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0:00 You're listening to Big the Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes. Thank you all right, Big the Society have got the privilege of talking to mister Lynn guess Pear today. He's an individual that I found from the great book Sasquatch Face to Face by Tom Cantrell.

1:00 Lots of great stories in there, and thankfully he was like, yes, I definitely come on, we can we can chat about what I've experienced. So Lynn, it's great to have you on the show today. Well, thank you for inviting me to be on the show. And it's all part of my research to help people understand big understanding foot I am in the book Sasquatch Face to Face. I did write chapter. Nine absolutely, and we were having quite the conversation before we started recording. We were talking about, you know, you're involved with all sorts of stuff. You talked to a lot of really cool people, and it's everyone from I mean, well, do you mind me saying who? What kind of people you you talked to?

1:52 That's fine, all right? You talk to everyone from doctor Meldrum to Bob Gilan, and you just had some really interesting conversations with some really interesting people. And yeah, I'm excited to talk to you. So Lynn, take me back right to where this started. For you, back to it sounds like age six. All right. This is a true story. It happened in nineteen fifty nine at Ocean Shores, Washington, which is a vacation area where people go to dig clams. And the families were there and digging clams. Doctor limits and came back to the duplex to clean clams, and being the littlest guy there, I got to go outside out back and looking for something to do. And behind the duplex was this big BlackBerry patch running from right to left.

2:48 It was about twenty foot long and about seven eight foot tigh, and it was just loaded with blackberries. So, being a six year old who liked blackberries, I was going to pick blackberries. And by the shed behind the Gooplex there was three one gallon white plastic buckets that God damn. When I went over to the blackberries bushes and I started picking the low hanging clusters of blackberries. And while I was picking the blackberries, I would ever now and they hear like something pull on a vine, or i'd see a vine snatch move and like a sucking like like somebody was slurping berries or something off the vine. And I would look around and I didn't see anybody or anything. So I went back to picking the blackberries and filling the buckets, and there'd be a pull on the bush or a vine would push and some breaking, and I'd hear that sucking sound and I'd look again. Nothing. So I decided to work higher on the pat. So I went over to the shed which was about ten feet away from the patch, and I got this old fashioned wooden step ladder and I came over and I put it up next to the BlackBerry patch.

4:13 I had about a bucket and half of berries left. And as I started picking the berries, i'd climb up the step ladder and dererek be the pull on the bush again and the noise, and I'd look at see nothing. And I got about halfway up, and as I'm picking black berries, right up in front of me comes his black hand. It's the right hand. It's covered with hair clear down to the fingernails. It's got fingernails and has an opposing thumb. It looks like a human hand, but only bigger, and it's covered with fine black hair. It pulls berries over to the side. And I'm not up high enough where I can look over the patch yet, and so I look at this and I'm going, well, was that that a person or something? And so I pick some more and I reach over the pole a cluster to me, and this hand comes up again. It's a right hand. It's covered with hair from the fingernails clear down the wrist and the porch of the arm that I can see. And this hair is fine black hair.

5:18 It's about an inch or so long, and it pulls the berries over and I'm picking berries, and I keep thinking to myself, is this some person or something, because I've seen the hand look like a human hand, only bigger. And so I'm back to picking the berries and the hand comes up again and it gets a hold of a cluster of berries right next to me. So I reach over with my left hand and I touched the index finger and the forefinger on the right hand and it pulls back, and I go, oh, that's interesting. And so I go to start picking and the hand comes back real slow, and so I reach overnight again. It's the hair is soft and the hand doesn't pull the waist stays there for a little bit, and then we go back to picking the berries and I reach up to my left to get a higher cluster of berries.

6:23 Up comes the right arm, and it's covered from hair as far as I can see top and bottom. It grabs the combine and because it pulls it down, and I go, oh, that's the motion and the sound that I was hearing. Whatever this is on the other side of the bush is doing it. And so I pick more berries, and I reach up to get a cuts of berries, which is almost the area with the hand. The hand comes up and this time it touches my hand. Its fingers are across my index finger and forefinger on my left hand, and it pulls the uh the berries down to a board be bought it in front of me, and I'm just looking at this like what is this?

7:10 So I pick some berries off with my right hand. It pulls them over and in the meanwhile, the left arm comes up on the other side of the bush and pulls down more berries. And this is what we're doing. So we keep doing this, and I'm picking berries and I come up a couple more higher. I fill up the second but I'm working on the third bucket. Well, now I'm up where I'm about the third fourth wrong on the ladder. I can see over it. And as I'm picking berries, the hand comes up and gets a hold of some berries right straight in front of me. And I take my right hand and I just put it down right on the on the hand and it doesn't move back, and it pulls it back, and I reach over to get another club for berries with my with my right hand, up comes the left arm. It's covered from the hair from hand to shoulder, top and bottom.

8:12 The hair between an inch to two inches long. Black. The skin on the fount of the hand is lighter colored. The nails are dark human looking nails opposing thumb, and it gets a hold of my hand as it comes down. And so we're doing this back and forth. So I finally get next to the top rung and I reach up to get one of higher cup. Up comes the arm again and it pulls it down. It stuff bombos right in front of my face. I pick some berries. It ticks some berries, and I hear the slurfing noise again. So I go So the time I come up and I'm getting ready to do it, and I just for some reason I heard like a noise, like a grunt or something, and I look down down to my left, on the opposite side of the bush of maybe eighteen twenty point story, there's a face. It has a tan colored forehead that slopes back. The head on top is covered with black hair. It's wider at the back and is that the front It goes up, but it doesn't have a sagular crest. I can see ears that are about twice the size of a average human there. The ears are black colored with fine, maybe quarter inch long hair on it. And I look right into the face.

9:37 It has brown eyes, black pupils. There's whites in the eye. It has a flat and nubian style nose with almond shaped nostrils. The skin is a dark tan color. It's got like a full beard, an inch long hair on its face that has longer the distance between the bottom of the nose and the lip is longer than a average adult. And it has no visible neck. And I'm looking down. It has no clothes on as far as I can see down. It is covered in the hair.

10:20 And I'm looking at this and I'm trying to as a six year old, figure out what this is. My first thought was, as an Afro American kid, why would an Afro American child or teenager be out picking BlackBerry's nude all hair covery? So I know it wasn't that, And it didn't have a snout, it had a face, it had a nose, chin, ears, no visible neck, all covered in black hair. So I'm looking at it, and being a six year old, I'm curious. I'm not afraid of it. And I sit, I speak to it, and I say, are you picking blackberries too? The biggest and the juiciest ones and the sweetest ones. Are up high.

11:09 It kind of takes a sad at me, and as I reach out to get some blackberries, it reaches up. It takes a hold of vine and my hand it brings it down in front of it. It try towards me and I take them. It takes them, and I'm looking at this and I talk to it again, and I go, can you hear me? Can you talk? Because I'm trying to be its friend, I'm trying to make friends with it. It doesn't answer anything, and I started to feel just super sad because it doesn't talk, and I just for some reason reached up and I touched my right ear with my right pointing finger, and I go, can you hear? It reaches up with its left hand and it touches its left ear, and I'm going, is it mimiging me? I'm thinking this to myself or is it telling me that it can hear? And I go up and I touched my ear again, can you hear me?

12:21 It does the exact same thing back, so I'm thinking of a six year old it can hear me. Then I felt super sad and I'm looking at it in this face and I say, how sad you can hear, but you can't talk because I thought it you couldn't speak. It kind of grunts and it looks at me and just me a six year old right from the heart. I say, you need a friend. Can I be your friend? I just ask it to be I can be his friend. It takes with its left hand. It gets the hold of a cluster of blackberries, like hand somebody over it, and it hands the blackberries to me. I take him with my right hand, and it puts its left hand kind of like at the waist level out palma to the left side of me. I take the blackberries. I picked some, and then I take a clump of blackberries in the exact manner that it handed to me. I hand it back to it and it takes it with its left hand, and I put my left hand down flat in the palm of its hand or holding hands.

13:43 I'm on the ladder, he's on the other side of the black fish, and it reaches out and we put it. At that moment, I just felt this connection like we just became friends. And later on through research, I learned that blackberries or any type of berries, is a significant part of their survival. So from a big foot a gift of blackberries or berries to you, that's a pretty significant gift of friendship. And I learned that from discussions with Tom Cantrell. So this is what it did. And we went on picking berries and touching hands, hold hands back and forth. I would talk to it. I never thought the walk around the patch and uh, we kept doing this. We were friends as far as I could save it. Being a six year old, I just made friends with whatever this was. It wasn't a no for American kid. It was this big hair covered animal creature that was about six foot six six and six six six covered with hair, that picked backberries with me. The people that were in the opposite end of the of the do had a lab and the lab come out, fired out running. It started barking and growling. It could smell the bigfoot as all that I could figure, and the Bigfoot knit went at it, growling, shaking the bushes.

15:16 And when it came out started, I turned to the left and the ladder kicked out for me and I hit the ground with a thump on my bottom. The ladder went down one of my bucket, last buck of bear. It landed between the ladder legs on the ground and I'm on the ground and the lab is just I mean it's trying to, I guess, protect me, and the bigfoot's trying to protect me, and they're going at it back and forth. Well, it comes out from behind the patch going on the trail to go into the woods, and it has to pass under a Douglas fur and there's a dead branch about four inches stick that sticks out and it comes out, reaches up with its right hand, grabs that branch, just snaps it down, breaks it off, hits the other end on the ground and it's got like a three and a half four foot club and it turns so ms waist. It puts its left hand out and it's facing the dog and they're at each other.

16:19 No doubt in my mind that this whatever it was was fictioning to walk this dog. And people are starting to hell and scream and come out, and I'm still sitting on the ground looking right at it. And it goes down the path and about ten fifteen feet down the path there's a little swale there's a dead stump and a bow down tree. It goes down behind into the little swale there hole there and behind the stump, and it just drops down, and I'm sitting on the ground. I can look and it's looking in my direction. And the people come out and they called it. They're calling the dog off. The dog didn't go after it. It came back towards my direction, and my parent, my mom came out, and my grandmother come out, and they are going, what's going on here? And the owner says, well, the lab door went after a bear or something that was near your child. Now we've got to stop right here and reflect back. Two things. One who picks blackberries and the BlackBerry patch barefoot and what bear runs on two feet?

17:37 Can reach up with the red of the right hand, four fingers of palm and opposing thumb and break off a branch and break it off on the ground and turn while standing on two feet and look at the dog and have that club held about shoulder heights. Yeah, that's not a bear. So I get escorted off into the into the duplex and they pick up two of my buckets of berries, and everybody starts asking me questions about what I saw, what happened, And that scared me more than what happened outside, because these are adults, and you know, and I don't know truly how to explain him.

18:21 In a park warden or a sheriff or something shows up to remember the green uniform, and they're describing this and my grandfather comes over and he asked me. He says, describe to me what it looks like. And I described it to him and I said it had a face covered in hair, like a teenager with a beard, and one of the dolls maybe The warden or said, does he know the difference between what a bear is? And my grandfather says, oh, yes, he knows what a bear is, no problem, and I did at that age. And so my grandfather was asking me to describe it, and he says, didn't have a muzzle. Did it have a nose? I said, had a nose? And I reached up and touched my grandfather's nose, uh and those like this, and he says that I said, and he asked me more. I said, had ears on the side of it's not on top.

19:20 And I said, I had a chin. I touched my grandfather's chin. And one of the adults says, he's describing a bigfoot, a sasquatch. And that's what I really connected at That's what I saw because I knew at that age what a bear looked like, and this was not a bear. So I asked him, well, did you bring my berries in? And I said, there's there's three buckets. Well, we brought two in, and my grandfather says, Patty, you guys and valiers and my grandfather go out and get his other bucket. My two uncles went outside. They walked around the back side of the the patch and they found thirteen and a half fourteen inch quadruple e barefoot footprints with a little like a dirt in the track going down the path to where I said it stepped off behind the stuff, and then they found tracks of it coming back. So they walked back and I had told them that the ladder had landed on its side, the legs apart, and the other bucket of berries was between the legs. When they got there, the bucket was picked up, and it's about all the berries were put back in the bucket, and the ladder was put together and laid next to the the bush. And they had followed the tracks back from where it went off up

20:52 to the bucket to where the bucket the berries were. What would a friend do? It came back and that was what started out for me, and I truly believe that that because of that incident and the physical contact with that bigfoot led to many of the other encounters that I had with bigfoot from then until throughout my life. I believe is you make friends with them, they know you. From my observations, if one knows you, I would put forth to the whole Bigfoot family, no matter where they're at or where they're at through the state, they'll recognize.

21:37 You, I would agree. And I think that goes both ways too. If you're recognized as someone who has bad intentions or is not a friend, that is going to go across the family. Yes, that does. I've listened to a lot of people in Washington State and say, well, I've out looking for forty years, I've never seen the Bigfoot, And I go, what's your intentions? What are you doing? Well, we're trying to follow over during I said, if you're doing things, you know with certain expectation intentions, they're going to respond to that without a doubt. A bigfoot can read your facial expressions, it can read your body language, and it can uh understand your voice inflection. And I had never any time felt threatened by that bigfoot. It kind of felt like I had a big friend that was going to watch out for me and see that I wasn't going to get hurt while we were picking blackberries. Uh, it was curious. It definitely had intelligence. It definitely had patience because you know what teenager would put up with a six year old.

22:54 Oh, absolutely, it's It's probably one of the best accounts I've heard of them in regards to quick intelligence. It's just incredible how many points in that account it shows its quick intelligence. Yes, I'm curious. You know there are points when you actually had contact, physical contact with the bigfoot. Do you remember if didn't have a smooth skin, or do you remember anything about how that felt. It felt soft, its hair and felt very soft. Of course this was a juvenile. The skin was soft. It's definitely a very much aware of its strength because it never like grabbed me. It would touch in the hole, but it was not hard. It was very light and very gentle, and if I moved a cook to move my hand away, it would let go. Of course, it could probably see me more than I could see it, because I still had some of the screen from the top of the berry patch. Where it standing up could look up and see me more clearly, right wow, until I'd look down.

24:12 After you had this encounter, did it put you down a path right away for trying to find them again or having interactions or was there a time period before you had your next interaction. I was always curious about my friend and when we would go back there, if we went back to that same spot, I would look for it, especially on the blackbird patches. My next encounter when I saw Bigfoot was six years about six years later, ten years later, nineteen sixty nine at Killing Creek, Mount Adams, and we were camping there and it had been fishing and the older people, the family members, had decided to take a nap and there was a huckleberry patch down the road from where we were camp So I went to my mom and I asked her for her tumperware ball. I was going to go down to the huckleberry patch and cuckleberries. So I did that, and I got the ball from my mom and I up the road, uh maybe seventy five hundred yards and there was a big sloping downhill that was covered. It was a bit logged off area. It was that BlackBerry huckleberries and ferns and stuff all the

25:47 way down like one hundred and fifty yards to the woodline, and then over maybe seventy five to the opposite woodline. And as I stepped off the road to the edge of the of the patch where the huckleberries were, I heard too high pitched, two toned like people say a mechanic bird whistle. I can't whistle with like. And I just look and I look around, and I don't see nothing. And I take a step tore into the going into the patch and the huckleberry bushes and the grass like something's walking going straight away from me down the hill.

26:33 So I thought, is maybe I walked up on a deer or something. And I looked at the huckleberries near me bushes, and here's something where people miss. All of the branches on top where the berries would be were missing, like they were neatly clipped off or broken off. And I'm looking at this and this is doesn't look right. And I hear the whistle again from down at the bottom of the hill, and I look in that direction. Yeah, about fifty feet in front of me, the grass goes open and closed again. But this is going left to right on the brow of the little rolling skills as it goes down and it's motioning, and it disappears behind a stump with rotten stump has got huckleberries have going out.

27:27 And I look at that and I go, maybe I stepped on the deer. So I went a little bit further into the patch to look for huckleberries that I could pick, and I noticed at the bushes where there were not the twigs and stuff that had berries on it, next to it, there was like a pile and a scattering of twigs all about the same size, maybe a berry on it or maybe a leaf on it. Later, like in ninety seven too, I actually got to observe a female bigfoot picking huckleberries and how she would break them off and pull off with her lips and then just drop the twigs. I go. I was able to put that together, And so I kept picking the blackberries, and every now and then I see emotion in the grass, and I didn't think nothing of it. The only thing I could smell was dirt grass and ripe huckleberries. And I looked at my bucket and I wasn't getting whold.

28:33 I wasn't getting very picking huckleberries. So I decided I had I was gonna make like a cloth or a basket or something out of my T shirt. So I pulled off my sweatshirt and I laid it up on the bushes, took my T shirt off, tied it in a knot so there was no holes at the arms or sleeves. I had like a basket. And I went. As I went to put my shirt back out, I'm looking through it, and the brush right in front of me moves and I look at it, and I get the glimpse of the right side of like a head, a shoulder, a fat belly, and a hip going through the brush. And man, I come up and just hold dead still because black black, shiny hair huckleberry patted. The first thing that comes to my mind is bear, like nine ten years old. I go hold still. So I hold still, and I don't smell a bear. I don't hear a bear, I don't see it. And I wait and everything's quiet. Okay, nothing there. So I go over to the bushes and I put my little T shirt basketing into the bush and I shake the and I started getting huckleberries, and I would move along and every now and then out of the side of my eye,

30:03 i'd see that motion through the the brush. I'd catch a glimpse of black hair, a body part, but it was kind of paralleling me and going towards the opposite side of the woods. See nothing, smell nothing. Okay. So I'm doing this and I'm picking in the black huckleberries and filling up my bowl, and I'm looking down the path in front of me, and it goes. The path goes over the little hill and into the woods that I could see under the big evergreen trees, and right at the edge of the wood there's like five small hucklebars, but I can see the path between them going into the woods. So I get just about twenty feet from that spot and I'm filling up my bowl and there's the motion from my left side. The bushes are open and closing, and this time I can see the form and it's black. It's on all fours. I can't make out a distinguishable head, but I can see it's got a head. I get part of it right ear the right side of it's coming from left to right, and it's going towards the woods. So I just hold still and I have like squatted down, and I changed to a kneeling position, and I checked my bowl and the

31:35 blast and I look up looking down this path that goes under the trees, and I can't see the path underneath the tree. I go, that's odd because I previously could see underneath it. And about this time, this black form rocks back into a squatting position and I just freeze and I'm looking right at it, and it's looking at me. And I'm kneeling down and I left foot down, right, knee down, and I look right at it, maybe twenty faces away. It's looking at me, and I kind of straighten up a little bit and it at the edge of the five blue past it. It rocks up into a squatting position. I can make out the arms, the belly, and the head, and it's got the wider in the back ears on the side, flat nose is covered in black.

32:40 And I'm looking at that in my mind saying, you've seen that before. And I look at it and I know it's not a bear, and my mind is racing back, and I keep going back when I was younger. I've seen this before. I've seen this before. And so I stand up and I take a step to the right. The roads up to my right. I'm gonna go up, and I take a step to my right and it stands up. It's standing there on two feet. It's more of a left profile to me at this time. And it takes a step forward and stands yell and it turns from the waist and it's looking right at me.

33:22 The huckleberry bushes are taller where it's at, and it comes up to about its hip. I can see it from the left side of its head all the way down to its arm, and I'm looking at it. I see the head. It's got an ear on the left side. It's got a protruding like lantern jaw, and it's got eyes that can shine. It's got no visible neck. I see the shoulder. I can see its chest move. It's breathing. I can see its arm and it's wrist and its hand is down on the bush. And I'm looking at this, and I'm going in my mind is a constant telling me, you've seen this before. And so I'm watching it and it's breathing, and I start looking down the body and I hope this is generated enough. I see nipples and breasts and a big, fat, round belly, and instantly I feel myself turned red and I look down. I break contact with it because here I am. I'm nineteen years old.

34:31 So that was kind of an awkward, embarrassing moment. And finally I got enough courage to look up, and I look up at it and it's standing there, turned a little bit more towards me, and it's smiling, and it kind of has an expression on its face like a mom or a woman would get, you know, whether they a little child's body, and it got surprised or I'm embarrassed by the condition. I'm going, this is something different. This isn't you know, a person person? And so as I watch and I'm watching, and it's standing there watching me, and I'm and they're watching it. And I have the bowl of berries in my right hand. I have a shirt full of berries in my left, so I take the the sack is and I take that sack over the over the bowl and put the berries in it, holding the bottom of the bowl with my right hand, and I smooth it over with my left hand. I look over at it and it's smiling at me. It puts its hand on the bottom of its belly, it's right hand, and it takes its left hand and the same ocean I did it over the top of the bit.

35:49 It rubs on its on its belly, and then it dawning on me this is some type of a pregnant something that looks like a person. And I just looking at it, and it just smiles at you, almost like you know, a beaming first time pregnant woman would do. And so I go, well, maybe I should leave, and I'm trying to figure out, well, what's it doing. A different thought didn't occur you that maybe because it was pregnant, it might have been hungry, and maybe it wanted to share some of the buckleberries with me, which I think I could have done. And so I start walking away on the edge of the road and it walks along and it's watching me, and I get to one spot and it looks at me and it turns to the right and goes down over the hill. And as I walked to the edge of the road, it pops into my head the BlackBerry patch when I was six years old, and I'm going, Okay, this is a different bigfoot and it's obviously it's a pregnant female bigfoot, and I was thinking what was going on? And then later through the years that I reminisceed on this, it became very simple, or maybe it was something that the Bigfoot was allowing

37:20 me to finally put together. Really, what would a first time pregnant mom or bigfoot do? They would watch other children, and I believe because I was a child and she was an expected mom, that she was watching me. And so that's what it was for me on that day with that bigfoot that was a mount Like I said, at Mount Adams Killing. Creek, that's incredible. Do you remember anything about the details of the teeth when it smiled at you.

38:00 Yes, their teeth are like ours, they are only bigger. They do not have canines like gorillas or chimpanzees are dude, they don't. Their teeth are like ours, only bigger. I learned in nineteen seventy two where I got to sit in the Huckleberry Pass with a family of bigfoot against next to a mom who was like eight feet away from me. She opened her mouth and yawned, and then I could counter teeth and see her teeth. They do not have canine teeth like we would perceive can nine teeth.

38:44 For it teeth like gorillas and you know long fact, no, their teeth are like ours. They're just sticker and bigger. Wow. The Mitch Townsend in his book The Teeth of a Bigfoot from bite marks, and what he is describing in his book is exactly what I saw. That is very interesting. That's a name that comes up every once in a while. Yestch to take it to the bank when he puts in that book about their teeth structure. And like I said, I have seen their mouth up close and how he described them and from the bite marks of their teeth.

39:32 My observations to what he wrote is a match. And seeing something at age six is definitely different than seeing something at age nineteen, sorry age nine. Did that sighting at a little older did that affect you in a different way than your initial sighting or did you kind of have this reaction after. I had, I felt a confirmation in myself that this was the same animal, only a female as to what I saw when I was younger, and I had always wanted to see them again because this, to me was a friend. Okay, I know that this wasn't the same one, but it was the same being creature animal really hammoned that i'd seen before.

40:34 Gotcha, it's extremely interesting, it sounds like. So that was nineteen sixty nine, and just a few years after that than you had an even more. Yes, yeah, that was Let's see, that was okay. In sixty nine, the day that Armstrong landed on the Moon, that I was up at the same spot, only I was on the other side of the creek. It's killing creek, and I was fishing, and I'm fishing, you know, and there was birds and stuff, and all of a sudden it went quiet, and I hear that whistle again. But I'm kind of facing the creek. Off to my right, about thirty feet is this big dead first snag about four foot across, and I never thought to look in that direction. And I look around and I don't see anything.

41:40 So I go back to fishing. I catch a fish, I throat on the bank, and back to fishing, and I hear like a rock on wood back and I turn and I look in the I don't see anything. And again I don't pay attention to the snag, and I look and I look and I look, and I don't see see anything. So I go back to fishing, and all of a sudden dirt, pine clones and rock go across the ground in front of me and next to my foot. So I go, okay, who's throwing stuff at me? And I turned a little bit to the right and I look, and I look at the dump that snag around it. I don't see nothing, and I go, this is, you know, back to fishing. And I'm back to fishing, and I get pelted again with pebbles, rocks and dirt. At this time it goes across my foot, and I know somebody's playing with me or trying to get my attention, so I turn even more to the right.

42:45 So the creek is on my left side, killing creek. I'm fishing right as a clear cut areas puckleberries, and there's that big stump again on my right and I look and I don't see nothing. So I go back to fishing, and about this time, out of my right side, I seet motion and I look up and here's this socker size rock flying through the air and it hits in the water in front of me, and I go something they threw something at me or something through something. So I turned to the right, and for some reason, my attention focused on the big snag, and I see the left arm come back, and I uh ah. So I turn and look facing directly at the snag, and I see this head and body lean out from the left side, its left side, from towards me on this big dead snag. And I'm looking at that, and I go, that's big. And it puts hicks a side step, and it puts both its hands up on this snag and it kind of like a bear would sidewalk or on the stag. And I'm looking at this and I go,

44:17 you don't fool me. You're not a bear. There's no snout, there's no ears on top of the head. Now, if you remember the old time wrestler Haystack Calhoun, he was six four and six hundred and fifty pounds. This critter is three foot bigger AND's got him by three hundred pounds. So this is big. And being a at that time a little older, I turn and look at it, and the first thought that comes to my mind is who is this throwing rocks at me? And then it dawns on me. That's not clothes, that's hair. It's brown, it's black.

45:01 It's got some lighter streakings on the torso it's a male. I can see that it's not closed. And this thing, like I said, is about nine foot tall, a good nine nine hundred pounds, and he's just standing there looking at me, and I'm standing looking at it, and it sways a little bit and it goes. Now I go back at it, and I stand up and look at it, and it has its right hand up on the dead snag in it brings its left arm over and crosses over in front and puts it on its left arm, and it's standing there looking at me, and I'm watching it, and I got a pretty good idea of what it is.

45:53 It's a male bigfoot, and like, what's he doing there? And I can see the path. The only thing I can figure is it was coming down on that path to get maybe get a drink of water. And I was sitting there in front of it. But it was curious as to what I was and what I was doing. I was fishing. So I watch it and eventually it kind of rocks a little bit. Then from the waist it turns to its left and then the body turns around and it starts walking away from me. So I go, I'm going to see this I start walking behind it. I'm not afraid of I got an idea, and I'm pretty sure what it is. I just walk behind it.

46:35 And as I walk behind it, I get to the snag and it stops. It turns and looks to its left and looks back. I stopped the standing side still. I don't tell me, don't follow it. I'm watching it as it walks away. I can see the muscles in his back move. I can see the muscles and his legs move. I can see the bar of its foot and it comes up, it comes down on the ground, how the weight transfers. I'm not close to it. I'm maybe thirty five feet behin it, walking a little bit behind it. And I get to where the stump this dag is and I look down and I can see on the ground where it pulled the big rock out of the ground and threw it at me into the creek.

47:22 And there on the ground in the path is about an eighteen to nineteen inch track. About six feet in front of it is another going straight to that creature. So I do this was a male bigfoot, and that was on the same day that Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon. I saw mister Bigfoot up close and personal, and again I believe I saw it not by so much by coincident, but because I had seen and interacted with them before. It could have been a coincidence or we just happened to be the same place at the same time. But I never felt threatened. I felt that the whistle and the rock clock, and even the throwing the stuff at my foot and the big rock in the creek, it was trying to get my attention. It was trying to get me to look at it. I don't think it was trying to scare me away. It made no aggressive most it was more curious, like I'm here, do you see me? But then it turning walked away.

48:29 I guess I had occupied its time, spend enough. And that was July twenty first, sixty nine. Yeah, okay, yeah, why do you think you returned the same noise it made to you. Through the years that I've been around them, I've learned to Bigfoot make certain vocalizations, right. They also make certain noises with rock and sticks. Most people that are around Bigfoot don't put two and two together, or haven't heard him make rock clacks, you know, wooden knocks or vocalizations whistles say they don't know what it is. I've heard it before, I've seen him do it, so I know in my mind it's like guys, I can recognize it.

49:23 This is what that is. And over the years I've learned to look and listen for that. I've had them walk along side of me through the woods, juveniles and adults, And when I'm aware that there's ones there, it's like I can feel them there there. I hear them there by the sounds that they make, by the sounds that their foot makes when they're walking. People that say you can't tell the difference between the deer walking and the bigfoot, that's other nonsense. You sure can. A hard cloven hoof makes a different sound hits the ground as compared to that big, flat, flappy foot of a big foot. And people say, well, we don't see the tracks. You've got to understand the area of that foot can display seven hundred and fifty pounds of weight per square inch, So you got a fifteen inch track, which is basically a eight foot tall bigfoot that six hundred and fifty pounds.

50:34 Unless there's snow or soft ground, you're not gonna see complete tracks because that foot can displace that weight on the ground. It's the makeup of the soil that they're walking on. I've found tracks that were quite clear. I have found tracks on hard baked clay that you might find a toll print, but if you look in the general direction, you'll pick up scuff marks. And it's because of that big foot that you don't see a lot of tracks, because they can displace that body weight. You see that there's that progression right still as a young and I still believe it's because of meeting that one when I was six, that they were there and maybe this bigfoot was checking up on me like I was a friend. I believe the family, the family's the bigfoot.

51:35 If they see one person, it appears that they all seem to recognize that person, they choose that person to befriend, and through research and reading a lot of reports and other people's observations, I believe that is true, that they'll check up on a friend, see how you're growing, what you're doing. That's my belief. That's really interesting was then the next interaction you had with the family. This was in nineteen seventy two. This one was verified by the BFRO because another people that were there at that day saw two of the four that I saw.

52:24 We had went up to Lake Cushman, and again this was in July, the beginning of huckleberry season, and there were four of us and we got to camp late in the afternoon and made camp and fire and it was getting on towards dark, and people were coming in and out of the camps and we were listening and it was dark, and we heard this high pitched, like hysterical scream, like a woman screaming in hysteria. Like everybody just kind of freezes and looks up the hill. What on earth is this? And it's followed by a more like baritone scream wah, and then like a child screaming.

53:08 And this is going on back and forth, and we're talking there. In other cameras, they go and they thought it was kyots, and I go, no, that's that's too loud, and it doesn't have that yap yap that kyotes do when they're when they're howling. And there's other prison well, maybe it's a cougar screaming. I go, no, that's not a cougar screaming. It didn't have that waw a cat in it when the cougar screams. And I've been out in the woods a lot. My dad had hunting dogs and they'd hunt bear and cougar and with the dogs and out deer hunting. And I have heard bear noises, I've heard cougar noises, deer noises, elk noises. Just about anything that's out there that makes a noise, I've heard it.

54:01 So this is going on, and people start adding a little extra woodard fire, and about this time, this woman comes in and she says she was walking up and she heard the screams, and she says, I thought I saw a mountain gorilla across the road. And I look at the people, look at myself. There's no mountain gorillas in Washington State around Lake Cushman. And she's seeing something. Maybe she saw a bear or something. And so we're all talking, and I told my friends and said, I'm pretty good at hunting tracking. I'm going to get up at the morning in the morning and I'm going to walk up the old road up towards where I heard that sound coming from. So it got first light and I got dressed and I was wearing khaki pants and brown sweatshirt and had a hat on and had long hair, and so I start walking up. I cross this wooden bridge and this is a major Kent site on Lake Cushman, and there's a little bridge with a rusty gate, and I go across the bridge to the main road and I start walking up the road and I'm gone fifty seventy five yards and down in the gulch, which is stick with ferns and trees and huckleberries, I hear branches breaking.

55:30 Something's moving below me, and I hear it sounds like squirrel chatter, and I just stop because I'd never heard that before. What is that? And I got I'm on the high ground above it, and I don't They had no idea I was above them, And so I listen and I hear it move, and I move with it, going up the road, and I keep hearing the chatter, brandes breaking and stuff like that. And I'm looking at my watch. It's maybe five thirty in the morning. It's light, but I don't see anybody. And I keep walking and it stops. It would break a branch, it would stop, and I'd walk when it moved. I moved. When it's stopped I stop, and I keep looking down, trying to look down through the trees and the brush, the ferns, the huckleberrys, to see what's blown me. And as I'm come it up, I come to a tree and I stop, and I look down, and I see two figures turn around and go down over the hill, and I'm looking at it. It's a blonde color phase. It's like a boufont hairstyle from the back, and the other one short comes up to about its waist and it goes back done in the gulch, and I go, wait a minute.

56:56 I know I was the first one out of camp that morning, and you know by the harrison, I says, what would a girl be doing out here? A mom and her daughter bushwhacken at this time of the morning. It disappears, and pretty soon I hear the chatter again, and I hear the bench branches breaking, so I parallel them again. I got the high ground. I'm going to keep the high ground on them. And as they're coming up almost to the crest of the of the road, I'm standing there by this tree and I'm looking about seventy to fifty seventy five yards in front of me. And the shadow moves and I just stand still and hug that tree. And it steps up to the edge of the road. And this thing is nine foot tall.

57:39 It's black, it is huge, and my mind goes, I know what that is, no doubt about it. That's a bigfoot. It turns from the waist, it looks up the right towards me, up the road. It turns to the left, looks down the road. It goes across that road in two steps, ten percent grade thick, and he goes up that like he's walking on flat ground. And I go, naha, I know what that is. I've seen that before. That's a bigfoot. But then I don't know what's on the left side of me. So I walk a little bit further and I hear it again, and I go, where's going to find out? If a human steps on a branch or breaks a branch, don't take that next step.

58:28 So I reach up and grab this dead branch and I go snap, and I stand still. Everything blow me stops, and I go, Okay, if it's a person, they're gonna take that next step nothing. I go, okay, this is not personal. A little while later, I hear it moving again, so I move and I'm at this a clearing. It's got stumps and huckleberries in it. It's got old girls huckleberries. And I step off the road and I sit down in a stump behind like three little huckleberry bushes, and there's a little four inch stump next to my left foot, and I just sit down and I'm eating huckleberry, just picking him. It's quiet, and to my left, about eight ten feet away, this blond brown arm comes out, grabs a hold of the huckleberries and pulls it back. And I saw that arm. That arm was four and a half five foot long, big long hand, blonde brown hair.

59:42 Coloring on the hair looked almost like the bleach color of an Alaskan grizzly, but there's no grizzly in this bar of the country. And I'm watching it and it pulls back and I can see a form just inside the edge of the brush line. And I look and I see like a tan hourglass looking in my direction. I just sit stead still and watch. I don't know anything but my eyes, and I'm watching it, and pretty soon I pick up another like an hourglass on its side mask wa tan colored, and I pick up the eyes.

1:00:24 They're in front of whatever that face is. And I'm looking and I can make an outline of two figures east inside the brush. So I just sit still, and pretty soon the one that's a little further away, it turns to its left and it's on off and it kind of goes over the crest of a hill and I pick up the back of the head. It's blonde colored, there's no neck. I can see ears on the side, covered in fine air, and it disappears over the over into the brush, and I go, what was that about? This time? On the left, about eight feet away from me, this big animal comes out on all fours and sits down eight ten feet in front of me. I am sitting just behind its right shoulder, like I said, eight to ten feet away, and my head comes up to the bottom of its armpit. And I'm five nine and this thing is sitting down, So it's I figure sitting down on the ground. This thing has to be seven seven and a half foot tall, and it's got that buffont hairstyle. There's no visible neck. Its head is about twenty inches wide twenty two inches high. It's wider in the back than the front, and I can see its back, its shoulder blades, it's side cheeks, sitting with its feet

1:01:56 and legs kind of pulled up to the right side. It sitting on his left cheek, and I can see the feet in the legs, and I go, I'm going to just sit still and watch to see what this is. So I just sit there and I'm watching, and I said, I'm wondering if this is the two animals that I saw come up the road that was done in the bust that tear and went back down. So as I'm watching, it straightens out and turns a little bit more to the right, looks in my direction, and I don't move it all. I just sit still. I think, well, it doesn't know i'm there. And again I'm behind its right shoulder, and it turns a little bit more to the right and it starts picking the huckleberry snap off the trigs, suck them off off the twig, the berries and the leaves, and there's that same sucking sounds i'd heard before, and it drops those twigs right straight down. So I go, okay, this is eating. And as I'm watching it, it turns a little bit more to the right and it flips its eyes towards me, but a little bobby and I just looked out. I go, is it looking at me?

1:03:11 And it looks away and I look at it and it looks back and I look down. And we do this about five or six times that I figured does it see me? If I'd looked just past it, I'd have found the answer to that question. So it turns a little bit more and it's feeding, and then it turns and looks in my direction. Again. I don't look at it. I just sit still, and then I go, I think it knows I'm here. And I remember what Jane Goodall in her studies with chimp said, act like your part of what's going on. So I start picking buckleberries and eating them, and I look over and there's the eyeballs looking right at me, and it kind of looks at me, and it reaches over and it picks up, picks a trig of lockberries and does the suck them off bit and drops it. And I kind of look at it and smile and I'm tired, and it stretches and yawns. And when it yawns, like I said, I'm eight to ten feet off to its side. It opens its mouth, and I'm looking full into its mouth. I can see its teeth. It has a tongue like ours.

1:04:25 It's teeth are like ours. They're bigger, no big long cane. Iides, and it's yawns, and I try to cover my face and not yawn, and I yawn at it and I go, oh no, Diane Feinstein says in her studies of mountain gorillas, showing your teeth as a sign of aggression. I go oop, I don't want to do that. I look down. I cover my face and I yawn again, and I well slip my eyes to the left, and there she is. She's yawning, covering her mouth, looking at me, and I go, oh, my gosh. She knows I'm there, and she's looking at me, and she's mimicking what I'm doing. And she sits up and I sit up and I can see it's a female.

1:05:16 It's got breast blonde brown colorformation. And she turned a little bit more, and. She's sitting kind of on the side, and she's eating, and so I'm eating and she'd look at me, and I'd look at her, and all of a sudden, she kind of straightens up and she rolls her eyes up and she looks. Behind me and she buries her teeth and like a grimace, and I go, oh, is she telling me I'm too close or something? I just look down and I turn and I looked to the right behind me, and across the road, on the edge of the brush there's this big black form like it's sitting there like a stomper, and I attention to it. The male had walked up the hill, turned around and come back down and sat down behind me. And he was there all the time watching, I found out when I did some tracking later. So I'm watching her and she goes back to feeding, and she comes up to the left hand to her mouth, and she puts a bunch of chewed berries and leaves in her left home and she reaches out towards these three clumps of that has like a little stump in it, off to her left. My eyes are right on that hand.

1:06:37 I'm watch in that hand, And as it gets towards the clump, that little stump goes over into all four and the hand comes out and it takes the berries and the two leaves from the mom's hand and pops it in his mouth, and I go, ah, that's a toddler, but it's not the same one that I saw, and so I'm watching it. She does this a couple of times, and I'm just sitting there, and I decide I'm gonna sit still and watch or did the other one go? Because this little one is not the same one that I saw. It was just a little further over. And so I'm watching it, and I've sit there and I take my left hand and I put it down on my left knee next to the bush, and all of a sudden, this little doll like face with golf ball sized eyes, a little bit of hair on its face, like a crew cut black. You could see the skin color of his belly, and it's under its arm kind of like a natural tan deer and a pasty white.

1:07:43 It's looking right at me and smiling, and it takes its right hand and puts it on the bush to the right of it, and I go, it's watching me, and so it pulls it back, and I pull myne back and then it takes its left one puts it over on the brush, and it looks at I mean, I take my left hand and I do the same back at it. It gets excited. Man, you can see the excitement. And we start doing this, and it sticks its left foot out the one side of the bush. I stick my left foot out. It sticks its right foot out, and I stick my right foot out, and I'm about to die. I'm playing with whatever this is. And we're mimicking each other, back and forth, back and forth.

1:08:24 And I bent down behind the bush. I'm gonna look up and it drops down behind the bush and I look out of the corner of my eye and the mom does the exact same thing, and I'm going, are they mimicking me? Are they playing with me? But occasional is you do the same thing. So it comes up. He does that, and the sun's bitting a little brighter. And I got my hat, so I go down and I put my hand over the brim of the hat baseball hat, and I look up and I look across. He comes up, but he's doing the exact same thing, and I'm trying not to laugh. I am I'm so excited. This little one and I are playing back and forth, and it ducks back down. I ducked down. Mom ducks down and I raise up and I point at it.

1:09:13 He raises up and points back at me and I go, this is interesting. So I decided, well, maybe I can talk to it. So I very quietly when it come up, and it comes up and I point at it and it points at me, and I go very softly, I see you, And the mom said, and right she whirls around towards me, throwing dust and dirt and backs up, and I go, I scared it. I never thought, dawn on me that it probably has never heard a human speak that close. I think because of my appearance, she thought I was another juvenile bigfoot. And she backs up, and the little guy drops on all fours and it lets out a whimper, and she he sued me. He later puts out its hand, palm up towards its mom, and I go, I've saw that before and again watching Jane Goodall on the Chimps and Diane Bonci. The mom reaches out with her left hand and she takes its hand, and there's some communication back in from more like grunts, and I take a deep breath and I'm gonna try this.

1:10:27 The minute she looks back, I reached my hand out towards her, palm up the same thing as I see the baby not going I'm gonna hold still. I'm not gonna make eye contact with her. She comes up to me on all six She's on her feet, her knees and her hand coming towards me, and they have a med tarsal break in their foot or joint where you want to call it. And I can see the front part of her foot is flat on the ground, but the back part and the heels up off the ground. There's that flex, there's that joint. And she comes over and I still have my hand out, and I'm thinking to myself, is this a wise idea? She could grab me and throw me in the lake from here. She reaches over and she takes my hand in hers. Now, my hand is five inches wide and nine inches long, and my palm in my hand fits between the the knuckle of her thumb and the first finger joint, and her fingers could wrap around and touch the back of my wrist. And I go, okay. She holds my hand and I look at her and I go, I'm sorry.

1:11:37 I didn't mean to scare you. And I take my hand slowly and just put it on my lap, and she's looking at me like, how did you do to do that? She just calm surprised look, and she backs up and sits down. I just holds still and I'm watching her, and she reaches out and the stump is next to my left foot. She taps on it three times, and I go I think she wants my attention. And I reached down and I tap it three times back at her, and she comes up on all fours and she looks me right in the face. And I look her right in the face, and I figure, I'm looking at a prehistoric human, not a giant wood ape. This is more human looking, even though it has ape like behavior and features. This is a human. It's a prehistoric ancestor.

1:12:37 It doesn't smell bad. It has a very expressive face. And she's looking at me right in the face. And I look at her and I talk to her again. I say again, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to frighten you. And I figure she's going to leave, and she sits down almost next to me, and I look at it. I'm nineteen years old and I am just bought ready to burst of excitement. Here's this animal that people say does not exist. It's sitting with an arms length of me. There's a toddler twolve feet away from me, and it's playing with me, and I am really trying to stay calm, not jump out of my skin with excitement because I am here having an up close and personal encounter with a mother sasquatch and a toddler. And she sits down and watch me, and she starts feeding and I start feeding, and all of a sudden, the brush with a little one.

1:13:37 He grabs for the bus. He goes. He shakes it at me, and I grab the bus and I go back at him, and he starts. We start doing this, playing back and forth, arm leg purs thiste this way up down, and the mom sitting there and she kind of looks over at me and rolls her eyes and looks at the little one, who rolls her eyes, and I look at her, go you obnoxious, big sister. And we just keep playing like this and find I get tired, and I said, well, maybe I should let them go. And I put my arm on my elbow, on my knee and my hand in my chin. The little one does the same thing, and the mom does the same thing, and she turns from the waist and she shows me her backside and she crawls away from me and I think, okay, she's gonna go, and she reaches out and she pulls up the youngster and she goes over the bank behind this tree, and I figure, she's going to put this tree behind me and go down, or she's going to cut to the right. And as she goes over all since she comes up, she stood up the walk and as she stood stands up against my eating of the tree, here comes the bond head and shoulders across like, well, there's the other one. It was just over the hill from where it crosses over joins the mom and they disappeared behind the tree. When they disappear behind the tree, i'm I'm down on like all fours and I shoot about twenty feet to my right because there's where the trails intersecting. One comes up to the road and I

1:15:08 get over there to the edge and I kneel down. And as I kneel down, and it's grinding pine cones and dirt, and I go there's something. I knock something loose. And I turned and looked to my left and about fifteen feet away, five foot tall female blonde brown is a juvenile female bigfoot and she just she has this look like a bashful little girl like whoop, you saw me? And I just look at it. And about this time, off to my right, I hear whow crash goes a tree and I turn and I look to my right and I go distraction, and I see it. I turned back to the left and the juvenile he rolls run and takes off, running full tilt down the hill and I look over and the male he goes up the bank into the woods, and I go, why did he do that? He's been watching me. I didn't realize, but there were four other people. The other people that verified they saw him and the female coming up, and he saw them. I guess there were too many people around because I was well within its comfort zone of the mother, the toddler, and the other one. And so I turned and I look, and this blonde brown streak comes firing off the corner running through there's a group of Douglas

1:16:43 first saplings of our ten twelve foot tall and she goes through them like a D eight cat man. She goes right through them, and she's jumping and stepping over logs and steps, stumps and logs that we'd have to jump over, and she cools down about sixty five yards of seventy yards blow me and stand still and turns up and looking at me. She has that slope like appearance at the and she's standing there looking at me, and I go, okay, there's and I watched the juvenile running around and go behind the mom and I'm looking where's the toddler? Where's the baby? And I go, did I scare them? Did she lose the baby? And I'm looking around. I looked the area that she ran with the other one ran and I couldn't see nothing. And she makes a vocalization. I can't hear it, but I feel like a vibration on me. That's that role infra sound line of sight. And so I look at her and she's looking in my direction, but her trying to see it's like she's looking below me, and so I come up to answer. I look down ten feet below me, about two feet away, there's some huckleberries, and I see this little button in the fetal position sticking out from behind it. There's the toddler. It's on the ground and I'm looking at it and I kneel down and I say very sof to it, I can see you, and it jumps up. It stands up and it's looking to

1:18:16 my right across in the direction of the mail. It sighs and it's looking around, and I go, it's looking for its mom, but it's looking at me at the other and its mom is straight down below it. So I take my hand. I put my hand up, and it washed my hand and I make like a pointer and I point really slowly down and it's mom. It pulls its hand up. It makes it like a pointer. It turns from the waist, it points and sees its mom. It whips you around and it has this big expression on its face, like you found my mommy. I'm chuckling and I go, hey, I didn't scare you. That was your dad or whoever that was throw down the tree and growled, and it looks at me. But then it kind of got but it's nerves too much, and it ticks off, running down the hill and there's a log about twenty feet in front of it. It's about five foot and its hits it with its left hand and it bolts it and it comes up. Its feet are apart.

1:19:15 He running down that hill. Sometimes he would swing on a branch. It would It could teach Marshall and Lynch, broken Field running. It goes down and it's stopped by the mom, and I hear the vocalizations again. It's got its arms up and the mom touches it, and I can read that by language. Mom picked me up. Mom doesn't pick it up, and it's there, and I'm watching it, and like a toddler holds onto its mom's dress or pant leg, it does that, and it steps in behind it. It's mom and she's standing there left profile and it's to her, in front of her, but walking. It's behind him, and I keep watching and pretty soon it like he does tree peak, It peeks out from behind its mom, and I point at it and I go, I can see you, and it pops back up and I hear some more vocalizations, and all of a sudden, she turns and he turns and he points up the hill at me, and I hear a definite four syllable vocalization. And I discussed it with Scott Taylor, who talks to doctor Johnson, the linguist, and according to what they told me the native megaicine, what the vocalization basically meant was and so it is, or so you do I see you, and it was answering back, and so it turns and the

1:20:50 monitor and it starts walking down the bank towards the woods. And I got my right arn and by my side, and I just raised my arm and I waved at it at the two and he's looking back, and like a todther would wag at you, it weighs back at me, and it disappears over the bank, and I go, all right, I'm gonna do two things. I'm gonna walk over to where that tree got thrown down and see what I can do. And I walk over there, and this tree was dead, snags thrown down. It split almost like a twenty five foot tall spear is on the ground. And as I walk back towards the where the stump would be, it smells like someone we turned an outhouse over. And I walk a little bit farther and there on the ground is two piles of fresh, steaming poop. And then on one side of the water drainies on the side of the road is a footprint. On the other side is another footprint the size of a like a football bigger.

1:21:55 The male had been sitting behind me all the time. He got up a threw down that tree. I think that was a warning, and I looked to see what he was looking at. From that position, I could see her rise sitting and as I'm looking over the bank, I see the tops of the heads of four people coming up. He had seen seen them, and the did that one bark for the family, and I talked to them as we walked back to camp, and they said they saw him go up the hill to the there left my right, and the daughter said she saw one or two that were like a light brown colored go the other way and go, yeah, that's with the other ones.

1:22:41 So we walked out and I told him what I'd seen, and I got back to my where I came to my friends, go what did you see? I said, if I told you, you wouldn't believe me. But I eventually did tell him, and that is now that written. Indeed, that's the one siding that I get the most questions about, because like the first one and the other sidings, those were all first time encounters with a bigfoot. The later ones I would have in eastern Washington are with a family of bigfoot that is camped that live in the area that we camp. At lenn This is absolutely incredible. It's probably one of the most incredible accounts that I've ever heard. We had talked about those pages you have written. You have got to make this into a book so it's not lost to time events.

1:23:38 No, it took me a while to get all my notes I got took me a while to get all my notes back together. I don't type, it's all can written. They're all very descript of what I've seen. I have drawings and pictures of glyphs, and they do communicate with you and with others with glyphs. Also, they make the wood structures glyphs. Some are for you, ones that they leave for you you'll know it. Others are between them. Some are arn't. Some are like a map of tom cantrellsis.

1:24:21 I shouldn't be able to read them oh ectual for general ones, but I've had the ability since I've had that contact with them to it. It's like I'm reading something and it will jump up off the page. I know what that means, and it comes from the interacting with the Bigfoot. They choose who they will be friends with, they choose who they will show themselves with. Most people that are out in the words to see a big foot. The first thing they do is point out, scream yell, point a gun. Uh, they're gone. Are you talking about a bit you bigfoot or a non habituated bigfoot? I've seen both. Looking glassing across the canyon. I see this black form by a rock. Okay, I put the glasses on it. It's an animal sitting there. I crank it up.

1:25:14 I get a little reflection off my thing. It turns and looks at me and stands up. It was over a mile away looking at me, and I was looking at it. That was ann not a habituated bigfoot. They're very, very elusive. They'll see you before and they're generally gone. The ones that most people have encounters with are habituated people. Being habituated to people who has both positive and negative consequences. You've got to leave your fear at home. If you show fear, you're gonna get a negative response from them. I, for the most tart have just been either sitting down or stop walking and then seeing him. One in the Eastern Washington family that I interact with, Lord's juvenile. He used to walk along and follow me walking through the woods.

1:26:13 Every now and then he'd peek out at me where I could see and when I walk in the area, and I'd become aware that he was there. In a very calm, quiet voice, I would say, come walk with me. And after a while he would step out and see me, and I would walk along and I would say, hey, company, are you there. I've got company again. And I was walking out and eventually he walked up next to me, and that was a lifetime thing. I was going to try and take his picture. I took my phone out, turned it on, put my hands in front of my body, and turned to and then I realized, no, that's a defensive thing in their body length. That means go away.

1:27:03 He backed straight up away from me. And a lot of people gotta if you see when you gotta learn their body language. You see pictures of people describe a bigfoot brings its hands up in front of it and kind of like push away, and then the turns that's go away or I'm gonna leave. That's that body language. They reach out a palm up like mothers a baby. That's that's a greeting. That's a comfort thing. Woodlocks are a form of communication. Rock clocks are a form Sometimes you can get away with imitating what they do, like I shake a bush and shake a bush back at him.

1:27:43 But you got to keep your personal security and responsibility because, as one friend of mine found out up there, he heard a bigfoot banging rocks back and forth, and he started banging the rocks and the same thing. Well, I guess in bigfoot culture he would just you just challenged the big dom male. And he said, like in the God That's the King Kong movie, he said, he came down that hill towards him, and he said, I got on my claw and I was out of there before he got there. You hear that whah like a bark. That's some that's a communication that a male will do.

1:28:25 You hear like squirrel chatter, that's generally between a mother and juvenile. I've been up at night and I put some beans and stuff out on the rock, and I kept hearing like turkey calls. Turkeys don't puck at night, turkeys are in the tree. And I got up and went over there. In the morning, I went over there. All the beans were gone, There was no feathers, there was no poop, but a lot of the brush had been pressed down. Okay, And it's like Yeah, they were there. There's lots of pros and cons about gifting and leaving food for them. I leave food gifts for them. Some they'll take, somebody won't.

1:29:12 Lynn. I I could talk to you for absolute hours. I would love to continue this conversation on a later date if possible. That's possible. Yeah, no problem. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. Yeah, I'll be gone in October from like the tenth to the twenty seconds. That's when I go over hunting, and that's when I go over and do some work and research with the Bigfoot family that's over there. Yeah, we definitely need to continue this. I feel you have probably some of the most detailed information I've ever heard. But thank you so much for sharing. Okay, You've learned so far, and I look forward to chatting with you at a future date as well. Lynn, Okay, I had fun. It's all to help you and others understand Bigfoot.

1:29:57 Yes, sir, thank you, thank you. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

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