Jan. 10, 2025

Hippie Commune Sasquatch Encounter! (A Collection of Interviews) | Oregon

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron delves into captivating Bigfoot encounters from three distinct regions: the Sixes River area in Oregon, Atoka County, Oklahoma and the Quabbin Reservoir region in Massachusetts. Join us as Ladema...

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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron delves into captivating Bigfoot encounters from three distinct regions: the Sixes River area in Oregon, Atoka County, Oklahoma and the Quabbin Reservoir region in Massachusetts. Join us as Ladema recounts her fascinating experiences living on a commune near the Sixes River in Oregon, describing chilling incidents involving Bigfoot. We also hear from Cindy, who vividly recalls her current day dealings with a Sasquatch in Atoka County, Oklahoma. Chris brings us back to his unforgettable sighting of a Bigfoot near the Quabbin Reservoir in Massachusetts back in 1992. Don't miss this episode that spans from one side of the country to the other!

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Big for Society And now let's get on with the show,

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all right, Big Forat Society. I've got the privilege of

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talking to Laedema tonight. She reached out to me about

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some really interesting things that she experienced around the Sixes

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River area of Oregon a little while ago. But Laedima,

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so glad to talk to you tonight. How are things

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going good?

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Good? Thank you for having.

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Me absolutely And it sounds like it's a very interesting story.

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I'm going to let you go ahead and launch right

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into it and share what you would like regarding this story.

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Okay, I was about eighteen and I met a girl

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that knew some people that lived on this eighty acre

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property right off Six's River Road on a commune, and

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I was really interested in what that would be like

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and had nothing going on in my life. I lived

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in Las Vegas, and she was passing through, and so

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I cooked up with her and we hitchhiked from Las

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Vegas up to Six's River, Oregon. And when we got

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up there, we stopped at a house that was up there,

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and immediately they started talking about Bigfoot, in their experiences

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with Bigfoot, and all kinds of tales. Like they were

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telling me about how they were out side in the

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bushes or trees over on the left side of their house,

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which the house is still there, trees have grown up,

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but the trees started moving and stuff, and their dog,

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a large lab, started barking and ran into the bushes

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whatever it was, which from what I've seen, that's not

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normal for the animals, but this one did, and whatever

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it was through the dog out of the bushes, out

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of the trees and bushes, And so that was one

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of their tales that they told my friend that night,

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because it was like dusk it was getting dark, went

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across the street with their little girl to the river.

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There was like a sandbar over there, and came back

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screaming because they felt the ground shaking, and come back

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screaming into the house. But it's big.

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But about that time I was like, okay, because I

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don't think I really heard anything about Bigfoot too much

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at that point until I got up there.

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We stayed there that night talking and stuff to these people,

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and I was getting to know them and stuff. And

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then of course they were looking at me like a

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city girl up here on the mountains, wanting to experience.

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They knew I was in for a big treat. But

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what year is this, nineteen seventy six? Wow, okay, nineteen

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seventy six. It was hardly anybody that lived on Six's

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River Road. Hardly anybody. Now, there was some construction going on.

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I think they were building the campgrounds Six's River Camp

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campgrounds and the Edison Recreation Campgrounds. Right there wasn't even

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built yet, no houses. One person lived on the river

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side of the road, a man, a hippie guy that

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had lived there for a while. He had that a

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framed house on that side of the river, or the road.

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But other than that, he was the only one that

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was on that side of the road, on the river

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side of the road at that time. And then the

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eighty acres there was maybe about five or six people.

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They had goats, that everything was natural. There was no sugar,

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no tobacco, no nothing. Everything was grown up there and

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it was a real commune. And I guess some lady

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had eighty acres there and let these hippies live there.

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And in the morning we were told that the cabin

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that we were going to stay in, which was across

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the river, had been burnt down by the construction people

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who were getting rid of all the homesteaders at that time,

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and that we had to go further up into the

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mountain to stay in this other cabin up there. And

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of course I'm like, I have no idea what I'm

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in for or anything. And so we get escorted up

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the road like a mile past everybody, and across the river.

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We crossed the river on big boulders that were there.

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I looked and lift up the river recently and they're

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not there no more. I think there was a couple

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of them, but yeah, I couldn't find where we had

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crossed the river to go up about a half a

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mile up the mountain. And to go up the mountain

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was like a trail I'm assuming now that it was

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an animal trail of some sort. We had to cross

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over a big tree that had fallen across the ravine

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and the top of the trees were at the bottom

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of this fallen tree. We had to walk across this

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tree and have moss on it and stuff. I actually

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think I belly crawled across it the first time because

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I was afraid. Yeah, So anyway, we got to the cabin.

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The cabin was hand and built. It was maybe were

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maybe about six not even six foot tall, maybe five

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foot tall all the way around. It was built up

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against a big tree. There was a big piece of

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plastic that was the roof, and there was a barrel

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that they made for a stove of some sort. It

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was hidden up there. You used kerosene for light and stuff.

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There was some books and stuff. They had handbuilt a

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couple of like a bunk bed there, and the refrigerator

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was a hole in the ground underneath the bunk bed

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the bottom bed. So it was pretty primitive. And then

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you walk down to the river to take a bath.

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It was real, real considering, So you.

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Were eighteen, you hitchhiked from Las Vegas to Middle and

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nowhere in nineteen seventy six to a hippie commune, and

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then once you get to the commune, you have to

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go way even further out and cross us a river

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on a mossy log, and then there's half a cabin

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that has a tarp for a roof, And right, what

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were you thinking at that point where you're like, I'm

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in trouble or you're like, okay, this is cool.

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Whatever I was thinking, Okay, I guess so I didn't

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even It's funny because I didn't think about bear. I

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didn't think I was told that where the cabin was

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on the corner of a bear and a cat, like

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right there, and it didn't even dawn on me that

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I should probably have bear spray, or I should probably

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have a gun, or I should probably have some sort

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of protection, a knife, even a butter knife. I mean,

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I didn't have anything. Oh wow, I had nothing. I

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had nothing. I was just a free spirit and just

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that was it. And I actually, I don't know, I

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don't know if you know that there back in the day,

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there was these flip flops, but they weren't really flip flops.

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They were Japanese flip flops. They were made of bamboo

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and they had felt tops straps. That's that's what I

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had for sues. Totally city fight and not ready for this.

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The first day that I was there, the first real

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day that I was there, which was like the next day,

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asked me if I wanted to go on a picnic,

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and I was like, oh, yeah, let's go on a picnic.

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And so I get together with this about seven or

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eight or ten of these and we start hiking up

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this mountain behind. Now we had come back down the

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mountain across the river and then back down about a

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mile down the road to the commune. And then and

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then we started up the mountain from there, went up

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and over a mountain, a big mountain, and then up

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and over another big mountain. Let me put it to

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you this way. About four or five miles into this,

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I said, where this picnic? How far do we got

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to go? And they said it's ten miles. And I

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looked at him and I went, what you're telling me?

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The picnic is ten miles away? And they were there

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like yeah, And now the mom of the group. She

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had a baby, a very small baby, and she brought

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a mama goat, and the mama goat had two kid goats,

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two babies, and so I was bringing up the rear

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and just and she brought the goats for the baby

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to have milk. At one time, I sat down on

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the road. I said, I'm not going. I'm not going.

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One of the guys that was staying up in our

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cabin was there, and he encouraged me to keep going

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because and I thought about it, because I thought, now, Ladema,

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you can't stop here because you can't get back where

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you were. You don't know how, so it's better just

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to keep going. And I did, and it was just crazy.

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We got there and I got everybody clapped when I

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came around the corner. I was the last one to

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move around the corner and they clapped because I made it.

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But there was a lot of people there from another valley.

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I don't know what valley it was, but they were

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roasting a critter on a big spick, and at that

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point I was just mad. I was mad because they

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didn't tell me it was going to be ten miles long.

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And when we got there, we had gotten down into

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this shaded, moist area that had a little brook that

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kind of came through. It was just like a flat area.

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It didn't have a rushing water at all. It was

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just like, I don't know if you've ever seen anything like.

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It's like it just had a stream of water like

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just babbling down through the center of this ravine like area.

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And everybody's happy and there, you know, some people were

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playing musical instruments and it's like a big, happy group

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of people roasting an animal. And so when I finally

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looked up to see this animal, I asked, what is that?

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And they said it was a goat. So I, after

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walking ten miles with this mama and babies, I said,

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I can't eat a goat. So yeah, that was my

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first outing with the commute.

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I'm sorry we got to talk about that for a minute.

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That's wild. So at any point where like warning bells

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starting to go off in your mind, like what's happening,

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I am way out of my league, or you're still.

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Okay, I'm thinking to myself, I need sugar, I need

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a cigarette, and I need sugar. At this point, I'm

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like I'm going through withdrawals from sugar, from coffee, from caffeine,

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from all this stuff. At the same time, I'm totally

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out of my element. But I can do this. I

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can do this. My constitution is that kind of way.

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I whatever. I've been through stuff in my life at

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that point, and so this I can conquer. I can

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do this. It's not forever. I'm telling myself, it's not forever.

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This was nothing. This was nothing compared to what happens later.

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This is amazing. Okay, So how many people were in

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Was it like a valley or you said it was

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a flat area.

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It was like a valley, and it was very covered,

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it was very shaded, very cool. Now, we had gone

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over a gone up a mountain that had pine trees

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and all kinds of trees and stuff like that and fuliage,

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and we had gone up a path and then we

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got up to the top and there was it was

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like a service road at the very top. It was

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hardly any trees, but it was a dirt road. And

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we followed that for a little tiny bit and then

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we went started going down. And when we went down,

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we went through the same kind of foliage, pine trees

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and stuff like that, and into this valley. Area where

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it was moist and cool. There was like a brook

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or a probably like a creek that was basically I

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guess they would consider it dried up, but there was

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still water running through it. But it was flat. It

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was weird. It was there was trees that had fallen

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over into this valley area. It was small. It was small,

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I would say, about as big as a mall area,

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you know that you could flatten out a mall. And

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then it would go up on east side. And I

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guess some people lived close by there or something, because

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that's where they barbed. They had a barbecue pit with

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a spick it one of those things to put a

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big animal on, and barb. One of those was set

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up there, so I'm assuming they lived close. I never

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saw their place. What I remember is that I ate

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some potato salad, and then we got to ride back

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in a flatbed.

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Were they playing like guitars or.

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Yeah, okay, guitars and just hippie stuff.

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Like hippie songs that you would hear from the seventies. Okay,

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that's cool, all right.

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Yeah, And then we got to ride back that evening

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or that afternoon, that evening, and then I believe that

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my friend whose name was Star. She was an Indian girl.

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And it's really weird, is that on our way up

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when we were going through San Francisco, we stopped at

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Hate Nashbury the corner, which I thought was fantastic. I

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always wondered that. In records and stuff like that, they

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talked about that corner being the corner. And I'm sitting

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in and I'm thinking, at least I got to see

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this and some guy. I'm sitting there and some guy

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walked up to me out of the blue and hands

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me a piece of tile, like a bathroom tile, and

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hands it to me and says, here, take this, It'll

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keep you safe until you get to where you're going.

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And I looked at him, and I took it and

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I and then he walked away, and so I just

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looked at it and I put it in my backpack

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and I just left it like that, you know, I

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left it there. So that's just one of the weirdest

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things that comes to first and later on after I

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get up there.

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When you say Star was an Indian, do you mean

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Native American or actually from India?

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Yes, yeah, Native American, thank you. Yeah, she was Native

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American and so she not that they all drink, but

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she did drink, but when we were up there, she didn't.

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But her background was that. But she was a rogue,

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good girls. She was Okay, she had her bad times,

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but yeah, she's stuck by me and never ditched me

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or anything like that. But yeah, we were together through

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Dick and then all the way and she found me

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like a year later when I went back to Iowa.

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Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

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Though, But anyway, yeah, so anyway, so we get back

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from the picnic and everything, and now I'm at this point,

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I'm just hearing stories. I'm just hearing stories about how

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Bigfoot would copy. Now, everybody had a holler up there,

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and what you would do is you would holler within

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a distance visiting somebody, and they would holler back, and

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so you would That's how you would tell them I'm coming,

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and they would say, okay, I'm here, and you would

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continue to go and to meet up at their place

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or whatever. And the thing was going around at that

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time was that they were assuming that Bigfoot was copying

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people's hollers, because people would meet up with somebody and say, hey,

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how come you ditch me the other day, I hollered,

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you hollered back. I got up to your place. Nobody

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was there. What did you do? Why did you ditch me? No,

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I wasn't there. Yes, you worked because you hollered back

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at me. And this went on for quite a while

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up there, and so they were assuming that Bigfoot was

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copying people's hollers. And I don't know. I had my

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own holler. I had to create how to create one.

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But I always felt like I was being stared at. Always.

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I never felt alone up there. I always felt like

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I was being observed when I was up there, from

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the very get go, from the very minute that I

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stepped foot on Six's River Road, I felt like I

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was being stared at. And I looked around and I looked,

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and I always thought, I wonder if they're in the trees.

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I wonder if they're in the tree trunks or something.

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And I did. I looked around just to see if

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I could find somebody staring at me. I know that

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one time I was got caught walking along the road

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by myself, and I could hear a car load of

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guys coming up the road, and they sounded like they

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were partying and they were hooping and hollering. I could

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hear them coming up, and I could tell that they

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were drunk, and so I jammed down off the road

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and I hid behind a great big tree, and as

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they went by, I went around that tree. And for

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some reason, I got this feeling like I earned some

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respect from them, because maybe I was hiding from my

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own people like they hide from us in LA and

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I just never I didn't feel like I was being

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stared at anymore. After that, it was weird.

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Oh you think you had maybe earned some respect from

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the Sasquatch themselves. Yeah, oh, interesting, okay.

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Because I had to hide from my own people. I

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had to actually hide from them behind that tree. As

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they went by, I went around that tree so they

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couldn't see me as if I were an animal, and

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if they got me, they would do something bad to

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be because like, I had to hide from them, and

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which I did. They were a carful of guys that

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were drunk and hooping and hollering in this car going

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up the road. Yeah, I'd hide from them. I was

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a girl by myself in the mountains.

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And after that.

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It's funny because I didn't feel stared at. I didn't

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feel observed anymore. I felt like I had gone up

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wrong in the scheme of things. And but yeah, it

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was pretty crazy anyway. The sipy guy that lived on

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the river side of the road, he he asked, this

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is where it gets into the seeing things. He asked

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if we wanted to sleep outside and stare at the stars,

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and he said sure. So he took us over by

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the road in this area where it had some long grass,

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and we camped out that night, fell asleep under the stars,

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and we got up the next morning and we walked

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up onto the road and there was two sets of

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very large footprints, and I was I just freaked out

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and was so excited. I was like looking, I put

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my foot in the in one of them, and it

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was just enormous. I mean, my foot just was nothing

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in this footprint. And then another foot set of footprints

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was smaller, but still my foot was nothing in that

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foot print. And so, being eighteen years old, he's, no,

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that's so and So's footprint. And because there was a

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very tall person that lived up there, and I was like, nah, his,

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but isn't that big. It's not that big and that wide,

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no way, And so being eighteen years old and healthy

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and you know, pretty much athletic. I decided I was

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going to try and jump from one footprint to the

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next footprint because I couldn't just walk and do it.

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That was just stupid. It was there was no way.

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So I decided to long jump it. And so I

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backed up and I took off running as fast as

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I could and jumped from one footprint to try and

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get to the next foot and it still couldn't do it.

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That's the wit the length that the steps were. I

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couldn't even do a long jump from one to the

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next footprint.

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That's incredible.

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It was incredible. I couldn't believe. I was like, you know,

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and he was okay. He wasn't like he was excited

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or anything. And these footprints. The crazy part about it

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was these footprints came out of the grass along the

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road right where we were sleeping, at the head of

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where our heads were out of the grass and then

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up onto the road where we actually came out of

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the grass and up onto the road the same place,

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and I was like they were watching us. They actually

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came up well, and I didn't know what to say,

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because to me, I was putting it together, thinking, oh

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my god, they were watching us. They actually looked at

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us bad to him because it came out of the

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grass the same place we did. And so that was

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my first real evidence that there was something very large

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with a human looking foot, bigfoot up there. I never

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heard any kind of like for anything anything. I've heard

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so much since then on podcasts and stuff and people

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that people have shared, and I can't I've not heard,

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I think, and I've never heard any of that, none

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of the all the animals, crickets and everybody gets real quiet.

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I've never heard anything like that happened. The only thing.

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The next thing that happened was we had been up

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there for about four months and the last night we

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were there, I had taken that that tile out and

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we're reading out of the Bible, and I just happened

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the line that the sides of this tile up with

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the sides of the cabin and realized that the tile

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had six sides to it and the cabin had six

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sides to it. And we were in sixes, Oregon. And

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I looked at my friend and I said, we got

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to get out of here. I go, this is sixty six.

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We gotta go.

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Oh my goodness, Wow, I go this tile.

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I go. First of all, my question is what if

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I never stopped. This will keep me saving until I

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get to where I'm going? What if I never stopped?

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But then again, I think maybe this tile needs to

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stay here. So I found a knot hole and I

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put it in the not hole. So I stayed with

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the cabin. And when I did that, I put it

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in the hole in the cabin. And then it became dark,

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and uh so we turned the kerosene lamp out as

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it got dark, because we didn't want the construction people

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to see the light up in the mountain, because we

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didn't want them coming up there and dusting in and

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who knows what they had burnt down the cabin that

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we were going to stay in that was right across

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the river, and so we didn't want them knowing where

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we were this time, because there is no way to

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get down that mountain in a hurry, none at all.

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You kill yourself. We turned the terrosine lamp out, and

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I remember getting up on the top bunk and I

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was laying there and I was listening to what I thought,

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And to this day, I still think that it was

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a jet and I was thinking how close to the

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sky I was being up there in the mountain. Now,

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up there with no light, you can't see your hands,

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you can't see anything in front of you. It is dark.

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I mean it is dark. And so you could lay

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there with your eyes open and it's just black. And

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I'm listening to this jet going overhead, and all of

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a sudden, I'll play it for you, all of a

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sudden that it was like right outside the cavin. Now

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I was up on the top bunk, so I got

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I got plastic right there.

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Wow, and.

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I just froze. I know she froze. We just froze.

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I didn't breathe, I didn't blink, I didn't do nothing.

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I just lay there. What the hit was that? It

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was like, oh my god, we're gonna die. I didn't

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think it was a bear. I tried to convince myself

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all these years, for several years, that it was a bear.

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But common sense tells me if that was a bear,

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it's October. That bear would have ate us. The bear

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would have ate it. It would have come barreling through

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that Ricky ol Kevin and ate us because it's time

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to go to sleep, and it would just say this,

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but it didn't. I didn't hear it come towards the

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Kevin and I didn't hear it go away because we

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just neither one of us moved. We didn't twitch, we

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didn't breathe, we didn't do nothing. We just laid there.

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I think if we would have done anything like jumped

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up and ran around crazy and things would have been different.

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But we just didn't move a muscle. We didn't talk.

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We didn't. The only thing I said was did you

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hear that? And she said yes, that was it. The

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whole night, fell asleep, probably with my eyes opened, I

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don't know. And when I woke up, when I opened

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my eyes and it was daylight, I jumped out of

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that bed. We packed our backpacks and we were out of.

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There all right.

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How far away from the cabin would you say? That

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sound was?

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Maybe ten feet?

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I could hear, goodness, I.

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00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.440
Could hear the air moving in its chest.

458
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.400
Oh man, that plastic.

459
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.359
Wouldn't have been there. I swear to god, my hair

460
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:05.960
would have moved. It was so frightening and traumatizing that

461
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.160
I thought I was going to die. I did. I

462
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.880
thought we were going to die. I thought, this is it,

463
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:15.960
this thing is going to kill us. I took it

464
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:20.039
as a warning that we needed to get out of there,

465
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.079
that it was telling us. I don't know. And this

466
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.079
is the crazy thing, because some people say that there's

467
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.720
a paranormal thing about it, there's an alien thing about it.

468
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.119
I just want to know. There's so many recordings of

469
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:40.160
these vocals where you hear a plane in the background.

470
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.079
That's what I'm noticing.

471
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:49.319
I want to know, you know, that's really interesting.

472
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.400
Yeah, there's always if you listen to some of these vocals,

473
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.119
you'll hear a plane in the background. Did they get

474
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:02.559
dropped off? Is this something that where did it come from?

475
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.799
I know that it's been talked about throughout thousands and

476
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:09.400
thousands of years, and I know that as a people

477
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:14.839
we are expanding and encroaching and stuff. You would think

478
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:20.359
that with us encroaching and that they would I don't know.

479
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.480
I guess there's some nice ones and there's some not

480
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.279
some nice ones, and then there's ones that are going

481
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.319
to warn you right to get the heck home. And

482
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:36.720
I think that's what That's how I interpreted that that war,

483
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.079
if you would call it that, it was so long

484
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.680
and so frightening. Like I said, that you could hear

485
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:50.240
the air moving in its chest like a barrel. That's

486
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:52.839
it must have been huge. That's all I can say

487
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:57.400
is this creature must have been huge, because I could

488
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.599
hear it the air moving in its chest. When it

489
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.920
was doing that, I didn't want to stay. I'll put

490
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:05.440
it to you that way. I just remember waking up

491
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.279
in the morning. I was laying there with my eyes open,

492
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.880
not wanting to go to sleep, and waking up in

493
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.079
a start, and it was light and that was it.

494
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:19.759
We were gone. That's wild, you know, it's too wild.

495
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:24.720
It was too wild. And I've been back to the

496
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:28.960
woods in a different area, Sierra Nevadas, bow hunting in

497
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.880
my early twenties, and I couldn't tell you. I swear

498
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.160
it was a herd of cows, but from what I

499
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.119
have been told, it may not have been. It could

500
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:41.599
have been bigfoot pounding on our tent.

501
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.240
Well, hold on, before we get there, I need to

502
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.200
know how you got out of the hippie commune with

503
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.640
no issues. How did that go down?

504
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.759
We just packed our backpacks and walked off the mountain

505
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.039
and said see you later.

506
00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:15.559
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages? Okay?

507
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.240
And walk down, and we ended up in Who's Day

508
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.960
and the adventures continued on. I'll put it to you

509
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.799
that way. We ended up on a fishing boat with

510
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:24.880
an old captain.

511
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.880
Hold on, hold on, hold on. So you told the

512
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.400
hippie commune. You were like, we're out of here, and

513
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.599
they didn't try to stop you. They were like, all right,

514
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:35.599
have fun.

515
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:41.440
Oh no, yeah, I see you. They were like really yeah, really, oh,

516
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.400
because they I don't know if they've ever had ever

517
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:51.160
been approached in that frightening kind of a way at

518
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.759
that point. I don't know. I know, I don't even

519
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.319
remember saying goodbye to anybody. I truly don't. I don't

520
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:01.839
remember saying goodbye to anybody. And to this day I wonder,

521
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.880
I try to search my memory and say, because I'm

522
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.480
sixty seven, so did I say goodbye to anybody? But yeah,

523
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.839
we were out of there. We were out of there.

524
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.720
She had no problem at all, and it was daylight,

525
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.079
and it must have just been daylight. I don't remember

526
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:21.079
seeing anybody walking by anybody's house. I was traumatized. I

527
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.519
was liket, and for years I tried to tell myself

528
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.160
it had to be a bear, it had to be

529
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:30.319
a bear. It had to be a beer. And knowing

530
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.400
it was no beer, it was no bear at all.

531
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.079
That bear would have broke into that cabin and no

532
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.000
time and ate.

533
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:44.000
Us absolutely, especially that time of year, as you were saying, October.

534
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.759
Yeah, yeah, October, it was time to go anyway because

535
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.279
it was going to get really cold.

536
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:49.079
Oh yeah.

537
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.720
And we had no winter clothes whatsoever, and no food.

538
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.799
We had no food bank. They tried to grow a

539
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.680
garden up there. They tried to grow a garden, and

540
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.079
so we had to pick the carrots. They were about

541
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.680
an inch long. They'll find the carrots.

542
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:11.359
What if and this is just imagining, but what if

543
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.920
the Bigfoot was like, hey, these girls are in trouble.

544
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:17.720
They need to get out of here. I'm going to

545
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.160
scare them away. They are going to be in trouble.

546
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:22.680
I don't know, who knows.

547
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.839
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. It

548
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.480
was a warning, get the heck out of here. You

549
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.519
know not, but this is my area. Get out of here,

550
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:33.839
but get out of here.

551
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:35.319
Get out of here for your safety.

552
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.720
Yeah, you don't belong here.

553
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.400
Now, I can already tell you don't really want to

554
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.400
get into it. But so he went out to Coos

555
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.440
Bay and you got on a fishing boat with an

556
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:49.559
old sea captain.

557
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.559
Yeah, with some sea captain guy. That fisherman guy had

558
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.440
a big fishing boat, no crickety one. And I felt

559
00:33:56.519 --> 00:34:00.519
really bad. He wanted to he wanted some people to

560
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.519
go out with him go fishing. And there was a

561
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.440
girl that he had already gotten. And then Star and

562
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:07.720
I we hooked up with him. He went and bought

563
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.599
a bunch of food and everything we got out, I

564
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.079
could see the shore. Star got a little sea sick.

565
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.760
The girl is already sea sick. And they were down

566
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:20.239
below eating salting crackers and stuff. And I was up

567
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:22.440
above and I was like looking at the water, some

568
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:24.880
jellyfishes and stuff, thinking I was on a swim team

569
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.920
when I was younger. I'm looking at the shore going No.

570
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.519
I don't think I could make it, you know, I

571
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:36.480
have a thing about sea and water. No. And they

572
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.639
had a lot of birds flying overhead and everything, and

573
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.239
I'm wearing white, of course, And I talked the guy

574
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.400
into this old bearded we're talking bearded sea captain to

575
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.559
go back to shore because the girls were sick and

576
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.280
we needed to get him unsick and so he docked

577
00:34:53.400 --> 00:35:00.599
and we ended up staying there, and unfortunately, Are and

578
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:03.559
this other girl bunked on one side of the bottom

579
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:08.000
of this boat shipper. It was a ship, it wasn't

580
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.199
a boat. It was it's pretty big. And I got

581
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:19.880
stuck with the sea captain. And yeah, it wasn't bad.

582
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.599
He wasn't bad. He didn't try nothing. I got stuck

583
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:26.719
up against the side of the boat I got, you know,

584
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.400
and he was out on the on the outer side,

585
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.760
and I was on the inside, and I finally fell asleep.

586
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.519
He didn't snow too bad. But I was cussing my

587
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:36.719
friend out all the time.

588
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.119
But he didn't he didn't try anything bad. That's good.

589
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.119
No, he didn't try anything at all. But I did

590
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.000
wake up hearing these two old cadres going, oh, isn't

591
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.440
she so pretty? And then two little sea captains down there.

592
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.679
They should have been at the top, but they were

593
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:55.719
down there looking at me. Starr and the other girl

594
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.679
were gone, they were up top, and I wake up

595
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:03.239
to these old fishermen staring at me with their beers.

596
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.559
And then after that, I'm guessing the adventure probably continued

597
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.519
for years. Maybe.

598
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.079
Oh yeah, we ended up at Gold Beach, which is

599
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.639
just a little bit further down and ended up I

600
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.239
got to taste the seaweed soup and yeah, and met

601
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:20.679
up with another group of hippies.

602
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.079
Oh wow, so you went back to another hippie commune.

603
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.199
Actually no, we just passed by, okay, and yeah, passed

604
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.599
by them. And then we met up with some two

605
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.719
guys from Canada. One guy was an artist and the

606
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.280
other guy was his friend, and they had a station

607
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.519
wagon and they were heading to I don't know, San Francisco,

608
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.960
San Jose, somewhere around, and that was great. I had

609
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:50.800
relatives there, and he was he would take pictures and

610
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:55.199
then he would paint the picture. And so we found

611
00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:01.039
a misty mountain and he gave me a long robe

612
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:03.639
light thing with the hood and had me stand out

613
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:09.360
on this peak with the fog and everything and pose

614
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.039
with the robe on because I had to clothes on

615
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.599
underneath it. But still I only weighed meybe one hundred

616
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.400
and four pounds, so I was really skinny. Yeah, And

617
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:18.119
he took a picture, some pictures of me, and he

618
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.719
was gonna paint it, and I was like, whenever.

619
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:26.000
Do you think he actually made a painting? There's a

620
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.039
painting of you somewhere.

621
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:29.119
Probably wow?

622
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.920
Probably? Yeah, probably, I would assumed that he did what

623
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.320
he said. His friend was really cool. I have no

624
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.760
idea what their names were or or anything. The day

625
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.159
that we hit San Francisco was the day that they

626
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.679
caught what's her face? Oh god, she was what was

627
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:51.480
her name she was? She helped rob a bank? Mm hmmmm,

628
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.760
I can't remember her name. She's a really rich little girl.

629
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.239
And she got together with this group of people and

630
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.400
they were robbing banks and stuff, and they what was

631
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:10.119
her name starts with an h? Her she now away,

632
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:13.280
she was wanted, and that was the day that they

633
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.880
found her. They captured her in San Francisco. Yeah, that

634
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.079
was really interesting. I was like, we were sitting there

635
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.559
eating at this little cafe and I was like, what

636
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.480
they caught her, Let's get out of here. I'd just

637
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.719
come down from the mountains that was real tranquil and

638
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.199
everything for four months and then got stared to death

639
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:33.559
and came down and I was like, ah, let's get

640
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.000
out of here.

641
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.280
So how did you get from hanging out with more

642
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:42.440
hippies to than being a bow hunter in this Sierra

643
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.320
Nevadas about.

644
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.039
I was about eighteen when I was up there in

645
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.400
the mountains, and then I met up with somebody who

646
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.440
in my early twenties, like twenty two, who would like

647
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.559
to hunt. He was a bow hunter, and he invited

648
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.639
me on weekend with some friends of his and him

649
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.519
to go bow hunting, and I thought that was pretty interesting,

650
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:11.960
and so we went, and we ended up somewhere in

651
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.239
the Sierra Nevadas and at this area where it was

652
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.280
like there was like a long, like a round meadow

653
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.239
that was on a slope, and then the tree line

654
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.480
that was like in a circle, and there was a

655
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:32.199
creek that ran along one end of it. And I

656
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:39.039
just remember going out with him and he spotted a

657
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:44.119
deer and he got the deer. He hit the deer

658
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.039
with his arrow, which was a sickening sound. I thought

659
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.639
it was a sickening sound, and the deer took off,

660
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.239
and then we tracked the deer for the longest time,

661
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.719
and then we found the arrow. The deer pulled it out,

662
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.639
and so we kept tracking the deer and then we

663
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.920
lost the deer tracking, so we end with nothing. But

664
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:05.400
that night they were talking about it's always safe to

665
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.159
light a fire and keep the fire going. So mountain

666
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.440
lions will stay away. All trying to predators will stay away.

667
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:18.559
Now in my mind, I'm thinking bears don't care. Maybe

668
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:22.440
light mountain lions do. I wasn't sure. But we were

669
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.000
in our tent and sleeping, and all of a sudden

670
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.639
there's this pounding on the ground. I was just shaking

671
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.079
and things were hitting both sides of the tent. We

672
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.360
jumped up, not jumped up, but got up on our

673
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.360
hands and knees and started hugging each other in the

674
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:44.719
center of the tent because we thought for sure whatever

675
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.360
was happening, I always thought it was a herd of cows.

676
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.400
Now I hadn't seen a cow the whole time we

677
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.239
were there. Where they had come from, who knows, So

678
00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:00.039
that was silly to think that over the cows. And

679
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.920
then I'm thinking, if herd the cows running, what's chasing them.

680
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:10.079
We got out of the tent and there was nothing different.

681
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:15.119
The campsite was not trotted over, there was everything was

682
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:20.079
still set up like it was supposed to be. Nothing

683
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.519
has turned over or trampled on or like it should

684
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:29.360
have been. So I'm assuming then then it was bigfoot

685
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.719
missing with this, it had to be. It was horrible

686
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.639
it was frightening. It was so scary. We thought for

687
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.960
sure the cows were going to trample that tent, it

688
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.199
was going to just run it over. We were like

689
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.800
hugging each other and yeah, it was really scary. And

690
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.159
this lasted for a good four minutes, five minutes. I

691
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:56.880
mean it was constant of battering on the tent, both sides.

692
00:41:58.159 --> 00:41:58.480
Wow.

693
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:04.480
Yeah, And so after all these years, I'm you know, thinking, yeah,

694
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:06.360
and I think it was cows.

695
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.519
And then yeah, eventually you get back to Iowa. I

696
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:14.920
heard you mentioned that in passing before.

697
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:20.320
Yeah, yeah, I get to Vegas and then I end up.

698
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.280
I ended up in Iowa between the eighteen and the

699
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.800
twenty two. I ended up there when I was nineteen

700
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.000
until I was twenty one. And that's when satt Star

701
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:36.280
Girl showed up my mom's door. I didn't even know.

702
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.000
I gave her the address and she stayed there for

703
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:42.559
about six months or so. She didn't really fit in there.

704
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.639
I wasn't sure I fit in there. But yeah, I

705
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.639
got a job as a nursing assistant, and that's when

706
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.719
I got into genealogy and stuff like that.

707
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.280
But yeah, wow, yeah, and I'm guessing Iowa probably not

708
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:02.079
too many crazy adventures. I know, I live out here,

709
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:05.119
so I know, yes, not too many crazy adventures to have.

710
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:10.159
Yeah, yeah, only one, and that was I babysat for

711
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:13.039
this person. He paid for it. But they had two

712
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.079
wolves they had out there, and these wolves were in

713
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.760
pins that the pins were chaining fences that were like

714
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:24.280
go through eighteen feet high, and then they had some

715
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:26.559
German shepherd dogs and stuff. He left me with a

716
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:30.519
gun and some instructions, and as I was being given

717
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:34.000
the tour, the female wolf got loose and was stocking

718
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.960
me and we turned around and she was just not

719
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.679
ready to leap on me when the lady saw that

720
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.440
and yelled at her and took her back to the pin.

721
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.199
But yeah, I was to keep them separate and make

722
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.639
sure that wolf didn't climb that fence and get out,

723
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.559
because they would fight the German shepherds and the wolf.

724
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.559
And just the day before these people were coming back

725
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.559
from this trip that they took. The wolf got the

726
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:02.559
male wolf climbed that fence, climbed that eighteen foot chaining

727
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.880
fence and got out, and I got the dogs in

728
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.760
just in time. I didn't care about the wolf being outside.

729
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.480
I just didn't go out I made it for the

730
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:15.599
people to come back. Yeah, that was crazy. I thought

731
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:17.559
for sure I was gonna have to It.

732
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:25.840
Was Madred.

733
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:28.159
Yeah yeah, I mean I've driven through it before, so yeah,

734
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:29.519
I know where it is.

735
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.719
That's crazy down, that's crazy little. Yeah, and it was.

736
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.400
It was out in the boonies out there on a

737
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.079
couple of miles outside of town. So it's crazy. I've

738
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.960
seen some things in that town that worked like speaky.

739
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.000
Oh really, Oh yeah, you know you could drive through

740
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.960
the country out there and find things hanging from trees

741
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.519
that you know, what the heck is like people I

742
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.840
don't know. It was like, oh no, it's like you know,

743
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:07.840
like skin and animals. Who what they is that late

744
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:11.960
seventies you said, right, yeah, that was the late seventies

745
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:12.880
big for.

746
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.320
Society will be right back after these messages.

747
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:35.440
So that was seventy eight seventy nine about that area timeframe.

748
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.360
It different time, yeah, yes, And people were like nuts.

749
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:44.559
There was a Madrid is very clique ri clicky yeah.

750
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:46.800
And I was from Las Vegas, seeds and that's what

751
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.480
they saw. That's what they knew of me. I was

752
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.039
a hooker from Las Vegas is how they saw me.

753
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:54.440
Okay, gotcha.

754
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:56.400
Yeah, that wasn't right.

755
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:57.159
Matt.

756
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.440
What probably the most unique life story of anyone I've

757
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:04.639
ever talked to for the podcast Ledema. This is incredible.

758
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:09.559
You've got such an interesting story, and on top of

759
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.960
it all, you get to tell bigfoot stories through it too,

760
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:17.800
which is really cool. And it sounds like today you're

761
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.840
still now you're watching podcasts, listening to podcast because of

762
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:24.119
what happened in your past.

763
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:29.360
Yeah, it's crazy, because you know, I never shied away

764
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:33.400
from talking about it, and I didn't care if you

765
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:37.239
didn't believe me because I believe me, and I didn't

766
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.159
care what you did rolled your eyes. I don't care.

767
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.239
I don't care. I feel bad for you for thinking

768
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.599
that I'm lying to you because I'm glad that I

769
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:50.480
experienced it and I know what I know, and I

770
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:55.599
know they exist. I've seen the footprints, I heard them,

771
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:59.280
and I talked to people who have heard them and

772
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:05.159
experienceerience them. And now listening to podcasts like yours and

773
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.639
the people you interview and stuffs get used to it.

774
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.840
They're there and they're going to be there. And now

775
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:21.079
what I would like is for someone to be able

776
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:28.239
to break through the communication aspect of it and find

777
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.719
out how to communicate with them so that we can

778
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:38.039
find out more about them. Absolutely and find out I

779
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:41.480
know that they're trying, but I don't know if they're

780
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.000
trying for the right reasons.

781
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.760
Oh wow, that's deep.

782
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:51.800
Yeah, I think they're just trying for public you know,

783
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.760
the publicity of it. I don't know if they're trying

784
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:58.239
to find out for the aesthetics of it, the academic

785
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.679
part of it, the person to bigfoot.

786
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.159
I would think that there are more than unfortunately a

787
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:10.719
few researchers or people interested in bigfoot specifically for either

788
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:16.280
trying to get famous, trying to and they don't really

789
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:20.880
care about the people that are experiencing things helping them,

790
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.280
or the actual creature itself. And there's not a lot

791
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.239
of that which makes it scary if it's actually discovered,

792
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:29.960
hopefully someday that is there even going to be a

793
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.039
conservation effort.

794
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:39.000
Sometimes you find a person that is on the right

795
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:43.960
track of communicating, that's doing the apple thing and the

796
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:50.199
peanut butter thing and really trying to become friends, have

797
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.440
a relationship with them as far as that goes. But

798
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:56.679
the thing that gets me is when they have when

799
00:48:56.679 --> 00:49:02.000
they get these samples is evident and samples and they

800
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.679
test them and they find that there's it comes out

801
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.840
that the DNA is of an unknown species. Okay, there's

802
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.400
got to be categories of unknown species, okay, and if

803
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:19.559
these unknown species are falling into the same unknown species,

804
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:25.920
then that has to be Come on, now, that must

805
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.039
be bigfoot, you know what I'm saying, especially if it

806
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:31.440
comes you know what I'm saying, it's if people are

807
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.280
bringing in hairs that are not a wolf, if they

808
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.280
are not a bear, they are not, but they're unknown species.

809
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:41.039
And this scientist over here or over around the world,

810
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:46.559
and every every there's this category of unknown species, then

811
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.960
that has to be you know what I'm saying.

812
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.400
Yeah, Absolutely, it's got to be bigfoot.

813
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.400
I'm hoping that we get some answers, hopefully in the

814
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:02.280
next few years. We will Hopefully the more more info

815
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.079
gets out there, more people will share what they've seen,

816
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.079
and more connections will be made, and.

817
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:11.360
Well, the whole thing is the scientists will back down.

818
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:14.960
There is that I need proof, I need proof of

819
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.400
a bifut, I need proof. I need to see the body.

820
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.840
And so it's okay, you've seen the hair, you've seen

821
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:26.400
a fingernail, you've seen the tooth, you've seen this as

822
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:30.599
falling in this category of unknown. Of course, it's unknown

823
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.239
because we don't have the body, and I doubt we're

824
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.480
ever going to have a body. Why have a body

825
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:43.440
of everything in the world. No, but we have seen things.

826
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.079
We still don't have the body of everything. I would

827
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.960
think I'm gonna have to lift that up.

828
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:56.800
So the way I look at it is if even

829
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:00.159
someone was able to let's say someone did get a body,

830
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:05.079
they probably didn't leave the area alive because they probably

831
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:08.159
there were other ones that just took them out. That's

832
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.239
what I think happens.

833
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.320
That's what Yeah, that's what they say. What happened is

834
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.519
if you kill one, you're in trouble because the other

835
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.920
ones are going to get you and your family. And

836
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.440
you know, when you think about it, that's no different

837
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:32.079
than a human retribution. That's the way a human thinks too.

838
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:35.239
I mean, we have a conscious and we have to

839
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:39.840
not do that because we understand laws and blah blah blah.

840
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.559
But we're talking about we're talking about an animal that

841
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.840
has no law, and so but yeah, I don't know,

842
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:50.159
I don't think i'll see it.

843
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.880
You never know. You never know redeema. Thank you so

844
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:59.000
much for chatting tonight. It has been a pleasure, and

845
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.840
thank you for sharing your life story and what you

846
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:06.159
encountered and it's just been a really fun time. Thank you,

847
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.000
Thank you all I pick for Society. You've got the

848
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:12.079
privilege of talking to Cindy today. Cindy's an individual that

849
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.639
shared her story in the Facebook group I have, which

850
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.159
is Bigfoot Sightings and Research. I should check it out

851
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.239
if you haven't yet. But she was sharing what was

852
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.000
going on in there, so I asked if she wanted

853
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.960
to come on the show, and Cindy, you're down there

854
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.960
in Oklahoma, but it's a privilege to have you on today.

855
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:29.519
How's it going?

856
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.039
Thank you very much. It's privilege to speak with you.

857
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:34.679
So it's going on right. How you did today?

858
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.119
Doing great? We were talking about that before the show.

859
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.880
How it's snowing up here and probably not snowing for

860
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:40.599
you down there.

861
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:45.800
So it's definitely called what we consider code, or what

862
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:52.280
I consider code anyways, but absolutely yeah, So I like Iowa.

863
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:53.280
That's a beautiful today.

864
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:53.920
It is.

865
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.800
Yeah, there's some hidden parts of it that are pretty beautiful,

866
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.760
that is for sure. I'll agree with you, Cindy, I

867
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.920
want to make the best use of our time here today. Okay,

868
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.519
do you mind if I have you take us back

869
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.800
to where this all started? You know how far back

870
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.519
you'd let us know that in the general area.

871
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.239
Yeah, certainly. So it's going to go back to two

872
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.039
thousand and six. That's going to be my first So

873
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.840
I guess knowledge were here about of what they call

874
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:27.639
the body Boggy Bottom, the Boggy Bottom Monster. I think

875
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:32.360
that's what's called him, and so he's it's it's story

876
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:36.119
that's been around for years and years, but my knowledge

877
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.800
of his existence came in two thousand and six and

878
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:41.920
I was actually pregnant with my youngest son. It's time,

879
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.880
so I found it to be hysterical. But I live

880
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:50.920
in like the southeastern part of Oklahoma, and a lady

881
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.719
that lives close to where I live now, I woke

882
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.360
up one morning and was just outside on a port

883
00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.679
and I guess it's like July two, say something like that,

884
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.920
and she heard wrestling. It's some stuff going going on,

885
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.000
and the bushes went on next to her home, and

886
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:08.599
I guess when she walks around to the side of

887
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.159
the house, she said that she's seen what she considered

888
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:16.280
to be called the Bigfoot, and it snarled letter and

889
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.400
it scared her so much that she called nine one

890
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:21.760
one because she didn't know she's having a panic attack

891
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:24.599
or if she's having a heart attack. And so they

892
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:29.519
had Bigfoot members come or search team come down from Washington.

893
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.000
They're all over the place here and it's Infolk County,

894
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:37.519
and they deemed it to be that he has gone

895
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:41.239
through here and that there's a bigfoot that lives in

896
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.800
the area. I moved off and back since then, and

897
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:49.119
so I guess maybe a couple of years ago. No,

898
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:53.920
this has been I guess maybe like maybe three years

899
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.519
or three or four years ago. I was on the phone,

900
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:59.400
went back to book. So we were involved in an

901
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.280
accident and it ended up putting my son into a wheelchair.

902
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:05.239
And then so with that said, I was on my

903
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.360
way to pick my son up and he was across

904
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:11.559
the street from my parents home, visiting and way in

905
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.199
the country. So I told him, I said, whenever I

906
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:17.840
turned down the road, then I'll call you and you

907
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:19.400
go ahead and leave the house and that way we'll

908
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:22.519
meet at Nana's and then in pot balls. And he said, okay,

909
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.599
So I called him and said, I'm on my way

910
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:27.480
or I'm turning down the road now, and he said

911
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:29.079
all right, and so he took off from the door.

912
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.320
And then as he was strolling down the dirt road,

913
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.320
all of a sudden, I hear him. He's like, I

914
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:39.400
guess four years ago he'd been fourteenth time. I was like,

915
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:43.440
oh crap. And then I just hear him like his

916
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.440
breathing just changed and he was going super fast. I

917
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:48.480
think it was a changing because he wasn't hear He

918
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:50.679
wasn't hear me anymore. I was like playing his name

919
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.239
over and over, and so I sped up. And about the

920
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:56.440
time that I got in view of my parents home,

921
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.599
he was darting across the highway or the road.

922
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:01.079
And.

923
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:04.119
I pulled him right after him, and I'm like, what

924
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:06.880
is going on with you? And he goes, Mama. I

925
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.920
felt like I could see something on the corner of

926
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:13.440
my eye, and when I turned, it was too big

927
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:15.599
to be what I was. What he thought was a deer,

928
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:20.719
And so that's when he said he cussed and started

929
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.119
going as fast as he could across down the dirt road,

930
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:27.679
and he said it was keeping up with him, and

931
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.320
he could tell the difference between a four layered creature

932
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:33.280
and two layered creature going through the woods. So it

933
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:35.199
was keeping up with him. But as soon as he

934
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.599
crawled hit the tree line there at the road that

935
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:42.000
I was on, of course it stopped. And that's when

936
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.639
he started across the road and I got caught up

937
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.880
with him. The next thing town the next story, I

938
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.000
would have he was shocked out for it for about

939
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.400
it for quite some time because he's I don't know

940
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.639
what it was. I just heard a snarl at me.

941
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.599
I don't know if it was like he was calling it.

942
00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:00.599
I don't know what is. It doesn't matter, but you

943
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:02.320
know what it was. He knew that it was big

944
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.559
stew legged and it was chasing him through the woods

945
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:08.559
as he was on the dirt road. And I've been

946
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:10.920
told that down to like the they were just being

947
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:18.000
the best. Quatch was just being territorial or wanting to

948
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.400
see what he was up to. And then my mom,

949
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.000
my grandmother's house is much deeper into the woods. It's

950
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.639
also in the same county. About a year after that,

951
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.760
so a couple maybe two three years ago, she had

952
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:35.559
told me that she went over to my grandmother's home

953
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.960
to feed the horse and mact he's not a very

954
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.079
nice horse, right, he's he will keep anything and everything

955
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:46.360
out of that field. And so she went to feed him,

956
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:52.119
and she said that she started hearing something big coming

957
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.599
through like the tree line or creek area there, and

958
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.960
just the smell was overwhelming, but it caught the horses

959
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:04.920
attention enough to where he stood still and aris perps forward.

960
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.880
He wasn't moving. I said, what did you do? She goes,

961
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.360
I just slowly turned and walked back to my vehicle.

962
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.400
She goes, the horse, see, he didn't move. He didn't

963
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.760
move for a long long time. And I said, what

964
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.239
do you think, she goes, I don't know what it was.

965
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.280
I just know it was big. I could see branches

966
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:26.280
moving through the trees and it stoed as wow, that's

967
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:28.239
really crazy. But she's got more stories than I do.

968
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.840
She just hasn't ready to share very man of them.

969
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.599
But that's the most recent. Actually, the most recent would

970
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:37.360
be I moved to the area, actually to that general area,

971
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.679
to that exact area, and so I was out breaking leaves.

972
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:42.719
I worked nighttime, so I was off and I was like,

973
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:47.960
didn't work at nighttime? Hypherreacon leaves up and I have

974
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:51.519
a pit for my own protection. And he's a big,

975
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.239
burly dog. But as I was breaking, all of a sudden,

976
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:59.559
just this long mona tell him how. It wasn't a

977
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.719
hound dog. I've been around how dogs all my life.

978
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.480
It wasn't even a bullhorn because people around me they

979
00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:09.239
sleep at night and they're old or older, and so

980
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:12.639
nobody was up. It was just me up and this long,

981
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:19.400
monotone monotone howl came out and it was eerie. It

982
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.119
was like it was really close. It was like at

983
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:23.159
the end of my property line, which is I have

984
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.280
a pond back there and my home. I just moved

985
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:29.800
in here recently. It's been vacant for several years. There

986
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.320
was one person who lived here, but they like bolted

987
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.039
after two months of staying here. I can understand why,

988
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.599
because it's creepy here. There's no security light out there,

989
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.159
so it's just black, this pitch black outside. But that

990
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.280
wasn't the only time. So when when he when I

991
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:48.400
heard the how it wasn't until it was almost finished

992
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:52.079
that the dogs picked up and started barking, and I

993
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.079
go looking around from my dog and he's telling he's

994
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.880
going inside, So I'm like yelling at him. To get

995
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.960
back out here. Then figured out I'd better go inside too.

996
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.239
That was the first time I heard it. Now I

997
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.400
saw I've told people about it. Nobody wants to believe

998
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:11.079
that I've heard the towel and they laugh about it.

999
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:12.880
I'm like, I've gone through every sound I could possibly

1000
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.920
go through. I said, what type of animal it could

1001
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:18.280
be out here, and there's nothing that comes close to it.

1002
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.480
There's absolutely nothing that I can find. And so I've

1003
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.639
heard it again. And it's about two o'clock in the

1004
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:26.519
morning that I hear it. I guess he goes down

1005
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:30.320
to the water to the plan and doesn't like mine again.

1006
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:34.559
I was outside break and leaves and burning leaves, beigs.

1007
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.119
A society will be right back after these messages.

1008
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:55.599
I don't know. I don't know. But he held again,

1009
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:59.559
and this time he held twice, and both the first

1010
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:02.119
time the dog stayed silent, and then the second time

1011
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:05.000
then they picked up. I hit my dog, eat tucktail

1012
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:07.760
and ran inside. And I'm like, okay, it's time for

1013
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.679
me to go into because my big burley dogs running inside,

1014
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:14.079
I'm following them. That's about all I got other than

1015
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.559
here recently. This week, actually, at the beginning of this week,

1016
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.559
we didn't have any of it was now, it wasn't

1017
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:21.599
a storm going, there was no wind. It was just

1018
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:26.119
as still as it could be. But things for being

1019
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:30.000
were dropping on top of my roof, and it was

1020
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:35.000
like stunning was running up there. I don't know what

1021
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:36.960
it was. But when I got the next morning and

1022
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.519
I went outside, look, I had three lens all over

1023
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:43.119
my roof. I don't know how they got there, because

1024
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:45.800
the tree that's next to the home, it's a real

1025
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.599
healthy tree and it's not gonna be breaking dropping big

1026
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:52.559
old limbs like the size of my legs and stuff

1027
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:55.800
on top of my roof. There being some sort of

1028
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:58.559
storm going on, or that's the way I see it.

1029
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.159
I don't know. I'm not a next on any of it.

1030
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:03.599
I just just know what i've heard, and I know

1031
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.039
what I've witnessed, and I know that there's something big

1032
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.559
and hairy and loud or I say.

1033
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:15.000
So, that's some really interesting stuff that's happening pretty much

1034
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:19.400
current day. So you can actually hear something running like

1035
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:23.039
it sounds like something running across your roof from inside.

1036
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:27.119
Oh yeah, absolutely, listen my cat Okay, so I have

1037
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:30.119
a cat. Cat comes inside too, and the cat and

1038
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:33.639
the dog will both look up at the ceiling pace,

1039
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.440
so I keep waiting to see sheet rock coming down

1040
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.719
or something I swear as like trying to dig a

1041
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.960
hole or something to my roof. And there's so many

1042
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.880
something that's help on my roof at night, and it's

1043
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.719
not every night, it's just every now and then. At

1044
01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:50.639
first I blew it off as being foops out by

1045
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:53.119
being a city girl coming into the country. But I've

1046
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.920
always been in the country that lived in the City's

1047
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:59.440
being a new place and it's being strange to me.

1048
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.159
But no, when I went out there and see all

1049
01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:08.199
those limbs on my house and there being no storms,

1050
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:10.800
it was dead, it was silent. My friend said that

1051
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:16.119
they they went outside the other night and noticed that

1052
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.960
my dog didn't want to go with them, and he

1053
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:27.039
felt something staring at him. So he said he's seen

1054
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:29.599
what he's seen, because he can't really tell me, just

1055
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.800
that it was something that was close to my home

1056
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:34.880
that took off back into the woods. And I just

1057
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:36.840
I don't know. I don't know what's out there. I

1058
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.440
just know it creeps me out, and being here out

1059
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.000
here by myself, it's scary.

1060
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:49.159
That's some really interesting stuff for sure. When it runs

1061
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:52.840
across your roof, does it affect anything inside? Do things

1062
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:54.880
fall off the walls anything like that?

1063
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:58.280
No, I don't really know. Yeah, and sudden there's something

1064
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.800
that they're lying because you can tell, you know, you

1065
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:02.880
can tell the difference between two legs and four legs.

1066
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:06.519
It's definitely two legged. It's definitely two legs that's running

1067
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:08.920
across my room. I don't know, but no, it's just

1068
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.360
really loud. Like I said, I don't have much stuff

1069
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.480
on the wall, so and what I do have on there,

1070
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:17.599
they're throwing there pretty good. But no, nothing comes off

1071
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:18.400
the walls.

1072
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:19.079
I don't know.

1073
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:21.119
I don't know what it is. I just know that

1074
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:23.079
it's I don't think it likes to be in here.

1075
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.519
It makes sense, especially if you were saying that it

1076
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.360
hasn't had anyone. There's been no one in that house

1077
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.239
over the last few years, so it's gotten used to

1078
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.000
being able to do whatever it wants. Are you also

1079
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:40.039
cleaning up the area, taking down trees, clearing brush anything

1080
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:40.440
like that?

1081
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:45.199
Now, just uh, you know the whole leaf breaking thing,

1082
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.840
it's like I said, it was, Uh, the house has

1083
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:52.960
been empty, but the house was tore up and then

1084
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.920
the owner. They remodeled and everything. Like said, there's a

1085
01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.840
pun at the end of my property line is shared

1086
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:04.559
between me and two or three other people. It's really big, pond.

1087
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:07.199
I think that's it's on it's water and home. It's

1088
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:10.239
got to be because the sounds coming from there. That's

1089
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:12.960
where their house is talent from and it's when I'm

1090
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:14.440
outside burn and leaves.

1091
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:16.760
So I don't know.

1092
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.280
It's big, it's creepy. Got on the whip of it.

1093
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:21.280
But maybe I'm down one or up win from it.

1094
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:26.199
So are there a lot of deer and animals around.

1095
01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:30.559
The property, massive amounts of beer, massive amounts of beer.

1096
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:35.480
Also there were we just went to here season or

1097
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:39.000
deer season. But yeah, there's always deer running around. And

1098
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:44.480
that's I said. I'm off in the woods. That's away

1099
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.960
from city lights, away from well, there's night and security

1100
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:52.199
lights out here. So that's very desolate and dark, very dark, Cindy.

1101
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:55.199
If there's something you wanted to try to do too,

1102
01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:01.280
probably get the activities are good, go down a little bit.

1103
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.679
You could always consider putting up some game cams around

1104
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:08.599
your property. Most people will say that if you put

1105
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:12.239
those up, it may get them to clear out just

1106
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:15.239
because they don't like the infrared. It freaks them out

1107
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.039
and they'll clear out, So that might be something to consider.

1108
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:21.159
That's a you can get some pretty cheap, like even

1109
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:23.599
at Walmart or whatever, but a few of those around

1110
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:25.199
your house might help out a bit.

1111
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:28.159
I have security cameras set up around the house, but

1112
01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:34.000
for some reason, my the base thing that they connect

1113
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:38.079
to as I wanted to work properly, so I can't

1114
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:42.800
get recorded footage of it or anything or leaving with

1115
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.159
the recorded sounds. I was really hoping to have had

1116
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:49.000
that for you or something like that, but I don't know.

1117
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:53.440
And then okay, so that night that I had the

1118
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:55.840
limbs going on my house and the running across the roof.

1119
01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:59.280
I have a security light out back, and it's really

1120
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:02.239
weird because last night I went outside and I just

1121
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:04.199
had to put up. But when I went out there,

1122
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:06.800
it was like before I even got off my back porch,

1123
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:10.599
my securre lights come on. But that one particular night,

1124
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:16.320
oh that's another story. That one particular night I had

1125
01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:20.480
walked outside and the light hadn't come on yet, right,

1126
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:22.039
So I was walking trying to walk up to the

1127
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.679
water's picket. Then my dog he comes bolting out the

1128
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:28.400
door and like charging at me, and I was thinking,

1129
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.440
oh my gosh, my dog's freaking out. He bypasses me

1130
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.119
and keeps in front of me. And when he takes

1131
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:37.599
a stance into the dark and growling and barking and

1132
01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.800
a lot of friend around, I told him back inside.

1133
01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.039
But when I went out there last night, before I

1134
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:46.639
even got off the port, the light, the security light

1135
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:50.039
come on. But that one particular night, I was almost

1136
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:53.199
too the waterspicket and it was still dark. It hadn't

1137
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:55.639
even clicked on yet. I don't know when my dog

1138
01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:58.480
ranch and started barking and were growling, and then he

1139
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:00.360
was quick behind He was behind me quick too.

1140
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:04.440
So I'm glad you do have that dog there with you.

1141
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:08.360
Though you know a lot of people it sounds like

1142
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:10.639
are not taking you seriously. But I would say to

1143
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:13.920
take this stuff seriously. I've gotten I've talked to a

1144
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:16.159
lot of people over the years from a Tooka county,

1145
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:18.399
and there's some wild stuff that goes on down there,

1146
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:22.000
especially over by McGee Creek Recreation Area. I don't know

1147
01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:24.640
if you know where that is, but some really wild

1148
01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:28.760
stuff that's happened over there over the years.

1149
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.079
Yeah, that McGee Creek is the east of where I

1150
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.880
am or northeast where I am. I'm more towards I'm

1151
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:36.319
closer to Lake Texoma than McGee Creek.

1152
01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:41.880
Oh, Okay, Texoma is a different story. There's so much,

1153
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:45.960
so many wild things that happened on at Lake Texoma.

1154
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:51.439
There's everything from Bigfoot to haunted stuff to other preachers

1155
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.399
running around and dog man like that whole area is

1156
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:55.640
just out of control.

1157
01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.359
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well that's what I'm saying that you know,

1158
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:03.039
my son was he was calling it was Oh, I

1159
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:05.199
can't remember what he's trying to say that it could

1160
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:06.960
have been that was chasing him. But I just know

1161
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:09.079
there's something out here and that's creepy and I don't

1162
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:12.720
like it. And I'm thankful to having a dog because

1163
01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:15.239
if it ever does come through the roof, I'm certainly

1164
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:17.079
pushing him on it so I can get away a

1165
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:19.159
little bit or have a little bit of time get

1166
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.920
out right. I don't want to be anywhere near whatever's

1167
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:23.000
on top of my roof.

1168
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.039
Well, the city. I hope it doesn't come to that.

1169
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:28.760
If it does, you at least have that dog and

1170
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:32.119
hopefully that dog instincts kick in and it's ready to

1171
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:36.000
go after it. And also the great thing about this

1172
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:40.079
is that you're talking to your neighbors, which is awesome.

1173
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:44.279
Oh yeah, right, I'm talking to people around here that

1174
01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:45.920
live around here, and I trying to say with the

1175
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.279
older generation because I can get good I can get

1176
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:51.600
better stories from them. They know what's happening around here.

1177
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:53.680
And like I said, they call him the body bottom monster,

1178
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:58.760
but he's definitely a monster. Like I said, that was

1179
01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:01.920
the area is I've ever heard was that hel and

1180
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:04.680
nobody around here is going to be out blowing some

1181
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:10.800
bullhorn at two o'clock in the morning and there's no

1182
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:16.279
other There's no creature that I've ever heard that made

1183
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:20.079
that sound. My perciple say that much like the shows

1184
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:23.680
on TV where they mimic a sound from him. And

1185
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:27.199
that was the memory that comes to my mind when

1186
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:28.640
I heard the howl.

1187
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:32.880
Like wow, it sounds like you might be trying to

1188
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:36.960
actually capture some sound out in that property. Is that right?

1189
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:40.039
Yeah, I'm trying. If I can get my the module

1190
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:43.800
thing that's put the word to all my recordings, I

1191
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:46.119
would love to have recording of that sound. That way

1192
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:48.479
I can say that listen to this can you tell

1193
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:51.520
me what you think this health cased. Oh yeah, absolutely,

1194
01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:55.199
Now it's even got me out of breath talking about it. Killed.

1195
01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:58.840
If you wanted to try to get another good solution,

1196
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:02.720
you can always it was like a task cam recorder,

1197
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:05.319
which is pretty inexpensive, and then you can set that

1198
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:08.079
up like you could put that outside on the porch

1199
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:11.600
and have it record during a certain you know, certain

1200
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:14.000
hours of the day so you don't fill it all up.

1201
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:16.960
And now there's different things you can do, but definitely

1202
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:21.279
keep me informed about things that will probably continue to

1203
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:22.319
happen on this property.

1204
01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:26.960
Oh absolutely, absolutely, Well I'll keep such with you. The

1205
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:29.880
more admie that I can get or the more encounters

1206
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:31.760
I have, I'll lets you know each one.

1207
01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.720
Absolutely. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Cindia.

1208
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:36.920
Is a pleasure chatting with you.

1209
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:41.279
Good Thank thank you very much. Have a good day.

1210
01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:43.880
All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege of talking

1211
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:48.039
to Chris today. Chris is an individual that joined my

1212
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:51.680
Facebook group that I have Bigfoot sightings and research. So

1213
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.840
I reached out to Chris after seeing what he had

1214
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:58.640
posted about a sighting he had in the Hampshire County

1215
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:03.880
area of Massachusetts, which if anyone's a longtime listener of

1216
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:07.760
the show, they know that I am originally from western Massachusetts,

1217
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:10.479
up in the Northfield area. This is a little bit

1218
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:14.640
further south of that area, but Hampshire County is very interesting.

1219
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:16.920
I've gotten a lot of reports over the years from

1220
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:21.079
things that happened in Granby Mount Holyoak, even the Quabn

1221
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:24.520
Reservoir area. And what Chris will be sharing today is

1222
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:27.560
an area that's in that same kind of region. So

1223
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:30.359
it's a pleasure to have you on the show today. Chris,

1224
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:31.239
how's it going.

1225
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:36.439
Pretty good? Pretty good? Thanks for having me. What would

1226
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:37.359
you like me to start with?

1227
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:43.640
Go ahead and feel free could share time frame when

1228
01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:47.560
this happened the general area, so that listeners would be

1229
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:50.880
able to picture where this happened and what you experienced

1230
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:51.600
during the time.

1231
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.680
Okay, just to get started. I was always a kid

1232
01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:59.520
who was in the outdoors. From the time I was

1233
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:02.880
a little six seven years old. My father started new

1234
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:06.039
fly fishing. He was very much an outdoorsman itself. And

1235
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:09.680
I lived at that point in hand in Massachusetts, which

1236
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:14.239
is west and I grew up fishing Wilbraham Mountain, US.

1237
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:16.640
I was always up on there and I was very

1238
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.880
comfortable being in the outdoors, and I wound up going

1239
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:23.279
as time went five, when I was a teenager, passed

1240
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:26.159
high school and everything. I got into UMass and I

1241
01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:29.720
started going, and I lived in AMers and we used

1242
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:32.119
to every few weeks. I'd get a load of a

1243
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:35.399
load of laundry and want some real food going. You

1244
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:38.920
mess at that point that the meal plan wasn't very good,

1245
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:41.800
and at this point it's very much better, but it's

1246
01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:45.479
also a lot more expensive anyway, So I'd go home

1247
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:48.520
on the weekends, and my mom cooks really good food.

1248
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.920
So I brought a friend of mine with a skid

1249
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.600
rocky that I grew up with and and I were

1250
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:56.600
bugs from the time I was like twelve. So we

1251
01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:01.000
spent the weekend, did my thing, got bed hung out

1252
01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:04.000
of my house, and then we decided to go home

1253
01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:08.119
Sunday and I lived. You know, if you've ever if

1254
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.560
you know Massachusetts, if you want to get to Amherst,

1255
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.520
there is a root called Route nine, which you know,

1256
01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:16.920
heads west and you go through this area in which

1257
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:20.039
they flooded four towns called the Fob. And you know,

1258
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:22.439
I was pretty knowledgeable about the area. I know where

1259
01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:24.800
in belter Town pretty well, because I spent a lot

1260
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:28.159
of time going through them, getting back and forth from Amalyst.

1261
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.640
But I also fished the fob and live. I'd sneak

1262
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:33.520
in on Gay eight and i'd walk in. There's about

1263
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:35.479
a mile walk to the shore, and I fished the

1264
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:39.159
shoreline and I was very comfortable in the area. And

1265
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:42.159
I also fished the Swift River too, which which runs

1266
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:45.600
right under Root met and so I was not unfamiliar

1267
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:48.279
with the area. Anyway, we're going back, and I had

1268
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:50.800
this big old boat. Everybody has a hooty bar when

1269
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.199
they're in college, and I had this big old boat.

1270
01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:56.279
It was a nineteen sixty eight Poniat that arena and

1271
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:58.840
it had it didn't have collage of lights. It had

1272
01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:02.199
the old style lights which weren't too strong. But anyway,

1273
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:04.479
so we're going along on I just passed in the

1274
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:08.159
blocklom fifth Factory, which if you know that area, there's

1275
01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:10.880
not a whole lot out there. You passed where on

1276
01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:14.840
the way to Belchertown. And we just passed there and

1277
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:16.720
it was about sunset.

1278
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.079
Big for society, who would be right back after these messages.

1279
01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:38.119
There was still some light out, but we were losing light,

1280
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:39.479
and it was in the fall. I think it was

1281
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:42.720
in October, and we're going along. It's probably about six

1282
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:46.319
thirty seven and six thirty seven pianish, not quite dark yet,

1283
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.720
but it's not light and anyway, so we're driving along.

1284
01:15:49.880 --> 01:15:53.119
There's nothing there. There's no houses, no structures, there's no people.

1285
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:55.039
We were the only car on the road at the time,

1286
01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:58.000
and all of a sudden, this thing breaks out of

1287
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:02.079
the brush. And the best way I could describe how

1288
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:05.000
it looked is it was running on two feet, but

1289
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:08.119
it ran in a weird motion. It didn't have a

1290
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.279
normal human gait. I would call it like it turned

1291
01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:13.399
its legs side blas a little bit a look and

1292
01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:15.680
its arms were I normally evolved. I would say it

1293
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:19.000
looks somewhat. I got a really good look at it.

1294
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:21.760
It looked somewhat like a mix of a person and

1295
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:24.920
rang its hand like it's arms like normally people have

1296
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.239
their arms down to their butt, like you can put

1297
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:29.399
your arms down to the side of your butt. This

1298
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.840
thing had arms not quite to its knees, but it

1299
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:35.800
was down past where people wanted to have their arms.

1300
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:39.880
When it ran, it didn't really run because the thing

1301
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:43.239
that struck me about it is. It walked like at

1302
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:46.880
running speed, and it glided like you've seen a person

1303
01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:50.840
alpine gliding. It was that kind of emotion and it

1304
01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:53.920
cloked through the woods and it shocked he you know,

1305
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:56.840
my parent, my hackle stood up and I couldn't speak,

1306
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.159
and I'm watching this thing run across the road. Was

1307
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:03.720
actually a it's a two hilt, but the good size

1308
01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:07.520
made and it was it seemed like it was across

1309
01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:10.239
it in two seconds and until it was gone, and

1310
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:13.319
we were going probably about forty I remember this very vividly.

1311
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:17.119
I can picture everything because it was burned into my brain.

1312
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:21.840
And this thing was across the road very fast, and

1313
01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:24.239
it was almost dark, and the woods were definitely dark.

1314
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.720
And another thing that struck me, it was ringing into

1315
01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:31.560
the steam. And I spent a lot of time outdoors

1316
01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.479
and unmust you're on a trail. If if it's dark,

1317
01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:38.239
then you run into woods, You're gonna fault. You're not

1318
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:39.119
gonna be running along.

1319
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:42.359
But this thing ran into the woods and by the

1320
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:46.039
time I got up to it, it was gone. And

1321
01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:48.920
I'll tell you what, I was not even thinking about stopping.

1322
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:53.079
I was literally freaked out. Wasn't saying anything and there

1323
01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:56.159
was a long silence. My friend Rocky and I drove

1324
01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.640
a little while before anybody either one of us. I'm like,

1325
01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:01.239
I'm not saying anything because I wasn't sure if he

1326
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:02.840
saw it. If you blinked, you would have missed it.

1327
01:18:03.239 --> 01:18:05.239
And I wasn't sure if he saw it. And the

1328
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:08.000
first thing, ironically, the first thing that came out of

1329
01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:10.079
his mouth was did you just see a big foot?

1330
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.960
And it was so it was so surreal because having

1331
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.680
grown up, you know, spending a lot of time in

1332
01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:19.600
North Carolina and being outdoors a lot, I would have

1333
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:22.159
said that it would be more likely that I would

1334
01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:24.199
see one of these things in the North Carolina. So

1335
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:27.239
it turned out to be close to home in Massachusetts

1336
01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:30.079
and all the cold weather and everything. But it opened

1337
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.359
my mind. I would like, you know, is it possible

1338
01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:36.279
that these things exist? First I was in denial a

1339
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:38.520
little bit, but the more I thought about it, I'm like,

1340
01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:42.000
that was definitely not a human because it just didn't

1341
01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:46.720
look right and it was covered with brownish hair and

1342
01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:48.840
I didn't get a good it was dark enough, but

1343
01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:50.920
I didn't get a good look at its face. But

1344
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:54.239
I saw the outline and rough color and shape of

1345
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:59.039
his body very clearly, was probably something like seven between

1346
01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:03.159
fifteen and seventy yards from my cart, and my headlight's

1347
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.359
hidden enough that I could see it. But it's always

1348
01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:09.600
been in my head ever since, and I'm of the

1349
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:13.760
belief that they're out there. I seen his believing. I

1350
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:16.359
never would have thought that this would have happened where

1351
01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:19.479
it did happen because of the weather and it's harsh

1352
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:22.199
in the wintertime in Massachusetts. It's not you know, it's

1353
01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:25.760
not a temperate place like North Carolina. I could totally

1354
01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:28.920
see I could live outdoors three sixty five a year

1355
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.319
in North Carolina because it's just it's very lush and

1356
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.680
it's very plentiful. Animals have it hard in Massachusetts. They do.

1357
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:38.279
It's like the wintertime is, you know, the winter time

1358
01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:41.039
is very bitter. So would I have thought it would

1359
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:43.399
have happened there now? And I wouldn't have thought it

1360
01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:46.079
would have happened period. And you know, it's funny because

1361
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:50.119
I haven't seen my friend for years, like he moved off.

1362
01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:53.199
He's living in Philadelphia now, and I've always wanted to

1363
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:55.479
talk to him again about it because it was it

1364
01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:58.079
left such an impression on me, and I want to

1365
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:01.239
be clear that I think they because I saw one.

1366
01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:03.439
But if these things are out there, they're not in

1367
01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:06.560
I don't believe there are any great numbers because being

1368
01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:11.760
an avid sportsman, I spend time hunting, I spend time fishing.

1369
01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:14.199
I can't at least a week to year, I'm comfortable

1370
01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:17.760
being outdoors and I've never seen any sign of one

1371
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.039
of these things before. If they're out there, they're rare.

1372
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:23.079
I don't think they're very common. And I'll tell you what.

1373
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.760
It's a paradigm shifting experience, like your people, what's what?

1374
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:30.039
And then you realize that there's things out there that

1375
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.920
you don't see or understand or whatever. But I do

1376
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:36.359
believe these things are some sort of a primate. I

1377
01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:39.159
believe it's a natural thing. I think their primates, and

1378
01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:42.199
I think they live in small groups. I've heard anecdotally

1379
01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:45.680
from some people that are members of a group there.

1380
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:48.159
They asked me if I've wanted to go. I know

1381
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.600
one of these one of these guys, because my kid

1382
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:54.199
does did sports with his kid and I ran into

1383
01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:56.920
him in the gas station. He had the VFR sticker

1384
01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:58.640
on his front and he said, you want to walk there?

1385
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:01.399
And I'm like, I was like, dude, I was like,

1386
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:03.159
I don't want to go out there and see one

1387
01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:05.960
of these things and have him know that I saw it.

1388
01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:10.000
I don't necessarily I'm comfortable with them being there. They

1389
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.800
don't threaten me. I don't feel unsafe going into the woods.

1390
01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:14.640
But I don't want to mess with him either. It's

1391
01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:17.640
you're talking about a wild animal. So I don't know.

1392
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:20.560
People like looking for them. I'm good not looking for them.

1393
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:22.840
It's just it was interesting that I saw. And the

1394
01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:24.920
thing that really struck me though when I first saw

1395
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:27.960
it is the way it moved. The way it moved

1396
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:30.720
was not and the way that it was proportioned was

1397
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:35.560
not keen. It was like it was more like crimate like.

1398
01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:38.119
And the way that it looked was it struck me

1399
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:41.920
as halfway between a person a man in the Darragontan.

1400
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:45.199
Just the way that its orange were shaped. And it

1401
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:48.199
wasn't really huge like people talk about them being massive.

1402
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:51.600
This one was tall, but it was lanky. And I

1403
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:53.880
can tell you one thing is I was a young

1404
01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:55.600
man at this time, and I was in good shape

1405
01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:57.600
and I could run No way I could have run

1406
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:04.159
like this thing. It was just so anyway I hope

1407
01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:06.039
you found that interesting. That's really all I got. It

1408
01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:10.039
was only one experience and probably forty something years in

1409
01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:10.920
the outdoors.

1410
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:15.520
Now that is extremely interesting, especially for that area. Definitely

1411
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:19.479
have a few questions for you, and I might ask

1412
01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:22.039
a few things that were already stated, but just to

1413
01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.760
make sure I got them. What year approximately was this again?

1414
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:31.000
I want to say it was around nineteen. I graduated

1415
01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:32.399
in ninety four, so I'm going to say it was

1416
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:35.159
about ninety two. I think I was. I think I

1417
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:36.199
was twenty two years.

1418
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:41.840
Old, gotcha? And what month of the year would you say?

1419
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:42.640
October?

1420
01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:43.399
October?

1421
01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:46.920
Yeah? Okay? And it was running broke from the lakeside

1422
01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:48.399
to the woodside.

1423
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:51.640
Okay, what time of day?

1424
01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:55.039
Right around six thirty seven pm? It wasn't quite It

1425
01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:58.039
was dust. It wasn't quite sunset on nine There you

1426
01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:01.560
have so many trees and so much brush that there's

1427
01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.000
the trees itself dark in it quite a bit, so

1428
01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:06.920
it was almost dark and I had my lights on,

1429
01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:09.760
but it wasn't quite suns It wasn't quite dark. It

1430
01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:10.680
was getting close to it.

1431
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:16.039
Now, you said lakeside the woodside correct, Looking on a map,

1432
01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.600
does that mean when you say lakeside. Do you mean

1433
01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:20.239
the Quabbin Reservoir side.

1434
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.279
Yeah, on the reservoir side it ran as we were

1435
01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:27.199
traveling west. It ran right to left into the woods.

1436
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:32.319
And so you said this was right after the fish

1437
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:34.159
hatchery going east.

1438
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:37.359
After it was a little a couple maybe a mile

1439
01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:39.800
or two after the Glafflin fish Asterery. Because I made

1440
01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:42.920
a mental note that with the fish ashery is very

1441
01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:45.560
much near the Swift River. Ye, and it's also in

1442
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.439
your gate. It's also near the winds of Dam. So

1443
01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.439
it was just past that area more into the woods.

1444
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:54.039
And the thing that struck me was, I don't know

1445
01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:56.199
of any trails near where it ran. Across the road.

1446
01:23:57.239 --> 01:23:59.199
There's a bunch of trails you can hike back there.

1447
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:04.840
It's like a hangout place in the summertime. Gotcha, everybody

1448
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:07.119
goes to Windsordam School, like I used to roll down

1449
01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:08.840
the middle when I was a kids.

1450
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:13.119
Okay, Okay, So you were definitely on Route nine. It

1451
01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:16.279
was after the Swift River, after you go over that river.

1452
01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:19.840
Yeah, I been in an area before you hit Belchertown

1453
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:23.600
that's unsettled. It's just a bunch of woods. And you know,

1454
01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:27.239
I really didn't it struck me right away. I'm like,

1455
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:29.479
what is there out here? Because you want to think.

1456
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:32.680
Your brain wants to your brain wants to put it

1457
01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:35.359
in a place where you can understand it. And I'm like,

1458
01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:37.560
what is there out there? If there was somebody running around,

1459
01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:39.279
what would be ready to be going to? Why in

1460
01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:41.239
the middle of the you know why dark in the

1461
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.319
woods you can't really see too well. So it just

1462
01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:48.159
struck me as bizarre. It made me feel and like

1463
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:50.239
that there was something not right with it, Like I

1464
01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:52.079
don't want to get out of this park. First I

1465
01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:53.800
was like I got to see this, what is this?

1466
01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:55.399
And then I thought it twice about it, and I

1467
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:56.600
was like, no, you don't want to be out there

1468
01:24:56.640 --> 01:24:57.000
right now?

1469
01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:04.319
That that is very interesting right there. So it sounds

1470
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:07.600
like listening to the way you're describing it, is that

1471
01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:13.039
So there's a big WMA there to the that's probably

1472
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:16.119
the woods that you were talking about, the Herman Covey WMA.

1473
01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:19.600
Yeah, it's just there's nothing there.

1474
01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:23.359
Mmm. But it was past that you're saying.

1475
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:27.479
It was pasted any kind of a structure it was

1476
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:30.000
in there's a strip book. There's a small strip of

1477
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:33.680
woods before you start hitting some there's like a place

1478
01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:35.920
where they sell equipment and stuff on the left hand

1479
01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:38.000
side of the road before you get to Belturetown. It

1480
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:40.720
was before that, it was between. It was in a

1481
01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:43.319
place where there's not a whole lot of anything, and

1482
01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:45.119
there may be trails back there, but I don't know

1483
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:47.239
of them. Like the trails that I know. There's one

1484
01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:49.720
you can hype hike up the Swift River to the dam,

1485
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:52.479
and there's some trails running back in there for people

1486
01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:55.000
to walk around pike and stuff. It was well past that.

1487
01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:57.960
I don't know exactly. Probably if I was driving, I

1488
01:25:57.960 --> 01:25:59.840
could point to you exactly what it was and give

1489
01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:01.760
you like a mile marker or something like that, because

1490
01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:03.840
I think I can remember where I saw it. But

1491
01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:06.319
it's not close to the windsor game. It's a few

1492
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:07.079
miles off the road.

1493
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:12.680
I think one of the most interesting things that you

1494
01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:16.520
said in your description is that you saying that as

1495
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.319
it moved, it was churning its legs sideways.

1496
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:22.039
No, what I mean is, can you ever see like

1497
01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:23.920
every which way but loose? I hate to use the

1498
01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:26.880
movie reference, but you see the way is pat orangutan

1499
01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:29.840
walked around when it started running, like when it broke

1500
01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:32.920
out of the brush. It was Its feet were like sideways.

1501
01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:36.600
It wasn't like it wasn't walking in the straight like we

1502
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:38.199
did when we walk in a straight line, just put

1503
01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:40.880
one foot in front of the other. This thing was

1504
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:44.039
looked like the orangutan a little bit when it came

1505
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:46.520
out of the brush. And then it started moving. It

1506
01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:49.079
saw the car, or it must have been aware of

1507
01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:51.359
the car, and it hustled across the road. And when

1508
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:53.840
I say it moved, I mean it was really fast.

1509
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:57.199
It took off and I was thinking to myself, young man.

1510
01:26:57.359 --> 01:26:59.119
I was like, as a young man, there was no

1511
01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:01.600
way I could run like and it was gone. It

1512
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.279
didn't slow down when it ran into the woods. It

1513
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:05.039
just kept going.

1514
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:10.239
That is such an interesting description, and remind me how

1515
01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:12.520
approximately tall you would say.

1516
01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:17.000
It was hard to say. I know it. It struck

1517
01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:19.479
me as like a tall human, but it didn't. You

1518
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:22.439
see here all these people talk about them being eight

1519
01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:25.399
feet or anything. I didn't get that impression. But it's

1520
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:27.199
really hard for me to say. It was like I said,

1521
01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:29.920
it was like fifty years fifty to seventy yards up

1522
01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.520
the road. For me, it was not right in front

1523
01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.439
of my car. It was far enough it was far

1524
01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:36.720
enough ahead of me that I could see it, But

1525
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:39.600
I don't know how exactly. I don't know how tall

1526
01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:41.319
it was. It could have been. It could have been

1527
01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:44.199
my size. I'm like six feet and it could have

1528
01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:45.800
been it could have been my size. It could have

1529
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:47.680
been a little bit taller. I'm not really sure. But

1530
01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:50.800
it struck me that it wasn't massive. It was like lanthy,

1531
01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:53.800
and it had very long limbs, like like its arms

1532
01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:54.560
were really long.

1533
01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:59.199
It's a really unique report. There's a lot of especially

1534
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:03.239
the way that you're talking about how it's walking. I'm

1535
01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:06.319
going to have to look up that movie again, probably

1536
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:07.960
maybe find a clip of it.

1537
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:10.079
If if what I saw was one of them. They

1538
01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:12.800
don't bounce like me when we run. There's definitely an

1539
01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:15.800
up and down component like we were bouncing. This thing

1540
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:17.239
just glided. It was smooth.

1541
01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:23.039
You mentioned that you were not able to see the face,

1542
01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:25.800
but it sounded like you got to see a silhouette

1543
01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:26.960
or outline in a way.

1544
01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.199
Enough of it. There was color to it, like I

1545
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.880
picked out that it was brown. It was definitely brown,

1546
01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:35.840
but I didn't really see its facial features very distinctly

1547
01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:38.199
because it was there was enough shadow that I couldn't

1548
01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:40.279
really make out the space, but I think that would

1549
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:42.600
have freaked me out. I was actually glad I didn't

1550
01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:45.000
because in a way I wish I did, but I

1551
01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:46.840
was streaked out at that moment. Like I said, I

1552
01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:49.199
saw this thing and my hackles went up because I

1553
01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:53.079
knew something wasn't right. Absolutely, And we didn't speak. My

1554
01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:55.640
passenger and I wasn't alone. I had a witness. My

1555
01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:58.640
passenger and I didn't speak for a minute. I didn't

1556
01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:02.720
want to be the first one to say it and

1557
01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:07.000
think we were just both stunned. And like I said,

1558
01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:09.800
I've seen pretty much anything on the East Coast that

1559
01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:11.479
you can see in the woods. Like I've seen Bob

1560
01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:14.439
pat Links, I've seen Bear, I've seen Turkey. I've seen

1561
01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:17.960
everything that you can. I've seen bob hoogs. I've seen everything,

1562
01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:20.960
and this was not one of those. And I'm fricty

1563
01:29:21.079 --> 01:29:24.239
sure that it was not a human being. There's too

1564
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:28.279
many just it was bipedal that was running on two feet.

1565
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:32.720
Could you see a shape to its head at all?

1566
01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:37.000
I did. It looked the thing that really struck me

1567
01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:39.800
though it wasn't the head per se, and I didn't

1568
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:42.840
see it. I didn't see it in perfect definition, but

1569
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:44.840
I will tell you the thing that really jumped out

1570
01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:47.279
at me right away. I think proportions are all wrong.

1571
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:51.079
The arms really got me. And it was lengthy. It

1572
01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:55.239
was long, and when it ran, it swung. It had

1573
01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:58.119
these arms that were somewhere between its hip and its

1574
01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:03.079
knee that were longer than alice, and it swung them

1575
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:04.279
in a very pronounced way.

1576
01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:09.279
When anything that you noticed about the if there was

1577
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:13.800
like shoulder with or neck or anything, I found.

1578
01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:16.439
It was long. That's the thing that struck me. It

1579
01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:20.880
was like skinning. And its legs were proportionally like its

1580
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:25.000
arms were proportionally longer than it's legs. For us, our

1581
01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:29.439
legs are long and pretty even proportionately to our ends.

1582
01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:35.319
This thing's arms are long, absolutely, And I want to

1583
01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:37.760
try to get something across here because I know there's

1584
01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:39.720
going to be a lot of listeners that are like, oh,

1585
01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:43.479
in Massachusetts. One, Oh, it was probably a monkey that

1586
01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:47.680
escaped from the zoo in Boston or something. No, like, guys, you.

1587
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:50.199
Have to primate that runs around the bottom.

1588
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:54.760
No, No, you have to understand the place that this is.

1589
01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:59.439
It's an extremely wooded area with a very large reservoir,

1590
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:02.920
a huge, huge water source and a big food source

1591
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:05.000
as well. I don't know if are there still deer

1592
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:06.319
all over the place down there.

1593
01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:09.079
They open up, they started opening up the deer for

1594
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:11.479
hunting in certain areas in the bottom that the deer

1595
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:15.600
population is pretty good, having hunted myself. The other thing

1596
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:19.600
that is notable is a lot of the other wildlife,

1597
01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:22.439
Like the gray wolves came down from Canada back there

1598
01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:24.920
was a program to reintroduce them, and I kind of

1599
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:29.600
questioned that because I've seen them and wolves can be dangerous.

1600
01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:32.800
The other thing that you see there in the state

1601
01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:35.840
of Massachusetts is in denial. The Fish and Game Commission

1602
01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:39.319
Commission is in denial about the return of the cooiter.

1603
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:42.119
But we got cougter in there, and I haven't seen

1604
01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:44.199
them personally, but I've seen a good picture of one

1605
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:47.760
that was taken near near our dump intown, and I've

1606
01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:50.960
had multiple reports of other guys that I fishing hunt

1607
01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:54.399
with they've seen them up close. And there's couger in there,

1608
01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:57.359
there's wolves in there. There's all kinds of wildlifes. But

1609
01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:00.520
I did not expect to see what I saw, and

1610
01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:04.079
I haven't seen it. It's notable that I've not seen

1611
01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:07.800
another one since, although there are people that claim they've

1612
01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:10.520
seen them. And one guy interesting that I told you

1613
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:14.239
about my son's friend who works with the BFR. There's

1614
01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:15.880
something new people belongs to, and he asked me if

1615
01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:17.520
I wanted to come out looking for them with him,

1616
01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:19.199
and he said he claims that there's an ol by

1617
01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:22.720
no one that's which struck me as really interesting. But

1618
01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:25.039
I told him, I said, I'm good with not seeing

1619
01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:27.840
another one, especially if I'm out in the woods. It's

1620
01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:30.399
just that would probably freak me out. And I've seen

1621
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:32.520
a lot of things I've seen there. I've seen there

1622
01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:37.319
are close Actually, I've seen lots of wildlife. I've seen moose,

1623
01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:39.840
and you don't want to get close to those. But

1624
01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:42.079
if this thing is, if this thing is out there,

1625
01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:45.680
it's not in any great numbers because I would have

1626
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:47.880
seen it. There's some sign of it.

1627
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:54.119
Oh yeah, wow, that guy that that BFRORO investigator is

1628
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:57.880
hard to talk to it. We can talk of error.

1629
01:32:58.159 --> 01:32:59.640
That's a guy I would love to talk to you too,

1630
01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:02.079
but maybe we'll talk off air about that. But yeah,

1631
01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:04.760
that the whole area. I've had people reach out to

1632
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:08.319
me about sightings in Granby and Mount Holyoake, Like I

1633
01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:13.000
was saying before, and have you heard other stories over

1634
01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:16.319
the years of people having sightings in this same county

1635
01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:18.079
area or further north?

1636
01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:22.960
Just that, oh, just that one guy in my area.

1637
01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:27.000
But I know a gentleman from Vermont who I've known

1638
01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:29.600
ever since I was a kid, and he's from up

1639
01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:33.439
in place called Stepford, and I've been up there fishing

1640
01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:36.479
with him around White River Junction and he told me

1641
01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:38.960
he saw one hunting one time and it scared the

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01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:41.319
living craft out of it. He said he was actually

1643
01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:45.319
hiking towards a stand and he saw this thing walking

1644
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:48.119
away from him. He smelled it first, like he said,

1645
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.439
they smelled pretty rank. Now, being in a car, I

1646
01:33:50.479 --> 01:33:53.720
didn't have that sense. I didn't have that sense available

1647
01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:56.279
to me. But he says they smell terrible. And he

1648
01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:58.199
says he could smell it. He was in a swampy

1649
01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:02.439
area and he was walking towards his hunting location and

1650
01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:04.720
he changed his mind and he went back. He saw

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01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:07.560
this thing walking that way and he said it was massive,

1652
01:34:07.640 --> 01:34:10.159
but he said it was black. And I know the guy,

1653
01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:11.840
I've known him pretty well. I don't think he would

1654
01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:14.960
just make that up at least not. I know him

1655
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:17.199
very well, and he's not He's not the type of

1656
01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:19.840
guy very much an outdoors and like myself, and he's

1657
01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:21.399
not the type of guy he's going to tell me

1658
01:34:21.479 --> 01:34:24.399
that in a one on one scenario and be making

1659
01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:27.159
it up. So he says he's seen one. That's the

1660
01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:29.800
only other. Those two people are the only ones I

1661
01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:35.119
know personally. But mine was so random and so chance.

1662
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:37.920
Like I said, I can still see it in my head.

1663
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:39.960
It made that much of an impression on him.

1664
01:34:41.079 --> 01:34:44.960
Hmm. It's just it's one of those fleeting things, but

1665
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:48.680
it sticks with the person forever. I imagine it would

1666
01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:51.439
stick with me forever as well, if I ever am

1667
01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:54.840
lucky enough to have a sighting. But sometimes when people

1668
01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:59.760
have these things happen, it will affect their lives and

1669
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:04.640
in other ways, or they'll start to experience other phenomena.

1670
01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:08.239
Has Do you think it's affected you in any weird ways?

1671
01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:10.159
Since you've had this sighting.

1672
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:13.000
Ever since I was a kid. My dad is he

1673
01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:16.319
is my family on the North Carolinian side, the part

1674
01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:21.000
Native American, And I don't feel that it's out of nature.

1675
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:24.000
It doesn't bother me. I'm good with it being out there.

1676
01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:26.039
I just don't want it to go get it anyway.

1677
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:28.720
And I look at it this way. It's got every

1678
01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.920
right to be out there, and I think there's a

1679
01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:33.079
lot of stuff going on. I think people out there know,

1680
01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.560
particularly in our government, our governments, because other governments have

1681
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:39.840
admitted these things exist. But the governments in Southeast Asia

1682
01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:42.560
pretty much take it as they have fossil record. Toos,

1683
01:35:42.680 --> 01:35:45.119
that's a fossil record and they say these things exist.

1684
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:48.439
And our government, I think there's some reason why they

1685
01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:51.680
don't want to admit it. I think there's I think

1686
01:35:51.720 --> 01:35:54.520
there's proof I've seen it and that just once but

1687
01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:57.560
at once is enough for me. And I think that

1688
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:01.159
there's reasons why they don't want to and that they're

1689
01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:04.239
out there maybe for reasons of protection, protection that sort

1690
01:36:04.279 --> 01:36:08.520
of thing. Like I said, I think it's out there absolutely.

1691
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:12.000
I do want to really quick because I know the

1692
01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:17.000
right people are listening to this one hopefully. Guys, if

1693
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:22.119
you're listening and you have any other information about sightings

1694
01:36:22.239 --> 01:36:27.920
in this area or the Coobbin or Granby or there's

1695
01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:30.159
a few of you. I know you've had sightings up

1696
01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:35.319
in Northfield, gil Greenfield, Warwick that area, but it's just

1697
01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:38.359
hard to talk to you guys. I love if anyone

1698
01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:41.359
could reach out and give me more information about sightings

1699
01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:44.800
in the Franklin County area of Massachusetts, which is just

1700
01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:47.920
north of this area as well. But it's just it's

1701
01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:51.359
such a rare thing to have someone from your area

1702
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.199
come on the show, and Chris, I just want to

1703
01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:56.359
say thank you so much for coming on and for

1704
01:36:56.479 --> 01:36:59.960
sharing what you experienced back in nineteen.

1705
01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:06.119
Yeah, it's very it was very formative. Yeah, changes your

1706
01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:09.600
perspective a little bit. There are some people that I

1707
01:37:09.760 --> 01:37:13.319
think that are traumatized by it, and I'll be honest,

1708
01:37:13.479 --> 01:37:16.079
I mean it was shocking, but I wasn't scared. I

1709
01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:18.119
wasn't scared per se. But I've always had a healthy

1710
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:21.720
respect for wild animals and I would not want to

1711
01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:25.760
confront one of these things, or I would not, I'll

1712
01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:27.600
tell to be honest, true, I think it could be

1713
01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:30.800
potentially dangerous and go seek them out. I wouldn't do that.

1714
01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:33.239
That's just me. I just happened to run into one.

1715
01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:36.439
And they're like any wild thing out there. They you

1716
01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:38.960
don't know one hundred percent how they'll react if they

1717
01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:41.720
have young near them, Like one time my father and

1718
01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:46.119
I walked into a mama with her cubs, and that

1719
01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:49.239
was the tense moment, like we just slowly backed off.

1720
01:37:49.279 --> 01:37:52.239
So these things will protect their young, their wild things,

1721
01:37:52.439 --> 01:37:54.920
and I think it's afraid. I think you shouldn't be terrified.

1722
01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:57.199
Or I hear these stories about the guys who sell

1723
01:37:57.239 --> 01:37:59.159
their fishing stuff and won't go in the woods anymore.

1724
01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:01.720
I'm not one of those, but I wouldn't go looking

1725
01:38:01.760 --> 01:38:03.720
for this thing, and I think that it could be

1726
01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:07.359
potentially very I mean, I was alarmed, but not terrified.

1727
01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:09.680
There are some people that have a really bad reaction

1728
01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:12.439
to seeing them, or say they do, and I don't

1729
01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:15.319
think that's necessary. But at the same time I would.

1730
01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:18.199
I'm content to leave them be. They can do their thing.

1731
01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:23.000
I think those are good words to end out with.

1732
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:26.199
And thank you again so much for coming on the show,

1733
01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:30.720
Chris and sharing what you experienced that day. No problem,

1734
01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:34.760
You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a

1735
01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:39.039
platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their

1736
01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:42.960
encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need

1737
01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:46.319
to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you

1738
01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:51.640
just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot

1739
01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:55.720
Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

1740
01:38:55.960 --> 01:38:58.840
And I know a lot of you have not shared

1741
01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:03.800
your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's

1742
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:06.720
time that you get this off your chest and then

1743
01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:08.960
you can get some well deserved for rest because I

1744
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:12.600
know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going

1745
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:14.720
through and I appreciate every one of.

1746
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1770
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West Diamond Lake Highway and north of sixty two Crater

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