Grand Junction, Colorado Bigfoot Encounters

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big for Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Bron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode with a friend. Does not cost a thing and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes and Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show. Hey, real quick, this is a disclaimer before this episode as it does have adult themes in it, and as a parent, I want to make sure that if you are listening to this with your child and you don't want them to have the knowledge that they would have in high school health class, then this is not the episode for them. Again, you make the call yourselves, but I just want to make sure that parents were aware of what is coming up in this episode. Thank you all right, Big for Society, You got the privilege of talking to Dom. He's a lobster fisherman from Maine, and he contacted me about some really interesting things that he has experienced over the years.

1:25 But how's it going today, Dom, It's going good man. I'm really happy to be able to share the story and glad that everybody else does too. So thanks for giving it a platform and a voice. We all appreciate it. Thank you man. Oh absolutely, It's one of my highlights of the day is able to after the kid goes to bed, I be able to go into the recording studio and call up another person and get their story out there. So I appreciate you coming on from Maine. Very familiar. It's the same way for me. As soon as the kids asleep, then it's like time to to figure out what stories are out there, see if there's a new podcast on and I understand so absolutely, Dom Or you know what, I'm gonna give the reins over to you, and I'm gonna let you let you lead the way. Dom all right, man, thank you very much. My name is Dom. I am from Colorado, but I live in may I do a little bit of commercial logging. I also work on lobster boats. I'm always trying to be in the wilderness. But I had two experiences when I was living in Colorado that both of them wasn't just me there. I had somebody with me both times that saw the same thing. And the way people react to it is definitely different. But it was terrifying and it changed the way I looked at everything. And I see a lot of similarities hearing other people's stories. But I guess I'll just start

2:55 with my introduction to bigfoot in general. Living in Colorado, working in the woods, and playing around in the woods. People always talk about it, or somebody has a story here or there. And I had people who had passed by theories about what they thought these things were. And people'd say, maybe they're some interdimensional thing or something that was an experiment or didn't evolve, or I don't know myself. And I think most people go through a phase where they might be interested in those things if they live in a mountainous rural area. And I just I knew that there was always big things in the woods, and I was always out there. I worked in I grew up on a ranch and we were always working with cows, working as horses and always in the woods and always aware there's a lot of mountain lions, a lot of bear. Maybe not a lot of bear, but there's bear, and the brown bear can be nasty. But in a place like Colorado, there's definitely the area for something big like that to live. And I was surprised was when I really you know, when I lived in different parts of the state, I think that if I was bigfoot, maybe i'd live way up in the mountains. But where this hat, I guess, way there's some real wild places. But my first experience was when I was living in Grand Junction, Colorado. I used to go for drives with friends that had corvettes or whatever. We used to take one for one up towards Gateway, and it was a pretty fun canyon to drive up, and you can check out the stars because there's big canyon walls, no light pollution from anywhere,

4:30 and there's always a spot that we would go check out. A friend of mine showed me that was next to the road and it was in a field. We just topped the fence across the little creek and we'd walked those field in. It looked like a school desk, only it was made of concrete. It was a really strange thing, and we always contemplated on what this thing was, but it became a spot I always liked to check out, wanted to come back. It was just a way out there place that we could get alone. Nobody was there, and it was just a cool place to take a breath and take a walk away from society. And at this time, like I said, I was living in Grand Junction and I had a neighbor named Joe that was a friend of mine construction worker, and him and his wife got in a fight. So we decided to go for a drive and I said, I know a cool place to blow steam off.

5:19 Let's go check out this place up the canyon. So you're ripping up the canyon and finally got to this place and we hopped the fence and made it through the field and I literally said, here it is. I was about to say, here is this weird, strange desk. I was saying, it's in the middle of this field. I don't know what the hell is for, but sure is a cool spot. Was about to get those words out and I turned around and this roar came out of nowhere, and I was walking towards this desk and it was so dark he couldn't really see much. And my friend was wearing flip flops. Is just the thing he did when he got home from work. You put flip flops on all the time.

6:03 So I could hear his flip flops walking behind me. And this war came out. It just was it throws me and I could hear Joe's flip flops running out of the field back towards the car, and the sound and the war came at the same time. And I was turning around to look at this spot, and it was right there, just right in front of me, and I remember enough light to where I could see its head and the shape of his shoulders and its traps around his neck. I could see its muscles, and that was standing right next to me. Like there was all the senses at that point. You could sense something was there, you could smell it, you could hear it. And the sound that it made it sounded to me like like it like we surprised it, or it was angry that we were there, because it was such like a shout beyond into any range of any vocal capabilities. That I'm a metal head and I've never heard of anything like that. And I just as soon as I was making sense of everything and seeing its shape and how because I'm about six' one, you know, in boots, and this thing, I was looking above towards it, and I was looking up at it. It was a foot taller than me. I maybe that's a little maybe that's a little much, but I it was there. I was gone, and I just ran and we got to the car. We didn't say anything, and we drove down

7:34 the canyon and we didn't talk about it. You didn't want to talk about it or anything. And I wanted to know more so I obviously poked out and asked questions. But it was so frightening to just turn around and something just be there. I grew up around animals, being surprised by an animal, and you always can hear them or smell them, or see them or something, and even most things in a field wouldn't be that surprising, a cow or or anything. But this sound was just it was the only thing that I ever heard anything that sounded like it was those Sierra sounds, and it wasn't language or anything. It's like the thutter roll sounds like a just an octave that we just can't get to, like it changes from some octave that humans don't have to, like a shriek that we don't have, And just hearing those sounds, it just it gives me goosebumps every time I hear it, because it puts me right back in that spot. And it just terrified me and him, and I just was thankful to somebody else seen it with me. But I never really you know, i'd say something he or there, but it didn't. It scared us to death. But he had been around all kinds of animals and he had too, But that was really an intense situation. And just to think that something like that was out there, you always hope, but now I knew. I didn't know what else that could be. There's I hope around there, big horn sheet, and people have horses and cows. There's just nothing that could have been dom Do

9:05 you mind if I ask you a few questions about that? Oh? Yeah, go ahead, man. Were we able to get a good look at what the creature's face looked like. I couldn't see a like a profile of like a brow ridge or anything like that beyond what have been around the forehead because of the way that I was looking at it, so I couldn't see, you know, whether it had like a big nose or small nose, or human face or it was just there wasn't a lot of hair on it, but there was some around the face. But it really didn't have the kind of care that I thought that It would have surprised me. It was bald on top. It was. I know it sounds probably strange to say, but the more I picture it in my mind and think about it, I've thought about it a million times, but it just I really wish I could have because I would expect it to be to look human. I would think it just there's nothing that looks like that standing in the field like that, and it can make a sound like that. I don't know, but that was something standing up right and had a very large build. I'd been around big bodybuilders, and nothing was every bit as big as some of the biggest guys I've ever known. Anything that you remember about dimensions of the creature that seemed a little weird to you, or the way it moved or anything like that. I seen it. When I turned around and seen it, I just seen it barely move a shoulder and I would say, like when

10:35 I compare him to like a bodybuilder. I had a friend that he's like the world's largest bodybuilder. He's six nine and almost three hundred pounds. He was whiter in the shoulders than he is, and it it was he was huge. I would think that he would around seven feet. My friend Aaron that I'm talking about, he's a very large guy. I would think this thing is over three hundred pounds. Just the mask that it had, just saying, shoulders like that, in the traps, the muscles that I go to the neck. It was just it was big and you could see the muscle just when you see a horse or a cow and then they do have hair, but you can see that there's muscles, veins and stuff. It was very It just it it was huge. So try to put yourself back in that situation. Can you remember what emotions you were feeling inside when you had this actually in your sights and you were you realize what you were looking at. I when I seen and heard it, like the sound it made, I felt it in me. And I always say I just don't I'm not a flinch shirt, but I was frozen, like I could feel like vibrating in my body like it was such a it was almost like it had it was like moving air, and it was like I could feel the vibration and I could feel it in my chest, and it was just it was

12:07 terror. I was I didn't really think this thing's gonna kill me as much as I was just shocked that I that something was making this noise and it was standing in the middle of a field that nobody was supposed to be in, and then it was we were there and it I don't know. I just kept thinking that I surprised it and I just don't know how that would have been possible. I just don't from what I hear other people say about them. I just it was just I was in shock. I was just frozen, and it's I can just as soon as I turned around and ran, I just I remember getting to the barber fence, crossing it, getting in my friends the clips and feeling out and we were gone. I went from being frozen to just being running for my life, like as fast as I could even think about it. But just I don't know. I guess it was just a really fear and shock. Wow. I mean again, sorry of the year that happened. Oh my gosh, let's see, I think that would have had been two thousand and five or two thousand and six.

13:09 Okay, I think I'm just I men't thought. I'm trying to think about when I lived right in that area. I'd have to guess around two thousand and five, two thousand and six. Yeah, I was living on the Western Slope and Grand Junction, and yeah, it was a real not real mountainous in that area. There is some mountains, but it's on the western slope of the Continental Divide. It's like it turns the desert right in the middle of the continent right there, right in the Rockies. And I mean, you can do wilderness, but there's a lot of mesas, and yeah, it definitely can be wild out there. Have you ever heard of a place called Twin Peaks, Bible Camp and Grand Junction. That's so funny because Grand Junction is where I was living, It's where my family was ended up being based from. Yep. I actually would probably be familiar with where I was from, but I'm not familiar with that particular one. That's crazy, Okay. So I'm just curious because as there is a sighting near a Bible Camp in Grand Junction as well. Really, that's so funny. It's called just having the Twin Peaks name is cool too, so that's mysterious.

14:20 Also, I love that show. But that's interesting. I'm going to have to look and look into that one and see because I always tried to see wherever I lived all over in the US, in any wild places I ask people. I always ask the old people who work in the mines or people who work on the ocean or work in the woods, like you never see anything strange. It's important to ask people like people. Those stories need to be remembered for sure. But oh, that's crazy, Yeah, because this area, like I've never really looked on the map exactly where it was, but it was going up towards the town of Gateway and there's a highway on route and I had two experiences, one on the other side of that Grand Valley and the town of Mesa, and it was a couple. It was years later, but it was I'm gonna have to see if there was any more on that Grand Mesa because it's supposedly it's the biggest flat top mountain in the world and there's some wild places on it. Too. There's always rumors about stuff on that mountain. It's huge and it's flat, that's for sure.

15:24 Before we get to the second one, another question about your encounter near the interesting Stone desk when you ran back to the car with your buddy and you sped off. Was there any conversation in that car or was it nothing was said? We were We did a whole lot of cursing. We mostly got to the car. Just that was pretty much the extent. And there might have been, Like I certainly had a lot to say it, but my friend that I was with, he was just you didn't want to talk about stuff. He just wasn't one of those guys to talk and he was really shaken up by it, like it really terrified him and scared him, and he just like he was scared and he wanted to be home. And he was the older guy. When I think around that time, I was Jude, I don't know, nineteen or twenty. My buddy he's in mid thirties. You get a situation like that, you look at the older person and kick a little strength from them what to do or like, what the hell was that you tell me? When he just was terrified and so I just didn't push it, and I told people here and there and talked with Like I said, i'd ask people and the people that I talked with about aliens or conspiracies and stuff that ended up being true. And there's always mysterious things in those Four Corners area Colorado. Talked about underground bases and all kinds of stuff, And there is some very mysterious areas down there in that area, at real remote places. There's tribes that disappear and stuff. But I

16:57 would like to know more that area. I hear a lot of people talking about skinwalkers and stuff like that in that area, and I've never heard anybody to my face tell me a story about a skinwalker. So I don't know. I do know that these things are real, as much as my son is real, and my daughter and my wife, and as soon as much as me talking to you, these things exist. I don't know and what power in what form there exists in this plane. And I've talked with people about what they actually thought these were and how we don't have a body or there's no evidence, and whether they do bury their dead or not. But I know some people really laugh this off. But one of the best conclusions that I heard somebody say. It came from the same person who told me that he believes that they were brought here to mine gold, but then by who I don't know, but then they were taken back or whatever because they couldn't problem solve as well the people, you know, the next version or whatever, and supposedly a few of them stayed and you know, as things evolved or whatever, they stayed around. I don't know how much I believe that. He also had told me that, you know, they might be some type of being that you know, might exist, you know, in another dimension that we don't have access to, that some type of you know that some people might be that vibrates and the frequency that some people just don't

18:29 see. Some people just don't see deer before they jump across the road, or they don't see a snake before they step on it. And you know, even people that are trained to see stuff don't see stuff sometimes. I'm not saying that it counts for things, but I just really thought about that a lot when I heard people talk about what dimensions actually are and how many exist, and that makes me think that there might be other things that exist in other dimensions. That we might consider monsters are or not, or demons or angels or who knows. But I don't know why there's not more people coming out and saying how they actually feel or what that they've had these experiences, because I don't know, I've never really heard a lot of people say that. I thought to myself yesterday when I was thinking about if I was going to say something or not, I'm going to say something because maybe that is. I know that people always draw that the some UFO bigfoot connection that sometimes that they see them in the lights in the same spot that they see bigfoots. And there's definitely places that are like big energy vortexas and stuff like that, so I could see something like that. I don't know. I'm sure that you've heard all kinds of different theories about it. But I always thought that was strange. But it never kept me from wanting to say something about it, because I always knew that somebody was gonna say, oh, man, Tom's crazy, He's just one of those guys. He's just of course he saw bigfoot. I never said anything about seeing bigfoot. I did,

20:00 you know what I mean? I don't make up. So the cool thing about Bigfoot is that, and a lot of people don't like this, But there is no proven truth about the creature yet because we have in the fact that we don't know if it's interdimensional, we don't know if it's an ape or anything, because it hasn't been captured and it hasn't been studied. So if someone says to you, I know one hundred percent this is the thing, No, you don't, because it hasn't been captured and studied. Now you may, like myself personally, I agree with Nawac where I think we're looking at undiscovered grade ape. But like then you hear the Chestnut Ridge Stan Gordon side of things, and you have these UFO sightings and then bigfoot sightings along right along with them. There's all sorts of stuff when it comes to a bigfoot out there in the world, for sure. But definitely think that people who see things in the sky and people see things in the woods, so the same type of person, and they usually hopefully they'll say something about it. But there are stories like those are really I think that it's not like something like that would be so far fetched. I really in that part of Colorado, there's always been Like I said, this talks about there being some kind of bass, and people are always seeing the same types of crafts in the sky, and we literally would talk about if we thought that

21:30 they were government or not. I never saw any, but I don't know. I've heard guys telling stories that I knew that everything that they said was bullshit. And this kid, he looked us in the face, and the only time I ever seen us beyond this dude, be honest, he said that they're going down the highway near the four Corners and there's a big black bee flying right down with power lines, just going right down it real slow, and everybody was stopping looking at it, trying to take pictures and stuff, and they made him say something, And I think that's good. But in that area, there's a lot of strange stuff. And I always hope living out here in Maine now that I'm gonna here's some really cool ocean stories or something. But as much as I worked out there, I've seen some great white churchs, but nothing cool. There's no big foot out there.

22:18 Nice nice hey. You never know. So you had your awesome sighting in Grand Junction Areas, So how long after did you have your You had a sighting and you said Mesa. Yeah, in Mesa. There's a in the Grand Valley that Mesa is like, you know, it's the biggest mountain out that you can't miss. It's big and flat, and that's got a Powder Horn ski resort up there. It's got all kinds of lakes and all kinds of wilderness. It's beautiful place. And I'd have to say this is probably around see I think around two thousand nine, maybe twenty eleven. I really wish I would have tried to narrow down the years better. I'm sorry, I just geez, time flies. Yeah, up there on that Mesa there's a house that I rented and it was in the town of Mesa, and there were a lot of wild spots up there. Right, had some good friends that were awesome skiers and snowboarders, and they were always going up in these awesome, real wild places and it was a really interesting place to be and I really was like to find a place to rent up there. It's just really far from town. So I was at the end of this real long driveway and they're the corral with nothing that was ever in it, and just a real quiet place up there. Big mountain in the desert and nothing in the sky. You always see the stars. A real beautiful place, and I really enjoyed living up there. It's just really far. I was up there and this girl I wass seeing. He just started renting this place,

23:49 and I mean, now you get home, you'd be exhausted. So he finally got home at a decent time that night, decided we were gonna have a drink and go sit on the top of the truck and look at the stars and having some drinks and looking at the stars and all that. I to tell you, I've been trying to think about how I was going to tell the story, but we're about to talk about some sex for a seconds. So me and this girl we were, we had some sex up on top of the suburban that I had and out there just looking at the stars. And this girl I was with, she she was on her period, and I don't know if there had anything to do with it, but we started hearing and breathing right next to us, and there's no animals in the crowd, which is towards where we were, and we loved it, and there's standing right over there by us. It was it'd like to say it was probably it felt like it was right close to us, but we saw the whole damn profile of it, and it wasn't just me that thought, so I was thankful for that, but we were terrified, and I didn't make any noise or anything. We jumped down real quick, got right in the truck and drove right down our driveway, and we were really freaked out that we just went from not really paying attention to anything to having something potentially stocked us. It really terrified us. And our house was right there, not real far from it, five hundred feet away. We got inside

25:22 and it turned off all the lights and we closed the blinds and we hadn't got any good blinds for the place, and they were these little white you could pretty much see through them, and we were terrified it was just going to walk up the driveway. We didn't look at what it did or if it stayed there, but it was just standing there with one arm cocked and it ted cocked and that was that. And we seeing it at the same time, and she screened and we got right down and drove the five hundred feet down the driveway. What good that would do, I don't know. We were terrified. Locking the door. We thought they it wanted to come in or would want to because it's not where we went. And it really was very strange. It's a very strange story to try to tell people about your personal life where about someone you were with too. But it at that time because I just I didn't really didn't think about what it was or wasn't.

26:23 We were shocked that something was right there. I didn't really ever since I had that experience, I knew that the damn things existed, but it really scared us and we kind of me and her. The thing that we thought was that because maybe she was menstruating, then maybe it smelled it. I don't, like I said, I'm trying to figure out how I was going to put all this, but I just figured I'd just say it how it was, and the only thing like maybe smell this and walked up or something. I don't know, but it terrified her and it terrified me. But we talked about that a lot, and he talked about that even with her family, and I mean, we didn't really you know, the fact that it wasn't a man was you know, if it was just some perverse a standing there watching people that would be Obviously you'd be enraged and want to protect whoever you're with and get out of any dangerous situations. But she clearly I could see if she looks like she was looking at a monster, you know, And I mean she kind of you know, me and her dad had kind of talked about Bigfoot before. It says, just like I kind of saw, you know, someone's face being like terrified and shocked and terrified real fast. It just sheer terror, because what do you do? Because it's at that point I'd already talked about with people if they were interdimensionals, even wanted to come in the house. Closing the blinds and locking the door and laying on the floor so they can't look in the blinds isn't gonna do

27:56 any good. And I just know that's just a ludicrous strade. I know so many people are gonna make fun of me for that, but I really I don't know what part that had to play in it, but it made sense to me almost that That's like I said, when I had that experience towards up in that canyon, I wish I could have seen a face or something, because something like that, it just doesn't look at things in sea faces, in them in just in trees or in leaves or in rock. Something that was standing up right, it's not dragging its arms on the ground and not slouched over. You expect to look like a human. And I really would have liked to have seen it, But it's just panicking about what way anything and anybody's gonna run is I don't know. I wish I would have paid attention more about where it went, because we have someone freaking out so bad that trying to just trying to get the doors unlocked in them in and then back out and then in the house. It is difficult enough trying to figure out where something like that wants to be. It's just gonna be.

28:57 But that was really how shocked about that too. And I feel like they just they just appeared in spots in my life, and I think that's weird. I don't know if that's just what they feel like they do for other people. But like I said, I felt like I walked up and stepped on one's heel pretty much, and it was like pissed off or surprised that I did it, and that other one has just popped up and hearing the breath being around big animals like cows and horses. You hear something that it has big lungs, taking big breasts like the mucus and their lungs or just whatever. You hear them breathing through their nose or their mouth, and just some of real big lungs. And there was never any cows or horses in that corral or even any fields near it since I started renting that place.

29:41 And it was just something you hear like that right away. It just snaps you right out of whatever you're doing, and you look right towards what the sound is. And I didn't see a color anything, but that didn't have but anything that like I said, the canyon like look like that is bald on top of this one. You could see ed hair on it. It was definitely at the shape of a large hairy man standing there. And I would have to say, like dimension wise, that one that's probably I mean, I looking at my son's place at out there in the backstand about eights tall. I don't think that it would have been that tall. I think it was probably a little shorter than that. It was big, I mean something that tall. I mean, it's definitely a big animal or whatever it is, But something like that, I mean when you're hearing them breathe.

30:33 I hear people, you know, telling stories about looking them in the eye or seeing steam coming off of them and looking at the hairs on their skin and seeing like the skin and the hair. Like I'm like, I like hearing people say that because when you're looking at something like people have big foot cutouts in their yards all over in main they do in Colorado. But when you're looking at something that's an animal or that's alive that's consciously looking back at you. Notice when a bird is looking at you, You're like, hey, what's a bird? Squirrels looking at you, figger, animals, same thing. But something like that you're consciously looking at you is terrifying because usually man, woman in the woods you use for the most part, you're not gonna have too much trouble with something. But I just felt like both times, just like my space, all of a sudden, there was something right in the space that exists around you. You feet and feel something is there. And I could definitely say it wasn't the only person that felt that either time. And like I said, I pester people about this all the time, and I think a lot of my friends when their trips to the woods, they're drinking and shit like that, And I just I wonder how much stuff actually goes on in the woods that people don't even get to see because there I take advantage of any time I'm out there now just in case.

31:48 But I don't know if it works like that, But these times, I definitely wasn't looking for anything like that. I'll be honest, it's not the first time that it has come up on the show. I'll think of one and I had to take it out, Yeah, just because of the person who's telling the story requests I take it out. But you're not the first person that has brought up something similar. I always wondered that if it's something that because what this looked like to me was if they were going to pro create or something, they would probably do it like us, like just another animal seeing another animal doing that. I just don't I think that they would be interested in it or wondering why they look like them, or I don't know. I just I was always interested that if there was more people that had that experience, because it just it makes sense to me too.

32:43 And there's been stories of people getting drugged off and all kinds of stuff. I don't think anything like that. I just think that when different species of animals and maybe they see or hear and think, oh, they're like us too, or I don't know who knows. I'm glad to hear the other people are at least saying it, because that's just how you have to do it. It's some of it's going to sound stupid, and you as you're saying it to someone, you're going to be like, oh damn, oh damn, I'm gonna sound so stupid right now. Definitely not. Because there's an online blog. It's a cryptozoology blog called cryptomundo dot com, like Craig Willheater, and he's got an article where he even talks about this, and I'll link the article. But there's been at least one BFRO citing report where a menstruation was involved. It then goes on to talking about how that can attract grizzly bears. People have been unfortunately killed by grizzly bears that were in the middle of a menstruation, and then it kind of ties back into you were wondering, like if that kind of thing can attract well, I always wonder when you hear David plaut As has said she has so much good information on people like telling real stories. I think he's such a good example of someone that's going out and getting the stories and leaving them to do their own work by just telling the story. And a lot of these people are having

34:14 experiences, like some of them, they're not saying what they're seeing. They're not looking at an eight And I always thought, I always wondered, are we going the wrong way when we think that, you know what I mean? I know that sounds so vague, but maybe they're not as much ape or human at all. Maybe I don't know. I always wonder because people are like, oh, they're just eight men out in the woods and stuff, And I mean, you know, I've been to zoos and seen monkeys and chimpanzees and stuff like that. I have a question about your partner during the second encounter. Did she believe in Bigfoot before? Oh? Yeah. The funny thing about me and her dad, we had so many talks about he was really big into Bigfoot and stuff. He was always talking about books that he was reading and new angles on the Patterson Gimlin film and stories from Here The skunkcape stories and stuff, and he was always giving me his opinion and what he thought things were. And she was always part of that by default, by osmosis, by him just wanting to learn about it. And she spent, in all due respect, more time in the woods than I ever have, and I've she just was one of those people. Her family, they grew up just being in the woods and around animals all the time.

35:37 And I knew that everyone thought that, like we were all crazy for having us talk. But the funny thing about you asking about this is that we never felt strange for going up to her dad and saying, guess what and guess what happened to us. It wasn't like that we were I was like, we just saw one. He always was always looking in the woods for stuff, and he's never had any experiences early that I knew of, but he always felt like he was on the trail of it somewhere and always collecting stories as he could find them and stuff. But we were excited to tell him because he just always believed in it and stuff like that too. He had guys that worked with breaking horses and doing many other things that had dad experiences in the woods. That were that. He said that at percent, like he knew that it existed and it was just something that I think that there is a lot more people that considered it something that lives and breathes and exists that we know of, and that's I think that works out to our favor. And I think that more people are becoming open to saying like stories that have became like a family story, something that happened to Grandpa.

36:49 They don't want people things like that, or Dad didn't want to say anything about this during the war or something. These you get these guys coming back from places like Vietnam having like with the rock ape story, having fights with these giant rock apes and stuff like we're always trying to, you know, hear cool stories about stuff like that, but no, we were very hipped to, you know, learning about Bigfoot or UFOs or trying to get the information at least because all you can do is get the information and kind of sort through like the conversation with her father that debt turned out okay, that oh go sideways or anything. Wow, are you the least bit surprised as tough as they were or I shouldn't they were are like and the kind of terrain that they'd been through on horseback and the stuff that they'd put me through in the woods for fun with them on horseback. I know how tough they are. Like he didn't surprise him or freak him out or anything like that.

37:53 He knew what everybody could handle a or are very tough people and really good with the animals. And I don't know. I guess I can understand, like with some people being like, oh, would you be freaked out to say something? I was psyched because it's something that you could actually say. Look, I've got something to say. This is awesome. This has some weights. I know you've got stories, but guess what, and guess who was with me? Just to have somebody corroborate. And a lot of times things happen obviously nobody ever has a camera conveniently or whatever however that always works. It's just the roll of the dice. It likes all kinds of times on the boat, I can't get my phone out to take a picture of a big gass lobster or a shark or something because my hands are wet.

38:36 It just works like that sometimes. But that's that is one of the most interesting stories and after let's say there's that night you left, you did you go back the next day to look around the area to see if you could find any evidence or anything. I thought, No, I didn't. After that, I kind of joked about going up to that spot with myself, you know, maybe I should just go for a drive up there and just take a look. And I gone up that way a little bit for a couple of jobs I was doing, and I could never really, I could never really find it in myself for a reason to want to go back out there, not because I felt like there was gonna be something waiting for me, or that I'd even get any resolve from it, Because I mean, it was in the middle of a field that this weird you know, at this weird concrete desk. That's if they literally made a child's desk for like middle school out of concrete. It was the most absurdly weird thing.

39:37 It was like a modern art piece, like from like someplace in Seattle or something. It was just obnoxiously weird, and it just I just never I knew that if I went back and tried to find some answers, they wouldn't be there, because that's just how it would have worked. I knew that it was just going to be gone like anywhere else, and that the place that I lived up in the town of Maysa, I just had to live there. It was just part of living there. I just always was sketched out about being there, and I we didn't live there for longing and I didn't It was a long commute, so I was able to get out of that pretty quickly. But it always left just a weird feeling about just being around there. There was just a something like that if you just don't feel like you have like you something like that, it can overpower you. And just it's just it takes you down a notch knowing that something like that is around and close. It's not like being in bear country or anything like that.

40:39 It's something that's conscious on a different level than something that you know, like a bear. This can problem solve apparently, and just really it just left a weird just I say, like a weird dark energy because it wasn't bad. It was more just being freaked out about on like all of a sudden, this placed way up in the mountains, I thought was a nice little secluded little cabin, nice little place to rent with a nice little cottage, you know, have a little corral just in case, you know, you get a horse or something. And it just put it like a stain on it where it just like I really felt like like it wasn't safe in the place that you wanted to have a home at. So I just was ready to go. I spend enough time in the woods and stuff where it's like, even if you wanted to go back to some of these spots, I feel like you just gotta do it by chance to be lucky. I felt like if I ever looked at it like I wanted to see something or find something, I just it wouldn't work that way. That's if I buy the lottery ticket guaranteed gonna lose. Doesn't work that way for me. So it has to on the fly and just has to come to me in some weird way. And there was really hoping that now that I'm out here in Maine, like I could start talking with some people about any experiences that they'd have, and you that story from guy cuts Wood up north of here, like that was really encouraging. Here. That's what made me decide I've got to at least send an email in and at least say something, because that's

42:10 somebody I could literally probably I bet you I cut trees and with people that know who that is, you know, I bet you I can figure out who it is and probably sit down and talk with them if they wanted to, you know what I mean. And that makes me feel good to know that people that are having real experiences like that, And like I said, I'm only you know, I'm just a guy on a pod who's talking to you on a podcast about a story that I've had. Like it's only as real as it is to us, you know, to our mind and how we accept it. And you know, I feel like you know that story right there. And knowing that I could, literally, probably if I wanted to, you know, if they were accepting of it, sit down and talk about it like I want to, you know, that made me want to make sure that more people could feel that way, Like more people were gonna start saying these experiences that I mean, you know that story in particular.

43:06 I mean, I know all about that wild that country is, and I've always joked about wanting to go up there and cut wood, but I don't know if I'm man enough. There's some tough country up there too. Maine is a lot more wild than people think it is. That's for sure. Maine is crazy, but it's awesome. I would feel that if you keep asking up there, you're gonna you're gonna run into some stories, no doubt. Oh and I've heard I've heard people talk about seeing big cats in the state. Like I used to fish off a boat in Addison. That's we call this down East Maine where I'm at now. And like I live in down East Maine and I work on Mount Desert Island, and I used to fish farther from here what they call down East towards Addison Long Drive, and I was going to the boat one morning. We've seen it, just a big giant cat out here, and they've never seen big black mountain lions out here. And m I gez I was mountain lion Maine all the granted.

44:07 Oh man, it's be a great place. I'd be here. It's pretty cold though, yeah, definitely. So I grew up in western mass Massachusetts, in a town called Northfield, so we would vacation. We would. We've done the whole kind of bunk port thing Camden, Kitterie. We've also gone hiking up near not actual Kataden, but like the base of Katten run in with a moose and his family there when I was about eleven or twelve in my family. That's another story. But yeah, that whole the main area is wild and especially when you get up you go north, up by the Canadian border, gets crazy up there. But there are some really interesting bigfoot things that come up in Maine. There's this one story you should look up. I believe it's called the Meddy Bemps Howler. That's a fun one to look up. There's not a lot about it. But yeah, actually think that I'm on someone's channel, you know, because I thought I on YouTube, like Bob Gimblin. There's you know, he's a great one, you know, less less croud, like I love less like his work, and I think he's very credible, respectful man. I think he goes about it very professionally, very respectfully. He is definitely. I think that his experience in Alaska, like I thought that was really you'd figure that people spend their lives in all kinds of jungles and countries would come back with all

45:38 kinds of stories. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. Like that's when you're literally not paying attention or something. Yeah, he's got but there is some good information out there. And one of those guys in one of those channels that saw you called it. It was the medi Bepps Howler Medi Meddy Bemps Howler. I want to say it might have been on. There's an old site called Bigfoot encounters dot com. You would love it. You should check it out. Oh hell yeah, yeah, it's got some really great old stories and accounts. Old researcher Bobby Short, who's unfortunately not with us anymore, but Bigfoot encounters dot com is great to check out. Oh, I'm gonna go out. Thank you for letting me now. Yeah, there's been there's always like the Rocky Mountain Bigfoot Organizations one of the first places when I was younger, and this happened that I started trying to put my story in and and all fairness, Like, only in the past couple of years have I even decided to actually, probably in the past eight years, I decided to actually get a smartphone. Like you never wanted a computer, never wanted email dresses or any of that stuff. And so like now I'm actually like trying to find a lot of disinformation actually finding some good stuff, and you wouldn't have found you or any of that stuff any other way. And I'm glad that if there is such a good, easy route to do that, like you said once again, the platform, it's great to have it, dude.

46:59 Thank you so much. Absolutely, Tom. I'm so glad that you reached out to me and we are able to chat for a little bit about your encounters, and I hope that you keep in touch and if you ever run any into anything up in Maine, definitely let me know, or if you ever get back to Colorado and anything out from there, definitely that as well. You're a Bigfoot Society art goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening