Horrifying Bigfoot Tales of Oakridge, Oregon! (Archive Episode)

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But he said, something's coming this
way, and they're coming that crazy chimpanzees.

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Sounds getting louder and louder, and
they knew we were there. You

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could tell they were right there,
screaming and hollering, and they weren't coming

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out in the open. They were
right there and screaming and hollering. And

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Dulanne asked his daughter. He said, do you want to leave? Because

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she was pacing back and forth.
She said yeah, and they got in

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the car and left. He asked
me, he said, you're coming there.

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I don't know why. And I
said, no, I'm gonna stick

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around a little bit. They left
him. That was a lonely feeling,

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watching her black jeep going out the
dirt road. And then I'm here.

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These things are screaming and hollering and
it's me. I guess they want they

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want you. They're going to get
you. Walked to the front of the

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car, leaned up against the hood. Now these things are in back of

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me. Now I got my back
at him, and they're just still screaming

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and hollering and really carrying off one
out. But I thought, this is

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it. I'm staying. I don't
care if they tear me apart. In

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this episode of Big for Society,
I'm re releasing a special interview with mister

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Ronald Ronnie Roseman, this time raw, uncut in its entirety and also including

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the forty minute Patreon portion for the
first time to the public. This interview

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starts with a fascinating look at the
nineteen ninety nine six Rivers National Force expedition

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led by Richard Greenwell and mister Roseman's
involvement with that expedition. Ronnie then shares

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some of the most amazing Bigfoot encounters
I've ever heard on the podcast, and

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I'm sure you will enjoy the episode. As always, thank you for listening

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to the Big for Society podcast.
Please take a minute to subscribe, like,

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and share the show with a friend. All right, Big Faciety,

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we got the privilege of talking to
mister Ronnie Roseman tonight. He's from the

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Pacific north West. He's got years
of Bigfoot experience. And how are you

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doing tonight, Ronnie. I'm doing
fine. Yeah, a long time since

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I've been ready. Yeah, it's
like the new version of radio in a

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way. It's a lot of fun. Let's start at the beginning, Ronnie,

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So tell me what was it that
first got you in the big footing

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years ago? I don't know.
I've always been weird as a kid.

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I just was always attracted to mysteries
and explained things and phenomenous and stuff.

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At a very early age, when
it was fourth fifth grade, I got

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a book called Stranger Than Fiction by
Frank Edwards. I believe it was I

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read that and had something in there
that the Obama Snowman. I got interested

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in that. I think it was
eight and then I was telling an aunt

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I had. I lived in southern
California at the time. I had an

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aunt that lived in Eureka, which
was eight hundred miles away California, and

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she knew about me being interest in
Voma Snowman. So it was during the

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time that the road construction knowing the
California Bluff Creek area was going by Ray

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Wallace there, and she saved all
the clippings for me on the Bigfoot because

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that's when the Bigfoot bestwear. The
name of Bigfoot originated the Bluff Creek area

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during nineteen fifty eight, I think
it was or fifty nine. Yeah,

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So Jerry Cooney was seeing the tracks
around as Bulldos. I went to the

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newspaper and Humboldt or whatever it was
there Eureka. But and then the picture

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was on. Anyway, she saved
all the newspaper clippings for me and I

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didn't know it. So when she
for Christmas, she I got that as

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a Christmas present. So I got
interested in Big Pot. At that time,

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I think I was nine years old, So that was my beginning.

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You were around nine to ten in
the late fifties. Wait what I'm hearing

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there? Yes, okay, wow, so you were at an interesting age

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when the Patterson Gimlin film was released. Do you remember that? Oh yeah,

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definitely fifty seven. I think I
was about seventeen years old. See

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how old was I at that time? Sixty That was sixty seven, right,

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it was sixty seven. Yeah,
you would have been sixteen or seventeen

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years old. Yep. Yeah,
that's when I got I really got I

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really got motivated. I guess a
lot of people did that. You could

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look at even at that age and
I didn't know anything, and I still

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don't know anything about these things.
But at that looking at that, I'm

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movement and stuff, and just the
way it moved you. You could tell

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that it looked like something always there, even though your family's are looking at

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you weird. But yeah, that's
when I really got motivating. So that's

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when I ordered a tranquilizer gun and
I paid five hundred bucks for a gun

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in the mail. They had these
big dreams about shooting one of these things

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in the rear end after seeing that
picture woman some day, I'm going to

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get out there, and thought about
doing something like that. And of course

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I had a problem with tranquilizer a
drug or something. What would you use

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would you want something for apes or
And I never did think that these things

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were apes myself, even though a
lot of friends have about that, John

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Green, doctor Karrans and great people
that I just didn't see that with a

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human like FOOTPRINTSS stuff, which is
most obvious the first thing. So I

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decided to go with something with cnal
and and then I went around to pharmacists

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and stuff. I didn't know where
to go and try to get something like

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that, and I was asking around
to get it, and most the pharmacists

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and they said, no, we
can't get you, and we can't do

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that, or we don't can't get
that or whatever. This one's pharmacist said,

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Yeah, he said that's for tranquilizing
people or whatever. Oh. Then

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he said, yeah, maybe I
can help you out and give me your

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information. I didn't do that.
I got scared or left. I realized

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that my gosh, I probably I
didn't want to tell him. I wanted

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to. Oh. I think I
did tell him. I think I told

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you what you wanted for said something
about I wanted to tranquilize Bigfoot, and

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I think that give me a weird
look. I left. I dropped that

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project, that idea, which I
found out later wouldn't work anyway. But

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anyway, so trial and error from
the beginning. That is amazing. So

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was this in southern California that this
all took place? Then? Yes?

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Yeah, okay, wow, what
a story. That's amazing. Man,

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Thank you. It might sound kind
of dumb, No, it's awesome.

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These are the kind of stories that
my listeners absolutely love. Did you first

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see the film then in a I
know it was shown in movie theaters a

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lot. Did you see it in
a movie theater then? No, I

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didn't you know something I don't remember. I think it was on TV during

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that time period. So you were
getting into your your almost twenty in that

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time period, right, after the
PG film, Did you seriously go out

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and start looking at that time besides
trying to get the Oh no, I

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did not, not at all.
That come at a much later date.

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I'd read a little bit about these
things, and I'm kind of using anyway,

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and I'm certainly not really an outdoorsman
or anything hunter or anything. I

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did a lot of hiking, but
it wasn't looking for monsters. But I

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got to think about it and what
I did find out about it. Peter

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Burn, he's the first guy I
contacted, sometime in the mid seventies or

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something. But I realized about unless
you never seen one that I know anyway,

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Peter Burn didn't, John Green didn't, and Doctor Grants didn't. And

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oh my god, you could get
out to you get a chance to even

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get the glimpse of these one of
these things at a distance, much less

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close up. You could search all
your life, and I just thought it

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wasn't the feasible to go on for
what the time that was involved and everything

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else, and not that they're not
out there. But I was learning a

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little bit by the time I was
in my twenties. I opted to collect

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snacks and stuff, and they did
that for many years when all of the

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United States down the different places,
I always had these stains on my mind.

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But I figured I'm collecting spanks to
run across one of them, that

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will be a plus, but not
likely. But and so I didn't get

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into it till my real what I
could call an expedition was after I had

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gotten Queen of the Lady year.
It was in the nineties and late nineties,

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and I by that time I was
I knew Richard Greenwell of the International

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Society of Cryptozoology. I don't know
if you're familiar with him. I have

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heard of a society, Okay.
He was the secretariat and doctor Mackall Roy

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Mackwell was the vice president, and
Bernard Uverman's was a president. And that

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was a day established the Acunda that
the Smithsonian they were legit guys, and

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so me and Richard did a lot
of build research started. It didn't start

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till ninety eight. In ninety nine
I went with him on. It was

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the second expedition there that he had
in assist years, and the first expedition

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that he had done with it was
withing doctor Meldrim and fell about him name

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of Mark Slack. He was the
guy. And then Darwin Writcher's son.

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He didn't that in two years.
That was in nineteen ninety seven, and

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I think it's in the doctor Melgrim's
book. He's got it in there,

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which was interesting. I didn't of
course, this was long before his book

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came out, but he tells what
happened there when he was on the team

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back in there, and that they
was count in a metal where these things

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came in there at night and they
were running in between their tints and stuff.

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They had stole their oatmell and they
had it down in the bags and

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these things took it out. They
didn't make a mess like a beary wood.

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And they heard him running back and
forth and doctor Meldrim was it or

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and his tent, and then he
said one of them actually hit the guide

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wire or something on that and jerked
his tin running through there. But anyway,

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the next morning they checked it out
and the tracks were there. It

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was biped in the grass. Nothing
good cast, but the indentations of there

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where they had been come in during
the ninth Richard was using the tall blast

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and stuff. So anyway, that
was ninety seven. Then Richard asked me

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if I wanted to go on the
Netsu one, which was nineteen ninety nine,

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and we went in June or June
or July, I think it was.

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But there's only a window frame to
get in there. It's just snow

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and stuff most of the year.
It's only a couple of months that are

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really safe to get back in there. It's about forty miles back in from

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Orleans and the canyon. It was
there to the trick we had. The

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first is five hundred pounds of equipment
and food supplies and thermal imagery and everything

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else. So we got back there
and there were some results, and we

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called blasted in the canyons in the
evening with what was purportedly bigfoot screens and

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stuff like that. We had babies
and how our monkey sounds and baby sounds

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humans and stuff, and we split
up. There was a the main camp.

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Base camp was Richard and his son, and then me and Angelo Caparella.

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He was a biologist from the University
of Chicago. We camped out about

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a mile away from there our campus, and Angelo was he couldn't handle my

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story. So we went one hundred
feet down the mountains somewhat and I was

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by myself there and something was coming
around, and I'm going to say this

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because it's important, has something to
do with something to happen in my area

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recently. Now, this was nineteen
nine nine in fisk Us, northern California,

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when this was going on, and
after the call blasting one evening,

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I stepped out of the tent to
relieve myself and I heard something snap,

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the twig snap, and right on
the other side of it was a big

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canyon. But anyway, I heard
it and that's all I heard. But

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we had already we had to shoot
a bear. I think it was just

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four or five days before. There
was stocking us and Actuly was going to

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charge shooting amNY choice. So I
was thinking there and I got back in

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my tent. I knew something was
I felt that something big was there,

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and I had a pistol and mace
and I felt somewhat comfortable with that.

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Anyway, went through the night,
nothing happened. The next night that the

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same fim of nine, about one
o'clock in the morning, I stepped out.

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I hear the twig snapped the same
area. Of course it's pitch black,

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But to get back in the tent, I told I'd go, we'd

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Pike back to the base camp and
have breakfast in the morning. And I

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told Richard who's the team leader,
and I had all the equipment and night

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equipment where the thermally reginnion at night. The equipment in for read but I

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said, we are you guys are
to set the stuff around Mike, can

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I think something's coming around there?
And at this point I wasn't thinking Bigfoot.

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I was thinking there. But he
said, yeah, maybe we should

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do that. They talked to her. They didn't want to do it right

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then, they wanted the equipment where
they were. So the third night,

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I got out the same time head
twicks Nut and I got back in the

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tent and I had the court done
recone all around it before I set my

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chin up there. And I wanted
as as curious possible, so I had

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set it up to undergirl some shrubbery, thick rush and stuff on one side

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of it, and then right behind
it there was a log there was bowed

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and not a log but a limb, but it was bowed up just like

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a guard for a car if you
went a park right in front of it

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just bowed up just perfectly, went
across the level and then came back down,

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and I had stood on that before
I set my tent out there,

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and I jumped on it. I
was one hundred and sixty five pounds and

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I didn't budget, so it was
solid, so I had that behind me

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and that's where my head was for
a slip. So this third night,

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one of the twig, I say, right from that area there was an

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animal trouble. All went all the
way back and I came back around right

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behind my tent, so I think
whatever it was there it did that.

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But sometime during the night I heard
that that branch or the big tree par

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just going there like it was going
down, making a noise, and I

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couldn't budget jumping on it, so
something heavy was pushing it was right behind

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my head and then it went and
why but it started. I could tell

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it was going back up, so
something didn't want to make any noise.

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And then right on the side,
I mean the right hand slid of the

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tin. Right after that, I
heard this excuse me, don't jump,

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But I got it fund of give
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times worth ten times louder, so
not of course it maybe that was it

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was unnerving and I didn't know what
to think of that, And I thought

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something was going to come through my
tin. So I sit there Indian style

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all night with my pist on one
hand and Mason the other. Nothing happened,

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and it was years later. There's
a lot more on that expedition,

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but I want to make a point
because at least something happened there that they

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got me in trouble many years later, like within the last couple of years.

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Here I'm in Oregon right now,
central Oregon, surrounded by mountains and

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woods, and that sounds. There
was a few years after that with a

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friend of mine. I was over
to his house, retmand Nilis Junior.

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I don't know if you ever heard
of mean bickfoot ology yet he established,

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but anyway, he I was over
his house and I had never heard the

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run morehead pages. I didn't have
got that year sounds and I came off

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with that sound. And I was
telling him the same story that was years

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ago, and he says he looked
at me and says, I don't think

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you because I was still thinking there, I don't know any about there is

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nothing. Maybe I don't know sounded
hoffl you know, scary for a bear

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to come up like a rough but
he says, I don't this. My

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friend says, I don't think he's
seen it. Bear any played me the

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more headsafe Ye about the third one
in with the aggressive sound, and it

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is almost the exact and I think, holy heick. Maybe yeah, I

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think one of those things was standing
by my chits. I don't think he

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liked me being there. It was
aggressive, for sure. So many years

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later, coming up to now,
he was introduced an area by a hunter

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and well to somebody else that knew
I was interesting, big food. But

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anyway, I got a minis area
and right off the bat we started having

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things happening. And my gosh,
that's probably hour two hour talk right there

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and all less. So I'm just
going to keep to the point here for

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now. That sound I after being
annoying these things, and here we had

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to come in in different areas and
whistled from both sides, communicate or whatever.

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Camping everything was fine. And this
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He's a rug and ole hunter.
I don't think he's afraid of much.

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He's been charged by grizzly bears twice
and it didn't bother him, and he

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knew these things were up here that
people didn't believe him. And anyway,

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I was introduced soon and I wanted
to go up onting. Nobody had ever

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went up with me. I did
and we had action. It was going

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on. Everything was fine, and
then evening when we were there, we're

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camping in this metal area. It's
a good, pretty high elevation. It's

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back in our ways, and I
was sitting in my chair syping on a

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beer and him and his dad,
we had grandfa there too, and they

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were they went to laid down the
tint. It was getting dust, and

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I was sitting outside of the tint
in the chair, and I asked him

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what kind of sounds? Because he's
been up there, camping there and honey,

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mostly by himself for over forty years, annoying those things over there,

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and over forty years he only got
to see one once and which about from

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about three hundred feet, and only
one time with him being there all the

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time, was so busy an idea, But I asked him, I said,

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what kind of sounds you heard it? Over the years? Water me

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He come out with hunting water and
so I said, I'm going to share

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a sound with you that hired one
time so I came off with the one

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I just must tried to come up
with you. And if you hear that,

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Ron Moore has cape seer sounds,
order about the third one, is

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it? But so I did that
and pretty loud, and I was just

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sitting there dreamer, and about fifteen
minutes later, twenty minutes or whatever,

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we heard these things coming from a
distance along distance, just hauling and raising

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hill and screamed. Something was very
agitated, and there was more than one

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and they were coming our way.
But the way he knew exactly what it

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was coming. And I said,
I said, any of those sounds,

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because these things A couple of them
are coming up like crazy educated jimpanzees,

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and another one was coming off someone
like a mad owl, and another one

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was coming off like a coyote,
and another one like a raven, and

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all of them were going at the
same time, and they're headed our way

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and they're getting louder, and so
I said, I asked him they were

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still in the ten and I said, do you ever hear anything like that?

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He said, yeah, no,
not quite like that. And I

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said, yeah, we knew what
they were. And I said, I

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think this is a premiere at the
coming attraction, and I jumped got in

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the tent pretty quick with them.
They were just enough rooms the three of

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us, and they're coming. They're
getting louder. By the time they got

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to where we're at, it was
it was totally dark, and they came.

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We could hear them coming in and
circling in the back of the metal,

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coming around just within the tree wine
and they came directly behind their tent,

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and just for an hour and a
half, they just they terrorized it.

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We actually didn't think we were going
to live through the night. It

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was so bad. There's no way
to explain it how in tints it really

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was. But two of them coming
off like chimpanzees and crazy champans and the

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other animals sounds, and you could
tell they were running back and forth,

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and one of them was charging bump
bump, bump bump right up petty and

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just running right up to the tent
and then it run back, and they

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did that every once in a while. They did it for about an hour

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and a half, and and every
time the one that was charging the embrace

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or impact because it felt like it
was gonna you len he was going to

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come and take the chance and knew
with it and just grow right on through.

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That's what I felt like, that
it was up on a dime right

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that they had to sound one like
right there they had the chi before it

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came through and then run back and
yeah, that was pretty terrifying night.

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And I was that I could document
that would be something but a catch.

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But anyway, they ended up going
around the other side and did a complete

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circle actually, and I went back
around and went back out the same way,

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and you could hear him keep going
until they started fading out. While

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they were fading out and fading out
till you couldn't hear him anymore. Now

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that was a while they anyway,
the a scared the Jesus out of his

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And what's interesting that one of the
things that is is that the day before

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I had when we were doing our
lecon around there, and we've seen a

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track of one, but it was
a smaller track. It was probably about

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twelve inches maybe a little less out. They would just see the impression of

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what it was and it was going
a certain way and there was a tree

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right there too, it looked like
it and a little cathway like and that's

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when we were I said let's get
some food and put out in a tree.

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I hadn't tried to put food up, and I said, oh gosh,

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a tray tree that crewed up the
stuff. So that we went to

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town and we got bananas and we
moved out and put them on the tree.

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Next morning we went out and checked
and those tracks were coming from the

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tree and the bananas were gone,
and there were snow scraps underneath the tree

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or anything something. You had taken
the bananas. So that's why we set

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up or camp there. I said, I said, our gamp up here.

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So we did. So that evening
that happened, and of course they

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were anxious to get out of there. Grandpa he never said a word or

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saying. None of us were really
talking, not till it was over,

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and they were leaving un lesson of
the stories. So funny one min I'm

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gonna skip it for now. But
next morning everybody was and as soon as

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he got daybreak and we were ready
to go, they were standing there for

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a little bit talking and I because
I'm trying to figure out what the hell

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is going on. We'd been going
in there and we know they were coming

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around, and then we hadn't had
any problems, and they just went ballistic

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crazy this night. And I I
was telling Joline, I said, my

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god, I wonder what happened.
Why did they do that? I'm thinking

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because I was telling them that the
younger one took them down, as it

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looked like from the tracks, he
might have taken that to the old man,

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and the old man might have got
pissed off, said us forgiveness kids

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some food. I'm just trying to
figure it out. And then he says

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no. And this guy is a
season hunter and he's been all over a

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business game hunter. He said no, he said they were here for you.

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I filled the shivers, the shills
go right down my neck. I

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said, here for me? Why
what he says last night? He said,

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when you come up with this sound? He says, at what twenty

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minutes? They were hited here?
He says, they came here for you.

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I said, oh shit. But
so anyway, we left, and

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I did go back, and I
took him home, and I went back

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only because I had a friend that's
a big foot hunter happened to be in

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the house. The house there donned
the roll. I don't know if you

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ever heard any but he was at
my house. He came from Montana,

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just happened to be here when I
came here that day after the camp got

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there. And here's a big time
big hunters. He's eighty years old,

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he's still going on and he's caught
a fellow that I told him. I

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said to go up there. Hell, I didn't want to go back.

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I was still fricking nerves. By
took him back up there and we walked

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around on him and I found a
scene where they came in. It was

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like they just leveled the brush and
everything. There wasn't anything. A big

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path where it must have been four
feet wide where they came in and went

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to around, but it was too
hard to see. Me really distinguished old

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tracks, but it was all missed
up. Scratch what you could tell where

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the footprintswerre back and forth, nothing
to cast. It was hard ground.

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But on the other side where they
went out, I found two trash in

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a softer areas, and the first
one I seen was I measured it by

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getting a breaking a stick up.
I didn't have any paper measuring stuff.

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I broke a stick off and measured
the later. But this one track was

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fifteen inches and to nine inches.
It was thirteen inches long those to nine

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inches like at the ball and put
seven inches at the heel, and not

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far from that there was another track, and then they had stepped right down

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where it was soft foiling for grass
and green. I don't know what you

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troll the stuff, but anyway,
it was heavy and it was spongy like

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material underneath the canopy and a soft
moist ground right in this area. And

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this thing had stepped right there and
right down there, right down to the

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rich you see the root system and
stuff. I jumped on it, and

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the area threat right there at the
track and I jumped and it just like

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a sponge. It went down and
it came back up this whatever it was

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so heavy, it went right down
and laid the bare roots. And the

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track was twenty three inches long and
about nine and a half inches wide and

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seven inch just out the heel.
So that was a big daddy guy.

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And that's the one I guess I
pissed off. Dwayne had said that he

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wasn't going to ever go back.
He'd been hunting over there over forty years

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with him then was bothered. But
that really did it for him and pretty

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much me too. And about the
months later, I wanted to go back

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up there, and I went by
and I asked him, said, let's

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go up there, and let's just
go and I said, I said,

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Dwayne, I said, it's daytime, it's summertime. I see in the

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afternoon it's hot. I said,
they're going to be out to sleeping somewhere.

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I wouldn't worry about it. Let's
go up there. Let's just go

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and talk him into it. And
his daughter came along and when they introduced

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me to him, and we went
up there, and are you still with

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me? Yes, Ronnie, I
am just I'm letting you talk because this

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is amazing. I'm doing my best, trying now to ask questions, but

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this is amazing. I told you
to somebody interrupting me or taking off or

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do something. It's taken me years
to get to the point not to interrupt

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people. But I just hope the
guy didn't hang up. Thank this is

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so much closer that you're good.
So anyway, it's all true. I

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don't sit around make stuff like this
up. In fact, I take the

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serious two the subject too seriously to
do that. Well, we went up

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there, and I just when I'm
thinking, because I was a little nervous

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going back, but I now these
things are gonna now that'd be sleeping somewhere.

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And I really convinced myself of that. And we got up there and

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parked right not far from the metal, and I had my car. They

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took there. If his daughter took
the jeep, they drove them that and

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I had my little green car and
we were parked right there on the access

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road, right next to the medal. I will us back in the meadow

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a little bit. And we were
there, and these if you hear some

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animals or birds chirping, if I'm
usually okay, there's pretty good sign they're

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not there unless you want them to
be there. It was completely silent.

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That's a good sign that they're probably
around. But these little birds were chirping

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on the other side of the metal. It's pretty good sided men about a

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hand seat across or more to the
front. And the birds, little bird

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sound like little finches or something.
But I'm here in the birds, and

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I'm looking at the daughter. She's
staring over that area. She's pretty smart

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girl. Nobody's say anything. I'm
looking over that way too. She starts

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chirping, and then she's got to
like a pattern chirp, but kind of

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like a pattern coming from the little
birdie over there too, and she's,

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yeah, it changed, there was
different these the chirping. I'm still not

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I'm not sure. She walks over
there. It was about sixty feet and

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when she got one in fifteen feet, the little birdie started picking up and

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tripping trip, getting excited. Maybe
birds can get excited somebody walking towards them.

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But she said she didn't go any
further. And still nobody's saying anything.

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We was just watching. And she
turned around and walked back to us,

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me and her dad, and they
were really going crazy. And then

408
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:35.119
something else was happening. Two two
squirrels came off about the time, off

409
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:39.039
the distance and towards the bottoms what
it's called the bottoms, and it's a

410
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:44.640
fascinating area. That's the first place
we camped out. When I went up

411
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.079
there, I thought it was a
good place. It's about our hours hiked

412
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.759
down in there, and it's like
the old girls and stuff and creak and

413
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.359
cabbage and even tell and part of
the swamp and the other I mean,

414
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.640
a perfect place for those things.
That's where we the first night, and

415
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.960
we actually had two of them that
night. That was long before this deal.

416
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.440
And you had to keep up with
me if you can't, because I

417
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.359
get sidetracked sometimes. But I'm going
to get back to what I was saying.

418
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:19.359
But they that first night we had
a whisper for both sides. The

419
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.880
next morning we figured what it was. Next morning we knew going out of

420
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.279
the bottoms, hikings starting to hide
because the rocks were hitting the trees ahead

421
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.880
of us as you're going out.
So that confirmed what it was. But

422
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.480
that's why it was. Okay,
we weren't having a problem. Now it's

423
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:39.759
changed. Now now we're there,
got the daughter and she's back, and

424
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:49.319
two squirrels the bottoms that are in
the direction of the bottoms. They're going

425
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.960
off crazy and Dune said, and
needn't knows his wildlife from the worms right

426
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:59.880
on up. But he said that
suns coming this way. And it was

427
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.880
just right after he said that,
which we could hear him coming. It

428
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.119
was the same freaking sounds that night. Now this is three o'clock in the

429
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:15.559
afternoon and they're coming that crazy chimpanzees
sounds, and the wolves, and are

430
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:22.679
the coyote rather and the raven and
owl, all the five them. I

431
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.519
counted five the way. I thought
there was a lot more than that,

432
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.719
but I'm going by the sounds.
I thought there was five. But they

433
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.480
right out of way, getting louder
and louder, just like the night,

434
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:37.360
except this the daytime, and they
knew we were there, and it's like

435
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.280
the second time. They're going to
have to freaking warners, you know.

436
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:46.000
But they come up and behind the
girl on the other side of the matter

437
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:50.199
was probably about one hundred feet away, and they came up to that.

438
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.960
You could tell they were right there
screaming and hollering, and sounded like surroundings

439
00:34:54.039 --> 00:35:00.320
sound amplified and echoing. It's just
so loud. And they weren't coming out

440
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:07.280
in the open. They were right
there and screaming and hollering. And Delanne

441
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:08.519
asked his daughter. He said,
you want to leave, because she was

442
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:14.199
pacing back and forth. She said
yeah, and I got in the car

443
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.599
and left. He asked me,
he said, you're coming. I I

444
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.760
don't know why, And I said, no, I'm gonna stick around a

445
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.760
little bit. And I'm not a
brave person. I don't know why I

446
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.199
do some things. I can't believe
why I do some things, but I

447
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.039
anyway, they laughed, and that
was a lonely feeling, watching her black

448
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.360
jeep going on at the dirt road
street woods on both sides of them.

449
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:44.400
And then I'm here. These things
are screaming and hollering and it's me.

450
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:50.559
I guess they want and I'm staying, which sounds crazy. And I'm looking

451
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:54.519
at my currents about twenty feet away, and it's pointed in a direction that

452
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:59.239
is a dead end on that road. So I get in and I have

453
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.559
to turn around on and I got
a pretty good idea of these things to

454
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.880
from report to. These things can
move, they're quick, they want you,

455
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.639
They're going to get you. I'm
thinking, my gosh, I don't

456
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.159
want them to have to think about
it. They might just changing that car.

457
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:21.159
Getting in there and turning around take
a little time. I'm I don't

458
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.280
like, but I start walking towards
your car because the closer to it I

459
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:29.760
am, the safer I feel.
And I as I'm walking towards it,

460
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.599
it's like I got two voices in
my head. I one saying get the

461
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:39.719
hell out of here, run go, and the other one saying, no,

462
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.599
if you go, you're going to
kick yourself in the butt the rest

463
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.559
of your life, this is why
you're here. And I just kept going

464
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.280
back and forth as I'm walking towards
the car because I wanted to get out

465
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.639
of there, but I didn't.
I walked to the front of the car,

466
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:00.760
leaned up against the hood. Now
these things are in back of me.

467
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.719
Now I got my back at him, and they're just still screaming and

468
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:12.360
hollering and really carrying on. And
I just I was determined that one voice

469
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.440
whatever was and went out, but
I thought, this is it. I'm

470
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:20.639
staying. I don't care if they
tear me apart. I'm staying here.

471
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.440
And as soon as I thought that, I'm not really into the mine speaks

472
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:29.840
stuff, but it was almost like, as soon as I thought that,

473
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.400
I'm standing here even if you,
even if they tear me apart. As

474
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:39.840
soon as I thought that, another
sound joined in with them, and it

475
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:50.119
was the most hideous, deep gurgling
growl, I like straight from Hell or

476
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.920
something. And it was loud.
It's just as loud as them, and

477
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:59.000
they were so loud already, and
it was just to growl because I and

478
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.840
it just it. And as soon
as I heard that, because this spella

479
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.800
sounded real serious, I was already
bad enough and when that joined in,

480
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:13.679
I thought, oh, I changed
my mind, and I walked around slowly

481
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:19.519
through my car and opened the door
and just still go on. But as

482
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.559
soon as I sat down, I
hadn't even closed the door yet, it

483
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:28.280
was silence. They all shut up, and which I knew right in.

484
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.559
They did what, they accomplished what
they wanted. So I drove out of

485
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.920
the slow, turned around, got
the cartooned around, and drove back out.

486
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.960
I had to be within probably sixty
feet or something back and there in

487
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:45.719
the brush, had the windows down
and went slow. Didn't hear a thing.

488
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.920
You wouldn't know that anything was there. And I yelled out the window

489
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.639
on the way and I said,
I love you. I don't know why

490
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.199
I shod that, but I went
out and I thought, ohoh boy,

491
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.559
that's it. My bigfoot days are
over. And I thought, I'm content.

492
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:05.559
I don't need it. I don't
need that just too much. And

493
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.400
I went back home and I was
glad to be relieved because I don't want

494
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:13.679
to go. But then again it
started bothering me, and I thought,

495
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.039
holy shit, I'm just thinking about
it. I can't get off my mind,

496
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:23.320
and it's like a loose end or
something. I'm leaving something, and

497
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:30.159
I didn't feel good about it,
but I'm terrified to go back, and

498
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:35.199
I got nobody to go with me
either. I'm alone and I just wanted

499
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.280
to hop back, but I'm not
going to go back, especially and push

500
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:44.000
the envelope too stern warnings. At
least one at least you thought that first

501
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.199
time, you really thought you were
going to die. And these things can

502
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.199
scare they a lot off, they
could terrify you. It's no wonder I

503
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.760
believe that. And I've interviewed a
lot of people over the years, and

504
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:01.199
military people that have been through this
and been to common that without fail,

505
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.440
somebody that had combat and had an
experience with the just seeing I'm not I

506
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.800
don't think as bad as what we
went through. Have said that this is

507
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:15.599
more frightening or more terrorizing than being
in a war. And I know where

508
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:21.280
they're coming from, at least with
this experience. But anyway that I'm laying

509
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.920
here and I thought I felt guilty
too, because Dwayne had told me he

510
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:28.679
said now he says, I never
had a problem with him till I brought

511
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.400
you up here. And I'm thinking, my gosh, I have this is

512
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:37.280
awful and it took me two weeks
land on my back and thinking about it,

513
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.760
and I thought, my god,
I want to go back, and

514
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:45.719
I'm freaking. I'm just it's going
to take a lot. I have to

515
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:47.159
have a reason. I thought,
God, I wonder if I could change

516
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:51.639
it around. If I could change
it around and get them back for the

517
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:57.079
kissed off and agitated, maybe that
would be worth a try. That's the

518
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.320
only way I would go back if
there was a chance. And I thought

519
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.960
of it, Gosh, I'll go
back on the food. They wouldn't touch

520
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:08.159
that food either. That they walked
by those bananas. We had fresh put

521
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:14.159
bananas back up in there after the
younger one had taken them. And this

522
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.039
things went in that night and they
passed that tree up twice. They was

523
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.039
going in and coming back out,
and they didn't touch the bananas. They

524
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:27.199
didn't want they were too that's how
pissed they were. So anyway, I

525
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.239
thought about it, and I thought, God, this it's really simple.

526
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.480
That best ways music, right,
I'll get some stuff maybe and go back

527
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.760
and put some food up in the
tree, and for this time, I'll

528
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.280
take a guitar and sing a little
fitched. And it took me a while.

529
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.840
I don't know what it was.
After I thought about how many days

530
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.719
I said thought about it, and
I was terrified to even think about it

531
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:52.920
doing it. And one morning I
did it. I just got up and

532
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.960
I just said, I do it. I'm going and I went by the

533
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.440
supermarket and I got some fruit and
stuff and I went out there put in

534
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.159
the tree. I had a chair
and a six pack and the guitar,

535
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.519
and I put the food up in
the chair might and the tree is back

536
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:13.360
away from the access road about a
hundred feet, so when I'm putting the

537
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.360
food up, takes ten or fifteen
minutes put it off through the tree.

538
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.920
And I looked back, and then
would have been my worst nightmare. I

539
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.440
was saying, oh my god,
I hope doing this. I don't look

540
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.320
back when I'm standing there by my
car or in between me and the car

541
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.480
and have a heart attack. But
it didn't happen. So I did that,

542
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:37.400
and I did it before I got
in real I was doing it for

543
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:42.719
three months. There was about three
weeks in between that I didn't because a

544
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.599
barret caught on it. He just
made a mess of everything, getting the

545
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:51.599
food and containers I had and everything, and I stayed away for over a

546
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.440
week, hope he'd go away right
and then come back. And he had

547
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:59.440
been gone a couple of days later
he came back in. So I stopped

548
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.440
it for another two weeks. Then
I started putting the food back up,

549
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:07.599
doing my thing and singing and playing
the guitar all together with all this,

550
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:13.440
and sometimes the fruit or whatever I'd
have other it would totally wrought twice,

551
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.840
get rotted and go back up there, and it's all sent it and nothing

552
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.199
touched it. That happened twice when
they're not three months, and I don't

553
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:27.320
know why that happened. There's somebody
out there from may hit no but I

554
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.719
But the rest of the time that
the other animals of critters or ravens,

555
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.840
the birds and squirrels or whatever it
would get the get the food, apples

556
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:42.679
or whatever, but they always left
droppings and food parts or whatever banana peels

557
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.800
abo the end of it or whatever. There's always a mess no matter what

558
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.440
got into them. After doing that, like I said, three months,

559
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.719
I was persistent in it, and
I'm just scared to death every time I

560
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.599
had it out here to drive up
there, but it did it anyway.

561
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.519
And this one day I hung by
and get some food and take them back

562
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:07.320
home, and nothing was happening up
there. Boy, the second time went

563
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:08.960
up there, didn't take them one
to know we were there in the daytime

564
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.880
and coming after us carrying. And
I've been there for almost three months and

565
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.880
there there were some silent times there, but no activities, no sounds,

566
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.719
no nothing. So I don't know. I'm sure those things this is an

567
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:27.400
established area, there's no doubt about
that. And I'm sure they were there

568
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.840
some time during that three months.
And yet they I don't know. They

569
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.039
must have been sit back and maybe
watched me and watching this crazy fellow that

570
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.079
came back after threatening to kill me
twice. Maybe I thought I was crazy,

571
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.159
you wanted to study me. I
don't know. But nothing happened,

572
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.440
no sounds going on. But anyway, towards the end of third month,

573
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.840
I went via the supermarket. Nothing. I don't know if there's had anything

574
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:58.079
to do with its CONCID. I
don't think it did. I think something

575
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.960
happened anyway, but I I've got
some fruit and I got some bananas.

576
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.199
Oh, and I was taking a
peanut butter at that time to peanut butter

577
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:12.599
sandwichers. But I had gotten a
BlackBerry cobbler, half a one, and

578
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.840
I had it in a container,
a clear container where you could see through

579
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:20.360
it, and it snapped on the
sides, like a pie container. You've

580
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.559
seen them. They're clear, you
can see through them, and they snap

581
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.119
on the side. But I took
it all up there, and I put

582
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.559
the bananas, peanut butter or through
the limbs and tied the some of the

583
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.119
food and stuff up from the bottom
of the top, and I on a

584
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.320
cobbler. I put it in a
cloth bag, shopping bag. It was

585
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:44.039
cloth, a heavy duty cloth.
And I put the cobbler container with a

586
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:49.559
cobbler in it, about eight feet
up on a lamb, and I sat

587
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.719
there for about twenty minutes and a
hundred about seventy feet from the tree,

588
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.480
and played some songs and sang,
drink one or two beers, and the

589
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.679
facts that left. The other next
morning, I come back and I'm looking.

590
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.880
I see had I had a dozen
bananas around the tree. They weren't

591
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:08.960
there. I could tell that when
I'm approaching the tree. They weren't there.

592
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:15.000
And I'm looking down at the ground. There's no mesh. All these

593
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.559
other animals have always made a mess. No matter what it was or left

594
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:22.280
part of something, there's no messes
clean. And I'm thinking, oh,

595
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:28.199
that's a good sign. And now
I'm looking at that bag with the cobbler,

596
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:32.400
and I take it down and look
at it and the containers still in

597
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:40.039
the bottom, but codler is gone
and the bottom of the container is clean.

598
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.519
So I can only imagine maybe something
licked it clean and it was snapped

599
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:52.239
back shut and it was still in
that bag. I said, woo who.

600
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:58.039
They started taking the food and I
go back to town to tell Dwayne.

601
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:00.000
I said, Dwayne, you got
to come up. I said,

602
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.800
you just got to come up.
I want your opinion on this. And

603
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.639
then I took him up there and
I put the bag up eighteen. I

604
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:13.280
took it down and showed him holding
no scraps around here and all that,

605
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.199
and I look at that this is
clean in here, this container's clean.

606
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.440
And what really got him that it
would have been snapped back and he told

607
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.400
me he said, I don't know, says, I don't know if anything

608
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:30.000
would have could have done that.
And I knew I was successful at that

609
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:35.719
point on that. I took him
back. I put some more food up.

610
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.920
I put twelve apples up after that, and I went back up by

611
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.840
myself, and every time I man
really have to get my nerveout to go

612
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:50.599
back up there. But I went
up there next day and I could tell

613
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.320
walking up to the tree the apples
are gone. And I'm looking around there's

614
00:47:54.360 --> 00:48:00.599
no scraps, and oh boy,
and I I'm looking there's one apple on

615
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.920
the lowest limb that I put one
down below, and it's right there.

616
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.199
There was one apple and it hadn't
been touched. And I don't know,

617
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:15.440
but I'm thinking hey might have been
a kind of like peace offering were good.

618
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.000
At least that's the way I wanted
to think of it. And so

619
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.800
I did a little singing thing and
I left, did the same thing,

620
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:28.199
repeated, come back, gone,
no sounds, no nothing, and did

621
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.519
a little singing thing. Left,
I come back. I think it was

622
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:36.840
about the fourth time a day,
come back. And now I'm sitting there.

623
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.280
I put the food up, and
I go sit in my chair and

624
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:46.559
step on a beer and start playing. And now I'm hearing. I'm hearing

625
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.920
the whips and little high pitched sounds
of stuff, and back me back in

626
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.840
the woods a little bit, and
I'm the oh boy, I did it

627
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:58.840
I'm thinking I did it, but
I'm still nervous and scared. I'm not

628
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.639
really thinking it that way until the
next time, and I know it's these

629
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.360
things back in there for the whoops
and stuff, and just like the sound

630
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:12.719
to hear that people say they've reported
and the lookie. So now I'm hearing

631
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:16.159
it for the second time, and
it just dawned on me. I succeeded

632
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.960
in what I wanted to do to
turn it around. And I don't know

633
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:22.360
why I didn't think that before,
but I didn't, And all of a

634
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.199
sudden it hit me and it was
like a hundred pounds of weight just went

635
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:30.519
right off my shoulders and stress and
stuff, and so it was all right.

636
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.239
It was great, and it felt
good. It was comfortable. It's

637
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:40.599
a pretty pretty amazing feeling to be
connected in some way to something like that.

638
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:47.079
That's just I it's hard to explain, like connecting with another world or

639
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:52.559
something. And I and on a
friendly basis too. What a feeling that

640
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.800
I said, didn't a thing.
I drive out of there, and I

641
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.920
don't know, I had it happen
a lot. It kept going back.

642
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.639
I was never there waiting for me, but I was scared every morning,

643
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.679
I was just I had all I
could do to get my nervous. Even

644
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:12.039
though I'd been pleasant, it was
still nerve wrecking that they'd go back once

645
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.239
I was there and they were doing
their thing, and I explaining and saying

646
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.159
it was fine, But I was
always scared the next morning to go up

647
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.679
and I don't know why, but
I was. But I had someone I

648
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.039
was really interesting I had done and
that changed it around and had what a

649
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.119
feeling. So I'm glad I didn't
sit on my ass risk my life wondering

650
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:36.840
about it. But so I did
that and it really got interesting. But

651
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.679
I still didn't want to go by
myself, and I wanted company or somebody

652
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:46.440
went into something. And there's a
fellow big guy works out. He's a

653
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:52.880
Mexican villain and he's been to prison
almost but he's actually a good guy,

654
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.920
like he was a friend. But
he's not into this big foot or stuff

655
00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:00.679
or anything in the woods or whatever. But he knew what I was doing.

656
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.559
I tried. I thought, he
lives bad your town before I start

657
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.719
off on the road to go back
up there, and I want to drop

658
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:08.159
I just the hell of it and
see if he wants to go, because

659
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:12.760
I want a company, And he
surprised me. He said, yeah,

660
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.960
I'll go with you. Huh,
So he did. Now all these this

661
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:21.519
stuff had been happening with me.
So now I'm taking him up there,

662
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.880
and we get right to this place
right by the meadow right and close the

663
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.039
trees down too far as soon as
we pulling. But soon as we got

664
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.719
out of the car, I'm ahead
of him walking towards the tree and he's

665
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.800
behind me. And those things started
off with working and stuff, but a

666
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:43.599
little more aggressive. There was some
stalking and a little bit They were just

667
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:50.440
a little bit different and maybe a
little intimidating, and especially somebody that's never

668
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:55.639
experienced anything. And I looked back
at him and his eyes were ready to

669
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.920
bowls right out, and he looked
in his face was probably He said,

670
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.840
I think I want to go,
And I said, I said so,

671
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.280
I said, this is I said
this it just getting started. I want

672
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.800
to go. I ad to take
an honor. But I did that a

673
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.360
couple of times. I took another
fello up there some time in between.

674
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.800
It wasn't very often, but if
I could find someone to go. But

675
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:23.880
he walked back in a little bit
big stop on the ground and a smell.

676
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:28.960
I never ever smelled anything with him
that this guy did. And he

677
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.599
was a hiker, hike the mountains
of stuff, never had experience. He

678
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:35.920
didn't want to come back either,
and I had tooken the one that was

679
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:42.039
really interesting. Third guy I took
back up there. He had he used

680
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.760
to live here in this small town. He had an elk and deer and

681
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.039
thought he was a hunter, and
he was interested in Bigfoot and a Barrett

682
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.519
too, and he was interested big
But I talked to him about when he

683
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.480
lived here and he was just intrigued
with him. But he had never seen

684
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.280
the evidence. Hunting here for thirteen
years and he got divorced, so he

685
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.480
went to New York where he's got
family. But he comes out here about

686
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.599
once a year and spends a few
days business with some family, his kid

687
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.679
and stuff. But anyway, he
was out here. He gave me a

688
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.800
call and he wanted to spend a
day with me before he went back to

689
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.400
New York. I said, yeah, it'd be great. So he came

690
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:23.119
over and telling me then yet,
and when he showed up, I said,

691
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:28.159
hey, they got o where VICTI
was at and he's he got excited.

692
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.000
That's great, so we went up
there. I always thought that these

693
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:36.159
things knew because they were there waiting
for me when we had this gone,

694
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:40.079
and I paid that they knew when
I was coming because of my car,

695
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:49.599
if I remember, And I think
that we took his band and we were

696
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:57.320
up there and probably maybe ten minutes
before the area that I stopped at where

697
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:01.760
a tree is in the meadow,
I mean a mountain there you can't see,

698
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:07.480
and it's a ways away yet,
and I was driving up there towards

699
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:13.840
it, and then I got the
food and everything. But I hadn't heard

700
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:15.679
this sound up there yet. I
did hear it in the Siskius in northern

701
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:21.679
California. But I heard the sound
that sounds like an aerd you know that

702
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:27.440
one. And he heard it and
his eyes got big and he looked at

703
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.440
me and he pointed, and I
said, of course, by this time,

704
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.559
I'm used to him, pretty used
to him being there, even though

705
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.079
I hadn't heard that sound before,
and they hadn't come up with that one

706
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.920
up there. And I looked at
him and I said, yeah, I

707
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.599
said that that fellow, he's just
he's letting the snow that he knows we're

708
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:50.079
coming, or he's getting in the
troops. We made it. We arrived

709
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.199
to the spot. We get out. As soon as he got out.

710
00:54:53.639 --> 00:55:01.039
The trees don't where always part trees
not far There was a grunt coming from

711
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:04.320
the other side of the meadow,
on the other side of the road,

712
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:07.159
away from the tree. It was
several hundred feet. I'd get about three

713
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:12.400
hundred feed back, and he said, and I checked that out on the

714
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.480
YouTube later on after I got out
of there and train it was gorilla.

715
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:21.480
It sounded just like a fricking gorilla. Anyway, you heard that grunt and

716
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.480
he's not saying anything. Were silent, but he pointed me, and I

717
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:29.199
looked. I said, I just
shook my hand. And about a minute

718
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.840
later that was on the other side
of this metal we're looking at, and

719
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.159
then on the other side of the
medal, and a grunt came off again,

720
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:42.079
and he said, I think something's
encircling us. I said, yeah,

721
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.880
I do too, That's what you
would think it was in sequence a

722
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.880
grunt there, a little bit a
grunt like something's going in this direction,

723
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:55.360
and a grunt further down in the
same direction going and then I'm out a

724
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.480
minto light. There was a grunt
behind us. Behind and think, well,

725
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:04.199
across the road further down the access
road. Now it's behind us on

726
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.400
the left because the grunt there.
About a minute later, there was a

727
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:12.480
grunt behind us on the other side
of us, behind us, and so

728
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:17.760
that's five grounds and it sounded just
like something and circled us. And so

729
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:23.840
he's this guy. He's not your
typical fellow. Most people wouldn't. That

730
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:28.119
would have been enough. They'd wanted
to get ple out of there. The

731
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.840
scream would have done it before we
got back in there. He was excited

732
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.119
and he's just looking around. And
he's a big guy. He's like an

733
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.440
old hillbilly or something. But he's
already he's got a good art and he's

734
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.800
just excited and he's looking around and
stuff. Now I'm wondering what he's looking

735
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:46.199
for. Lean in a car and
he and he sees a tree branch alumb

736
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:50.800
and he says, hey, can
I grab that? And whacked that tree.

737
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.119
I don't make any sounds, but
he deserved it. I'm just I

738
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:58.599
was more interested in him at this
point, and that was the Bigfoot,

739
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.559
and I said yeah, I said, and plus he asked permission. Gosh,

740
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.800
I don't get that much respect usually
it was pretty neat, so I

741
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:08.239
said, yeah, take it,
go ahead and grab it, and go

742
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.599
ahead and do it. I said, I don't do it because I don't

743
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.599
know what I'm conveying, but go
ahead. He whacked it once, he

744
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:17.840
whacked it twice, then he whacked
it the third time, and the third

745
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:23.880
time he did it. Those five
grunts from those five positions came off at

746
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:32.480
the same time. We were already
surrounded. What do you think of that?

747
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:39.039
How do you figure that one out? I'm still here, dude,

748
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:44.679
this is nuts. Okay, I
have a clarification question real quick. I

749
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.199
don't want to I don't want to
distract you at all, But how long

750
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:53.360
ago was this? About? Two
years ago? Two years ago, Ronnie,

751
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:59.599
I couldn't get back in there.
I would have continued doing what I

752
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:01.039
was doing, but I had to
go to a Florida for long. I

753
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:06.519
ended up seven months there and that
was the beginning of spring a couple of

754
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.320
years ago, and I and then
I got back here and there was a

755
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:14.320
fire going, so I couldn't get
back in there. Then when it was

756
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:19.639
coming there with snow, then the
next year a freaking fire again. So

757
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.159
I have been able to get back
and there it's been blocked up. I

758
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.599
did manage for a little while up
one of the fires. I got back

759
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:28.599
up in there and I put a
food back up in there. I have

760
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:30.480
been able to get back and check
it out. And right now still snow

761
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.920
up in there and muddy, and
I'm afraid I'll get stuck. It's the

762
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.159
ways back in. But I so
I haven't been able to get back up

763
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:43.599
in there. But I but I
did get up there for a little bit

764
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:50.000
before freaking having problems getting but because
I was worried that the fire had taken

765
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.320
this whole area. I don't know, God, that'd be my luck,

766
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:57.960
established area with a family of these
things and it freaking destroyed. In fact,

767
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:00.480
that's what everybody was saying. Fire
where chuse But guys are ahead of

768
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.119
these fires, are correcting on one
of that. Because I would ask it

769
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:07.320
around, they said, that's pretty
much that's gone. It wasn't I got

770
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.920
up when it was calm there,
or and you get access to get back

771
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.559
in their stuff. Heck that a
growth back in this where these things were

772
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.679
was twice as thick the end of
growth there. Still it's even better.

773
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:23.239
And I've seen beer there too,
so I'm thinking that all that smoke and

774
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:28.480
activity and everything, but today would
have had the left. But whether it

775
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.440
came back or not, not sure, but I got a feeling they probably

776
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:36.199
would and it hadn't been touched,
so that was great. As soon as

777
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.280
I get back up in there,
I'm going to try to shoot. Yeah,

778
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:42.159
but it's only been a couple of
years since I and I left on

779
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:47.280
good terms, Ronnie, can you
share anything about Can you share anything about

780
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:54.519
where that area or the general location
of that area is for context? I

781
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:58.719
get I totally get that, Ronnie. Can you is it? Are we

782
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.639
talking? Can you at least there? Share the state? Oh, it's

783
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:06.360
Oregon. It's Oregon. Okay.
In fact, i'll tell you this.

784
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:08.159
I'll tell you the city. Yeah, I can tell you that. It's

785
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:12.239
not a city. It's a town. It's about two or three miles long.

786
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.239
It's surrounded by mountains, and there's
place is Eugene. But it's Oakridge,

787
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:22.559
you know, Oakridge, surrounded by
mountains and woods. Those reports around

788
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:27.280
here open, Yeah, I can
tell you all about some interesting reports.

789
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:31.559
Actually, how long ago did the
Dwane your incident when Dwayne was with you?

790
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:37.840
How long ago did that happen h
two years. Well, that all

791
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:42.679
happened within the year about two years. Except for that, except for that

792
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.639
three months, I was mostly by
myself. But yeah, he was there

793
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:53.480
all the time. Yeah, I'll
tell you something funny and funny because he

794
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:58.400
was he was really happy that I
was up there with him. And he

795
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.559
would we'd go up there and at
the beginning he'd say, this is my

796
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:05.599
research area. And it was on
ed and saying they ever once only say

797
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.159
that he had in the car one
time because it had been up there and

798
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:13.119
we had some other just other things
that happened. I don't know how much

799
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:15.360
time with that, but I have
time. He said, this is that

800
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.920
one time he says that this is
our research area. He said, there

801
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.639
I go. He said, I'm
saying our research area. And I thought

802
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.119
it was kind of nice. But
when we were coming up, when he

803
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:31.320
said he spotted that track. He
just excellent as a track tracker and animals.

804
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.679
And when he's seeing that track coming
from the trees where I got that's

805
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.559
where I got to get to put
that food up in that tree. He's

806
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:42.840
seeing that and God, yes,
and he had to point it out to

807
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.599
me. I would have walked right
over. But that's when he hit me

808
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:50.559
on the back and said this is
our research area. That was pretty nice.

809
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:52.480
That makes it feel good. That
night when we I said let's camp

810
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:57.039
out here, that's what I should
do. In that metal over there,

811
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.159
we put up our and against up
again the tree line and the court.

812
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:07.960
That night they came in and I'm
doing that through all that and after they

813
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:15.320
left, we're still here and believing, and Dwayne's he's cussing. He's just

814
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.840
going on and thinking, oh ship, And this guy's got a temper I

815
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:22.320
know, and I'm thinking, oh
God, he's not just to me for

816
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:25.840
getting him in this situation. I'm
the one suggested camping here, and he

817
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.800
says, as cuss and I ain't
saying that, no, Grandpa. He's

818
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.280
right in the middle of us.
And he never did say anybody anything.

819
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:36.400
I found. I thought he was
pretty brave. I found him later on.

820
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:38.400
He was terrified. He ain't ever
going back out in the woods,

821
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:43.360
Grandpa. But Dwayne, he's just
cussing away. I just finally had to

822
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:49.480
say something. I said, Dwayne, I said, why'd you cussing that?

823
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:53.480
He says, I'm cussing myself.
I'm cussing myself for getting myself in

824
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:59.800
this situation. And I said,
we could still hear them fading out.

825
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:05.039
I said, Dwayne, they're leaving. You're done, I said, He

826
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.039
said, Yo, they're going.
He said they're not coming back. Because

827
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:13.159
I didn't know that one hundred percent, but I didn't feel they were at

828
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.559
that point. They didn't hurt us, they didn't kill us, and things

829
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:20.880
don't want you that much anyway.
I just thought, were okay, they

830
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:22.960
accomplished the missing, secared that,
but Jesus out of us. But I

831
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:27.880
because that doesn't mean they can't change
your mind. But I told him,

832
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.639
I said, they're not coming back. And then he said, how do

833
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.039
you know? I said, they're
just not. They did what they wanted

834
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:36.599
to do this here, they held
out of us for we won't come back.

835
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.639
He kept cussing anyway, and at
that point I was going to go

836
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:44.840
asleep. I actually felt, okay, I'm pretty much anyway, not all,

837
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:46.760
not one hundred percent. And he
just kept cussing. And I said,

838
01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:57.079
Dwayne, what I said, this
is our research area? He said,

839
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.400
this is your research area. I
don't want to be re searcher.

840
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:05.679
That is hilarious. Oh that was
classic. Oh Man that's such a good

841
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:10.199
story, Ronnie. Thank you for
sharing that. That's amazing. And it

842
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:15.960
just happened two years ago. Wow, oh yeah. Early recently, I

843
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:19.840
got a feeling back there. My
idea was to keep pushing the envelope slowly

844
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:26.440
after I re established thing, we're
okay and they're there, and I thought,

845
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:30.079
my gosh, every step you take
with someone like kid, it's just

846
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.320
cricking, hair raising, scary stuff. But I thought I made it that

847
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:38.920
far. I look back and it
seems surreal. I just can't imagine me

848
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:44.440
that brave to go back up there, especially after the dangerouss that sounded those

849
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.320
two times. And I went back
up there by myself, and I just

850
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:50.079
can't. I find that hard to
believe because I just state that brain,

851
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:54.880
but I did it. It's weird, but I's like there's another me or

852
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.840
something. So I figured, God, things are going along good, even

853
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.039
though I'm still nervous about going up
there. Got it. I figured it.

854
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:05.440
I'm just guessing maybe a year within
a year, because I thought from

855
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:10.719
there, I got to trust.
I think that one apple was left for

856
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:15.159
me and they're pretty, and these
things are not trusting. It takes a

857
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.920
lot, these events circumstances. I
hadn't had the way to it. I

858
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:23.039
don't think it would. I don't
think we've ever done. I thought,

859
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:27.239
God, if I do that for
a year straight and even get them more

860
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:30.960
trust, trusting and should of course, I'd probably have to stay up there

861
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.000
at night. I hadn't got my
nerve up yet to do at night,

862
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:39.840
this night daytime stuff. Even with
him being nice, I felt scared to

863
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:42.559
go up there and stay the night. But I figured up to do this

864
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:45.039
for a year. I might get
to meet him, to see him,

865
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:48.719
and I probably have to do it, and I where they'd feel safer,

866
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:51.800
where they can get closer to you. But that was my goal. And

867
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:57.880
then all that stuff having when the
fires and everything and just messed everything up.

868
01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:00.360
But if I continue it, that's
what I think. I'll try to

869
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:04.079
do that. But now I'm nervous
again. I'm like starting over. I

870
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:10.400
almost I don't know dynamics have changed, if they've changed, or maybe they're

871
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:14.440
moody, maybe somebody joined the group
that doesn't like people. There's all kinds

872
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:17.639
of a lot of things go through
your hand, and I want to find

873
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.519
out as soon as I can get
they're still muddy and still up there now,

874
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.440
But as soon as I can,
I'm going to get back in there

875
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:30.519
and tinker around with it some more
so great stuff. But I oh,

876
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:34.119
I got to I'm gotta tell you
this one. Yes before we I have

877
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:40.079
a quick question Ronnie to throw in. Would you take people to that area

878
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:47.320
again? Oh no, not unless
I really knew that. I did get

879
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:53.159
some guys together before and I was
going to put the group together, and

880
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:58.280
I actually I took a lot of
time doing hand picked the people and stop.

881
01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.000
Also, people here, thank you. I'm wrong with me. That's

882
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.039
it goes with the territory, with
any place on this stuff. I'm used

883
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:08.719
to that that doesn't bother me.
But but there's a few people and most

884
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:12.320
of the people people that had this
stuff. There was people that come on

885
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.760
the side because I got the reputation
around here is being the bigfoot guy,

886
01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:20.719
which most people ninety five percent things
a joke. But there's the people come

887
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:27.000
to be on the side that have
done something happen that don't want they have

888
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.119
to leave her and they don't want
to go through anything negative. There's several

889
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:34.320
impact. One guys that game hunter
up here, that's how he makes us

890
01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:36.840
living, and he doesn't want to
know neither. But he's a great guy.

891
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:41.280
He sees tracks quite a bit and
stuff, but you don't want to

892
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:43.599
know. And so I got a
few. But anyway, I was put

893
01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.559
a team together. I had about
a half dozen guys and I got a

894
01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:51.400
man of guy that he's the guy, a real military guy. He wrote

895
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:58.760
of medals and body volunteered for and
a sergeant marine surgeon. God, I

896
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:02.199
need somebody to have this see s
purfeet. And I got him to do

897
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:05.119
it. We all in agreement in
our friend and he was like me,

898
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:09.480
a no killed thing. We don't
want to shoot at these things or anything.

899
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:13.480
So we'd all agreement that. But
one other everybody agreeing on it.

900
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.760
Had two professional hunters and stuff,
and they knew something about this stuff,

901
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:20.479
and it was all great. We
had a great team. And I was

902
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:24.760
up there with one of them after
a month or two into this stuff,

903
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:27.680
and he just looked. It was
just being him out there and one of

904
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:31.079
these hunters and he is he said, he said, I'm going to kill

905
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:34.600
one. I just looked at him. He said what. I didn't even

906
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:38.239
say anything. He looked at me
and he was just staring at me.

907
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:41.079
He said, I'm going to kill
him, he said, the only way

908
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:45.279
you're going to prove this, I'm
the son of a bitch. No,

909
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:49.239
No, I think these things knew. I had an idea about him,

910
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:54.279
because he had done quite a bit
of looking around doing that. And I

911
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:59.239
think they no evidence at all,
and he never seen anything. And he

912
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.600
told me that. I'm think less
good as they're there, but I think

913
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:06.640
they got to beat on it.
These things are freaking super smart. It's

914
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:11.359
just unbelievable. They're so smart.
I can't figure these things out. It's

915
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:16.119
like an oxymoron. They're like primitive
and barbaric eyed. They're just they're brutal,

916
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:21.600
they're strong, they're wild. Run
down a freaking deer and elk and

917
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:25.439
kill it and eat it raw and
all that stuff, and then be so

918
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:29.800
super intelligent, how smart everything you
do, they're already ahead of you before

919
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:33.399
you think of something. I just
it's at one hell of a phenomena.

920
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:36.600
I don't know what to think about
it. The deep you get into it,

921
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:42.159
that the proverbial rabbit hole or whatever
it is, you just just get

922
01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:46.760
steep and you just don't just seem
try to try to explain it. And

923
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:50.560
we don't even know what the hell
they are. Obviously they're there, What

924
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:55.159
the hell are they? I'm just
I don't know, but it's just great

925
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:59.640
stuff and I want a phenomena.
No, I'm nervous. I'd really have

926
01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:02.760
to know somebody. I'll never do
that again. And in fact that we

927
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.680
had the teager that scouting looking,
nothing ever happened, didn't see anything.

928
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:12.920
Since I've been by myself, I've
done around. I hear him, and

929
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:17.119
I've seen tracks. I cast one
of them, and I do better by

930
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:23.319
myself. And the three times I
brought people up there, that three times

931
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:28.399
something happened, and I'm convinced that
they didn't want me bringing anybody there.

932
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:34.600
They elevated the intimidation factor a little
bit. Every time I brought somebody.

933
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:40.119
That was all intimidation stuff, and
they didn't want to come back, accept

934
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:43.520
the ability. But he had to
go back to New York, so he

935
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:46.479
didn't come back me. They didn't. They worried about me not coming back.

936
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:49.319
They know I'm crazy after what I
went through with him. I got

937
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:51.840
to tell you this one now,
just what I don't know how to excin

938
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:56.720
you that or whatever, Ronnie,
I have the time, don't it's it

939
01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.800
all comes down to how much time
you have. I have the time though

940
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:04.279
we're good. This is me.
I've got a lot of things to talk

941
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:09.039
about. I go on forever,
but this is the most important factor now

942
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:13.920
because it's so recent and stuff,
and there's still possibilities. I was told

943
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:16.279
had by one of the hundred guys
were out fact was the guy that wanted

944
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:20.560
to kill one, and I dissed
myself from him, hoping he go away,

945
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:25.760
and I guess you did. But
he's the one that told me that

946
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:30.960
I've heard it before that during hunting
season, these things leave an area.

947
01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:34.520
They're in an area, and that
makes sense gun's going off, people coming

948
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:39.760
in, they leave an area.
I thought, now, this is they're

949
01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:43.359
there every time I go up there, whooping and stuff, and I thought,

950
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:47.479
God, that's a good time to
maybe just that. So hunting season

951
01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:51.920
was coming around first of his deer, and then there was out season,

952
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:57.079
and I believe anyway, I went
up there and for six back of the

953
01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:02.239
food ups and I am sitting there
and I'm playing in the singing and they're

954
01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:08.039
whooping in the background, and can
almost teach them fucking dancing factor or something,

955
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:12.159
because you could tell their movie because
they're whooping and stuff, and I

956
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.039
all of a sudden they're quiet.
Then they just kept their quiet, and

957
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:24.920
they're coming two hundreds and four wheinners. One of the they both had rifles,

958
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:28.800
and one of the camouflage room.
And then they pulled up one behind

959
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:31.000
the other. I'm sitting in the
chair with the beer, playing to get

960
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:36.039
dark and he says, boy,
you sure know how to do it.

961
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:40.800
Said yeah, I just did here
and wait for him to come to me.

962
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:44.960
And he said, we haven't any
luck. And they're talking about honey.

963
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.319
And they talked for about twenty minutes
and they said, oh, take

964
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:50.840
it easy, answer again. I
wonder they left. They got on down

965
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:55.079
the ways a little bit and they
started whipping again, and and go on.

966
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:59.680
About forty minutes later. I'm still
sitting there drinking the beer and playing,

967
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:01.199
and said, and they're whooping all
that. They're having a good time.

968
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:05.279
And another had to come along in
the four underd day stopped till he

969
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:10.039
left the same thing. And I
know so much for that theory. I

970
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:15.000
mean, these things are so confident
that the letters people don't bother them.

971
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:21.680
Vegas remain hidding so well, you're
just not going to know they're there.

972
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:29.079
They're not bothered by people. They're
not bothered at all. They they don't

973
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:32.840
have to let you over there.
That's how good they are. It's just

974
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:36.520
amazing. So, yeah, they
were there during hunting season. All the

975
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:43.720
hundreds didn't bother. It's a great
stuff. Have you heard any You mentioned

976
01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:48.479
you'd heard other reports from the same
area as well. Yeah, my some

977
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:54.159
of law was a cop here.
He finally got away from after ten years,

978
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:58.840
but he was a cop here at
the time and he got the call.

979
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:03.520
I'm instead. He comes in the
house and he says, hey,

980
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.039
you just got a bid for a
report and whatever, and he's trying to

981
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.039
tell me. I said, give
me the details, name for me,

982
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:14.000
let me talk to the guy tomorrow, take him off. He had a

983
01:14:14.199 --> 01:14:19.079
fresh report and I, which don't
hear hert and I he wanted to get

984
01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:21.560
it. I did it for him. I said, it's got to be

985
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:25.199
a crick and while goose Chase,
I said, I've been on this before,

986
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:28.159
I know better. I'll know where
it's out in the direction and all

987
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:33.880
this stuff. And he actually followed
his cop car out till about twenty miles

988
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.000
or something in the road, and
then he stopped me. He said,

989
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:40.319
right back in there, you'll see
a victory and stuff for it. Pitch

990
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:45.560
black. I've got the headlights.
But I anyway, I was supposed to

991
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:49.479
see this thing. I close up
and he was cutting logs or something,

992
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:55.920
and I go back in. I
knew better it was stupid, buddy,

993
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.880
to go back in. Trees all
over the place. I can't find nothing

994
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.920
the way to find that he's a
better cut than he's a big fitter.

995
01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:09.439
So I drove around for a while. You don't know where to hell the

996
01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:14.720
stopper exactly this happened, and went
back home. I went out the next

997
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:20.039
day and I think he went out
and showed me, yeah, right where

998
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:25.039
it happened and stuff, and there
was some dancatation tracks. I couldn't make

999
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:29.279
it any good treasure, right,
But anyway, this guy was after some

1000
01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:31.680
kind of stern. A lot of
trees are down, so people were out

1001
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:36.000
cutting firewood in different areas back in
the woods. It surrounded the woods,

1002
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:41.560
gooph forever around here. But this
guy the call, and he was so

1003
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:46.039
scared he colf trust. He had
to pick up and he had a chainsaw

1004
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:51.119
and he was cutting this way up
and it was getting dust and he looks

1005
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:56.159
up and right up on this ridge
above him, a little bit of an

1006
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:01.399
elevation, only about fifteen twenty feetuation. Things standing, They're looking at him,

1007
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.600
and he said he didn't pay attention
to right away. He said,

1008
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:13.439
he looked back and just kept on
cutting. He said, he thought he's

1009
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:15.640
got there's a man standing. There's
what he thought. He wouldn't get into

1010
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:20.039
excited. People do this a lot
with these things. For some reason.

1011
01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:25.520
They've don't seen him man, when
they actually I think, no, they

1012
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.880
know that they didn't see it all. And anyway, I said, he

1013
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:34.159
looked again, and he said,
yeah, you know, and I said

1014
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:38.039
he stood up. He said,
just staring this things staring at him.

1015
01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:45.720
And he said that he caught his
head looked a little bit more because the

1016
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:49.880
trees are right behind this thing.
And the thing cocked his head at the

1017
01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:55.119
same time, just like you did. Like it was either mimic game or

1018
01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:58.880
whatever. The Kacha said, just
like you did. And that was enough.

1019
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:01.239
He was and that pickup and he
was gone, left his tools.

1020
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:06.079
I saw everything, and on the
way into town, he called the cops.

1021
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:12.319
He wanted to tell it, but
he did not want anybody in tow

1022
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:18.000
annoying it. And he came by
with a couple of kids, great two

1023
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:23.119
good little girls, but he great
little family. They came by and stayed

1024
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:26.800
for a couple of hours and went
to it and talked to him about it.

1025
01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:30.439
And we never say anything about it
to anybody. And so you hit

1026
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:35.479
reports there was a guy here about
three months ago whatever during the summer,

1027
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:42.640
when that God has been more longer
or not did the gas station? I

1028
01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:45.600
have no doubt because tell the truth, he had no reason to make this

1029
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.760
soup in the run. Stop telling
us big for the stories. But about

1030
01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:54.439
the gas station. I pulled in. They looked at the mountain up there,

1031
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:58.119
and there's a meadow up there.
I know they come to there because

1032
01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:02.560
I've been here long enough to people
and people I know they're not lying,

1033
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:08.760
and they come to here around the
ridges and stuff. But people don't even

1034
01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:12.239
know it. That's amazing. But
this guy was. He says, I've

1035
01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:15.760
seen a big foot up there and
I just got out to get gas.

1036
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:17.960
And he said where, He said, matter right there and he said that

1037
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:24.239
he said there was elk. He
says it ran out from the woods into

1038
01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:26.239
the manner. But he said,
I was scared. You could tell he

1039
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:31.239
stopped and it was looking around and
then it started folded again and it was

1040
01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:34.199
going to the woods on the other
side of the He said, out of

1041
01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:39.039
the tree line came this man.
But it wasn't a man. He says,

1042
01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:42.800
it was dark recovery. It wouldn't
close. He said, it was

1043
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.359
dark. Didn't look like close.
He said, just Paul and asked after

1044
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:49.479
it across that mento, so you
get get him here. And I talked

1045
01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:54.199
to the biologists here years ago.
He said, the only thing he's seen

1046
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:56.560
in thirty years of it. And
he said what tracks? He said,

1047
01:18:56.600 --> 01:19:00.840
he cast up westric has won.
He said, they had the four toes.

1048
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:08.239
I don't understand that lists there.
I don't know ry real quick that.

1049
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:12.039
I was just going to ask you
that. Actually I've talked to gentlemen

1050
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:16.760
where uh and also in Alaska too, there are reports that there are four

1051
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:23.600
toad sasquatch that are extremely aggressive,
especially in the mount Hood area, so

1052
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:28.119
that could be what they were.
Yeah, so he saw a four toad

1053
01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:32.239
track in that area. As the
biologist, he wouldn't lie to me give

1054
01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:36.640
me. In fact, he told
me, I said, did you ever

1055
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:40.399
show anybody or whatever? And he
said, I took the die up in

1056
01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:44.159
a bit, but researcher, he's
up in the mount hood. And I

1057
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:46.840
said, park Bill and he says, yeah, that says the name.

1058
01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:49.399
Peter Burnie says, yes, it
was. That was it. He said

1059
01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:55.279
he took that track to Peter burn
You know who Peter Burne is, Oh,

1060
01:19:55.359 --> 01:20:00.359
absolutely, yeah, definitely know who
Peter burn So he was that tow

1061
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:05.560
track around the Oakridge area then,
or no, you know something I don't

1062
01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:10.760
remember, it's been years, orgo
here. T to him about it,

1063
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:15.920
and it was in the state here, but he had worked here in Washington

1064
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.880
too, but he was thirty years
in the forest biologist but I don't remember.

1065
01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:23.720
It was in orgument I don't remember
exactly where. But he said he

1066
01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:26.199
had to. He said he wished
when he took it. He said he

1067
01:20:26.319 --> 01:20:29.800
left it at the department. But
he said that he thought, he said,

1068
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:33.520
Peter burn told him that he thought
it was real. It was good

1069
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:38.399
size too. I think it was
like seventeen inches, I think, he

1070
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:42.399
said. But he says the depth
of it, he says in the woods,

1071
01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:45.319
and he says, somebody the fake
and he says of the impact.

1072
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:49.479
He said, the depth of it
and the stride, and he said the

1073
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:54.079
four toes. He said, why
would something going to take a track?

1074
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:59.199
Why wouldn't Why would somebody make poortolls? So he cast it in. Yeah,

1075
01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:01.439
but there's stuff around here. I
go on and on with a few

1076
01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:05.520
reports. They're not every day,
of course, but yeah, they're around

1077
01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:10.359
here, some people aware of it. Most of are not ones that are

1078
01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:14.720
really don't hi, Oh sorry,
go ahead. The ones are really big

1079
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:18.479
ridiculous are the ones that the hunters
that don't ever see any evidence. They

1080
01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:21.960
probably overlook a lot of them and
don't even know it, but I them.

1081
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:26.720
But it's interesting. In the other
clip of the coin there too.

1082
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:29.680
Most of the reports that come in
from what I hear, are from hunters,

1083
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.399
but the hunters that make the reports
are in the minority because not everybody

1084
01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:39.760
goes out and sees something like this. So interesting, Ronn. Your files

1085
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:45.159
must be just amazing, the things
that you've the reports you've taken over the

1086
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:51.479
years. It must be an incredible
collection. Oh gosh, I from all

1087
01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:58.960
over. I'm from here to Florida. The foul monsters stuff. I theyged

1088
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:02.600
multiple drifts down there, actually moved
there, stayed there for two months.

1089
01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:06.399
On one of them, that's the
only way get anybody to talk to me

1090
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:11.079
and get a small town like that, and I ain't nobody going to talk

1091
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:15.920
to some crazy California coming out looking
for monsters. I had to move out

1092
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:19.680
there, and after a couple of
weeks they sure changed around. I had

1093
01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:27.159
people knocking at my door and everybody
had their fout monster explanation that had lived

1094
01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:30.680
there all their life. I don't
think any of them are right, but

1095
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:33.800
it was fun, and they didn't
want to meet in town either. They

1096
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:38.760
didn't want to be seen with no
monster hunter that make an agreement meet him

1097
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:43.000
a textra can or at their farm
or something. Yeah, I've got off.

1098
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:48.119
I got some stories there. They
are interesting. That'd be another hour

1099
01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:51.920
or two. Did you ever get
any reports from Iowa. I'm personally from

1100
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:57.520
Iowa. I'm just curious. No, I when I get reports, I

1101
01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:02.359
don't I like far my own my
personal, my own reports, and I

1102
01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:06.279
can rely on them for sure.
But I think a lot of people are

1103
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:10.239
telling the truth, but that's them. I like my own stuff, but

1104
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:16.199
I know I never an I've spent
some time in Montana, Idaho and Oregon,

1105
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:26.119
Washington and and Arkansas and Louisiana,
and Florida. So Louisiana is fascinating

1106
01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:33.760
on a swamp monster just another notch, another level going up, and no

1107
01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:40.119
self respecting big foot hunter it's going
to admit to or say anything incredible about

1108
01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:44.960
that. I've talked to him and
they've done their investigations. They all think

1109
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:48.760
it's a hoax, and I don't
think, oh really, I'm done.

1110
01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:55.079
No, I don't think it's hoaxed
all. No, I've got a lot

1111
01:23:55.119 --> 01:24:00.600
of stuff on it. Nobody can
prove anything, but that's an that'd be

1112
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.399
another hour or two talking about that. Have a feeling. We really thought

1113
01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:08.800
we might be talking, hopefully more
than once. That's up to you,

1114
01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:11.960
of course, But oh, I
don't run at all. I'm going to

1115
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.520
start talking. I haven't talked for
most of life. I only did a

1116
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.359
few radio shows. And the fact
two of them that I did was because

1117
01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:21.920
you know who MK Davis is.
Yes, I do. I've talked to

1118
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:28.159
MK before. Yeah. Yeah,
he's a good guy. Yes, for

1119
01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:30.960
a long time. And it's an
excellent researcher. And what he does for

1120
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:36.760
that is those analyzing those films and
stuff is just great. But I don't

1121
01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:40.840
agree with him on everything either.
But we always got along. I like

1122
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:45.119
him, but we fifteen years at
least or whatever, never agreed on this,

1123
01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:48.439
honey Alan swamp monster. There's something
there. I don't see any evidence

1124
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:56.520
and whatever. And he come out
with a fifteen minute video what about eight

1125
01:24:56.680 --> 01:25:00.960
years ago, whatever it was,
and claiming that it was Hope just counting

1126
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:04.439
on the swat because he had found
that foot back in there. Somebody had

1127
01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:12.560
that with a contraption on it to
take prince. That was good, got

1128
01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:15.680
the investigation left, and then that
boy that was awful quick. That was

1129
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:20.720
quick. So somebody picked some tracks
and he and I know the family because

1130
01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:26.920
of many years ago. I went
back and then the mother of Dana Haller

1131
01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:30.359
killed. They're great people and there's
no way to lying. I spent some

1132
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:35.119
time down there, camped out on
Pearl River and got to the interviewed people

1133
01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:40.560
and the biologists down there and just
went through that stuff. And the people

1134
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:45.279
are not making anything on And that's
my opinion that I and on Harlan Ford

1135
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:49.680
deciding the way it was the history
of it there and those tracks, and

1136
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:56.800
I checked into his background pretty good
and honest fellow him and Billy Mills that

1137
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.520
he had with him that day when
he's seen that, and he didn't get

1138
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:02.079
the track. The day that he
had they had were hunting and said,

1139
01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:08.199
they've seen this thing. It wasn't
till twelve or thirteen years later, sixty

1140
01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:11.640
three you've seen it. I think
it was seventy two that he got tracks.

1141
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:14.880
Why did he wait freaking twelve years
or whatever? They it was that

1142
01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:17.960
before he could come up with tracks
that I just got to run those across

1143
01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:23.359
those again and I know they're just
so anyway, when that happened, I

1144
01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:27.600
called him. I felt for the
family because they had there event through a

1145
01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:30.680
lot. He told their liars and
hoachers and all that stuff. They went

1146
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:34.039
through a lot of roughs up there
for a while on a couple occasions and

1147
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:38.760
Dana and I've always been friends with
her ever since a minute down there and

1148
01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:44.000
the people, but which is an
interesting story, get into some details maybe

1149
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:49.680
sometime. But the MK I called
him, and I answer answer the mks,

1150
01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:56.039
and that's what he found. And
this not as catchman if. I

1151
01:26:56.359 --> 01:27:00.199
asked him if he would go on
the radio and debated, and he said,

1152
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:03.560
yeah, I don't know that it's
going to change anything. I just

1153
01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:08.039
wanted to help the family on the
shop I don't know, but anyway,

1154
01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:12.119
he did it and it went for
an hour. It was on Scott Marlow's

1155
01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:15.239
radio show to Buy Elisa in Florida. And he didn't believe any of that

1156
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:19.439
stuff either, the three toad stuff. They think it's nonsense, which I

1157
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:25.039
can understand, but in a way, but of course that I anyway,

1158
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:28.119
so were waiting for an now and
they said it was the best radio show

1159
01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.119
they ever had. They want to
schedule another one, so we did.

1160
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:35.760
We did two shows radio shows,
and mka is still I still don't see

1161
01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:42.680
any of it in seever. Well, a few years after that he let

1162
01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:49.199
me know he was down there unannounced, and he because he had to take

1163
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:53.359
I think it was big in his
mom at the hospital in Orleans, so

1164
01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:57.600
he had some time, so he
went down there. He ran across some

1165
01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:03.359
tracks and they were like the Harland
Ford tracks that he had said earlier the

1166
01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:09.359
years before that they it was all
fake. Now he's looking at him and

1167
01:28:09.439 --> 01:28:13.880
there's a series of him and it
was steavy and it had to be fresh

1168
01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:18.279
because Sanity four there was a rain
and there was spright, a light rain,

1169
01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:23.600
and there's rain sprinkle all around except
the inside these tracks that were in

1170
01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:26.600
the clay, there was no rain
in there, that were dry and airs

1171
01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:30.760
where it was walking, and he
pursued it or whatever. And I think

1172
01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:34.560
that's when there was a sapling or
whatever that was broke off and it was

1173
01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:42.439
dry and placed in the pathway.
This is forbidden Terry. Don't pursuit forbidden

1174
01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:45.199
area. Don't pursue it. That's
when he turned around and went out.

1175
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:50.000
So I got that, I got. I got him telling me about it.

1176
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:54.479
It's all written out, and he
sent me a picture of the tract.

1177
01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:03.680
Wow, that is incredible. Be
too quick to judge the funny exactly.

1178
01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:10.039
Yeah. My good friend Alex Pettakoff
just did a documentary about the Honey

1179
01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:13.640
Island swamp monsters. That's on YouTube. Check it out. I'll send you

1180
01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:15.439
a length. He's a good guy. He's a great bigfoot researcher. Him

1181
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:21.039
and te Hieronymous and Jonathan easily the
newer guys coming up. They're no kills.

1182
01:29:21.079 --> 01:29:25.920
They're good dudes. They respect the
environment, this respect the creature.

1183
01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:29.479
They go all over, so good
dudes. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't

1184
01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:34.560
want to shoot something like this.
Yeah, nobody had maybe been around for

1185
01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:39.640
millions of years or something. Maybe
they're a lot less in population, and

1186
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:44.000
I why, I don't even know
what they are. One they only want

1187
01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:45.840
to shoot. What people even think
about money? The same a lot.

1188
01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:50.880
I guess. No, I don't
want that going on. I'm really skiddyes

1189
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.239
about that, especially after brought a
guy in that thought it was okay,

1190
01:29:56.800 --> 01:30:01.960
I can understand Ronnie and out,
sorry question for you. Have you ever

1191
01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:09.479
brought an audio recorder into that area? Oh it was dumb. I still

1192
01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:13.039
kicked myself and the asked for that. I'd been right up there with ron

1193
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:17.720
Moriet. You'd be passed some degree. I would think it sounded like you'd

1194
01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:21.399
be. Yeah, you'd be right
up there. Man, it's intense.

1195
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:26.079
These things weren't talking. He's got
it looks like he's got a language going

1196
01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:29.640
on. I didn't have that.
These things were just pitched, but they

1197
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:32.239
but they were allowed and they were
clear. Man, it was so loud.

1198
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:36.760
It's just and I know better,
I know to do it when I

1199
01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:42.039
have some kind of recorder on you. But I didn't care. This might

1200
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:46.000
sound unbelievable or stupid, but it
is stupid, but I didn't care.

1201
01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:51.000
I'm never been out to prove these
of these things. Never figured that much

1202
01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:55.800
chance to anyway doing that, But
I I never was really out to prove

1203
01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:58.880
it, and when things were happening, I didn't care. I didn't care

1204
01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:02.000
about it. I didn't I ever
cared about the limelighter or any of that.

1205
01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:04.800
And I would have been a radio
shows a long time though, I

1206
01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:08.680
don't care and just not have to
prove anything, and I didn't. And

1207
01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:12.359
now, of course I didn't know
it was going to be that intense either,

1208
01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:15.880
So if I'd had any idea it
was going to I was just supposed

1209
01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:20.600
to be ready. And I've been
through something like that before, so I

1210
01:31:20.640 --> 01:31:24.640
should know better. There was no
excuse not to be able to document that,

1211
01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:28.880
but I did on two times on
top of it, the major stuff,

1212
01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:32.600
and so I kicked myself in the
button. And it wasn't just for

1213
01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:36.520
me. I realized later on that, my god, this isn't just about

1214
01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:42.520
me. This is about the way
who's introduced me to nobody believe me.

1215
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:45.079
He wanted to be able to prove
this to somebody believing me. I don't

1216
01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.479
give a ship and head. I
should have been there for him, and

1217
01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:53.119
then I and not only that,
I get to thinking about these researchers and

1218
01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:58.319
stuff that they dedicate their lives and
a lot of there's some dangerous situations out

1219
01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:01.079
there that could tell you that's some
of that stuff. And they really put

1220
01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:03.760
it there, all in here,
and they've been in for some of them

1221
01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:08.119
all their life, and they're getting
something and they got thinking about that,

1222
01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:11.760
and God, I let them down
too. So I do it and feel

1223
01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:15.039
it very good about myself. I
would say, I want put yourself down.

1224
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:18.399
You've done some amazing things. I
would say, promise me, next

1225
01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:23.760
time you go out there, you'll
have an audio recorder and it'll be rolling

1226
01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:27.199
the second I'll get out of the
car. That's what I That's what I

1227
01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:30.640
would say. But yeah, yeah, I need to do that. I

1228
01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:33.439
just got to. If I can
get it back to the way it was

1229
01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:36.720
the way when I left. It
might might not get a line Mike,

1230
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:43.439
get some whoop tees and whoops whoop
away after they do it, get some

1231
01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:45.880
of that stuff, but it won't
be on the scale of what they held.

1232
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:48.680
They were when they acting like they
want to kill you. Holy shit,

1233
01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:53.960
I've even thought about that. My
God, I miss that. I

1234
01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:58.560
feel so bad. I've entertained,
but not very long. I've entertained the

1235
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:00.680
idea of going back and make that
sound, I get pissing them off again,

1236
01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:05.800
and I no, I just can't
do that special left they started trusting

1237
01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:10.600
me, and not only that a
third time might be a sense they might

1238
01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:13.399
get to think, Yeah, this
fella ain't get the message. We're gonna

1239
01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:15.880
have to get serious. That's all
I need. No, I ain't gonna

1240
01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:21.039
do that again. Yeah, let's
do one last question before we wrap it

1241
01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:26.880
up, because we are going on
two hours, surprisingly because this conversation has

1242
01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:32.279
been amazing. Nie, pardon my
question. Is you mentioned earlier in the

1243
01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:38.760
interview that you were using baby human
baby cries for call blasting. Well that

1244
01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:43.479
was then, Yeah, what is
it that made you decide to use that

1245
01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:49.119
particular sound? Oh, I didn't. That was Richard Gernwell's idea and it

1246
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:54.640
was working. I've talked to a
lot of other researches, some two someone

1247
01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:58.000
to stay under the radar, and
I'm not going to mention but I and

1248
01:33:58.119 --> 01:34:00.439
they've told me, and I believe
that I know guys are freaking excellent at

1249
01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:04.079
this stuff, and they said it
doesn't work. It's called they haven't had

1250
01:34:04.119 --> 01:34:10.039
any luck in different areas, different
places, And I believe that they're not

1251
01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:13.479
making stuff up to me. I've
known them too long, and I but

1252
01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:17.119
I think there was something special about
this area. It's forty miles back in

1253
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:23.560
you don't see anybody back in there. It's rugged back in there where we

1254
01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:28.600
went. And he had been doing
this regular all every couple of years.

1255
01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:31.560
He was doing it every year every
two years, but doing it. And

1256
01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:38.800
I don't think these things back in
the area were just didn't know that much

1257
01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:44.600
about people or stuff or wasn't familiar. For some reason that area it worked

1258
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:48.279
where it doesn't work in other areas, and that stuff. It figures because

1259
01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:54.359
this type of research with these things, it's just so unpredictable. It's like

1260
01:34:54.520 --> 01:35:00.279
nothing makes any sense changes, but
which means it sounds less credible because create

1261
01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:03.720
goes. But I know they had
for some reason it worked there and I

1262
01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:12.319
didn't go. One to two thousand
and five was Richard's last expedition there.

1263
01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:17.640
That's when he was at melanoma and
cancer and he wasn't doing good. They

1264
01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:21.920
were back in there and they and
I want to tell you one thing that

1265
01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:28.199
about the ken Burns, that it
was the tall blasting. We're back in

1266
01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:33.640
there and they had who wasn't I
think Angela, Yeah, Angelo again,

1267
01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:38.439
the biologist team was there. This
is the trip back in there after I

1268
01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:45.600
was with him and they he was
there, and then Richard's son, Darwin

1269
01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:49.720
and one of his friends. Should
have been me, but I didn't want

1270
01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:56.000
to go. I got another whole
long story. I didn't get along with

1271
01:35:56.159 --> 01:36:01.119
Darwin very well. But I missed
out the best time too. But that

1272
01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:04.439
while they were back in there,
they had all the quitted. The cold

1273
01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:10.000
blasting stuff that they had was set
up special by garment. He had.

1274
01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:14.239
He was good at doing that kind
of stuff. For whatever we had worked

1275
01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:17.000
excellent. You'd take it, we'd
take it and carry a big unit.

1276
01:36:17.159 --> 01:36:21.520
We'd take it up by the on
the hillside or the mountain and man it

1277
01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:26.760
last from even here for echoing for
miles. It was Foncie just a year

1278
01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:32.359
that with those vocalizations. But they
and but anyway, on this trip they

1279
01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:36.720
got everything set up, They got
the stuff. They five hundred pounds of

1280
01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:41.239
stuff back back in there too.
Again we had to us tourists as almost

1281
01:36:41.319 --> 01:36:45.159
loss on them. But anyway,
another story. But they got it back

1282
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.920
in there, and there was a
component that wasn't there. They needed to

1283
01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:53.800
get the tall blasting and there's no
way to get and they're on foot.

1284
01:36:55.680 --> 01:37:01.479
It's forty miles back. So Darwin
was in good shape and his buddy they

1285
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:10.960
hiked forty miles to get apart in
Orleans to get that thing going. They

1286
01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:15.319
were gone for a machine about a
week. Yeah, it was a while.

1287
01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:18.039
It might have been five days or
some sorry, but it was quite

1288
01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:20.600
able. I didn't have to check
on it, but they it was a

1289
01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:25.840
long time. That's eighty miles go
to town and come back. Some really

1290
01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:28.760
interesting stuff happened on the way.
I'm not going to get into that.

1291
01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:31.840
We could talk about this fact.
We should do that tivit tribute to cut

1292
01:37:32.079 --> 01:37:38.720
Will and talk about him. Yeah, but anyway, they didn't have any

1293
01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:42.920
callble I said, nothing happened,
nothing happened at all. But as soon

1294
01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:45.279
as they got back and they put
that in there, callble I said,

1295
01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:50.640
and they had activy that night and
for two weeks straight. Every night they

1296
01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:56.279
got one of them on thermal energy
and one of them trying to reached out

1297
01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:59.680
from the bushes and took the new
in his tent, pushed the tent down

1298
01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:04.319
and help him in the tent.
That was the last thing. But Richard

1299
01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:12.760
was dying and he wanted to stay, and they were saying no. Start

1300
01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:16.079
was saying, Dad, you gotta
go. This isn't good. You're sick.

1301
01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:21.399
But he had never had activity like
this anywhere, but not even there,

1302
01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:26.359
and I didn't want to go.
He was dying. And Angelo the

1303
01:38:26.439 --> 01:38:30.399
biologist, he's a great fella,
just talked to him yesterday actually, but

1304
01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:34.760
he and it was always loyal to
the society and Richard, and he broke

1305
01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:38.600
his ankle trying to get him out
of the canyon. Richard to help get

1306
01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:42.680
him out and get him on a
horse. But because the horse has come

1307
01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:44.880
in, I guess as to what, no, I won'er which I think

1308
01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.760
had deals at time or love us
anyway that checked him that too. In

1309
01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:51.079
fact, I think they got anyone. God, it's been a while.

1310
01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:55.439
I wrote a nice tribute to him. I want have to send it to

1311
01:38:55.520 --> 01:39:00.520
you sometimes. All yeah, yeah, I explain as all that. But

1312
01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:08.000
Diangela the biology he broke his ankle, and it was that night getting out

1313
01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:11.479
of there and rugged down in the
canyon stub to go to the mountains to

1314
01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:14.880
get back to the access road.
Then it was free. But yeah,

1315
01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:16.039
there was an all of time getting
out of there, and Richard did not

1316
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:19.800
want to go. They were having
too much activity. But they went to

1317
01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:23.560
Berkeley from there at the hospital.
From there they sat him home and he

1318
01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:30.239
died at home. Oh yeah,
yeah, I can tell you all about

1319
01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:33.399
that up in there. There's there
was some fun times there. It's just

1320
01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:42.000
things that happened actually, and yeah, great stuff. But it worked back

1321
01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:45.880
in there then probablystic that's amazing.
Yeah, we've got stuff to definitely have

1322
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:50.640
you back on the future to chat
about. No problem, But Ronnie,

1323
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:55.520
thank you so much for spending a
few hours of your night chatting with me.

1324
01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:58.920
It's been so much fun. Oh, no problem. Yeah, I

1325
01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:02.079
had a good time. Do the
real quick. I'm going to go ahead

1326
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:06.199
and close this out and then I
have a few quick things for you off

1327
01:40:06.279 --> 01:40:10.439
the air to ask you. But
thanks again all for listening, and thank

1328
01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:15.560
you Ronnie. Yeah. Here at
Bigfoot Society, art goal is to provide

1329
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:20.359
a platform for those that have encountered
Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe

1330
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:26.640
and respected environment. But we need
to hear your story. If you've experienced

1331
01:40:26.680 --> 01:40:32.079
something that you just can't explain,
please send me an email at Bigfoot Society

1332
01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:36.239
at gmail dot com. Then we
can start the conversation. And I know

1333
01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:42.760
a lot of you have not shared
your encounter at all. It's been twenty

1334
01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:46.960
years and it's time that you get
this off your chest and then you can

1335
01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:50.119
get some well deserved for rest,
because I know you haven't been sleeping.

1336
01:40:51.279 --> 01:40:56.239
I understand what you're going through,
and I appreciate every one of you listening