Dec. 3, 2025

Hunter Encounters Massive Figure in Hells Canyon—and Everything He Knew Falls Apart | Idaho

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Season 1

n this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, Pastor and lifelong outdoorsman Jeffrey shares a series of chilling Idaho Bigfoot encounters from more than 40 years in the Rocky Mountains. From a mysterious juvenile figure photographed in the late 1960s near Pagosa Springs and Durango, Colorado, to a massive dark shape moving through deep brush south of Loon Lake near McCall and Hells Canyon, Jeffrey recounts multiple moments that defied all logic and every known animal behavior.You’ll hear firsthand about:

• A canyon-crossing figure taller than surrounding brush
• A rock-throwing incident on an Idaho ridge that had no human explanation
• A silent, fast-moving subject seen moments after ATV riders passed
• How these encounters impacted his understanding of the outdoors—and his Christian faith

If you're looking for real Bigfoot sightings, Idaho Sasquatch activity, Rocky Mountain encounters, or discussions about how the unexplained intersects with belief, this episode is a must-listen.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the.

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Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society.

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You've got the privilege of talking to Jeffrey today. Jeffrey

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is a pastor, outdoorsman, a big game hunter, a lot

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of things going on in the outdoors realm. Welcome to

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the show, Jeffrey. How are you doing today, sir?

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You're very good?

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Thank you awesome?

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And you you listened to the show over on the

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YouTube side, Is that right?

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Yes? I do. I catch you a couple episodes a week,

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a lot of the older ones. We have very interesting.

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Show, perfect thank you. Thank you so much for doing that.

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Jeffrey.

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We have definitely some interesting things to talk about. But

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we were talking a little bit beforehand before we recording started,

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and we are going to go You're actually going to

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start your story back a little bit earlier, talk about

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your how you were introduced really to bigfoot in general,

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and then we'll go from there. So feel free to

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take it away at Jeffrey and take us back to

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when this all started for you.

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Yeah, very good. Yeah. So my father was a big

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game hunter and got me into it, and he used

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to take a lot of trips out of town when

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I was little, and I think one of my earliest

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memories was when I was about four and him packing

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up his gear to go on a hunting trip into

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the after neil deer and elk into the rocky mountains

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and such. And so it's been a part of my

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life the outdoors, has hunting, fishing, hiking, and been very

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successful as an outdoorsman in a hunter my life, which

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has put me out there in the woods a lot,

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in the mountains and the rockies to experience a lot

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of the natural beauty of the world and such. And

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I remember when my dad got back from one of

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his trips, he for the first time and the only

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time in my memory. He decided to take the family

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to the movie theater, and so I was I was

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like five or six years old, pretty excited to get

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to go to the movie theater. This was back in

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the sixties and so interesting. What was the movie going

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to be? It was a double feature Bigfoot and Cougar Country,

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and of all things, my dad wanted to go see Bigfoot,

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the Patterson Gimli film, and that's where I saw that

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in a theater when I was about six years old,

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and it was it's fascinating. I had to say, I

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was much more interested in the Patterson Gimblin film that

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I was. The Cougar Country that was boring after seeing

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Bilkford running across the screen like that. So that was

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my first exposure to it. And what was interesting then

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shortly after that, of course, being back in the sixty

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thirty five millimeter film My dad was not a photographer.

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He carried around his little pocket cameras that it would

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click through manually click through, and so he took that

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hunting with him, take pictures of his trips and such.

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And he brought out a photograph and it was snowy

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background up in the mountains and cross there and he said,

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he showed it to me, and he said, oh, won't

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you look at that, see that spot right there, because

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I think that was like a juvenile bigfoot. Of course,

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I think he used a small kid or child bigfoot.

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I'm only six. Juvenile wasn't, but that's what he was implying.

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that photo for a while, and he says, yeah, it

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was there most of the morning. And of course, I

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to this day, I'm not sure what I saw in

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that photograph, but I remember those I remember that vividly

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is him showing that photo. And I don't even know

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where that photo is at today. It's a little too

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late now to be asking my father about it. Maybe

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when my mother passes away, I'll be able to rummage

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through all the hundreds and hundreds of old photos and

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find it. But well, it was interesting about it, as

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I got later in life, when you what is that

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term when faces are figures and things that aren't there

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with it, paradolia? Ye, yeah, as I looked, as I

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remember back and looking into that photo, that effect wasn't

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in play at all. There was, and so it wasn't

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like a trick of shadows he was showing me or

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anything in my mind, and what I saw there was

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something else there that you know, because for me it

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was hard for me to even pick it out. So

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I don't think he was showing me so much a

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trick of the shadows, but maybe there was something there,

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And I wish I had the photo. I wish I

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could ask him. But never talked about bigfoot again after that.

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It was not a subject. And of course over the

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years he got me out in the mountains with him,

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hunting and fishing and stuff, and never really was they

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put a concern or even a thought. It was interesting idea.

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But by the time I was in my mid twenties

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getting towards the later twenties, I'd spent countless hours in

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the mountains back when I was During up to that

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time in my life, I had a about thirty hour

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week job, and when I wasn't working, I was hunting

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or fishing and sleeping in my car up in the

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mountain with a fishing pole or a boat or a

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rifle or a shotgun or something. And I'd come home

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and shower and to take off into work and then

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repeat that process over again. I lived to be in

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the mountains and spending the night alone in the mountains

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as a guy that I would leave camp and when

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we would go on our hunting trips with my father,

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I'd leave camp at six before sun came up, and

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I can get back till after the sun went down.

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I got something. So I spent hours out in the

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dark and such, never had any experiences whatsoever. It was

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a week or two ago. You had a gentleman on

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that was up at Loon Lake in Idaho, up above McCall. Yeah,

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and I hunted. I spent all my years below south

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of Loon Lake, down between there and the Boys area

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and over to Hills Canyon or the west of that,

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in that block of area, and so that's where all

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my experiences take place when I began to actually maybe

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experience some big foot encounters, not a lot. I hunted

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there for in that area for nearly forty years, and

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there's only two or three maybe times when I really

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thought I was experiencing something. But so it was my

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later twenties and I'm up hunting. I got rifle season,

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I got a elk tag and a bear tag, and

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I drive up head out in a couple of miles

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off the road and to get out there overlook a

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canyon before dark, and I'm sitting there and it was

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about three hundred yard maybe three fifty yards across this

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canyon where the trees would break out into some heavy brush,

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and I'm watching the shill side open a nice bowl.

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We walk out and I see movement across the canyon,

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just on the edge of the trees. Later in the evening,

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and the sun's cutting through the mountain peaks and through

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some clouds and patchy light, and so I caught movement.

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I put my binoculars up and I see a flash

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of dark black so a medium. Thinking that's a bear.

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There's a bear over there. Bear seasons still open. I've

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got a tag. So I catch another glimpse through my

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binoculars and yeah, this is definitely not an ol, definitely

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not a deer. Based on just the glimpses I'm getting

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it can't be either one of those creatures. So it

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has to be a bear. So I get my rifle up,

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start looking and forming the scope, and he's moving up

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the canyon across the way from me, and as I'm

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watching him, I get it the sun. He goes in

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a sunny spot, and I've never seen a full body

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because of the He's on the edge where the brush is,

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and so I'm kind of looking through brush, hoping he'll

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step out this barrel'll step out and give me a

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good shot. He's moving swift, which is kind of surprising.

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I don't think any other hunters around, so I can't

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figure out why he'd be moving so quickly off this canyon.

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But he's moving quick, and like I said, he stepped

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out just a little bit of that. I've caught this

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glisten of off his back and it's an orange, just

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blondish color I caught and I think, okay, even better,

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this is a phase bear. It's a bear, not black.

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It's off phase, which will make a really nice a

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nice trophy. So it's getting excited. I'm tracking him and

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see glimpses, trying to wait for him to give me

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that good shoulder shot. And then I begin to see

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things that don't make sense. I'm like, where I think

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I see ahead, I don't see any years. I think

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I see a rump, it's out a position, or a shoulders.

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Shoulders seems to be too high up above it is

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back in, But I'm never seeing the whole body, and

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I keep looking at this thing through the scope and

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then I see what I think is completely out of place,

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like an arm swinging by, and a bear's front legs

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just don't look like that. There's not long enough to

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resemble an arm the front legs or when he especially

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he's moving quickly, they're going to be down on the ground.

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And the position was just not making sense to me,

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and it began to really concern me. And after I

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saw a couple more glances of things that just weren't

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making sense, I began worried maybe I'd been out of

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my rifle on another hunter. But that didn't make it

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sense either. It was moving too quickly, too smooth, just

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that that gate that just was effortless. As he went

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up the canyon, climbing, climbing the edge of that canyon,

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still in the brush in the trees, I could see

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him weaving in and out of that, and it was

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just it was mind boggling, and it really unnerved me

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because I felt like, oh, no, I've had my rifle

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pointed at another man, another hunter for the last two

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or three minutes, and so I pulled down the rifle

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and put the binoculars up and watched him for going

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in and out of the brush for probably another two

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or three minutes, and then it was gone. Never saw it,

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never heard a thing, which isn't unusual of it that

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a bear can be very quiet. They have pads rather

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than hoods, so they don't break branches or anything like

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a deer or an elk, wood, especially an elk, so

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they are very quiet animals. But the whole it really

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was a sickening feeling in my stomach to think I

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had just that maybe I had pointed my rifle at

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another person. But I couldn't reconcile it. It wasn't. It

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couldn't reconcile it definitely wasn't a deer. It definitely wasn't

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an elk at the time, I thought, but it had

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to be a bear. It couldn't. But it didn't look

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like it bear. And so I will go back. I

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go back. That's getting dark. So I walk out of

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there in the dark, back to my back to my vehicle.

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And my plan was to spend the night there. I

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wasn't much for camping. I when you're young, you sleep

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anywhere anyhow, So I'm just like man lay the seat

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back and calk out for the night, get up and

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grab a few donuts and the jug of milk, and

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head up to the hills again. How I operated, I

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wanted to be mobile in case I didn't see anything,

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I could move on. It was hunting with such a

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such a thing in my blood, in my life, I

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just that was more important than it than a good camp.

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So I spent the night there and I got up

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the next morning, and I really had trouble sleeping. It

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was really whether it was the excitement, whether it was

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the nerves of how upset I was that I had

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maybe had my rifle pointed at a human, which was

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completely I don't know if you've ever had an experience

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like that, but it's very unnerving, especially for somebody who

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has drilled gun safety and weapons safety their whole life.

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So the next day I circle back around. I decided

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to go across the canyon to where I saw this

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what I thought was a bear, and I'm going to

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go look for sign and see if maybe I can

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find maybe he's back in the area. Maybe I'll redeem

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myself and actually see that he was a bear. But

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I get over there and i'd never been across this

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canyon before. This is a place that I was newly exploring.

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And I get over there and I'm walking. I walk

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up and down that ridge for a couple hours, on

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the edges of the trees, and I couldn't even see

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where I was. I couldn't look across the can and

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see where I was sitting because the brush was too tall,

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and I could not find a place anywhere where a bear,

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a deer, or an elk would have been tall enough

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for me to have seen it where this thing was walking.

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And it was after a couple hours of search I

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gave up and completely baffled that the idea that I

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possibly was seen in a sasquatch at the time, I

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couldn't even it didn't even come to my mind. I

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wasn't there. I'd spent how many I'd already at this point,

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I'd spend fifteen years alone in the mountains all the time.

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Even when my dad would take me hunt as a

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young kid, we'd split up and i'd take off by myself.

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He'd take off and have a plan. So I was

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used to being in the woods alone, and never once

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did I ever think, Oh, I hope I don't run

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into a big foot, and so the thought that this

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thing could have been a bigfoot or a saucequatch, it

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just never occurred to me. And it wasn't until recently

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that I began to realize in coming to terms with

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what I had seen, because nothing else fits the scenario.

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There's no body, no person, no creature, no animal that

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could have moved and been that tall to have seen

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over the brush. Anything else in that particular area where

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he was going up and down the canyon would and

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I would have been out of sight, would have been

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hidden behind the brush. So, like I said, it probably

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wasn't until in the last year that I've really figured

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out that maybe that was a first encounter I've had

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with a sasquatch. Now and I rolled forward about another

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ten years in my mid thirties, and again I'm hunting,

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and I've been hunting all these years too much, honey,

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it's my whole. That was my hobby. It was I

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was working or I was hunting. At that point in

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my life. I wasn't even really a pastor or slightly

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involved in church ancillary, but that wasn't really a driver.

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But it was about ten years later in me and

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my dad, this is a spot that I'd hunted a

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lot and a favorite one of my hunting places. I

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would I had my particular route I would take up

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into the hills. It was an all day hike. I

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would leave camp, like I said before, the sun came up,

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hike all day and come back and hit camp after

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the sun had dropped, so I could be out where

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the animals were, and so i'd climbed the sales. It

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was an nice day, sunshiny day. Get up and it's

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about ten ten o'clock, ten thirty in the morning, and

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I come to the one of the first areas where

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I would usually sit down and take a mid morning break,

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overlooking a nice canyon where I'd seen deer and out before.

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And so I'm looking down over that canyon and behind

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me is the trail I came in on, and it

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goes down into extremely brushy, brushy canyon which I never saw.

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You hear, yeah, you could hear them from twenty fifty

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one hundred yards away if they went through there. It

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was so thick with brush. And I'm sitting so I

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sat down. I'm sitting behind this nice big tree I

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usually sit under where I can see the canyon. Get out,

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get out a little snack for breakfast. Sat there for

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maybe ten minutes and something thumps to the ground and

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the bushes about ten feet to my right, and I

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look over and I don't see anything that hit there,

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but on my first instinct, this was a big pine cone,

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maybe fell out of the tree. So I'm looking up

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looking see the tree had pine cones in a big

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pine corona cones that would make that kind of thumping noise,

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or maybe I would see a squirrel up there. But

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usually when you're that close to squirrels in the mountains,

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they're chattering at you. They don't want you, they see you,

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they get scared, they chatter at you. Then every squirrel

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in the area knows there's somebody there that belong but

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there's no chattering of squirrels. And so I sit there,

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and probably five minutes later, something else stumps right next

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to me in the same spot, about ten feet away,

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and I look over and I see this rock about

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the size of a golf ball bounce into the brush.

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There's somebody behind me throwing rocks at me. And I

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pride myself on being really sneaky in the woods. I

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don't want the animals to know I'm there. I don't

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want other hunters to know I'm there. I like to

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get in and get out. If I see other hunters

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and they don't see me, that's an a that's a

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goal of mine, not to be seen, to be just

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part of the wilderness. So that I would be sitting

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there quietly concealed behind this tree and somebody hunter throwing

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rocks at me. That was a disappointing. So I sit

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there real quietly, and now I'm paying more attention to

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listening for what's behind me. And another one plops in

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same spot about the same size rock. Are they all right?

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This is weird. So the tree is large enough where

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you can't see me from the other side, and I'm

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able to stand up real slowly, and my idea is

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to just peer around this tree and figure out who's

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throwing rocks at me. I want to know who's this

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other hunter that would have the nerve to start throwing

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rocks at me and the trees in the woods. That's

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not something you do. It's like kind of joker, is this?

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Maybe it's I know a couple of guys that hunt

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up there. Maybe one of them saw me, And so

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I stand up, and I slowly leaned my head out

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to look around this tree, and I don't see anything.

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And I'm standing there and all I'm just got my

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head hooking out behind this tree, just looking and looking.

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I don't see anything. So I stepped back in behind

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that tree and I'm listening real carefully. I don't hear

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anything another rock. And now this is like, all right,

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I'm frustrated. Now I just walk out and start walking

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in that direction. I don't see, I don't hear anything,

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nothing what throws rocks? So I hunt the rest of

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the day. I get back to camp. Never saw anything,

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never hurt anything. That was all there. It was. And

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so I get back to camp and I said, Dad,

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I said, did you see any hunters come up the

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ridge I was on? Because I would always hunt my ridge.

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He would hunt his ridge this kind of how we

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did it, and we would and he always hunted. He

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didn't go up nearly as eye on the ridges as

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I did, me being younger and healthier, and I would

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go up higher. And he didn't hunt quite as hard

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as me. And he said, no, I didn't see anybody else,

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as when you see anybody maybe park down along the

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just work from him where he would hunt. He could

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see down at the road and kind of the typical

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parking spots where people might park or camp or pull

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over to to hunt up the ridges in that area.

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Would you see anybody? I saw a couple of people

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drive by, but they never stopped, kind of rolled along

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real slow road hunting. But you know, nobody ever got out.

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He says, Wow, So somebody is up there throwing rocks

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at me. He's like, I didn't see anybody. I said,

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where were you at? It said, I was over here

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all day on my ridge, And so again it's it

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was perplexing. The thought that it could have been a

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bigfoot never crossed my mind. I'd never even heard that

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it was. Again until the last few months. As I

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began to just look into the phenomena of bigfoot, I

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learned that they throw rocks. Now these are smaller rocks.

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And now, as I look back, I probably snuck in there,

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sat down behind my tree, and this thing just wanted

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to know what I was and what I was doing there.

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It seemed because as a hunter, I've been hunting in

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seen a brush pocket or something, and I thought maybe

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there was deer in there. But I was in the

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Great Advantage spot. So I would take a big rock

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and throw it down in there and see if I

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could bust a deer out of there or something whatever

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was in there, get him to come out so I

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could see it. I kind of got the feeling as

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I look back at he was probably just trying to

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do that. He just wanted to see who was sitting

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there behind that tree, what I was doing. Anyone is curious,

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That's the feeling I got out. Do I know that,

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absolutely not. I don't read bigfoot minds. A'm not a

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I'm really good at understanding how deer and elk and

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bear operate in the woods, but sasquatch or beyond me.

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But it just felt like whoever was there or whatever

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they're doing, maybe they were just trying to get my attention.

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Maybe they wanted me to step out so they could

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see me, see what I was up to. And now

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that I put it on place, it makes sense there

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was nobody else there. It's impossible. I never heard a

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sound I walked in that direction, never heard her sitting,

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and I didn't see anything. I'm thinking this thing had

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to be a SA squad. And again I think back

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on that now so I started. I started, I don't know,

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I kind of run out of things to watch on TV.

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All the Netflix shows you want to watch, it done

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in that downtime, and I got YouTube up. I like

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to watch a lot of different things on YouTube about

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bushcraft and watch hunters and carpentry work and all kinds

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of stuff. I got plenty of many interests, and so

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YouTube is a great place to go. I come across

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some bigfoot stuff and in my mind, I'm an analytical person.

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I'm like, man, I've been in the mountains for ever,

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and like I said, six eight months ago, I was like,

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there's no bigfoot. They're not real. They'd be cool if

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they were, but they can't be real. I would have

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seen one in all the years of hunting. And then

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I caught what interests. What I really started watching is

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many of the shows with Meldrum on him, who, as

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I understand, recently passed away, but anyway, as a professor

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with his scientific approach to studying their footprints. So that

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interested me. All right, now we have a legitimate professor

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who's doing in some tiny scientific studies on the footprints,

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and he's convinced there's something out there. I forget exactly

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how he used to say it, but he says there's

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some unknown bipedal primate out there making some of these tracks.

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They're not some of these are not fake. And so

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it got me interested. So I began to watch it,

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and I read about or what watch these shows about

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how they would throw those rocks, and I think, my gosh,

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this that's it. That's what was happening. No other creature

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in the woods throws rocks except a person or I

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guess now sasquatch. And there's no way it was a person.

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And I also watched I'm Gonna Throw I don't know

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that there's really any experts on sasquatch. I know people

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spend a lot of time studying them, but the evidence

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is somewhat mostly fut prints. Obviously great evidence, but when

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you get into the the court system and when you

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really want to find evidence that firsthand visual experiences is

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a week, it is one of the weaker forms of evidence.

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I'm convinced that I saw something unusual that day when

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that had to be, but wasn't a bear. There's nothing

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fits it. And I'm also convinced that nothing else has

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ever thrown rocks at me. In the woods ever that

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there's something going on, But anyway, I think, how did

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it get away from me? And then I began to

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hear stories about how they would they would sometimes move

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around on all fours really swiftly, or I think I

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heard wanting was crab walking, and I think, how could

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this creature elude someone who's experienced in me hunting? And

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to give the context, I think I shot my first year.

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And I don't want to offend anybody who might listen

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who's opposed to hunting. I understand that, and it's not

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my intent to offend anybody with this, But I shot

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my first dear when I was fifteen, and up until

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laid in my fifties, I shot at least one deer

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or an elk or a bear every year of my life,

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so nearly forty over forty years of successful hunting every year.

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So i'm I would say, I'm prett accomplished at it.

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And none of them were all of them self guided,

460
00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:42.839
so it's not like it's one of those guys that

461
00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:44.839
pay somebody five thousand dollars to put me in a

462
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.559
deer standing kills say these were all self guided, just

463
00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:50.200
me and my dad or me by myself or a

464
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:53.759
couple of friends, the hunting in the mountains, but I'd

465
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:58.039
never seen anything. And then people at people say, where's

466
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.200
the skeletal evidence, where's the carcass? Why I haven't found

467
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:05.799
a dead one? How many I've spent over forty years

468
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:11.480
in the mountains. You know how many bear carcasses I found? Zero?

469
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:15.319
And you know what, there's gotta be a everybody agrees

470
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.359
there's more bear in the Rocky mountains than there are

471
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:22.519
big foot. You know how many cougars I've found dead? Zero?

472
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.759
I found plenty of deer, plenty of olk that were

473
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:31.640
killed by various weeds, maybe by wolves or disease or automobiles.

474
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:35.000
But never have I ever found a carcass that was

475
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:37.680
a bear or an olk. So excuse me, a bar

476
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.480
of cougar. So why would I expect to ever find

477
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.279
a dead scott sasquatch. They would have to be more

478
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.079
rare in order to escape our attention. So I don't

479
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.039
see that as as really an argument for why they

480
00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:54.839
don't exist. And like I said to having watched that one,

481
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.160
and I'm assuming it was a big foot now these

482
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:01.039
many years later, as it crossed the canyon, I think

483
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:04.440
about the way it moved, and that's the fluid nature

484
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.599
of its movement and how quickly you could shift directions

485
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.240
and shift his but so fluidly. When I hear about

486
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.720
these people that think the bigfoots there and it disappears,

487
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.400
I've seen Elk do that, and they're not magical. These

488
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.599
things are. Elk can be like a ghost, they can

489
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:25.200
sound like a freight train, or they can just slip

490
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.720
away like a ghost. And even Elk can do that

491
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:34.720
with his giant hoofs that crack and smash prelimbs on

492
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:44.599
the ground. Then why couldn't soft footed sasquatch maneuver better, faster, quicker,

493
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:51.119
designed for that type of thing. So I don't know.

494
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.079
While I never I didn't have a lot of experiences,

495
00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:01.759
I can't. I can't rule out the the abilities of

496
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:04.160
these things. And as I said earlier in the meaning,

497
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.880
I'm a pastor and I had been a pastor for

498
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:12.400
in the ministry for over twenty years now, and I

499
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:16.200
can I don't know. I think there's maybe this does

500
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:19.039
maybe they thought of a bigfoot, or I'll throw it

501
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:22.519
out there, or space aliens would would cause somebody to

502
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.599
stumble in their faith about about about God or their

503
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.640
belief and it doesn't I don't. It doesn't have to.

504
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.039
And you can go back in history and look at

505
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:36.279
what the Church has done to science. Galileo was he

506
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:40.160
was a labeled heretic because of his of his belief

507
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:45.480
in his identification of the solar system that the Sun

508
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:49.440
was at the center and not Earth, and early Christians

509
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.519
fell away, We're the most important thing got made, so

510
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.319
obviously the whole universe revolves around us, and so he

511
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:59.440
was labeled a heretic. And another gentleman about the same

512
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:04.079
time period Gerdano Bruno, who was a philosopher and a cosmologist.

513
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.279
He was burned at the state in the Inquisition in

514
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:12.960
Rome because he would not recant from the heresty of

515
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:18.400
believing that the universe was infinite. So I went through

516
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.640
a time in my I'm going to get it into

517
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.200
a little spiritual side because I think it's important for

518
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.359
Christians and people they don't have to you don't have

519
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.400
to discount God, or you don't have to lose faith

520
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:34.480
in God because of a bigfoot aliens. Yeah, because yeah,

521
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.640
I mean it's Christians and scientists have been at odds

522
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.279
many times in history, but God in science has never been.

523
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:46.759
God created science. He created quantum physics, He created space

524
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.599
and time. He is not bound by space and time.

525
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.160
He created all that there is. He created an infinite universe,

526
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.440
and we're the only people in it. We're the only humans,

527
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:59.400
only beings in it. That he died for That Christ

528
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:02.680
died for great then he created us an infinite universe

529
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.759
because he loves us so much and he's so powerful.

530
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.759
If he wanted to see this magnificent universe and he

531
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.160
wanted us to experience the greatness of who he is.

532
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.240
But if he put a million other planets out there

533
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:17.559
across the expanse of an infinite universe, and he's present

534
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.440
on all of them, the Bible doesn't talk about that.

535
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:23.000
The Bible doesn't say yes or no, just like the

536
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.599
Bible doesn't have any stance on whether Bigfoot is real

537
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.559
or not. We don't have to allow these things to

538
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.160
shake us spiritually or in our Christian faith at all.

539
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:37.480
And because the Church has historically made some big blunders

540
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:43.039
on science, having excommunicated the Galileo who was proven right,

541
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.000
and so was Bruno who was burned at the Steak,

542
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.119
I would like people to realize that you don't have

543
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.720
to an experience of any nature, doesn't have to any

544
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.640
way take away from your faith in God out there

545
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:04.680
mutually acceptable. Yeah, at least nobody's ever found me yet exactly.

546
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.759
And I'm a Christian as well. And the way, because

547
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.720
I've thought about this a lot too, and the way

548
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.559
I also look at it is so if you look

549
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.240
at the Bible, you look at the whole thing, you

550
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.640
think of all the stuff that's happened in it. There's

551
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.960
a lot of weird stuff in it. There's a lot

552
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:28.759
of not normal things in there, And so why do

553
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:34.200
we not expect there to be weird stuff and stuff

554
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:38.640
out of the ordinary in our world today? That type

555
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.039
of thinking just does not make sense to me. How

556
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:46.759
people can be okay with okay, yeah, just really behemoth

557
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:50.599
in the Old Testament and just different things like that,

558
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.319
and then today we don't have that anymore, I don't think.

559
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:53.400
So.

560
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.079
I think it's not crazy to think that there could

561
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:01.160
be things like Bigfoot or you could talk about other

562
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.960
cryptids involved with that as well. And now there's different

563
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.119
ways to look into that. On the religious side, there's

564
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.880
people that think maybe they're demons, maybe they are giants,

565
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.279
or nephilim or There's so many different ways to think

566
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:20.640
about what Bigfoot could be on the religious side, But

567
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.480
do you have any thoughts about is that anything you've

568
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.640
ever thought of trying to figure out how that fits

569
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:28.799
into your worldview?

570
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.119
Yeah, no, it's I have. I have quite a bit

571
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.279
of thought on that, and I'm pretty confident in my

572
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.680
position on it, and that is that what one hundred

573
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.640
and fifty years ago, in the last one hundred fifty years, gorillas,

574
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:50.240
gorilla would be that wasn't it was believed not to exist.

575
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.039
One hundred fift years ago. On hundred ft years ago,

576
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.200
you'd talk about gorillas in the giant squid. You would

577
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:59.400
have been talking to fairy tales in monsters that weren't real.

578
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.480
Yet they'd both proven out to be real. And when

579
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:08.680
I think about Bigfoot, all right, so the likelihood of

580
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:14.240
a sasquatch being real living in the world, if I

581
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.839
look at it just intellectually, it's probably pretty low probability

582
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:25.319
that it could be. But if one shows up, then wow,

583
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:29.079
God created this creature that could hide, is so giant,

584
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:34.039
so big, so powerful, that could hide from us seemingly

585
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.880
in our backyards, just out in the mountains and out

586
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.599
in the trees in the forest. He made a spectacular creature.

587
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.160
Here would I Why would I be anything but excited

588
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:52.079
about what he did? And and people talk about the

589
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.559
possibility of Bigfoot being like a Nephelom or a giant

590
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.680
from old Yeah, first off, nephelm is a very controversial

591
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.240
so object to all theologians, and it has been for

592
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.400
hundreds of years. Somebody wants to hypothesize that Sasquatch could

593
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.640
be Nephlum. I'm okay with that. It's a non from

594
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.960
a Christian perspective. It's a nonsalvation issue. In other words,

595
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:16.799
if you believe it or you don't believe, you're going

596
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:19.440
to heaven. Either way, one belief or the other is

597
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:21.519
not going to keep you from heavens Okay, fine, believe that.

598
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.720
I tend to not go that route just because I

599
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.960
don't because it is such a controversial subject in Nephlom.

600
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:35.160
And I don't see scripture that really. I sometimes I

601
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.079
think scripture used like when they were talking about when

602
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.079
they're about to cross the Jordan for the first time

603
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:43.119
into the Promised Land. They came back and they were

604
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.960
talking about the giants and the Nephlum. I think that

605
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.960
was more of a metaphorical statement about the size of

606
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:50.680
these people. But you know what, if we had ran

607
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.240
in Shaquille O'Neil back then, we would have thought we

608
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.440
ran into a giant. And giants were there even under

609
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:01.440
David's time, when Goliath and his four brothers obviously very large,

610
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:06.240
very large people. But we have very large people today.

611
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.960
So do I think they're That's something I don't think.

612
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.440
So I don't think it fits. I don't think if

613
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.360
it's by believed. But again, I definitely would not want,

614
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.599
ever want to divide over that or call somebody anything

615
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.599
other than that's. That's fine, It's okay believe. Now, Could

616
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.039
they be the giants of old from the Old Testament

617
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.039
and such? I doubt it. I'm more inclined to believe

618
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.840
that they're I don't know. That's I don't know, But

619
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:33.159
I say, I don't have to fit it into a

620
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.440
Christian worldview. All I have to do is look at

621
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:41.559
it from the perspective. Does the Bible exclude or specifically

622
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.480
include the possibility, And it's silent on the subject as

623
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.960
far as I can tell, So I don't The Bible

624
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:52.400
doesn't it's not a scientific book. It's not meant to

625
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.400
be scientific. If you go back to the whole debate

626
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.239
about know we're getting off track, but I think it

627
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:04.360
creates worldview perspective about Christianity and Sasquatch. But the whole

628
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.199
debate about youngers old you know, olders. I don't think

629
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.039
the early Israeli prior to the Israelites, when from the

630
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.400
time of Adam and Eve, whether you believe it's metaphorical

631
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.079
Adam and Eve or literal, I don't want to get

632
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:20.360
into that debate. But from then on, by word of mouth,

633
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:24.000
by family talking, they passed down through the generations up

634
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.599
until Moses came along and wrote it down, the tales

635
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.400
of the early life on Earth and the Garden and

636
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.119
the creation. Do you think that the Israelites had any

637
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.519
reason to understand what thirteen point seven billion years was.

638
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.960
They counted maybe one hundred and fifty sheep at a

639
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.800
time they were They could not have comprehended thirteen point

640
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.199
seven billion. So God is not going to then incorporate

641
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.960
into their theology the idea that the universe is thirteen

642
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.239
point seven billion years old, young Earth older. We can

643
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.119
debate that all we want but it's not a scientific journal.

644
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.559
It's not meant to be. It's a spiritual book that

645
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.559
takes the life of the events in people's lives and

646
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.039
teaches spiritual and moral lessons for us to see. And

647
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:18.079
it's inspired by God. I believe that hundred percent, no

648
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:20.519
doubt it's God. If God could create the heavens, in

649
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.679
the earth and the universe, he could definitely preserve his

650
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:26.519
word from the time that Moses began to write it

651
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.119
until all the other prophets. It would be a simple

652
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.400
matter for the creator of the universe to maintain his

653
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.599
word through history. Oh sure, I don't have to doubt. Yeah,

654
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.880
I don't have to doubt it's legitimacy. But that's one

655
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.360
of the things I left out. And maybe you have

656
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.039
some more questions on what we're just talking about, but

657
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:42.280
I just want to throw it out to refer to

658
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:48.760
forget since that first encounter where that bear sasquatch, Dear help,

659
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.519
whatever that thing was that did not fit in any

660
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:56.599
of my pictures of what animals should look like, that

661
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:01.599
has such an impact on me emotionally that to this day,

662
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.880
whenever I have a dream about hunting and I bag

663
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:10.280
an animal, that creature. What I get was I begin

664
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.199
to walk up towards it, it begins to morph and

665
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:19.039
change into a human. It was very upsetting for me.

666
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.199
I think that maybe expresses how upsetting it was for

667
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.400
me that I had pointed my rifle at something that

668
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.199
maybe was a person and now it was a sausquatch.

669
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.239
I've come to believe now that maybe that's what I

670
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.920
was seeing, because it was very upsetting for me. And

671
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:33.400
I don't think that was I don't think that's a

672
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:37.000
spiritual event. I don't think the saucequatch caused those dreams.

673
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.760
I think it was the emotion and how dreadful it

674
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.400
was that I had pointed my rifle at what could

675
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:44.920
have been a human. So, yeah, even today when I

676
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.679
have dreams about hunting, they always morph into a human

677
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.119
when I get there wearing antlers or its slowly just

678
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.239
change and it's very unnerving, nerving dream.

679
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.719
So that is really interesting, And that's happened for years.

680
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:02.960
Then, oh, yeah, it's happened for yeah, twenty five thirty years.

681
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.039
I had least fie dreams.

682
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.360
Yeah, talking about the canyon sighting that you had, so

683
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:11.639
you went over to the other side, You're seeing that

684
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:15.039
the brush was really high, So were you able to

685
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:20.039
estimate then how tall whatever that was would have had

686
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.320
to have been in order for you to see it.

687
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:29.480
That brush from where it could have walked. I could

688
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.159
never There was only a few places where I could

689
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:35.360
look through the brush clearly and see where I had

690
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.159
been sitting across it. And I'm six foot, so that

691
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.239
means most of the there's only two or three spots

692
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.239
where the brush was low enough for me to see,

693
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:48.199
and a lot of it was seventy eight feet tall,

694
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.559
So I would have to estimate that it was over

695
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.039
six foot easy could have been seven. It's really hard

696
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.119
to tell, but it had to be at least that tall. Yeah,

697
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.239
otherwise I would have seen it at all.

698
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:04.880
So this, I believe you said it was at Hell's Canyon.

699
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.559
Is this on the border that area?

700
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.480
Yeah? Yeah, it's on the border of Idaho and Washington.

701
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:13.519
Okay.

702
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:14.400
Yeah.

703
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.320
And have you looked to see if anyone else has

704
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.840
had experiences similar to that in that area or heard

705
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:22.760
any other things?

706
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.400
Very little, there's very little and remind me and everything.

707
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.920
I want to go back to that my dad's hunting,

708
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.719
But I'm going to touch on this topic here. You

709
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.480
were talking about very little. And as I I use

710
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.320
this term loosely research to say that I've researched, it

711
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:42.079
would be it would be an insult to true scientists.

712
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.320
Two researchers. But having looked at like all the sites

713
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.519
I could find on bigfoot sightings and stuff, most of

714
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.159
the sidings tend to be north of the McCall at

715
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:57.840
Loon Lake area north of that, and then of course west,

716
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.079
so we're into Washington, and then when you get over

717
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:05.920
into Oregon, they tend to be more on the western

718
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:10.400
edge of Oregon. And if you're not familiar with the train,

719
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.280
I've driven out all that area a lot, from here

720
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.280
to Oregon coast, from here up in the Washington and

721
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.000
I've been thinking a lot about this give a context

722
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.320
to why I think what I'm going to say is

723
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.800
one of my primary ways of hunting is to hunt

724
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.199
the migration routes. I try to figure out where the

725
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.679
animals will migrate, where they'll shift from the high country

726
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.800
to the low country, trying to get their patterns and

727
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.239
how they move. And I try to set myself up

728
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.679
in those locations with the idea that today I see

729
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:43.559
nothing tomorrow as it gets later in the year. It's

730
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.000
only going to increase my odds, and it's proven to

731
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.159
be very successful. So I think a lot about the

732
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:50.199
weather when I'm in the mountains. I think a lot

733
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.320
about the terrain and the funnels where the animals will move.

734
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:55.280
And it has occurred to me as I was looking

735
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.000
at all this and reading about the Sasquatch, and you'll

736
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:03.360
notice at least this section of the state where I

737
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.760
spend all my time south of acall over to Hell's

738
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.480
Canyon and down, it's very dry. Even when you're in

739
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:12.559
the trees. It's much drier than when you get up

740
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:16.159
into northern Idaho. And of course if you go off

741
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.440
to the coast into California, they're off the Pacific side

742
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.559
of the continent where you're getting a lot more moisture

743
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:27.679
in those California redwoods and a lot more moisture. There

744
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.440
are a ton of moisture on the Oregon coast leading

745
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.840
up into the until you get over towards Bake Baker

746
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.119
and then it starts to get dry. And you'll see

747
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.679
that also in Washington kind of loops around. The cold

748
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.880
the dampness kind of loops around up north into northern Idaho.

749
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.639
I've heard it said that sasquatch red scene and videos

750
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.079
tend to go where there's bear, there could be sasquatched.

751
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.360
I think so. I honestly, I think if I look

752
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.000
at the patterns, I kind of see more that they

753
00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.360
want the more moisture. They want moisture areas, and so

754
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:03.960
where I'm at, it's dry, and it's a lot of

755
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.679
high mountain desert, a lot of sagebrush, and then you

756
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.559
just touch into the trees, and so a lot of

757
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:13.199
what I saw my experiences were at the edges of

758
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.559
the trees above the sagebrush, that kind of that transition

759
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.280
area with animals. Saying so, I think, and the reason

760
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:23.280
we don't see a lot of activity in this particular

761
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.519
area is because it's more of a pass through area.

762
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.119
They may come through. Maybe you got a young male

763
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:31.079
looking for a new location to hang out because he's

764
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:34.679
more populated, he's adventuring. But I don't think it's like

765
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:36.840
an area they would hang out in. I think they

766
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.119
want someplace a little more moist And I think down

767
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.280
this stretch along this lower half of Idaho, it's a

768
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.760
little dry, and I think they would want to again

769
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.559
do I know this, I have speculation totally speculation, but

770
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.360
that's where I'm thinking the activity is going to be

771
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:55.519
in more moist areas.

772
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:57.320
Yeah, absolutely, if you look.

773
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:03.199
I've tried to come up with formulas like, Okay, how

774
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.719
do I figure out what are the most squatchy areas

775
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.719
in the US. And there was this great Actually there's

776
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.880
a great article about it on ANYWAC site or a

777
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:17.599
wood ape site where they talk about how most sightings

778
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.880
happen when I believe it's over, it's a certain amount

779
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.280
of annual rainfall and it might be thirty six around there.

780
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.800
I'd have to look it up again, but that is

781
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.880
an interest. So if you take that into consideration, yeah,

782
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.960
the weather place is gonna be I think you have

783
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.920
more of a chance for sure. But the only thing

784
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:43.519
I was able to find about Hell's Canyon as I

785
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.760
did a little research too, is a gentleman who talks

786
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:51.760
about he's a guy into Bigfoot names Owa, he Jack,

787
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.079
He's got a cool website. He was writing atv up

788
00:43:56.159 --> 00:44:02.360
lind Saddle around Hell's Canyon in Idaho and had a

789
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.679
all of a sudden got a feeling like do not

790
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.800
go any further, Like one of those whereas you go further,

791
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:12.960
you're going to have issues. So they turned around, actually

792
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.800
they stopped the ATV, turned it around. Then they tried

793
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.119
just hiking up a little bit. They couldn't do that either,

794
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.360
and it felt like there was almost like some kind

795
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.360
of physical wall preventing them from going any further into

796
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.519
It's a weird thing that happened.

797
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:28.559
In the same area.

798
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:32.679
So, yeah, that would be that would be west of

799
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:36.119
where I had most of my experiences. But yeah, I

800
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.519
know we're Lynn Saddle Is up above the Snake, one

801
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.320
of the tributary type canyons that run down the Snake

802
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.880
that goes through Hills Canyon. Yeah, beautiful country, thick, heavy country.

803
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:51.039
But yeah, I found that interesting. You said we're the

804
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.199
rainfall thirty six inches, because yeah, that's when you get

805
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.360
a little north north in Idaho. And also, like I said,

806
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.800
over towards the coast more and I think you get

807
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.639
back to the Tennessee areas and the Virginia's and all that,

808
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.480
they got more rainfall there than we do here. So

809
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.559
I think that's why Missouri. I think that's why. And

810
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.039
maybe we don't see as many here because it's just

811
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.400
a little too dry. Now they we'll go through here.

812
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.880
But I think they want something a little more moist.

813
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:18.519
I think they want a little more rainfall.

814
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.159
Absolutely, when you when your dad showed you that picture,

815
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.400
did he mention at all, like where the picture was

816
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.880
taken or was that a nod detail that came out.

817
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.519
No, that's that's what I wanted to go back to,

818
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:33.320
I said. A couple of years, we go back to that.

819
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:41.280
So that was west of Pregosia Springs, between Pregosia Springs

820
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:42.440
and Durango.

821
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:45.920
In Colorado.

822
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:54.559
Yes, And I think that between the outside of Durango

823
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:57.679
was where they had that video. I think last year

824
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.000
before it came out, there were people on a train

825
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.760
and out in the middle off the side of the

826
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:06.960
mountain there they saw, well it looks like a sasquatch.

827
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.599
Oh yeah, a long too. Yeah.

828
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:16.719
So yeah, with videos.

829
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.760
And that was sixties when he took that, it was.

830
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.159
Totally okay, so I would it was.

831
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.400
So the community really dug into that one, and they

832
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.679
found the exact costume from if you like to look

833
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.440
at it really close, like some dude found the exact

834
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:35.320
I can't remember who the guy was, but he found

835
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.280
the exact costume on name was honest, like, oh man,

836
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:39.000
that's too bad.

837
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:41.239
I hate it when that happens.

838
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:46.159
But yeah, yeah, that one was unfortunately not a PG film.

839
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:50.199
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's too bad. I could see people

840
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.559
have fun doing that sort of thing, making people out

841
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:54.559
get the whole train decided. They get to see the

842
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:57.960
Stells on YouTube run across the hills. But anyway, that's

843
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.079
the area whether that where he took that the photo.

844
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:03.599
And like I said, he never brought that photo out again,

845
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:06.119
never talked about it again. In all the years I

846
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.280
hunted with him, he never mentioned the Bigfoot again. He

847
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:11.639
was It was just not a subject we ever talked about.

848
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.000
And I don't know, I don't know why. But like

849
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:16.960
I said, I've never been I've never been afraid in

850
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.239
the mountains even after because I've been been out there

851
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:25.199
over forty years now fifty fifty years, and I figured

852
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:31.760
if it was dangerous, I'd probably already had a dangerous encounter.

853
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.519
So I'm thinking that it's safe. I'm thinking it's safe

854
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.880
if they're there, they're okay with me being there. But

855
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.360
I'll tell you one thing you hear about guys, I

856
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:43.480
want to go shoot one. I could never do it.

857
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.400
I could never do it. It would be an impossibility

858
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.360
for me that first, that encounter across the Canye, when

859
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.239
I put my scope on that, and now I think

860
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:55.880
back on it, I don't know what If they are

861
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.360
more than just an animal, I don't I would not

862
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:03.400
want to be. I would rather know they exist, see

863
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:07.679
it and watch it walk away, then be the guy

864
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.880
that harmborn. I couldn't do it.

865
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:14.719
That's the thing, right because I man, I can't imagine

866
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.760
being in that situation. And then you look into I

867
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:23.360
don't know if you've seen the documentary that Small Town

868
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:29.440
Monsters put out about justin Smaha, the individual that allegedly

869
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:35.440
shot a bigfoot in this year in Nevada's doubt. That's

870
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.840
around the twenty tens, so just long enough so that

871
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:44.000
people are forgetting it, and it really affected this guy emotionally.

872
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.199
It's they're still they're interviewing him and it's like you

873
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:49.679
tell that he is, He's right back there at it.

874
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.719
And it's a very intense documentary. If you haven't checked

875
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.519
that out, I would recommend you do so it's well done.

876
00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:00.559
But yeah, the whoever, any individual that is in that situation,

877
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.400
they're going to have to really deal with a lot

878
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:05.000
of fallout.

879
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:09.280
I think for different reasons. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

880
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.079
Also, I would say there's probably a few listeners after

881
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:19.000
the whole Pagosa Springs, So just because that one incident

882
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.880
happened doesn't mean there couldn't be bigfoot around Pagosa Springs.

883
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:25.679
I think I had a talk to an individual where

884
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.840
they actually had seen one. I believe it's hit by

885
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.239
a car in Pagosa Springs just about a year ago.

886
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:38.119
I do a call in show in the Gentleman called in,

887
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.079
so I know there is activity in that area over

888
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:45.920
the years, but it's been an extremely interesting conversation.

889
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:48.000
Would you ever.

890
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.719
Get to the point or I guess I'll ask it

891
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.159
this way. Have you ever gone on like an actual

892
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:59.280
expedition or is it a thing where you're out there hunting,

893
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.320
fishing and it's just in the back of your mind

894
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:04.320
and you're ready for if something happens, you'll know what

895
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:04.960
you're looking at.

896
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.760
Yeah. No, that's where I'm at. I've never gone out

897
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.800
with a purpose to hunt a fine wand and call

898
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:17.159
myself that that and really the very idea that's only

899
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:19.039
came up in the last year or so. I have

900
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.199
to say when I was out hunting this year. First off,

901
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.639
do they have telepathy? Can they mind speak which has

902
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:27.199
formed I don't know. I don't know of any other

903
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.920
creature on earth that does that. So I'm skeptical. But

904
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:35.199
that's okay. I'm still skeptical about the very existence of them.

905
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.559
And here I am talking with you that one would

906
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.639
have to actually talk to me in my mind before

907
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.280
I believe it. But I don't want to discount other

908
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.000
people's experiences, though that's not my point either. That's one

909
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.840
of the I can't. I don't want to be that

910
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.920
kind of person either, to discount someone's other experiences. But I,

911
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:56.679
as I was walking around the woods this year on

912
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.360
my hunt, I pray talk to God. It's more like

913
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.719
a talk when I say, it's more of a conversation

914
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:03.960
than I have on my side with God and stuff.

915
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:05.800
And I'm talking to if there's a big foot out

916
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:07.519
the if they're real and they really have telepathy, I

917
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.519
would like to experience that, but I don't want to

918
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:13.239
step over any spiritual lines or anything like that. And

919
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.760
so did I hear anything back? No, I didn't. I

920
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.440
did not, but I did I did see something that

921
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.639
it was unclear again what that was. Something moved to

922
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.880
the brush, probably only about forty fifty yards from me,

923
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.280
very swiftly, very smooth, quick, and it was gone. Never

924
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:36.679
heard it, never wrong color again to be an elk

925
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.039
or a deer, couldn't have been a bear. It was

926
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.000
right after a four wheeler had gone by, a couple

927
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.800
of guys coming through. They were And whenever I hear

928
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.760
somebody coming and I'm on a trail, I step off again.

929
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:48.840
I don't want to. I don't want them to go

930
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.480
on there. That's just where I am. I like to

931
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.159
be hidden, So I step off. I'm hiding behind brush,

932
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.079
and then I keep going if to go back, And

933
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.159
here they come back the other way again, those guys,

934
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.920
And so I'm looking back as they drive past, and

935
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:03.760
I was standing in the brush, and when they went

936
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.519
around this corner, something just moved right out of that

937
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.840
corner where they had been, right forty fifty yards for me.

938
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:15.320
And I'm thinking, that doesn't even make sense. How did

939
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.559
whatever it was get there without me hearing it? Again?

940
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.239
They drove right pasted it. Didn't see it. I didn't.

941
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.519
I'm looking for antlers, I'm looking for a head, I'm

942
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.239
looking for anything that would be looking for color. Nothing

943
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.920
And it was gone in about two seconds. Whatever it was.

944
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.320
But again, now I'm beginning to see a sausquatch everywhere.

945
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.440
So is that a real experience or is it just

946
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.280
my mind playing tricks on me. Yeah, it's hard to tell. No,

947
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:42.119
I have never been out with the purpose of finding one,

948
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.159
but I'm aware now I'll look around. It would be

949
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.239
really great. I would be really great. I'm not a

950
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.760
lot of people have very frightening experiences, but I think

951
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:53.800
part of that is I've been thinking about that too.

952
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.360
Let me put it this way. I'm not scared. I'm

953
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.679
not scared of snakes. I'm not scared of spiders, not

954
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:05.800
scared to bear. But there's a proximity thing. When that

955
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:09.880
spider crawls across my eyelid, I'm freaked out. When a

956
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.800
snake is crawling up my pants leg, I'm screaming like

957
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.119
a girl. Am I afraid of I'm no, No, I

958
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.000
see one, I'm not afraid of one. And if I

959
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:22.039
see sasquatch across the canyon, am I afraid of it? No?

960
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:24.760
But if it catched me on the shoulder and I

961
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.920
turn around and see a ten foot giant stand behind me,

962
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.360
maybe I'll scream like a girl. It's proximity and so

963
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.679
when I go out there, I don't have any fear.

964
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.480
But then again, if one jumps out behind a bush,

965
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.079
who knows what will happen to me? And so I

966
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.360
think people to go out there and not expected anything

967
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.599
and come into a close contact with one, they're frightened,

968
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.440
and I think it impacts them the rest of their life,

969
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:48.960
even though I don't think they need to be. Like

970
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.039
I said, there's we don't have sasquatch killing people all

971
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.760
over the place, so I don't think they're out there

972
00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:58.639
to cause us harm. Again, I'm not an expert. I'm

973
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.920
just speculating based on anecdotal evidence.

974
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.320
So absolutely I think, yeah, I agree with you. If

975
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:10.840
there were there's things like that happening, we'd be hearing

976
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.840
more about it because there would there would be You'd

977
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.119
think there would be people to tell the story. I

978
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:20.440
think that might happen when people are out there solo

979
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:24.440
sometimes unfortunately, and then the story is just never told

980
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.679
because there was only one person present and they were

981
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.320
the victim or whatever. But I don't think it's a

982
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:33.760
widespread thing for sure. But the last thing that you

983
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:37.559
had mentioned where you saw something for a few seconds,

984
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.760
was that also in the Hell's Canyon area.

985
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:45.400
No, that was closer towards It was further further east

986
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:50.119
from there. Yeah, yeah, a little different location. I don't

987
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:54.159
want to get too specific because well, and it's not

988
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.239
like too Like I said earlier, I don't think that

989
00:54:56.320 --> 00:54:58.400
this is a place where they hang out. I think

990
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.639
if they are here, their past through, maybe spend a

991
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:03.719
few days. I don't think it's someplace that they're going

992
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:06.320
to put down roots like they would anywhere else. So

993
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.760
I don't think it'd be as much time as I

994
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:12.119
spent up in the mountains in this area. You just

995
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.840
think they would probably be just passing through. I don't

996
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:16.960
think it would be anybody good to know exactly where

997
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:21.880
went back to here every year for fifteen twenty years and

998
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.400
never saw one again, and they never None of these

999
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:28.519
experiences have ever fighting me off. So yeah, I don't

1000
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.559
think I wouldn't put an expedition together to go to

1001
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:32.440
some of the expots. Just not enough I don't see

1002
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:36.119
enough evidence. That's why I think better transitory just move through.

1003
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.559
Gotcha makes sense, Jeffrey.

1004
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.039
I appreciate you you coming on the show and sharing

1005
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:46.000
what you have experienced over the years and also your

1006
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:49.199
viewpoint as a pastor, and I feel that might help

1007
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:52.239
a few listeners that might have had experiences but that

1008
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.480
are also religious and don't want to come forward because

1009
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.400
of that, and just to let them know that, hey,

1010
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:03.039
it's okay to be able to share what happened and

1011
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:06.360
it doesn't have to go against what you hold with

1012
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:07.159
your beliefs.

1013
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.480
Yeah, so there was a pleasure great talking with you,

1014
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:14.400
and glad I could hopefully provide some good information for

1015
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.760
your listeners and some entertainment.

1016
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.000
Of nothing else fantastic.

1017
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.559
If anything else happens out there in Idaho, feel free

1018
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.920
to reach out. We'd love to hear from you again.

1019
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:27.880
But thank you so much for being on the show, Jeffrey.

1020
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:30.440
Yeah, you're very welcome. Thank you for having me.

1021
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:33.039
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1022
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:36.320
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1023
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.079
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1024
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.960
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1025
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:46.239
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1026
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:49.719
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something

1027
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:52.719
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

1028
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:56.719
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

1029
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:59.559
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

1030
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:03.480
you're firefighter, paramedic or search and rescue responder who's heard

1031
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:07.000
screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're

1032
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.760
in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or

1033
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:14.159
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1034
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:18.039
that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist,

1035
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:21.960
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1036
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.360
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1037
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.639
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1038
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.920
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1039
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:35.360
you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or anything with

1040
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.840
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1041
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:44.920
want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You

1042
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.360
can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1043
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:51.239
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1044
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:57.039
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

1045
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:01.559
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1046
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