How to make the Perfect Bigfoot Costume with Cory Seymour from Seymour's Captive Cryptids

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And all right, big for society. We've got the privilege of talking with

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mister Corey Seymour from Seymour's Captive Cryptids. This guy is a super nice,

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awesome, talented artist that I got
to meet at Cryptocon. He makes He's

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best known for his masks, I
would say, but he's also best known

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for these adorable little squeeze plushy I
bought a moth Man and it's very cool

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and I gave it to my son
and he adored it because it has a

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little as I mean lesbi Frank,
it's got a little squshy butt in the

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back. And what kid isn't a
fan of that? Right? You knew

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you're outdio, Right, So how's
it going, Corey? It's going really

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well. How about yourself? Oh
it's so good. We are both getting

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amped up, I would believe for
monster fests. I don't know if this

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is going to be out before it, but as a time of recording,

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we're only ten days the way and
I'm gonna be like, oh man,

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we got a lot of stuff to
do still, so I'm pumped that.

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Oh man, uh, how many
masks are you bringing to the to the

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um. Let me think Uh sorry, I count on my fingers. Uh

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Bigfoot, Chio, Picabra, Jersey, Devil, Windigo, Um lovel and

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Frogman. Um. I might have
a jetty and maybe I might get my

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moth Man made in time. I
got a lot of work to do.

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Oh wow, that's that's incredible.
Where are you guys located out of again?

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Columbus, Ohio? Oh that's perfect. So that's like light up the

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road for you guys. That's good
stuff. Well, my my wife Um,

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I met her here in Columbus,
but she actually is originally from can

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Wow. Yeah. Yeah. The
Monster Fest is being held at the or

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the the movie premiere for the Friday
night before Monster Fest at the Palace Theater,

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And for as long as I've known
her, she's raved about that theater

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and how cool it is, and
so we're actually really excited to get up

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there, and she's going to show
me around because I haven't actually been into

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that place before. Oh I am, I'm just I'm pumped for it.

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I mean, I hear it's a
beautiful theater. They're gonna be playing a

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delightful small town Monsters film, which
is going to be amazing, and I

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am super super pumped for I mean
films all weekend really are mostly on Saturday.

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But Corey, I'm curious, did
you get into cryptos first or into

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the artisan side of things first?
Well, you know, I was always

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into the weird stuff when I was
younger. You know, I liked aliens,

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I liked UFOs, I liked monsters
and ghosts and bigfoot and locked nests

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and I always liked that stuff.
But you know, at the same time,

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my parents basically let me watch whatever
I wanted as a kid, and

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my dad was always into horror movies
and sci fi movies. So like,

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I grew up watching all the heavy
practical effects movies of the eighties and nineties.

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And I actually originally wanted to be
a special effects artist. I wanted

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to go to school for it,
but then I realized in order for me

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to do that, I'd probably have
to leave Ohio, and I didn't really

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want to move away from friends and
family. And I I'm gonna get a

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little long winded here. If that's
okay, let's party go for it.

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Yeah. So I got I got
really lucky, and a friend of a

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friend was like at a party somewhere
and that he met someone who was the

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manager for a company called Unit seventy
Studios right here in Columbus, and they

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were looking to hire some new people, and you know, they got word

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to me and I started working there
in June of June or July twenty thirteen.

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And it's a company that makes props
amatronics for hunting houses. And you

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know, I was doing a lot
of grunt work there, but I learned

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a lot, picked up everything I
could from all the other coworkers, and

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you know, they directed me where
I could buy the stuff to learn to

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make my own masks, because I
always wanted to try it out, you

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know, just give it a shot. And I just ordered stuff online and

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pulled up some YouTube videos and just
started doing it. And you know,

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I worked for that company for about
a year and then jumped around a bit,

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and then I got another job at
another company called Scare Factory, which

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is also here in Columbus, the
same thing, props amatronics for hunted houses.

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And uh that was I worked there
till twenty seventeen, and I learned

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a lot more there from some of
the artists. They really took me under

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their wing, showed me some neat
tricks, really good techniques for getting in

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detail and stuff like that, and
all the while at home, I was

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still making my own masks, and
but at the time I was just doing

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like original Monster Mass, just kind
of making making things up. And I

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did a couple conventions for these Halloween
conventions, and I didn't do well.

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They didn't sell very well. And
one day at a show this would have

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been like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, maybe another mask maker came up and

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he said, your your masks are
really cool, your prices are really good,

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but people want to buy what they
know. And I was like,

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okay, so let's pivot here.
And if I want to do something my

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own way and not just do copies
of what everyone else was doing, you

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know, zombies, clowns, vampires, you know, what can I make?

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And you know, I went back
to my roots of things that I

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really liked, and that was like
cryptids. And I was like, well,

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let's give it a shot. I
can kind of do what I want,

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but still, you know, if
I aim it the right way,

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people were going to know what it
is. And I just started making Cryptid

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Mass and we did the Cryptic Con
in twenty nineteen, and that was the

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very first like cryptid paranormal convention that
we had ever done, and it was

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the best convention we did to date. And we decided, you know,

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it's time for me to quit my
day job and try to do this full

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time and really risk it. And
my wife is she's got a really good

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career. So we knew that we
could afford to take the risk, and

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so I quit my job in September
of twenty nineteen. We set up fourteen

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conventions for twenty twenty. I did
all of two, one in January,

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one in February. But I've just
been still working at it and chomping at

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the bit and coming up with new
designs and new ideas, and now things

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have kind of normalized. We've we've
actually started becoming pretty successful, and it

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just keeps growing, you know,
keep moving forward, keep growing. That's

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amazing. Wouldn't it be great if
like someone was listening to this in fifty

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or sixty years and they're like,
man, why did he only do two

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out of the twelve conventions in twenty
twenty. I got to look that up

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on my Wikipedia VR in my ship
in my head. Well, we're not

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even going to tell you, dude. You just got to look it up.

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Yeah, yeah, seriously. Anyways, when you are designing one of

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your masks, I'm curious, do
you is it just it's all up in

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your head or do you have certain
resources that you like to go to for

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inspiration or where are you getting the
ideas for these creatures in your Well,

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it's it's always good to have reference
pictures as best you can. You know,

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making stuff, making stuff up out
of your out of your brain is

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you can do it, and it's
not difficult, but having reference pictures helps

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keep you from want your brain,
your mind wandering off on what you're doing.

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That being said, one of the
things I have stuck to very staunchly

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when I do my cryptid masks is
I don't pull up pictures or artwork of

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the cryptids. I go and I
find the eyewitness accounts and the descriptions,

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and I I read those and I
interpret those to my ability and then use

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that as my biggest reference point.
It helps me from just copying what another

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artist did. It allows me to
kind of still stick to an original design.

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Um you know, I did the
Loveland Frogman, and there's a ton

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of Frogman artwork out there, but
um you know, I looked at the

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original descriptions and then I would use
reference pictures of just frogs, you know,

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to help guide that. But uh, you know, I try to

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stick away from artwork that other people
have done into encrypteds because you know,

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I don't want to be too influenced
by it's it's too easy to accidentally copy

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someone in the art world, and
that's not something I want to do.

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I want people to see my stuff
and they go, oh, yeah,

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that's that's a Seymour's mask. That's
they know what it is. You know,

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that is so cool. I always
I always knew there was something.

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I was like, Man, first
time I saw your masks in person at

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cryptoconmis like, they look so like
just the way that he's made them,

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they look so real. They're awesome, And I was like, I got

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to talk to him someday about where
he gets his ideas. And I love

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that you are actually going to eyewitness
accounts. So let's let's say, for

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example, the big Foot mask.
So like, what are you using for

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your which witness accounts are you?
Are you did you look at for that?

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I mean to be honest, it's
kind of like, um, you

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know, I really just like I
go to Google, I pull up just

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random ones. I kind of piece
them together, and there was no specific

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one. And that was the other
thing I didn't want to stick to,

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like, oh, this was this
person's specific description, and that's the only

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description I'm going off of. I
really kind of moved around and then I

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just use those kind of as rough
guidelines. I you know, Um,

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that's that's the That's the fun and
joy of what I do is I can

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play with it. I don't have
to stick too hard to it. But

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um, yeah, I don't try
to. I don't try to use anyone

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specific. I kind of blended all
together. That's awesome. I love when

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artistry and cryptozoology intersect. It's just
like we are the most or I would

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say crypto zoology artisans are the most
creative group I've ever met of people.

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You know, I got to hang
out with a group of them and at

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Cryptocon we all went out and ate
pizza and just the nicest bunch of people

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you'll ever wanted to talk about.
You had talked to me a little bit

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a few days ago about how you
are actually involved with creating a full sized

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Bigfoot costume for small town monsters.
Is that correct? Yeah, so um

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Seth Breedlove talked with me about how, um, he's wanting to upgrade some

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of their suits, some of their
costumes that they have for their basically their

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b roll. They're they're really wanting
to get some b roll for their movies

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that they can just like utilize throughout
several several of them. Um. And

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he asked if it was something I'd
be I'd be up for, and I

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haven't. I haven't personally ever made
a full body suit before. Um,

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but I told them i'd be I'd
be down for the task. And um,

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luckily I um, right before I
quit my day job, my day

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job to do this. I worked
for a company called Costume Specialists, which

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made mascots. Um. Yeah,
and so um, you know all of

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my masks if you've seen them,
they have most of them have fur.

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Um. Well, I have a
seamstress who was a co worker from that

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job, who patterns and sows all
the fur for me. Um and so

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uh she is working alongside with me
to get these suits made. And um,

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we are we're you know, we're
attempting to do something I'm not.

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I'm not Hollywood level, that's you
know, I'm I know that I'm not

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quite there yet. Maybe one day, but I'm not Hollywood level. Yeah,

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but I don't. I had no
interest in making something that just looked

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like a fur suit. So,
um, one of the things that we're

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actually doing is we are utilizing a
um, a muscle suit that fits under

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the under the fur um and it
actually utilizes some floating muscles so that when

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they're not fully like encapsulated into the
suit, part of it is and then

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part of it lays over top of
other muscle segments, so when the body

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moves, you actually see those muscles
moving under and over each other. Really.

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Yeah, you know, that's that's
the theory. That's the theory that

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we're going with. And you know, um uh you know, we're we're

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still working on it. It being
a brand new thing that that I've never

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done and she's never done outside of
work, we're really working together on trying

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to make sure we get it done
right. Um. You know. But

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there's a bit of a learning curve
to it, of process to doing something

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you've never done before. But um, it's going really well. I'm currently

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sculpting or almost finished sculpting and ready
to mold H two separate bigfoot masks.

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Um, they'll have hands and feet
of course. Um, you know,

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And I don't know how much I'm
allowed to tell. He set so Seth.

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Seth was the first one to mention
that I was doing these suits for

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him on another podcast, UM,
which tells me it's okay for me to

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talk about it. But I don't
know how much I'm supposed to give away

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or whatnot. But um, but
I'm working on those for him. And

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UM, I've you know, he's
we've worked together a little bit in the

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past. Um, he's he's he
purchased back in twenty nineteen, he purchased

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my Mothman mask for one of his
documentaries, but ended up on the cutting

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room floor. Um, just the
style of film that he ended up leaning

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into. It didn't work with what
he was going with. But you know,

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Um, he purchased another one for
the bell Witch documentary he did.

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You can only see it in a
few silhouette scenes in the background, but

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UM, it was really cool.
It's really cool to work with him.

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I'm excited. UM. I think
we have a lot more work in the

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future. He is. He has
thrown out the idea that if if these

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suits work out, and he's happy
with them. We might be doing some

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more suits after that, So that's
awesome. I'm gonna throw some questions your

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way because that's my job, and
then you can throw it back in my

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face if you want. Um.
Still, I'm just really curious, are

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you using Patty as a as a
reference for this or is it going to

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be like we'll look at it and
maybe you'll look a little familiar, but

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it's not going to be like this
isn't gonna be like hoax Patty, you

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know, Like I mean, you
know, Patty is like the best reference

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to use if you're doing Bigfoot.
I mean, it's the most It's it's

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of all the all of the photographic
and film evidence. It's it's the best

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we got so far, I think, And I think not using it as

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at least some form of reference for
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disservice. Uh. It's not a
hard, hardline you know reference. I'm

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not trying to copy it. I'm
you know, I'm making this thing my

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own. Um. I'm I'm trying
to find that that that in between between

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primate and human features that that we
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you know. Um, it's tough
sometimes though, because it's it's it's very

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you know, it's all vague,
all the photos, all the images,

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all these descriptions. Um yeah,
I mean you have you have two people

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that see this, have the exact
same encounter, and then they give you

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two different descriptions of what they saw, and you know, so um that's

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that is the fun though of doing
these crypto masks in these suits and is

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I'm I'm not wrong in my design? True? You know, it feels

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like it could almost be a rabbit
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down because it's like, okay,
you have to make feet. How long

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are you going to just focus on
the feet because you could go down the

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crazy rabbit hole and you could be
like, oh, gotta contact doctor Meldrum

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now and be like then I do
all right that the mid tarsal break like

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and no one's ever going to see
the foot, Like how far do you

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let yourself go crazy? You know? I have I have done a little

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bit, uh just just a little
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work for uh small independent film.
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that I have had my hand in
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Um. And it's surprising how little
of the work you put into it

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that you actually end up seeing,
you know. It's uh, I think

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I know that that you you don't
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of the smaller things. I mean, you know, the feet need to

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look good, but making sure that
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the dermal ridges like fingerprints on the
toes like that's there's no reason to get

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to that level. You're never gonna
see that in film. Um. The

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I think the faces are going to
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you know. And uh, one
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I'm gonna be trying flocking on these
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with most of my masks, it's
the fur just stops and then you have

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the latex you know, skin,
and I don't want to do that with

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these ones. I want to have
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be smoother. So, um,
I'm I'm going to be using utilizing flocking

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to break it break that edge line
up. And do you know what flocking

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is? I don't. I was
about to ask you, actually, Um,

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so easy reference is if you remember
when you were a little kid and

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you would have one of these toys
that was supposed to be like an animal

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that was hard plastic, but it
had like a velvety fur. Yes,

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absolutely, that's flocking. And the
way that's done is you create an electrical

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charge on the surface that you want
to attach the flocking. You put down

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the layer of glue or contacts cement
where where it's going, and then you

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use a flocking gun, which I
can't remember if it negatively or positively charges

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these. It's basically just really short, tiny hairs and so when you use

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the flocking gun, they when they
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they stay and straight up on end. And what that does is it creates

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that like velvety texture and they're all
standing just straight up. They're really tiny,

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and that'll help break up that line
from the long fur to just the

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skin. And I think he'll he'll
give it really cool features and good for

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close ups. That will be you
know, I can't think of another film

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that would have that detail built into
the costume. And I'm sure Adam from

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Bigfoot Film Appreciation Circle it's going to
message me and be like, well,

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actually, which I oh man,
that guy, Yeah, he's coming on

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the podcast one day. He's gonna
let me know when he's getting We're going

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to talk about old school Bigfoot VHS
films from the because he's the guru with

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that. Anyways, that's another show. But man, that's fascinating. I

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didn't know there was that much work
that went into the that toy I had

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when I was a little kid that
I'm picturing. Oh yeah, oh man,

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that's nuts. The one thing,
you know, I'm trying to picture

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the Bigfoot costume of the future in
my head, and you got a good

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point. Probably a lot of focus
is going to be on the face.

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like the length of the arms.
If the length of the arms isn't right,

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I think it would take me right
out of it. Yeah. I

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don't know why that is, but
it's like that arm length that everyone says

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it's longer arms right, Yeah,
And you know it's like and then you

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have to like, for me,
how much of an extension do I want

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to do? Do I want to
take the actor's hand out of the equation,

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because like, are we going to
make it so long that they're they

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have to manipulate something that fake hands
or is it going to be um trick

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photography? You know, I mean
you're not always going to get actors that

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are seven and a half eight feet
tall to walk through the woods wearing a

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suit for you. Sometimes the best
you can get is a six foot tall

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friend of yours and and you just
have to use force, perspective and you

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know, good shots. So you
know, it's getting a really good,

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like accurate Bigfoot suit to what the
way the descriptions are like you're moving into

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the Hollywood territory of special effects.
And when you do that, you start

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adding zeros to the cost of the
suit. Yeah, that's true. That's

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a good point in your research.
Are you looking at like the old school

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Planet of the Apes customs at all? You know, I wasn't, But

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that's not that's not a bad idea. Uh No, you know, I

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um, like I said, you
know, I was. I look at

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the Patty images. Um uh.
I also watch a lot of Bigfoot movies

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just to see what others have done
and how it looks. Um, some

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some good ones and some really bad
ones, and you know it's uh,

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it's um, it's just it's really
interesting. What other suit makers like focused

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on and the things that they decided
were important and the things that they they

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didn't and how they did what they
did. And um, I mean even

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even for this this suit that I'm
working on, uh, just to help

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us out to make sure that we're
we're going in the right direction. Um,

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I purchased from the Stan Winston School. Uh. They have a DVD

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course for doing the muscle suits,
and their example muscle suit is for a

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big foot suit. So yeah,
it's a nice little shortcut that we were

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able to utilize with that to just
kind of helped direct us. I mean,

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we're not going to copy it exactly, but it's we're definitely using as

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a good reference for what we're trying
to be trying to do. Well,

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if the master is going to say
here's some info about like this and it

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has to do with a big foot
suit, I'm probably gonna be like,

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I'll take a look at it.
You know, I'd be foolish not to.

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Yeah, you mentioned that you've been
watching different Bigfoot movies to look at

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the suits. So are there any
that come to mind for like, Wow,

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that movie had a really good suit
or that movie had a not so

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good example of the suit. I
mean it's hard. It's it's a it's

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a kid slash family movie. But
it's hard not to like love the Harry

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and the Henderson's big foot suit.
Yeah I know. I mean that is

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a childhood favorite of mine. Um, you know it didn't it didn't hurt

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that they had uh what was his
name? Um, it's a very tall

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gentleman, wasn't he. Yeah?
He remember he also played the Predator in

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the first Predator Movie's right? Yeah? Yeah? Um, I mean it

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doesn't hurt having a really tall actor
to play the part. But like,

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uh, that's a fantastic suit.
Um, but let me think, Um,

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Big Legend had a really nice big
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like that one. Um one,
I think it's almost bad. It's almost

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bad to the point that I love
it. Um is the suit from Abominable

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Um oh, I haven't seen that
one. I have to look that up.

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I love Abominable Is. It is
a fantastically good bad movie in my

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opinion. Um it's it is out
Hitchcock's rear window meets Bigfoot. Uh.

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I love it. The suit is
it's it's well done. Like quality wise,

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it's really well done. But style
wise, it's very exaggerated and kind

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of outlandish. Um Like, Bigfoot's
face is way too big for his body,

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but it's just like it's massive compared
to the rest of him. Nice.

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Um Like, it's bad in my
opinion, it's as a Bigfoot suit.

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It's bad and it's designed. But
I still love it. Oh,

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I can't wait for the YouTube comments. Abominable fanboys are gonna be that's terrible

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kids. I love it. I'm
really gonna check it out though. UM,

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I gotta ask you. I usually
ask all the people I talk to

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this, but curious, So you've
been thinking about Bigfoot a lot over the

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years, especially now. What are
your thoughts as to what the creature is

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that we're dealing with? Um,
Well, you know, I'm I'm a

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believer. I've never encountered anything to
tell me that it exists personally. But

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I think that the amount of evidence
I win this accounts, video photographs,

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the amount of them, it's too
unlikely that is all hoaxes and misidentifications.

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I think that it is a genetic
cousin to humans, and you know,

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it probably evolved right beside us,
um along you know, along with chimps

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and gorillas. And all the other
great apes. And my money is that

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it witnessed just how brutal humans are
and decided that its best survival tactic was

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that remain hidden to hide from us. Yeah. I mean, you have

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the most one of the most elusive
animals on the planet that has I mean,

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there is so much land, even
just in North America alone that has

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not been seen by a person to
talk about it. There's plenty of places

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for things to exist that we have
yet to see. Um. But on

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top of that, like you know, humans, humans are kind of dicks,

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like we're well, we totally are. Yeah, yeah that yeah,

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we we we we don't really mesh
well with nature. Uh, we've kind

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of removed ourselves. Even even prehistoric
Man moved himself away from nature as much

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as he could. And uh,
you know, if if I was a

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tribe of of primates that was as
intelligent as as we can assume they must

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be witnessing these other primates they are
just killing everything and cutting down all the

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trees and everything. Like, I'd
probably go hiding too, you know,

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Like I don't think I'd want to
be discovered by them. And um,

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yeah, I think that they just
they're they're right there along side by side

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cousins with us, and they're probably
very intelligent. They they probably have tool

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usage, but not to the point
that they have to make anything that's permanent.

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with you one hundred percent on the

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tool usage. I mean, if
you if you listen to apes among Us

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podcast UH with an AWAC guys out
of Area X, they have actually found

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um I forget the exact name they
have for them, but they're pretty much

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stations where it's a it's a large
flat rock and there's another rock where you

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can tell that something has been picking
up the rock and smashing it down into

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a large gathering of acorns and they're
splitting. Yeah, and this is a

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large rock that's being picked up.
I mean, it's not a squirrel that's

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doing it, guys. I mean
obviously if that's a squirrel, though,

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I'm it's game over for sure.
Sure Scotch squirrel squatch. Someone make it,

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someone make it. Um. But
yeah, I agree with you that

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there is some smarts there tool usage. I mean who they've probably found in

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other places some I know that the
Olympic projects. Yeah, Shane found some

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stuff too, He found like well, there's like the rock clacking and stuff,

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man, And it's crazy to think
about. You know, we think

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that we've civilized the entire United States. We definitely haven't. That's something that

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I've learned from doing the show for
almost five years. There are areas in

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the Pacific Northwest no one has seen. There's areas in Oklahoma that are extremely

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remote. It's crazy crazy. There's
even areas in Ohio that I mean,

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you could probably say it's remote,
but I mean you've got places like Salt

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Fork. Yeah. Well, I
you know, I talked with um Cliff

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barrickman Um and he told me that
Ohio is ranked fifth in the country for

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bigfoot sidings and number one east of
the Mississippi, you know. And I

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mean we're we're you know, the
Appalachian Trail cuts through parts of Ohio,

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you know. And I mean there's
a lot of a lot of wilderness that

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that I think we as a people
like to glaze over in our minds because

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to actually think about the fact that
we are actually surrounded by massive areas of

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wilderness that people don't live in.
I think it's a lot scarier for some

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people to accept. You know,
um, if you're not if you're not

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in a city, you know,
like you're not that far from a lot

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of wild animals. And um,
I mean even even in the suburbs,

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there are animals that have learned to
like travel without anyone even seeing them,

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you know. I mean most of
the time people don't realize that there are

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a possums and raccoons in their neighborhood, you know. And it's like you're

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you think you're in the city,
but you're still in the wilderness. You're

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not actually detached, You're still there. Yeah, we're I mean, it's

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it's as crazy, you know,
as as humans. We go into our

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houses, turn on the lights,
everything is fine, we continue it all

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out, but in reality we're about
a week and a half from everything just

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you know, like but yeah,
okay, we won't get too crazy.

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But let's say power is just like
boom, no more power. How long

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would it take for just everything to
be like boom, It's game over,

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it's party time, you better start
surviving. And then the big Foot come

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back in and like, okay,
remember us, we're back. That's a

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movie I'd see Bigfoot Apocalypse. That
would be a great movie. Though someone

405
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wants to make it oh Man big
Foot apocalypse. Oh, it would be

406
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that would be so cool. Um. Yeah, I don't think that one's

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been made. Yeah, let's someone
do that. That would be rock and

408
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roll. Um have you heard or
you know it's speaking of Ohio bigfoot stuff.

409
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Do you have like a favorite Ohio
Bigfoot story that you've heard from living

410
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there or anything? I thought,
you know, I wish I did.

411
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Um I have. I don't think
I've actually ever heard an eyewitness account from

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anyone directly. Um, I'm a
I'm a I'm a city mouse. I've

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lived almost my entire life within twenty
minutes of downtown Columbus. Oh wow,

414
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yeah, I mean there were there
are areas I lived where I was just

415
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like a few miles from the farmlands, but like it was still town.

416
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And so No, unfortunately I don't
have any I don't have any good stories

417
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in regards to that, and I
really wish I did. We did.

418
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We did the Salt Fork Bigfoot conference. Uh, was like a week and

419
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a half ago or something like that, almost two weeks ago. And originally

420
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me and my wife and a few
of my friends we rented a cabin for

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that weekend. And originally I was
like oh, you know, we should

422
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do We should go out into the
Salt Fork and do a little squatching and

423
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see if we can find anything.
And then it occurred to me, I'm

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like, everyone that's staying out here
this weekend is going to be out in

425
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the woods, and so I have
to assume every noise I hear is just

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another person squatching. So I want
to plan a weekend, you know,

427
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maybe later in the summer, to
go out there and see why I can

428
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find see if I can discover anything. M cliff also said there's a place

429
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south of Columbus on your way towards
Cincinnati, Beaver Creek. He said,

430
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he said, if you want to
hear Bigfoot, he said, go down

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to Beaver Creek, set up in
the campground, to set up out in

432
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the woods and turn off the lights, and he said, you'll hear them.

433
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You'll hear the knocks, you'll hear
the footsteps, you'll hear the noises

434
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they make. It's like, just
go out there, be quiet, just

435
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like you. Maybe two people.
I'm like, I don't know if I

436
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actually want to do that. You
know, you have to do it.

437
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:58.360
You gotta do it. That's amazing. Oh, man, dude, if

438
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anyone listening to this uh has done
that. Let me know what you encountered

439
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:10.280
in the comments? That sounds so
Beaver Creek in Ohio? Yeah yeah,

440
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that's wild. Um how far away
from northwest? I think northwest Ohio?

441
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.159
Are you? Um? Well,
you know Columbus is basically the center.

442
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So okay? Um, so you
you were talking about up towards heading towards

443
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um Cleveland or are you talking about
more towards more towards Uh? Oh man,

444
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:45.519
this is my geography is failing rapidly. It is Indiana that's to your

445
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west west to my west towards Indiana
in the northern western corner, probably about

446
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.920
three hours maybe Okay. I was
thinking the guys you got to go out

447
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:00.079
with, which would be awesome and
encrypted to the Corn guys. Oh yeah,

448
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.960
those guys are off the rock and
dude, oh man, I want

449
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:10.559
to see the cory encryptids of the
Corn Beaver Creek extravaganza. That would be

450
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.360
amazing. Those guys, those guys
are awesome. Oh I'm so pumped to

451
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.920
see them coming up in ten days
that it's going to be a good time,

452
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:28.400
good good dudes for sure. Um
Man, this has been a super

453
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.360
fun chat before we go. Yeah, there's a there's a question that I

454
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thought of a while back and I
didn't get to ask it. Is there

455
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something that makes Columbus like is it
is it a weird city? Or like,

456
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what are the chances there's two like, um, Halloween haunted house prop

457
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.599
type? Is there any reason for
that or just happens to be that those

458
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:57.679
businesses are in there? So um
here here's what I'll say about Columbus.

459
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I love Columbus. Columbus is my
favorite place. Um. I don't think

460
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I'd ever want to live anywhere away
from Columbus. UMU, as it has

461
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.719
been described to me by the many
other artists that I have met while living

462
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here, Columbus is the art capital
of the world. And and and the

463
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:23.440
way it's explained is, um,
you know we have so we have Cca

464
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d um that is um that's our
art school here. Um. So we

465
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have I mean, we have a
school that has dedicated to art from clothing

466
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to digital to physical woodworking, I
mean just about every type of artistry you

467
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:50.119
can imagine. There's the school here
teaches. Um. We probably have one

468
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:54.840
of the highest artist populations, maybe
outside of outside of New York. Um.

469
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:01.960
Wow, On top of that,
Columbus is also the largest test market

470
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in the United States. Um.
Anytime a product is ever needing to be

471
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.000
tested um on whether or not it
will do well is tested here in Columbus

472
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:16.599
before it's tested anywhere else. So
we get all the first things and um

473
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:21.000
uh. It's kind of sad though, because well, a lot of times

474
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.320
I'll find something brand new that I
really like and then it just disappears,

475
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:28.079
you know, so like all the
weird food at restaurants and then yeah,

476
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:37.880
oh man that you know. I
think I think that I think Columbus breeds

477
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:46.679
uh weirdness, and I think it
really um, I think it really embraces

478
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:52.239
that. Yeah, I mean it's
It's to the point where I even created

479
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:57.159
my own tag group on Facebook.
Ohio is weird? I love that.

480
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.360
Yeah, that's a good reason I
was hoping it wasn't like, well,

481
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:05.639
the whole place is hunted and there's
like Ghostbusters but ten times worse. I'm

482
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.280
glad it's just because there's a ton
of artists there might there might be some

483
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:12.519
of that too. There's a lot
of Native American burial grounds that have been

484
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:17.280
built over, so oh cool.
Oh well, good job Columbus Settlers.

485
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.880
You really mess that up. Good. To be fair, it is called

486
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:31.119
Columbus Ah, I get it.
The light pulpers is like ding. That's

487
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:37.960
amazing. Oh, Corey. I
am looking forward to seeing you again in

488
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.840
about ten days from time recording.
It's going to be a good time at

489
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Monsterfest. But before we go,
do you mind taking a few minutes and

490
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:51.519
sharing with the listeners how they can
keep up to date with what you're doing,

491
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.519
how they can pick up one of
your masks, all that good stuff.

492
00:42:55.320 --> 00:43:02.320
Yeah? Absolutely so um. Best
places to follow us as Instagram and

493
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:09.480
Facebook. Just Seymour's Captive Cryptids on
both of those platforms. I also have

494
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.639
an Etsy page for now I think
Etsy is kind of dying a little bit,

495
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.760
but we also have a website which
is Just Seymour's Captive Cryptids dot com.

496
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:27.199
You can find all of our stuff
on there. Yeah, that's pretty

497
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:31.360
much it. Fantastic. Well,
best of luck with you in your endeavor

498
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.480
to make an amazing bigfoot suit for
small town monsters. I'll be looking forward

499
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.840
to seeing the finished result. And
thanks for coming on today, Corey.

500
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Yeah, absolutely, it's been my
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