Hippie Commune Sasquatch Encounter! (A Collection of Interviews) | Oregon

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at bigfo Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big For Society to listen to you every week? There is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com fort slash the Big for Society And now let's get on with the show, all right, Big Forat Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Laedema tonight. She reached out to me about some really interesting things that she experienced around the Sixes River area of Oregon a little while ago. But Laedima, so glad to talk to you tonight. How are things going good?

1:00 Good? Thank you for having. Me absolutely And it sounds like it's a very interesting story. I'm going to let you go ahead and launch right into it and share what you would like regarding this story. Okay, I was about eighteen and I met a girl that knew some people that lived on this eighty acre property right off Six's River Road on a commune, and I was really interested in what that would be like and had nothing going on in my life. I lived in Las Vegas, and she was passing through, and so I cooked up with her and we hitchhiked from Las Vegas up to Six's River, Oregon. And when we got up there, we stopped at a house that was up there, and immediately they started talking about Bigfoot, in their experiences with Bigfoot, and all kinds of tales. Like they were telling me about how they were out side in the bushes or trees over on the left side of their house, which the house is still there, trees have grown up, but the trees started moving and stuff, and their dog, a large lab, started barking and ran into the bushes whatever it was, which from what I've seen, that's not normal for the animals, but this one did, and whatever it was through the dog out of the bushes, out of the trees and bushes, And so that was one

2:32 of their tales that they told my friend that night, because it was like dusk it was getting dark, went across the street with their little girl to the river. There was like a sandbar over there, and came back screaming because they felt the ground shaking, and come back screaming into the house. But it's big. But about that time I was like, okay, because I don't think I really heard anything about Bigfoot too much at that point until I got up there. We stayed there that night talking and stuff to these people, and I was getting to know them and stuff. And then of course they were looking at me like a city girl up here on the mountains, wanting to experience.

3:19 They knew I was in for a big treat. But what year is this, nineteen seventy six? Wow, okay, nineteen seventy six. It was hardly anybody that lived on Six's River Road. Hardly anybody. Now, there was some construction going on. I think they were building the campgrounds Six's River Camp campgrounds and the Edison Recreation Campgrounds. Right there wasn't even built yet, no houses. One person lived on the river side of the road, a man, a hippie guy that had lived there for a while. He had that a framed house on that side of the river, or the road.

4:05 But other than that, he was the only one that was on that side of the road, on the river side of the road at that time. And then the eighty acres there was maybe about five or six people. They had goats, that everything was natural. There was no sugar, no tobacco, no nothing. Everything was grown up there and it was a real commune. And I guess some lady had eighty acres there and let these hippies live there. And in the morning we were told that the cabin that we were going to stay in, which was across the river, had been burnt down by the construction people who were getting rid of all the homesteaders at that time, and that we had to go further up into the mountain to stay in this other cabin up there. And of course I'm like, I have no idea what I'm in for or anything. And so we get escorted up the road like a mile past everybody, and across the river.

5:07 We crossed the river on big boulders that were there. I looked and lift up the river recently and they're not there no more. I think there was a couple of them, but yeah, I couldn't find where we had crossed the river to go up about a half a mile up the mountain. And to go up the mountain was like a trail I'm assuming now that it was an animal trail of some sort. We had to cross over a big tree that had fallen across the ravine and the top of the trees were at the bottom of this fallen tree. We had to walk across this tree and have moss on it and stuff. I actually think I belly crawled across it the first time because I was afraid. Yeah, So anyway, we got to the cabin.

5:56 The cabin was hand and built. It was maybe were maybe about six not even six foot tall, maybe five foot tall all the way around. It was built up against a big tree. There was a big piece of plastic that was the roof, and there was a barrel that they made for a stove of some sort. It was hidden up there. You used kerosene for light and stuff. There was some books and stuff. They had handbuilt a couple of like a bunk bed there, and the refrigerator was a hole in the ground underneath the bunk bed the bottom bed. So it was pretty primitive. And then you walk down to the river to take a bath.

6:40 It was real, real considering, So you. Were eighteen, you hitchhiked from Las Vegas to Middle and nowhere in nineteen seventy six to a hippie commune, and then once you get to the commune, you have to go way even further out and cross us a river on a mossy log, and then there's half a cabin that has a tarp for a roof, And right, what were you thinking at that point where you're like, I'm in trouble or you're like, okay, this is cool. Whatever I was thinking, Okay, I guess so I didn't even It's funny because I didn't think about bear. I didn't think I was told that where the cabin was on the corner of a bear and a cat, like right there, and it didn't even dawn on me that I should probably have bear spray, or I should probably have a gun, or I should probably have some sort of protection, a knife, even a butter knife. I mean, I didn't have anything. Oh wow, I had nothing. I had nothing. I was just a free spirit and just that was it. And I actually, I don't know, I don't know if you know that there back in the day, there was these flip flops, but they weren't really flip flops.

8:01 They were Japanese flip flops. They were made of bamboo and they had felt tops straps. That's that's what I had for sues. Totally city fight and not ready for this. The first day that I was there, the first real day that I was there, which was like the next day, asked me if I wanted to go on a picnic, and I was like, oh, yeah, let's go on a picnic. And so I get together with this about seven or eight or ten of these and we start hiking up this mountain behind. Now we had come back down the mountain across the river and then back down about a mile down the road to the commune. And then and then we started up the mountain from there, went up and over a mountain, a big mountain, and then up and over another big mountain. Let me put it to you this way. About four or five miles into this, I said, where this picnic? How far do we got to go? And they said it's ten miles. And I looked at him and I went, what you're telling me?

9:11 The picnic is ten miles away? And they were there like yeah, And now the mom of the group. She had a baby, a very small baby, and she brought a mama goat, and the mama goat had two kid goats, two babies, and so I was bringing up the rear and just and she brought the goats for the baby to have milk. At one time, I sat down on the road. I said, I'm not going. I'm not going. One of the guys that was staying up in our cabin was there, and he encouraged me to keep going because and I thought about it, because I thought, now, Ladema, you can't stop here because you can't get back where you were. You don't know how, so it's better just to keep going. And I did, and it was just crazy.

10:02 We got there and I got everybody clapped when I came around the corner. I was the last one to move around the corner and they clapped because I made it. But there was a lot of people there from another valley. I don't know what valley it was, but they were roasting a critter on a big spick, and at that point I was just mad. I was mad because they didn't tell me it was going to be ten miles long. And when we got there, we had gotten down into this shaded, moist area that had a little brook that kind of came through. It was just like a flat area.

10:46 It didn't have a rushing water at all. It was just like, I don't know if you've ever seen anything like. It's like it just had a stream of water like just babbling down through the center of this ravine like area. And everybody's happy and there, you know, some people were playing musical instruments and it's like a big, happy group of people roasting an animal. And so when I finally looked up to see this animal, I asked, what is that? And they said it was a goat. So I, after walking ten miles with this mama and babies, I said, I can't eat a goat. So yeah, that was my first outing with the commute.

11:36 I'm sorry we got to talk about that for a minute. That's wild. So at any point where like warning bells starting to go off in your mind, like what's happening, I am way out of my league, or you're still. Okay, I'm thinking to myself, I need sugar, I need a cigarette, and I need sugar. At this point, I'm like I'm going through withdrawals from sugar, from coffee, from caffeine, from all this stuff. At the same time, I'm totally out of my element. But I can do this. I can do this. My constitution is that kind of way.

12:19 I whatever. I've been through stuff in my life at that point, and so this I can conquer. I can do this. It's not forever. I'm telling myself, it's not forever. This was nothing. This was nothing compared to what happens later. This is amazing. Okay, So how many people were in Was it like a valley or you said it was a flat area. It was like a valley, and it was very covered, it was very shaded, very cool. Now, we had gone over a gone up a mountain that had pine trees and all kinds of trees and stuff like that and fuliage, and we had gone up a path and then we got up to the top and there was it was like a service road at the very top. It was hardly any trees, but it was a dirt road. And we followed that for a little tiny bit and then we went started going down. And when we went down, we went through the same kind of foliage, pine trees and stuff like that, and into this valley. Area where it was moist and cool. There was like a brook or a probably like a creek that was basically I guess they would consider it dried up, but there was still water running through it. But it was flat. It was weird. It was there was trees that had fallen over into this valley area. It was small. It was small, I would say, about as big as a mall area, you know that you could flatten out a mall. And then it would go up on east side. And I guess some people lived close by there or something, because

13:53 that's where they barbed. They had a barbecue pit with a spick it one of those things to put a big animal on, and barb. One of those was set up there, so I'm assuming they lived close. I never saw their place. What I remember is that I ate some potato salad, and then we got to ride back in a flatbed. Were they playing like guitars or. Yeah, okay, guitars and just hippie stuff. Like hippie songs that you would hear from the seventies. Okay, that's cool, all right. Yeah, And then we got to ride back that evening or that afternoon, that evening, and then I believe that my friend whose name was Star. She was an Indian girl.

14:40 And it's really weird, is that on our way up when we were going through San Francisco, we stopped at Hate Nashbury the corner, which I thought was fantastic. I always wondered that. In records and stuff like that, they talked about that corner being the corner. And I'm sitting in and I'm thinking, at least I got to see this and some guy. I'm sitting there and some guy walked up to me out of the blue and hands me a piece of tile, like a bathroom tile, and hands it to me and says, here, take this, It'll keep you safe until you get to where you're going. And I looked at him, and I took it and I and then he walked away, and so I just looked at it and I put it in my backpack and I just left it like that, you know, I left it there. So that's just one of the weirdest things that comes to first and later on after I get up there.

15:39 When you say Star was an Indian, do you mean Native American or actually from India? Yes, yeah, Native American, thank you. Yeah, she was Native American and so she not that they all drink, but she did drink, but when we were up there, she didn't. But her background was that. But she was a rogue, good girls. She was Okay, she had her bad times, but yeah, she's stuck by me and never ditched me or anything like that. But yeah, we were together through Dick and then all the way and she found me like a year later when I went back to Iowa. Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

16:38 Though, But anyway, yeah, so anyway, so we get back from the picnic and everything, and now I'm at this point, I'm just hearing stories. I'm just hearing stories about how Bigfoot would copy. Now, everybody had a holler up there, and what you would do is you would holler within a distance visiting somebody, and they would holler back, and so you would That's how you would tell them I'm coming, and they would say, okay, I'm here, and you would continue to go and to meet up at their place or whatever. And the thing was going around at that time was that they were assuming that Bigfoot was copying people's hollers, because people would meet up with somebody and say, hey, how come you ditch me the other day, I hollered, you hollered back. I got up to your place. Nobody was there. What did you do? Why did you ditch me? No, I wasn't there. Yes, you worked because you hollered back at me. And this went on for quite a while up there, and so they were assuming that Bigfoot was copying people's hollers. And I don't know. I had my own holler. I had to create how to create one.

18:00 But I always felt like I was being stared at. Always. I never felt alone up there. I always felt like I was being observed when I was up there, from the very get go, from the very minute that I stepped foot on Six's River Road, I felt like I was being stared at. And I looked around and I looked, and I always thought, I wonder if they're in the trees. I wonder if they're in the tree trunks or something. And I did. I looked around just to see if I could find somebody staring at me. I know that one time I was got caught walking along the road by myself, and I could hear a car load of guys coming up the road, and they sounded like they were partying and they were hooping and hollering. I could hear them coming up, and I could tell that they were drunk, and so I jammed down off the road and I hid behind a great big tree, and as they went by, I went around that tree. And for some reason, I got this feeling like I earned some respect from them, because maybe I was hiding from my own people like they hide from us in LA and I just never I didn't feel like I was being stared at anymore. After that, it was weird.

19:16 Oh you think you had maybe earned some respect from the Sasquatch themselves. Yeah, oh, interesting, okay. Because I had to hide from my own people. I had to actually hide from them behind that tree. As they went by, I went around that tree so they couldn't see me as if I were an animal, and if they got me, they would do something bad to be because like, I had to hide from them, and which I did. They were a carful of guys that were drunk and hooping and hollering in this car going up the road. Yeah, I'd hide from them. I was a girl by myself in the mountains. And after that. It's funny because I didn't feel stared at. I didn't feel observed anymore. I felt like I had gone up wrong in the scheme of things. And but yeah, it was pretty crazy anyway. The sipy guy that lived on the river side of the road, he he asked, this is where it gets into the seeing things. He asked if we wanted to sleep outside and stare at the stars, and he said sure. So he took us over by the road in this area where it had some long grass, and we camped out that night, fell asleep under the stars, and we got up the next morning and we walked up onto the road and there was two sets of very large footprints, and I was I just freaked out and was so excited. I was like looking, I put

20:46 my foot in the in one of them, and it was just enormous. I mean, my foot just was nothing in this footprint. And then another foot set of footprints was smaller, but still my foot was nothing in that foot print. And so, being eighteen years old, he's, no, that's so and So's footprint. And because there was a very tall person that lived up there, and I was like, nah, his, but isn't that big. It's not that big and that wide, no way, And so being eighteen years old and healthy and you know, pretty much athletic. I decided I was going to try and jump from one footprint to the next footprint because I couldn't just walk and do it.

21:32 That was just stupid. It was there was no way. So I decided to long jump it. And so I backed up and I took off running as fast as I could and jumped from one footprint to try and get to the next foot and it still couldn't do it. That's the wit the length that the steps were. I couldn't even do a long jump from one to the next footprint. That's incredible. It was incredible. I couldn't believe. I was like, you know, and he was okay. He wasn't like he was excited or anything. And these footprints. The crazy part about it was these footprints came out of the grass along the road right where we were sleeping, at the head of where our heads were out of the grass and then up onto the road where we actually came out of the grass and up onto the road the same place, and I was like they were watching us. They actually came up well, and I didn't know what to say, because to me, I was putting it together, thinking, oh my god, they were watching us. They actually looked at us bad to him because it came out of the grass the same place we did. And so that was my first real evidence that there was something very large with a human looking foot, bigfoot up there. I never heard any kind of like for anything anything. I've heard

23:06 so much since then on podcasts and stuff and people that people have shared, and I can't I've not heard, I think, and I've never heard any of that, none of the all the animals, crickets and everybody gets real quiet. I've never heard anything like that happened. The only thing. The next thing that happened was we had been up there for about four months and the last night we were there, I had taken that that tile out and we're reading out of the Bible, and I just happened the line that the sides of this tile up with the sides of the cabin and realized that the tile had six sides to it and the cabin had six sides to it. And we were in sixes, Oregon. And I looked at my friend and I said, we got to get out of here. I go, this is sixty six.

24:00 We gotta go. Oh my goodness, Wow, I go this tile. I go. First of all, my question is what if I never stopped. This will keep me saving until I get to where I'm going? What if I never stopped? But then again, I think maybe this tile needs to stay here. So I found a knot hole and I put it in the not hole. So I stayed with the cabin. And when I did that, I put it in the hole in the cabin. And then it became dark, and uh so we turned the kerosene lamp out as it got dark, because we didn't want the construction people to see the light up in the mountain, because we didn't want them coming up there and dusting in and who knows what they had burnt down the cabin that we were going to stay in that was right across the river, and so we didn't want them knowing where we were this time, because there is no way to get down that mountain in a hurry, none at all.

25:05 You kill yourself. We turned the terrosine lamp out, and I remember getting up on the top bunk and I was laying there and I was listening to what I thought, And to this day, I still think that it was a jet and I was thinking how close to the sky I was being up there in the mountain. Now, up there with no light, you can't see your hands, you can't see anything in front of you. It is dark. I mean it is dark. And so you could lay there with your eyes open and it's just black. And I'm listening to this jet going overhead, and all of a sudden, I'll play it for you, all of a sudden that it was like right outside the cavin. Now I was up on the top bunk, so I got I got plastic right there.

26:12 Wow, and. I just froze. I know she froze. We just froze. I didn't breathe, I didn't blink, I didn't do nothing. I just lay there. What the hit was that? It was like, oh my god, we're gonna die. I didn't think it was a bear. I tried to convince myself all these years, for several years, that it was a bear. But common sense tells me if that was a bear, it's October. That bear would have ate us. The bear would have ate it. It would have come barreling through that Ricky ol Kevin and ate us because it's time to go to sleep, and it would just say this, but it didn't. I didn't hear it come towards the Kevin and I didn't hear it go away because we just neither one of us moved. We didn't twitch, we didn't breathe, we didn't do nothing. We just laid there.

27:07 I think if we would have done anything like jumped up and ran around crazy and things would have been different. But we just didn't move a muscle. We didn't talk. We didn't. The only thing I said was did you hear that? And she said yes, that was it. The whole night, fell asleep, probably with my eyes opened, I don't know. And when I woke up, when I opened my eyes and it was daylight, I jumped out of that bed. We packed our backpacks and we were out of. There all right. How far away from the cabin would you say? That sound was? Maybe ten feet?

27:47 I could hear, goodness, I. Could hear the air moving in its chest. Oh man, that plastic. Wouldn't have been there. I swear to god, my hair would have moved. It was so frightening and traumatizing that I thought I was going to die. I did. I thought we were going to die. I thought, this is it, this thing is going to kill us. I took it as a warning that we needed to get out of there, that it was telling us. I don't know. And this is the crazy thing, because some people say that there's a paranormal thing about it, there's an alien thing about it.

28:32 I just want to know. There's so many recordings of these vocals where you hear a plane in the background. That's what I'm noticing. I want to know, you know, that's really interesting. Yeah, there's always if you listen to some of these vocals, you'll hear a plane in the background. Did they get dropped off? Is this something that where did it come from? I know that it's been talked about throughout thousands and thousands of years, and I know that as a people we are expanding and encroaching and stuff. You would think that with us encroaching and that they would I don't know.

29:20 I guess there's some nice ones and there's some not some nice ones, and then there's ones that are going to warn you right to get the heck home. And I think that's what That's how I interpreted that that war, if you would call it that, it was so long and so frightening. Like I said, that you could hear the air moving in its chest like a barrel. That's it must have been huge. That's all I can say is this creature must have been huge, because I could hear it the air moving in its chest. When it was doing that, I didn't want to stay. I'll put it to you that way. I just remember waking up in the morning. I was laying there with my eyes open, not wanting to go to sleep, and waking up in a start, and it was light and that was it.

30:14 We were gone. That's wild, you know, it's too wild. It was too wild. And I've been back to the woods in a different area, Sierra Nevadas, bow hunting in my early twenties, and I couldn't tell you. I swear it was a herd of cows, but from what I have been told, it may not have been. It could have been bigfoot pounding on our tent. Well, hold on, before we get there, I need to know how you got out of the hippie commune with no issues. How did that go down? We just packed our backpacks and walked off the mountain and said see you later.

30:55 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages? Okay? And walk down, and we ended up in Who's Day and the adventures continued on. I'll put it to you that way. We ended up on a fishing boat with an old captain. Hold on, hold on, hold on. So you told the hippie commune. You were like, we're out of here, and they didn't try to stop you. They were like, all right, have fun.

31:35 Oh no, yeah, I see you. They were like really yeah, really, oh, because they I don't know if they've ever had ever been approached in that frightening kind of a way at that point. I don't know. I know, I don't even remember saying goodbye to anybody. I truly don't. I don't remember saying goodbye to anybody. And to this day I wonder, I try to search my memory and say, because I'm sixty seven, so did I say goodbye to anybody? But yeah, we were out of there. We were out of there. She had no problem at all, and it was daylight, and it must have just been daylight. I don't remember seeing anybody walking by anybody's house. I was traumatized. I was liket, and for years I tried to tell myself it had to be a bear, it had to be a bear. It had to be a beer. And knowing it was no beer, it was no bear at all.

32:35 That bear would have broke into that cabin and no time and ate. Us absolutely, especially that time of year, as you were saying, October. Yeah, yeah, October, it was time to go anyway because it was going to get really cold. Oh yeah. And we had no winter clothes whatsoever, and no food. We had no food bank. They tried to grow a garden up there. They tried to grow a garden, and so we had to pick the carrots. They were about an inch long. They'll find the carrots. What if and this is just imagining, but what if the Bigfoot was like, hey, these girls are in trouble.

33:15 They need to get out of here. I'm going to scare them away. They are going to be in trouble. I don't know, who knows. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. It was a warning, get the heck out of here. You know not, but this is my area. Get out of here, but get out of here. Get out of here for your safety. Yeah, you don't belong here. Now, I can already tell you don't really want to get into it. But so he went out to Coos Bay and you got on a fishing boat with an old sea captain. Yeah, with some sea captain guy. That fisherman guy had a big fishing boat, no crickety one. And I felt really bad. He wanted to he wanted some people to go out with him go fishing. And there was a girl that he had already gotten. And then Star and I we hooked up with him. He went and bought a bunch of food and everything we got out, I could see the shore. Star got a little sea sick.

34:14 The girl is already sea sick. And they were down below eating salting crackers and stuff. And I was up above and I was like looking at the water, some jellyfishes and stuff, thinking I was on a swim team when I was younger. I'm looking at the shore going No. I don't think I could make it, you know, I have a thing about sea and water. No. And they had a lot of birds flying overhead and everything, and I'm wearing white, of course, And I talked the guy into this old bearded we're talking bearded sea captain to go back to shore because the girls were sick and we needed to get him unsick and so he docked and we ended up staying there, and unfortunately, Are and this other girl bunked on one side of the bottom of this boat shipper. It was a ship, it wasn't a boat. It was it's pretty big. And I got stuck with the sea captain. And yeah, it wasn't bad.

35:19 He wasn't bad. He didn't try nothing. I got stuck up against the side of the boat I got, you know, and he was out on the on the outer side, and I was on the inside, and I finally fell asleep. He didn't snow too bad. But I was cussing my friend out all the time. But he didn't he didn't try anything bad. That's good. No, he didn't try anything at all. But I did wake up hearing these two old cadres going, oh, isn't she so pretty? And then two little sea captains down there. They should have been at the top, but they were down there looking at me. Starr and the other girl were gone, they were up top, and I wake up to these old fishermen staring at me with their beers.

36:05 And then after that, I'm guessing the adventure probably continued for years. Maybe. Oh yeah, we ended up at Gold Beach, which is just a little bit further down and ended up I got to taste the seaweed soup and yeah, and met up with another group of hippies. Oh wow, so you went back to another hippie commune. Actually no, we just passed by, okay, and yeah, passed by them. And then we met up with some two guys from Canada. One guy was an artist and the other guy was his friend, and they had a station wagon and they were heading to I don't know, San Francisco, San Jose, somewhere around, and that was great. I had relatives there, and he was he would take pictures and then he would paint the picture. And so we found a misty mountain and he gave me a long robe light thing with the hood and had me stand out on this peak with the fog and everything and pose with the robe on because I had to clothes on underneath it. But still I only weighed meybe one hundred and four pounds, so I was really skinny. Yeah, And he took a picture, some pictures of me, and he was gonna paint it, and I was like, whenever.

37:23 Do you think he actually made a painting? There's a painting of you somewhere. Probably wow? Probably? Yeah, probably, I would assumed that he did what he said. His friend was really cool. I have no idea what their names were or or anything. The day that we hit San Francisco was the day that they caught what's her face? Oh god, she was what was her name she was? She helped rob a bank? Mm hmmmm, I can't remember her name. She's a really rich little girl. And she got together with this group of people and they were robbing banks and stuff, and they what was her name starts with an h? Her she now away, she was wanted, and that was the day that they found her. They captured her in San Francisco. Yeah, that was really interesting. I was like, we were sitting there eating at this little cafe and I was like, what they caught her, Let's get out of here. I'd just come down from the mountains that was real tranquil and everything for four months and then got stared to death and came down and I was like, ah, let's get out of here.

38:34 So how did you get from hanging out with more hippies to than being a bow hunter in this Sierra Nevadas about. I was about eighteen when I was up there in the mountains, and then I met up with somebody who in my early twenties, like twenty two, who would like to hunt. He was a bow hunter, and he invited me on weekend with some friends of his and him to go bow hunting, and I thought that was pretty interesting, and so we went, and we ended up somewhere in the Sierra Nevadas and at this area where it was like there was like a long, like a round meadow that was on a slope, and then the tree line that was like in a circle, and there was a creek that ran along one end of it. And I just remember going out with him and he spotted a deer and he got the deer. He hit the deer with his arrow, which was a sickening sound. I thought it was a sickening sound, and the deer took off, and then we tracked the deer for the longest time, and then we found the arrow. The deer pulled it out, and so we kept tracking the deer and then we lost the deer tracking, so we end with nothing. But that night they were talking about it's always safe to

40:05 light a fire and keep the fire going. So mountain lions will stay away. All trying to predators will stay away. Now in my mind, I'm thinking bears don't care. Maybe light mountain lions do. I wasn't sure. But we were in our tent and sleeping, and all of a sudden there's this pounding on the ground. I was just shaking and things were hitting both sides of the tent. We jumped up, not jumped up, but got up on our hands and knees and started hugging each other in the center of the tent because we thought for sure whatever was happening, I always thought it was a herd of cows.

40:49 Now I hadn't seen a cow the whole time we were there. Where they had come from, who knows, So that was silly to think that over the cows. And then I'm thinking, if herd the cows running, what's chasing them. We got out of the tent and there was nothing different. The campsite was not trotted over, there was everything was still set up like it was supposed to be. Nothing has turned over or trampled on or like it should have been. So I'm assuming then then it was bigfoot missing with this, it had to be. It was horrible it was frightening. It was so scary. We thought for sure the cows were going to trample that tent, it was going to just run it over. We were like hugging each other and yeah, it was really scary. And this lasted for a good four minutes, five minutes. I mean it was constant of battering on the tent, both sides.

41:58 Wow. Yeah, And so after all these years, I'm you know, thinking, yeah, and I think it was cows. And then yeah, eventually you get back to Iowa. I heard you mentioned that in passing before. Yeah, yeah, I get to Vegas and then I end up. I ended up in Iowa between the eighteen and the twenty two. I ended up there when I was nineteen until I was twenty one. And that's when satt Star Girl showed up my mom's door. I didn't even know. I gave her the address and she stayed there for about six months or so. She didn't really fit in there.

42:43 I wasn't sure I fit in there. But yeah, I got a job as a nursing assistant, and that's when I got into genealogy and stuff like that. But yeah, wow, yeah, and I'm guessing Iowa probably not too many crazy adventures. I know, I live out here, so I know, yes, not too many crazy adventures to have. Yeah, yeah, only one, and that was I babysat for this person. He paid for it. But they had two wolves they had out there, and these wolves were in pins that the pins were chaining fences that were like go through eighteen feet high, and then they had some German shepherd dogs and stuff. He left me with a gun and some instructions, and as I was being given the tour, the female wolf got loose and was stocking me and we turned around and she was just not ready to leap on me when the lady saw that and yelled at her and took her back to the pin.

43:42 But yeah, I was to keep them separate and make sure that wolf didn't climb that fence and get out, because they would fight the German shepherds and the wolf. And just the day before these people were coming back from this trip that they took. The wolf got the male wolf climbed that fence, climbed that eighteen foot chaining fence and got out, and I got the dogs in just in time. I didn't care about the wolf being outside. I just didn't go out I made it for the people to come back. Yeah, that was crazy. I thought for sure I was gonna have to It. Was Madred.

44:23 Yeah yeah, I mean I've driven through it before, so yeah, I know where it is. That's crazy down, that's crazy little. Yeah, and it was. It was out in the boonies out there on a couple of miles outside of town. So it's crazy. I've seen some things in that town that worked like speaky. Oh really, Oh yeah, you know you could drive through the country out there and find things hanging from trees that you know, what the heck is like people I don't know. It was like, oh no, it's like you know, like skin and animals. Who what they is that late seventies you said, right, yeah, that was the late seventies big for.

45:12 Society will be right back after these messages. So that was seventy eight seventy nine about that area timeframe. It different time, yeah, yes, And people were like nuts. There was a Madrid is very clique ri clicky yeah. And I was from Las Vegas, seeds and that's what they saw. That's what they knew of me. I was a hooker from Las Vegas is how they saw me.

45:53 Okay, gotcha. Yeah, that wasn't right. Matt. What probably the most unique life story of anyone I've ever talked to for the podcast Ledema. This is incredible. You've got such an interesting story, and on top of it all, you get to tell bigfoot stories through it too, which is really cool. And it sounds like today you're still now you're watching podcasts, listening to podcast because of what happened in your past. Yeah, it's crazy, because you know, I never shied away from talking about it, and I didn't care if you didn't believe me because I believe me, and I didn't care what you did rolled your eyes. I don't care.

46:40 I don't care. I feel bad for you for thinking that I'm lying to you because I'm glad that I experienced it and I know what I know, and I know they exist. I've seen the footprints, I heard them, and I talked to people who have heard them and experienceerience them. And now listening to podcasts like yours and the people you interview and stuffs get used to it. They're there and they're going to be there. And now what I would like is for someone to be able to break through the communication aspect of it and find out how to communicate with them so that we can find out more about them. Absolutely and find out I know that they're trying, but I don't know if they're trying for the right reasons.

47:44 Oh wow, that's deep. Yeah, I think they're just trying for public you know, the publicity of it. I don't know if they're trying to find out for the aesthetics of it, the academic part of it, the person to bigfoot. I would think that there are more than unfortunately a few researchers or people interested in bigfoot specifically for either trying to get famous, trying to and they don't really care about the people that are experiencing things helping them, or the actual creature itself. And there's not a lot of that which makes it scary if it's actually discovered, hopefully someday that is there even going to be a conservation effort.

48:32 Sometimes you find a person that is on the right track of communicating, that's doing the apple thing and the peanut butter thing and really trying to become friends, have a relationship with them as far as that goes. But the thing that gets me is when they have when they get these samples is evident and samples and they test them and they find that there's it comes out that the DNA is of an unknown species. Okay, there's got to be categories of unknown species, okay, and if these unknown species are falling into the same unknown species, then that has to be Come on, now, that must be bigfoot, you know what I'm saying, especially if it comes you know what I'm saying, it's if people are bringing in hairs that are not a wolf, if they are not a bear, they are not, but they're unknown species.

49:37 And this scientist over here or over around the world, and every every there's this category of unknown species, then that has to be you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Absolutely, it's got to be bigfoot. I'm hoping that we get some answers, hopefully in the next few years. We will Hopefully the more more info gets out there, more people will share what they've seen, and more connections will be made, and. Well, the whole thing is the scientists will back down. There is that I need proof, I need proof of a bifut, I need proof. I need to see the body.

50:18 And so it's okay, you've seen the hair, you've seen a fingernail, you've seen the tooth, you've seen this as falling in this category of unknown. Of course, it's unknown because we don't have the body, and I doubt we're ever going to have a body. Why have a body of everything in the world. No, but we have seen things. We still don't have the body of everything. I would think I'm gonna have to lift that up. So the way I look at it is if even someone was able to let's say someone did get a body, they probably didn't leave the area alive because they probably there were other ones that just took them out. That's what I think happens.

51:11 That's what Yeah, that's what they say. What happened is if you kill one, you're in trouble because the other ones are going to get you and your family. And you know, when you think about it, that's no different than a human retribution. That's the way a human thinks too. I mean, we have a conscious and we have to not do that because we understand laws and blah blah blah. But we're talking about we're talking about an animal that has no law, and so but yeah, I don't know, I don't think i'll see it.

51:51 You never know. You never know redeema. Thank you so much for chatting tonight. It has been a pleasure, and thank you for sharing your life story and what you encountered and it's just been a really fun time. Thank you, Thank you all I pick for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Cindy today. Cindy's an individual that shared her story in the Facebook group I have, which is Bigfoot Sightings and Research. I should check it out if you haven't yet. But she was sharing what was going on in there, so I asked if she wanted to come on the show, and Cindy, you're down there in Oklahoma, but it's a privilege to have you on today. How's it going? Thank you very much. It's privilege to speak with you.

52:33 So it's going on right. How you did today? Doing great? We were talking about that before the show. How it's snowing up here and probably not snowing for you down there. So it's definitely called what we consider code, or what I consider code anyways, but absolutely yeah, So I like Iowa. That's a beautiful today. It is. Yeah, there's some hidden parts of it that are pretty beautiful, that is for sure. I'll agree with you, Cindy, I want to make the best use of our time here today. Okay, do you mind if I have you take us back to where this all started? You know how far back you'd let us know that in the general area.

53:14 Yeah, certainly. So it's going to go back to two thousand and six. That's going to be my first So I guess knowledge were here about of what they call the body Boggy Bottom, the Boggy Bottom Monster. I think that's what's called him, and so he's it's it's story that's been around for years and years, but my knowledge of his existence came in two thousand and six and I was actually pregnant with my youngest son. It's time, so I found it to be hysterical. But I live in like the southeastern part of Oklahoma, and a lady that lives close to where I live now, I woke up one morning and was just outside on a port and I guess it's like July two, say something like that, and she heard wrestling. It's some stuff going going on, and the bushes went on next to her home, and I guess when she walks around to the side of the house, she said that she's seen what she considered to be called the Bigfoot, and it snarled letter and it scared her so much that she called nine one one because she didn't know she's having a panic attack or if she's having a heart attack. And so they had Bigfoot members come or search team come down from Washington.

54:30 They're all over the place here and it's Infolk County, and they deemed it to be that he has gone through here and that there's a bigfoot that lives in the area. I moved off and back since then, and so I guess maybe a couple of years ago. No, this has been I guess maybe like maybe three years or three or four years ago. I was on the phone, went back to book. So we were involved in an accident and it ended up putting my son into a wheelchair. And then so with that said, I was on my way to pick my son up and he was across the street from my parents home, visiting and way in the country. So I told him, I said, whenever I turned down the road, then I'll call you and you go ahead and leave the house and that way we'll meet at Nana's and then in pot balls. And he said, okay, So I called him and said, I'm on my way or I'm turning down the road now, and he said all right, and so he took off from the door.

55:29 And then as he was strolling down the dirt road, all of a sudden, I hear him. He's like, I guess four years ago he'd been fourteenth time. I was like, oh crap. And then I just hear him like his breathing just changed and he was going super fast. I think it was a changing because he wasn't hear He wasn't hear me anymore. I was like playing his name over and over, and so I sped up. And about the time that I got in view of my parents home, he was darting across the highway or the road. And. I pulled him right after him, and I'm like, what is going on with you? And he goes, Mama. I felt like I could see something on the corner of my eye, and when I turned, it was too big to be what I was. What he thought was a deer, And so that's when he said he cussed and started going as fast as he could across down the dirt road, and he said it was keeping up with him, and he could tell the difference between a four layered creature and two layered creature going through the woods. So it was keeping up with him. But as soon as he crawled hit the tree line there at the road that I was on, of course it stopped. And that's when he started across the road and I got caught up with him. The next thing town the next story, I would have he was shocked out for it for about it for quite some time because he's I don't know what it was. I just heard a snarl at me.

56:54 I don't know if it was like he was calling it. I don't know what is. It doesn't matter, but you know what it was. He knew that it was big stew legged and it was chasing him through the woods as he was on the dirt road. And I've been told that down to like the they were just being the best. Quatch was just being territorial or wanting to see what he was up to. And then my mom, my grandmother's house is much deeper into the woods. It's also in the same county. About a year after that, so a couple maybe two three years ago, she had told me that she went over to my grandmother's home to feed the horse and mact he's not a very nice horse, right, he's he will keep anything and everything out of that field. And so she went to feed him, and she said that she started hearing something big coming through like the tree line or creek area there, and just the smell was overwhelming, but it caught the horses attention enough to where he stood still and aris perps forward.

58:05 He wasn't moving. I said, what did you do? She goes, I just slowly turned and walked back to my vehicle. She goes, the horse, see, he didn't move. He didn't move for a long long time. And I said, what do you think, she goes, I don't know what it was. I just know it was big. I could see branches moving through the trees and it stoed as wow, that's really crazy. But she's got more stories than I do. She just hasn't ready to share very man of them. But that's the most recent. Actually, the most recent would be I moved to the area, actually to that general area, to that exact area, and so I was out breaking leaves. I worked nighttime, so I was off and I was like, didn't work at nighttime? Hypherreacon leaves up and I have a pit for my own protection. And he's a big, burly dog. But as I was breaking, all of a sudden, just this long mona tell him how. It wasn't a hound dog. I've been around how dogs all my life.

59:02 It wasn't even a bullhorn because people around me they sleep at night and they're old or older, and so nobody was up. It was just me up and this long, monotone monotone howl came out and it was eerie. It was like it was really close. It was like at the end of my property line, which is I have a pond back there and my home. I just moved in here recently. It's been vacant for several years. There was one person who lived here, but they like bolted after two months of staying here. I can understand why, because it's creepy here. There's no security light out there, so it's just black, this pitch black outside. But that wasn't the only time. So when when he when I heard the how it wasn't until it was almost finished that the dogs picked up and started barking, and I go looking around from my dog and he's telling he's going inside, So I'm like yelling at him. To get back out here. Then figured out I'd better go inside too.

1:00:02 That was the first time I heard it. Now I saw I've told people about it. Nobody wants to believe that I've heard the towel and they laugh about it. I'm like, I've gone through every sound I could possibly go through. I said, what type of animal it could be out here, and there's nothing that comes close to it. There's absolutely nothing that I can find. And so I've heard it again. And it's about two o'clock in the morning that I hear it. I guess he goes down to the water to the plan and doesn't like mine again. I was outside break and leaves and burning leaves, beigs. A society will be right back after these messages.

1:00:53 I don't know. I don't know. But he held again, and this time he held twice, and both the first time the dog stayed silent, and then the second time then they picked up. I hit my dog, eat tucktail and ran inside. And I'm like, okay, it's time for me to go into because my big burley dogs running inside, I'm following them. That's about all I got other than here recently. This week, actually, at the beginning of this week, we didn't have any of it was now, it wasn't a storm going, there was no wind. It was just as still as it could be. But things for being were dropping on top of my roof, and it was like stunning was running up there. I don't know what it was. But when I got the next morning and I went outside, look, I had three lens all over my roof. I don't know how they got there, because the tree that's next to the home, it's a real healthy tree and it's not gonna be breaking dropping big old limbs like the size of my legs and stuff on top of my roof. There being some sort of storm going on, or that's the way I see it.

1:01:58 I don't know. I'm not a next on any of it. I just just know what i've heard, and I know what I've witnessed, and I know that there's something big and hairy and loud or I say. So, that's some really interesting stuff that's happening pretty much current day. So you can actually hear something running like it sounds like something running across your roof from inside. Oh yeah, absolutely, listen my cat Okay, so I have a cat. Cat comes inside too, and the cat and the dog will both look up at the ceiling pace, so I keep waiting to see sheet rock coming down or something I swear as like trying to dig a hole or something to my roof. And there's so many something that's help on my roof at night, and it's not every night, it's just every now and then. At first I blew it off as being foops out by being a city girl coming into the country. But I've always been in the country that lived in the City's being a new place and it's being strange to me.

1:02:59 But no, when I went out there and see all those limbs on my house and there being no storms, it was dead, it was silent. My friend said that they they went outside the other night and noticed that my dog didn't want to go with them, and he felt something staring at him. So he said he's seen what he's seen, because he can't really tell me, just that it was something that was close to my home that took off back into the woods. And I just I don't know. I don't know what's out there. I just know it creeps me out, and being here out here by myself, it's scary.

1:03:43 That's some really interesting stuff for sure. When it runs across your roof, does it affect anything inside? Do things fall off the walls anything like that? No, I don't really know. Yeah, and sudden there's something that they're lying because you can tell, you know, you can tell the difference between two legs and four legs. It's definitely two legged. It's definitely two legs that's running across my room. I don't know, but no, it's just really loud. Like I said, I don't have much stuff on the wall, so and what I do have on there, they're throwing there pretty good. But no, nothing comes off the walls. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I just know that it's I don't think it likes to be in here. It makes sense, especially if you were saying that it hasn't had anyone. There's been no one in that house over the last few years, so it's gotten used to being able to do whatever it wants. Are you also cleaning up the area, taking down trees, clearing brush anything like that?

1:04:42 Now, just uh, you know the whole leaf breaking thing, it's like I said, it was, Uh, the house has been empty, but the house was tore up and then the owner. They remodeled and everything. Like said, there's a pun at the end of my property line is shared between me and two or three other people. It's really big, pond. I think that's it's on it's water and home. It's got to be because the sounds coming from there. That's where their house is talent from and it's when I'm outside burn and leaves. So I don't know. It's big, it's creepy. Got on the whip of it. But maybe I'm down one or up win from it. So are there a lot of deer and animals around.

1:05:25 The property, massive amounts of beer, massive amounts of beer. Also there were we just went to here season or deer season. But yeah, there's always deer running around. And that's I said. I'm off in the woods. That's away from city lights, away from well, there's night and security lights out here. So that's very desolate and dark, very dark, Cindy. If there's something you wanted to try to do too, probably get the activities are good, go down a little bit. You could always consider putting up some game cams around your property. Most people will say that if you put those up, it may get them to clear out just because they don't like the infrared. It freaks them out and they'll clear out, So that might be something to consider.

1:06:18 That's a you can get some pretty cheap, like even at Walmart or whatever, but a few of those around your house might help out a bit. I have security cameras set up around the house, but for some reason, my the base thing that they connect to as I wanted to work properly, so I can't get recorded footage of it or anything or leaving with the recorded sounds. I was really hoping to have had that for you or something like that, but I don't know. And then okay, so that night that I had the limbs going on my house and the running across the roof. I have a security light out back, and it's really weird because last night I went outside and I just had to put up. But when I went out there, it was like before I even got off my back porch, my securre lights come on. But that one particular night, oh that's another story. That one particular night I had walked outside and the light hadn't come on yet, right, So I was walking trying to walk up to the water's picket. Then my dog he comes bolting out the door and like charging at me, and I was thinking, oh my gosh, my dog's freaking out. He bypasses me and keeps in front of me. And when he takes a stance into the dark and growling and barking and a lot of friend around, I told him back inside.

1:07:39 But when I went out there last night, before I even got off the port, the light, the security light come on. But that one particular night, I was almost too the waterspicket and it was still dark. It hadn't even clicked on yet. I don't know when my dog ranch and started barking and were growling, and then he was quick behind He was behind me quick too. So I'm glad you do have that dog there with you. Though you know a lot of people it sounds like are not taking you seriously. But I would say to take this stuff seriously. I've gotten I've talked to a lot of people over the years from a Tooka county, and there's some wild stuff that goes on down there, especially over by McGee Creek Recreation Area. I don't know if you know where that is, but some really wild stuff that's happened over there over the years.

1:08:27 Yeah, that McGee Creek is the east of where I am or northeast where I am. I'm more towards I'm closer to Lake Texoma than McGee Creek. Oh, Okay, Texoma is a different story. There's so much, so many wild things that happened on at Lake Texoma. There's everything from Bigfoot to haunted stuff to other preachers running around and dog man like that whole area is just out of control. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well that's what I'm saying that you know, my son was he was calling it was Oh, I can't remember what he's trying to say that it could have been that was chasing him. But I just know there's something out here and that's creepy and I don't like it. And I'm thankful to having a dog because if it ever does come through the roof, I'm certainly pushing him on it so I can get away a little bit or have a little bit of time get out right. I don't want to be anywhere near whatever's on top of my roof.

1:09:23 Well, the city. I hope it doesn't come to that. If it does, you at least have that dog and hopefully that dog instincts kick in and it's ready to go after it. And also the great thing about this is that you're talking to your neighbors, which is awesome. Oh yeah, right, I'm talking to people around here that live around here, and I trying to say with the older generation because I can get good I can get better stories from them. They know what's happening around here. And like I said, they call him the body bottom monster, but he's definitely a monster. Like I said, that was the area is I've ever heard was that hel and nobody around here is going to be out blowing some bullhorn at two o'clock in the morning and there's no other There's no creature that I've ever heard that made that sound. My perciple say that much like the shows on TV where they mimic a sound from him. And that was the memory that comes to my mind when I heard the howl.

1:10:29 Like wow, it sounds like you might be trying to actually capture some sound out in that property. Is that right? Yeah, I'm trying. If I can get my the module thing that's put the word to all my recordings, I would love to have recording of that sound. That way I can say that listen to this can you tell me what you think this health cased. Oh yeah, absolutely, Now it's even got me out of breath talking about it. Killed. If you wanted to try to get another good solution, you can always it was like a task cam recorder, which is pretty inexpensive, and then you can set that up like you could put that outside on the porch and have it record during a certain you know, certain hours of the day so you don't fill it all up.

1:11:14 And now there's different things you can do, but definitely keep me informed about things that will probably continue to happen on this property. Oh absolutely, absolutely, Well I'll keep such with you. The more admie that I can get or the more encounters I have, I'll lets you know each one. Absolutely. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Cindia. Is a pleasure chatting with you. Good Thank thank you very much. Have a good day. All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Chris today. Chris is an individual that joined my Facebook group that I have Bigfoot sightings and research. So I reached out to Chris after seeing what he had posted about a sighting he had in the Hampshire County area of Massachusetts, which if anyone's a longtime listener of the show, they know that I am originally from western Massachusetts, up in the Northfield area. This is a little bit further south of that area, but Hampshire County is very interesting.

1:12:14 I've gotten a lot of reports over the years from things that happened in Granby Mount Holyoak, even the Quabn Reservoir area. And what Chris will be sharing today is an area that's in that same kind of region. So it's a pleasure to have you on the show today. Chris, how's it going. Pretty good? Pretty good? Thanks for having me. What would you like me to start with? Go ahead and feel free could share time frame when this happened the general area, so that listeners would be able to picture where this happened and what you experienced during the time. Okay, just to get started. I was always a kid who was in the outdoors. From the time I was a little six seven years old. My father started new fly fishing. He was very much an outdoorsman itself. And I lived at that point in hand in Massachusetts, which is west and I grew up fishing Wilbraham Mountain, US.

1:13:14 I was always up on there and I was very comfortable being in the outdoors, and I wound up going as time went five, when I was a teenager, passed high school and everything. I got into UMass and I started going, and I lived in AMers and we used to every few weeks. I'd get a load of a load of laundry and want some real food going. You mess at that point that the meal plan wasn't very good, and at this point it's very much better, but it's also a lot more expensive anyway, So I'd go home on the weekends, and my mom cooks really good food. So I brought a friend of mine with a skid rocky that I grew up with and and I were bugs from the time I was like twelve. So we spent the weekend, did my thing, got bed hung out of my house, and then we decided to go home Sunday and I lived. You know, if you've ever if you know Massachusetts, if you want to get to Amherst, there is a root called Route nine, which you know, heads west and you go through this area in which they flooded four towns called the Fob. And you know, I was pretty knowledgeable about the area. I know where in belter Town pretty well, because I spent a lot of time going through them, getting back and forth from Amalyst.

1:14:28 But I also fished the fob and live. I'd sneak in on Gay eight and i'd walk in. There's about a mile walk to the shore, and I fished the shoreline and I was very comfortable in the area. And I also fished the Swift River too, which which runs right under Root met and so I was not unfamiliar with the area. Anyway, we're going back, and I had this big old boat. Everybody has a hooty bar when they're in college, and I had this big old boat. It was a nineteen sixty eight Poniat that arena and it had it didn't have collage of lights. It had the old style lights which weren't too strong. But anyway, so we're going along on I just passed in the blocklom fifth Factory, which if you know that area, there's not a whole lot out there. You passed where on the way to Belchertown. And we just passed there and it was about sunset.

1:15:17 Big for society, who would be right back after these messages. There was still some light out, but we were losing light, and it was in the fall. I think it was in October, and we're going along. It's probably about six thirty seven and six thirty seven pianish, not quite dark yet, but it's not light and anyway, so we're driving along. There's nothing there. There's no houses, no structures, there's no people. We were the only car on the road at the time, and all of a sudden, this thing breaks out of the brush. And the best way I could describe how it looked is it was running on two feet, but it ran in a weird motion. It didn't have a normal human gait. I would call it like it turned its legs side blas a little bit a look and its arms were I normally evolved. I would say it looks somewhat. I got a really good look at it.

1:16:19 It looked somewhat like a mix of a person and rang its hand like it's arms like normally people have their arms down to their butt, like you can put your arms down to the side of your butt. This thing had arms not quite to its knees, but it was down past where people wanted to have their arms. When it ran, it didn't really run because the thing that struck me about it is. It walked like at running speed, and it glided like you've seen a person alpine gliding. It was that kind of emotion and it cloked through the woods and it shocked he you know, my parent, my hackle stood up and I couldn't speak, and I'm watching this thing run across the road. Was actually a it's a two hilt, but the good size made and it was it seemed like it was across it in two seconds and until it was gone, and we were going probably about forty I remember this very vividly.

1:17:13 I can picture everything because it was burned into my brain. And this thing was across the road very fast, and it was almost dark, and the woods were definitely dark. And another thing that struck me, it was ringing into the steam. And I spent a lot of time outdoors and unmust you're on a trail. If if it's dark, then you run into woods, You're gonna fault. You're not gonna be running along. But this thing ran into the woods and by the time I got up to it, it was gone. And I'll tell you what, I was not even thinking about stopping. I was literally freaked out. Wasn't saying anything and there was a long silence. My friend Rocky and I drove a little while before anybody either one of us. I'm like, I'm not saying anything because I wasn't sure if he saw it. If you blinked, you would have missed it.

1:18:03 And I wasn't sure if he saw it. And the first thing, ironically, the first thing that came out of his mouth was did you just see a big foot? And it was so it was so surreal because having grown up, you know, spending a lot of time in North Carolina and being outdoors a lot, I would have said that it would be more likely that I would see one of these things in the North Carolina. So it turned out to be close to home in Massachusetts and all the cold weather and everything. But it opened my mind. I would like, you know, is it possible that these things exist? First I was in denial a little bit, but the more I thought about it, I'm like, that was definitely not a human because it just didn't look right and it was covered with brownish hair and I didn't get a good it was dark enough, but I didn't get a good look at its face. But I saw the outline and rough color and shape of his body very clearly, was probably something like seven between fifteen and seventy yards from my cart, and my headlight's hidden enough that I could see it. But it's always been in my head ever since, and I'm of the belief that they're out there. I seen his believing. I never would have thought that this would have happened where it did happen because of the weather and it's harsh in the wintertime in Massachusetts. It's not you know, it's not a temperate place like North Carolina. I could totally see I could live outdoors three sixty five a year in North Carolina because it's just it's very lush and it's very plentiful. Animals have it hard in Massachusetts. They do.

1:19:35 It's like the wintertime is, you know, the winter time is very bitter. So would I have thought it would have happened there now? And I wouldn't have thought it would have happened period. And you know, it's funny because I haven't seen my friend for years, like he moved off. He's living in Philadelphia now, and I've always wanted to talk to him again about it because it was it left such an impression on me, and I want to be clear that I think they because I saw one. But if these things are out there, they're not in I don't believe there are any great numbers because being an avid sportsman, I spend time hunting, I spend time fishing. I can't at least a week to year, I'm comfortable being outdoors and I've never seen any sign of one of these things before. If they're out there, they're rare.

1:20:20 I don't think they're very common. And I'll tell you what. It's a paradigm shifting experience, like your people, what's what? And then you realize that there's things out there that you don't see or understand or whatever. But I do believe these things are some sort of a primate. I believe it's a natural thing. I think their primates, and I think they live in small groups. I've heard anecdotally from some people that are members of a group there. They asked me if I've wanted to go. I know one of these one of these guys, because my kid does did sports with his kid and I ran into him in the gas station. He had the VFR sticker on his front and he said, you want to walk there? And I'm like, I was like, dude, I was like, I don't want to go out there and see one of these things and have him know that I saw it.

1:21:06 I don't necessarily I'm comfortable with them being there. They don't threaten me. I don't feel unsafe going into the woods. But I don't want to mess with him either. It's you're talking about a wild animal. So I don't know. People like looking for them. I'm good not looking for them. It's just it was interesting that I saw. And the thing that really struck me though when I first saw it is the way it moved. The way it moved was not and the way that it was proportioned was not keen. It was like it was more like crimate like. And the way that it looked was it struck me as halfway between a person a man in the Darragontan. Just the way that its orange were shaped. And it wasn't really huge like people talk about them being massive.

1:21:48 This one was tall, but it was lanky. And I can tell you one thing is I was a young man at this time, and I was in good shape and I could run No way I could have run like this thing. It was just so anyway I hope you found that interesting. That's really all I got. It was only one experience and probably forty something years in the outdoors. Now that is extremely interesting, especially for that area. Definitely have a few questions for you, and I might ask a few things that were already stated, but just to make sure I got them. What year approximately was this again? I want to say it was around nineteen. I graduated in ninety four, so I'm going to say it was about ninety two. I think I was. I think I was twenty two years.

1:22:36 Old, gotcha? And what month of the year would you say? October? October? Yeah? Okay? And it was running broke from the lakeside to the woodside. Okay, what time of day? Right around six thirty seven pm? It wasn't quite It was dust. It wasn't quite sunset on nine There you have so many trees and so much brush that there's the trees itself dark in it quite a bit, so it was almost dark and I had my lights on, but it wasn't quite suns It wasn't quite dark. It was getting close to it. Now, you said lakeside the woodside correct, Looking on a map, does that mean when you say lakeside. Do you mean the Quabbin Reservoir side.

1:23:20 Yeah, on the reservoir side it ran as we were traveling west. It ran right to left into the woods. And so you said this was right after the fish hatchery going east. After it was a little a couple maybe a mile or two after the Glafflin fish Asterery. Because I made a mental note that with the fish ashery is very much near the Swift River. Ye, and it's also in your gate. It's also near the winds of Dam. So it was just past that area more into the woods. And the thing that struck me was, I don't know of any trails near where it ran. Across the road. There's a bunch of trails you can hike back there. It's like a hangout place in the summertime. Gotcha, everybody goes to Windsordam School, like I used to roll down the middle when I was a kids.

1:24:10 Okay, Okay, So you were definitely on Route nine. It was after the Swift River, after you go over that river. Yeah, I been in an area before you hit Belchertown that's unsettled. It's just a bunch of woods. And you know, I really didn't it struck me right away. I'm like, what is there out here? Because you want to think. Your brain wants to your brain wants to put it in a place where you can understand it. And I'm like, what is there out there? If there was somebody running around, what would be ready to be going to? Why in the middle of the you know why dark in the woods you can't really see too well. So it just struck me as bizarre. It made me feel and like that there was something not right with it, Like I don't want to get out of this park. First I was like I got to see this, what is this?

1:24:53 And then I thought it twice about it, and I was like, no, you don't want to be out there right now? That that is very interesting right there. So it sounds like listening to the way you're describing it, is that So there's a big WMA there to the that's probably the woods that you were talking about, the Herman Covey WMA. Yeah, it's just there's nothing there. Mmm. But it was past that you're saying. It was pasted any kind of a structure it was in there's a strip book. There's a small strip of woods before you start hitting some there's like a place where they sell equipment and stuff on the left hand side of the road before you get to Belturetown. It was before that, it was between. It was in a place where there's not a whole lot of anything, and there may be trails back there, but I don't know of them. Like the trails that I know. There's one you can hype hike up the Swift River to the dam, and there's some trails running back in there for people to walk around pike and stuff. It was well past that.

1:25:55 I don't know exactly. Probably if I was driving, I could point to you exactly what it was and give you like a mile marker or something like that, because I think I can remember where I saw it. But it's not close to the windsor game. It's a few miles off the road. I think one of the most interesting things that you said in your description is that you saying that as it moved, it was churning its legs sideways. No, what I mean is, can you ever see like every which way but loose? I hate to use the movie reference, but you see the way is pat orangutan walked around when it started running, like when it broke out of the brush. It was Its feet were like sideways. It wasn't like it wasn't walking in the straight like we did when we walk in a straight line, just put one foot in front of the other. This thing was looked like the orangutan a little bit when it came out of the brush. And then it started moving. It saw the car, or it must have been aware of the car, and it hustled across the road. And when I say it moved, I mean it was really fast.

1:26:54 It took off and I was thinking to myself, young man. I was like, as a young man, there was no way I could run like and it was gone. It didn't slow down when it ran into the woods. It just kept going. That is such an interesting description, and remind me how approximately tall you would say. It was hard to say. I know it. It struck me as like a tall human, but it didn't. You see here all these people talk about them being eight feet or anything. I didn't get that impression. But it's really hard for me to say. It was like I said, it was like fifty years fifty to seventy yards up the road. For me, it was not right in front of my car. It was far enough it was far enough ahead of me that I could see it, But I don't know how exactly. I don't know how tall it was. It could have been. It could have been my size. I'm like six feet and it could have been it could have been my size. It could have been a little bit taller. I'm not really sure. But it struck me that it wasn't massive. It was like lanthy, and it had very long limbs, like like its arms were really long.

1:27:55 It's a really unique report. There's a lot of especially the way that you're talking about how it's walking. I'm going to have to look up that movie again, probably maybe find a clip of it. If if what I saw was one of them. They don't bounce like me when we run. There's definitely an up and down component like we were bouncing. This thing just glided. It was smooth. You mentioned that you were not able to see the face, but it sounded like you got to see a silhouette or outline in a way. Enough of it. There was color to it, like I picked out that it was brown. It was definitely brown, but I didn't really see its facial features very distinctly because it was there was enough shadow that I couldn't really make out the space, but I think that would have freaked me out. I was actually glad I didn't because in a way I wish I did, but I was streaked out at that moment. Like I said, I saw this thing and my hackles went up because I knew something wasn't right. Absolutely, And we didn't speak. My passenger and I wasn't alone. I had a witness. My passenger and I didn't speak for a minute. I didn't want to be the first one to say it and think we were just both stunned. And like I said, I've seen pretty much anything on the East Coast that you can see in the woods. Like I've seen Bob pat Links, I've seen Bear, I've seen Turkey. I've seen everything that you can. I've seen bob hoogs. I've seen everything, and this was not one of those. And I'm fricty sure that it was not a human being. There's too many just it was bipedal that was running on two feet.

1:29:30 Could you see a shape to its head at all? I did. It looked the thing that really struck me though it wasn't the head per se, and I didn't see it. I didn't see it in perfect definition, but I will tell you the thing that really jumped out at me right away. I think proportions are all wrong. The arms really got me. And it was lengthy. It was long, and when it ran, it swung. It had these arms that were somewhere between its hip and its knee that were longer than alice, and it swung them in a very pronounced way. When anything that you noticed about the if there was like shoulder with or neck or anything, I found.

1:30:13 It was long. That's the thing that struck me. It was like skinning. And its legs were proportionally like its arms were proportionally longer than it's legs. For us, our legs are long and pretty even proportionately to our ends. This thing's arms are long, absolutely, And I want to try to get something across here because I know there's going to be a lot of listeners that are like, oh, in Massachusetts. One, Oh, it was probably a monkey that escaped from the zoo in Boston or something. No, like, guys, you. Have to primate that runs around the bottom. No, No, you have to understand the place that this is.

1:30:55 It's an extremely wooded area with a very large reservoir, a huge, huge water source and a big food source as well. I don't know if are there still deer all over the place down there. They open up, they started opening up the deer for hunting in certain areas in the bottom that the deer population is pretty good, having hunted myself. The other thing that is notable is a lot of the other wildlife, Like the gray wolves came down from Canada back there was a program to reintroduce them, and I kind of questioned that because I've seen them and wolves can be dangerous. The other thing that you see there in the state of Massachusetts is in denial. The Fish and Game Commission Commission is in denial about the return of the cooiter.

1:31:39 But we got cougter in there, and I haven't seen them personally, but I've seen a good picture of one that was taken near near our dump intown, and I've had multiple reports of other guys that I fishing hunt with they've seen them up close. And there's couger in there, there's wolves in there. There's all kinds of wildlifes. But I did not expect to see what I saw, and I haven't seen it. It's notable that I've not seen another one since, although there are people that claim they've seen them. And one guy interesting that I told you about my son's friend who works with the BFR. There's something new people belongs to, and he asked me if I wanted to come out looking for them with him, and he said he claims that there's an ol by no one that's which struck me as really interesting. But I told him, I said, I'm good with not seeing another one, especially if I'm out in the woods. It's just that would probably freak me out. And I've seen a lot of things I've seen there. I've seen there are close Actually, I've seen lots of wildlife. I've seen moose, and you don't want to get close to those. But if this thing is, if this thing is out there, it's not in any great numbers because I would have seen it. There's some sign of it.

1:32:49 Oh yeah, wow, that guy that that BFRORO investigator is hard to talk to it. We can talk of error. That's a guy I would love to talk to you too, but maybe we'll talk off air about that. But yeah, that the whole area. I've had people reach out to me about sightings in Granby and Mount Holyoake, Like I was saying before, and have you heard other stories over the years of people having sightings in this same county area or further north? Just that, oh, just that one guy in my area. But I know a gentleman from Vermont who I've known ever since I was a kid, and he's from up in place called Stepford, and I've been up there fishing with him around White River Junction and he told me he saw one hunting one time and it scared the living craft out of it. He said he was actually hiking towards a stand and he saw this thing walking away from him. He smelled it first, like he said, they smelled pretty rank. Now, being in a car, I didn't have that sense. I didn't have that sense available to me. But he says they smell terrible. And he says he could smell it. He was in a swampy area and he was walking towards his hunting location and he changed his mind and he went back. He saw this thing walking that way and he said it was massive, but he said it was black. And I know the guy, I've known him pretty well. I don't think he would just make that up at least not. I know him very well, and he's not He's not the type of guy very much an outdoors and like myself, and he's

1:34:19 not the type of guy he's going to tell me that in a one on one scenario and be making it up. So he says he's seen one. That's the only other. Those two people are the only ones I know personally. But mine was so random and so chance. Like I said, I can still see it in my head. It made that much of an impression on him. Hmm. It's just it's one of those fleeting things, but it sticks with the person forever. I imagine it would stick with me forever as well, if I ever am lucky enough to have a sighting. But sometimes when people have these things happen, it will affect their lives and in other ways, or they'll start to experience other phenomena.

1:35:05 Has Do you think it's affected you in any weird ways? Since you've had this sighting. Ever since I was a kid. My dad is he is my family on the North Carolinian side, the part Native American, And I don't feel that it's out of nature. It doesn't bother me. I'm good with it being out there. I just don't want it to go get it anyway. And I look at it this way. It's got every right to be out there, and I think there's a lot of stuff going on. I think people out there know, particularly in our government, our governments, because other governments have admitted these things exist. But the governments in Southeast Asia pretty much take it as they have fossil record. Toos, that's a fossil record and they say these things exist.

1:35:45 And our government, I think there's some reason why they don't want to admit it. I think there's I think there's proof I've seen it and that just once but at once is enough for me. And I think that there's reasons why they don't want to and that they're out there maybe for reasons of protection, protection that sort of thing. Like I said, I think it's out there absolutely. I do want to really quick because I know the right people are listening to this one hopefully. Guys, if you're listening and you have any other information about sightings in this area or the Coobbin or Granby or there's a few of you. I know you've had sightings up in Northfield, gil Greenfield, Warwick that area, but it's just hard to talk to you guys. I love if anyone could reach out and give me more information about sightings in the Franklin County area of Massachusetts, which is just north of this area as well. But it's just it's such a rare thing to have someone from your area come on the show, and Chris, I just want to say thank you so much for coming on and for sharing what you experienced back in nineteen.

1:37:01 Yeah, it's very it was very formative. Yeah, changes your perspective a little bit. There are some people that I think that are traumatized by it, and I'll be honest, I mean it was shocking, but I wasn't scared. I wasn't scared per se. But I've always had a healthy respect for wild animals and I would not want to confront one of these things, or I would not, I'll tell to be honest, true, I think it could be potentially dangerous and go seek them out. I wouldn't do that. That's just me. I just happened to run into one. And they're like any wild thing out there. They you don't know one hundred percent how they'll react if they have young near them, Like one time my father and I walked into a mama with her cubs, and that was the tense moment, like we just slowly backed off.

1:37:49 So these things will protect their young, their wild things, and I think it's afraid. I think you shouldn't be terrified. Or I hear these stories about the guys who sell their fishing stuff and won't go in the woods anymore. I'm not one of those, but I wouldn't go looking for this thing, and I think that it could be potentially very I mean, I was alarmed, but not terrified. There are some people that have a really bad reaction to seeing them, or say they do, and I don't think that's necessary. But at the same time I would. I'm content to leave them be. They can do their thing. I think those are good words to end out with. And thank you again so much for coming on the show, Chris and sharing what you experienced that day. No problem, You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

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