Horrifying Bigfoot Tales of Prince of Wales Island, Alaska (Archive Episode)

0:00 Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In this episode, I open up the archives and share two different interviews about Prince of Wales Island area of southeast Alaska. If you've experienced something similar or if you have more information regarding Bigfoot in the same areas, please reach out to me immediately after this episode. You've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, please contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Also make sure you check out Patreon dot com forward slash the Bigfoot Society where you can become a member and get extra episodes every single week. And now let's get on with the show. I've got the privilege of chatting with Alex, and Alex is a retired Salvation Army pastor that served in Alaska. How are you doing tonight, Alex? Doing well yourself? Oh, I'm doing great, Just hanging out on nice Iowa night. Alex, How are you doing doing well? Just enjoying this Montana whether it's a little cold, a little bit snowy out here, but it's nice. Oh. You know, I've talked to a few from Montana, and I know we're not talking about Montana tonight, but man, there's some crazy Montana Bigfoot things happening. It's wild state. I've heard some stuff.

1:19 I've heard a couple of stories from and I've had the privilege to meet a few of the Crow and Cheyenne people and I've had a chance to chat with them about Bigfoot, and I've heard some pretty pretty crazy stories about it. But tonight, Alex, we are here to first chat about So. I met you on TikTok for a little bit of context, and you've had some interesting things happen during your time in Alaska, and also some interesting things you've heard as well, and I would love to have you share those with my listeners tonight, if you don't mind, I don't mind. Let's just get started, uh right. I went to the Style Army there. I was stationed there. I was a pastor. I would be what you would call a lay pastor, which in their rank. The Salvation Army has quasi army ranks, so like the officers are called captains or lieutenants or majors, and I, as a lay pastor, wasn't one of those, so I would have been called an envoy, so that would have been my title. But I ran the klook church from June of twenty ten to June of twenty twelve.

2:32 And the really crazy part is when I first went there, I didn't know anything about south southeast Alaska. I didn't know anything about Prince of Wales Island where Klowok is located. Klawok and Prince of Wales are about three hours by ferry south of Ketchikan. Southeast of Ketchikan, and they are about forty five minutes by plane, and the only way to get out to the island is either by a ferry boat or plane. So when I got off the boat, I met the captains who were who were leaving. They were the ones who'd been running the church the past few years, and they were leaving and moving on to Wrangle, Alaska. As soon as I got in the van, the captain, without knowing me or knowing anything, says to me.

3:25 He said, Alex, let me tell you something. He said that this is something you'll need to know. He said that the people here take bigfoot very seriously, like dead serious. He said, they'll talk to you about Bigfoot. If you make fun of bigfoot, or if you make light of it, he said, you'll offend people in the community and he said, you'll never you will have a really hard time in this community. It'll cause hard feelings. Never knew this guy, never met him, never discussed bigfoot, didn't know anything about anything. And the instant I get in the van, that's the first thing he tells me. He said that these these folks are really serious about Bigfoot here on Prince of Wales and so I just thought that was crazy right from the gate. You know, because generally, if you walk up to someone you've never met and tell them that you know Bigfoot is real and that the people in the local area take bigfoot very seriously, you might get one of two responses that well, okay, or you know something. A lot of skeptics will be derisive. They'll be nasty or negative or make sarcastic comments. And Captain Ron said very clearly, don't do that here. And he said, if they talk to you about Bigfoot, just smile, listen to what they say, and just say thank you for

4:56 letting me know, and don't don't blow it off. So that was my introduction to Bigfoot on Prince of Wales Island. I knew bigfoot was real because I had an experience with it when I was a kid. I actually saw one looking in my window was now Bino Bigfoot back in nineteen seventy eight in the River Oregon. So I knew Bigfoot was real. They didn't have to tell me about it. But Captain Ron didn't know me from Adam, didn't know anything about Bigfoot, didn't know about my history with Bigfoot. But so I learned right away that the people on Prince of Wales are the people that I interacted with were the Clinket, the Haida, and the Simschean, and there were even some you pick folks and you pick or my tribe. My father on my father's side, his mother was you picked Alaska Native. As I was going along there and doing my duties in the Salvation Army, I had people sharing reports with me and things like that. One of the things that particularly impressed me about them is I was told by one of their culture bearers. Now I don't have permission to use her name, so I won't, but she told me their stories about Bigfoot, and they believe in the Clinket tribe, at least in Klawok. I don't know about the Clinkett tribe in general, because I had very limited interactions with Clinkets from outside of Klok

6:28 that they believe that Bigfoot led their people to what is now Klawock, and that it showed them how to hunt, and that Bigfoot showed them how to live on the island. And so they actually have Bigfoot in their family history, really in their clan history. One of the tribes in particular, especially the one one this woman is with. If I tried to pronounce her tribal name, I would completely slaughter it. So I'm really not going to try to, but suffice it to say that Bigfoot is a part of that tribe, and it's in the name of their tribe, their particular tribe or tribe in the Clinkett nation, And so I thought that was very interesting. I really didn't meet anybody in Klawok or Prince of Wales who hadn't either had a sighting directly or knew someone in their immediate family who had a sighting. And I talked to many different people out there in the Twinkets. Now on Klawok, there's a bit of a thing because a lot of people think that this Kushtaka is a Bigfoot. Now from what I was told by a tribal elder from Saxman, which is in Ketchikan. He said that the Kushtaka is like a is like the skin walker. It's an evil spirit, a shape shifter.

8:03 And in Clinkett Kushtaka means land otter man, and so it's it's very interesting. But according to Captain Joe and some of the elders from when we had celebration in Klok one year, they had a gathering of the other Clinkets from around southeast Alaska and they all came and they were saying that the tribal elders from several of the different areas like in you know, Juno and some of the other cities around in southeast Alaska like Sitka and some of the other places, they said the Kushtaka is not a bigfoot. They said it's an evil spirit or a spirit, and it can be benevolent or harmful depending on its feelings at the time. But they said it's not biological. It's never been human, and it doesn't have older and it doesn't reproduce, and it doesn't you know, propagate or do anything that the bigfoot do. And so anyway, now the folks in Khawak do call bigfoot kushtaka and they they believe that khushtaka is bigfoot. But I know in, I know in, like I said, meeting with the other tribal elders, they felt differently about it.

9:28 So I'll just say that it is what it is, but that that was the understanding that I had from different folks. The funny thing though about this Kushtaka, though, was is this tribal elder from Saxonon told me that they're always seen with orbs and spiritual phenomenon and they are the things that people see that travel interer dimensionally. And he said that they can appear as bigfoot, they can take on form of bigfoot, but he said they're not bigfoots. And he said that he feels and this was his opinion that a lot of the people who see like quote unquote UFOs or orbs or other spiritual bigfoot are actually seeing a shape shifter. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. I'm not a clinket. I don't speak for them. I can only tell you what their tribal holders told me. Alex. I've got a quick question for you that that is extremely fascinating, And I was not expecting any of that at all. When you said spiritual phenomenon, right, or phenomena, you said orbs and spiritual phenomena, what else would fall into that category. One person related to me as sighting of this koushtaka in Ketchikan,

11:01 and they said that it hit You've seen the movie Predator, right, sure, how the Predator goes invisible? They said, it did that really acoustica acushta kav And they said that it looked like like a part odd part man, is what they said that. They said it shifted into like a fish and jumped into the water like a salmon, like a really large salmon and jumped into the water. But they said that it had orbs floating around it, and it said that they the orbs were glowing different colors. And I think that actually, and I'm not saying all UFO phenomenon, but I think some of the UFO phenomenon associated with bigfoot are actually the spiritual orbs that these shape shifters are able to manifest. And my understanding is they can actually travel in between dimensions, is what they tell me. So I think that when people see a bigfoot that's traveling interdimensionally, I don't think that's a big foot, And it's not only them that say that. I've talked to Navajos Zuni's Hopies Sue, I've talked to Crow, I've talked to Cheyenne, I've talked to Utes. I know as a Yupik person, we have a legend of

12:33 the Amakuk, which is the same type of creature. It's also associated with spiritual phenomenon like orbs appearing and disappearing, like you would follow the footprints of it, for example, and it would go in a straight line, and it would travel for so long, and then it would just stop and it has nowhere to go. Have you ever been in talked to any individuals by the u Inta basein part of Utah? I have not, to my knowledge, No, I have not in that's the Skinwalker Ranch. So just a random thing I wanted to throw in there, just in case. But it's just very interesting to me about all these different things. But like the actual bigfoot in Prince of Wales are different here than I think in the lower forty eight because they now I've heard of bigfoot doing this in other places, but I've never actually seen it personally in Klawok and in Heidelberg and Casan and Thorne Bay and Whale Pass and Kaufman Cove and some of the other cities on Prince of Wales. They've actually been witnessed by locals the Bigfoot, the real Bigfoot, not the Kooshtaka, the actual, honest to god Sasquatch. They've been

14:07 observed pulling trees up by the roots out of the ground that are like alive, pulling them out of the ground and then turning them upside down and shoving them like three to four feet into the ground with the roots facing up toward the sky. And the Plinket elders told me they do that to mark their territory and that if you see that, you know that's their territory and you're supposed to leave and not go around there, because they said if you do, they'll they'll get really aggressive with you. They'll like throw rocks, they'll throw sticks. But if you don't leave, then there's actually been reports of them like grabbing a hold of people and throwing them against trees and hurting them and stuff like that. Incredible reports from people who were like police officers, former military, you know, people who aren't known in the community to be liars, hoaxers, or storytellers. They don't drugs or alcohol. They're not mentally incapacitated or ill. They're just people who saw something really crazy that they couldn't explain. How many toes do the Bigfoot have on each foot in that area? Do you know? The track I saw had five? Okay?

15:26 Do you know if there's any is it talked about in that area of certain individuals. I've heard of foes I've heard. I've heard of the four toed Bigfoot. Okay, so you know what I do. I also heard they were reddish in color, and they were smaller than the regular Bigfoot, and they were like way more aggressive is what I was Alex, this is world, this is wild. Yeah, they are hyper, hyper aggressive. They are actually called cannibal. If they catch you in the forest, they will kill you and eat you. And a lot of natives believe that that particular tribe of Bigfoot are responsible for people disappearing in like national forests and stuff like that in Alaska. And it's just it's really really interesting stuff. And by it's really funny because science is always saying there's no evidence for Bigfoot and things like that, and yet you have native tribes who I've personally interacted with uh in Canada, like the Ojibwas and others, and you would you know, some of the other First Nations and in Canada who are geographically separated from you know, these other natives and like the south southwest of the US, like

16:59 in UH, the Navajo and like Arizona and New Mexico and places like that. And yet they have the same legends of the same creatures, and they have them right alongside eagle bear, you know, horse beaver, you know, scorpion snake, and you know, they're actually reporting on creatures that they see in real life. The two natives. Bigfoot is as real as you and I. And you know, they're always they're always like they always think it's funny, the natives I've talked to, because I'll talk to them about Bigfoot and they're like, oh, the white man believes in that now, huh. You know, it's like we've been knowing about that for years old news to us. Yeah, they're like, these white scientists come around here looking for Bigfoot and we tell them they're stupid. And I'm like, okay, why And they said, because if Bigfoot wants to find you. He'll find you. You don't find Bigfoot, he finds you, you know, and stuff like that. I know that the Plank has told their kids to stay out of the forest and rust they're together, and to be careful when they're walking in the woods, to use the buddy system, and to make sure that they're always watching the area that they live in, especially if those

18:30 those weird red reddish colored hair colored sasquatch are running around. So Alex, the crazy thing is is that and I have to be really careful about what I say. But I talked to a lot of people, and all the things you said about those those four toad big I've heard from at least one other person in another state, not Alaska. And it's not just like you are absolutely right, because I've heard this same almost details told that they happen in even down to pulling up the tree by the roots and putting it upside down. And that's all I can say right now. It's just incredible how you your story had so many similarities. Do you think those that four Toad tribe is in different states or just in the Pacific Northwest or I think they emigrated across the lamp bearing straight land bridge, the same as the other bigfoots.

19:32 Sure, I'm almost wondering, based on the descriptions that people have given me, if maybe they're not some throwback to the orangutan or something. Some of the people I've heard described them in a way that almost makes them sound like orangutans. And it's also interesting because a lot of people they think orangutans are these, you know, calm and peaceful apes, and yet orangutans will grab a hold of, you know, other animals, ripped them apart and eat them, you know, even their own young. So you know, that's that's just the thing is that I've heard a lot of bad reports and from what I understand this that red hair tribe, I know, there was some tribe. I was talking to a guy who was Hoopa and he said, there's o mah Oma or Oma and he said that means the boss of the woods, like the boss, the king of the woods, the owner of the woods, the leader of the woods or whatever. He said, the Omahs are different than those guys. And he said that the Oma will leave you alone if you leave them alone. The other guys the foretoes, and he had a name for them, but I do not. I could not pronounce that. I'm very sorry. I guess my linguistic skills are a little weird. But he pronounced it, and my ear and my mouth just

21:03 could not. My brain and my mouth could not coordinate to form the words. No problem. If any listeners know of that name, feel free to send me an email at Big for Society at gmail dot com. So much stuff I learned in Klook. And then there's my own sighting in Klok. I didn't actually have a personal sighting because I was distracted during the event that happened. If you want, I'll get into my sighting real quick and other stuff after. If you like it or not, sure, Okay. My brother Morgan and my sister Tara. My brother Morgan passed away three years ago.

21:47 I really wish that he was still alive, because he could tell you, like what he saw and some of the stuff he observed that I didn't observe during the event. But what happened was we were going up Big Sall Road, Big Salt Lake Road in that's a road that leads from from Klok to Thorne Bay or to Coffman Cove. If you go right, you go to Thorn Bay. If you go left, you go to Kaufman Cove. So I turned left on Prince of Wales Island Road and we were heading towards Kaufman Cove, which is where we were kind of go and visit. It's really pretty out there. There's a pebble beach and it's really nice, and I wanted to take my brother and sister up there and show it to him.

22:33 And so anyway, we get about a quarter of a mile half a mile or so up up the road Prince of Wales Island Road, and my brother's diabetic, so he's like, Alex, can you stop. I got to use the restroom. And so I'm looking for a place to pull off, and I see what it looks like. It was either like an old logging road or something. I'm not sure, but it was like it looked like at one time it had been a logging road that it hadn't been used in a while. And so we pulled off into there and he gets out and he's urinating, and then he comes back around the corner and he goes, hey, Alex, come here, and I'm like, what, man, it's cold. You know, it's April. It's cold. There's snow on the ground. I don't want to get out, you know, but he's like, come here, you need to look at this. And so I'm like okay, and I get out and he calls me over. I walk over to him and in a snow bank there were three tracks. And the tracks were about i'd say, roughly about five feet apart, and they were in a straight line, which is weird, you know, because when people walk, they walk, you know, side by side with their feet, you know what I mean. These looked like somebody who was balancing on a pyrope or something. It was weird. But there was tracks, and they were in the snow. The ground is hard, so it didn't leave

24:07 like it did leave an impression, but it didn't leave like like a deep impression. The tracks were about I have. I wear a size fourteen triple le and these were a couple inches longer than mine, so i'd say about a sixteen or seventeen, and it's feet were whiter than mine. Somebody asked me about how big I thought it was, and I'll tell you why. I am not a math person. Okay, math is actually my worst subject. So I say, well, I think they were about three or four inches. When I told Morgan that, he was like, you idiot, And I was like, he was like, those things were like six seven inches apart, and they were sub six seven inches wide. It's like they're not three to four inches, idiot, you know. And he was bestin at me. So that's that's one of the reasons why I was glad he was there because I have I have a real problem with like looking at something and reckoning how big it is, you know, and he doesn't. Morgan is very mathematical. He you know, was very logical and factual, and so he guess the shoe was a sixteen or a seven. It would have been if it were wearing shoes, the foot would have been like a sixteen or a seventeen. And it was wider than my triple lead. And so we're looking at it and we're like, Morgan had pictures of it, but

25:37 unfortunately when he passed away, the pictures were lost and I don't have any photos loved of them. But the other part was we got chased out before we could do any measurement or anything because he was like, he told me, he said, why don't you do that big foot screen that you do, and so I did it, and I'm not going to do it right now because it would like blow our audio out. But it's it's just a basic screen. I did that, and then about twenty thirty in ten twenty thirty, I don't know, seconds later, something grabs a hold of a big old tree and starts taking that sucker back and forth. It was whipping it back and forth. And that was a good sized tree. Whatever was grabbing a hold of that tree, it was monstrously strong, monstrously strong.

26:33 And then like we start hearing like you know, branches breaking and stuff like that. And then off to my right i'd say about ten or twenty feet away, I hear a woha and then then again it goes real loud, and just like that scared the living piss out of me. And whatever vocalization that thing was doing, I could feel it in my body. It resonated in my body, you know what I mean. And it was like, I was like, we need to get the hell out of here now, and then so we all jump in the van, get out, feel out of there, and I head straight back to the church. I'm done.

27:29 You know. I saw a bigfoot when I was a kid, you know, it'd be interesting to see another one. But let's not say we did. Right. But when we get back, Morgan tells me he actually saw one peeking its head out from behind a tree. He said it was it had it had a very large head, he said it had. It was black. The skin on the face was black, and the hair was black, and it had like brownish eyes. And he said he saw it for about a second or two when it popped back behind the tree. And he said it was probably about seven to eight feet off the ground where the head was. And that's pretty much the experience we had with that. Now, I went back and I talked to one of the Clinkett elders. His name is al Jackson, and I actually do have permission to use his name on Prince of Wales. They call him mister Bigfoot. Whenever anybody in any of the tribes has a big foot sighting, they go and tell Al Jackson about it. Anyway, he was featured on the show Monsters and Mysteries in Alaska.

28:40 They actually interviewed him for that. That was I don't remember what year that was. It was twenty eleven, twenty twelve, twenty ten. I can't remember, But anyway, he was on that show and they interviewed him and he took him up there up on Klawok Mountain where those upside down trees aren't and he showed the guy and the guy actually took pictures of him and videoed him. And the thing that's weird about those trees on Klook there's no rope marks, chain marks, nothing, and that's that's not something that's you know, like a flood or something happened and you know, or a windstorm and that just happened, because there's actually out in that area. There's a bunch of them, and you know they're in kind of weird places. But like if you see those and you're out in the forest in in uh near near Klook Mountain, if you see those are around Klook or Heidelberg, if you see those trees, you're supposed to leave the area and not going near there. You're not supposed to hunt there, you're not supposed to fish there, and you're not to go around there. And the elders also said that if you see a bigfoot out there, they said, don't look them in the face because they take it like you're trying to challenge them and they said,

30:11 don't look in in the eye, look down to your right or your left, and they said just back away slowly. And there's just so many stories I heard about Bigfoot. It's just crazy. I mean, I never met a people who were so open to share their culture and their stories and their traditions with an outsider to their tribe. Because they would just tell you stuff. I mean, and they didn't like try to hide it or you know, it wasn't they had stories that they wouldn't tell people obviously, but like if it was about Bigfoot or about their clans or their totems or you know, the stuff they believe in spiritually, they tell you all about it.

31:03 You know. We we had a lady who was a culture bearer who was a good friend of my wife and I. We used to go over there and listen to her tell tales about their creation stories. And it's kind of funny because their stories are very similar to other tribal stories I've heard about creation. Do those stories have anything to do with Bigfoot? Absolutely? Really? Mm hm wow, He's one of the big Feet, one of the big people in their in their belief system. I don't want to say mythology, because sure, that's actually real. They actually talk about stuff that they really observe about in nature. Now, you know, people will take it or believe it or disbelieve it. To a skeptic, everything's a dude in the suit, or you know, a misidentified black bear or a brown bear or something like that, because to a skeptic, no amount of evidence other than a physical body. Well, even if you brought them a physical body, they might not accept it as evidence. You know, they might say, oh, people just made that up. That's stupid. To a person who really doesn't want to hear the subject, there's nothing you can say to convince them that, you know, to to a skeptic, everything's a dude in the suit. And I told a skeptic one time. I told him,

32:34 I said, so, if everybody's a dude in the suit, you're telling me that these there's some society of hoaxers who've been jumping out on Native Americans since time immemorial. You're in North America, Alaska, China, Russia, Asia, you know, Australia. You know, there's a society of hoaxers around the world who are wearing suits and jumping out in monkey suits and scaring people for the last thousand, two thousand and three thousand hour many years. You know what I mean. I said, either that's what you're saying it has to be, or there is actually a real living creature that's out there right now today we're roaming the forests of different countries around the world and people are seeing it and either they're all liars and poaxers, or it's true and there's something to it. Now, do I believe every single bigfoot story?

33:39 No, I do not. But you can usually tell if somebody has really had a big foot sighting because they have tells, you know what I mean. One of the things that I watch people is their eyes. People who've really seen something, you can see it their eyes, You know what I mean. What is it that's nice to see in their eyes? Trauma? Yep, somebody who's really seen a bigfoot up close and personal. Not you know, somebody who's seen it like, you know, seventy five one hundred yards away and they're looking at it through a scope or a pair of binoculars or something. I'm talking about like somebody like me, as a kid who saw an albino bigfoot looking in his window and was three to four feet from it. You know, But like I said to a skeptic, everything's of e in the suit or a bear. You mentioned how you've seen the look of trauma in someone who's actually seen a Bigfoot up close. Is that a look that you would see often in that flook area people have had an upfis in personal experience? Yes, yeah, absolutely, It changes you.

35:05 It also shreds your brain. Imagine as a seven year old kid looking out your window and seeing something looking in at you that science, religion, and all the other people out there say doesn't exist. In one fell swoop, your brain now questions everything because if Bigfoot exists, nothing is off the table. Because I've heard as a kid growing up, I'd heard stories about bigfoot. But I put that in the same place as unicorns, trolls, elves, you know, rainbow right stuff, you know that kind of stuff.

35:54 Okay, that's where I put bigfoot. But when you look out your window and you see one of those centers looking in at you, you're done, and that changes you. Literally. They actually have done brain scans on people who've passed polygraphs and stuff for Bigfoot, and they have a different response in their brain to processing information than people who have not seen one, and they have a strong trauma response when they talk about it, and that is something you can't fake. I mean people, if somebody tells me they've seen a bigfoot, I just look them in the eye, and I do if they're smiling, if they're laughing, you know, if they're just like, you know, not taking it seriously. I don't listen to anything they say.

36:58 I saw a guy who was a a Navy seal. I kid you, not a guy I met who was a Navy seal. Okay, he had his D two fourteens, his military ID. All of that. He told me. He said, I was a Navy seal, and he said, seeing an fing bigfoot change my life forever, he said, because now, he said, I used to go in the forest all the time. I used to hunt fishpike. I can't do that anymore, he said, because that scared me so bad, he said. He said I was in Vietnam. He said, I faced every type of human and animal. You can show me. He said, I fought bears, I fought people. He said, I fought wolves, tigers, lions, all kinds of stuff.

37:46 And he said, there's nothing that scared me like that Bigfoot And for a guy who was a Navy seal to say something like that, that's telling you something about Bigfoot. Did you mention where he had seen that bigfoot area? Yeah, near Pike's Peak in Colorado. The first thing is, you know you in that Klowok area everyone has either seen or knows someone that has seen Bigfoot. Is there are there stories that are always passed around in that area as like the ultimate yeah in counter slash story like this story proves that they're out there. Anything that the story you kept hearing over and over and over again referred to, there was one and it was told to me. I actually Al Jackson introduced me to two ten people. Again he's mister Bigfoot.

38:46 He's a clinket elder, and he introduced me to these guys and they all told the same story that they had a bigfoot walk out. There was a cedar mill on the outskirts of Klok where they processed cedar wood and stuff like that, and they had a bigfoot walk right through the middle of the factory or the sawmill, excuse me, and it was howling, letting out this horrible screech. It scared them so bad they wouldn't go back there again to work for like a month. And these these were people in the community who were well known in the community as honest, god fearing people who are not hoaxers, not pranksters, not liars, not alcoholics or drug addicts, don't have mental illness. They're just people who saw something really crazy they couldn't explain, and I believed them. They all saw it and they heard it walking through the middle of their their work site. That almost sounds like a a portlock type situation, except for there wasn't a massive amount of people being killed, but they did leave the area and not return. That's really really interesting.

40:17 Well, and plus the Haida now in Heideberg, they actually have a name for their bigfoot. They call it dog eat means like wild man or something like that. And they've had some stories like bigfoot like you know, throwing rockster people's windows or their doors, stuff like that living up there. And this is a totally random question. Did you have any thoughts about missing four and one or run into any situations regarding that. They've had children, adults and people go missing in the forests that were not found. They do have black bear on the island. They're not. They probably get up to about two three hundred pounds, but the average is about one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds, and they're I mean, if you run into one, obviously you know it would cause damage. But you know, it's just it's just weird because when you have bear kills, you know, you find body

41:50 parts, you know, you find where the bear dragged them off, you see blood marks, stuff like that. These are people who disappeared and are never seen again, not hiding her hair, not clothing. They may have been carrying rifles or fishing equipment. It's all gone and nobody ever finds it. Would you ever talk to hear from people that would run into large animals that would have their necks broken, almost twisted and broken. I've gotten reports of that from Montana, where like even creatures like grizzlies would have their necks broken. They'd stumble upon animals like that in klock when the big Foot's kill something, or on Prince of Wales, they eat it. So you don't find animals usually that are just preyed upon and not eating. So I would say that they have found animals who were killed like one. It had its skull crushed in and the way it was done, it doesn't make sense that it would be a bear, because if a bear did it, you'd have, you know, claw marks and stuff like that. What it looked like is somebody took like a hammer and hit the the deer in the head,

43:22 just like one hit. And you know who could run down the deer and hit it in the head of a hammer. I don't know, just saying that's that's that's intense. That is intense. How long ago again, was it that you were in that Kloak region ten June twenty ten to June twenty twelve. I still hear stories about stuff going on out there. I was going to ask you, so there's still events unfolding in that area. All wow, that place is a paradise for bigfoot manu. It's got it's got fish. One part of Klowok has a salt lake, the other part has a freshwater lake. And you have like crabs, you have like shrimp, you have like seals, you have like different fish, you have all kinds.

44:24 I mean, it's it's actually a temperate rainforest is what Colwak is classified as. And Uh and Prince of Wales, and so you have like likeen, you have like all kinds of fruit. They have like gooseberries, salmon berries, boison berries, blueberries. They've got all kinds of berries around there. It's literally like the animals they're gonna starve. Sounds like a perturb environment. Yep. So they've said that. I know one guy he reported the sighting where he said he saw bigfoot take a rock and there was a seal swimming in the water, and the bigfoot beaned it in the head and then slam out, grabbed it, threw it over its shoulders, slam back to shore, and walked off into the forest with it. That's why I like when people tell me bigfoot throw rocks at him. I know for a fact the bigfoot aren't aiming at them directly. They're just trying to scare you and drive you out of their area. They will throw it at you if you don't like you don't get the hint and leave, you know what I mean.

45:34 But like they've had reports of them doing that to deer to you know, I've heard an anchorage. I heard reports of them doing it the moose. I actually heard of a big foot running down a moose in Anchorage before us, there was a couple of hunters out there. You're not actually supposed to carry firearms and Denali Park, but you know, a lot of people disregard that because there's frigging huge grizzly bears out there, and if you encounter one, they're not afraid of people at all, and if they're hungry, they'll eat the crap out of you. So a lot of people do carry rifles out there and whatnot. But anyway, they saw a bigfoot run down a moose, grab it and like break its snack and drop it like a bad habit. And they said it literally picked the moose up, and this is a huge moose. They said it was probably seven foot from the top of the head down and they said that thing threw it over his shoulder and walked off. They said the big foot was about nine feet tall, and they said it was built like a brick shite house, is what the guy said. He said that that thing was frigging massive, and he said it easily picked it up, through it over a shoulder and walked away. The strength of a bigfoot is unfreaking real. That's why when I hear people saying they'll shoot one. I talked to one of the elders about that. I

47:08 say, is anybody ever shot one? He goes, hell, no, what do you think we're stupid? We're not going to shoot them. They live in families out there. If you see one bigfoot, there's two or three others surrounding you. If you shoot one, the others will come in and kill you. So that's why I laugh when I hear people saying they're going to shoot a big foot. It's like, you better hope it's alone. You can. You can try to shoot a big foot, but it doesn't sound like you'll be getting away alive potentially. Did you ever have any reports of people hearing a lot of vocalizations in that area? Oh? Yeah, I heard it myself. Oh really, what kind of things did you hear? Well? I heard I've heard whoops, you know, like that, and there's nothing in Kolok on Prince Wales that makes that kind of noise.

48:15 I've heard that, I've heard I've heard growls. Obviously that thing I heard bigger one who like that at me? I heard that. I also heard one that kind of reminded me of that Bsie how think er Thunker put it on his site. I can't even imitate it. It's it's like real, real weird and high pitched, and it's just like it sounds really bizarre. But it sounded like that. And then I heard one once it was almost like that, ohio monhow did some people do like that? That kind of stuff? You know what I mean? I heard something very like that, And then I heard one that was like a scream, and it sounded like Cliff Berrickman used to do it on finding Bigfoot beginning of it. He'd do this scream and I'd be like, he'd just go like, oh, like that. And I heard something like that, but it was a lot louder, and it carried for miles and like you could feel it. And one of the neighbor's dogs when heard that, ears went down, tail went between its legs, and that thing yipe went in the house and wouldn't come

49:47 out for a week. It was hiding under the bed. It actually went all over itself and defecated on itself. It was so terrified. So you've definitely heard a few things when you're up there. Did anyone ever report anything similar to like language or something that sounded like language or anything like that. If you're talking about like that samurai chatter one, No, okay, I never heard anything like that, got you. If you're talking about that, what's that guy's name? Oh, I can't think of that gentleman's name.

50:28 He's he's got that Sierra sounds. Yeah, I was, It's it's pretty much the same thing. That's what I was referring to. Yeah, yep, yeah, I have never heard anybody say they heard anything like that, got you. Yeah, but you're sound You're hearing all sorts of things up there that is so interesting. It's it's crazier that I haven't heard more about this particular area. And maybe it's just because I'm not overly familiar with the Alaska bigfoot scene, but uh man m Klawaka, Alaska definitely seems like it's the place you should go if you wanted to research. Is this a place you can just walk into though, or is it all like you have to be associated with the particular tribes in order to go to that area? Well it really depends, okay, because like Craig, Craig, Alaska is uh not a tribal town. It's actually a town for people who are like not natives, and I don't mean native to Prince of Wales. I mean like people who are not Native American. A lot of them live there in Craig.

51:46 And there's there's a guy on Craig whose name I put a life of me. I cannot think of that man's name, but uh, he researches bigfoot out there. He'll take you around. Generally, it's a good idea to reach out to people online because there are there are like people out there and Craig or other places who let it be known that they are looking for bigfoot on Prince of Wales. If you google it, you can usually find somebody's name pop up, and you can always email them and see what they have to say. Gotcha, do a little dig in. It sounds like you'll find them definitely. And like I said, I cannotfer the life of me think of that guy's name. I haven't talked him since like twenty eleven.

52:47 I'm not even sure if he's even still alive. To be honest, yeah, he was an older man and I don't know if he's still living or even active. Like I said, that was like you know all those years ago, Oh yeah, exactly, Alex. This has been an amazing chat about an area of Alaska I think deserves more respect. For sure. I know it gets my respect now, no question. I want to thank you for coming on the show and for chatting for a bit. I mean, we could talk for hours on all the stories. No, I think I think we've covered the basics. I think we've covered enough. The one thing I do want to add, though, is that just that a lot of people out there think that, uh, the interdimensional Bigfoot stuff is Bigfoot.

53:51 I just want to propose to people that it might not be a big Foot. It really might be a shape shifting spirit. Now I'm not saying to people who are die hard believers that Bigfoot is an interdimensional travel or traveler or a UFO not or whatever. I wouldn't, for the life of me disparage them. I know people have had their experiences, and I know they believe what they believe, and so I would never try to challenge that or disrespect that. But I would just like to put a bug in somebody's ear, you know, to just think about that when you're talking about Bigfoot and saying that they're associated with the orbs or UFOs or like they walk into a forest and they disappear, and the tracks stop dead, and there's nowhere for them to disappear too. That you might not actually have encountered a bigfoot, might have encountered a skin walker, A I'm a cook or a koushaka or whatever. Just a thought, that's all I got. Well, yeah, thank you for coming on, Alex I pick the Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Dylan from Prince of Wales Island up in southeast Alaska today.

55:08 How's it going, Dylan, I'm pretty good. Are you doing well. I'm excited to talk to you on the phone. I was trying to see if I could get a hold of anyone that actually lives on the island and has had some bigfoot encounters, and through some posts that I made in some groups, we were able to get connected. And still background on yourself. You do work in the timber industry up there in Prince of Wales, but you said that you do have some interesting sightings to share with the podcast listeners. I'm going to let you take the floor, and I know you've had a few times where you've seen sasquatch over the years, but I'll have you start wherever you feel is a good starting point. Okay, I could start with the first time I seen one. I lived on the island now for about four years, and the first time I come up. I have a friend who lives in Cassan, which is in the There's a peninsula sticking out towards catch a Can and there's a little town on that peninsula. You can drive to it, and it's an old Native village. But we went crab fishing in that bay there. It's a pretty good place to go fishing.

56:28 And we were throwing pots over and I looked over to go mark the buoy, and I seen a shape moving between these two islands, and we didn't think anything about it. Kept putting around, putting pots in. We got closer and closer to this thing. I thought it was a lot. There's lots of logs floating around after storms, deadheads, and if you hit it with your boat, you'll get a hole or mess up your prop. So I told him, and he took a look at it, and he said, that ain't a lot. That is a They call him a pushtaka. It's the Native Alaskan people here. They believe in these creatures that live near water, and they make these siren sounds like babies crying, women crying at night to draw men towards the water, and they pull them in and eat them. That's the story. And he wanted to get really close to it and kill it. We got in a fight. I didn't want him to mess with this thing was going to bring us in the water and kill us. But we got fairly close and looked at it through a scope on our rifle, and it was swimming pretty fast over towards This island has a bunch of berry bushes, no trees, and I didn't think nothing of it.

57:50 I thought it was a weird looking bear. But he swore up and down that that was indeed a pushtaka or a sasquatch. I'm pretty sure that they're about the same thing. And I didn't see nothing for a long time after that, for about e three years, and then last year I always went to the Carter River Wilderness, and I was going to go to the lake, take a week off of work and have a big fishing trip. Start at the lake and make my way down the river and then go beach sane and then get picked up. So I was at the cabin at the lake for two three days and headed off down towards the mouth of the river where there's another cabin. And this area is very overgrown. It ain't been logged, I think ever. So there's nine ten foot sicckke of spruce, very dense canopy, very dark, and that year we got fifteen feet of rain, so it was raining NonStop the whole time. It's very dark, and when it's and you don't have a very good sense of anything hearing or vision, smell, you can't really, I don't know how to describe it.

59:10 You're almost numb walking through that stuff. And a bunch of salmon berry bushes, extremely dense. So I walked around a corner on the river and I was going to go throw in see if I could get a couple of sakey. They were running about June and I peered over and I thought it was a bear because it's black and it was looking down, so it looked like a snout of some kind. But I got closer to it and it looked up. It hurt me, and we were just staring at each other across the river. Its head looked up. I saw its eyes, and anyone's not a bear because bears don't. Bears have snouts, they don't have flat faces. It didn't stick around long, Tuck I'm taking I'm thinking probably about two three seconds and he was gone, turned around, Ram, It's about it. I don't know what else did give you, Dylan, When you saw the creature for a few seconds, do you remember it had a particular shape to that head that you saw. Yeah, pretty long head, but a small face, if that makes any sense. Really big forehead, just very and huge, okay, and yellow eyes and a real big eyebrow.

1:00:32 By big eyebrow, do you mean the actual hair of the eyebrow or the ridge. I mean it's all covered in hair. But you could see that area was like a bump across the whole forehead, one big bump. Would you say most of the face was covered with hair or only certain parts the face part It almost looked like an Amish guy, you know how they shave the mustache but have a big beard from the sideburns all the way around looked like that. Did you notice anything particular about the nose of their creature at all? Pretty flat and people have round nostrils. This thing had more like a slit looking thing. Did it show its teeth at all, any any emotion that you got from its face and the few seconds so that you saw it, I think it was surprised, looked at me pretty wide eyed, one of those stunned looks for a second, like a deer in the headlights. It sounds like you were able to see it move a little bit, moving on two legs, are on four? It moved on to it stood up and just turned away and walked. You able to see the hands at all? Or what's the lower part covered by bushes or something like that?

1:01:55 No, he was in the river, so saw that hans these wet, but they were there. Did you notice anything out of the ordinary about the hands, Oh, they had thumbs, for sure, they weren't more feet, gotcha. And the hair covered all the way down to the hands. Oh yeah. Looking at the face of the creature. Let's say, if you had to put in a category in human category and you have eight category or I guess maybe you have something completely different, could you put it in any of those categories? I mean it looked more eight for sure. It has big cheeks round like what is that thing the orange ones from Asia wearing a tank? Oh? Really? It reminded you of an orangutang.

1:02:44 Look, Oh, yeah, for sure because of the cheeks. Okay, yeah, I'm picturing that in my head. I know exactly what you're talking about. Length of the hair. Did you notice anything in regards to how long the hair was. It's pretty shaggy, so it had to be fairly thick. What that would be maybe three four inches thick, like a shagg rug looking deal. Did you notice a color to the hair at all, Yeah, like a dark brown, black looking, very dark color. Were you able to see the feet or lower legs at all? Yeah, okay. Did you notice anything about the feet or the legs at all? Not anything other than they had two two feet Definitely no shoes. The hair went pretty much clear down there, but I couldn't tell you in detail what the feet looked like. What was the weather like at this time, raining temperature?

1:03:46 Oh, probably about sixty sixty five degrees Okay. Did you notice any particular smell at this time? Yeah? It was, frankly one of the worst smells I've ever smell in my life, wet mangy. You ever been to a animal shelter and smelt that weird? Rancid sweaty dog smell. Yeah, and you could smell across the river. Okay, remind me how far away roughly you were again, I would say between forty and thirty feet the river there probably about that wide, and that smell just hit you from that far away. Wow, that's that is wild. When you saw the creature moving, getting out of the river, then probably walking a bit, did you notice anything about how it walked its gate? Yeah, it stood up and turned, but it's a heel in one motion, and it took a huge step onto the river bank, and then another step and then and it stepped in the salmon berry's but really big steps. You probably covered ten twenty feet in matter of nothing. He was gone and almost instant, quiet, in quiet, quiet, quiet, Okay. Picturing the way that it's moving in your mind, do you feel like that's a way of moving that a

1:05:17 human could replicate or was it different than the way that a human would move? I don't think a person, even a tall guy with really good coordination, because tall people usually ain't that coordinated. I don't think you could really get out of the river soaking wet, and the ground heres moss and rock, So when you're stepping on it. You think it's soft, but it's It will tear your feet up really really quick. It's slick too, and it was really raining that day. I don't think that a person could make that kind of movement with bare feet. They have to be wearing pork boots.

1:06:00 Were you able to get a feel of how long the actual foot of the creature would be if you had to give estimate the foot of it? Yeah, how I wouldn't be able to guess. Probably something in the range at fourteen fifteen inches if I had to guess, I know, sure pretty big. Around this time, what were the sounds around you? Like? What other sounds were you hearing? Are you hear the river? You would hear some crows, there were some eagles, and little breeze going through the trees. Mainly the rain is really a heavy rain. Gotcha, So not entirely one hundred percent quiet, but you're still hearing a few birds. Okay, gotcha? Do you remember what your emotional reaction was in a few seconds you saw this happen first? I was in a daze and I stood there probably two three minutes after it left. I couldn't move, almost felt like an out of body experience like I was paralyzed. Did you tell anyone right afterwards what had happened or did it take a while for you to share what you'd experienced. No, I didn't tell anybody for six seven months. I've only told about three four people. Is there a reason why you took so

1:07:30 long to share that way? I was trying to figure out what the hell could be for sure. I don't like jumping on things and just coming up with theories. I know I have a really good friend of mine, and he'll see aliens everywhere. There's aliens in the supermarket and lizard people and all that other stuff. But I was thinking of I've been in the forest in my whole life. I was logging since I was fourteen, so I've seen I've been logging in Alaska for six years now. There's wolves, there's bears, there's deer, and in southeast Alaska that's about it. Large animals.

1:08:13 I've seen some. Really, there's mangy bears. They get sick sometimes and they'll lose hair, they look really weird, and sometimes they'll stand on two feet. This thing is not a mangy bear. And I couldn't figure out what the hell it was. I was questioning my sanity for a while. Wow. Some other questions about what you had seen. Do you remember anything about the arms of the creature at all, apart from them being hairy and all that. Was there anything weird about the length? They were long, for sure, longer than proportionately we'd see on a bear. The hands definitely went lower to the About the knees, I'd say a little bit about the kneecaps, or the fingers would be resting if you'd standing straight up. Did it look like you're looking at a creature that had normal amount of digits, like we would have, like five fingers and five toes or I don't know if that's something you were able to notice at all, or I wouldn't be able to tell for sure because he's soaking wet and some of those hairs are bunched up. Might have looked like fingers, but I couldn't think more than five in less than four. Gotcha? Was is there anything that made you Were you able to tell if you were looking at like a male or a female of the species or anything like that. It did have a big chest,

1:09:44 well, again too graphic. It didn't look like a guy, it looked like mammories there. Okay, gotcha. That's that sounds like it's the first major interaction you've had, because I was thinking back to the first story and it sounded like at that point you only saw a creature that was in the water. Did that creature ever get out of the water that you saw or know? How did you feel it was for wimmen, It's just it was swimming and it was an animal. It wasn't a log for sure. It had was making noise in the water. You could see trying to breathe and stuff. How much of the animal were you able to see in the water? Was it shoulders up or just the head or the water was pretty clear. We could see the head up in the water, and when it would swim, you could see parts of the upper shoulders, but you couldn't see anything definite below the water lying there. What were the main features since you weren't able to see a lot of the creature like you were the one that we just taught about, were there major features that you saw that were like you're like, okay, yeah, this is a sasquatch or kushtaka ka ohushtaka. Yeah, yeah, still that the flat face, but the heads

1:11:15 on they're so oblong that they look like they could be a snout, but they aren't pointed in the direction that the animal moves. If that makes any sense. It's the peak of the head points back and the animal is moving forward. It wasn't on a bear. I think seeing bears swim and any other animal I've seen swim, the snout is always pointed in the same direction bears in them. They don't do backstroke. Have you ever seen any other creature that has a head shape similar to that? Okay, you said the one creature looked more like a had a rangutang face to it. Was that also similar to the one that you saw swimming or was that a completely different setup. We weren't close enough to be able to make that out, gotcha.

1:12:13 Yeah, asking some basic questions either of these encounters. Were you able to get any pictures or audio recording, or see any tracks, any evidence like that. I did not take pictures, and I just honestly don't look to take any pictures of anything. Not a good photographer. So I did come back not long after, and I looked in the river there for any tracks, but it's hard to find tracks here. It's all moss and anything's there an impression. The best luck you have is around a riverbank, and when it's raining, you won't find much. Going back to the orangutang one, do you have any idea of what the creature might have been doing there at that spot when you sounds like you stumbled upon it. Was it trying to do any certain activity? Or I would assume it was fishing because it was a salmon run and it was leaning over the water. It had the prime arms there in the water, and it was looking in the river watching.

1:13:23 It wasn't looking anywhere else before I showed up, So probably fishing. Did you ever do any research to see if you could find any or talk to anyone who had seen similar things in that area where you were at. Yeah, my friend from Cassan, I talked to him, and the locals around here they'll tell you that it's pushtaka, and their stories and descriptions of them are pretty similar. What they look like, what they're up to where you find them. They almost always seem to be around water. That's the one commonality in all those encounters I've ever heard of up here. Did you grow up on the island. Then no, I came up here to work, Okay, ended up staying. When you first got to the area, did you notice the presence of sasquatch and the culture right away? Oh?

1:14:21 Yeah. Before I came up here, I was logging in Oregon and Washington, and it's pretty similar as far as a prevalence in the folklore and culture of the region. I would say it's very intense and closely tied. Guys that you were working with, did they have similar experiences themselves or if they did, they don't tell anybody. And it's pretty hard for me even to talk about it. You don't talk about this kind of stuff. It's a pretty no nonsense industry. Oh absolutely, And I'm very very thankful that you are able to talk about this. I know it's a thing where you are still in your career, and I can tell that at times this is hard to talk about for you. If you had the choice whether to see it again, would you want to see it again or I'd absolutely like to see it again. I'd love to because it's a special thing. It's something that I don't think there's a whole lot of them left. It's like walking in an old growth forest. Only a handful of people will ever be able to do that unless as the world is closed up and we destroy more of it.

1:15:41 Really, probably going to go out again and look for it at the card that would be awesome. Definitely let me know if anything comes to that. Is this a thing where the memories were coming into your dreams things like that? Oh, I couldn't tell you. I don't think so. I had a dream about it, but it's not like a thing that had happened all of a sudden, like magical shamanistic deal, more like a PTSD dream quite honestly, Do you have any advice for people that maybe they've had an encounter like this of ways that they can move past it and just be able to deal with everyday life. Yeah, eventually you got to tell somebody, and I wouldn't be too concerned if they believe you or not, because who gives a rat whether or not anyone believes you. You can only believe your own two eyes and your nose and your ears. Why do you think it's important to actually be able to share to someone else, partially because you drag them into it with you, and all of a sudden there's another person who's They might not believe it. They might, but now there's more more people who have to at least think about it. Gotcha, Dylan, It's a very interesting encounter. Thank you so much for sharing what you saw with me

1:17:12 and my listeners. I hope you are able to go back to that area if you are able to notice anything weird up there, definitely keep us in the loop. Thank you so much for taking some time chatting with us tonight. Do you have any closing words about your experiences. I suppose the last thing to say would be, I really hope that nobody comes out here to hurt them. That's about it, because we get a lot of trophy hunters, and I would imagine they'd love to get their hands on something like that. I would hope it never comes to that. It's totally different than getting a specimen for science, I think, the whole trophy hunting thing. But yeah, I hope that it definitely does not come to that. But Dylan, thank you so much for your time tonight. No problem. May ask you a question, Yes, does this need to be off record? I don't think so. All right, go ahead. Do you get a lot of records from around here? So I've only had the opportunity to talk to one gentleman who was a chaplain with the Salvation Army about his time up there a Prince of Wales Island. From what I've heard, there are many people, it's just being able to get the connection to them, which is why I resorted to pretty much posting in random Prince of Wales Island Facebook groups and

1:18:45 then someone I think sent a message to your tagged you in it. But I know there are lots of people in your area that are seeing things. It's just being able to get in touch with the right people. Yeah, which he from, Oh yeah, okay, yeah, it was a klubok thing. Yeah, so it's pretty interesting if listeners are listening and there's other individuals that have had sightings in the Prince of Wales Island area. I would love to talk to you as well. You need to always send me an email a big for Society at gmail dot com. But yeah, I've had the privilege of talking to one other person so far. Hopefully more in the future. All right, all right, Dylan, thank you so much for chatting. Feel free to reach out there's anything that I can ever help out with, and hope to be in touch with you in the future. Sure, thank you all right, have a great rest of your night, Dylan do just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on you YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend.

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