"I Encountered Bigfoot While Mining for Gold in 1992"

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But here's the deal. I've had
experiences in my life and I can't explain

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I've had. I've had three experiences
in my life that petrified me, literally

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scared me so bad. I couldn't
I couldn't move, I couldn't breathe.

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He says, you mean big clim
Uncle Jerry, And I said, yeah,

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as a matter of fact, Travis, that's what I'm talking about.

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He says. There's two of them
on the lease. What he sends me

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a picture from Catto Lake, which
is not too far from their Cattle Lake.

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He sends me a picture of an
eighteen inch foot print from Cato Lake.

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He says, Uncle Jerry, there's
two of them on this property.

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He says. They throw walks at
me, they followed, They followed me

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out of the lease, he says, And you can hear them out there,

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all right, big Faca, the
privilege of talking to mister Jerry Lancaster

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from Colorado's Springs, Colorado. How's
it going today, Jerry. I'm doing

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good. It's pretty rainy tonight,
lots of thunder, so you might hear

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that in the background, but it's
it's a good day. I love it.

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That'll be a good ambiance for sure. So Jerry, we were talking

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a little bit before I hit record, and you've got quite the background.

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Do you mind sharing a little bit
about what kind of things you've been into

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over the years. Well, first
off, full disclosure. Like we talked

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about, I'm not a big book
researcher. I'm I'm an amateur researcher.

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I've I've When I get interested in
something, I will research it to death.

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I've just been always been the curiosity
of mine. My background as a

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merchant, marine, a firefighter,
IM a gold miner um. People today

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call it bushcraft. Back in the
day, we just called it backhountry.

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I did a lot of that as
a kid. Today, I'm I'm a

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professional chef. I switched careers as
a professional electrician to become a professional chef.

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That's what I do today. Um
gosh, what else. I'm a

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member of life safety at my I
belong to a a church here in town.

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It's a pretty big church. I'm
a member of life safety there why

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fulfilled duties as a first responder and
a member of security. Outside of that,

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I that that's pretty much it.
M And I'm nervous as I can

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be. I got to be crazy
doing this, I swear because you know

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this stuff just so basically, let
me take you back to that photograph I

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sent you of me when I was
about twenty four years old, and just

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to show you I'm not playing around. This is me at twenty four and

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that was on Maxwell's Creek on Lake
McClure in northern California. I was a

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member of about a five or six
man team. We were amateur gold miners.

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We spent a lot of time up
in the back country. Because here's

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the deal. If you want to
find gold, you can't pull over and

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just go pan for it. There's
lots of gold out in those mountains,

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but you've got to go back where
nobody's been for at least two three hundred

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years at least, you know,
get back to where people haven't been.

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And so that's what we did a
lot of. And I said all that

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to say this. I was in
a place just east of Cultureville. If

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you look it up on the map, coult Cultureville, a very old mining

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town. I was back in a
place called Odtown. If you look up

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on a GS USGS quadrangle of the
Buckhorn quadrangle, you'll find kat Town right

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there. It's an old mining settlement. Ruins are still there. But I

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was up there on my own,
as I did a lot. We used

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to go back and scout places that
we could mind actively mind plaster mind high

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Bank. Um. Now, this
is probably about seven miles back from Coulterville.

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It's it's quite of ways. Once
you get to Kattown, you park

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and you basically start working your way
to the backside of Yosemite National Park.

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And in this area there's a big
there's a big canyon right there. The

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Tuolomie River, which comes out of
Yosemite, runs right through that. That's

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one of the one of the tributaries
that feeds Maxwell's Creek. And I was

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back there just we called it,
we called it Dincin and that just means

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go down the creek to see if
you find you color, If we find

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color, if we find really good
color, we'll all come back and work

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that area. Yeah, to forgive
me, man, I'm so I'm back

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there now at that time again,
about twenty four I'm about one hundred and

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seventy pounds. That's about a forty
five pound rucksack that I always carried with

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me. So I'm I'm camped out
not too far from the canyon, and

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shit, I'm the only one back
there. I know this for a fact.

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The road, the logging road I
took in, used to be an

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old mining road. The Bonder mine
is off that road. It's a dead

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end canyon road. It goes down
by rattlesnake golds, and they're just dead

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ends right there. There's only one
way in, one way out. And

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I'm in my tent and I've betted
down some pine needles where the pine needles

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look thick, and you can find
areas where the pine needles you're just six

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eight inches thick. I betted down
there for the night, had this little

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old school boy scout style slip into
it tent, and it's it's got I

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don't know what time it was,
man, it's it's got to be probably

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like two three o'clock in the morning. It's definitely middle of the night.

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And I'm just gonna say right now, I don't know what it was,

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okay, but it was clearly on
two feet I know what I sound like,

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at one hundred and seventy plus forty
pounds on those pine needles. Whatever

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it was was way way bigger than
me. It woke me up. Now,

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the pine needles weren't all dry.
I was springtime, so it's very

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you know, But I know what
that sounds like. I know what other

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things sound like in those woods.
And whatever it was. It came in

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from like the area of the road, and it walked around my tent like

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three times, and I was laying
there. I used to have a Colt

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Pioneer twenty two long rifle caliber pistol. That's what I carried with me back

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in those days. I've had I've
had encounters with mountain lions and black bears

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and ship back there, so I
always carried something I could scare them off

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with. I never carried heavy weapons
back back then. And I'm laying there

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with this pistol on my chest and
my thumbs on the on the hammer,

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and I'm thinking, at that for
moves, I'm gonna fan off five shots.

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It's scared to live and shit out
of me. And the weirdest part,

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the weirdest part of that whole deal. As I heard it walk away

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and as it cleared this little this
little clearing I was in with the pine

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needles, it got off into the
bush and it was making a little bit

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more noise. It was very quiet. It was trying to be quiet,

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you can tell. And but the
weird part was it didn't walk like back

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towards the road, back where civilizations
back that way. No, it walked.

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It walked toward the canyon, toward
the backside of Yosemite, and that

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fret. I'm trying not to cuss, man, it freaked me the hell

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out. And at some point I
finally fell asleep. As soon as the

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sun popped over that saddle, I
was like, I'm out of here,

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and now here's the deal. Man
big foots a guy in a monkey suit.

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That's what I was told. That's
what I knew, Bob Horonymous and

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the whole deal. And yeah,
so back then, as a as a

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as a recreational gold miner, I'm
thinking this has got to be a claim

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jumper. It's got to be a
tweak or something something. It's got to

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be something. It scared me enough
that'd be like, you know, going

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through my twenty four year old mine, I'm like, who the hell is

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out here at this hour of the
morning walking around my tent and then walking

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that way. That's that's nuts.
I never could figure that out. And

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over time, you know. So
I packed up that morning obviously, and

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and got the hell out of there. I told Paul about it, and

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he see, he was like,
oh, you know, it must have

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been a claimed ber or something.
I'm going dude, no, this was

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a big ass claim jomper. If
it was a claim jumper, because that

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shit still goes on back there.
There's still plenty of gold back in those

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hills, and there's there's people that
will rob you therey. Nothing you can

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do about it back there. This
story is extremely fascinating so far. You

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had told me you're how old you
are in an earlier email, and I

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just want to make sure the listeners
have what time period this took place,

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and this was like early nineties,
right, yeah, I'm fifty five now,

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so do the map I was,
I was about twenty four back then.

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Yes, it's about ninety two ish
around there. Yeah, And so

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you know, we we eventually,
you know, the group broke up,

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and I got married, had a
family, all that good stuff, became

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a firefighter, merchant marine, all
that good stuff, and and so fast

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forward to the pandemic. Now,
I've been a political junkie my whole life.

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I follow politics. I watched politicians, but during the pandemic everything was

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getting so nuts. I was like, I'm done. I got to find

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something to listen to at work,
and so I started throwing scrolling through podcasts.

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I find Sasquatch chronicles and I thought, well, that looks interesting.

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So I heard the first couple of
you know, stories, and I thought,

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wow, that's pretty cool. And
then I heard one This dude told

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my story. And I've heard people
tell my story on your on your podcast.

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And what I call it is the
tent creeper. That's what I called

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it back then, the tent creeper. I have, you know, man.

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But here's the deal. I've had
experiences in my life that I can't

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explain I've had. I've had three
experiences of my life that petrified me,

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literally scared me so bad. I
couldn't I couldn't move, I couldn't breathe.

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The tent creeper was one of them. I don't you know, I

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could have wet myself at any point. That that's how scary that ship was.

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The other stuff is a top for
another day. But um so I

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start, you know, I'm I
start thinking about that and that memory comes

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back full force. And I'm like, Okay, what the hell is this

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bigfoot thing? And I live in
Colorado Springs and I've been up there,

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you know, I've been up to
Pike's Peak and I've seen the big Foot

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crossing sign, and Bigfoot is all
over this place. So I start kind

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of looking into it. You know, I'm listening. I'm listening to West

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and these you know, firsthand accounts
and all the stuff. But then I

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start hearing from people that I can
relate to a little bit, and that's

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like doctor Meldram, Bender Nigel,
And I'm starting to look at this from

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a from a purely skeptical point of
view. So I'm not looking oh crap,

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how do I even talk about this, this journey I've been on,

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um, you know, Barbara Ketchum, that whole deal um was just well

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crap. Let's put it this way. You know, Bender Nagel once said,

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he said, if one person tells
you to see the jolly green giant,

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you can dismiss that. But if
ten people tell you this solid,

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jolly green giant, you might want
to look into it. So at that

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time, during the pandemic accres,
I had time on my hands. I'm

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a construction worker at that time,
electrician not doing a whole lot of stuff.

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So I start I start digging.
Now, as a as an experienced

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backcountry guy, I know that cartography
is one of my one of my favorite

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subjects. So I know how.
I know how animals move, I know

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how you know. So basically I
start looking into it. Okay, So

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if this thing is, if that's
what that was around my tenth that night,

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then we're talking about a mammal okay, possibly eight to nine hundred pounds

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bipedal box on two feet. Um, we're talking about something about the size

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of a bear, and not an
inland grizzly, not a brown, coastal

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brown bear, not a not a
not a polar bear, because that's actually

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considered a marine mammal. It's not
actually classified as a bear. You got

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the inland grizzly, the coastal brown, you got the codiac. So we're

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talking about something about the size of
a codiac. Now, if this thing's

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real, and if it's up here
in Colorado springs Pike's Peak region, then

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first thing we got to figure out
is why it won't work as a researcher.

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Why wouldn't it work well? This
thing's big. It's it's gonna have

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to have a hell of a hell
of a calorie intake. It's gonna have

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to have the fauna, it's gonna
have to have the availability. So on

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a you know, this is crazy, but just on a hunch, I

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looked up doctor Meldrum right, called
the number on the website. He picked

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up the phone. Really, I'm
not, I'm not. That's awesome,

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man, God is my witness on
my children's health. He picked up the

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phone. I introduced myself. I
said, look, I'm just looking into

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this thing, and I told him
a real quick snapshot of why I'm looking

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at this. And the biggest thing
I wanted to know is, you know,

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the calorie and take on this thing's
got to be huge. Five thousand

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calories per day minimum in the fall, twenty thousand calories. That's a feeding

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frenzy. Now, you know,
we need two thousand calories a day.

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Now, something that big, it's
gonna need way more calories per day.

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But here's the deal, it doesn't
It's not going to get it all in

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one shot. Even bears will graze
on grass and when they get the occasional

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elk, they're gonna snag it because
that's where the calorie, that's where the

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calorie punches. That's called hyperphasia.
That's a feeding frenzy in the fall that

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bears will go through. So when
I'm looking at this thing, I got

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to look at it as a bear
because that's how big it is. But

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we've also got this part about it, is it more like us, more

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like a monkey. So now we
got to start looking at primates, large

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primates, high altitude primates. Now
we got to get into Diane Fosse,

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Jane Goodall. So you know Fosse, when Fosse, and let me just

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preface this by saying that these high
mountain guerrillas in this ancient volcanic valley,

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science back then said there's no possible
way grills live in the jungle until this

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English, young English soldier, he
was a military guy. Wish I had

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my notes right here, but he
shot one, brought it down. These

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guerrillas were living above ten thousand feet. Science said that could not possibly be.

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Now you got my curiosity, So
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there, and you've got Diane Fosse
worked with these guerrillas for two years before

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the first one would actually break cover
and expose itself. And the crazy part

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is if you go back and look
at the footage, you'll see these You'll

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see these gorillas peeking behind trees kind
of doing this number. And I thought

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that was really interesting because as I'm
listening to this anecdotal evidence, I'm thinking,

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that's exactly what these people are seeing. I think that sounds really familiar.

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Okay, so yeah, we're on
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the higher primate above ten thousand feet. Science said it couldn't exist, right.

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So and obviously if you're if you're
if you're looking at Goodall's work,

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you've got to look at you got
to look at I'm sorry, if you're

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looking at Fosse's work, you have
to look at at at goodalls work.

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And So I've got an article here
I want to share with you. Mark

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Bird Saul is a reporter with the
Huron Daily Tribune. Couple of things that

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I really found interesting about Goodall.
What she studied. Chimpanzees, she chronicled.

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She chronicled the chimpanzee war. If
you want to really look at something

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crazy, look at the chimpanzee wars. How the how these how these groups

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of chimpanzees in these different regions actually
planned murders overthrows. I mean, it

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was like watching humans overthrow humans.
Good All, Goodall chronicled all of that.

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But here here's the thing I want
to to say. Once, and

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this is a quote. Once,
while Goodall was on an expedition deep in

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the Ecuadorian rainforest, she instructed her
interpreter to ask local hunters about monkeys with

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no tails. They replied they had
seen such creatures, who said they walked

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upright and were as tall as an
average American male. Now now we're going

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down the rabbit hole at this point, Okay, there again, big Foot's

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a guy in the monkey suit.
I don't know what happened back then.

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But the more I'm digging, the
more questions I have, the more boxes

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I make, the more I'm checking, So I keep digging. So now

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I've talked to Meldrum. I got
a hold of Doug high Checks people.

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Oh cool, Yeah, yeah,
because it didn't take me long to figure

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out, based on cartography that where
high Check was when they were up here

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was up in the Lost Greek wilderness, and that's where they were. If

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you go back, it was a
fine I don't know what the heck it

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was. I saw the program,
but the more I dug I was like,

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wait a minute, no, Hichecks, people were up here. That's

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where they were. We're gonna get
that in a second. Is this this

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ship just rabbit hole just goes deeper? Now? I believe it was Monster

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Quest. They came up. They
came up to Colorado and and what they

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showed a couple of guys on horseback
and they were up there around like Lost

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Church area, There's Lost Creek,
there's Lost campground. Um. What makes

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that place interesting is there's a creek
on there that was named by the early

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gold miners and people that came up. That's called Monkey Creek. Really,

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and this so I dug on that
a little bit. The reason they call

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it Monkey Creek is is because when
they were up there messing around, whoever

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it was, I can't remember.
I wish I had more details for you

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in front of me, but they
said they kept seeing monkeys up there.

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That's why they called Monkey Cree.
Gets a dry wash man. You can't

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make this ship up. I'm sorry
about that. You can't make this stuff

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up, Jerry. Don't worry about
it, man. There's a little there's

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a little comic book shop down in
Manitou Springs. It's got a little beer

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bar in the back. And okay, I guess you go down there,

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you know, play foosball with my
buddy. And there's a big foot store

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across the street. I'm in there, digging around, looking around because I'm

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kind of getting interested in this big
foot subject. And I bought one of

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those uh Hide and Seek World Champion
t shirts. Oh yeah, classic,

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yeah yeah, And so I go
back over. I got the shirt,

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throw it up on top of the
bar and go back. And me and

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Mark were playing foosball and this this
young lady. I know her and her

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husband pretty well. They're a young
professional couple there. And she looks at

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the shirt. She goes, nice
shirt, and I said, yeah,

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I kind of interested in that subject
right now. She's as we saw him,

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you know, wow. I said, what do you mean, God

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is my witness. I'm not exaggerating
and bellishing. This is exactly how I

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went down. She says, we
saw bigfoot and I said that's funny.

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She says, I'm serious. I
said, you're just saying that because you

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saw the shirt. She says,
ask my husband. I'm not going to

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give their names. But he comes
walking and picks up his beer. He's

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taking a pull off his beer.
I'm like, dude, did you see

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Bigfoot? She said his beer Dad. He looked at me and says yeah.

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I said, come on, you
guys are pulling my leg right now.

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They said, Jerry, we saw
what we saw. I said,

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where'd you see it? They said, brought up there in Green Mountain Falls

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and not too far from not very
I mean not. You could hike it

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from Green Mountain Falls to the big
Foot Sign, which is where all the

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people are seeing the big Foot in
this part of Colorado for god knows how

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long. She says, we saw
him right there. We were on our

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way up to the place called Garden
of edenis right behind Catamount Reservoir. And

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I was like, and she says, it walked across the road in front

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of us. Now at this point, I've stopped playing foosball. I forgot

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about my beer. I'm going,
are you are you telling me the truth?

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She says yeah. I'm like,
well, what did it look like?

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She said? It was huge,
massive, like like easily two and

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a half times that you know a
man? She said, what I remember

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was it took like two or three
steps to get across from the median across

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the road. Now, so that
that freaked me out. Now I go

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home and I'm like, okay,
Um, either everybody's lying, yeah right,

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Either everybody's making shit up, or
or people something's going on. You're

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going deep. I'm going deep.
I'm telling when I get interested in something,

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I will research it to death love
it. Man. I'm just saying

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that's what that's what, that's what
makes me a good cook. Oh yeah

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right, I bet yeah yeah.
Oh my goodness. So I'm I'm hearing

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about this area X right. Oh
yeah, here we go. Jerry,

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all right, okay, no,
this this, this rabbit hole gets way

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deeper. And again all my children's
health. God is my witness. I'm

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not making any of this up.
You can call these people and verify what

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I'm saying and getting this is awesome. No, we're getting way deeper.

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My nephew, my nephew in law, he married my niece, my oldest

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niece. UM. I won't give
his name, but he would probably like

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to talk to you. His name's
Travis. He was he was born and

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raised here in Colorado. Him and
his dad have been bow hunters as far

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as I can remember, my my
my son, my two of my sons

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had rapped our squirrel for the first
time because of Travis. He used to

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babysitting my kids. I was a
single father back in those days. But

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they moved down to Venus, Texas, and he was hunting a lease in

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Northeast Texas. I wish I could
tell you the name of the town that's

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close to that, But I'm looking
at all this research and I'm looking at

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Google Maps, and I'm going,
Wow, Travis is hunting that huge lease

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out there, and that's right there
in the in the zone. So on

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a lark, I call him up. Conversation kind of goes like this.

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He's like, hey, uncle Jerry, what's going on. I'm like,

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hey, Travis, I said,
I got a question for you. I

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said, you're hunting that big lease
up there in Northeast Texas. Yes,

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sir, Yeah, it's a private
lease. There's only like three or four

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people that are allowed to hunt on
this lease. I said, Travis,

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do you ever hear anything out there
or see anything kind of weird? He

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says, you mean bigfoot, Uncle
Jerry, dude about fell over. I

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swear to God, and my jodge
is about fell off. We've never had

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this conversation. And I said,
yeah, as a matter of fact,

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Travis, that's what I'm talking about. He says, there's two of them

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on the lease. What he sends
me a picture from Catto Lake, which

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is not too far from there,
Cattle Lake. He sends me a picture

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of an eighteen inch foot print from
Cato Lake. He says, Uncle Jerry,

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there's two of them on this property. He says, they throw rocks

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at me. They followed, They
followed me out of the lease, he

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said. And then he sends me
a picture of this little wooden structure like

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a tpe. He says, they
built that because nobody, nobody who hunts

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that lease built that, he says. And you can hear them out there,

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you know. And I said,
Travis, you gotta be kidding me,

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man, I just called you on
a lark, just kind of looking

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at this. So what do you
do with that? What do you do

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with that information? Right, the
deeper I dig, the digger I deep,

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and the crazier this shit's getting.
And of course the whole time,

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in the back of my mind,
I'm going back to that night outside of

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Cattown and I'm going, man,
what the hell are we dealing with?

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So now I start looking up like
Rocky Mountain Sasquatch Organization. That dude is

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really cool. Yum. I look
up bf r O and I'm gonna go

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on record right now, I'm not
a big bfr O fan. Fair enough,

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the Deep the Digger ideep. Okay, I'm right, um, because

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I've had I've had some experiences that
they would be like, no, we

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can't talk about that. Um hm. So yeah, so now I'm going,

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okay, well, what the hell
are we dealing with? Now?

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First off, I got I got
a couple of questions. If this thing's

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this big? Okay? Um oh? And by I forgot to talk about

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this. When I first looked into
this, I was on this. I

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was on this. Um uh.
There was somebody's YouTube page about you know,

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bigfoot in Colorado, and there was
this guy that had commented and he

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was saying something about having experienced something
out here. So I commented on his

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comment and he actually got back.
He actually text me back. They'll not

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text me, but yeah, messaged
me back, and I said, I

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want to know more he said about
what I said about this bigfoot thing,

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he says. He and he was
kind of standoff as he's like, well,

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what do you want to know?
I said, well, I'm just

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trying to figure out if this thing's
real or you know, he tells me.

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And I'm okay with giving away the
destination. I look, I'm not

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trying to prove bigfoot exists. But
he told me a spot on not very

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far from me at all, probably
probably about two and a half hours.

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He said, if you go there, and this is the same area where

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high checks people were, same damn
area, he says, If you go

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there, he says, I've seen
him. There's caves up there, they're

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there. This guy's an old el
Connor. He'd moved back to like Tennessee

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or some shit like that. Um, and then I've ran into like two

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or three different people because now I'm
wearing the damn T shirt, right,

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that's how you get just to see, just to see, And so I'm

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wearing the T shirt around him.
I'm going, look, man, this

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is all I got to do with
something happened to me back when I was

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a kid. And I you know, I don't tell you, but um,

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I've ran into at least four more
people. One said he was up

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in Aspen h two occurrences right here, just outside of Fort carson Um and

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on on on Shy and Mountain Rampart
Reservoir. So now I start looking at

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maps again, but now I want
to see where the sightings are. And

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according to Meldrum, I'm going,
okay, so what kind of territory are

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we talking about? Something this big
intelligent? I'm thinking probably the intelligence of

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at least a twelve year old,
a bipedal freaking ape man with the intelligences

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of a twelve year old number one. That's scary enough. But he's so

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Meldrum. I'm so I'm thinking like
like four or five hundred square miles,

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right, that's what this scene's gonna
have to range to be able to eat

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and survive. He's like, no, Jerry, more than more like two

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thousand. So absolutely quick synaps.
Here. This is a map. Okay,

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I'm not good. You can see
it? Can you see the triangle?

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Yep? Okay, that's twenty two
hundred plus square miles? Wow,

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all right that is Leadville to Bailey, which is where the Sasquatch outpost is.

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By the way. Jeffers that,
yeah, you can't get you can't

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get ahold of that guy. So
anyways, Leadville, Bailey, Fort Carson,

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and I know. So what I
did was I did the highest concentrations

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of sightings based on BFR and other
stuff that I could try to dig up.

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And holy crap, the four one
one guy Pike National Forest. They're

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still trying to investigate that one.
How that crippled old man could disappear right

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there off the road. Now you
got Monkey Creek, you got these crazy

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sightings outside of Victor over by Leadville. Um. I believe that was also

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on that same program that high checks
people did. Um. So now I'm

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looking at it, and I'm thinking, you know, what, what are

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we what are we looking at?
Okay, gigant Epithecus. Yeah, sorry,

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can't can't buy into that one.
Can't that. That's that's too easy

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to So now we got to go
into you know, the the homo genus,

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the genus Homo almost sapien um.
You've got so many Homo ancestor heidelp

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against us right now you're getting now
you're getting back into Meldrum's papers right right,

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and then and then and then you
and then you've got and I've read

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Meldrum's paper on the Almusty. That
one, now, that one, that

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one will get you thinking, this
is a whole region of people. Right.

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So now I'm moving more away from
firsthand accounts Billy, Bob and you

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00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.000
know and all the stuff. And
dude, I'm telling you right now,

404
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:44.480
when you really research something, you
investigate it like a cop. You're gonna

405
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.119
get a lot of fluff. You're
gonna get I got a bullshit meter that

406
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.519
that is just spot on. You
got to wade through it, for sure,

407
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:53.880
you gotta wade through it, right, But like Bender and Eagle said,

408
00:34:54.039 --> 00:35:00.079
you got to hear them out.
Take all this into account, you

409
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.159
know, as a as a as
a as a believer, and I'm not

410
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:08.239
I'm not the religious fanatic type.
I'm a believer. Um. I worshiped

411
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:14.840
the God of my own understanding.
I know that. You know, there

412
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.679
used to be nine types of human
species discovered. Now we're up to fifteen.

413
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.280
They're still making discoveries down in the
Grand Canyon out there in the desert.

414
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.880
They're starting to have to rewrite.
If you look at there was a

415
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.760
there was a post by Mitchio Kaku. You know who that is. Yeah,

416
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:36.719
astrophysicist. Yeah, they're having to
rewrite their damn timeline. And the

417
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.639
more they're finding, the more we're
realizing what we don't know. Here's my

418
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.400
problem with modern science. If you're
closed minded to anything, you're not a

419
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:50.119
scientist. If you're closed minded to
anything, you're not a researcher or a

420
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:57.519
journalist. Absolutely, I'm a pragmatist, Jeremiah, give me enough reason to

421
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.880
suspect something, I'll put my biases, I'll take an honest look at it.

422
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.400
Now, there was a guest you
had on I don't know it was

423
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:12.400
your last guest, but he was. He's from Oklahoma and he moved out

424
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.400
to Colorado. He's out here.
Now. I wish I could pull that

425
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.239
episode up, but I would like
to talk to that guy because evidently he's

426
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:23.639
out here. I would love to
sit down and just because the way he

427
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.440
was talking about the way he researched
and stuff. And I want to give

428
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.400
big props to your show right now, because you have some really good,

429
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:37.480
what I consider very level headed people
taking an honest look, you know,

430
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.599
not just jumping on board with everything
that comes up, but you know,

431
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.920
let's take an honest look at this. So props to that, but yeah,

432
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.519
I would love to talk to that
guy. So I'm of Cherokee lineage,

433
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:58.960
Cherokee and Welsh. My family comes
out of northeastern Oklahoma. Cherokee originated

434
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:04.079
in North Carolina area. That's where
the main tribe is today. So now

435
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:10.639
I start. You're in away from
again from more of the anecdotal evidence.

436
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.960
You know, all these tribes having
name for this thing. So I'm talking

437
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:22.559
to the Cherokee, you know,
and they have you call it folklore,

438
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:29.679
you can call it, you know
whatever. It's oral tradition, absolutely,

439
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:36.199
and that's how it exists. They
talked about trading with this tribe, actually

440
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.440
trading with them, and do your
own research. You'll find it. When

441
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:47.119
the Europeans came over, that's when
it all stopped. Now. So now

442
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.400
I'm in Colorado. So we got
the Ute, we got the Cheyenne,

443
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.280
but the but the Northern newt there's
several tribes of the Ute, the Northern

444
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.760
newt Is which occupied this area.
So I get a hold of they call

445
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.719
it the Keeper of the secrets um
is what they call that person that's the

446
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.679
oral traditions keeper. And she was
gracious enough to talk to me for a

447
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.840
few minutes, and I told her, I'm a researcher. I'm researching things

448
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.599
about, you know, history in
Colorado. This is a subject that came

449
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:22.599
up. I kind of weaseled my
way in there, right, that's what

450
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:23.760
I have to do. But I
got her, but I got her to

451
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.440
talk to me, and I said, from what I'm looking at, it's

452
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.679
the siach or the sagoch was the
was the youth name for this, for

453
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:37.559
this creature. She said, it
translates to the basket woman, which is

454
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.760
ironic because if you go up into
the Pacific Northwest, they also have the

455
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.320
same tradition of the basket woman,
and they would use that to keep their

456
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:52.840
children in line, right because outside
of you know, don't let the basket

457
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.519
woman get you. These things were
known to be cannibalistic. And if you

458
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.599
go up in the Mount Saint Helen's
we could talk to one of the twenty

459
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.880
five minut it's about Mount Saint Helens, the mountain Devil's the skier. I

460
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.760
mean, oh my god, forget
about the cabin and the miners, what

461
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:12.360
about the skier. Heard stories that
I can't talk about. Dude, I'm

462
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.199
telling you what you're talking about me. I can't talk about it because I'm

463
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:19.280
telling you. And the deeper you
dig, the digger you deep, and

464
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.719
the crazier it gets, and the
more boxes it checks, it just gets

465
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.400
stupider. It's wild, you know. So yeah, So I said,

466
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.280
what about the mail? She said, We don't say his name, which

467
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.880
means I'm not included in that conversation. She says, but we call him

468
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.280
the Guardian, and if the Guardian
shows himself to you, it's either a

469
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.800
blessing or a curse. But he
does it on purpose. She's talking about

470
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:52.559
the big mail. Now. When
I was talking to that fellow up there

471
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.840
at r mso he said, he
said, because I called him back up,

472
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.519
because I talked to him a couple
of times on the phone, told

473
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:05.400
him what intentions were. And I
said, this is where I think they're

474
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.159
at, based on everything I've been
studying for the last year, year and

475
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.599
a half. This is where I
think they're at, he says, Jerry.

476
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:16.239
I think there's three families up there, he says, But you gotta

477
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:22.480
go when nobody's there. Now,
Here's here's the thing about these these first

478
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.679
hand accounts, right, Okay,
For one, there's been a lot of

479
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:34.159
accounts off a Pike's Peak, right, one of my most interesting accounts was,

480
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.000
it's late summer. These guys are
at the at the summit house.

481
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.239
Now, if you look on the
backside of Pike's Peaks, there's a couple

482
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.079
of little lakes down there, there's
a tree line, and this thing is

483
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:51.599
hoofing it. It's exposed at the
tree line and it's hoofing it and it's

484
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:55.440
head a dead south. Now,
where's it going? As an old tracker,

485
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.800
as an old cartographer, at first
thing I want to know is where's

486
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:00.400
it going? What time of years
ago in there? And why is it

487
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:05.239
going there? Why would it be
traveling that way? Because the experience in

488
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.880
Green Mountain Falls was the same way. The thing was headed the same way

489
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:13.639
right now, outside of the fact
that we have one of the largest elk

490
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:19.280
populations in the country. So if
you look from Bailey to Leadville in that

491
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:23.400
area, will duh. There's choke
points, there's bridges, there's ambush points,

492
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:28.440
every it's a corridor. It's a
highway system all the way down to

493
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:32.159
Green Mountain Falls, all the way
down to all the way down there to

494
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:37.159
Fort Carson. Now, what's down
to Fort Carson? Why would why would

495
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:40.599
things be going that way? I'm
asking myself if I was, if I

496
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.840
was out there, why would I
be going that way? Well? Number

497
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:49.440
one, ship, tons of water
sources, lots of places to get around,

498
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:55.079
easy to move around. Now,
when you get down to that Fort

499
00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:00.639
Carson area, you're going down in
the Fountain security wide field. What would

500
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.880
be down there? Because there's a
lot of houses, there's a lot of

501
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.880
military housing and by the way,
there are a ton There are so many

502
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:15.800
reports from ex military, former military, current military about seeing ship down there.

503
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.840
That gets even deeper. Oh yeah, but I'll tell you what's down

504
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:27.239
there because I've lived here twenty three
years, Turkey. Really, I've seen

505
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:32.920
what is the a clutch of what's
the Purford? I've seen him seventy five

506
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:38.519
to one hundred strong. Wow,
m yeah makes sense to me. Checks

507
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:49.079
another box, right, you know. Man. So again, the deeper

508
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:59.199
I dig, the digger I d
you know. So. One of the

509
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.599
reasons I wanted to reach out to
you is is I am an independent guy.

510
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.719
I don't need anybody to tell me. I don't want to be influenced

511
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:12.679
by anybody else's opinion. That's why
I launch on these little escapades. I

512
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:17.039
want to gather as much information as
I can. And here's the bottom line,

513
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:22.719
Jeremiah, I don't believe in bigfoot. I don't not believe in bigfoot.

514
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:28.960
Yeah, what where I'm at right
now is I firmly believe that people

515
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.440
are seeing something that's very real,
and we live in a very strange world.

516
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:40.519
All kinds of weird things happen.
So this fall I'm gonna and fall

517
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.400
is the best time to do it. You gotta get past hunting season,

518
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:51.480
you gotta get into that, into
that desperation. Oh gosh, what is

519
00:43:51.519 --> 00:44:00.679
that called again? Hyperphagia? The
hunters have moved on, snow start campers

520
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:06.639
are gone, everything's gone. But
everything out there is going for is going

521
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:10.159
for that last ditch effort. Now
we know how the elk move from higher

522
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:20.000
elevation lower elevation, depending on the
season. So from my chair, late

523
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.719
fall is going to be the best
time to get up there, start looking

524
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.519
and my deals. I'm gonna get
up there, probably stay about a week

525
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.079
minimum, five days minimum, get
as deep as I can, be,

526
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.079
as normal as I can. Bring
my guitar up there, bring my gear,

527
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.719
just be a camper, laugh,
have fun, you know, maybe

528
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.400
you know cost couple. Well,
now, I don't want to cost couple

529
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.320
apples around, I'd be stupid.
But this is why I really wanted to

530
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.280
reach out to you, because I
want to talk to people in my region.

531
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.800
You know, Okay, yeah,
I want to get connected with somebody.

532
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.519
The guy with our MSL, he's
way up north. He's busy,

533
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.960
Jim Myers, He's always busy,
and he charges people to go out in

534
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.920
the woods. Dude, I've spent
my entire life in the woods. I'm

535
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:12.760
not paying anybody to take me out
in the woods, especially with a bunch

536
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.519
of other people making noise, banging
on trees and and hooping and hollering.

537
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.440
You know. If, man,
here's the deal. If I'm a if

538
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:30.119
I'm a potentially nine foot tall,
seven hundred pound higher primate, and I

539
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.320
don't want to be found, the
last thing I want is you beating on

540
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:37.679
my front door. Yeah. Probably
not a good idea, right, you

541
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:43.239
know. So, you know,
based again on some of the researchers I've

542
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.760
listened to, you know, it's
made it's it makes more sense to just

543
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:51.880
let them be curious. But at
the same point, I got to walk

544
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:57.480
into this as a hundred as a
tracker, okay, as a backcountry guy,

545
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.199
understand the ridges, understand the choke
points, Understand the places where I

546
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:06.280
can go or maybe I can,
I don't know, draw a little more

547
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:13.280
interest. Absolutely. No, There's
a few questions I have for your Jerry

548
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:17.280
that I have kind of made a
mental note of along the way, and

549
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:24.400
I'm curious to get your your thoughts
on some things you'd mentioned. You mentioned

550
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:30.719
Area X really quick and then we
didn't really get into a lot of it.

551
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.159
Do you have any what are your
thoughts on Area X? I'm just

552
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:43.159
curious. Well, the honey be
stuff goes way back before, before the

553
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.199
way back before the Paterson Giblin stuff. Oh. Absolutely. One of my

554
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:52.559
best friends in the world is chief
of police of a little town not too

555
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.599
far from Aida, Oklahoma. Really, I'm not going to tell you what

556
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.199
town or who he is, but
um, you know he chuckles about the

557
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.639
big thing. But that guy I
was talking about that I would really like

558
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.000
to talk to and if he listens
to this podcast, please contact me.

559
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:13.320
The one that lived back there.
He was talking about a Toka, right

560
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:19.519
a t o k A. Oh
yeah, the same the same guy,

561
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.920
same guy. So you know he's
throwing down these town names. I asked

562
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.280
him. I said, hey,
man, you ever anybody talk about big

563
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.320
butt? Oh yeah, right down
there, two below stores. She'll tell

564
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:36.039
you all about it. She saw
the Boggy Creek Monster. And Boggy Creek

565
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.639
runs right through Clareta, which is
where I used to live. Upper Boggy

566
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:45.599
Lower Boggy. Boggy Creek. Monster
used to hunt pigs down there because there's

567
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:52.719
tons of tons of old to congroves
down those bottoms and lots of pigs,

568
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:57.440
lots of deer, lots of fish. It's a hunter's paradise back there.

569
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.679
But he says, yeah, he
talked to blah blah. Oh they're two

570
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:10.800
plus door and she'll tell you all
about it. So wow. So yeah,

571
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.239
the guy that was, you know, from that area, from the

572
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.639
Colorado, whatever your name is,
please contact me. I'd love to sit

573
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.519
down and have a cup of coffee, go over some notes, maybe get

574
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:25.599
a strategy look. And again,
I am not having zero interest improving to

575
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:34.599
anybody that this thing's real. If
it's out there, I'd like to see

576
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:38.920
a unicorn before I die. M
I don't know. Maybe I don't want

577
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.480
to see it. I don't know. Well that's a saying like maybe I

578
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.559
want to hear it. If you
see it, then what does that do

579
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.840
to your viewpoint of everything? Right, Terry, I don't know. I've

580
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.480
thought of that myself. You know, what does that do to my entire

581
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.920
life paradigm? Okay, so you
know if people talk about orbs, sure

582
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:05.880
we're gonna get here for a second. All right. When I was about

583
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.079
twelve years old, I was living
in Modesto, California, at Ronald Court

584
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:13.599
and my mom was married to a
guy. He had a couple of kids.

585
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:17.960
We all lived there together. And
I'm laying in my bed one night

586
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.039
and it was a big cheap,
cheap trick poster on the wall. He

587
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:29.599
used to have cheap trick. But
I'm just a kid. Bet the closet

588
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.760
doors open. I'm laying there in
bed, just about to fall asleep,

589
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:39.840
and I see something in the closet. Again. Man, I'm I'm nuts

590
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:47.559
for talking about this stuff on a
national podcast. It was it was greenish

591
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:54.519
in color. It was probably the
size of a large grapefruit, a little

592
00:49:54.519 --> 00:50:00.920
bit bigger, maybe m and it
was there and it kind of looked like

593
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:06.519
an eye, kind of like a
big, like a round thing with a

594
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.639
dot in the middle. And it
was just there, and it was like

595
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:16.719
it would kind of like like close
up and then it would move and it

596
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:20.599
would open up, it would close, and it would open it would close,

597
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:27.800
And that was one of the things
that it scared me so bad.

598
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:36.599
I I ran and told my mom
and she said, you're just dreaming.

599
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:44.679
And I went back to the room. I shot that closet door and eventually

600
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:50.880
I fell asleep. But that that
happened, and I'll never forget that as

601
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:58.119
long as I live. Okay,
Me and my buddies were playing in the

602
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.239
backyard one night we saw a star
do things that stars shouldn't do. What

603
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:12.079
years is Gosh, I'm fifty five. I couldn't have been more than six.

604
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.039
We're out in the backyard playing with
lawn darts. Okay, Well that

605
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.760
also tells you if you're playing with
different We were. We were playing with

606
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.440
lawn darts that night. It was
a summer night, and I remember my

607
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:34.960
buddy going, what's that And we
all looked up and this this star was

608
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:39.679
bouncing around the ball like a ball
in the sky. Wow, Like like

609
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:45.360
pong. We used to play pong
back in those days, and that's what

610
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.119
it looked like. And then it
shot off just like a like a like

611
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:59.000
a falling star going backwards. Man, that happened. Um, that's wild

612
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.119
shit. Man, I'm just gonna
I'm just gonna just get off my chest.

613
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:07.880
Um. When I was raising my
family in Oklahoma at a very old

614
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:14.639
house Clary to look up Clary to
Oklahoma. It's the middle of nowhere.

615
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:22.239
The house had an old woman,
a ghost. Aunt Janet told me about

616
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.119
it. Grandma Gail told me about
it. We used to have this there

617
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:29.679
was I bought the house partially furnished, and there was an antique mirror in

618
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:36.800
the dining room. And Janet said
she would see the old woman. And

619
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.519
Grandma Gail said she'd see the old
woman in the mirror. Occasionally you walked

620
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.079
by it and there she'd be.
And uh, man, you can call

621
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:49.000
my I'm gonna sunce some nut right
now. I swear you can. Please,

622
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.000
I'll give you. I'll give you
my ex wife's number. She can

623
00:52:52.159 --> 00:53:00.679
verify what I'm telling you. That
house had turned over many times. We

624
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.760
used to be on the old railroad
right there. Used to be a migrant

625
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:09.920
farm worker area. But my wife
woke up one night Stephen had just been

626
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:15.800
born. He's in the bassonette.
Patrick hadn't even come along yet, but

627
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:22.880
she said she she woke up and
saw an old man in suspended overalls standing

628
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:27.400
at the end of the bed looking
at us. And I said, well,

629
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.360
what did you do? And she
said, I pulled the covers out

630
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:32.719
of my head and when I looked, he was gone, wow. And

631
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:37.320
I'm going to be sure you weren't
just dreaming. She's like, I don't

632
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:43.920
know, maybe. And then a
little while after that she woke up and

633
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.079
she said the old man was bent
over the bassonette looking at my son.

634
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.679
Oh, Jerry, no, I'm
not demand please call my ex wife and

635
00:53:53.079 --> 00:54:00.320
verify this because I'm not making up
stories here. And I was like,

636
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.679
but I'm just I was I was
like, I was like, I was

637
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.360
like, all right, well did
he feel like it was bad? Was

638
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.199
it? She's like, no,
I didn't feel like it was bad.

639
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:15.400
It just freaked me out. Um. Sometime later, I can't tell you

640
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:21.440
how long. The girls are out
shopping. Um, the girls are out

641
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.320
shopping. I'm at the house alone
again. At this time, I was

642
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:29.119
working as a merchant marine, so
I was on my fourteen days off cycle

643
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:34.679
and I'm just tooling around the house. I'm walking through the living room and

644
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:39.760
Jeremiah, It's like I walked into
somebody. Oh and what I got was

645
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:50.199
high. What I got was hello, m And that freaked me out.

646
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:52.880
I was not scared at that point, I asked, I was scared,

647
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:58.199
but I was more just freaked out
because my wife had already told me about

648
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:02.239
this Grandma Gail and and you know, Janet was telling me about the old

649
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:08.119
woman, and there were other stories
about the property. And right then and

650
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.960
there, I said, look,
I don't want to see you. I

651
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.599
don't want to know you. You
belong in your world. I've all on

652
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.000
your mind. And if you show
yourself again, if you if you,

653
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.440
if I even think you're around,
I'm going to get a priest here.

654
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.960
I'm going to exercise you out of
this house. And that was a stand.

655
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.639
I took wow. For the rest
of the time at that house,

656
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:36.280
which was another seven years, I
never had an experience. Can has never

657
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:45.719
had another experience. I can't explain
that. Okay, Now fast forward to

658
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:50.400
call her out of springs. I
used to be an electrician, used to

659
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.599
do a lot of painting. Back
my brother my family said, are painting

660
00:55:52.599 --> 00:56:01.360
business forever working on this house.
God damn it. Shit, we're working

661
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:06.000
on this house here in color on
the springs. I was doing some texture

662
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.199
work down in the basement and there
were wooden steps going down on this basement

663
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.480
at this house. So here's the
backstory on the house. The lady that

664
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:15.760
hired us to do the work.
This was her father's house. He had

665
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:21.480
it built back in the seventies.
She was born and raised in this house

666
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:29.159
my life. Now, it hadn't
been earlier than the seventies. I don't

667
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:35.079
know. It's an older home.
It's in the older neighborhood. And her

668
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:38.320
and her husband or lawyers up in
Denver. Her father had passed away.

669
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:44.039
So now they're fixing the house up
to sell it. So she hired me

670
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:45.199
and my brother to go in there
and do a bunch of work. And

671
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:50.239
there's other contractors doing work in there, and people are kind of in and

672
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:55.519
out. I'm down in the basement
and I hear somebody walking down the stairs.

673
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.280
There ain't nobody there. I figure
out it's somebody upstairs. I hear

674
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.320
doors closing, stuff, you know, hitting the floor. I'm thinking,

675
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.639
well, it's got to be other
contractors. I ain't, but there ain't

676
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:15.280
nobody there. It's just me.
My nephew used to work with us from

677
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:20.199
time to time to make an electro
money. Oh. He must have been

678
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:25.039
probably seventeen sixteen, seventeen. Time
he's down there with me. One day

679
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.639
we're working on this wall and we
hear somebody come down the stairs again.

680
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.960
He looks around the corner, he
looks at me, and his faces is

681
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.280
why is the piece of paper?
He says, what the hell was that?

682
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:45.880
Uncle Jerry? I said, did
you hear that? Please tell me

683
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.960
you heard that, because I've been
hearing that for like a week. Oh

684
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:55.159
man, and I'm hearing stuff upstairs. So he finished up that day.

685
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:59.159
He was like, yeah, I'm
not going back and I'm not going back

686
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:05.119
there. So one day I'm down
there, I'm washing up my mud tools.

687
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.679
I'm in the bathrooms, the little
bathroom right down in there, and

688
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:14.920
and Jeremiah, I don't know how
to say this, something was right here,

689
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:20.000
right here, right here, at
the back of my neck, really,

690
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:29.280
and it was evil and it was
not happy, and it scared me

691
00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:37.800
so bad I froze. I couldn't
move, I couldn't breathe. Whatever it

692
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:43.880
was, it was not happy that
I was there, and I felt it

693
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:51.559
through my core and I threw my
mud pan and my tools down on the

694
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:53.880
sink. I walked out of the
house as fast as I could. I

695
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:59.400
was trying to say the Lord's prayer. I was trying to speak out loud,

696
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.239
and I could do it. I
couldn't do it. I was.

697
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:07.159
I was that scared. I called
my pastor the next day. I told

698
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:10.119
him what happened, and he was
out of town. I'm like, no,

699
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.760
Larry, you gotta come down here
right now, and you got to

700
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.360
you gotta be with me in this
house, dude, because whatever, just

701
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:22.280
whatever that was, that was not
okay. Wow, And I'm I'm not

702
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:27.239
I'm a sober man. I'm not. I'm not making shit up whatever that

703
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:31.480
was. He said, Jerry,
you've got you know, he says,

704
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:37.079
you're you're a child of God.
It has it has no it has no

705
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:42.960
um ability to hurt you. And
he told me, says, next time

706
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.440
to go back in there, said
the Lord's prayer allowed address it. And

707
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:50.679
that's what I did. Monday morning. I went back in there. I

708
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:58.519
opened the front door and I said, you know, I'm a child of

709
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:02.000
God and you have you have no
you have no power over me. Whatsoever.

710
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:08.119
Don't fill yourself again. This is
gonna get weirder, Jeremiah, and

711
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:13.880
I'm telling you, said man.
I was like, this can't get any

712
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:15.480
anyway. No, it gets you. No, it gets worse, it

713
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:21.320
gets worse. You definitely had I
can. I can say you had some

714
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.119
protection of the Holy Spirit going on. I can. There is no doubt

715
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:30.760
about it, without no doubt about
continue. Please, So we finished up

716
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.440
the job. She comes down from
Denver to give us the check. We

717
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:40.679
meet in the driveway. God,
I wish I was making this. Shut

718
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:46.679
up. Um. My brother and
her are talking. Is my brother,

719
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:50.480
he's my older brother, he's the
contractor, he's the big boss. And

720
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:57.320
they're talking. They exchange the money
and and I asked her at the end

721
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.320
of the conversation, I said,
can I ask you something? I said,

722
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:07.119
ud you guys ever hearing and creaking, you know, like somebody walking

723
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.639
down the stairs, is not there
something you know? Weird? She's like,

724
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:17.239
oh, yeah, that's Walter.
Come boy. And I can't remember

725
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:22.239
the name, she said, but
I'm just saying this Walter because I'm looking

726
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.760
at her. I'm going, are
you serious? She says, Oh,

727
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:28.840
yeah, I know. He's always
been there. He's at prank three.

728
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:34.199
He opens and shuts door as he
you know, turns TV off and on.

729
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.199
He's always been there. And I'm
like, you gotta be kidding me,

730
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:42.599
right, God, I wish show
is making this shit up. Dude,

731
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.559
I said, I told her about
what happened to me in the bathroom

732
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:52.000
downstairs. She's like, she's like, wow, that's weird. He's never

733
01:01:52.280 --> 01:02:01.880
he's never been mean. Oh man, And I'm looking at my are we

734
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:06.440
having this conversation? Really? Did
that shit? Really? I mean,

735
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:12.320
Jeremiah, at some point you got
to question your own sanity. You know,

736
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:16.960
that's wild. I talked to I
talked to something Manitou springs here.

737
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.239
There's a lot of spiritual listeners,
you know, a lot of old witch

738
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:23.840
craft that happened back in the day. Alistair Crowley has been up there.

739
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:30.119
Yeah yeah, oh yes, we'll
talk about Crowley. Holy shit, I

740
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:36.719
did a deep dive on that guy. Um, but no, I was

741
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:38.880
talking this later. I was telling
her about this stuff. Is who do

742
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:43.719
you talk to about this? Ship? Man? Right? Who you talk

743
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.719
to about this? It's not going
to look at you like you're completely nuts?

744
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.679
And she said she didn't say I
was a medium she said, I

745
01:02:52.840 --> 01:03:01.199
was something like, whish I can
remember the word she used. She said

746
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:08.320
that basically I'm a channel or something
like that. It's like it's like things

747
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:14.280
from that side of the veil,
you know, will reach out to me,

748
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:15.320
and I'm like, i don't want
them to reach out to me.

749
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:22.239
I'm not okay with that. I
wish I could remember the word she used.

750
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:36.320
But Crowley, you know, Crowley
said that that these beings can move

751
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:40.239
from their side to hours if they're
summoned, they can do it. It

752
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:45.559
will. They claim to be angels, but they're not. Yeah, you

753
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:50.519
know that kind of that kind of
stuff is so scary, Jerry. It's

754
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:55.679
like, um, people have to
be careful with like good stuff they message,

755
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:59.719
you know. I mean, it's
more, it's more than scary.

756
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:08.119
It's it's um. You know.
As a Christian, I've experienced the other

757
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:14.280
side as well. I've experienced God's
grace and things that I can't explain again,

758
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.760
miracles, I've once you've seen it
so many times you stopped calling it

759
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:23.599
a coincidence. There's no such thing
as coincidence. Oh sure, yeah,

760
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:30.199
you know, once you open the
door to that. Yeah, so there

761
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:34.039
again. Okay, circling around.
Sorry, we Robert Trail big time there

762
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:42.079
um going back around to this,
Jeremiah. At this point, I'm satisfied

763
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:47.880
fair enough. At this point,
I'm satisfied from the chair I'm sitting in.

764
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:57.519
Homo neanderthalis was, according to Science
Today, was probably one of the

765
01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:05.800
last u of the genus Homo that
existed alongside Holmo sapien. But here's the

766
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:11.400
problem with Homo sapiens. We don't
like anything to compete with us for food,

767
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:16.719
territory, women, anything. So
Science today is pretty sure that the

768
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:28.760
reason that Homo nandrew talis was driven
to extinction was because of us, based

769
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:32.320
on fifteen types that we know it
is not. And I'm going back to

770
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:36.920
Goodall on this one. When she
was asked point blank on the talk show

771
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.840
about Bigfoot, she said, I
don't see any reason why it couldn't.

772
01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:48.159
So this is where I'm at that
whole deal. It checks all the boxes.

773
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:56.920
There is another genus Homo. What
is it? I don't know.

774
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.440
There's the sixty four thousand dollar question, my friend, big question mark on

775
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:08.239
Homo question mark. There's no reason
in my mind, in my research,

776
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:15.440
they can't say that there was another
Maybe it was one that evolved. Maybe

777
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:19.199
it was homo homo erectus that evolved, I don't know, you know,

778
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:30.920
and it saw what it saw what
people were doing to people, and it

779
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:33.599
said, you know what, We're
just going to dive back a little deeper.

780
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:41.920
M hm. Now, in my
mind that makes more sense than anything

781
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:47.519
it said. You know what,
you Homo sapiens, you do what you

782
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:53.440
do. We're just gonna stay back
here in the background. I mean,

783
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:58.400
Daniel Boone shot o wahu ya.
Yes, he wrote about it, and

784
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.960
so as he spending in y'all ar
Daniel Boone was, he spuns some good

785
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:10.039
yarns, but he didn't seem to
be, you know, messing around with

786
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:16.440
that one because it involved as kid
Teddy Roosevelt. Oh how many others?

787
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.360
How many others? You want to
go down the road of the giants?

788
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:26.960
You know, we can talk about
early Spanish explorers rounding the Horn of Africa

789
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:31.639
talking about giants, you know,
South America. I mean, we could

790
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:42.840
go down that road. So here's
where I'm at. It's got to be

791
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:51.480
you know, some say a relic
hominen. I can dig that something that

792
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.920
I mean, man, you know, and when you get in that when

793
01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:02.880
you get into that car category.
We're talking about ultrasound, we're talking about

794
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:05.639
mind speak, we're talking about the
moon, we're talking about all kinds of

795
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:12.239
crazy shit. Okay, let's check
those boxes. And again, let's not

796
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.600
look for reasons why it can't exist. Let's look for reasons why it can't.

797
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:25.039
If you're gonna do something unbiased,
you have to look at it that

798
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:31.920
way. Let's look at reasons why
it can't. And brother, I'm here

799
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:38.039
to tell you I can't find a
reason why it can't. Absolutely. You

800
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:41.720
know, even up here in this
region, Pike speak region, we have

801
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:49.680
a large, a very large,
healthy black bear, mountain lion, blacktailed

802
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:55.399
deer, elk, turkey, you
name it, we got it. Wild

803
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:59.720
edibles. All that shit checks out
as well, because you're not eating deer

804
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.800
every day, you're grazing. You're
grazing most of the time. Right,

805
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:10.880
we got wild edil was up here. The ute not only lived up in

806
01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:15.159
this high desert community up in these
mountains, they thrived, They thrived like

807
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:19.319
no other, and so did everything
else up in those mountains. So why

808
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:27.119
why couldn't a nine hundred pound male, six hundred pound female, three hundred

809
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:31.359
pound juveniles you running around up there. I don't have an answer for that.

810
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:39.000
I mean, Colorado has the it's
got the resources, no doubt for

811
01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:44.520
large creatures like that. Yeah,
I agree with you one hundred percent.

812
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:57.039
You mentioned you have a background of
bushcraft way back. As a person who

813
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:04.239
has done bushcraft before, what is
your thoughts when you see I don't know

814
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:11.560
if you've seen like pictures of stick
structures, um, you know, large

815
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:15.479
sticks that are broken off. What
are your thoughts about that? As a

816
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:21.680
person who has probably had experience with
things like that, I would imagine doing

817
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:28.880
bushcraft. Well, number one,
bushcraft, that's a northern thing. We

818
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:32.800
didn't we never called it bushcraft.
We called it survival. Soldier of Fortune

819
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:39.239
magazine was on every every on every
comic book rack back in those days.

820
01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:43.720
Um, Survival magazine. We just
called it back country. You know,

821
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.199
you're going to one or two places
in the woods. You're either going camping

822
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:53.119
or you're going in the back country. And when you get back there,

823
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:59.960
take that, take that that canyon
I'm talking about. When you hike back

824
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:04.439
far enough you reach the edge of
that canyon, it's probably eight hundred feet

825
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:09.079
down to the Tuolomy River. You
got to switch back your way down into

826
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:13.239
there, and I'm talking about this
very particular place where Blacks Creek dumps into

827
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.920
the Tuolomy. You can see the
you can see the granite tops of the

828
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:23.399
backside of Yosemite from that saddle.
Now saddle was a waypoint, always a

829
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:35.560
waypoint down that way the river turns. But um, here's the deal man.

830
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:43.720
You know, you get back that
deep and you don't hear much about

831
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:47.840
every three days you'd hear a BLM
plane Bureau Land Management plane flyover. They

832
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:53.119
would they would follow the concourse of
the river. But every three days of

833
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:58.840
BLM plane would flyover. Outside of
that, you didn't really hear much of

834
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:04.840
nothing. And that's the whole point
of being in the back country. You

835
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:13.399
can hear yourself. Think back there, you hear everything that moves and breathes.

836
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:20.079
You hear a pine cone fall a
hundred yards away, and you know,

837
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:26.760
I remember hearing stuff back there.
You know, you just you attributed

838
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:32.319
to a dead fall. You know
that's so the left these way back when

839
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:40.359
stop them control burning that that whole
region because the rich people from San Francisco

840
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:44.000
would come up build houses and stuff
like that, and so they used to

841
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:46.840
control burn back up in there because
you're simbody and all that, right,

842
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:50.159
they would have control burns. Well, they didn't do that, so it's

843
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:56.039
log jammed. It's it's just it's
hard to work that country. It's hard

844
01:12:56.079 --> 01:13:01.319
to get through that country because the
dead falls and the and the pine needles

845
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:15.399
sometimes get three feet thick in certain
certain um gullies. M you know,

846
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:20.840
you hear stuff back there, and
not always it makes sense. The wind's

847
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:28.000
not blowing, and yet you hear
a dead fall. I remember hearing ship

848
01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:30.920
like that and just contributing it to
you know, we'd be one of those

849
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:39.720
old burnt pines, you know,
finally poppled horm for whatever reason. You

850
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.159
know, I know what everything sounds
like. I had my first mountain lion

851
01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:47.600
encounter back there at the Blue j
Mind, and that scared the hell out

852
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:53.680
of me. I found off six
shots that day. How close did that

853
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:57.000
kit? Oh my god? I
pulled up in the We had a hard

854
01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:00.359
rock mind. We had we had
several claims. We had a plaster claim,

855
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:03.439
a high banked claim over by an
old stamp male, and we had

856
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:09.000
a this this old hard rock mine
called the Blue Jay. And I pulled

857
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:15.720
up in there that day again,
you know, Donnie Paul Dale. They

858
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:17.399
didn't want to go, they were
all busy, So I just went up

859
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:20.760
by myself. I just wanted to
go hang out with the hard rock mine.

860
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:26.000
And I had an old Chevy Nova
back in those days, old four

861
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:34.960
door turred brown Chevy Nova and pulled
up at camp, started unloading stuff and

862
01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:39.760
in a mountain lion. There was
a there was a little ridge just off

863
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:43.560
to my left. Kind of went
around that ridge to come into the mine,

864
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.399
and a mountain lion screamed at me. I don't know if I don't

865
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.560
know if it was a female,
it had cubs, I don't know if

866
01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:55.479
it was just hunting right there.
But there again, this place doesn't see

867
01:14:55.640 --> 01:15:01.760
human beings at all. And I
had that colt scrap to my scrap to

868
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:10.359
my right hip on a bust of
darrow rig and I'll never forget it.

869
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:15.359
I'm unloading my rocksack, starting to
pull out the tent and this thing screamed

870
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:19.399
at me. Jeremiah and I spun
on my left hill and I fanned off

871
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:24.880
that pistol as fast as I could, and I screamed, I said,

872
01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:30.079
that's what I sound like. That
scared the shit out of me. That

873
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:35.960
wasn't petrifying, that was just scared. So I'm I'm just boulder hopping down

874
01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:40.159
down to the twallow me. Because
once you get down in that canyon,

875
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:45.119
dude, this thing, this thing
chokes up, it widens out in places.

876
01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:47.079
But most of the time you're just
you're just boulder hopping along the side

877
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:51.520
of the river. And I see
this old mind shot where these guys had

878
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:57.680
dug a pretty pretty decent sized tunnel, and so I dive into it as

879
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.920
usual, because I'm twenty four and
I have no and I'm an idiot.

880
01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.640
Looking back on those days, I
would do so many things different. Oh

881
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:09.520
my god, But I go.
I go about fifteen twenty feet into this

882
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:12.880
cave, and that's where the lights
starting to shade down. But the lights

883
01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:18.560
cell on my back, and I
see six pairs of eyes, one kind

884
01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:24.199
of big right here, and two
little ones on either side. And I

885
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:30.479
stopped and I looked, and I
said back out, and I just slowly

886
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:32.680
backed out. And I'll tell you
what, I don't have. Everyone jumped

887
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:40.399
boulders so fast in my life to
get away from that. So so many,

888
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:45.600
so many great memories back in those
days, and the only one that

889
01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:50.359
I can say that was negative was
that that night I spent I spent probably

890
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:56.880
gosh, probably a better part of
five six years back in that country,

891
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:02.399
exploring everything I could passable. I
would run until my legs would give out.

892
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:09.199
I found I found another city and
waterfall about halfway up that canyon.

893
01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:14.359
I call it the of City and
Waterfall. Black of City and volcanic rock,

894
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:18.600
volcanic glass. This thing had to
have been at least fifteen feet wide,

895
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:25.199
probably ten feet tall. Looked like
lava had poured out, and you

896
01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:30.880
could see all the chips and all
the broken arrowheads on the ground where whatever

897
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:36.840
tribe I know it wasn't the me
Walk when might have been Mew occupied that

898
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:42.880
territory. But um, there were
so many things to see back there.

899
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.760
That was probably one of the best
times of my life, except for the

900
01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:53.119
tent creeper, right that a little
that one, that one, that one,

901
01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:59.520
that one, that one. That
was the only time so I operated

902
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:04.279
on quiet drangles. Okay again,
that was the Buckhorn Quadrangle. It's it's

903
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:10.640
a US Geological survey map. It's
a it's a topographical map with an engineer's

904
01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:16.319
compass and a topo. If you
get lost. God bless you, bro.

905
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:24.560
You deserve it back there. Um
and with those maps, I man,

906
01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:33.000
I ran so many different parts of
that country. Yeah. Wow,

907
01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:41.800
Jerry, there's some amazing stories tonight. It's just incredible. Thank you for

908
01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:47.560
sharing, I mean, your research, but also the incredible stories of your

909
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:53.359
life. It's been, it's been
amazing. Um. I want to give

910
01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:58.760
I want to make sure. I
remember you said earlier that you wanted people

911
01:18:59.199 --> 01:19:03.800
that were familiar you're with a certain
region to reach out in a way,

912
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:10.039
or you want to try to connect
to those people, right, I do.

913
01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:14.119
And again, I don't have a
website, I don't have a crazy

914
01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:20.640
email. Contact me personally, you
know. And I know, I'm I

915
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:29.159
know I'm opening myself up to a
whole lot of um places of my bullshit

916
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:32.800
mater is going to go off.
But um, you know, um I

917
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:40.840
again, I'm yes, I want
people to contact me in this area Pikes

918
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:49.720
Peak Region, Colorado Springs, Dailey, Um lead Bill Buena Vista. If

919
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:55.079
there's somebody out there living the sound
of my voice, please call me.

920
01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:59.720
Let's talk about this because I'm going
up this I'm going up this ball.

921
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:06.640
M hmm. And here's the deal
again, If you're six seven hundred pounds

922
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:10.720
and you don't want to be found. I really don't want to be going

923
01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:15.760
up there by myself. Absolutely.
Yeah. Now I'll go up armed to

924
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:20.920
the teeth. But again, I'm
not looking to prove to the world that

925
01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:30.800
sasquatch exists. I don't care that
anybody else understands this. I want to

926
01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:39.600
know. M Yeah, I want
to know. Should the best way that

927
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:45.000
they try to contact you would be
by leaving a comment on the YouTube video

928
01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:51.199
or are you providing a certain way
of contacting or what? Do you know

929
01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:55.880
what? I'm just going to throw
it out there. Jerry dot Lancaster at

930
01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:00.880
gmail dot com. Just just email
me perfect j E R R dot j

931
01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:04.600
E R R Y dot l A
n C A S T E R at

932
01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:12.800
gmail dot com. And and please
don't waste my time if you if you're

933
01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:16.560
a serious researcher, researcher, not
a bigfoot researcher. If you're a big

934
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:23.079
foot researcher, that's fine. But
I want to talk to people, um

935
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:28.399
who want to know more. You
know, there's too many weird things out

936
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:30.760
in this world. Jeremiah, Oh, yeah, you know. And I've

937
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:36.239
experienced some weird things, and I
don't I don't know why why I want

938
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:43.119
to go find a big foot,
you know, to one of the last

939
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:46.479
great mysteries. You know. If
I can see a unicorn or hear a

940
01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:50.199
unicorn before I die, I think
that would be a pretty good deal.

941
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:54.680
And at fifty five years old,
I'm in good shape. I can get

942
01:21:54.760 --> 01:22:00.600
still get into backcountry. I haven't
lost anything. So let's Jerry dot Lancaster

943
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:06.680
at gmail dot com. Jered Mayah, thank you for hearing my crazy,

944
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:14.119
crazy story. Absolutely yeah, thank
you so much for coming on, Jerry,

945
01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:17.840
and definitely keep in touch with anything
else that you run into, but

946
01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:21.439
thank you so much for coming on. Man. Man, if I go

947
01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:26.960
up in the last Greek, up
in the Pikes Peak, up in the

948
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:32.600
Santa Isabells, if I get up
there and actually experience something, You're going

949
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:35.560
to be the first person I talked
to. I appreciate that. Jerry,

950
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:40.399
thank you, thank you so much
for coming. Thank you, and real

951
01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:45.880
quick before we go, one last
thing, if you're in Iowa and you

952
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:51.520
would like to hear me give a
presentation, I am doing presentations at the

953
01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:59.079
Irlham Public Library and Erlham, Iowa
for their summer Reading program. The first

954
01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:05.319
one is coming up soon. On
June thirtieth, at three pm Central Standard

955
01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:09.640
time, I will be doing an
our presentation on how to start your own

956
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:18.760
podcast. Also on July twenty eighth, at three pm Central Standard time,

957
01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:24.640
I'll be doing a presentation on Bigfoot. If you're in Iowa, you probably

958
01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:30.479
will definitely want to hear this presentation
as be talking about bigfoot in general for

959
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:34.880
the first fifteen minutes, then fifteen
minutes or so on Bigfoot in Iowa,

960
01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:39.640
be talking about a lot of stuff
that I haven't really shared before, and

961
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:44.720
then we'll see where the last fifteen
minutes go. Yeah, there's some stuff

962
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:48.079
bigfoot in Irlam, so you won't
want to miss that. And then there'll

963
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:53.760
be a Q and A at the
end for fifteen minutes. But no cost

964
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.680
for this. It's just part of
the Iarlem Public Library Summer reading program again.

965
01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:01.319
June thirty, three pm Standard time
for the podcast one and July twenty

966
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:06.359
eight, three pm a Central Standard
time for the Bigfoot one Erlam Public Library

967
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:12.600
and Erlam, Iowa. We'll see
you there. You'd like to make a

968
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:15.159
special one time donation to Bigfoot Society, you can head on over to our

969
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:20.439
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I'd like to shout out someone who has

970
01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:26.479
bought us a coffee this last week. Mister Whyland W. Colburn his messages.

971
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.600
I love the show. I used
to listen to insert the name of

972
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:34.000
another popular Bigfoot Encounter podcast, but
they never have any new stuff. Keep

973
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:38.520
up the good work, my friend. Well, I appreciate that Wayland.

974
01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:41.199
If you'd like to buy me a
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975
01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:45.079
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976
01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:49.479
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977
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978
01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:01.279
If you've got a personal bigfoot encounter
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979
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:08.079
to share on the podcast, please
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980
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:13.800
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981
01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:17.319
lower on the page, and please
take a minute to share as many details

982
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:24.640
as you can. Please state if
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983
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:30.199
would like associated with the encounter,
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