Sept. 3, 2026

He Heard It During the 1977 Bigfoot Flap Near Little Eagle, South Dakota

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Season 1

In 1977, Hal drove six hours north to the Standing Rock Reservation after reports of Bigfoot activity around Little Eagle, South Dakota began appearing on television and in newspapers.


Late one night, alone at his campsite near the river, Hal heard something approximately 600 feet away.


Three shorter sounds. Then an incredibly loud, prolonged wail.


Within moments, dogs in the nearby village erupted. Coyotes on a ridge joined them. Nearly 50 years later, Hal still remembers exactly what that sound did to him.


His story continues on his rural Mississippi property, where years of unexplained activity have included enormous partial tracks, strange nighttime snorting, an unusual skunk-like odor, possible animal mimicry, recurring wood knocks, mysterious objects, and fleeting black movement through the brush.


Hal also shares an extraordinary childhood memory from the Mid-South Fair in Memphis: seeing what he believes was the original Minnesota Iceman—and returning later to find a very different figure inside the ice.


From Little Eagle and the Standing Rock Reservation to Mississippi, Memphis, Mount Hood, and Alaska, this is one man's decades-long journey through the Bigfoot phenomenon.


Listen to the full episode of Bigfoot Society and hear Hal tell it in his own words.

Resources:

Mississippi Skunk Ape video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9YcIlkl_c

Bigfoot without Spam FB group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/626955989764470



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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you firsthand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible.

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and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere, and each

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one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are

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the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle

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in because today you'll hear another account that just might

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change the way you see the woods forever. So stay

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with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he

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continues his fight against cancer. For more updates about his

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medical journey, please go to the CaringBridge link in the

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show notes. Thank you. All right, Bigfoot Society, you've got

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the privilege of talking to Hal today. Hal is an

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individual I got connected to who has had experiences over

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the years. He's from down there in Mississippi. But welcome

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to the show, Hal. How are you doing today, sir?

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Thank you. Pretty good today.

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Awesome. Awesome. So, yeah, Mississippi has some stuff going on

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in it for sure. I've talked to a few individuals

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over the years. But your experiences, I know at least

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one of them happens outside of that state. So we'll

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be traveling around a little bit in our conversation.

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Cool.

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But what was the main thing that introduced you to

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Bigfoot in the beginning, Hal?

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Well, I read a Reader's Digest condensed article in 1969

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when I was 12 years old, and I was a

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believer from day one. My dad and I went to

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see a movie, kind of a documentary about it, and

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he was determined that Patty was nothing but somebody... Dressed

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up in an ape costume, he never believed in it.

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I don't know what he thought I encountered later on

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when I told him about it, but never accused me

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of lying. My son is not really a believer either.

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He just thinks I mistook some other animal, but that

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wasn't possible.

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That's really interesting. So you were, man, you're age 10

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when the Patterson-Gimlin film is released. is filmed then using that.

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So do you remember that in the papers or people

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talking about that?

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No, the first I knew was the condensed article in

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Reader's Digest. It had clips from the Patterson-Gimlin film in it.

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And the movie, I don't remember the name of the movie.

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I don't think you would ever see it now. I

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think the government's probably taken that one out. But they

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had some government footage in there, actually. But the movie

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was the only live action that I saw on there. Now, later,

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when I went to South Dakota, there was a lot

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in the newspaper that was in 1977, and I was

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seeing a lot on TV about it at the time, too.

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So that's really interesting. So you're saying there's actual, the

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footage you remember seeing in this documentary in the theaters,

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there seemed to be government footage of some Can you

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go into that, what that would entail?

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Yeah, actually, I would say that was one of the

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best pieces of footage I've ever seen. And of course,

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that was back before the days of AI. It was

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filmed somewhere around the same time frame as a Patterson-Gimlin film.

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It was brief, but it was from a plane and

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it was taken of a Bigfoot in the Everglades just

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walking there. And later when the internet came out and

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I started talking to people in some of these groups, uh,

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I couldn't find anybody who had seen it. And finally

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one guy turned up and he said that actually that

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piece of footage was filmed, right? Not too far from

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where he lived. And he said, nobody with any sense

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or nobody would have been able to be walking around

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in a hot suit out there in the Everglades where

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it was full of cotton mouse and alligators at the time. But, uh,

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I have looked and I have looked for that piece

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of footage and it's just gone. But it was government

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footage and it was in that movie and I can't

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find the movie, but I don't remember the movie's name either.

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Okay. That is fascinating. Sounds like a new mystery. Maybe

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a listener can reach out if they know the specifics

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about that. I've never heard of that footage myself, so

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I'm really interested. Also, we mentioned groups a little bit.

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I do want to say that you are also the

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administrator of the Bigfoot Without Spam Facebook group. And I'll

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have links to that in the show notes of the episodes.

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So listeners can check that out. So Hal, you're definitely

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at the right age to find out about Bigfoot, age 12.

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So how did that affect you as you continued to

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grow up?

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Well, my first thought was I'm going to be the

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first person to prove that it exists. And my next

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door neighbor was a year younger than me and he

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was going to be my partner in it and all that.

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But as time went on, I learned there were already

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a lot of people out there in the field already

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trying to do that at the time. But then when

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I got up to South Dakota, I was 20 and

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I was starting to hear all this stuff on the news,

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on TV. I was in Racket City. And the sightings

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were up on Standing Rock Reservation around Little Eagle, South Dakota.

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And it was about six hours from where I lived.

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I had broken both my arms riding in a rodeo.

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I'd gotten the cast off, but I still wasn't gone

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back to work. And so I just decided to drive

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that six hours north and go up there and see

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what I could find on the reservation there. It was

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quite an experience. That was where I did have my

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first encounter, at least with a live one anyway.

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Oh, my goodness. I would love to hear about that.

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So you're on the reservation. Are you also talking to

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people that have had experiences, too, in addition to having

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your own?

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Well, I did some. In fact, I went to the

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trading post. The guy's name was Gary Alexander that ran

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the trading post, and he had some recorded audio clips.

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of the thing hollering was a little bit different from

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what I heard when I was there. And they had

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some plaster castings of footprints. So that was the closest

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I'd gotten there at the time. And I was camped

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out by a river, just sleeping in my truck. pickup truck.

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And some people from, they were magazine writers, told me

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about a little hunt that was going on and invited

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me to come along. So I went with Gary and

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several other guys. I don't remember their names. We went

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up on a hill and we had this really expensive

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sniper scope that was used in Vietnam that belonged to

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the Bureau of Indian Affairs. And it lit up everything

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at night and we were watching through it. And some

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of the people down below, we were way up high

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on a ridge. They had a campfire going and actually

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had a female menstrual napkin they were trying to use

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to attract one in some way. And they said it

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was a camp, attracted campfires and women and all that.

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We stayed out quite late. And then the people from

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the magazines, they decided to go home. Everybody took a break.

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I went back to my own campsite where the guys

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went back up on the hill. And I was... Laying

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there in my truck, I just laid down, rolled up

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the window to go to sleep, and I heard something holler.

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And I jumped up and I rolled my window down.

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I would guess it was probably, oh, at least 600

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feet away from me, maybe a little more than that.

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It's hard to say because it was so loud, but

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it was what I would describe. Well, there was three

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shorter sounds and then the really long blast, and it

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was kind of between... a howl and a wail, and

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it was kind of high-pitched. I have heard the same

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sound produced on YouTube maybe twice. All the others were deeper,

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and they say that's the difference in a female and

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a male. The one I heard was apparently a female,

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but I went back to the trading post and told

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them about it the next day, and I thought they

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were closer to it than I was, but they said

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they thought they heard it, so I guess I was

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a lot closer. I think it was probably calling to

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its mate. It didn't sound threatening or anything like that.

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May or may not have known where I was. And

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I also walked around. I found where some of the

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plaster castings had been made. Nobody had told me. I

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just happened on them. And they were not in places

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you would think somebody would have faked it. But looking

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at them, they didn't look fake at all anyway. Usually

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fakes are a lot smoother than that.

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Absolutely. You can definitely tell. You can tell the fake

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ones pretty good. I agree, but that's a different story.

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So did this ever get published in a magazine then,

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this whole thing? account?

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Not that I can remember, anyway. It's been a lot

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of years back. If I didn't have contact with the

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people that had been there earlier, it would have been

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nice if they would have followed me out to my

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campsite at that point in time. They would have heard it, too,

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but they had already gone back home, and I think

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I was the only one that had a real good

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hearing of it. Now, after it finished hollering, All the

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canines in the area, there were a lot of dogs

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in the nearby village. They just started going crazy. And

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I could even hear some coyotes up on a ridge nearby.

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I mean, it got all of them stirred up. The

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wild ones, the tame ones, you name it. But it

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stirred them up. And I've heard accounts where people said

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everything went silent. But I've heard other people say when

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they heard it, the canines went crazy too. And that

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was my experience. The canines went crazy.

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That's interesting. And this is, this would be around 1977.

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Is that right? Exactly, 1977. You will find on YouTube

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accounts from that time frame, you'll find some of my

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comments and some of them too. But they talk quite

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a bit about it. Like I say, it was in

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the newspapers then. I'd probably still have the newspaper clippings

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if I'd go digging through some of them. And it

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was on TV quite a bit. That was what made

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me go up there.

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Yeah, absolutely. For some reason, I mean, if listeners do

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just a little bit of work, they will find so

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many Bigfoot reports from the late 70s. I mean, in

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Iowa alone in 78, there was a massive amount. of

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Bigfoot encounters on, and I think that was nationwide really,

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for some reason, there was a lot of, of Bigfoot

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activity happening. So.

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I didn't know about, it's near about the one where

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I was.

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So then you have this experience where you have, you know,

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you hear, hear the vocals, uh, and. And did this

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just even light the fire under you even more, or

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how did that affect you after that?

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Well, I'd say it probably lit it even more. I

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didn't have time. I'd already been there for several days

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and nights, so I had to go back home at

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the time. But I will say when I heard the sound,

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the hair on my neck stood on end. I can't

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say it was really frightening or I really wanted to

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go out and look for it, but I was afraid to,

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not because I was afraid of the creature, but I

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always had a fear of getting lost in the dark

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at night because I did that one time camping. I

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just had to stop and sleep under a tree and

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go find my stuff the next morning, which was not

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a problem, but I wouldn't go out there. But I

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didn't feel threatened or anything by the sound. As I say,

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I don't even know if it knew I was there,

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but They hadn't been aggressive to anybody in that area,

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so I didn't see a reason to be afraid.

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Gotcha. Was this a thing where after this happened, you

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were talking to people on the reservation? Hey, did you

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hear this as well last night? Did you have any

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conversations that were like that?

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Just the one person there at the trading post that

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people that had been looking for it that night were

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the only ones that I actually talked to. But in

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my time of trying to find one, I did go

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to Oregon. I believe that was 1979, but I didn't

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find anything. And then I went on up to Hyder, Alaska,

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and I was told that someone had seen one there,

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but I didn't see one. And I didn't hear one either.

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Wow, that's really substantial. I mean, you're in your early

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20s still, and you're... You're just like, let's go for it.

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Oregon and Alaska, that's really... What part of Oregon did

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you go to?

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Let's see. I was on Mount Hood National Park. I

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traveled by motorcycle that trip, and I went on up

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through all the way through, but I was mainly camping

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on Mount Hood. And same thing, when I got up

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to Alaska, I was still... That was all one trip.

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And a friend of mine, I asked him if.

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Anyone had seen one up there and he said yeah

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there were some guys that were bear hunting and they

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had a bead on what they thought was a bear

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and it turned around and they just freaked out and

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they didn't shoot i don't know if it's because they

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freaked out or if they didn't want to shoot a

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big foot or what their motivation was for not shooting

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uh they had it in a scope they were apparently

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not real close to it and i don't think it

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saw them from what i was told I didn't actually

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get to talk to the guys.

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That is fascinating. So when you went out to Oregon,

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were you connecting with any researchers out there, or you're

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just going out by yourself into the woods, see if

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you can find some activity?

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I was strictly by myself there. I had read up

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on it, and at that time they were saying that

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Oregon was one of the main Places where people had encounters.

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So that was why I chose Oregon at the time.

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Absolutely. I mean, and Mount Hood National Forest, I mean,

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that is really the epicenter of Oregon for Bigfoot encounters.

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I mean, you have just outside of Mount Hood, like

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Lolo Pass and Estacada and all, I mean, around the

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entire mountain, really. There's stuff that goes on even to

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this day. So then did you take the highway that

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goes up through British Columbia to get up to Alaska?

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I did do that, at least a good portion of it. Now,

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at the time, most of it was gravel.

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Wow.

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Yeah, it was before.

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That's wild. That's a wild adventure in itself. Hal, my goodness. Okay,

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so you're not just an experiencer. I mean, you're really

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someone who has— And maybe not written down, but you've

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documented some in sightings over the years as well. So

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after Alaska, was it then, you know, you hear this

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conversation about what happened up in Alaska, then did you

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stay there for a while or did you go all

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the way back to your origin there?

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Well, I only stayed maybe a month, if that long.

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I can't really remember exactly. And then I headed back.

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I was living in Houston, Texas at the time. I

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stayed there a total of five years. I got married

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and had a son. And then we moved back here

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to Mississippi, where I live now. This is the same

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house right now that I finished growing up in. Most

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of the land is my grandmother's estate. But my parents

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and I moved into this house in 1972. Okay. Okay, gotcha.

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Now, I know from talking to a few people that

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there are definitely areas in Mississippi where there's Bigfoot activity.

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When did you start to learn that the Bigfoot activity

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is not just in Oregon, but it's also in my

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state of Mississippi as well?

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Well, I had read, even as a kid, that there

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had been sightings everywhere from Alaska on down into South America,

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pretty much every state. I didn't really put a lot

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by it, though. I just thought they were mainly in

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the Northwest. And I never thought about them being here. Now, later,

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when I got on the Internet, YouTube and all that,

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I learned about some just a few hundred miles from

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me in Mississippi, common encounters. And when I really got

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into it, deeper, there is a video on YouTube called

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Mississippi Skunk Ape, and that, right outside of Tunica. Tunica

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is only maybe 40 miles from where I live, and

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as tall as they are, they say that they travel

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very quickly. One of the encounters I had could have

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been the same one. I don't know, but I saw that,

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and even right at that point in time, I didn't

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think as much about it, and until some crazy things

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started happening right here around my house.

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Before we get into that, because I definitely want to

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get into that, but that video, and I'm going to

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try to find it and link to it in the

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show notes. Is that the one where they film, it

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like stands up and it's breaking stuff, but it's in

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the swamp, that one?

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Yeah.

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That one's pretty wild.

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Sitting down or squatting with its back turned to the

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camera and then it's, The guy made a sound by accident,

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and it got up, and the man that was filming

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it ran away.

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That's really interesting. Were you able to, you know, being

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a local to the area, did you ever look into

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that video to see if you could figure out who

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filmed it or get any information about it?

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No, I never did. I don't remember if the man

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gave his name. Or not, when I first heard it.

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I mean, I have looked at it a lot of times.

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I consider it to be one of the better videos myself.

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I really believe the Patterson-Gimling film was real, but there's

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so much controversy and so many claims about it being

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fake and all that, that if somebody wants to know

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about something, I don't use it as an example. And

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I tend to lean towards the Mississippi Skunk Ape. I

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wanted to use the one in the Florida Everglades because

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that one was really good. But like I say, that

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was government footage and you don't find it anymore.

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I would love to see that one. Hopefully someone can

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track it down. But I don't think the Mississippi Skunk

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Ape video has ever been debunked. I don't remember seeing

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any videos like that. Maybe someone can put in the

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comments if they've heard of that.

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Have to.

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That doesn't come up when people are talking about hoax videos.

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Yeah, I think you're totally right on that because I've

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looked at it so many times, and I've looked at

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analyses of it and various things, but none of them

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have come up with anything to indicate it was debunked

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in the way it stood up. I mean, the Cypress Swamp,

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you know it's not a gorilla in Africa that somebody filmed.

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I have seen videos of it. of people put on

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there as Bigfoot and they were really filmed gorillas in Africa.

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Probably taped them off a TV.

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I've seen some of those as well. So take us

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through how did that happen? It sounded like there was

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a point when you... started to realize, hey, this stuff

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is happening closer to me than I even could imagine.

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Well, I had started reading and watching YouTube videos and

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seeing a lot of activity in Arkansas, which Arkansas is

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just like one state over. In fact, I'm not really

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very far from the Arkansas line, maybe 60 miles at

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the most. And I would see things around here, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana,

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and of course, Mississippi. and in Alabama, just all the states.

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And I was reading about that and got my interest

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in it, but I still didn't think anything about encountering

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one of my own property around here. I do live

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out in the country. There's plenty of place for one

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to hide, although in hunting season, and I've never had

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anything too suspicious during hunting season, but there are a

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lot of people out here in some of these woods

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because there's a number of, gun clubs and things like

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that right in my neck of the woods, but not

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on my own property. And like I say, there's still

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plenty of room. But I have read some accounts that

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say they're rather nomadic, and that would make some sense.

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But if they eat deer, which they say they do, Lord,

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we have an overabundance of deer here.

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Yeah, that would line up. I'm thinking of one of

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the other Mississippi interviews I've done with a guy named

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Joe Flippo. And he, man, he has had some wild

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sightings of Bigfoot actually running down deer and just, you know,

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flinging them around, ripping legs off, just wild, wild National

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Geographic stuff. So that really lines up with what I

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have heard before. So you were, are you saying that

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you've had activity on your, Your property then, or just

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kind of close by to your property?

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Well, it's been on my property, I'm afraid. You might

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find it more boring because I didn't really get to

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see one unless it was a little black flash that

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I saw, which I couldn't identify. That's all most I've seen.

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I've been told by somebody it's probably all you will

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see of them. But I don't know. I couldn't tell

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you what the black flashes were going from one bush

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to another, so to speak, but one brush area. But

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the first thing that really was suspicious, I got out

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of my truck one night about 1130, parked it in

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the driveway. And I don't know why I was walking

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that direction, but instead of walking towards the house, I

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started walking a little more towards the woods, woods right

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by the fence. And something started to snort. And it

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wasn't making too good a sense because it didn't sound

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like a deer. Bears have made a little bit of

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a comeback. I never heard a bear snort. I have

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been around bears when I was in Alaska. But this

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sounded strange and it wasn't stomping. I've never heard a

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deer snort without stomping. But I wrote it off as

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a strange deer and I went in the house. And later...

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Some things got me to wondering if it was maybe

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a Bigfoot just telling me he didn't want me coming

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in that ticket where it was. I can't say for sure.

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But one week later, exactly one week, about the same

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time of night, I got out of my truck and

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I smelled something that I'd never smelled before. It smelled

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like a skunk mingled with something else I couldn't identify.

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And of course, down here, a lot of people call

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them skunk apes. All of them had said they smelled

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like a skunk mingled with something else. Now, a lot

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of them say it was really obnoxious and awful. In

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this case, it wasn't that bad. However, I questioned if

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maybe it had already left and the smell was just lingering,

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or if it rained the night before, maybe it had

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a shower, so it didn't smell so bad. I don't

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know what the deal was, but it was very strange. Uh,

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the dogs that were outside, I didn't leave mine out,

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but my neighbors had two outdoor dogs and they had

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some outdoor cats. None of them seemed alarmed or anything

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like that. I never felt threatened even by whatever was

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in the thicket that night, northing. I just saw it.

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Didn't want me to come in there. Definitely wasn't a pig.

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Somebody asked me if I knew what they sounded like. Yeah,

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I sure do. But, uh, anyway, that was all that

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happened right at that point. Well, somewhere in that same

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time frame, something got into my neighbor's trash can. The

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trash can's about four feet tall, which would be chest

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high on the average person. They scattered the garbage within

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a 10-foot radius. Really, there's nobody around here who would

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have done that. But the big thing... even if a

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bear or a big dog or something like that would

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scatter the garbage in a 10-foot radius, which they wouldn't,

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they would not have got into it without tipping the can.

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Whatever did this opened the can and did not tip it.

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And unless it was people really putting forth an effort,

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taking the time to make sure it got scattered that far,

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I mean, if it was a person rifling through it,

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he's going to toss it out closer to himself, uh,

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A person's arms are just not that long. Bottom line,

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it really had to be something that was really tall

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with a long arm span going through it. I had

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a pretty good idea of what it was. And then again,

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in that time frame, somewhat afterward, I had sold a

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lot of the timber off my property. So part of

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it had gotten kind of cleared. And I was walking...

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down towards a pond one day, not even thinking about anything.

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And all of a sudden I see a partial track

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with four toes in it. They look human-like, but with

457
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just the four toes in the track, and it did

458
00:26:41.630 --> 00:26:43.450
have a little bit of the front pad of the

459
00:26:43.490 --> 00:26:46.890
foot too, but just with those four toes, it was

460
00:26:46.990 --> 00:26:51.150
wider than my boot. I didn't get a picture that

461
00:26:51.210 --> 00:26:53.710
day because I didn't have my camera. It rained on

462
00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:56.490
it before. I got a picture, but I did take

463
00:26:56.650 --> 00:26:59.930
one later. Well, about a week later, I was down

464
00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:03.660
there and I see another one. It looks like it

465
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.380
probably has five toes in it. It's about the same

466
00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:10.359
size as the other track, but it's a little different.

467
00:27:11.299 --> 00:27:14.819
Someone suggested that it might have actually been fingerprints there.

468
00:27:15.380 --> 00:27:17.910
And when I look real close, I could see a

469
00:27:18.369 --> 00:27:25.180
line or two, not real clear, but Dr. Meldrum had

470
00:27:25.220 --> 00:27:29.609
said that only people have these things. So he was

471
00:27:29.660 --> 00:27:34.990
equating the Bigfoot fingerprints as being human-like when he was

472
00:27:35.049 --> 00:27:37.369
talking about it. And I could see a few little

473
00:27:37.410 --> 00:27:39.730
lines in there. I mean, they were basically smudged, but

474
00:27:39.769 --> 00:27:45.099
it appeared there was a print in it. And because

475
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.160
they were partial, they were inconclusive.

476
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:47.460
Dr.

477
00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:51.509
Meldrum saw it. The picture, I mean, and so did

478
00:27:51.549 --> 00:27:56.640
several other experienced trackers. Some of them, at least one

479
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.099
guy thought it was a very good possibility that they

480
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.000
were left by a Bigfoot. But because they were only

481
00:28:02.059 --> 00:28:05.289
partial prints, they were not conclusive or anything. You couldn't

482
00:28:05.890 --> 00:28:08.329
swear at anything like that. But that really got me

483
00:28:08.369 --> 00:28:12.250
going there. And I did another night. Prior to that,

484
00:28:12.309 --> 00:28:13.930
I had COVID. That was in 2020. I stepped down.

485
00:28:16.619 --> 00:28:19.400
I looked out my door, I opened it, and I

486
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.309
thought I heard one power over by my barn, but

487
00:28:23.369 --> 00:28:25.220
I was too sick to go out and look for it.

488
00:28:25.730 --> 00:28:29.549
But it sounded like it was trying to imitate a canine,

489
00:28:30.130 --> 00:28:33.990
but it didn't sound quite like a canine. And this

490
00:28:34.049 --> 00:28:37.160
is something else I've read about or seen on YouTube.

491
00:28:37.220 --> 00:28:39.880
People say that they do try to imitate other animals,

492
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:43.099
but they always sound just a little bit different. And

493
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:47.079
that's the way I would describe that, that Our canine

494
00:28:47.180 --> 00:28:48.680
wasn't quite like a canine.

495
00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:53.500
Oh, sure. And that lines up with, I mean, I've

496
00:28:53.539 --> 00:28:57.359
even experienced this myself, where you hear from people, witnesses,

497
00:28:57.539 --> 00:29:00.559
where it sounded like this, but it was like it

498
00:29:00.619 --> 00:29:05.720
couldn't quite do it. And I've heard that about ducks, frogs, owls.

499
00:29:06.579 --> 00:29:10.009
I mean, anything, man, across the board. It's the weirdest thing.

500
00:29:10.029 --> 00:29:12.029
How....

501
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.039
What would you estimate the length of the tracks that

502
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.299
you found and took pictures of to be?

503
00:29:18.740 --> 00:29:21.240
Well, as far as length, you couldn't get the length

504
00:29:21.309 --> 00:29:23.630
in it. You don't get the width of the toes.

505
00:29:24.549 --> 00:29:29.970
I actually found them three different times. There were some

506
00:29:30.029 --> 00:29:33.690
slide marks where obviously the same creature, because they were

507
00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:37.789
the same spread, was walking up a hill and hit

508
00:29:37.829 --> 00:29:42.299
a little ledge. and his toes like scraped the ledge

509
00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:48.480
and I want to say they were probably well just

510
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:53.759
with four toes in the track they were wider than

511
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:59.460
my own boot but they were at least six probably

512
00:29:59.569 --> 00:30:02.809
more than six inches across. I think I measured. I

513
00:30:02.849 --> 00:30:07.049
can't remember now. It's been too long. But they were big.

514
00:30:07.650 --> 00:30:10.930
They were bigger than a person. And somebody tried to

515
00:30:10.970 --> 00:30:13.630
say a person could have done that. Well, out there

516
00:30:13.650 --> 00:30:15.950
where they were, the tracks would have been bloody because

517
00:30:15.990 --> 00:30:19.930
you couldn't walk barefoot around there. And nobody was walking

518
00:30:19.990 --> 00:30:23.450
around there. I mean, people who were not there that

519
00:30:23.490 --> 00:30:26.670
don't believe, they've always got a very good counter explanation.

520
00:30:27.289 --> 00:30:31.079
But if you're there, Some things you just know that

521
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:32.400
the other people don't know.

522
00:30:35.259 --> 00:30:41.140
Absolutely. How close to your house would you experience activity?

523
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.740
Well, the snorting and the smell, I was right in

524
00:30:46.779 --> 00:30:49.079
my driveway. I mean, it was very close.

525
00:30:50.140 --> 00:30:50.940
Yeah. Wow.

526
00:30:51.140 --> 00:30:51.789
Yeah.

527
00:30:53.829 --> 00:30:57.440
Would you ever talk to your neighbors about things that

528
00:30:57.460 --> 00:30:59.670
were going on or like, hey, are you guys experiencing

529
00:30:59.710 --> 00:31:01.369
anything weird too? Stuff like that.

530
00:31:01.430 --> 00:31:03.869
Well, none of them have ever said anything, but I

531
00:31:03.910 --> 00:31:07.150
was talking to the one that had the garbage can

532
00:31:07.170 --> 00:31:11.789
that got garbage scattered. And I told him that I

533
00:31:11.829 --> 00:31:13.890
believe there was a big foot around there. He didn't

534
00:31:13.930 --> 00:31:17.089
tell me anything to indicate that he didn't believe in them.

535
00:31:17.130 --> 00:31:20.589
He's a hunter. He's in these hunting clubs and all that.

536
00:31:21.269 --> 00:31:24.869
And we were talking about the garbage can and And

537
00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:27.950
he said, a dog or something couldn't have done that.

538
00:31:28.089 --> 00:31:30.940
You know, he was agreeing with me. It had to

539
00:31:30.980 --> 00:31:36.519
be something really tall. And, I mean, there's nobody around

540
00:31:36.579 --> 00:31:41.869
here but me and him, really. I mean, it wasn't me. Now,

541
00:31:42.069 --> 00:31:47.470
I had another strange, unexplainable thing happen one day. I

542
00:31:47.509 --> 00:31:50.450
found a piece of copper pipe. It was my pipe.

543
00:31:50.990 --> 00:31:53.799
It had been moved about 15 or 20 feet from

544
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.400
where I had left it and stuck in the ground.

545
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:01.140
But it wasn't stuck straight down like a person walking around.

546
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.549
They stick something into the ground. It was stuck diagonally.

547
00:32:06.509 --> 00:32:10.309
And what was extremely strange about it was down really low.

548
00:32:11.309 --> 00:32:14.630
If a person, a Bigfoot or anything else that wasn't

549
00:32:14.690 --> 00:32:17.119
extremely short was going to do it, he had to

550
00:32:17.150 --> 00:32:19.569
get down really low. And then shove it to the

551
00:32:19.609 --> 00:32:22.730
ground kind of sideways. And it was in the dry

552
00:32:22.789 --> 00:32:26.200
ground so deep that I couldn't turn it with one hand.

553
00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:29.500
Not like a person would have put it in there.

554
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.259
It was over kind of behind some bushes right in

555
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.539
the very corner of my yard. I mean, it's in

556
00:32:35.619 --> 00:32:40.440
my yard. And it was weird. But I said, well,

557
00:32:40.579 --> 00:32:44.410
what sense does this make? I mean, first, I knew

558
00:32:44.470 --> 00:32:47.049
it wasn't a person. But even if it was, I mean...

559
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.509
What sense did it make that a person would do it?

560
00:32:50.019 --> 00:32:52.119
It made about as much sense that a Bigfoot would

561
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.460
do it. It even made about as much sense that

562
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:56.940
a ghost would do it. Yes, I believe in ghosts,

563
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:01.109
but why? I can't even figure out what would have

564
00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:04.410
done that because you'd have to get down really low.

565
00:33:04.450 --> 00:33:07.730
And I have heard of people claim that they're some

566
00:33:07.769 --> 00:33:10.309
little bitty short creature like a Bigfoot, but I've never

567
00:33:10.630 --> 00:33:14.349
had any experience with them. I don't know what did that.

568
00:33:14.930 --> 00:33:20.880
And then... Not terribly long after that, I found this. Oh,

569
00:33:20.910 --> 00:33:24.880
you can see it on here. It's an edge finder.

570
00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:30.180
It's been out for a while. I could tell that.

571
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.240
But it was right in front of my shed. Thing is,

572
00:33:34.309 --> 00:33:37.470
I'd never seen it before. I was so unfamiliar with

573
00:33:37.509 --> 00:33:39.789
this type edge finder. Now, I do the type work.

574
00:33:39.849 --> 00:33:42.289
I use edge finders, but I've never seen one like this.

575
00:33:43.180 --> 00:33:44.829
And I thought it was some kind of a strange

576
00:33:45.190 --> 00:33:49.170
remote to something, and I put it online, and somebody

577
00:33:49.210 --> 00:33:51.220
told me it was an edge finder, and I found it.

578
00:33:51.670 --> 00:33:55.109
That's what it is. But I questioned if maybe one

579
00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:57.559
of them was gifting it to me. There are no

580
00:33:57.630 --> 00:34:01.680
tooth marks on it, like a four-footed animal picked it

581
00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:03.980
up in his teeth and brought it over to my

582
00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:06.839
house and laid it in front of my shed there.

583
00:34:07.859 --> 00:34:11.239
It didn't—I don't know. I don't know where it came from.

584
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.449
I'm sure a person would have put it in.

585
00:34:15.019 --> 00:34:18.519
Yeah. I mean, it lines up with stuff you hear, Hal,

586
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:23.059
where it's like, you know, you'll be individually gifted something

587
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:24.679
and they'll be like, oh, that kind of has to

588
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.340
do with something I said a few days ago or

589
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.460
like something I do for a profession. And like, that

590
00:34:31.539 --> 00:34:34.780
is very, very strange. But I mean, it's not the

591
00:34:34.820 --> 00:34:37.800
first time I've heard of stuff like that. And it's crazy.

592
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.030
Yeah. I don't know how Bigfoot would know what I

593
00:34:40.070 --> 00:34:43.789
do or what I use, but. I don't know. I can't,

594
00:34:44.369 --> 00:34:46.809
you know, I didn't see who left it there. All

595
00:34:46.869 --> 00:34:48.349
I know is it was laying there. It wasn't in

596
00:34:48.389 --> 00:34:50.730
a place where a person would have put it. And

597
00:34:50.769 --> 00:34:54.010
I'd never seen it before. But it did show up

598
00:34:54.070 --> 00:35:01.119
around some of the other strange activity time frame. And

599
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.519
right after I came back from the Bigfoot Festival in

600
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:04.280
West Virginia.

601
00:35:07.179 --> 00:35:09.559
Okay, that's awesome. The big one up there?

602
00:35:09.889 --> 00:35:12.650
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty big. It was nice. I'm

603
00:35:12.690 --> 00:35:15.710
going to try to make, I hope I can. That's

604
00:35:15.750 --> 00:35:21.449
a big one. So is, so the activity.

605
00:35:21.090 --> 00:35:25.309
You're experiencing around your property, is that happening to current

606
00:35:25.389 --> 00:35:27.889
day or did it just happen for like a certain

607
00:35:28.030 --> 00:35:28.800
time period?

608
00:35:29.340 --> 00:35:34.119
I haven't, uh, well, let's see. Well, it doesn't, definitely

609
00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:38.690
not day by day, uh, The first that I really

610
00:35:38.809 --> 00:35:46.300
noticed and I started to equate was in 2020. And

611
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:52.099
then the last was probably, I want to say 2024,

612
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:57.480
almost the last. This is strange too. When I was

613
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:02.300
growing up out here, I used to hear three wood

614
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:08.010
knocks very commonly. I wrote it off, I just assumed,

615
00:36:08.590 --> 00:36:11.280
way back before I even knew a Bigfoot had ever

616
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.719
heard of one. And I would hear them and I

617
00:36:14.739 --> 00:36:17.380
would think somebody's driving a nail on a barn wall

618
00:36:17.420 --> 00:36:20.429
to hang a bridle or a rope on. But when

619
00:36:20.469 --> 00:36:23.849
I think about it now, because I heard one not

620
00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:27.550
terribly long ago, I don't know if it was this

621
00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:30.349
year or last year, but it wasn't that long. But

622
00:36:30.530 --> 00:36:34.650
I heard the three woodknocks. And it didn't sound like

623
00:36:34.670 --> 00:36:39.869
it was really coming where any buildings are. But Lord,

624
00:36:39.929 --> 00:36:41.690
all the wood knocks I heard when I was a

625
00:36:41.730 --> 00:36:45.679
kid growing up, somebody would have had their barn wall

626
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.980
full of nails by now. And then there was a sound.

627
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:56.739
I can't really describe it exactly, but I grew up

628
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:00.400
hearing the sound. It was always around dusk and it

629
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.110
was always in a distance. And I kind of wrote

630
00:37:04.130 --> 00:37:06.210
it off as being a bird. I didn't really think

631
00:37:06.250 --> 00:37:09.110
that much about it at the time. Later, I was

632
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:11.539
thinking about maybe it was coming from the pumping station.

633
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.079
But in the last few years, I got to thinking

634
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.440
about it. In fact, I heard it again. It hadn't

635
00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:19.920
been that terribly long since I heard this sound either.

636
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.340
But I got to thinking about it and I said,

637
00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:26.619
wait a minute. I don't know of any birds that

638
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.019
make a sound like that. And it's not coming from

639
00:37:29.059 --> 00:37:33.989
the pumping station either. So it makes me question if

640
00:37:34.690 --> 00:37:37.429
they have been around here pretty much all my life

641
00:37:37.530 --> 00:37:41.070
and just nobody knew or said anything about it.

642
00:37:42.670 --> 00:37:51.639
Sure. That's fascinating stuff. My goodness. So a question, kind

643
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:59.179
of unrelated, but more, when I talk to people from Mississippi,

644
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:06.199
podcast years ago used to be more about other cryptozoology

645
00:38:06.219 --> 00:38:09.639
in general. And then I transferred things over to just Bigfoot.

646
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.820
But back in the day, I had a lot of interviews,

647
00:38:12.980 --> 00:38:16.119
a few interviews with a young lady named, um, Missy

648
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:20.849
Lee Sterling from Mississippi. And she has some really, uh, interesting, uh,

649
00:38:21.469 --> 00:38:26.730
encounters about creatures that would be seen in Mississippi, uh,

650
00:38:26.829 --> 00:38:33.010
looked like a pale figure. really skinny. Is that anything

651
00:38:33.050 --> 00:38:36.409
that you have heard of living down in that state

652
00:38:36.630 --> 00:38:37.630
or not really?

653
00:38:38.030 --> 00:38:41.900
Well, I have read some, I don't know if it

654
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:45.699
was Mississippi, at least one I read about in Alabama,

655
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:51.059
but I have read about what people would describe sounding

656
00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:55.929
more like a white Bigfoot. Some of them were described

657
00:38:55.989 --> 00:38:59.230
as being slender rather than really big and bulky, like

658
00:38:59.269 --> 00:38:59.889
the majority.

659
00:39:02.019 --> 00:39:03.739
Okay. Gotcha. Yeah.

660
00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:04.559
Close and personal.

661
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.519
Northeast Alabama. Interesting.

662
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:12.539
Personal enough to describe. But now I did see the

663
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:16.860
Minnesota Iceman when I was about 12. I believe that's

664
00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:19.789
what it was. I never heard it called that. But

665
00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:23.570
I can tell you, some people said, oh, that got debunked.

666
00:39:23.630 --> 00:39:28.150
It was plastic. Well, guess what? There were two of them.

667
00:39:29.050 --> 00:39:31.670
And one of them... the first one was not plastic.

668
00:39:33.449 --> 00:39:35.230
I couldn't see it as well as some other people

669
00:39:35.289 --> 00:39:38.469
saw it before I did, but I have read testimonies

670
00:39:38.510 --> 00:39:41.429
from some that got a better view. But what I saw,

671
00:39:42.070 --> 00:39:45.159
I could see it was definitely a body in the ice.

672
00:39:45.659 --> 00:39:47.960
The reason I couldn't see it quite as well, especially

673
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.900
the face, there'd been a partial meltdown and it was

674
00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:54.179
shot in the eye and some of the bull had

675
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.900
floated out and frozen. So I didn't have as clear

676
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.619
a view of the face as I might have, but

677
00:40:01.570 --> 00:40:03.710
I knew the smell. I mean, you could smell it then.

678
00:40:04.030 --> 00:40:06.969
And I knew the smell because growing up in the country,

679
00:40:06.989 --> 00:40:10.809
I used to pick up roadkill and freeze it, freezes

680
00:40:10.869 --> 00:40:14.650
some of the inside parts and chop it up small

681
00:40:14.730 --> 00:40:17.550
pieces and feed it to fish in an aquarium. So

682
00:40:17.690 --> 00:40:22.869
I knew what frozen blood and gunk smelled like, and

683
00:40:23.570 --> 00:40:28.519
that wasn't plastic by any means. And I went back

684
00:40:28.699 --> 00:40:32.500
maybe one or two years later to see what I

685
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.239
was looking to see the same thing again, and it

686
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.119
was definitely replaced with a fake.

687
00:40:41.769 --> 00:40:45.480
Really? Oh, that is extremely interesting. So was... Was that

688
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.710
like at a county fair in Mississippi or where was that?

689
00:40:49.829 --> 00:40:55.050
The Mid-South Fair was in Memphis. Okay.

690
00:40:55.510 --> 00:40:58.110
Oh, my goodness. That is extreme. Were you there with

691
00:40:58.150 --> 00:41:00.489
your– who were you there with?

692
00:41:00.849 --> 00:41:02.849
Well, I don't remember if my dad went in with

693
00:41:02.909 --> 00:41:05.550
me to see either one of them or not. The

694
00:41:05.610 --> 00:41:09.960
second one, my next-door neighbor in Memphis went with me. And,

695
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.360
you know, we were just kids, but we were not

696
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.519
so gullible that we couldn't tell– We were looking at

697
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.500
a fake. In fact, I would describe that fake one

698
00:41:18.579 --> 00:41:23.030
as being looking a lot like Lou Ferrigno with a

699
00:41:23.090 --> 00:41:24.250
lot of extra hair on him.

700
00:41:26.929 --> 00:41:29.349
Oh, which would have been the actor that played the

701
00:41:29.409 --> 00:41:31.789
Incredible Hulk back in the 70s.

702
00:41:31.949 --> 00:41:33.969
Yeah, I don't know how old he would have been

703
00:41:33.989 --> 00:41:36.949
at that time. But I mean, it was a fake anyway.

704
00:41:36.989 --> 00:41:38.929
But the face looked like it was modeled kind of

705
00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:43.300
after him. And it was definitely it was taller. longer

706
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.199
bodied than the original. Some of them say that the

707
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.699
original was actually a Cambodian rock gate. I can't tell

708
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:52.960
you that it was or wasn't on that. All I

709
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.119
can tell you was that was not a fake body

710
00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:00.230
in there. It was real. But the second one was

711
00:42:00.250 --> 00:42:03.170
definitely fake. We could see where the plastic even had

712
00:42:03.210 --> 00:42:05.550
some little cracks in it. We could see that the

713
00:42:05.670 --> 00:42:10.010
eyebrows were neatly trimmed. False eyelashes and all that. And

714
00:42:10.090 --> 00:42:12.690
I basically looked like a Caucasian with a lot of

715
00:42:12.769 --> 00:42:16.880
extra hair. And I will say, I mean a Caucasian

716
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:20.139
man who was riding a motorcycle. And if he'd been

717
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.500
running naked out in the woods, somebody could have easily

718
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.940
mistook him for a small Bigfoot. Because I thought he

719
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:28.969
was wearing a black long-sleeved shirt. And when I got

720
00:42:29.030 --> 00:42:31.369
up close, I saw he wasn't wearing any shirt at all.

721
00:42:31.389 --> 00:42:36.309
He was covered in black hair. Some people do that.

722
00:42:36.329 --> 00:42:46.940
Mm-hmm. Interesting. Interesting. What a, you know, our stories are

723
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.940
kind of similar in a way because the phenomenon has

724
00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:57.289
affected us. But if I remember our interview, which is

725
00:42:57.510 --> 00:43:00.050
happening right now, it sounds like you have not had

726
00:43:00.070 --> 00:43:05.929
a visual yet, much like myself. So I know what

727
00:43:05.949 --> 00:43:08.639
the answer for myself is, but I'm curious. What is

728
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.090
it that keeps you going if you have not been

729
00:43:12.150 --> 00:43:16.909
able to have a visual yet of whatever is out there?

730
00:43:16.929 --> 00:43:21.469
Well, I tell people on these sites, I mean, some

731
00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:23.389
of them say you'll see one, you won't ever have

732
00:43:23.449 --> 00:43:25.780
any question about it. And I tell them, you don't

733
00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:28.139
really have to see one. If you just hear one

734
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:32.239
of the exclusive sounds like I did in South Dakota,

735
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.579
you won't ever have the least bit of question about it.

736
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.710
I mean, you see so many fake things out there

737
00:43:38.809 --> 00:43:41.869
on YouTube and all that people post trying to say

738
00:43:41.909 --> 00:43:46.289
they're real. If I hadn't had an experience, I think

739
00:43:46.309 --> 00:43:49.750
it would probably make me question it. But as I

740
00:43:49.789 --> 00:43:53.110
tell people, you know, this one girl, Lynn Smith, it's

741
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.619
on YouTube. She always says, just remember, absence of proof

742
00:43:56.699 --> 00:44:00.980
is not proof of absence. But it's not just that.

743
00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:04.440
What I say, there can be millions of hoaxes and

744
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:08.280
lies out there. They don't prove anything except that some

745
00:44:08.300 --> 00:44:12.019
people just don't tell the truth. But it only takes

746
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:19.400
one real encounter, sighting, report, or whatever, and it's real.

747
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:22.760
Absolutely.

748
00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:27.639
And it's real. Yeah. People don't have to believe that

749
00:44:27.699 --> 00:44:30.110
I really encountered one. If they don't want to believe it,

750
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.760
that's okay. I'm not worried about it. Nobody who's ever

751
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.159
known me has ever called me a liar. Like I say,

752
00:44:36.380 --> 00:44:40.179
my son has always thought I mistook something else, but

753
00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:43.659
there was nothing else that could have reproduced that sound,

754
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:49.050
especially back in 77. Yeah, 100%.

755
00:44:49.050 --> 00:44:53.480
And so your explanation is actually almost 100% what mine is.

756
00:44:53.489 --> 00:44:57.050
I heard vocalization in Oregon in 2024, and that was

757
00:44:57.110 --> 00:45:04.340
enough to pushed me past a hundred percent. I mean,

758
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.809
there's nothing that can, can replicate what we heard that day.

759
00:45:08.849 --> 00:45:13.550
It was absolutely insane. Um, wild stuff, but, but Hal,

760
00:45:13.690 --> 00:45:17.260
thank you so much for spending some time with me today, uh, for,

761
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.559
for hanging out. I want to make sure that you

762
00:45:19.579 --> 00:45:22.739
were able to, to share, uh, everything that you'd come

763
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.280
to the show to talk about today.

764
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:24.960
I think so.

765
00:45:24.980 --> 00:45:25.780
Awesome.

766
00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:27.000
Awesome.

767
00:45:28.429 --> 00:45:30.699
Do you mind spending a few minutes before we go

768
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.760
talking about what you've got going on over in the

769
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.239
Bigfoot Without Spam Facebook?

770
00:45:37.579 --> 00:45:44.050
Sure, sure. People basically post what they want. Now, the

771
00:45:44.090 --> 00:45:48.090
reason it got that title and the way it got started,

772
00:45:48.130 --> 00:45:52.510
my friend Sean Arnett from Missouri, he was seeing so

773
00:45:52.550 --> 00:45:55.489
much spam on all these groups that they had. And

774
00:45:55.510 --> 00:45:57.329
just wanting to get it out of there. And I said,

775
00:45:57.349 --> 00:45:58.909
why don't you create your own group? He says, I

776
00:45:58.929 --> 00:46:01.590
don't know how. So I went, I said, let me

777
00:46:01.630 --> 00:46:04.170
look into it when I get back home and I'll

778
00:46:04.190 --> 00:46:06.269
let you know. So I looked into it and it

779
00:46:06.289 --> 00:46:08.210
was so easy. Before I knew it, I'd started a

780
00:46:08.250 --> 00:46:11.110
group and then I made him administrator. So we're both

781
00:46:11.170 --> 00:46:18.010
administrators on there. But the rules are you can't get

782
00:46:18.130 --> 00:46:22.550
on there and say Bigfoot does not exist. You can't.

783
00:46:23.250 --> 00:46:26.969
post spam on there. You cannot post hoaxes. Now, you

784
00:46:27.010 --> 00:46:31.659
can post videos and ask people what you think. They're

785
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.719
not original, you know, not yours. You can't. But if

786
00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:36.400
you put a fake one on there and say, I

787
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:38.599
took this one and it's obviously fake.

788
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:39.199
Right.

789
00:46:39.340 --> 00:46:42.690
The boot. And if you get on there and then

790
00:46:42.750 --> 00:46:45.690
turn around and say you're an unbeliever, that it doesn't exist,

791
00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:47.750
you get the boot. And if you make trouble.

792
00:46:47.929 --> 00:46:52.300
But definitely, listeners, check that out. I'll have that down

793
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:56.239
in the show notes or description. And yeah, thank you

794
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.699
so much, Hal, for coming on the show and sharing

795
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.590
what your journey has been over the years. And it's

796
00:47:01.619 --> 00:47:03.710
been a fun conversation. Thank you.

797
00:47:03.809 --> 00:47:04.570
Thank you very much.

798
00:47:05.670 --> 00:47:07.909
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

799
00:47:07.989 --> 00:47:11.230
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

800
00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:19.389
in the or if you're a national park ranger or

801
00:47:19.510 --> 00:47:23.050
forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, if you're

802
00:47:23.070 --> 00:47:26.449
a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,

803
00:47:26.849 --> 00:47:29.650
or if you're with the FBI, a federal agency, or

804
00:47:29.710 --> 00:47:33.179
working intelligence, and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed

805
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.320
to talk about, and if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

806
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.880
search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks

807
00:47:40.099 --> 00:47:43.059
that didn't make sense, if you're in the logging industry,

808
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.599
on a remote oil field or a trucker with government contracts,

809
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:51.039
and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul,

810
00:47:51.059 --> 00:47:54.639
and if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a

811
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:58.400
field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not

812
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.829
allowed to report, if you're a pastor, a missionary, or

813
00:48:01.869 --> 00:48:05.110
someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that

814
00:48:05.150 --> 00:48:09.489
shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA,

815
00:48:09.670 --> 00:48:13.030
or anything with clearance, and you've seen what the public hasn't,

816
00:48:14.500 --> 00:48:17.820
then I want to talk to you. Even if it's anonymous,

817
00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:24.119
you can reach me at bigfootsociety at gmail.com. The world

818
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:26.800
needs to hear what you've been forced to carry alone,

819
00:48:28.250 --> 00:48:32.849
and you're not alone. You've got the story. We've got

820
00:48:32.889 --> 00:48:36.570
the mic. See you in the woods. Thank you for

821
00:48:36.610 --> 00:48:39.550
listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every

822
00:48:39.590 --> 00:48:42.090
encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger

823
00:48:42.210 --> 00:48:45.019
and stranger than we think. and that the truth is

824
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.119
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832
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834
00:49:16.090 --> 00:49:19.889
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839
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841
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842
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843
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