, that's kind of when

521
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.000
I think the one in the house when the when

522
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.960
the screen happened was about five minutes. And for the

523
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.400
dogs too, I mean we kind of all came out

524
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:39.360
of it together.

525
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.559
So that the dogs couldn't move either.

526
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.159
No, they were frozen. They sleep with me, so they

527
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.880
were all right there. They all woke up, they heard it.

528
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:56.400
They didn't bark, they just all froze. You know. It's

529
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:57.280
really interesting.

530
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.320
Is that Is that something that's commonly reported in your

531
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.840
area guys, where you know, people will all of a

532
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.079
sudden not be able to move.

533
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:08.039
I don't know.

534
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:11.079
I'd have to ask from that gathering I went to.

535
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.960
No one spoke of that, and there was numerous people

536
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.320
that shared from different parts of Navo that came to

537
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.840
this gathering at the base of the Lakatric guy Shaska Mountains.

538
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:29.079
This was during the summer, and I don't none of

539
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:29.960
no one.

540
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:30.400
Spoke of that.

541
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.760
It's really interesting. I'm going to have to do, you know,

542
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:38.119
do some research on that.

543
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.400
One thing I'd like to share is, okay, when I

544
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.920
were told when you go into the mountains, or when

545
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.840
you go to anywhere in nature where there's the desert,

546
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.159
the mountains or the canyons, that before you go upon

547
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:03.000
your journey or your hike or whatever, is to do

548
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:07.639
an offering of some sort, whether it's a prayer or

549
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.920
leaving something, or it's an acknowledgement that the space that

550
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.920
you're going into belongs to someone else, that you're only

551
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:25.320
there to experience the greatness of that area. And people

552
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.360
don't realize that. It's like a ripple effect in that

553
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:35.119
other realm or that dimension or that many of us

554
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:40.280
aren't aware of. So when you do that, it reverberates

555
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:46.239
all across that area, and these plants and trees they're alive,

556
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:51.840
you know, the animals, the birds. There's a deep understanding

557
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:57.440
there of each other's roles. And our role as indigenous

558
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:02.920
people is to you those elements through our prayers and

559
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:08.679
songs and to get to give offerings of thankfulness. And

560
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.280
that's been our role since the beginning of time, is

561
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.199
that as indigenous people, we are giving you these ceremonies

562
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.719
to acknowledge nature, to acknowledge the elements you know, and

563
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.639
and when you cease to do that, you know, the

564
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.360
climate changes, the things, things change. So it seems to

565
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.079
be that in our novel teachings from many of the elders,

566
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.079
they say that the weather's reflection of us is that

567
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.800
we're not doing our our part in honoring those those elements,

568
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.280
those realms or those people call them dimensions. But you know,

569
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.280
there is that element there that is unseen, that is real.

570
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.119
That's where the healing comes from from that space, that's

571
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:03.519
where the energy comes from. The sacredness of the elements

572
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:08.480
of life in different forms. We connect with them through

573
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.559
vibration of our songs and our chants, and we vibrates back.

574
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:21.800
So there's this natural process that the majority of mankind

575
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:26.920
has lost. And as we continue to lose it, that

576
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:32.639
element of our connection to that divine space, then we

577
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.280
have the situation that we have now, you know, the weather,

578
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.519
political strife, and things happening all over the world, the

579
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.960
wars and the suffering and the hardships, and that's what

580
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.679
our elders tell us. So that when you go into

581
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:56.840
these spaces, campy it or whatever, you do that and

582
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:57.480
whatever that.

583
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.599
Whatever there will acknowledge that.

584
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.679
So it's like, if you look at all these big

585
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:11.199
Foot movies, there's these extreme violence, like these are just

586
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:17.039
like really ruthless monsters that you know, I've never seen

587
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.119
a Bigfoot movie where it shows the beauty of really

588
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:26.800
what their role is on this earth, in this natural world.

589
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.119
You know, it's always from a negative Western perspective that

590
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.800
what you don't understand is a monster, you know, and

591
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.920
it's reflected in the writing and you know, the misconceptions

592
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.840
of what this being is in you know, of course

593
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:48.400
there's violence. You know, look look look look at who

594
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:52.679
we are as you know, look at humanity, Look look

595
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.079
at how we've lost ourselves, you know, And I would

596
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:03.000
just encourage more of the positive aspects of what this

597
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:08.199
being is instead of the you know, the horrific horror

598
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.800
stories and it might be true, you know. And some

599
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:18.920
of these different podcasts I've listened, they're written, and how

600
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.199
much are true? How much of those that are rant

601
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.519
and these podcasts are true? And it kind of makes

602
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.119
me think about that. But is somebody just being a

603
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.559
great creative writer or is it real?

604
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.039
Yeah, even today, you don't even have to be a

605
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.480
creative writer. You can just you could just have AI

606
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.920
do it. I mean, that's why I talked to actual people.

607
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:45.039
You know.

608
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:48.199
Yeah, that's awesome, that's awesome.

609
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.639
We had so many experiences out here. I think it

610
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:58.519
was when did Doctor Melbourne come twenty sixteen? Norman was

611
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.440
there and it was probably a couple hundred people and

612
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.719
came out to Elmorro, which is I don't know, maybe

613
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.559
got a population of one hundred and fifty, you know,

614
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.599
but there had been so many sightings and events occurring

615
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.639
that he came out and you know, that was really

616
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:18.840
that was really something. They were trying to make a

617
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.840
movie too about it, a documentary, but that fell through,

618
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:25.960
you know, so people are willing to talk about it

619
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.840
and share their experiences. I think my first experience was

620
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.480
up in the ad around Deck Mountains, actually, when I

621
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:37.199
was about twenty twenty years old, a group of us

622
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.320
I was going to community college up there, and a

623
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.719
bunch of us were going hiking up in the ad

624
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.599
around ACKs and we decided to spend the night. We

625
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.800
brought a tent and they were like five of us,

626
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:50.800
and we were all in there, you know, getting ready

627
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.239
to go to sleep. We had we had put our

628
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.159
tent up. There was no one else around, no one else,

629
00:42:57.880 --> 00:42:59.559
and in the middle of the night, I don't know

630
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:04.039
what were grabbed the tent and shook it, shook it

631
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.320
and it wasn't a bear because nothing was ripped, and

632
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.559
we didn't hear anything like that. And I think that

633
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.360
was my first real experience. And I know around that

634
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.400
Bigfoot John. There are a lot of things going on

635
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.760
in upstate New York as far as sightings are concerned.

636
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.679
I think what's really would be really awesome is you've

637
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:32.599
had these Senate hearings on the UFO phenomenon, right, the

638
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.840
undentified aerial phenomenon, you know, UAPs and UFOs, and how

639
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:41.679
the Senate came together and they had these whistleblowers. I

640
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:47.280
think that that would be an incredible idea, is how

641
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:53.159
could we formulate a movement to have Congress in.

642
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:54.639
Itself look into this.

643
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.400
From what I understand and a lot of the research

644
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.159
that I've done is that the military you know, has

645
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.880
has taken captives.

646
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.079
You know, there's there's there's.

647
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:14.639
Trends that have been wiped out, and so what do

648
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:15.159
they have?

649
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.039
What do the museums have, you know?

650
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.159
And and that would be something to look into, a

651
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:27.320
mass movement to see what the government has and how

652
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.760
they view this and what are they doing. Are they

653
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.000
torturing you know, people are up in arms about perfume,

654
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:39.719
you know, and and how animals are utilized, you know,

655
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:41.000
so are.

656
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.000
They doing the same thing?

657
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:43.800
Is it real?

658
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:44.880
I believe so?

659
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:48.559
And they have every right to be on this earth

660
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.159
that anybody else that came upon this land, you know.

661
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.639
So I think that would be something to look at.

662
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.079
Is that a real process that you know Congress could

663
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:04.920
look at?

664
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:09.440
Well? It Actually this is pretty timely because just the

665
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.679
two days ago there was a task force launched on

666
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:18.199
Capitol Hill, the Task Force on the to Classification of

667
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:23.679
Federal Secrets, and they're mainly looking into JFK, RFK all

668
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.559
the up things. But like now is the time when

669
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:32.960
if people can call Representative Luna's office House Oversight Chair

670
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.800
Committee James Comer from Kentucky and be like, hey, we

671
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.599
need to put Bigfoot in there too, Guys, Big for

672
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:58.679
Society will be right back after these messages. Just release

673
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.159
the documents, you know, if there's anything to release, now

674
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.840
is the time. This is a time where we could

675
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:05.719
get stuff out there.

676
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:12.679
Absolutely, and I and I think that the the representation

677
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.599
of how that's presented must come.

678
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:16.760
From Indigenous people.

679
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:19.559
Yeah, because it's.

680
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.280
Inherent in our in our in our stories and in

681
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.679
our in our traditions and our culture. And you know,

682
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.880
you can't ask I mean, you can't do it without

683
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.119
the Indigenous people. You know, they got to be up forefront.

684
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.320
And that would be all I asked of that and

685
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.039
that if that, you know, if that's the direction everybody

686
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.840
wants to go regarding Bigfoot with Congress.

687
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.000
That's that's a very interesting point. Yeah, I'm glad you

688
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:50.000
brought that up. Mmm, it would make sense that that

689
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.320
was definitely involved, that they were involved.

690
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.920
Yeah, absolutely.

691
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:56.719
Yeah.

692
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.480
I've learned so much from my brother from Norman when

693
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.039
we made the movie. You know, especially I've always kind

694
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.719
of done prayer on you know, kind of on my own.

695
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:13.400
But I saw how important praying before you go out

696
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:17.199
and do something on the land, you know, especially if

697
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.719
we were making a movie, so you know, to honor

698
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:25.599
the land, to honor the ancestors, to honor nature, and

699
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.199
say we're here to help, We're not here to hurt.

700
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.559
And I think that just grew when that's one of

701
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.159
the things I do every day out in the Magic Forest.

702
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.360
I mean, I do Navajo prayer. I do prayer from

703
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:41.960
just my heart, you know. I say thank you to

704
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.679
the universe, the creator. But those are that's something I

705
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.840
do a couple of times every day at least, because

706
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.400
I'm thankful for the land. I'm thankful for it. I

707
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.039
can I can feel it, you know. When we were

708
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:57.360
making our movie, I was bringing one of the people

709
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:01.920
in the film, Damon Watahmaji, who have a suphie, back

710
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:04.559
to the edge of the Grand Canyon so he could

711
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.480
get back down into the village's supie. We were coming

712
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.280
back from a film festival, and I've never experienced anything

713
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.840
like this in my whole life. It's about an hour

714
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.519
from Route sixty six out to the edge of the canyon,

715
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:23.239
and we were driving and we got so quiet. No

716
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.519
one was drinking, no one was doing anything, and I

717
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.599
felt like I could hear all the trees. I could

718
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.840
hear them, and I felt like my jeep was going

719
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.000
to take off, you know. And I said to Damon,

720
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.159
I said, man, I can hear the trees. And he

721
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.559
just turned around and smiled at me, like I've been

722
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.599
hearing the trees my whole life. You know, I'm glad

723
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:51.039
you're finally listening to them. You can finally hear them.

724
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:55.840
So Norman says that they communicate the plants and the

725
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:59.480
trees and our mother. I mean, I really believe that,

726
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.960
you know, on my own, my own truth, my own experiences,

727
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:08.280
and you know, and and taking an offering. I shared

728
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:11.039
with that around that Bigfoot with John. You know, when

729
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:16.599
you go out and do an investigation, take apples with you,

730
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.800
leave apples. You know, he'll respect that. He'll know because

731
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.400
you've got a good heart, He'll know that.

732
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:27.840
And you know, so you have a you have a

733
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:31.360
world you have a Western worldview, you have a Western

734
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:42.000
scientific worldview. You have a different worldview of what indigenous

735
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:48.599
societies have embraced in their culture. I guess what I'm

736
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:52.079
what I'm saying is that over the years I've heard

737
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:57.599
this phrase woo, right, and if you're if you the

738
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:03.519
truth of it is, this whole concept of life and

739
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:08.519
this whole idea of the natural world is woo woo.

740
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.159
I mean that that's there, there's a there's.

741
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:13.880
An element there.

742
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:18.280
And when you have the Western thought, the Western concept

743
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:24.039
of no connection or of idea of what that energy is,

744
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:25.440
then fear.

745
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:27.480
Comes into it. Misconceptions come into this.

746
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:33.280
Historically, if you look at Western society, it's always about

747
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:37.840
dominance of resource, dominance of water, of land in some

748
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.679
words that you might call it greed, you know. And

749
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:48.199
and the idea is that when you come from that perspective,

750
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:54.840
things that you don't understand, you fear. Hence the movies,

751
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:01.480
hence you know, different experiences regarding bigfoots. So I think,

752
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.400
I guess, I guess. What I'm trying to say is

753
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.360
that there's a way to communicate, and it doesn't have

754
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:11.840
to be like a big ritual or a big ceremony,

755
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:17.199
or it's just a really simple understanding that I respect you,

756
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.079
I respect the slam, and I'm only here to heal

757
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:23.639
myself to be a part of this.

758
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.519
I have a right to this land, you know, and

759
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.559
it is presented that way, you'll be okay.

760
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.280
But if you go in there with an attitude, then

761
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:40.480
of course you know, there's gonna be consequences. And that's

762
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:45.239
why our elders say tread lightly, you know, because there's

763
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.320
things out there in nature that we don't understand.

764
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:55.559
Is that the sorry is that the equivalent of when

765
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:59.360
people say, be careful what you wish for?

766
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.920
Oh? Totally yeah, totally yeah.

767
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.000
What we're told is that our thoughts and our words

768
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:15.559
manifest automatically instantly goes into the universe. That's why Grandma

769
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.400
always says, hey, szamb be careful what you say, be

770
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:24.880
careful what you think, because it manifests itself instantly.

771
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.440
So that's what balances.

772
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:32.000
And if you look at the natural world, they all

773
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.760
have their own roles. The trees have their roles, the plants,

774
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:42.840
the butterflies, the bees, you know, the birds, and but humanity,

775
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:48.199
as you know, we've we we failed in our role

776
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.599
to be a part of this. So I think it's

777
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.800
how you look at the world. How do you see it?

778
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:59.360
Are you a part of it or are you disconnected

779
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.199
from it? Or how do you connect with it? It's

780
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:05.519
real simple. You just go out to where you're going

781
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.280
and you acknowledge nature for what it is. Some people

782
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.840
call it. There's that word God, you know, it's like

783
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.800
God is in every element of the natural world. We

784
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.639
are God, or we are the Great Spirit, or we

785
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.519
are that holy light each of us. So from a

786
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:33.880
Western perspective, someone will probably never ever get it. But

787
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.000
if you're raised in that consciousness, then everything becomes clear,

788
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:44.280
everything becomes real. And that's been what's been happening, we

789
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.400
believe native people all across the world is we've lost

790
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.360
our connection to ourselves through our connection through the natural

791
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:54.920
world because that's the real world, you know, That's how

792
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:59.599
it was. And I'm not saying that technology can't be a.

793
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.679
Part of it. Yeah, that world is technology.

794
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:08.840
You know, the lasers and you know all the but

795
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:13.440
the technology were it as matter itself.

796
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.000
Physically.

797
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:21.039
We've connected that spiritually, energetic, energetically wise, yeah, energetic wise.

798
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.840
So there is that element that I think people should

799
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:31.159
be aware of. And it is real, and it is healium,

800
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.880
and it is miraculous and it is very very powerful.

801
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:43.679
No, it absolutely is. And like you'd mentioned the I wish,

802
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:48.239
you know that the community would just stop referring to

803
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.679
the woo woo stuff and just like go out there

804
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.400
and like connect with stuff. Again, Man, I don't drink

805
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.599
or smoke or any of that stuff. And I experienced

806
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.920
some of the weirdest things I've ever experienced out in Oregon.

807
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:04.599
We were out in the woods and there was like

808
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.440
there's this young woman that goes out there, and when

809
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:13.039
she goes out to this area, they start communicating with

810
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:18.119
her in fake bird noises, and like I watched them

811
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:21.920
go back and forth, and it was the It was incredible.

812
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.079
I've never experienced anything else like it.

813
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:24.920
Guys.

814
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.559
Wow, I think we could do that if we discipline

815
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.239
ourselves and if we put ourselves in that state we

816
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:38.000
were born that way, and or I guess over a

817
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.360
lifetime we've kind of forgotten about that, that that space,

818
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:49.079
that that energetic you know, the unseen energy that premiates

819
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.760
itself all over the world in its special form. Yeah,

820
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:54.840
I believe that we can each do that.

821
00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:59.079
I want to make sure that we have time to

822
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:02.199
go over the films that you have made, how people

823
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.760
can can check those out in the documentaries that you've

824
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.440
been part of. If that's possible.

825
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.039
Oh, sure, I'll let Norman go first, because he was

826
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.079
the town, I'll put poison win.

827
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:19.679
I've been a filmmaker since late in eighty nine, and

828
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.480
all my short films have been in the Navel language.

829
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.519
Back in the.

830
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.960
Nineties early nineties, both of my films were the first

831
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:33.840
Indigenous language films ever at the Sundance Film Festival.

832
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:36.840
One was called Awakening and the other one was called

833
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:37.480
a Horse Song.

834
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.280
And over the years, I've dedicated my life to utilizing

835
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:49.159
the you know, the camera to create stories that reflect

836
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:53.400
our history, that reflect the values of our people. In

837
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:58.679
terms of creative films that help our people understand, you know,

838
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.840
the natural world and the importance of our culture. I've

839
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.800
also worked with the Novel Nation developing a Novel language

840
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:12.800
drama festival. And I'm also an actor. I'm really blessed

841
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.559
to have a really great agent, so I've auditions and

842
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:22.039
I've done some substantial roles, some supportive roles, and some

843
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.760
major films which I'm proud of. But the thing i

844
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:34.920
want to share is that once we share stories, it

845
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.519
can teach and it can heal, and I think that's

846
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:45.159
the value of storytellers. We need more storytellers, and we

847
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:52.119
need these stories to present themselves how humanity is what humanity.

848
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:56.159
We're at who we were before, who we are now,

849
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:57.559
and what we can become.

850
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.719
I think that's really critical in terms of our stories.

851
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:04.480
There's a lot I call them trash movies, you know,

852
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.840
in Hollywood, but then there are some really good, good,

853
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.079
good films. And I just encourage everyone, as myself, as

854
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:18.119
a screenwriter and as a storyteller, is that we promote

855
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:22.400
the goodness of humanity that our elders call us good

856
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:26.760
lash light, I mean, five fingered being. And it doesn't

857
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:33.880
matter we're from Africa, South America, Russia, China, Asia, you know,

858
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:39.519
we're all five fingered people and we all, you know,

859
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:44.480
are living this experience. And I think once we understand

860
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.800
each other's experience. I know it's like a cliche, but

861
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:54.159
I think that's really important that as writers, directors, actors, poets,

862
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:58.239
you know, storytellers, that we continue to reflect on the

863
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.880
richnesses of who we are as humanity and how we're

864
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:05.400
intertwined with each other and how we need to help

865
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.440
each other, especially during these times right now. We do

866
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.599
have the ability to make this world a better place.

867
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.079
And I'll just share one last thing as we all

868
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:21.880
got together as a indigenous activists, all across now that

869
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.400
we came together and we had a big old at

870
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:29.039
ancient ceremony, and there were some medicine people there, and

871
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.599
a lot of these medicine people indigenous societies all over

872
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.519
the world. You know, they have this direct link with

873
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.840
the with the unknown or unseen, you know, and they

874
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:47.199
divine information. Some might call them psychics, some might call

875
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:53.960
them truth seers, these medicine people. During our prayer, and

876
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:57.760
other says, I was just told that, you know, we're

877
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:01.599
in a really horrific place in humanity tea and one

878
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.679
of the one of the young women, says, hey, grandpa,

879
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.079
what do we do? Is there a ceremony? Is there

880
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.440
a prayers? You know, how can we fix this? The

881
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.239
world is going crazy, you know, the tsunomies and the

882
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.280
earthquakes and the fires.

883
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:17.800
And then the.

884
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:21.239
Medicine man sits there for a while he goes, well,

885
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:28.400
this is what I'm told. It's too late. There's no ceremony.

886
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:33.239
There's nothing that's going to stop where we're going and

887
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:36.920
where we're going now, what I'm told is that it's

888
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:41.000
going to be a purification and no matter what we do,

889
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.480
there's nothing we can do to stop this turmoil on Earth.

890
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:50.840
Then he says, but there's one thing.

891
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.880
That it's not up to the gods or to the

892
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:59.920
holy people. It's up to humanity. Is that what our

893
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.639
I was just told was that in order for us

894
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:12.119
to fix where we're at, the sauy state of humanity,

895
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:16.360
the wars and the pestilence and starvation, you know, the

896
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.440
raping of Mother Earth, the lands, the resources, the water,

897
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:26.599
the pollution. He said, what I was just told, he said,

898
01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:36.119
was that humanity must come together consciously, and that's the

899
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:42.320
only way that we can change this. And that's just

900
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:46.400
a message to your viewers, to the world, is that

901
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:47.760
we do have the ability.

902
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:50.719
But can we do that?

903
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.880
You know, can we unite the whole world and one

904
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.079
consciousness to create this change that.

905
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:01.079
Is needed.

906
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:06.119
I used to have a day dream when we were

907
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.360
making the movie because the Grand Canyon played such a

908
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:14.760
significant role in the film, and there's I had no idea,

909
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.360
even though I was living in Arizona for a long

910
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.320
time that Uranian mining was going on in the Grand Canyon,

911
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:25.199
and it was in the Colorado River, and people not

912
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.440
only in the village to Soupy, but you know, the

913
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:32.000
Colorado goes all the way to California, so you know,

914
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.679
crops things get watered with it. And so anyway, I

915
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.199
used to have this day dream where people would come

916
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:43.079
from all over the world and there'd be so many

917
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.800
people that they could hold hands around the top of

918
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:52.400
the Grand Canyon in a act to save it because

919
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.559
so many people come there and love it. You know.

920
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:56.440
Every time I've been to the Grand Canyon and there

921
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.920
people from all over the world there, and I thought,

922
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:01.800
I wouldn't it be great if we could just get

923
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:05.079
thousands of people all there camping out at the same

924
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:08.880
time and all joined hands to protect her. So that

925
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:11.920
was kind of you know, it needs to be a

926
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:16.440
show of humanity like that on that par I think.

927
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:21.519
But yeah, we made Poison Wind, which was about uranium

928
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:25.360
mining on the indigenous lens of the Southwest. I was

929
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.480
down in the Grand Canyon with my husband for his birthday,

930
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:33.440
and I felt like I was standing in the middle

931
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:36.679
of a beautiful circle. I'd never felt that before, and

932
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:39.199
I looked down at my feet and when I looked up,

933
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:43.039
there was a man from the tribe and he asked me.

934
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.159
He said what do you do? And I said, you

935
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.320
mean for a living? He said yes, I said, well,

936
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:51.679
if I'm lucky. I've worked in film and TV, and

937
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:55.079
he said, do you know they're uranium mining here? And

938
01:03:55.599 --> 01:04:00.519
I just we took the helicopter out and I started

939
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:05.519
calling people and people I knew knew Norman and it

940
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:09.719
was just this domino effect, this chain reaction, and people

941
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:13.760
wanted to get music for free. We had a college,

942
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:18.159
the University of Advancing Technology, gave us all the editing

943
01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:22.639
boos for free. And you know it just so poison

944
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:26.639
Win was financed by my husband, but at the same time,

945
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.760
we never charged for it, and it's free on YouTube,

946
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:35.639
and you know it just And what's interesting too is

947
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:40.519
I had been in a film. I had been at

948
01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:46.079
the film festival years before with Norman and some of

949
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.719
the people who were later involved in my film, and

950
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:52.599
didn't meet them at the film festival. It was in

951
01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:56.840
Scottsdale that all these people I kept meeting Tom Goldtooth

952
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:02.719
had you know, all these people I'd actually been made

953
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:04.920
aware of years ago, and then all of a sudden

954
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.280
I was meeting them and it ended up being a

955
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.760
wonderful journey. I mean, were very grateful to have done

956
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:13.320
that together.

957
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:19.559
That's fantastic. I'm going to have definite links to that,

958
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.079
which so people can check that out on YouTube. It

959
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:26.360
sounds like just like a very educational film that people

960
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:27.360
need to be aware.

961
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:35.480
We were chased twice by helicopters. And then remember when

962
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:38.719
we were filming over in Grants and those federal marshals.

963
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:43.679
We were doing a Mani Pino from Athema Pueblo, and

964
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:48.159
these Federal marshals came out of nowhere and jumped out

965
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.480
of their trucks with badges and guns and wanted to

966
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:53.199
know what the heck we were doing. And were right

967
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.079
at the base of Mount Taylor, which is one of

968
01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:00.199
the four sacred Mountains of Navajo Nation, and I at

969
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.119
the base of uranium mine there, and you know, and

970
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:06.039
it ended up it got diffused, But for a minute

971
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.840
there it was a little scary. You put on your

972
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:09.480
war bonnet.

973
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:14.159
Wow, oh man. Yeah, we got to check that out

974
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:14.679
for sure.

975
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:19.519
Thank you, Thank you. We went over twenty film festivals

976
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:22.760
around the world and we won two awards in Europe,

977
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:27.360
in Wales and in England for Poison Wind.

978
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:30.559
I also like to.

979
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:37.199
Say thank you because I think it's really important that.

980
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:39.920
This being.

981
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:46.159
That we're talking about is really reflective of our times

982
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:52.760
and what do I mean by that, Well, if you

983
01:06:52.800 --> 01:07:00.920
look at where we are as humanity and how we've

984
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:07.360
impacted the weather all over the world, and I think

985
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:14.639
you can't separate Sasquatch and bigfoot from that issue. They're

986
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:21.679
an example of how they continue their process and their

987
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:26.079
role in the natural world. As I've said earlier, you know,

988
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:31.239
we're told that they're herbalists. Their master herbalists help other animals,

989
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:33.679
They help heal the land.

990
01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.280
You know, they they're there.

991
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:40.679
I don't know how to say it, but trying to

992
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:46.920
translated from a navel language perspective into English, it's it's

993
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:49.719
kind of like two different things. But I guess what

994
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:52.440
I'm trying to say is that they represent the natural

995
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:55.599
order of things. They represent the natural, the natural world,

996
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.119
and the natural laws because of their essence of.

997
01:07:59.079 --> 01:07:59.719
Who they are.

998
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:05.480
You know, like I said before, Western ideas, Western concepts

999
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:12.000
of science, it, Western education removes ourselves from that natural

1000
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:17.800
element that we all possess in communicating with nature and

1001
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:20.640
the natural world. So to me, that would be my

1002
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.640
message is that we've got to be more conscious, we've

1003
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:30.520
got to be more active preserving the lands and preserving

1004
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.880
the goodness of who we are. And translating that goodness

1005
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:38.680
into good words and actions for each other because we're

1006
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:42.279
in a we're not in a good place. You know.

1007
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:44.560
There's a lot of hate and anger everywhere.

1008
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:52.119
And as I was saying, he's a messenger. He's telling us, look,

1009
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:59.479
you guys need to fix this because if you don't,

1010
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.319
you're to be gone. But I'll still be here. The

1011
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:06.840
land will still be here, you know. So that's what

1012
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:12.720
I'd like to share from all the stories, the knowledge

1013
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:18.039
I've gained regarding this, this being this person, and you're

1014
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:21.399
right about the herbalist, because that's what the charcoal was

1015
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:22.840
he was leaving me.

1016
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:26.239
So today I'm going to go get some charcoal. Right,

1017
01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:29.520
I've been having you know, I'm doing really well, but

1018
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:32.079
you know, once in a while, I have stomach issues.

1019
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:37.000
He knew that, that's why he left charcoal. I just

1020
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:44.279
realized that. Oh wow, yeah, I just realized that. Okay,

1021
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:49.800
So yeah, off to wall. Yeah, there is a.

1022
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:52.079
Connection there.

1023
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:59.199
There is an element there and unseeing energy that people

1024
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:02.960
will already care, people will laugh laugh about people that

1025
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:08.319
do not understand until they understand, and they'll be able to

1026
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:10.920
communicate with this being.

1027
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:18.239
Absolutely m Jenny Norman. It has been just a privilege

1028
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:20.880
to have you both on the show today. Thank you

1029
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:25.359
for coming on and for sharing what you've learned over

1030
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:29.000
the years and what you've experienced. It's greatly appreciated.

1031
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:34.600
Thank you, Jeremia. We really appreciate it, appreciate being on

1032
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.239
with you today and anytime, and we're just really I'm

1033
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:42.199
really thrilled that Norman was here today so he could

1034
01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:42.960
be here as well.

1035
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:47.640
Yeah, I'm really thankful of your work. I know you're

1036
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.439
coming from a good place and I know that you

1037
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:57.159
mean well and that by doing this, you're educating You're

1038
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.359
you're educating us and you're teaching us, and that's what

1039
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:02.640
we're all supposed to do with each other, help each other,

1040
01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:06.279
and your podcast is representative of that. I checked out

1041
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:09.399
your different subject matter and your so I did a

1042
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.239
little bit of research that I thought, wow, this is cool. Yeah,

1043
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:14.640
I'd like I'd be honored to be on the Bigfoot

1044
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:16.159
Society podcast.

1045
01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:20.159
Fantastic. Well, we will keep in touch, guys, and thank

1046
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:21.560
you again to both of you.

1047
01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:26.800
Thank you, Dear Maya, Okay, thank you Jermdel, Thank you guys.

1048
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:27.159
Bye.

1049
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.079
Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank

1050
01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:32.720
you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1051
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:36.399
Please take a minute to help out the show by

1052
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:40.039
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1053
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:43.600
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1055
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:49.880
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1056
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:54.159
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1057
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:57.359
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1058
01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:00.279
had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know

1059
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:04.520
someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

1060
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:08.000
Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

1061
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:13.640
Here's a list the Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

1062
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:19.319
McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

1063
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:23.159
the north part. If you get what I mean, I'll

1064
01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:26.680
see you back next time. Listeners. SASA Summerfest this year

1065
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:29.880
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1066
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.560
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1067
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:38.399
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1068
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1069
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1071
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