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His Rottweiler Started Crying. Then Something Followed Them for Miles

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His Rottweiler started crying. Branches snapped on both sides of a Washington forest trail. As he hurried toward his car, something followed him and his dog for miles.


In Bigfoot Society Episode 1216, a former forest firefighter recounts the morning walk that ended with two brown, hairy heads visible above the bushes. Local acquaintances had warned him about the “tall people” moving through those woods. He says he returned the next day and discovered footprints in several sizes.


Jeremiah Byron also hears about a childhood sighting near a Minnesota cabin, an unforgettable scream in rural Pennsylvania, and an Oregon hunter whose grandson says the encounter kept their family from returning to a longtime hunting spot.


Hear firsthand accounts and family stories of reported Bigfoot sightings, unexplained forest sounds, and encounters that stayed with witnesses for decades.


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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you firsthand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible.

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From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms

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and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere, and each

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one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are

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the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle

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in because today you'll hear another account that just might

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change the way you see the woods forever. So stay

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with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he

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continues his fight against cancer. For more updates about his

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medical journey, please go to the CaringBridge link below. in

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the show notes.

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Thank you.

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Hey, Brendan, this is Jeremiah from a Bigfoot society. I

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saw you put in the comments that you had a

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sighting in McGrath, Minnesota.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I did. Um, back in the probably 78, I think.

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And my parents were, we had a cabin, a log cabin,

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and they were adding onto it.

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And, um, So the logs go vertically, as you can imagine.

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And so on the new addition, we had the three

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sides of the logs that were attaching to the existing structure.

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And it was in the morning, and my brother and

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I got up, and we went to go outside. Well,

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we had the three walls built.

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And they were maybe five feet up at this point.

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And the first log of the structure was bigger, was

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a bigger diameter. So you could kind of step up

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on it and you'd step up on it and you'd

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kind of lift yourself to look over the top log

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of the wall. And as we did that, um, we

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saw this at, when I saw it, I thought it

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was a guy with a dead deer, uh, on his back.

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Like he's carrying it around his shoulders. And, uh, it

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was in the fall. And here's the, here's the weird

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thing is we didn't have a context for it. We didn't,

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you know, We didn't know about Bigfoot. That wasn't in our,

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you know, vocabulary or, you know. And so this person,

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you know, I thought it was somebody stealing someone else's

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deer that they just shot. And it's running kind of

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towards the cabin, kind of running diagonally to how our

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property sits and through the woods.

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So it's kind of coming towards us.

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And about, oh, I don't know, 60 feet, maybe, I

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don't know, would that be 100 feet, maybe 120 feet?

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I'm, you know, around there.

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There's this tree, and it goes and squats behind the tree.

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And when it squats behind the tree, it's actually....

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Right in front of us.

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So we could see it, you know, the side of

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it is it's squatting down behind the.

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Tree, but we could see the full side of it.

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And it squats down and everything, everything, all the movement

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was like really fluid. It squat down and it kind

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of looked, was kind of looking around and it looked

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over and it saw us.

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You know, these two heads overlooking, you know, this cabin wall.

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And it gets this surprised look on its face, like

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it had been caught or something. And when it, and

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so when it saw us, it had this surprised look,

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and then it jumped up and ran basically the same

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direction or perpendicular to us um back into the woods

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and when it did that i don't know if you

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or any of your listeners have spooked a deer or

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see how a deer can kind of just up and

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jolt it had that kind of speed and fluidity um

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you know it it A human doesn't run like that.

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It was so smooth, and it just was gone, the

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way it accelerated. And when it was running, it was

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kind of, how would I say this, kind of crouched down,

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and it was taking its arms. As I'm doing this,

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I'm trying to demonstrate how it was running. But it

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was like pushing the branches in like the little saplings

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and things out of its way. So it's almost like

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it's swimming. And it was kind of– it wasn't running

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like really upright. It was more kind of almost crouched down.

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I don't want to say crouched. Anyway, you get the idea.

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But it– the thing– one of the things that always

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stuck out with me is– the agility and, um, got

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a good look at it.

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Uh, I remember, and.

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You see, it happened so fast and, you know, it

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was almost like when it took off, then we got startled. Um, Yeah,

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and so I got a good look at it from

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the side. I could see how the hair, kind of

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like the direction how the hair was growing, like on

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the side of its chest and belly. And I remember

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looking at it and just like, this thing's covered in hair.

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And it was just all hair. And the color was.

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It wasn't black, but it was kind of this dark.

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You see sometimes deer will have this, or maybe even

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a squirrel, where it'll be kind of dark, but kind

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of gray, kind of frosted.

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It was like that.

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Um.

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It kind of had hair like a bear, but it

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was just a little bit different shade, not just like

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this jet black. And it looked human.

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It didn't look like... It looked.

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Kind of like a.

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Like a really weathered.

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Man or almost like a, kind of like a Neanderthal

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kind of a, um, the eyes were kind of sunken

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in the skin was dark. Uh, it didn't have any

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hair on its like face or cheeks or anything. Um,

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I remember seeing like all like the deep, like wrinkles

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in it's like it's deep set eyes, wide nose. It looked, um,

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it looked more human than, uh, a lot of depictions

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that you will see. Um, yeah.

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That is extremely interesting. I love that, uh, time period

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because there's so many Bigfoot sightings in the Midwest around that, uh,

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time period. Can you remind me, was this around, um,

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What time of day did this happen? And again, it

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was in the.

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In the morning and it was fall.

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Um, and I remember it was kind of, uh, kind

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of cold and we had one of these, um, stoves

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that you would put, you could put like the wood

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in through the top and we'd cook on it and.

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And all of that.

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And I remember my mom was, uh, working the stove, um,

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And here's the other thing is.

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It it messes with.

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Your mind and I want to. You know, it's it

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it mind ups you because. It's like, did I see that?

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Did that really happen? But I know what I saw and.

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It's almost like. you kind of wish you hadn't in

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a way or that you could see it again, because it.

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It, it sticks with you.

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And it kind of, it to think like wow that

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that really happened that's they're really out there like did

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i really see that like you second guess yourself and.

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And what happened was.

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You know i forgot about it and my brother who

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was living in arizona was coming up here um to

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for his wedding ceremony and we're all, uh, hanging out

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and he brought it up and it was just like, Oh,

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I remember that. I did kind of, um, forgot about it.

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It's not that I forgot about it, but.

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It didn't, I don't know.

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You just, it, it, it didn't, um, you know, when

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you're a kid, you didn't know of Bigfoot or you didn't,

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you know, it wasn't.

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Did it continue to, did that sighting continue to affect

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you after you had it in your life or was

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it a thing where you saw the creature and then

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you kind of just went on after that?

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I think, you know, obviously for some time it just

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kind of put it out of my mind and I

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grew up in the, up in the North woods and

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up on the shore lakes period.

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So I spent a lot of time.

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Out in the, in the woods and living, yeah, living

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in the woods. But here's the, you know, here's where

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it gets really interesting is I had brought this up

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to this guy at this farmer's market. and um because

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he had a bigfoot shirt on and i just you

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know i was feeling a little i don't know silly

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or something i i never met the guy before i'm

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like hey bigfoot so anyway what do you what do

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you think and he's like oh yeah i believe and

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like really and so i tell him the story and

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he worked as like um something with the forestry he's

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uh Maybe it was just forestry.

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I don't know.

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I feel like he had a different title than just that.

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But he knew exactly, you know, I told him where

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the cabin was. He pulls it up on his map

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on his phone. I mean, this guy knows every trail, every,

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you know, every back roads. He knows where my new

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cabin is. I mean, intimately, this guy knows his stuff.

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And he pulled up on his phone. He says, OK,

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so your cabin was here. I'm like, yeah, that's right.

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And he goes, well, you know, because we had shared stories.

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The reason why he believes in Bigfoot is his best

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friend and wife swear up and down on their Bigfoot sighting.

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And he said.

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The way that they're so adamant about that.

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He has to believe, you know, because he's just like,

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I know this guy and all of that.

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And he says, so he pulls up this map right

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on his phone and says, you saw yours right here.

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My best friend and his wife saw theirs right here.

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And then he proceeds to tell me there is there

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is or was, I don't know, a school for troubled

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youth up in this area. And apparently this kid runs

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away from this school, gets lost, and this hairy man

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helps him out of this area back to a road.

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And he's found. And all three sightings happened within a mile.

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Wow, really?

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That's where I was just like, okay, this is too much.

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You know.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's that's wild. How recent do you think the

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most recent sighting was in that area?

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Oh, God, I don't know.

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I feel like. I feel like his friend and wife.

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I feel like there's. I should know this, but I don't.

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I get the sense like that happened recently. more recent

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than my sighting. But again, I'm just speculating on that.

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I don't know. Gotcha.

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Well, I appreciate you coming on and sharing what you experienced.

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And it definitely makes me, it'll make me remember McGrath, Minnesota,

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as kind of put it on the map that's in

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my memory. So I appreciate you coming up.

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Hey, thank you.

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Enjoy it.

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Hey, Richie, this is Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society. What's going on, Richie?

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Hey, I just remember, you know, thinking back, a buddy

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and I was flying kites, and it was probably 1992,

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and it was early April. And we're originally from Butler County, Pennsylvania,

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but now we're relocated to Las Vegas, Nevada. Northern Butler

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County was in a town called Shakora, but we were

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in the outskirts on the farm where I grew up on.

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And we were.

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Flying kites in the field because there's no power lines,

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of course. But the scream that we heard and growing

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up there all my life, it was not a bobcat.

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And it was not, it was just not some of

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the animals that are indigenous to that area. You know,

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and we don't have, we have the normal wildlife, the bears,

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the white-tailed deer, everything, you know, that a lot of

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states have. But it was just, The sound that I heard,

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it was not, I think what impressed me the most

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was the sound. It wasn't literally the scream. It was

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the decimal in which it came from that we heard.

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You know, this thing, we're in the middle of a field,

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mind you. The tree line is probably 100.

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Yards from us.

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150 yards in either way because we didn't want to

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be near the trees because of flying our kites or

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the power lines. And it was just, even though we

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were that far from the wood line, the scream that

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we heard was just something that Ronnie and I both

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will never forget.

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Did that, hearing that, did that affect you physically at all?

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Yeah, we kind of rolled in the kites and called

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it a day.

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And then went in and just kind of looked at

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each other, had a cigarette and a pop, and just thought,

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what did we just experience?

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What did we just hear?

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Absolutely.

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Did you ever hear of anyone else in the same

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area experiencing similar things as well?

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Yeah, there's a dam, and it's located on Route 38.

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in Butler County, and it's called, oh, I can't remember

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exactly what it is, but it's a little like spillway

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that they have.

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One of the fishermen.

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Have said that they've heard not screaming, but more of the,

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it was.

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The huffing.

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It was more like a, I don't want to, because

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I can't remember the words exactly, but it was more

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like a grunt or a huff or something like a

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male buck would do to say, hey, you're in my

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territory or something like that. But he said, just the

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sound of it, he knew it wasn't a deer because

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it was just the decimal in which it came across

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to him, you know, and it was near dusk for him.

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You know, he always did his fish down by there

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by the spillway late at night, right near the sun

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starts to go down. And then you have to rail

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it in because the game wardens will come by and stuff.

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That is extremely interesting.

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Wow.

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That's a that's an area I haven't heard a lot from.

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So thank you for coming up and for sharing that, Richie.

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I appreciate that.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Total believer here, too.

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And I'd like to tell you that it was a

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total believer ever since junior high school. When I was

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a junior in high school, excuse me, 11th grade, we

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had to do American folklore for college prep English, and

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we had to pick a topic. And I chose Bigfoot.

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And everything since then that I've read on him, and

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I think we tend to take for granted that. that

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the indigenous people have seen or believed in him so

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much prior to us even coming to this land.

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Absolutely, 100%, yeah.

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And to ignore them is just crazy, you know?

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And even when you go back to the stone pictures

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that are out here in, I can't remember where the hieroglyphics,

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I want to call them, are in the stone, Arizona,

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New Mexico, I can't remember, but where there's big drawings

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of these large animals on these rocks, and it just

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impresses me so much that to even not to believe

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the indigenous people, and they try to educate us so

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much when we first come over here, And to now

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to like shy away from this, I'm getting, I just

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got off a 12 hour shift.

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I'm a nurse and I'm very tired, so I'm losing

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my train of thought.

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But anyway, I think that's what really scoped me is

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how much the indigenous people and then the relevancy everywhere

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since then, the cops, the army men, the regular layman person,

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you know, it's just scattered who see him or see them.

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I'm sorry.

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In between doesn't matter where you're from it's almost like

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a lot of the states have a sighting of some.

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Some relevancy to a bigfoot creature.

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Oh yeah i agree they are there's people of all

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backgrounds that have had sightings and and in most of

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the states uh there have been sightings which um which

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is incredible and other countries as well uh I mean,

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that goes way back. If you start reading the Native

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American legends and accounts, it goes way, way, way, way back,

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way further than what we have even in our old

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newspaper accounts of wild man sightings. So, Richie, thank you

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so much for coming up and for sharing what you

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heard that day.

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I really appreciate it.

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Hey, absolutely. Anytime.

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You got it.

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Thank you.

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Black Bear, hi. Oh. Hello, Black Bear.

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Hello.

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Hello, Black Bear.

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Hey. Hey.

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This is Jeremiah. I think we have a little bit

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of a feedback loop. And also, do you mind if

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I potentially use this audio for my podcast?

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Yeah.

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Awesome. Are you the gentleman I've talked to before?

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Yeah. Bad signal here. All right. I think it's good now.

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Can you hear me? We've talked before, right, in messages. Yeah. Oh, man,

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it's a pleasure to talk to you. We had some

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really interesting conversations about probably a year or so ago.

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I want to say it's been a long time.

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Yeah. Yeah, I've been watching your podcast off and on

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throughout the year, and I've been wanting to talk to

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you for a while. Hopefully, maybe one time we can

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go Bigfoot-looking in Washington or Oregon sometime, maybe. Yeah. I'll

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show you some spots. I only lived up there for

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29 years. But there was a time I went walking

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in Chehalis National Forest in Washington. And I had at

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that time I had a Rottweiler for a pet. And

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this guy, he would go with me on the trails.

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And matter of fact, I think this was only the

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second time I had been in the Chehalis National Forest.

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And partners of mine, native guys, Chehalis Indians, they had

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all said, when you go walking on those trails, be careful.

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I said, when you go there, when the sun comes

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up and when the sun goes down. And I said, really?

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I said, what for? And they were looking at me.

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These are like two brothers and a friend of mine.

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They're all Chehalis, natives that grew up there, cutting wood

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and fishing in there and hunting in there. And they said,

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because that's when the tall people come out. And I went, really?

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And this is before, I think this was probably my

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third run-in with a Bigfoot at this time. And it

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was probably a year from the last time I had

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a run-in with one, where I seen one. But I

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didn't know that they were in that forest. until they

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said that. And they were like, yeah, when you're moving

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around on those trails or moving through the forest, especially

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those trails, they said, try not to move around in

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there when the sun's coming up or going down. They said,

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because that's when they move around a lot. And I said, oh, okay. Well, anyways,

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one morning, I took my dog and I was like, okay,

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let's go walk the trail. And just We're walking through

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the forest, through these trails. They got trails all through

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that forest. And I guess I don't want to really

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say it was fog. It was more mist. But it

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was kind of like foggy like. But so the mist

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comes in and visibility starts dropping down. And if you've

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ever been in that forest, it's thick. the undergrowth is

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thick and bushes everywhere, like five, six foot high bushes everywhere,

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tall trees everywhere. And so it starts kind of getting

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dark real quick when that mist came in. And I

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guess it was probably around seven or eight in the morning.

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So it wasn't too early. And that was my thought too.

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I was like, well, it's, Sun has been up for

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a little while. It's not like it's just coming up.

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It's been up for a little while. So we should

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be good because, of course, I didn't want to run

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into him. It was just me and my dog there.

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So we're going down the trail. Like I said, mist

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comes in. Visibility starts dropping. Everything's getting wet. And in

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case you don't know, when it starts raining, you're sent,

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you know, deteriorates in the air animals can't smell you

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as far as they would when it's not raining so

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that's why I think this happened that they couldn't smell

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us as far as they would have otherwise they would

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have probably took off but we're going down this trail

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coming up over a hill and my dog stops and

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I already know when he stops he's smelling something And

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I'm looking around, and I'm thinking bear. That's what I'm thinking,

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because they got black bears in there, or a cougar.

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And I'm like, there's something around here, and he's smelling it.

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I'm looking around, looking underneath. I'm trying to look underneath

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the bushes to see anything. And when I squatted down,

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I heard a snap. Snap. almost like a loud firecracker,

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like a loud M60 firecracker going off. But what it was,

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was it was a tree branch.

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And the.

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Only thing I can think of was the two males,

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because they're the only ones that I know of that

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break tree branches. The females, they don't break tree branches.

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They just run. This thing went snap. in one side

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of the trail and then snap on the other side

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of the trail. And right off the back, I was like,

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this is a big foot. There's two big foots here.

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Cause again, cougars don't break branches. Bears don't break branches.

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And I'm like, oh man, they're right in front of us.

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And This guy, my dog, he starts whining, like crying.

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And he's like, he's crying beside me. And I said, yeah,

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let's get out of here. So I turn around. We

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start walking real quick. I don't run, but I start

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walking as fast as I can. And he's right beside

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me and he keeps looking behind me. And I'm like,

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are they following us? Are they following us? I'm telling

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my dog because he keeps looking back. I don't want

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to look back. I'm moving. We're fast walking up this

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trail and down it. And then I start hearing branches,

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like I should say twigs, twigs breaking behind us. Snap, snap, snap, snap, snap.

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And I'm like, oh man, these guys are following us.

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And sure enough, one was to the right, one was

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to the left of me. And they followed us for,

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I guess, maybe two and a half miles down this

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trail back to the parking area where we parked our car.

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When we got about a half a mile, I guess,

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from the parking lot where we parked our car, where

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it started thinning out, there was less trees, less bushes,

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I should say. They weren't as high. When we got

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to the crest of this hill, that's when they stopped.

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They stopped following us. And I turned around and all

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I could see was, now from my experience of seeing pictures,

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reading books of different Bigfoots of different areas, there's some

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Bigfoots that have like a really comb head and some,

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I would say kind of like a human head. It's

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a little comb, but not as much. but some really

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have a cone head. These ones had cone heads because

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I could see the top of their head over the bushes.

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And these are seven foot tall bushes. So these things,

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I think, were squatting down. They were, you know, trying

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not to be seen, but the top of their hairy

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heads were sticking above the bushes. And they were brown.

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They were brown color. And I was like, oh, man,

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they're right there. And I knew they were watching this.

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I could feel it. I was like, dang. I told them,

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I said, I'm not here to harm you. I said,

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I'm leaving now. Because up until that time, I really

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felt bad, like something bad was going to happen. The

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whole time going back, I was just hoping that they

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weren't going to do anything. But, yeah, I felt a

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real bad feeling. I guess you probably know what I'm

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talking about. Like, you get a bad feeling. Like, sometimes

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you go into a bad house or a bad area,

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you get a bad feeling. Like, man, something bad is

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about to happen. Well, anyways, so we got back to

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the car, took off. I ended up coming back the

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next day because I was like, I'm going to leave

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a gift for him. just to let them know that

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I didn't, because I was walking that trail like maybe

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twice a month. So I was like, yeah, I'm going

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to be going back down that trail. And I don't

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want no bad problems with these people because they live there.

464
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I'm just visiting. So I went back down that trail

465
00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:55.880
to where that first incident happened. And sure enough, there

466
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:01.950
was like Five, six set of footprints. There was two

467
00:33:02.049 --> 00:33:07.750
really big ones, two medium ones, and one small one.

468
00:33:09.349 --> 00:33:13.579
Like they had a little kid. And the ones in

469
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:19.680
Chehalis National Forest, those ones that I ran into, those

470
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:24.720
ones were five-toed ones. They all had five toes. I

471
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.910
think I told you before I was in around Mount St.

472
00:33:27.950 --> 00:33:36.400
Helens and those ones had four toes but in those

473
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.099
ones I was always told stay away from those ones

474
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.779
if you run into those ones yeah you need to

475
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:49.119
leave and yeah I got stories about that one that

476
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.369
I was told about if you run into four toe

477
00:33:51.450 --> 00:33:55.730
ones but anyways but yeah those ones were five toe

478
00:33:55.809 --> 00:34:01.319
ones And anyways, I left some fruits, some apples, some

479
00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:07.119
cherries for him. But yeah, that was one run-in that

480
00:34:07.180 --> 00:34:10.079
I had with him out of, I don't know how

481
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.280
many couple run-ins I've had in with him there in

482
00:34:13.300 --> 00:34:15.599
the Northwest before I left.

483
00:34:17.090 --> 00:34:21.829
That is incredible. Did you ever smell anything out of

484
00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:25.130
the ordinary when you were in those near encounters?

485
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:33.579
Yeah, yeah, sometimes. There was about, I guess, four or

486
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:42.320
five times that I was coming upwind of them. And yeah,

487
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:49.610
we smelt them. And one in Idaho, one off the

488
00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:55.309
Snake River in Idaho, one or two off of Mount Rainier.

489
00:34:56.210 --> 00:34:59.690
And then one in Klamath Falls and one down by

490
00:34:59.750 --> 00:35:03.730
Warm Springs in Warm Springs, Oregon. Those ones. Yeah.

491
00:35:05.409 --> 00:35:05.789
Oh, yeah.

492
00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:07.869
I forgot about that one. The one at your forest.

493
00:35:07.889 --> 00:35:11.210
I was in the one at your forest once. Yeah.

494
00:35:11.750 --> 00:35:14.429
We smelt one there. And that one, I was with

495
00:35:14.650 --> 00:35:18.809
a fire crew, 22 Indians. And we all smelt that one.

496
00:35:20.530 --> 00:35:24.440
Can you... Is there any way to describe what that

497
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.280
one smelled like that the group of you smelled? Is

498
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.039
it similar to anything else that you've ever smelled before?

499
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:37.800
No, no, it kind of smells, I guess I'd say

500
00:35:37.820 --> 00:35:44.710
kind of like a rotten meat and skunk. That's how

501
00:35:44.730 --> 00:35:47.130
I would describe it. Like rotten meat and a skunk.

502
00:35:48.650 --> 00:35:51.210
If you ever smelled the skunk or smelled like rotten

503
00:35:51.250 --> 00:35:58.630
meat in the summer, Kind of like that.

504
00:35:59.429 --> 00:36:04.610
We've talked before, and I don't want to push anything,

505
00:36:04.750 --> 00:36:11.409
but would you be... Is it a possibility that you

506
00:36:11.469 --> 00:36:15.869
might share what you've heard about the four-toed Sasquatch?

507
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.250
Okay, so... This guy down in Oregon, and I've heard

508
00:36:24.289 --> 00:36:30.739
two different stories on four toes. Some guys up there,

509
00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:36.400
some Haidas Indians, they're up there by Alaskan border and

510
00:36:36.460 --> 00:36:44.989
Canadian border, the Haidas. And a guy told me that

511
00:36:45.989 --> 00:36:48.730
those ones up there that are four toes that hang

512
00:36:48.769 --> 00:36:55.309
around the volcanic mountains up there, Those ones, they're cannibals.

513
00:36:56.289 --> 00:37:05.139
They'll eat you. And the ones in Washington, Oregon, that

514
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.059
are four-toes that hang around the volcanoes down there, the

515
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:14.670
same thing. And that was a Warm Springs native dude

516
00:37:15.929 --> 00:37:20.030
that told me that. He said that they had stories

517
00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:27.360
of four-toe as they call them, tall men, Sasquatches, the Bigfoots,

518
00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:35.130
that they would snatch up women and eat them. The

519
00:37:35.150 --> 00:37:39.969
Yakimans have a story about that too. They have a

520
00:37:40.010 --> 00:37:43.730
story called the Basket Woman, but it's really a Sasquatch.

521
00:37:44.489 --> 00:37:49.469
It ain't a woman, woman. It's a Sasquatch woman that

522
00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:54.380
she would snatch up children that wander during berry picking season,

523
00:37:55.179 --> 00:37:57.840
and she would snatch them up and put them in

524
00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:01.960
a berry bag and take them and eat them. But

525
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:11.489
those ones were four-toed Sasquatches. And they're bigger, too.

526
00:38:11.570 --> 00:38:12.690
Oh, sorry.

527
00:38:12.809 --> 00:38:13.849
They're the regular ones.

528
00:38:14.449 --> 00:38:15.869
How much bigger would you say?

529
00:38:19.570 --> 00:38:23.469
I would say like the regular five toe ones are

530
00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:31.130
probably like eight feet tall. Yeah. Between seven and nine

531
00:38:31.929 --> 00:38:36.639
in between there. And the four toe ones are like

532
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:42.480
between nine and 11 feet tall. Like they're really big.

533
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.300
Those are the ones that even up North, they would

534
00:38:45.340 --> 00:38:51.769
call them the giants. And when, My people, the Muscogees,

535
00:38:52.510 --> 00:38:56.789
we had stories of four-toed Sasquatches at one time. That's

536
00:38:56.809 --> 00:39:03.150
when we lived in Georgia. And they, the stories we

537
00:39:03.210 --> 00:39:07.110
had said the same thing, that they moved north, that

538
00:39:07.130 --> 00:39:11.159
they just got up when the whites came. And it

539
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:13.960
wasn't so much when they first came, but when they came,

540
00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:19.739
I would say, like, with repeating firearms and stuff, that

541
00:39:20.019 --> 00:39:22.800
they just got up and left, and they went up north.

542
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.949
And other Indians that I ran into, Sioux and Cree Indians,

543
00:39:29.090 --> 00:39:32.269
Blackfeet Indians, they kind of said the same thing, that

544
00:39:32.510 --> 00:39:38.480
at one time, the Fortos were around in certain areas.

545
00:39:39.099 --> 00:39:42.460
They weren't everywhere, but they were around in certain areas.

546
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:47.739
As I said, clans of them, but they just got up,

547
00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:48.719
moved up north.

548
00:39:52.619 --> 00:39:58.639
Do you think that the four-toed Sasquatch could perhaps be

549
00:39:58.739 --> 00:40:04.510
related to how we have accounts of people that randomly

550
00:40:04.530 --> 00:40:08.110
become missing or missing four-in-one type things?

551
00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:14.269
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I'm not saying all five-toed

552
00:40:14.289 --> 00:40:21.949
Sasquatches will not eat you. I'm saying from my understanding,

553
00:40:23.300 --> 00:40:27.639
is the five-toed ones are a bit smarter than the

554
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:32.219
four-toed ones. I thought about this over the years from

555
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:36.809
all the stuff that I heard and read. And I

556
00:40:37.869 --> 00:40:45.320
honestly believe because every tribe has stories of Sasquatches stealing women.

557
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:49.940
And some of them have stories of women having children

558
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:54.070
with Sasquatches. And even tribes kicking them out. Like they

559
00:40:54.110 --> 00:41:01.570
came back pregnant and had half Sasquatch, half human children.

560
00:41:02.809 --> 00:41:08.550
And these people were very moody people and very strong.

561
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:14.239
And the tribes would kick them out. And I think,

562
00:41:14.659 --> 00:41:18.039
this is just my thought on it, that the five

563
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:22.920
to ones are the cross's or crosses over hundreds of

564
00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:25.500
years of them snatching up people.

565
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:27.139
And I mean women.

566
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.280
That's what I think. And I think the four-toed ones

567
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:38.000
are like the original ones. The ones that ain't crossed.

568
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.920
They ain't got no cross in them. That's to say.

569
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.500
That's my thinking of it because, yeah, from my understanding,

570
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:54.219
the four-toed ones, they're not reasonable. They're not reasonable. They're

571
00:41:54.260 --> 00:41:57.539
not ones that you're going to be... You're not going

572
00:41:57.579 --> 00:42:03.239
to befriend them. If they're taking anything from you, it's

573
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:08.210
only to lead you in. It's only to trap you.

574
00:42:08.789 --> 00:42:11.690
It ain't like, hey, I'm taking this apple and we're

575
00:42:11.730 --> 00:42:12.329
buddies now.

576
00:42:13.210 --> 00:42:13.449
No.

577
00:42:15.889 --> 00:42:16.590
I get it.

578
00:42:16.590 --> 00:42:22.619
Do you... Are there accounts that you've heard where they

579
00:42:22.699 --> 00:42:26.440
try to lure people in the woods by saying their

580
00:42:26.500 --> 00:42:32.599
names or using certain sounds or anything like that? Mimicking?

581
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:40.829
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they'll mimic anything. They don't have

582
00:42:40.849 --> 00:42:44.190
a cell phone. They don't have cable. They got nothing

583
00:42:44.269 --> 00:42:47.510
else to do but sit in the woods and copy animals.

584
00:42:49.050 --> 00:42:54.260
They can talk. No, I'm not saying they'll hold a

585
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.219
conversation with you. I'm saying they'll mimic you. So if

586
00:42:58.260 --> 00:43:03.139
you're calling someone's name or you're calling your animal, your horse, Sue,

587
00:43:03.820 --> 00:43:09.510
to come in to eat, then they'll mimic that. Just

588
00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:17.070
like a mockingbird, they'll mimic it. And they're not stupid. Especially,

589
00:43:17.329 --> 00:43:22.699
like I've heard stories of people in Oklahoma, the natives there,

590
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.739
they would have pigs and they'd let them run around

591
00:43:25.780 --> 00:43:28.699
out in the fields and in the woods. And then

592
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.849
they'd be like, Sue, Sue, Sue, call them back in

593
00:43:33.550 --> 00:43:39.650
for the night. And then there'd be like a Sasquatch

594
00:43:39.730 --> 00:43:44.949
out there and he'll call them because they'll snatch one

595
00:43:44.989 --> 00:43:51.690
up and eat it. And so yeah, they'll call their

596
00:43:51.750 --> 00:43:54.750
pigs over there so they can snatch one up and

597
00:43:55.250 --> 00:43:57.389
take it home and everybody eats.

598
00:44:00.889 --> 00:44:07.809
Do you have any specific accounts of a Sasquatch taking

599
00:44:07.829 --> 00:44:14.869
an actual human into the woods? I know there's been

600
00:44:14.909 --> 00:44:21.050
multiple accounts over the years where Sasquatch or Bigfoot has

601
00:44:21.309 --> 00:44:24.809
taken someone you know in a sleeping bag maybe like

602
00:44:25.389 --> 00:44:29.269
Albert Osmond but is there are there any accounts that

603
00:44:29.309 --> 00:44:37.980
you can remember that you've heard yourself that you feel

604
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.079
comfortable saying I don't want to push anything if you

605
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:43.900
don't feel comfortable that's okay.

606
00:44:45.469 --> 00:44:51.719
There's a So there's a story that happened a few

607
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.820
years ago now. It's probably been 15, 20 years ago now.

608
00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:02.340
But this happened off the Appalachian Trail. This dude told

609
00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:05.800
me this story, and I totally believe him. He was

610
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:10.360
a Cherokee guy that I worked with. And we were

611
00:45:10.389 --> 00:45:12.230
out in the woods. I told you I used to

612
00:45:12.610 --> 00:45:16.920
force firefight. That's how it got around. all these national

613
00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:20.929
parks so long and we'd sleep in the woods and

614
00:45:20.989 --> 00:45:23.590
again this is long before we had cell phones and

615
00:45:23.610 --> 00:45:27.050
all that so we'd just sit around the campfire and

616
00:45:27.070 --> 00:45:32.010
tell stories well so this Cherokee guy from North Carolina

617
00:45:33.210 --> 00:45:35.659
and he worked for the Forest Service too part time

618
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:41.059
but also he was a tracker too for search and

619
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:47.429
rescue and I mean this guy he was amazing He

620
00:45:47.449 --> 00:45:51.300
could tell you how old tracks were of almost any

621
00:45:51.739 --> 00:45:54.460
animal and even tell you if they was a male

622
00:45:54.500 --> 00:46:00.420
or female. Wolves, coyotes, bears. Yeah, he was amazing. But anyways,

623
00:46:01.659 --> 00:46:05.590
so there was a girl and I believe it was

624
00:46:05.610 --> 00:46:09.690
in Kentucky. It might have been in Tennessee. But anyways,

625
00:46:10.750 --> 00:46:16.099
so this little girl, I don't know, probably like seven

626
00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:19.690
or nine, something like that. A little bit more than

627
00:46:19.730 --> 00:46:27.030
a toddler. But she got lost. She wandered off the trail.

628
00:46:27.050 --> 00:46:32.500
Her parents were hiking. Something happened. And they turn around.

629
00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:37.519
She ain't there no more. And they went looking. Couldn't

630
00:46:37.579 --> 00:46:41.079
find her. Told the force ranger he ran up there

631
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:43.619
and called in some buddies of his. They couldn't find him.

632
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.519
So now Now it's a real search now. So they

633
00:46:47.539 --> 00:46:49.949
call in search and rescue. They call this guy up

634
00:46:51.090 --> 00:46:58.170
because he's known as a man tracker. So he goes

635
00:46:58.269 --> 00:47:03.349
in there with this search and rescue team. They're looking

636
00:47:03.389 --> 00:47:08.530
for this girl in the woods. This goes on for

637
00:47:08.570 --> 00:47:13.679
like two days. And he follows the tracks all the

638
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:21.469
way to this creek and they disappear and he's like

639
00:47:22.409 --> 00:47:25.190
she must have went in the water so now they're

640
00:47:25.250 --> 00:47:31.190
searching along this creek bed along the creek bed they

641
00:47:31.230 --> 00:47:41.630
find some Bigfoot tracks and of course they don't think

642
00:47:41.710 --> 00:47:45.030
nothing of it other than this is weird And so

643
00:47:45.070 --> 00:47:47.619
they move on because they don't care about that. They're

644
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:49.500
not looking for that. They're looking for a little girl.

645
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:55.940
But him, he tells me, he's like right off the bat,

646
00:47:56.820 --> 00:48:05.409
I start thinking that Bigfoot got her. And so he

647
00:48:05.510 --> 00:48:08.170
starts telling these people, I'm going to go and follow

648
00:48:08.889 --> 00:48:13.699
this trail. And they're like, Okay, we're gonna keep searching

649
00:48:13.739 --> 00:48:18.639
along this creek. He goes up over this hill following

650
00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:24.199
this big foot trail. He gets to the top of

651
00:48:24.219 --> 00:48:30.860
the hill and there's a stump. And there on that

652
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:36.119
stump is sitting that little girl. And he comes up

653
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.860
on her and he says, are you all right? Does

654
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.880
the normal check procedure ask her her name and all this.

655
00:48:45.539 --> 00:48:50.280
Pulls out the radio, radios it in. Hey, I found her. Nick,

656
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.119
he walks her back down to where those other people

657
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:58.650
were along the creek. As he's walking her down, he

658
00:48:58.769 --> 00:49:07.489
asked her, he said, it's been two days. Are you hungry?

659
00:49:09.050 --> 00:49:13.650
And she says, no. And he goes, you're not cold?

660
00:49:14.489 --> 00:49:18.329
And she goes, no. And he goes, and this was

661
00:49:18.409 --> 00:49:23.920
like towards fall. And he told me, he said it

662
00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:26.460
was fall. He said, so it was kind of cold

663
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.960
up in the mountains that night. And he says, you're

664
00:49:28.989 --> 00:49:34.130
not cold. You wasn't cold? And she goes, no. And

665
00:49:34.170 --> 00:49:38.750
he's looking at her and he goes, well, how did

666
00:49:38.789 --> 00:49:42.889
you get up there? And she said, the bear woman,

667
00:49:44.110 --> 00:49:49.849
the bear woman fed me. And he says, what? And

668
00:49:49.909 --> 00:49:56.389
she says, the bear woman, she fed me berries and mushrooms.

669
00:49:57.929 --> 00:50:02.409
And so I wasn't hungry. And he said, what'd she

670
00:50:02.469 --> 00:50:07.159
look like? And she said, like a bear, but only

671
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:14.289
she walked on all two's. And he said, wow. He

672
00:50:14.309 --> 00:50:18.130
brought her back. She gave the same statement to the

673
00:50:18.190 --> 00:50:23.710
rescue people, to the Forest Service people. But in the news,

674
00:50:24.130 --> 00:50:25.739
all it said was search and rescue.

675
00:50:25.989 --> 00:50:26.400
Found her.

676
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:29.099
This was never published.

677
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:38.750
That's incredible. Oh, man. Black Bear, thank you for for

678
00:50:38.809 --> 00:50:42.730
sharing this information. I mean, I never thought that I'd

679
00:50:42.929 --> 00:50:46.260
actually be able to talk to you. So I'm just

680
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:51.019
extremely thankful that you were able to come on tonight.

681
00:50:51.139 --> 00:50:53.980
Thank you. Thanks for having me.

682
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.780
You got it, sir. Hey, Corbin, this is Jeremiah from

683
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:58.699
Bigfoot Society.

684
00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:01.159
How's it going, Corbin? Not too bad. How are you

685
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:01.739
doing tonight?

686
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.420
Doing great. It looks like you've had some interesting things

687
00:51:05.500 --> 00:51:06.519
happen out in Oregon.

688
00:51:07.250 --> 00:51:07.630
Yeah.

689
00:51:07.789 --> 00:51:08.070
Yeah.

690
00:51:08.150 --> 00:51:10.889
Well, I mean, Oregon's a hotbed as you know, so,

691
00:51:13.849 --> 00:51:17.230
but my, uh, well, my great grandpa lives in John day.

692
00:51:17.309 --> 00:51:20.530
And so there was a real good elk hunting spot,

693
00:51:20.570 --> 00:51:25.030
about 40, 45 miles outside of John day. And, um,

694
00:51:25.750 --> 00:51:27.670
I don't think there was a night that we didn't

695
00:51:27.730 --> 00:51:33.010
go without hearing screams or, uh, knocks or anything like that. Uh, they, uh,

696
00:51:34.429 --> 00:51:36.889
I'll tell you this, I haven't been there in 10 years,

697
00:51:36.949 --> 00:51:38.809
and I don't know a single person that goes up

698
00:51:38.849 --> 00:51:43.530
there anymore. They found four different Native American burial sites

699
00:51:43.650 --> 00:51:50.530
up there, and there's been sightings of supposed skinwalker and

700
00:51:50.570 --> 00:51:53.530
wendigo and all that kind of stuff up there, but

701
00:51:54.010 --> 00:51:58.440
mainly Bigfoot. If you go to John Day at all,

702
00:51:59.019 --> 00:52:01.460
you could probably go in and ask. I believe the

703
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:06.340
place is called Coyote Flats. Um, and, uh, I, I

704
00:52:06.380 --> 00:52:09.039
guarantee just about everybody that's been up there has some

705
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.840
sort of sighting or a story or, or something like that.

706
00:52:13.099 --> 00:52:21.670
So is that a coyote flats? Uh, what is that exactly?

707
00:52:21.690 --> 00:52:25.949
Um, well, it used to be from my understanding anyways,

708
00:52:26.010 --> 00:52:29.570
this was again, you know, 10, 10, 12 years ago now,

709
00:52:29.670 --> 00:52:32.849
my great-grandpa said that there used to be a tribe

710
00:52:32.889 --> 00:52:39.139
that lived out there. And it's just basically used as

711
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:41.900
a hunting spot now. It's a big canyon that kind

712
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:45.539
of feeds into a long valley. And not really down

713
00:52:45.579 --> 00:52:47.880
in the valley. You can go down there and find

714
00:52:48.260 --> 00:52:50.599
arrowheads and all that kind of stuff all the time.

715
00:52:50.699 --> 00:52:53.219
But up in that canyon, we've had.

716
00:52:54.780 --> 00:52:56.780
We've only had one for sure sighting.

717
00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:00.519
My grandpa, who actually never believed in Bigfoot until he

718
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.949
saw it, he had a sighting and he said it

719
00:53:04.010 --> 00:53:06.269
scared him so bad he'll never go out there again.

720
00:53:06.289 --> 00:53:08.650
And, I mean, he grew up in the woods.

721
00:53:08.849 --> 00:53:16.260
So, yeah, from his story, he was sitting up on

722
00:53:16.300 --> 00:53:19.800
the canyon and there was a little slope right in

723
00:53:19.860 --> 00:53:22.539
front of him. that you could walk down into the

724
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:27.059
canyon where there wasn't canyon walls and stuff. And he

725
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.000
was sitting out there and he had his rifle in

726
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.599
his lap and was just listening and calling deer and stuff.

727
00:53:32.659 --> 00:53:36.239
And out of nowhere, this doe comes running by him,

728
00:53:36.699 --> 00:53:39.630
tail high up in the air, huffing and puffing, just

729
00:53:39.670 --> 00:53:41.730
sprint right by him. He said he could reach out

730
00:53:41.769 --> 00:53:44.940
and touch her if he wanted to. And then not

731
00:53:44.980 --> 00:53:49.750
too long, a buck comes by. And about 30 seconds

732
00:53:49.849 --> 00:53:52.570
after that, buck comes by doing the same thing, tail

733
00:53:52.610 --> 00:53:55.909
in the air and head down, huffing, sprinting as fast

734
00:53:55.949 --> 00:53:56.489
as possible.

735
00:53:56.510 --> 00:53:57.949
Didn't even care he was there.

736
00:53:59.369 --> 00:54:02.210
He heard a, said he was, it was a scream

737
00:54:02.789 --> 00:54:08.510
that sounded like a woman just got stabbed. And he

738
00:54:08.550 --> 00:54:10.530
said he's never been more scared in his life than

739
00:54:10.570 --> 00:54:15.699
he was there. And for reference, he fought in Vietnam,

740
00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:19.340
so there's a lot that he could have been freaked

741
00:54:19.420 --> 00:54:22.420
out by. But he said he got up and he

742
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.719
started walking back and he heard something following him all

743
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:29.340
the way out. And by the time he got up

744
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.639
to his four-wheeler, which he said was about a half

745
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:35.289
a mile, three-fourths of a mile off to where he

746
00:54:35.329 --> 00:54:38.550
was sitting at, he felt like he was being watched.

747
00:54:38.630 --> 00:54:40.730
So he turned around and just sat on his four

748
00:54:40.769 --> 00:54:42.610
wheeler after he turned it on and kind of was

749
00:54:42.659 --> 00:54:46.500
looking through his scope and, um, said he still wasn't

750
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.280
sure if he was hallucinating or if he was so

751
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.639
freaked out that he's, you know, was just trying to

752
00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:55.820
see where it was just kind of seeing stuff. But

753
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.360
he said he saw about an eight to nine foot

754
00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:02.949
gorilla looking thing that was just standing right beside a

755
00:55:03.010 --> 00:55:06.400
tree and had its head poked out looking at him. And, uh,

756
00:55:07.460 --> 00:55:10.860
He put his four-wheeler on high and took off and

757
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:14.849
he said he'll never go out there again. And so

758
00:55:15.469 --> 00:55:17.809
that's the only sighting we had of him. But my

759
00:55:17.869 --> 00:55:21.510
personal experience, we were sitting out right after we got

760
00:55:21.570 --> 00:55:26.159
back from doing a hunting trip for the day. Sitting

761
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:30.159
out by the fire and same thing, right up towards

762
00:55:30.179 --> 00:55:32.710
that area where that canyon's at where my grandpa had

763
00:55:32.769 --> 00:55:38.610
his sighting, we heard this god-awful scream. It still makes

764
00:55:38.670 --> 00:55:43.500
me tear up and get goosebumps and all that. Um,

765
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:46.340
it sounded like a woman getting murdered, exactly what it

766
00:55:46.380 --> 00:55:49.880
was that, you know, my grandpa said. And, um, this

767
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.619
was before my grandpa had his, his encounter. And of course,

768
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.630
you know, he didn't believe at the time. So he

769
00:55:54.670 --> 00:55:56.670
was like, ah, it's a cougar. It's a cougar.

770
00:55:56.690 --> 00:55:58.989
You know, I've heard them do that before. It's a cougar.

771
00:56:00.010 --> 00:56:02.369
And everybody was just kind of looking at him and like, no,

772
00:56:02.409 --> 00:56:03.230
that's not a cougar.

773
00:56:03.269 --> 00:56:04.050
That's too big.

774
00:56:04.110 --> 00:56:06.679
That's, you know, you can, you can tell the difference

775
00:56:06.739 --> 00:56:09.780
between a, a cougar and something a lot bigger.

776
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:13.809
And, um, Well, my whole family went out.

777
00:56:13.750 --> 00:56:18.139
There for about five to ten years for hunting, and

778
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:20.900
not a single one of them has went back since

779
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:22.559
my grandpa had that experience.

780
00:56:23.860 --> 00:56:24.820
They're just too.

781
00:56:24.739 --> 00:56:27.460
Damn freaked out, and everybody in John Day, I bet,

782
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:29.500
would say the same that's been up to that area.

783
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:39.699
Wow, I don't... I don't fault your... him for not

784
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.820
going up there again. Uh, it's nothing. I, I haven't

785
00:56:43.860 --> 00:56:51.449
experienced that yet, but I've experienced the, the screams myself and, uh, dude,

786
00:56:51.530 --> 00:56:52.070
it gets you.

787
00:56:53.050 --> 00:56:53.809
It does. Yeah.

788
00:56:53.849 --> 00:56:56.110
And I, I mean, like I said, in my comment,

789
00:56:56.150 --> 00:56:58.769
you won't be the same as when you walked in there,

790
00:56:58.789 --> 00:57:01.650
when you come out of there, it, uh, there's something

791
00:57:01.710 --> 00:57:03.769
about it that, you know, I don't, I don't know.

792
00:57:03.789 --> 00:57:05.570
I don't know much about it.

793
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:09.280
And, uh, I can't say I'm an expert on it, but, um,

794
00:57:09.340 --> 00:57:13.800
something about the, something about those native burial sites. I feel,

795
00:57:14.059 --> 00:57:16.590
you know, I think everybody has said that it feels

796
00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:20.469
like it's strongly connected to that. So, um, especially with,

797
00:57:20.510 --> 00:57:23.090
you know, people see it saying they seen skin walkers

798
00:57:23.190 --> 00:57:26.289
out there and, you know, have heard voices of people

799
00:57:26.329 --> 00:57:29.590
that they, people that are loved ones to them in

800
00:57:29.630 --> 00:57:31.389
the middle of the woods, you know, and they're the

801
00:57:31.469 --> 00:57:34.750
only ones out there sitting in their tents and, you know, so,

802
00:57:36.070 --> 00:57:37.590
People don't go up there anymore.

803
00:57:37.610 --> 00:57:39.309
They used to all the time. And I don't know

804
00:57:39.349 --> 00:57:43.380
why just recently it's turned into a hotbed. But, yeah,

805
00:57:43.409 --> 00:57:45.639
maybe just too many people got up there and disturbed

806
00:57:45.659 --> 00:57:46.440
the peace, you know.

807
00:57:48.619 --> 00:57:49.159
Absolutely.

808
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.179
Corbin, I'm so glad that that you were able to

809
00:57:53.219 --> 00:57:56.320
come up and to share what your your family and

810
00:57:56.360 --> 00:58:00.429
relatives have experienced in that area. And it makes me

811
00:58:00.739 --> 00:58:02.510
be aware of another area. So thank you.

812
00:58:03.949 --> 00:58:05.070
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

813
00:58:05.110 --> 00:58:05.349
Yeah.

814
00:58:05.489 --> 00:58:08.369
Noah, what's your podcast? I'd love to give it a listen.

815
00:58:08.389 --> 00:58:13.889
Yeah, totally. So my podcast name is Bigfoot Society, and

816
00:58:15.070 --> 00:58:17.610
I talk to people about their Bigfoot encounters. So if

817
00:58:17.670 --> 00:58:21.190
you go and search for Bigfoot Society on YouTube or

818
00:58:21.250 --> 00:58:25.940
any major podcast platforms, I come out with multiple episodes

819
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:30.519
per week where I'm talking to people about what they've experienced.

820
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:33.340
And it's stuff all over the board, so definitely check

821
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:33.539
it out.

822
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:34.679
Sweet.

823
00:58:34.739 --> 00:58:36.639
Well, I'll definitely go give it a look. I followed

824
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.579
you on TikTok for a while now. And yeah, I'd

825
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:41.800
love to hear more about it and more people. Because

826
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:44.219
like I said, after that experience, I never really looked

827
00:58:44.300 --> 00:58:47.389
into it. But recently, I've just wanted to know more

828
00:58:47.429 --> 00:58:48.809
about what happened.

829
00:58:49.489 --> 00:58:50.710
Absolutely. Yeah.

830
00:58:51.110 --> 00:58:52.329
Well, thanks for chatting, Corbin.

831
00:58:52.949 --> 00:58:55.579
Absolutely. I appreciate the opportunity to do it.

832
00:58:56.289 --> 00:58:58.369
You got it. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter of

833
00:58:58.409 --> 00:59:00.289
your own, I would love to hear from you. You

834
00:59:00.329 --> 00:59:03.670
can send me an email with your encounter information. at

835
00:59:03.809 --> 00:59:08.179
bigfootsociety at gmail.com. I've come out with a free report

836
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.260
about the top 10 bigfoot hotspots. You can go over

837
00:59:12.340 --> 00:59:18.559
to bit.ly forward slash BFS report. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Thanks

838
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:20.719
for listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'll see you

839
00:59:20.739 --> 00:59:21.159
In the woods.