I Got Freight Trained by a Detroit Sasquatch (A Conversation with Violent J from Insane Clown Posse) (Encounter Archives)

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0:41 I talk to people about bigfoot encounters that they've had in a safe and respected environment. Today, we'll be interviewing mister Joseph Bruce or Violent j from ICP or the band in Seeing Clown Posse as most people will know him by. Violent Jay is an American rapper, author, professional wrestler in so much more. During this interview, we talk about Violent Jay's bigfoot encounter from the nineteen nineties in a suburb of Detroit. We also talk about his feelings about Todd's standing and the craziest Bigfoot story that Violent Jay has ever read over the years. There's a lot of this interview that did get cut out because I like my channel the way it is, So if you would like to watch the full unedited episode, you can always head over to patreon dot com forward Slash the Bigfoot Society to become a supporting member and to hear the full uncensored audio and video version, and I believe the video will be up four channel members on YouTube as well, and you can click the join button there to become a supporting member. If you're new here, please take a minute to subscribe to the channel and to hit the bill icons. You don't miss out on any future episodes. Come out with new episodes every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. And please take a minute to share this

2:12 episode with all your friends and online ICP and or Bigfoot groups. I appreciate all the new viewers coming by, and a hello to all the juggalos as well. Good to see you here. So let's get on with this show and enjoy my chat with Violent Jay from the band in seeing clown Posse. All right, big forast society. We have the privilege of talking with Jay from out there in Detroit, Michigan. How's it going today? Jay? It's going good man. People might be like, what's up? Man?

2:56 Why is this guy have pained face on? Well, Kat's at the bag. Jay. You might be well known for some things. Do you mind sharing what you may be well known for? Well, mostly would be the one happening insane clown Posse. We've been rappers. We're from Detroit. We've been rappers for thirty thirty two years now, you know what I'm saying. And I'm fifty one years old, and we've been wearing a compaint. And touring and doing our thing forever. If you don't know me, Google it's party time, Jay, It's part of time. So I got I gotta share the story about how this all came about because it's it's kind of interesting, right. So I was checking Instagram and I notice that I got an interesting follow from Violent Jay, and I was like, is that this is?

3:53 This is kind of weird. I gotta I gotta jump into this a little bit and lo and behold, you are a big Bigfoot fan and we got to chat, and of course I was like, welcome to Bigfoot Society, Violent Jay. How's it going? And the cool thing about Bigfoot Society is for people that may not know, it's a platform for people to share their Bigfoot encounters in a safe and respected environment. Right, That's the main reason I have this podcast. And Jay was like, you know, I actually had something I'd like to share, and so welcome to big Fort Society, Violent Jay, Jay, And would you mind sharing what happened to you? Sir? I don't mind it at all. As a matter of fact, I'm a fan of.

4:39 All the you know, a lot of the podcasts and YouTube shows and things like that about bigfoot, you know, and I've always wanted to share my encounter with a lot of you know. But of course I chose leap. I highly intelligently chose my platform. You know what I'm saying, and you hear. And I'm privileged, blessed and honored to share my bigfoot and counter But I gotta tell you this, I don't like the way the bigfoot world is constantly in a battle royal with each other, you know what I mean. And I don't like the way everybody, including myself sometimes critique other people's bigfoot stories, okay, because bigfoot stories come, as you guys know, come in all varieties, and some of them involve supernaturalness, you know what I mean, and things like that and orbs and bigfoots teleporting, and sometimes people get judgment about that stuff. But damn it, I was judgment about bigfoot before I've seen one.

5:55 So that's what I'm saying, Like. People, I don't want to be judged by my bigfoot story because my bigfoot story has some misbeliefs in it that I have a hard time processing and understanding. And I didn't make the ship up. The ship happened to me, you know what I mean, And so I'm gonna tell it like it is, as corny as a lot of it is. This is how it went down, you know what I mean. And I can be judged. So actually it's okay. I don't mind being judged. I've judged my whole life. But I don't know for some reason, when the truth is involved, you can't change the story up to make it sound cool.

6:44 You know it's gonna be one way the way it happened. And you're at fifty one, I think about it and a lot of it sounds crazy, but. Damn it, it's the way it happened, you know what I mean? So what am I gonna do? You know? Okay? And yeah, So what I wanted to show you was that. I put out a book like in two thousand and four, I believe, and maybe two thousand and three. Anyway, it chronicled my life up until that point. Okay, And when you open the book, the first thing you'll see is a story, and it's me telling this story. Okay, this very story. Because when it happened to me when I was seventeen, asked watches anything, I.

7:34 Know anything like that. So when this shit happened, I thought it was I'll explain it in a minute. But the last thing I thought was that this was a Bigfoot counter until. Damn. I was probably forty four and my mom called me. My mom told me, Joe, check out Bigfoot and I was like, what. Do you mean. She's like, just watch up on YouTube, look into it, just look into it. I was like, my big fwits corny. And when I look into it, and once I started. Looking into it, not only the did I become fascinated, but I realized that's quite possibly exactly what I saw, you know what I'm saying. And here I got the story in my book Chronicling, and then the entire story nowhere does it say.

8:22 Bigfoot or sasquatch. That's because I'm a kid from Detroit and I was just not hit to what the hell a sasquatch was, you know what I'm saying, or bigfoot? So I didn't ever put that together with what I saw, you know what I mean. Anyway, I'll tell you. I'll tell you the story though, bit I don't care what jud you mean, everybody judge a wade. But here's what happened. So I had to explain myself first. At the time, my brother was in the military, okay, and I was planning not going in the military too. I thought as soon as I turned eighteen, I could get into the military. So I was on this heavy workout campaign thing. I'm going running all the time, I'm doing set ups every night, and so to make sense of this is hard, but this is what I was doing. I go through my day and we work out or whatever, me and my friends.

9:22 But at night I'd get in bed and it'd be the middle of the night. Oh here goes. Here goes the uh the. Book I was telling you about. See right here, this is my book, and right here at the beginning tells monster, you know, because that's what I've seen. It's your fame, let's steal it. So so at night I get in my bed, you know, and the first girlfriend I ever had, she would leave because she had to work in the morning, and I would she would leave.

10:05 We'd watch our Senior Hall, the first run back in the nineties, I believe. So she'd leave and I'd be laying there and. I'd be just about to fall asleep, and then something would tell me. If the house is. On fire right now, you'd have to jump out of bed. You'd have to rescue mom, you know. So to train for that, to properly train for that, and to get yourself ready for basic training and all that, you gotta jump out of bed right now and run about four blocks away into the park where the woods are. And in the in the woods, in the center of the woods was a giant hill. Okay, in the center where this park of woods was is a giant hill. Anyway, it don't make no sense. But I'd be laying there telling myself, you need to do that right now. And I would like, no, you don't need to go back from bed, and it would be like, yes, you do, you need because you can't tell the fire to go back to bed if you had to get up and rescue by, you know. So then I'd also spring out of bed, throw my shoes on, and just run with my dog out the door. And I'd just start booking as fast as I can from getting any thinking about it, running those running the block, another block, all the way up, and then I'd get into the woods and I'd run through the woods and there's this gigantic mound at the beginning of the woods, and I'd run all the way

11:37 up and and I would scream with my arms out all to the warrior. All right, now, I point out something right quick, all right, Yes, I'm a wrestling fan. All right. Yes, this did not have nothing to do with the Ultimate Warrior. Okay, those two words was a word probably inspired by the Ultimate Warrior, but it was a phrase that my brother and I adapted when we were training and when we were doing crazy things, because you think about it, I'm a warrior, I'm the Ultimate Warrior. Even though it was this wrestler it was also a good word to use in our you know, moments of uh bravery or whatever work or celebration.

12:27 You know what I mean. So I'd run up there and I would yell at every night. Oh, it was probably two in the morning, I figured, because our senior went off at one, Karen would leave and I'd be laying it about the fossley probably about two, and then all of a sudden, I'm out the door, you know, booking through the neighborhood, you know. And this was in a suburb of Detroit right called Ferndale, and I would are actually Ferndale bordering Hazel Park right along like nine mile in ten mile anyway. So I'm running and I'm in the dark woods. Do that shit every night.

13:09 You know what I mean. Oh, Jimmy warriors man, my brother's in the war. I remember, and I'm thinking I'm going. In and I was just like, I gotta stop porching myself like this, you know what I mean. Like, but I am getting good. Here's where it gets crazy. This one night. I remember all day I was hanging out with my friend and it was one of those days where it was cold and super windy, crazy windy, right and and I look up and it's one of those days where the clouds are going super fast. They're all moving together. There's not a no crazy fun of clouds or nothing, but the sky's just going just really fast by, you know.

13:55 And it's gonna be cold and scary tonight. And I tell myself already he was like, dude, he had tonon. I'm already thinking about no, not tonight, you know. So sure enough, Karen is. Gotta go for her job at the video store, remember them when they got DZ. She wou go to work there, and I was like, it's so scary. I'm gonna watch her. Not only do I walk her to her car, but I watched her go all the way down the block to the lights. I couldn't see the lights no more, and turn off. You know. So even I still telling myself, I wasn't gonna do it.

14:37 So I go up in the room I lived above my mom, in the attic above, and I went up in there and I was laying there and I. Walk comfortable, and I started. Saying, if you do it tonight, you you I had to do it for weeks because you. Did it tonight. I'm telling myself this I'm like, if you go out tonight and you run out there to night, on this night, on this terrifying full moon night, with the clouds ripping behind the sky, it's cold as hell. If you bust out of here and run all those four blocks and through those woods and up that hill tonight, you can take a break for a month.

15:17 Probably. So I was like, boom, and I bust it out, and my dog's running with me. Man, I'm busting, I'm busting, busting around that corner, down that block, down this long block. And Detroit got two kinds of blocks. There's like small blocks and the long blocks, even in the suburbs. And man, I'm going down in the long blocks. I run in there, I run up the hill and I turn. Around and I yelled all to war. And right when I almost finished yelling the word, it seemed like, and I don't think this is relevant to.

15:59 The story, it was crazy interesting. It seemed like like a punch in the face with a blast of ice, cold wind. I was like ultimate, and it was like whoa, and my eyes watered up big. For society would be right back after these messages. Super bad, you know what I mean. And I was like oh baits trying to stop me, you know what I mean? And I was like, I'm doing it again, and I did it again.

16:43 At that time, there was no gusty winder. I yelled at Ultimate War as loud as I could, and then I even grabbed my dog and lifted her paws up and yelled with her Ultimate War, just stop, unstoppable, you know. So I wanted to finish cleaning my eyes out. Whatever. I'm still terrified. The night itself was terrifying. This night did not nothing was right about the whole day, right, and uh, I'd been doing this probably two months every night, right, this whole day I was I never thought about this until it was time to where it hit me. But this whole day, I'm like, I don't want to go out and do this tonight. And I did it.

17:27 So I start running back down the hill, having conquered and yelled the shit, you know. I start running back down the hill and I run up maybe all the way up the first long block, but I don't. See my dog nowhere. Right anyway, I'm totally wind and I'm blew up, like as they say in wrestling. So I stopped and I'm breathing and I turned around and I'm looking for the dog, and I see her come running, but not up to me. She just ghosted me and ran right past me, like she came out of the darkness, basically into the because I was kind of under a street light a little bit.

18:10 But she went ran and past me and just bolted like like no interest in me. Right, So I look back. Okay, So I'm looking down a street sounds like a never place you would see. Something like this, right, But this is what I saw. I'm looking down. It wasn't a city street. I'm not looking tall buildings were like off in the suburbs where it connects with the woods or whatever. But I'm looking down the street and I see just some what I thought was a branch falling. Okay, because at the bottom of the hill, I mean at the bottom of the hill through the woods, there's a parking light off to I mean a parking lot off to the to the side.

18:53 So when I saw movement in the woods, I thought of it was. Falling from from the The wind was crazy that night, you know, but I and I got a chill, like, oh, I'm seems something crazy. This giant branch is falling but then it wasn't a branch. It was like it was it was walking through the woods. Right. Everything you can describe is what I saw, So I don't even care. Man it like it was swinging its eyes in it and that's I just asked. I saw it for a second, but it stopped and the minute it just rushed me.

19:39 It just came rushing me. Man it it freight trained me because I was so scared that I was frozen. And that's a real genuine thing that can happen, because I was git stunned. And when it came out of the woods, it was as tall as the stop sign. That's what was happening. And its feet. Looked like like our feet go down, the leg goes down, then the foot goes like that, you know, I'm sorry, leg goes down. The foot goes like that, right, His whole leg went down like from the knee, it just went down to a foot.

20:26 There was no feet. It was just like like like like he had bell bottoms on all the way to the floor, you know what I'm saying. And it was just fir like like almost like tobacco coming at me. Bro. When I finally got my whims, I turned around and I bolted like I just I swear I probably set some kind of record because I was in physical safe right. It's no matter how fast I was going. I only remember my feet barely connecting with the street, like in time. As I was running, my legs were out running my own ability, and I was The first thought was run up and start banging on somebody's door, and then I was like, what the hell are they gonna do watching me get ripped in half out on this porch. I remember these thoughts because when something happens to you like that, you don't forget it.

21:18 I remember running and thinking to my what are my options? You know what I mean? And the first thought was run up to somebody's bang on the door. I was like, hey, you give me, I'll do shit. Then literally can. Think of a maniac nobody. So then I run around the corner and I didn't even look back. I just kept running to the fastest of my ability. I ran all down down the other corner and uh into my mom's house, and again I remember thinking, start screaming for mom, and I was like, what. What is my mom gonna do against that? You know what I'm saying? What I just saw come barel and rush me freight train style.

22:02 Right under the light, the street light. I'm literally frozen stopped looking at it, and it's rushing me, you know what I'm saying. So I ran in the house and I dove under, and this is when the phone was on the wall, you know what I. Mean, and uh, I had I leaned. I remember, I was laying under the windows, dead silent, you know, and I was like, I didn't know what to do else my heart was beating so fast, you know. And I knocked the phone up the wall and I called my friend Nate and I was like, come over right now, and he can't pulling up. And I was just like I thought it wouldn't have made no difference against that.

22:46 You know what I mean. So I just screamed that and to take me away, and I let my mom keep sleeping because I thought even then, I thought everybody's got somebody sleeping in it in the house. I doubt they're gonna attack my All I need to do if it was after me, all I need to do. Is get out of here, you know what I'm saying. And that was my thinking, you know. So, but man ah, you know the next day, me and my brother went out there and did it again and nothing. You know, we did it again for probably. But here's here's what my brother told me. My brother's three years older than me, very accomplished, uh person h E.

23:31 MT veteran, war veteran, you know all that. So my brother. Was telling me at the time, I never used the word bigfoot again. I didn't know what bigfoot was. I never thought any But it was like almost like the blob, if you talk about the blob or Godzilla, you know what I mean. I didn't think anything about bigfoot. So he was like, here's what I think. And we could talk about bigfoots and kids graphic and all that where they're at. But my brother, my. Brother was like, he said, this is what I carried in my mind.

24:12 One of two things that happened, and the likely one is what my brother said. My brother said that hill may have been some sort of Native American burial ground, you know what I mean, you know, centuries ago, even who knows right. And he said, by going up by, he said, by going up there and yelling those words, okay, in a rush of adrenaline like that, to where you're actually meaning it, and you're streaming on the top of that hill all to warrior, like just some kind of.

25:04 Ultimate warrior. I'm so, we don't know what it is under that hill. Yeah, feeling insulted perhaps, or maybe I'm calling a challenge. Who knows, right, And when it finally chose to emerge on that night when I did it three times or whatever. And it maybe just laughed and said. Exactly you know what I'm saying, and laughed, And I don't know, but that when my brother gave me that possibility, I was like, when I was seventeen, I was like, well, that's probably what happened. What it was, you know what I'm saying that that's probably what happened. And it made the most sense, you know what I'm saying. So I thank God for my brother Nate, by the way, who became a later in like in New Jersey. So anyway, the other possibility, right, the more logical.

26:15 But highly. Not likely, but more logical because it's not involving supernaturalness or demons from. The burial ground. The other thing that may have happened. Is that what if there was some mechanic that lived right on the edge of that park and he worked nights in his garage with his buddy. Right, and they're in there and every night they hear some lunatic that sets their dog off or something screaming out, and so have two two after a month or two months of that, you know what I mean, Who's to say this is the part just highly unlikely?

27:07 Though? Who's to say they didn't have a friend in Who say they weren't friends with Giant Gonzales. Or I'd say the giant right, some. You know, Wilt Chamberlain is somebody, you know what I'm saying, somebody massive, right, who say Shack ain't their homie on some roller decks? You know? So and he had. A friend, you know, I don't know who walks ross tall as a stop sign. Okay, I don't know exactly how tall a stop sign is in Detroit, but it's. Way taller than me. And the other thing was.

27:51 People have described this thing as like barrel tested and massive, like a like a lineback or whatever. It's definitely what I saw wasn't skinny by any means, but it was athletic. It was coming at me in a massive stride, and I didn't hear nothing. It was hard to process because I was coming out of that frozen fear, you know what I mean? Yeah, you know, you know a a panic. Attack, by the way, is the way it was explained to me, is when your brain dumps a chemical. It's like if you turned around to see a train coming at you or a truck, you're either gonna have the reflexes to jump out of the way or you're gonna be frozen for a second, Like you know, that's that chemical spreading in your body, record speeds from your brain dumping, like.

28:47 And you stopped for a second, you know what I mean. So a panic attack is. Like when you're sitting at home, having a dinner, whatever you're doing, and all of a sudden, that chemical dumps for no reason. It's like some people just have that problem, including my so. But I understand panic any how extreme it can be, you know what I mean. And seeing something like that is something you're never gonna forget that whole experience. And yeah, man, and years and years. Later, I look at it, man, and I'm like, Okay, what if it was a bigfoot, right, because that's exactly what.

29:28 It looked like to me, you know what I mean, And I think, what would it be. First of all, if two things would have to be crazy Number one, that crazy as night. I mean it could have. Happened at any night if it was just a carryous sash botches on the edge of the woods, you know, coming out looking for trash or something to eat, you know, I don't know what, and hurt me yelling that's what, don't sing right? Why would it come charged? Why wouldn't it hate or why wouldn't it leave and hide? Why would it bulldoze me like. That big so society? Who will be right back after these messages?

30:21 Why would you know. You might be too close to like maybe it's where it's uh it's family was, or like you're getting too close to its special like zone sasquatch zone who knows, I don't know, you. Know it's I think like, what if it was a young sasquatch who I don't know what age, who knows anything? Right? But what if it was a young sasquatch who's tired of following around all the time and wants to go off on his own right, and so. He's off in a place he shouldn't be. He's looking for food and he's been off now for like three days hiding out in a tree at night or you know, in a day or whatever. You know, what if it's doing that right, and it just is where it shouldn't be, you know.

31:11 Because who knows. Even if somebody shot it in their yard or something, the government's just gonna come take it. It's not like it's gonna be on the front page next morning. And that guy's disappearing pretty quick. That's right, that's what is going And that was a raccoon you shot. It, put all that was a you understand, that was a raccoon. That's it. We're not talking about it no more. We know where, we know your wife works, you know, so it's just graduating college, right, You want that to still happened? That was a raccoon. Jay, Did you see its face at all when it was chasing you?

31:52 Yeah? It was like, no, I can't I can't describe his eyes. I can't describe its facial features because honestly, all I all I remember is there was a face. It wasn't the same as his hair, in his in his arms and everything coming at me. It was a bear, not a bear, but not it wasn't the same as everything else, you know, like it's you know, and it was, uh, but the rest of my attention was all on what he was doing, like the whole movements of his body. At first, like when I was watching it through the woods, I just was like trying to understand how I came to the Excuse me, I can't even the conclusion that it was a person I was seeing walk through the woods, because I didn't understand how he could be so big, you know what I mean, Like I knew it was far away, but once I knew it wasn't a massive branch it was falling, I didn't understand how person because and then when it came out and it hit into the parking lot, that was it.

33:08 Man, It just I got it. I got a chance. And that's why I was froze, because it was just coming at me. And I was just almost observing when I was seeing man, trying to process it and fear will give you a hernia. Wow, all right, I'm not sure that's intense. Alright. Intense is an understatement, all right, because they didn't come down for two weeks. But the thing was. Looking back now of course, uh, you know, I got the more probable explanation that it was some sort of you know, joke being played on me somehow, some high budget you know, craziness to scare one seventeen year old, you know what I mean, because I don't know what could explain what I saw.

33:59 And uh, I was like a clean napkin on a clean white silk handkerchief tied to an antenna of a car before it leaves California drive cross country. You know, Jay, did you did you go back to that area and look for tracks or anything like that? Yeah? Me and my well, me and my brother did when he came home, you know what I mean, my brother from uh in the in the war. But I was. He was he was coming home anyway when when at the time, and it wasn't. It wasn't the way I remember it. We went back several times, you know what I mean. And I think we even tried to go on Devil's Night.

34:46 In Halloween in Detroit. There's a Devil's Night is the night before Halloween, right especially back then, you know. But we tried to go back because my brother was the only one that actually we believe me, you know what I'm saying. My brother was the only one that actually believed me. But you know, I went. I went with my brother Shaggy, who's I called my brother. You know, we went and uh back during the day and all that, you know what I'm saying. But I didn't go. We didn't go back there and try to read summon anything or whatever until my until later. You know what I mean. You you went back and you tried to do some more Ultimate Warrior and tried to Oh yeah.

35:29 When my brother came home. Yeah yeah, when my brother came home from military. You know. Wow, Yeah, we did a story. Jay, That's an incredible story. It's embarrassing. You know. If I was watching this, I'd be like, oh man, that ain't even hardly a big because I've seen and heard some craziness, you know, I mean people, some people's stories. You know what My favorite big foot stories are when when people say they became friends with a sasquatch here, you know what I mean, like and they they befriended one and and and what it was like. I like hearing that because if it's tot well you know what I mean, it could be really cool, you know, and more possible to believe. But if it you know what I mean, because I want to believe do you do you believe?

36:22 Brother? Do you believe? Absolutely? Dude? I have had some I've had some things happen to me in Iowa when I was out with my friend Tate Hieronymous and uh Man. We were looking for sasquatch out in Iowa and we had wood knocks, We had a tree pushed over in front of us and audio recorder. Three forty five am that night, something on zip my tent and I didn't leave the tent at all. Dude. That's wild stuff, right, and that you can look up Tate dot Hornonymous on YouTube and you can watch he made a documentary on it. And it's the sounds there. Man, it's wild. So I believe in it. Man, Yeah, well I do. I mean, you know, like if I if I was on a if they if like if they had me in a guillotine and they're like, do you think there are are sasquatches?

37:09 Yes? You know, your life is in the line, you know what I mean, we know the answer. But if you're wrong, you know, if you're right, you can live or something. You know. I would probably have to say I had to say I seen one. I know what I saw it. If I hallucinated that was the only time ever in my life, you know what I mean that something like that has ever happened. I would have a history of seeing monsters and dragons and shit like that is the only time I ever saw anything like that. You know what I mean. Like it was outrageous, man, you know. So I had to say, yeah, man, what do.

37:52 You think of what do you think of Todd? Standing? So? Okay, all right, Uh, I don't think anyone will watched this episode anyways, Jake, don't know. So Todd is an interesting figure, right, And I will say hats off to you because I saw your interview with him on your live stream a year or so ago. It was very well done. I was, you know, I was very surprised. You guys are excellent interviewers, and that was a great interview with Todd. You know, the video he is captured is so much different than other representations of Sasquatch. It is a thing though that I would I would definitely want to go up there to the area in British Columbia myself before passing judgment, because I don't know if that's that's fair to do that without actually going up there.

38:50 But if I was to say look at it. I'd be like, Oh, I don't know if that's a normal look in sasquatch, But what is normal about a sasquatch? You know? Right? And the worst thing about bigfoots, and I say it all the time, is bigfoots look. Like a guy in a suit. Sure. I mean, like every single time you see a footage of it. It's like I said, it's too if bigfoots are real, that's a guy. What a guy in a suit looks like? You know what I'm saying, Like only giant. Like that's why everybody's gonna say that, because it's a walking thing that ain't a guy in a suit. Though it's a thing, right, I'm. Saying, like it's it's not like it's not like you're saying it's a.

39:33 Dragon or or like a mock man or something. It's like a possible thing from like evolution, you know what I mean, impossible you know, link between a gorilla and man, you know what I mean, somewhere in the center of that or something you know that whose existence is reliable on. Being a loosive. You know what I'm saying That that could be what the specie believes. It's like It's almost like the the. Their existence is smart enough to know to stay away from man, you know what I mean. They're extremely smart.

40:14 Yeah, yeah, man, because if they would, they probably knew, they probably saw. They're probably friends with the natives, right and actually helping in the crops and things, as the legend said has it. But when the uh Europeans came, then didn't our stand. So they're shooting, and then they became less and less and fearful, you know what I mean for their existence, and now their entire existence relies on being elusive, you know what I mean? And hidden and and. Uh absolutely, And there's areas. There's areas like southeast Oklahoma that is so remote but it gets so much rain, and there's these sasquatch there and like no one can touch them because they're so far out in the mountains except for like uh the N E.

41:01 W A. C. Which there's these hardcore guys that go out and study Bigfoot in the mountains of Oklahoma. Crazy stuff. Jay Man, Hey, brother, I know, listen, I was about to go out with Todd's stand. I do. I was about to go out with Todd's standing. I was going to age. I know you you wanted to go out with him per that interview. But did that happen? Well, first time we were booked. You know what I'm saying, We are literally going, I'm believing in two weeks from. Uh, but my girlfriend passed away. You know, it's all good drama, Obama, Listen. That was no. Hey, I appreciate that, you know, we but that I had to be like, I ain't coming out there right now, you know what I'm saying.

41:47 So, yeah, so we had to cancel on him. So we had another. Excurtison plan, you know what I'm saying, just recently, not too recently, maybe two months ago. That's pretty recent, right, that is very recent. Yeah, so we had another excursion plan right now seeing this girl and I was like, come on a big but you know, and it's funds that dope place to bring some ticks. You know what I meant, bomfire. Look at Todd's standing looking for me big foots because bro, if he's got some eight foot homie running around in the big foot suit in the middle of the night, you know, and he's because he's here's the way he does it. You understand, he's a genius either way. You gotta know this bro all right, all right, First of all, if if he's a bigfoot, if he if he's faking it, he's actually got built those made that documentary, built those masks and and had whatever he's done, and have everybody swore to secrecy or whatever whatever his secrets are, you know, saying, and now he charges people and brings them out to that location.

43:05 Right, Some people have sightings, he said. His website says, some people hear things, you know what I'm saying. Some people have nothing, you know what I mean. But he's costantly out there doing that and bringing people out there, you know what i mean. Is the way I understand it. And I'm like, that's genius if he thought of that all up. Like I'm gonna make a documentary that I film. These real sasquatches right in the face, you know, and then I'm gonna have it come out on YouTube and it's gonna blow up, and everybody's gonna think, I know a spot, you know what I mean. And then I'm gonna charge them all and bring them all in and come and see. And every once in a while, I'm at big Tim Duntown's seven foot nine uncle, you know what I mean.

43:47 Run around in a. The tobacco suit in through the woods, and he tells everybody, you know, here's the thing. They're up in Canada, right, he was up in Canada, So I can't nobody can bring me and my boys. Tempering the weapons up there. You know what I mean, I got all the weaponry, you know what I mean. He's like, I got the piece right here on the hill, you know. And then we hear bushes back, settle down, everybody staying with your seated. I got this, you know what I mean. And then he comes running back. That's or or we're all just sitting there. Somebody's talking to ustle. He's like any points over and you just see this guy in the moon.

44:31 Like running across the field in a sad suit, you know what I mean. You know what I mean, Like he's actually pulling that off. That's dope to me in a sense, like as from a hustler standpoint, he's getting paid. Now, flipside of all that, right, that's just the street. That's the street. And me, you know what I mean, it is I respect the hustle like that idea. Some talking about this just a couple months ago, you know, And now brother I'm out there. So I'm thinking, I'm breaking. I'm coming to the to the camp and sasquatches might show up and this is gonna be fun. And uh, he my brother's like, he wants to talk on the phone. You know, hm, I mean he wants to Yeah, you want to talk on phone. And I was like, why man, you know I like him? And then rere couse to him. I'm like, my brother set it up. He's like, no, he wants to talk on phone.

45:24 So I get on the phone right and the first thing we start talking about is he's talking about how nature man has lost touch with nature, you. Know what I mean. Bigs for a society will be right back after these messages. When he when he proves that squatches exist, it's gonna become such a hot commodity, a topic or whatever that it's gonna be ignite man's passion for nature, you know what I mean. And I was like, damn, that's ship.

46:13 That's a good way to think. But that's a lot, that's a big mission, you know, you know, so that's dope. Then he's like the first thing is being safe, be ready for a lot of walking, you know what I mean. And I'm like, hold absolutely, I'm like, I don't know about all that walking. What about a flour wheeler or something? What about He's like, now we're gonna have to do some walking, and I'm like, man, I was walking, you know, and he's like just being safe and I'm like I And then he was like. And no substances, no nothing to he ever snow flores?

46:57 Is that all right? You know? He's like because if he said, if you're alleviated in any way, and it's TODs cool. I guess, my boy. He gave me a little plaster of a big foot print and I love it. You know. I was in my bedroom wall. All right. But you know he said, if you're a need in any way, the sasquatch will sense that and they won't come, you know what I mean. But I just don't like the idea of going out there with my girlfriend and her friends and time everybody. We can't no beer at night around the bomb first a squat. I just don't like beer, just don't make just didn't sound right. Like the trip started to become like, I don't know, I'm lazy, man. I didn't want I would like to go on location, but here's the main reason.

47:42 Okay. He was like, where the documentary we was shot is snowed out this time of year. So but I know a different location we can go to and and want Washington or in Oregon or something like that. And I was like, here's my thinking. Here's my thinking, bro, this is where Todd's slipping. And I'm talking as Todd's as Todd's friend and as a fellow hustler. Okay, I got a clown pain. On my face. Don't forget.

48:24 I can see that. Todd is slipping because if he happened to catch bigfoot on film. Let alone, three right, or however. Meaning he did in that documentary, if he happened to go out there that weekend and catch those sasquatch, a family of Sasquatch on film, that would have been a miracle. Oh right, absolutely, come on, now, a miracle let alone. This is where he's slipping is now he knows two locations where the bigfoots are. I'm like, oh, you just know too, now, you know what I mean.

49:06 You caught bigfoots on film, You know what I mean? Like multiple times on that trip out there, you know the female one looking on you got them all in the face, running up a mountain, hiding up a tree. All right, you've got mad lucky, you're the man. You already got the belt. You know what I'm saying, You're the damp right, Yep, totally but yeah. Six Then when I go to his YouTube clips, he's like, I don't know if you hear somef sometimes like he looks at other views of sasquatches and he says, he says, uh, yes, that's very similar to the way sasquatches I've seen sasquatch wants to walk like that.

49:54 And then you're like, how many sasquatches has he seen? You know what I mean? And how does he know where all the sasquatches are? And I love Todd standing and I set at the beginning, I don't know why it's always royal rumble out here in the big world. Now I get it rumble for sure. Yeah, But at the same time, it's hard for everybody not to be like that because we all want to believe, okay, And when somebody starts talking about something that's hard for us to believe, you know what I mean, As a person, it gets to be frustrating. You're like, damn you had me for years, right, But now when I look at you, you act like you know all the hot spots all over western US and Canada, and you say it's because of your sasquatch senses. And that's more hard for me to believe in. It's like you believe in the Pattison Gillman, like they happened.

50:49 To catch it. They caught him, they caught it in the sixty seven they had them, you know, Patty they had on the court. I do, Oh yeah, I do, absolutely I do. That's probably one of the main reasons I do believe, you know what I mean. But but I've seen other footage that did I choose to believe, you know. I've seen the one you know, yeah, man, But but listen, let me be clear on tide. Yeah, I didn't want to. I didn't want to go. He probably would like my humor. And I don't know if we'd have to talk about sasquatches the whole time, you know what I mean, like like dog, how about only to get off the sasquatches since my fourteen hours combo, you know what I mean?

51:30 Like this? How about you know, I don't know, but I just I love time. I just like, keep it like that. I was like, maybe I better not go camping with him for the next four days off. Maybe it works sometime in the future, who knows. Yeah, I know you got tight knit. Well. I love time, Stanny, he came out my show, on our show. He's my boy. And but time, what say you fouled all them sasquatches? Come on, dog, the one you had a song? Stop already. So I'm a dick. I am a dick, now you get it. It's it's cool to talk, honestly. But the thing about you know, that area is crazy squatchy. There's a huge chance you could see something up there. But the cool thing about big Foot society is I invite people of all backgrounds to come on tell their story. And uh, you know, no hate, so no.

52:26 No doc please please everybody. I'm not blaming. I'm not just todd. I love time. Oh yeah, come on, man, let's all we love time for real. List Oh tell me tell me more. One more thing? All right, I got a question for you, brother. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry if I'm I'm geeking out, man, it's my I get to talk to Bigfoot. I'm loving this, dude, I'm loving this. Brother. Listen, have you ever heard the story from the two girls that grew up on a farm with their grandfather raising basically a baby sasquatch.

53:10 No, I've never heard the story. Oh are you serious? Where does this take place? Oh? Man, I hope somebody listen and can tell us because I can't remember the name. But listen, it's a story to the writer is writing the story. But the story is the two girls with their grandfather had burned a big, huge pile of logs. I believe at the beginning of the story, the little girls were probably seven and eight or something like that, and their grandfather burned a big thing in logs, and he heard some screaming and. He went over there and it was a baby sasquatch. And he pulled it out of the logs and the smoke, and he put it in his barn. And that night something came and broke it out of there from the outside, like they really like it was probably its parents or something came broke to the sasquatch out right.

54:00 Two nights later, it was back and he put it back in the burn and it just and he would feed it and it would go back, and it was and after a while, they would ring a big bell and it would come out and eat, and the girls would hide up in the trees because it wouldn't come out. If the girls were around, you know what I mean. And the girls said it taught the grandpa how to pull fish out of the river, and he raised it from when it was a baby by feeding it all the time. And but they never had like too much physical connection, you know what I mean. It was just like he would it would trust them and they would sit there together and stuff. And it's a fascinating out of all the. Bigfoot stuff I seen and read, that story is fascinating, man, because these two girls, according to the writer of the book, and it's an audiobook, and I'm hoping somebody will hear what I'm saying and know what I'm talking about. It it's a it's a they grew up on a farm, I believe in North Carolina. And it is the coolest, most highly detailed story. And the woman writing the book is interviewing these two sisters trying to catch them in lives, like she's telling you in the book, and it's an audiobook too, but she's telling you how she's trying to catch them up, but they're there is no catching them up because they both were like raised.

55:20 In the same thing. And they talk about how one part. In the book they talk about how the girls they're now in like high school and they're dating these college kids. Right, So something happened in the main house. There was some sort of issue. So they were having they were staying out in a trailer next to the farm, in a trailer, and they were having holiday dinner, and the old man forgot to feed the sasquatch. So they're having holiday dinner and there was a round circle in the wall where a fan would go into this trailer, but it was no fan in there. And the college kid is sitting there and the kids and they're all talking, laughing, have a holiday dinner, and the fast watch reaches in you know what I mean.

56:05 It grabs the kid's shoulder, and the kid's screaming. He sees the giant man catchers mid size. He's screaming, and the old Man's like, ah. Damn it, fade I see it. Why, He's like, give it dog food. So she just filled up a. Big bowl of dog food and went out there and set it down, and she said it looked at her and sat and did what she believed was saying thank you in the grab the food and blessed with it. You know what I mean, Oh, I said thank you or something to that gesture, you know. But when you hear the way she describes it, you know, anyway in the book, so she's like, this is where I caught him.

56:46 So she's like, what was the kid's name? Because when the lady the girl who's now like my age, these girls are like not my age now like fifty right, She's like, what was your boyfriend's name? He's like Jimmy swamp saying or whatever. You know, she knew the name or whatever. She's like, look to do it up. She found the dude, can't do it. Grab me. It's a bigfoot. They live with begfoots out there. That's why I love this book. It's the most convincing because she did her research any of these girls trying to prove them wrong, and it's the most detailed convincing story of what I think a sasquatch would be, you.

57:28 Know what I mean. He's under the name Homia. She also goes into other details where it's just like I think, like it sounds exactly what I believe would happen. You know what I'm saying, like it's and how I it sounds believable. And as the woman writing the book tells the research, it's it has a fascinating ending at the end. Man, I just advise it to everybody. Man, if if someone watching knows what book this is, put it in the comments so we can check it out. And Jay, I got one more question for you. This is from some of my friend ashers from on Wednesdays We Talk Weird podcast. She was like, you got to ask, Jay, is the whoop whoop? Is that like the big Foot whoop?

58:20 You know, the whoop whoop that ICP does. Is that the same thing as the big foot woop? That's so weird because I never really put them together, you know, I mean I did before recently, but because we put it on a we did like a bigfoot jersey, you know, all right, and and we were trying to think of what to put on the back, and we were like, well, you know, big person are. Like whoop who yeah, and we're like, with that's sort of what we do, whoop whoop. You know, maybe there's some sort of connection. There, man, Maybe who knows. I never did uh make that connection, but maybe it's all writing within the same dimension, you know what I mean? Some if that makes any sense.

59:01 Jay, It's been so fun talking to you. I want to be respectful of your time. If you ever have any other friends that have seen Bigfoot, send them my way to Big for Society. I'd love to talk to them. Uh, jugglos. If you're watching this, email me Big for Society at gmail dot com. If you've seen Bigfoot, Jay, is there anything you want to share? Like? How can people keep up to date with what you're doing all that good stuff? Uh? My Instagram at vima j dot I c P and that's probably the best way, you know, or or the real ice what is it? The real ICP, the real ICP on Instagram or Facebook and all that, you know what I mean. But we're always doing this, man, we I had fun. Man, Hey, one more quick question.

59:49 You've ever seen you ever seen that movie Bigfoot Country? I haven't? Actually? Is it? Good man? It's it's dope. It's it's a low budget movie, but it's just funny and it's dope. Man. I'm gonna check it out. I'm gonna chat you got it? To my boy Richie Mac. He was like that movie sucked. I was like, you're crazy. That movie was fresh. You gotta watch In Search of Bigfoot from the seventies. It's so good. You will love it. You've seen it with Robert W. Morgan I met him. It's all like creepy and weird and black and white and crazy, right, so good. I love it. I love it.

1:00:29 I love it's yeah, he is he is. But uh, thank you brother. We can do this again, man, I love, I love. If you ever need a panel or anything just looking at it or anything brow. Out, We'll be in touch. Jay. Thanks so much for reaching out. Brother, Thank you, my man. Peace. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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1:02:52 Her and I can get it out here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe will give them the courage to come out. And now it feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you Need you tell, because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you