I Moved to a Pennsylvania Hot Spot!

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1:02 Pretty good? Pretty good? Thanks for having me. Absolutely, you know, if I think we have quite the road to to cover, and this is going to be a conversation that I'll be uh, I'll be talking through as well. Sometimes we have episodes like that, which is awesome. I enjoy when we have a conversation back and forth. But Dusty, I'm gonna let you go ahead and definitely take the reins for the beginning and take us back to when you first started some having some interactions with Bigfoot. All right, Well, I have always had some weird happenings.

1:44 We had camped around the Michelle State Forest area when I was younger. We used to do a lot of camping trips and stuff, and one of the places we would camp at was Hosac Run, which is actually Caledonia part of the State forest right off the Appalachian Trail, and our family would always get like the secluded area, like way back in the edge of the campground part of the forest area. Like more we would always have I would always find myself having like strange happenings, like little weird noises and stuff. At night, while everybody else is, you know, tucked away sleeping or what have you. You know, I'd just be sitting at the campfire and stuff. And sometimes we would have like pebbles thrown like little tiny rocks and stuff, and I'd be like, is that my cousin's playing tricks on me? And then I'd be like, oh, they're sleeping. So it wasn't the It wasn't that at all.

2:51 So I didn't really I have grew up and heard stories, and you know, you watch out for the hide behind and you know, the creatures in the forest. You know, don't go don't go whistling in the forest and stuff like that. Don't go by yourself, always know, let people know where you're at, stuff like that. And I guess a lot of that was for you know, abductions and stuff too, not necessarily for Bigfoot, but any kind of abductions. There's some weirdos out there. But I always made a joke about twenty ten, twenty eleven ish, I had moved up to that area and I had like a four acre lot that was tucked up against the corner of the woods, and all that woods that wasn't mine was all state forest. When I had moved up there. The very first time I went up into those woods actually is when I had a actually had a encounter, like an actual sighting. It was very weird. I just went up, you know, we just moved in. I was like, I'm going to go check the lay of the land. I had one son already in my my fiance at the time was pregnant with my second son. And I've always

4:24 been into hunting and fishing, always been outdoorsy. I grew up on a farm, so I went up and I'm looking at trails, looking for signs for deer and whatever kind of wildlife may have been up there. And I noticed that a little bit after my property line into the woods, there's like an old logging road. So I was like, oh, check this out, you know. I'm walking a little bit and then walking around it found all kinds of deer trip deer signs, scat footprints, even some buck rubs. I was like, Oh, nice, I moved into a nice hotspot. I guess nobody really hunted up here before.

5:13 And as I'm walking around checking stuff, I just happened to look up and I saw something. I'm like, what the heck is this? This was like forty to fifty yards away, straight ahead of me. It was this. I feel it was like a juice, like an adolescent sasquatch. It felt like it was like a teenager. By its appearance, it didn't look like it was old, it looked young. It was by itself, and it was doing this weird like hide behind, like crouched down behind a fallen tree and a tree stump, and was like looking up and around, up and over, up and over, like you could see from its chest up and it would crouched, like stayed crouching, but it would like peer up and look around, and I'm like, what the heck. So I guess it was like as surprised as me to see somebody up there, and I was like, what is that. That's not a bear.

6:30 We don't have bears that color. It was, like I said, it was like an auburn, like a reddish brown, and I was like, this is weird. So I'm like looking around, like scanning the whole area, and I'm like, there's nobody out here but me. Uh So, as I'm scanning, I look up at in its direction again and it was closer. Now this time it was behind a big tree that was standing, and it was like thirty feet closer, and I'm like, what the heck, Like I didn't even hear it move, but it's closer, and I'm like thinking in my head, like what the heck is this what is going on? Like I'm freaked out. I'm like all senses going, adrenaline pumping, and I'm like and here it's like half of its bodies like sticking out around the tree and kind of like doing this like lean out look, and then they would like slowly go back behind the tree and lean back out. And the wind was kind of blowing, so I noticed it was trying to mimic like how the wind like mimic like it was flowing with the wind.

7:53 And I'm like, wow, like completely blown out of my mind, but scared at the same time. So I'm like, I don't have the gun or anything on me. I didn't. I don't even think I had a knife on me at the time. So I start looking around me, and I didn't want to like take my eyes off of it too much because of how much distance it had covered in like probably it was probably like forty five seconds wor at the time, thirty to forty five seconds worth of time. So I'm scanning around me, and I see a stick and I look up and here it was even closer again. Now this time it's like this thing's probably like twenty five yards away now, and I'm like I found a big limb that was like a stick that was lying and it was like still hard.

8:53 It wasn't rotted or anything. So my instinct was to grab this stick with me ben down and grabbed this stick while looking at it with my right hand, and there was a big tree next to me. So I was just went bang whack whack, like three or four times and went raised it up over my head and went ah and yelled. Well, I looked at the tree while I was hitting it, and when I raised up my stick and went ah, it was gone. Like all I seen was tree branches wiggling, and I'm like, what the heck? Like I was like all but frozen with fear because I've never encountered anything like I've witnessed black bears come through to camp site while we're camping. Never got this type of fear, ever, And I'm like, where did it go? Like I'm looking, I'm scanning the whole area now, mind you, my property is to my back, my house, and my at the top of the hill, my yard woods like a big hill that went to the woodline and then the forest began. So I'm like about i'd say, one hundred feet into the woods when this had happened.

10:21 And. I'm just scanning and looking all over the place and there's no sign of anything being there except for those tree branches wiggling from where I saw it last. So I got down to the yard, I got out of the woods. I was like, this is this can't even be happening, Like what is going on here? And as I'm walking through the yard into the house, I'm like, I'm never going in the woods without protection again, Like this was scary now it didn't. It seemed like it was curious, not aggressive or anything like that. So I went in and my fiance saw my face and she's like, what's up with you? And I'm like, I don't even know.

11:18 And I went up and grabbed my gun. I had a rifle, a high caliber rifle that I had grabbed in my pistol, and on my pistol belt had a machete, so I grabbed put that on and I went up in the woods and I was like, She's like, what are you doing. I was like, I'm not going in that woods without protection again, and do not let the kids play in the woods by themselves, which I only had the one son at the time. And he was really little. But I was speaking in future reference, expecting to live there for longer than I did. I ended up just living there for about five years. But I went up I didn't see any footprints or anything like that.

12:08 It was kind of like a summer, dry time of the year, so the ground was pretty hard, and where it wasn't hard, it was pretty spongy. It's kind of like a three different types of terrains up there. You have like rocky, mountainous dirt, and then you have like a rainforest type of area, like climate area, where it's the ground's real spongy. It's just a tree debris that is rotted into dirt, and to walk on it, it sponges and it lifts back up. It's it's like walking on a on a sponge really. So I walked over looking for any kind of signs or whatever, and I'm like, well, I see a trail, like, uh, like where something had moved through that, and I'm like looking, I'm walking around, Well here, I'll start following this trail just being curious.

13:16 I don't know why I decided to do this after this encounter. I guess my mind wouldn't let me let it rest until I've figured something out. So I'm walking and I started finding these other areas where these trees were knocked down and they were like laid on top of each other and stuff. And there was one that was like it wasn't like they were like all uprooted. Some of them were snapped about two feet up from the base and they were like like criss crossed and laying on top of each other. And I'm like, in this one, it was broke about four foot up from the ground. And I now this one was probably about i'd say the width of a large coffee can. And I'm like, this is weird. I don't see any other trees in the area except for right in this little area where they had fallen down. Like so I'm looking around the stuff and maybe I can find some hair or something. I didn't end up finding any hair, but I did find stuff where like something ran over some of these trees and knocked the bark off. It was

14:47 like fresh bark knocked off. And so I'm looking around that area and something just this weird noise happened. And then I heard another noise that was a little bit to the right of me, like I had a diagonal, but up higher into the ridges, and I was like, this sounds like something's communicating. Big for society will be right back after these messages.

15:42 And that's when I was like, maybe that was the parents trying to ward me off and scare me off from chasing their young one. So I was up there for about an hour hour and a half at the most. The trail went cold, I felt, and all this stuff happening. I was like, all right, I think it's time to just head back to the house. But I never went in those woods again without at least a slug gun or a pistol and a slug gun. Even if I was cutting firewood, I wouldn't go up in those woods without anything. There was times where I was up cutting firewood in the snow, standing dead and stuff cutting to roll.

16:43 I'd cut it in lengths of like eight ten feet and throw them up on my shoulder and walk them to the edge of the woodline boo, roll them down the hill into a pile. And then uh, that was that that instance. Do you mind if I asked some questions real quick about what you just shared? Go ahead, cool, go ahead. Are you able to explain or you know, you mentioned it was a weird some weird noises that you you heard. Can you describe, like what kind of noise it? It sounded like.

17:30 It sounded like like a weird bird, but it didn't sound like a bird. Like it sounded like something trying to sound like a bird, but you could tell it wasn't a bird, and you could tell a difference in between the pitches and the tones of being different ones. Like I guess it was like the mother and the father. I'm assuming. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I feel like that's what it what it was now, it didn't Yeah, it kind of sounded like a weird bird, almost like a like some like if some kid was trying but an adult like didn't know how to make a crow sound, but make trying to make a crow sound.

18:26 Yeah, that that makes sense. Was it similar to any birds that you'd have in the area. No, I mean, there's plenty of crows around, but it wasn't a crow. You know, It's like it's kind of hard to explain really. Also, I heard like rust like stuff moving way off in the distance, something big like it was almost like it was trying to head me off, but stay at its own distance at the same time. So yeah, and then after I got real silent and it felt like the trail went cold. That's when I had it back down.

19:17 When you had a view of it as it was starting to get, you know, closer to you. Do you remember what color hair it had on it. Yeah, it was like a like a reddish brown, more red than brown. And it was real skinny and slender, and it was bigger than a person. Like I'm five eleven and this thing it looked like it was like seven foot tall or more, judging from the branches, because I checked out when I walked up there, I was like taking reference of the branches where it was standing here, and I'm like, these branches are like seven foot high off the ground, like, and they were right in near it's like headline, and I'm like, this isn't a person in a suit or anything. Nobody playing tricks on the a let's mess with the new neighbor or nothing like that.

20:22 But the face it looked young because you could see its face even at that distance, you could you could see its face like it kind of looked like a man, but it didn't. And the height and the color of it, I was like when nobody would be using a gilly suit like that to even be up in the woods because it wouldn't really blend into anything. There's no dead pine trees around, you know, like that would be the only instance where somebody would try and use that coloration in a gilly suit or anything. And it was built like muscular build, but slender. Yeah, that's why I think it was. It was as curious as I was, but maybe a little more curious.

21:16 Absolutely, do you remember any certain details about the face that stood out? You had said that there are parts of it that that didn't look like a man or a human. Do you remember what parts specifically made you think they're looking at something else? Yeah. It was like a leathered, leathered like texture, but like an ash gray like coloration to it. But it looked weathered like for reference, if somebody works out in the sun a lot, how their face gets leather like worn looking to get extra wrinkle and stuff in their face like a It looked like that, but it was gray like ash gray. And it had a weird nose like I call it, like a spaded nose or like a shovel shaped nose. It was kind of flatter than a normal like a bridge of a nose, like it had a bridge, but it was the nostrils were flared more like flattering. It was like flared more.

22:39 And that's really interesting. Was their hair on the face at all? No, not the face was completely bare. The hair was around it, all around it, and the fingers, the fingers didn't have a lot of hair on them neither. I noticed that because while it was like at the tree, you could see its hand on the side of the tree as it was like swaying in and out from behind the tree, trying to mimic the branches swaying in the wind and stuff. But then it was doing it offbeat from the wind as well, And that's what really made me catch on to it the first time, because it was like at a stump that was probably about waiste height, and then there was like it was all roddy and stuff, so it kind of blended in with that coloration. But the fact that it was moving is what caught my eye as I was out scouting. So that's what when I looked up and I saw it peak up and around while it was still crouched. It was kind of like hunkering down and then peeking up and around and hunkering down. And I never saw it like stand up, stand up. I just saw it move like I saw it at one position, and then I scanned around, looked. I looked from around me from left to right and back again. And then when I came

24:12 back to pinpoint, back on to it again. That's when I noticed it was closer. During the time that you were able to get a look at it, did you notice it had any emotions to its face at all? Yeah, it was surprised. And then it got to a point where when it was behind the tree standing it was you could tell it had like a curious look on his face, like what is going? What is what is what are they doing? Does he see me? Does he he's looking at me? Does he see me? Like kind of like a puzzled look, puzzled and curious at the same time. And then when I grabbed the stick, I kept my eyes on it. When I grabbed the stick, I bent down and grabbed it, and it like I had like an expression like WHOA, what's he doing now?

25:18 You know, like uh yeah. Those were the only couple of expressions that I had noticed. Was this the the only interaction that you had with with whatever was in the backwoods behind your house. No. No, there was times where I was out hunting and I did a lot of ground hunting because with it being part of the forest and stuff, I didn't really know at that time. I was pretty young in my early year twenties at that time, and I was like I didn't really know what the laws were like if I could put a tree stand up or anything with it being like state forest or whatnot. So I was doing a lot more ground hunting. So I would follow the trails and then find spots like volts or nice outcroppings to tuck into and sit. Sometimes there's like a whole thick rhododendron mountain Laurel Forest Park aspect to it, that's like another climate of it. You get into that and it's real thick, but you see deer trails and stuff where it's like tunnels. So you're getting down and like crawling through these tunnels. And then there was a point where I was doing that and then it was like a space in there where it was like it blew my mind. I was like something's been bedding down

26:51 in here, but it doesn't look like deer, like deer could have been in there. I didn't really see any sign of deer. I did find while I was before I crawled in through some of those tunnels. I did find some scat, and I just thoughted off as like a buck scat, because bucks a difference between a bucks and a doze. Poop a buck, it'll be pellets, but it'll be clumped in like the shape of a turd. But this was in that shape, but it wasn't real pellety like U and the deer. There are days they pooped more scattered pellets, and the young ones will as as well too, So I was like, huh, they must have ate something wet or something. It didn't really form into pellets. It just kind of came out like a turd.

27:52 And then I'm like thinking to myself, well, usually if they eat something wet and it makes them founder, they usually get the runs instead of cooping anything solid at all. So I was kind of puzzled by that. But while I was in there, in that clear like matted down area inside there, I call it a clearing, but it was still enclosed above me like a canopy, So it's kind of like a cave inside. This word avndra for us, and I could hear stuff outside, and I'm like, oh, maybe I kicked some deer up, so I scurried on out. But I never saw any deer running. And all the noise I ever heard was always out of like at a distance, at a distance at least twenty thirty feet distant, in the thick of the cover behind cover. That was my first mountain house. I had another mountain house up in that area as well. That one I was at a lot longer, and I had a lot of strange stuff going on there. I had yeah, see, I had a four acre lot there with natural spring streams and runoff streams that would come down, and my house was

29:24 kind of like in the corner of like a little field, and the rest was like all the forest and wooded h I had four acres and or four and a half acres, and what wasn't mine was all the state forest. Again big for society. Who would be right back after these messages.

30:06 And this one I would I had some stuff. I would get corn from a farmer at work, and I would put out in piles on the off season. I wouldn't bait deer to haunt over the pile or anything like that. I fed the squirrels and the turkeys because I liked them. Teaching my sons about the stuff too. I figured I'd pass on the legacy like my father had to me when we were young. Gettysburg is pretty close to that area and where we grew up, so we would when we were young, we would get in like camouflage and go out to the battlefield, and because nobody would be able to hunt out on the battlefield, and that would be kind of like our training for hunting, because we would get all canoed out and see how close we could get to the herds of deer before where we would skip before they would get alerted and get spooked and run off. And it was actually something my dad did when he was younger too with my pappy, so he kind of passed it on to us. And you know, it was like training in a sense. So there was times where some of the corn it would be shelled corn, but there'd still be some that would still have like chunks of corn cob or some cobs still there. And there would be times you'd notice it disappearing and I go up put some out and then

31:40 wait a week or two and then go up and check it again, and all right, that's gone. I'll put some more out. So after about a year and a half or so of doing this, one time I put corn out and I went up two days later because it was right by behind. It was like a clearing behind my burnt my fire pit. I had like a ten foot stone fire pit that I made, and we would have bonfires there and on the front half of it, or the front third, like if you were to this ten foot around in the front third of it, I would use for cooking. I would. I work with woods.

32:20 So I was like, heck, I worked with all kinds of hardwoods and stuff. This is awesome. I can just cook on the pit. Actually I was cook on that pit even when it was snow out. Sometimes I had a pathway shoulder up there. I loved cooking on that thing. So I went up like two days later and all the corn was gone. And it wasn't like no like little kernel's remnants laying behind or nothing. It was like something like ate it all and swept the area clean. It was all fresh dirt, like fresh fresh. You could smell the fresh dirt. What the heck? So I was like, all right, Well, I got another. I got the other half of this bag, I'm gonna go down and throw it out. So I did that, and this time I took a couple of little tree limbs, like little twiggly limbs, and just like laid it on top of the corn, thinking like maybe this will slow them down a little bit or something. So I went up on the weekend, like a Saturday, and the little twiggly things were gone completely.

33:33 It wasn't like it was just set off to the side or drugged away or anything like that. I'm like, what the heck's going on here? Like the squirrels ain't doing this, and the turkeys aren't doing this. I can't really see the deer grabbing the tree limbs and putting them back into a brush pile or something. So I just went about my way, kept doing it, and then eventually I would put two corn cobs on top, and I just like laymp side by side and just set them on top of I'm like, all right, let's see what happens here after about the fifth or sixth time of replenishing this, after it's been completely dusted away, like there wasn't even any like dust leftover from the corn or anything. It was weird. So I came back and all the corn was I left it go for like two weeks, and I come back and all the corn was gone, even the cobs. And I'm like, man, they say they must be having a rough year if they're that hungry. They're eating the cobs too. So I filled it again on the two week mark, and then I

35:03 put bigger limbs where it was like i'd say about inch long at where they broke off of the tree and stacked like a little bit of a brush like one top of it, thinking maybe it'll last a little longer. So I went back up three days later, and these limbs were literally like thrown like you can see where it was like thrown and then stuck like some of them would dig into the dirt a little bit where the heavy end was the base I guess you would call it. And I'm like, what the heck is going on?

35:48 This is freaking weird. So I'm like, all right, you know what, I'm going to give them two weeks off, see how they like that. Maybe they'll appreciate it a little more or something, you know, just thinking stupid stuff to myself because it was getting a little expensive. I was getting a bag of corn from the farmer. It was like fifty pounds for like eight bucks at the time. And I came back after the I didn't necessarily go back after two weeks that time. I went back three weeks later and there was two corn cobs placed in an x in the bear spot. And now, mind you, when I left the last time, there was nothing there whatsoever, And the limbs were laying it like stabbed into the dirt twenty feet away from where I stuck them, ten twenty feet away from where I stuck them somewhere ever closer, somewhere farther. But it's like something walked over and just like if I were to walk up to it and be like huh and just reach down and chuck the limbs off to the side just to get to corn.

36:57 And like, I'm like, what the heck's going on here? This ain't squirrels. Squirrel might be carrying a lot of this stuff back and hiding it or putting it in their nest, but they're not going to put these corn, these two corn cobs here in the middle like an X. I was like something I'm thinking back to my other encounters and I'm like, they're literally asking me for more. In my mind seeing this, you know what I mean, Like, what does that in nature? A bear's not going to do that, A deer is not going to do that, and I'm pretty sure a squirrel's not going to do that either. So I've filled about. I'd like a camp a boy boy scouts like a knapsack backpack, like a canvas backpack, and that's what I was feet. I would fill it up and they it would hold about fifteen pounds of corn, and I'd carry it up and i'd stick it dumped it out. So I dumped it out.

38:10 I put the two corn cobs back on top like an X again and laid a big limb on top of it. Now, this is like a twenty foot limb that had branches coming off of the limb itself and everything. I went up. Eight days later, the limb was pulsed aside again. This time the big part, the bottom or the base part of it was stuck up in a tree limb, and the twiggly parts was down into this fallen tree that was back behind that fallen hemlock tree that came down in a storm about a year beforehand.

39:02 And all the corn was gone again. But there's two corn cobs were stuck back in that spot, that bear spot, fresh soil showing in an ex and I'm like, get out of here, no way, Like I can't even tell people about it. They're not going to do this, Like there's no way this is happening right now. So that land once for a good while, pretty much until I got tired of this having corn disappear in a very fast amount of time. I had gotten some chickens from my dad before he had gotten sick, so I ended up with like I had a couple myself, and then I got all of his, so I ended up with like thirteen hens that were all laying chickens egg laying chickens, and so I was like, well, I need to spend money on chicken feed now instead of feeding the wildlife.

40:06 So I went on with that and kind of gave that part of but I would have some weird stuff happening to me while I was up hunting too. Ah. There was one time, well, I gotta before I get into the hunting things. It's about half a year a year or so, not quite half a year, but not quite a year. After I'd gotten the chickens. For some reason, my dog would go to the wall that was in between like facing the chicken coot. It was a shed that I turned into a chicken coot and had to run and fenced out around it and everything made a laying box for him and everything that didn't go out, and I would let them wall while range free range feed on bugs and stuff. I got a lot more eggs from them that one, nice big ones too, extra proteins and stuff. This was at like twelve thirty at night.

41:30 My dog went to that wall, hair standing up, growling, head down like she was pointing, but in like defensive mood. And I was trying to call her over, Callie, come in, come here. She wouldn't come and respond to me. She at one point she looked at me like out of the side of her eye and went right like stayed growling, and she didn't bark, but she crowed like a like a vicious growl. And I was like, I have never heard her do that before in my life. She used to be like a sentry guard to my kids when they were babies, Like nobody would be able to go near the bassinette but me and the mother, But she never made that kind of noise. She would just but she was viciously growling at the wall, and I'm like, what the heck. So I'm like, I wonder if there's a bear out there. So I go. I grabbed my gun out of the closet they had the I had a closet down and the one room at the bottom of the steps. Then I had a gun safe in there.

42:47 So I grabbed my gun out. I walked out the back door, which was actually ironically the door that we used. The front door was kind of sealed off. Yeah, so we just used that and there's a pathway between the house and that SHD. So I got my light, I got my gun. I'm looking scanning in the yard, scanning the chicken cut chickens. Chickens weren't even really like making any noise or anything. What the heck's going on here? She had. I would mix the feed in like a steel trash can of the lid. I would get like three different types of bags of stuff, corn, pellets, and uh birds while birds seed, and I mix that up and that's what I fed my chickens. I'm like, well, nothing messed with the cane or nothing that did still want it. So I went back in and eventually I got her to calm down, but uh, it took about an hour and a half for her to actually like stand down, And when she did, she was like like smort and like like she was frustrated. Should have sensed what I was sensing, Like she was irritated with me and whatever was out there. At the same time, she would kind of do that little routine and that just

44:18 that was another thing that just like fucked me up. And I didn't see any signs. Nothing was really messed with. I don't know if like they heard her. It was like being curious what but uh yeah. So then there was times where I'd be out hunting and I would hear that I hear a weird birds sound again. This time it was like something trying to mimic a turkey call, to the point where it sounded mechanical, like like a rusty barnhinge door like kind of sound. Well, not haunting normally dusty.

45:05 Sorry, I apologize real quick. Are you saying that the the turkey call sounded rusty or it was a completely different sound than the turkey call. Yeah, it sounded like somebody was it sounded like there. I knew there was turkeys up there because I had have them come through my yard and I'd have them across the road from me. You could see them big for society would be right back after these messages.

45:47 It'd be like four or five harems out there, Tom's and all these hens and the jakes walking around and stuff. I've dealt. I've haunted turkeys and encounter turkeysack. We used to raise them on the phone and release them. But it wasn't it sounded like something trying to make a turkey call. It sounded mechanical, like like a metal rusty barn hinge instead of an actual like turkey turkey call. And it wasn't like somebody was out some novice hunter was out there trying to make turkey sounds, because I'm like, well, you was hunting turkeys in the deer season, like you don't do that, But yeah, it was. It sounded literally like after it got closer and stuff, it sounded literally like somebody was taking a rusty barn door and opening up and the hinges was like, and I'm like, what the heck is this going on? And in the woods would get silent like you wouldn't hear no insects, you wouldn't hear news, like, no squirrel activity anymore, no crows calling, nothing, no birds nothing. It was complete dead silence, like a hormoney whoa. Now. The only time I've ever noticed it gets silent in the woods is hey, when I'm walking

47:18 to my tree stand, if I'm too loud, or if I have my kids with me and they're walking louder than I do. Until after you get settled, after about a half hour, activity will pick back up again and stuff like that. But it was nearly dead silence, and it never got real close. It always stayed off like forty yards away, forty fifty yards away that sound. That was the closest that ever got. But you would hear it always away like over on the other writ like kind of like rolling up through there. It would like you'd have like a ridge line, and then it would plateau a little bit, and then it would have another ridge line up up like a up climb to another top, and then flatten out for a while and then it would raise up again. That's how it is up through there on that that area. And there's a bunch of old log words over there too, from back in the back in the early nineteen hundreds and stuff when they were logging out of there. I've actually found old log foundations from like camps where they would have like like a supply camp or like a rest camp or whatever for their workers and stuff like that, maybe like a mess hall type deal, just the old foundations where it

48:51 would be like four log stack tie all the way around, and then I guess they would put like their their canvas. Can it be up like a canvas pavilion type thing or enclosed tent what have you. So, But yeah, there'd be other times where I'd be up there hunting and you know, I hear squirrels drop down. You can tell, like I've been hunting all my life and out in the wilderness all my life, even when I wasn't hunting, just hiking. I love taking in nature, exploring. I love exploring.

49:35 That's my that's my nature. And there'd be times where like you could hear squirrels run around and I'd be watching them and stuff, and it would sound like something something coming in either it'd be in front of me or beside me or behind me, and then activity would stop again, Oh what's going on? Here, and I know there's some black bears around the area. They're pretty scarce, so they don't really they don't really come around during the daytime too much, especially near residential areas. They usually wait till the cover of darkness to go and knock it over people's bird feeders and eat all that up and stuff like that. I actually had one bear that I had chased out of my chicken shed coop area, and that was like sniffing around my feed can I call it a feed can trash can that I had with the lid, had my feed stored, and I'd come in from work and bear would go running up through the through the yard and into the woods. That happened like once or twice, but that was that was more after my dog got older and wasn't going out quite as much. I guess they sensed, hey, this dogs not out and about not as active around here, so let's go see what we can see type of deal. But

51:10 uh yeah, so I would play that stuff off a little bit. One time, my kids were my boys were out side playing and they're about eight and ten maybe give or take a year, maybe a little younger, and I was outside doing stuff, splitting wood for the fire pit and cleaning out the chicken coop and stuff. And I come back out and they're up in the trees, climbed up real high, higher than I ever seen them climb.

51:54 They never really even climbed the trees. Really, they're adventurous, but they weren't. They never really climbed tree. Was like that, and I was like, I didn't see him at first. I was nervous. I was like, you know, hollering for him and my oldest boys like over the air and kind of like chuckled and laughed. I'm like, oh, what are you doing up there, dude? And he's like, well, where'd he go? I'm like who? And he's like the gorilla man. I'm like what. He's like, yeah, he told us how to climb the tree. So we did it. And I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? Like what like? So I'm like, well, come down, and they're like we're having fun. So I'm like, well, just be careful, make sure you don't like step on any small branches, make sure you test them first before you put your weight on them, and always have three points of contact.

52:54 And he's like now, and I'm like went back to like doing my thing, but always looking about at the same time, like Leary, like the gorilla man. Did they see something like I seen years ago? Like I've never heard him say this before, Like this was odd, this was strange. I've never heard him say anything like that again or before. So I kind of asked him. I was like, well, what did it look like? And they're like, I don't know, like a gorilla man. And I'm like, are you can messing with me? And they're like no, he was over in the woods, and I was like, what the heck? So I was like all right. When they got him in, I was like, well, come on down, it's about time for dinner. So I got him inside and I pulled the mother aside and I'm like, look, don't ever let them play outside by themselves, at least be on the porch or sitting on the steps or something if you're not tending to the chickens or something like that, because I was in like I didn't want them to get snatched up or anything like I don't even know what I would do or something like that happened with my kid, Like that's my kid, you know what I mean?

54:25 Did she also ever have a sighting that you're aware. Of, not that I'm aware of, but I think the boys had something else happen, because there was times where like they would ride their bikes down the hill of the yard and they would ride it around the house and then go back up to up by the fire pit, and that was like their little syndicate looper whatever. And there was a couple of times where I was like, Oh, they're just out riding their bikes. They're cool, and she was like she had this weird expression on her face that I've never really seen her have before, and she was like, uh, I'll go out and sit with them, okay.

55:21 But no, not that, not that she'd ever like conveyed to me that her relays and that she ever had any kind of experience or anything. She never really went into the woods too much unless I was like, hey, come check this out. Like I did show that to her a couple when that corn pile stuff was going on, and she was just like big eyed looking at me, like what the heck are you talking about? Dude? What am I looking at? She was I don't know if she was grasping it or if she was surprised or what like, but no, she didn't really have anything like that happened. But there was a couple of times. There was one time in particular, after you walk into the opening out by my fire pit into the woods, it was like an opening and it was like kind of clear, but still had some older tall trees. Now these trees are at least sixty seventy foot tall, big old trees, I mean big around as a dresser. And there was one right near this streambed bank where my artesian well was, and it had like a little cubby hole in the root system there, and it was like a little shelf bank that I could actually sit there and I would hunt there sometimes if I didn't feel it, like if

56:53 I didn't feel like doing a lot of walking, and I knew noticed that nobody, like none of the kids were out playing up that way too much or whatever. I just would be like, oh, I'll just sit out here for a couple of hours, see if there any deer come rosing down through the trails. Well, I noticed there was this one tree, and there's a network of trails I was straight across from where I sat, and this thing was about the size of a between a two liter and a one liter bottle of soda in a diameter, and I had seen it while I was walking trails one day. I would walk trails and go up around and explore and stuff. And well I did this little like big loop. I went up and found the wall road and followed the wall, rode down and then found the other stream that fed the other side of my yard. And I was like, I followed the stream and then I came to this fern patch. It was like a big clearing the ferns growing in it.

58:02 It was kind of like salgy, mushy, spongy type ground there, but there was like a clearing in the canopy where the sun came through. And I guess it was perfect for those ferns. I mean it was about half an acre. I just ferns there. This is pretty cool. So I kept following that because I knew that was just that was where a stream that was you know, apologizing out my dog. But yeah, so I walked on the trail and I came as soon as I came through like where it got thick again. And then it was like a little more open for us, like hard woods and maybe some hemlocks. There's a lot of oaks, a lot of white oaks up there, white and it's actually a lot of poplar trees too. And I found that right beside where this trail comes out of that thick spot, there was this tree that was about, like I said, about the size of it, in between the two leader and a one liter bottle of soda. Man my machete with me, and I'm like, I can see where I sit from here, and I've seen deer coming in and out of here before. So I just took my machete in about shoulder height, knocked the bark off a little

59:36 bit facing where I sit, so I can use that as like, all right, there's a night's white I called him. I used to do tree service with my cousin. He's a licensed arborist, and where you cut a limb off or whatever, we would call it white eyes, white eyes on the tree because it's usually white fresh wood there. So I scunned the bark off about the size of a cigarette pack or a cell phones to the standard today's size. Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1:00:25 Cell phone. Just knocked it a little bit with my machete, just not to dig into the tree, just to peel some of the chop some of the bark off, scrape it off, like and uh, two weeks later I went up did the same loop around again because I would walk that style syndicate like if you will, uh, quite regularly. And actually it's funny because they're at the top of the hill up there, right before you get to the log road, there is this rock that rock out cropping and it comes up and sticks off the side of the hill to a point kind of like, uh, you ever seen the Lion King when when Rasiki takes baby symbol and holds him up for all the animals to see here or whatever. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was kind of like that. Well, me and my son's called it Haller Rock because that's where the howlers go to hall at night. You know. That's that was our little inside thing, you know. And when you're standing at the top of it, you're like in the middle of the trees that are downhill from you know, you're up there, like you if you look down, you're a good like

1:01:58 twenty feet off the ground. But because it's a slope, it becomes higher than everything else to a point. So we called it Hallow Rock. But getting back to that tree. So I walked that syndicate again and I came over because there's a bunch of like intersecting networks of trails, game trails over the deer and it was like some highways man like constantly used like you see where dough and their farms would go, where the bucks would go, all kinds of rugs and stuff here and there. Different bucks would have different scrapes and rubs all in this big area that I walked. So I came out of that firm patch and into that thick spot again. And as soon as I got through and I looked over, that tree was literally if I were to take and stick my arm out at a diagonal upward, I snapped over opposite way of where the wind always blows coming up that up through that little like ravine area, and I was like and it was still like connected and attached.

1:03:26 And I'm like, I just got this sense like like if it was like a sasquatch. It was like, what I didn't do this? How about that? You know, like type of thing like I made it may like marking my tree on my trail? What are you doing? Type thing like I'll show you is what I got it, like I got a sense of immediately when I seen because I'm like, what, what would do this? Nothing? I'm not going to be able to snap something like that. And I'm a pretty active, pretty physically fit guy I got.

1:04:11 I'm not trying to say I'm a he man or a muscle man er, nothing like that, but I mean I get paid to lift things up and put them down and all day long pretty much, you know what I mean. I do construction and I actually do custom woodworking for the past past fifteen years or so or more. But I was it just blew my mind. And it stayed like that for the longest time. And where it was broken at it wasn't wouldn't be like if I were to be able to, like, would be able to snap that tree like that, it was it's higher than my head, So I was like, what the heck? So a little bit uphill from there, There's times where I was hunting in a tree stand and I would hear stuff like movement, heavy movement, but never see anything coming up.

1:05:19 And there it would always stop right before it right where it got thick again, like it'd be a little bit open but still tree like still forest, but it wouldn't be as thick in spots. It'd be big open like open spots with a lot of trees forestry like hardwoods, and then it would get into like brushy type ticket areas and stuff like that. One time, I was just scouting around with my with my scope and I call it movement. So I panned back over to my other eyes, like hand back over to it, and it literally looked like there was a face looking at me now, like took my head away from the scutch and I'm like, the heck, like shook my head a little bit, probably I don't know, rub my eyes or something like that.

1:06:15 Looked back through and I'm like, uh, well, I see a tree stump there. That was my reference before, but I don't see anything now. And then i'd start scanning around again. I call it movement again. I looked over and I kind of thought I saw a face again, that gray like leathery type face but in the in the brush, like just we're like peeking through like a hole in the brush like type of thing. Really really had me feeling weird, and I was like, okay, now, either my eyes were playing tricks on me because I didn't sit out here for a couple hours. Well, I'm actually seeing this. I think I'm actually seeing this because of everything else that has happened leading up to this point so far in my life, you know. And there was there was some other times where I had like some mineral tray salts I'd put by a stream, like on a board, by a root system, and I had seen big indentse in the spongy soil where you couldn't really like if I were to try and plaster cast something, it wouldn't come up as anything because of how spongy everything is. Like I said, a lot of that soil,

1:07:46 it's not really dirt. It's just decompaged tree debris, you know, loose fallen needles or fallen off and stuff like that. But there would be times where stuff would get moved and then I wouldn't be able to find it, and then I'd come back and stuff would be back where it was. There'd be times where I had sat in places on a tree stump hunting, like while I was ground hunting walking around, and then i'd sit and take a rest for a little while, and then when I went back out again or just to go out scouting, there'd be like a rock sitting on that tree stump.

1:08:34 I'm like, what the heck, I wasn't there when I sat there. I didn't put it there. That's going on here. How How big a rock would it be? I would say, like the size of like the rocks you would build a house with, Like yeah, yeah, like like some something somebody would put in their stone stone wall or or chimney or something like that, and it would be like it would still have like some masco on the one side of it or something, so it wasn't like it was completely cleaned off. But then there was other times where I would go out there and there'd be like, uh, stuff drug across areas where like it was trying to off the over the trails, like something was trying to funnel stuff, funnel these trails into one bottleneck type thing. And I was like, well, that's pretty odd too, Like nothing but a human or a sasquatch is going to do something like that. And there's nobody hunts up here besides me. And I had a neighbor his son in law would hunt, but he wasn't.

1:09:52 He wouldn't like a traditional hunter. He went straight to his stand where his little ground blind pop up blind ground blind that he had near his stand area, But he didn't go out like normal times, Like I'd already be out there hunting for hours, and then here he would be, like eight thirty nine o'clock. Here he's bebopping through the woods louder than a bear, like stomping through the woods, break stepping on every stick he could find. It seemed like, I'm like, wall dude, what are you doing just coming out here and mess up my hunting? Why'd you even come out here, dude? But uh, Yeah, there'd be times where because he would be wearing a lot of orange instead of just like a traditional hat or something like that. But he would always stay close to the Uh. There'd be Route thirty that comes up through there. It's a it's a two lane highway that comes up through the mountain, PA Route thirty and that goes from close to us get It'll go from Gettysburg to Chambersburg and farther uh each direction, like you can go all the way to York with it. You can go which is the opposite way of Gettysburg. For through Gettysburg you can go all the way to heck, what's it called Collinsville or whatever. That's way past past Chambersburg

1:11:27 into the other mountains and stuff. Oh but yeah, I'd see him sometimes he'd be ever twisting and stretching and stuff, and I'm like, out of his ground blind, What the heck is this? This guy much of a hunter? He didn't learn how to hunt like I did. You know that type of thing. You don't want to move when you're hunting, unless you're ground hunting. Then you walk a little bit, even it's your ground hunting, You walk a few paces, like a few feet, like maybe ten twenty feet, and you stop because you can. You can walk right past the deer. If it's bedding down in some thick brush, it'll let you walk past it. But when you stop, the deer will get nervous and be like I'll shoot it sees me, and he'll jump up and run. Like if you just keep walking, even if you're doing a slow pace, you could walk right past the deer and you wouldn't even know it unless you've seen it wiggle its white tail or something like that, or snorted or something.

1:12:33 Is that? Is that a guy you ever talked to? Uh? He I did talk to him a couple of times. He's kind of kind of an odd fellow. He was a bigger fellow too. He did say he didn't mention some things like I guess that. I guess he was kind of scared because I asked. I was like, oh, yeah, I've seen you had to stand here behind this in law's house. He's like, well, I don't really use that one too much. I'll use it every once in a while. I put it out there more for him and my wife. He's like, I go over that way, and he like points out to where, like towards where I used to hunt, but he would always stay close to the road. And I'm like, well, you're not going to have that much activity out by it that way. But he was like, because I was like, what do you have much activity out being that close to the road. He goes, yeah, there's quite a bit of activity. He's like, but he made a comment the one time, He's like, you don't want to go too deep in there, you really don't.

1:13:41 And the way he said it and the way his facial expression was while he was shaking his head and looking at me, I'm like, all right, maybe this guy saw something where maybe he saw a bear, you know, maybe maybe he saw saw something happen out there or whatever that spooked him to where he was staying close to the road so he wouldn't get well. I thought he just didn't want to get lost or something too, you know. But yeah, the way he didn't say that, now that I think about it, and you asked, uh, he did say to take that comment, and the way his facial expressions were, he may have. He may have seen something but just didn't like relay it like that or was trying to say something without saying something.

1:14:28 It sounds like he something something affected him for sure. Have you ever talked to any of the neighbors around your area? Right across the road was a bar and restaurant, and yeah, I would. I was kind of stand offish about talking about it there for a while, but then you know, after a while, you're like hanging around, like I would work over there to cooking and stuff, and then like I'd get off around ten and stuff like that. And you know, there's a couple of people I was cool with, mountain men type fellas and stuff like that. Yeah, they've been there for a couple of hours, so I'm like, oh, maybe I can ask them something here and there, You know, get a real response out of them. But uh, there was a couple of people they kind of just like played it off, like, yeah, whatever, dude, doing nothing out there.

1:15:23 Big for society, will be right back after these messages. I don't know what you're talking about. I've never seen anything. But there was a there was like one or two people that were like, uh, yeah, you always want to let somebody know where you're going, you know, make sure you got like a GPS or something on you or your fan. And that was like all they would say.

1:16:03 They wouldn't they wouldn't like elaborate anymore. Yeah, that was about the most I got out of anybody over there. Now. I used to work in Chambersburg at a warehouse and I would stop at the Rudders gas station that was there at the nine ninety seven light. That was a fairly new one they built. It was bigger than other ones. At one point it actually had one of them automated car washes. I think they got rid of lot. I'm not quite sure. It's been a while since something up there.

1:16:43 I haven't lived up there in my five years, and I ran it. I wasn't getting my coffee one morning and there was a ranger, a couple of rangers in there, and one ranger he was kind of younger or whatever, and you nodded to him like hey, what's up. You know, He's like, hey, how you going, And like, after about like the third time seeing him, I was like, hey, so where do you work? Yeah, and he told me he was like right in between me and Caledonia at that ranger outpost. And I was like, oh, okay. I was like, yeah, I go through okay by there a lot.

1:17:25 I was like, you, guys, what do you do. He's like, well, I usually go up and make sure all the service roads are accessible and you know, there's no fallen trees and stuff like that. Kind of like a lot of maintenance type stuff. We go out and check things out if we get reports of like animals and stuff like that. And I'm like, oh yeah, and he was like yeah. I was like, have you ever had any reports of bigfoot? And he was like sterring his coffee as we're like talking, like you're putting his stirring his cream and sugar in and he kind of just like stopped stirring and like fish eyed me, like looked out at the side of his eye at me, and he was like, I don't know, I don't really answer the phone as much. Uh, And it kind of like just went about stirring his coffee slowly.

1:18:27 I was like, Oh, I'm okay, man. I was just wondering, you never see anything strange up there, and while you're up there in the mountains, He's like, oh, well, what isn't strange? You know what I mean? I was like, oh, okay, So I guess he's like, like you hear a lot of accounts where like rangers will like see or hear things or whatnot, but they don't really comment on it until like years after they retired and stuff. I don't know if it's like some kind of Vallas silence they to take on that stuff or what kind. I think there's an NDA involved, to be honest.

1:19:08 Yeah, yeah, something something which I could sense by the way he reacted like he like he was like, dude, you're gonna have You're gonna make me lie to you like type of reaction like no, I never seen nothing in my life. You know. It's type a little bit of uh that that was a little Q and A I got with him, and then you know, I kind of just like didn't want it to be too awkward. So I'm like, so what all kind of schoolings involved to become to get into this kind of work and stuff? Because I was actually interested in doing it, especially in that area. After all of this, I was like, man, I could I could do this every day, like just go out and scout around and see what I can find, you know, so see what's up. There's a lot of gated access roads up there too that like, uh, there was one right down from my house in between me and Caledonia and the in between me and the ranger uh post, and uh. They would only have it open like certain months out of the year, but it would take you It's called a piny Mountain Creek Road, and yeah, it'd take you all the way out to like Shippensburg Road on this like out out by the out by the lakes and stuff out past the lakes and stuff.

1:20:39 But they would tie into a couple other like there was like a like a gravelly dirt stone road type thing and they would have throughout There was like a certain time a year there was like an annual like duaw uh metorcycle ride that they would do and they would ride up thirty and go up up through that gated road and go through some of the other connecting roads, like a big, big syndicate type ride thing. That was I never got into that. I've rode in motorcycles pretty much all my life, too, more dirt bikes than now I'm older, I've got more street bikes, Harley's and stuff.

1:21:27 But never I always wanted to. I've rode on that road before, but not in that group or whatever. So I used to ride up and there would be a big, big you get up to the top at the one spot where it levels off up the one of the highest points a plateaus, and there's like big industrial high attention power lines coming down through. And I used to love going up there and sitting underneath there and looking up through there and looking down at the bottom of the mountain, down toward down towards Fayetteville, and just take it in. Like like I said, I've always loved nature, Like even if I wasn't hunting man, I'd love to go up in the woods and just watch the ferns wake up in the morning light because they curl up and close up and stuff during the night. And then you go up there and then the sun starts hitting them and they start waking up and just opening up.

1:22:22 It's just something awesome to see. Like that's my thing. I just love nature, always have ever since I had my encounters and experiences. Is something I really really got into. I did have another instance that happened while I was hunting. A couple of times I would go up and I'd be up in my tree stand, and it only happened when I was in my tree stand. Never happened when I was ground hunting. But I'd be up there and uh, it sounded like I thought my kids, because my when I was in my tree stand, my house was down the slope to my in back of me, behind me, and where my tree stand was was only about two hundred yards up into the forest. So sound carries and stuff up in the up and through there. Even with the road with the road's not always real noisy, it's only when it's high voland traffic. And I was a little ways away from the road too, like you could hear it, but not really. It wasn't like loud or death and inconveniencing for hunting or nothing. I stayed farther

1:23:53 from the road than that neighbor guy did, and uh, it sounded like my kids playing down in where the clear the opening was to come into the woods, like where I would put the corner and stuff. And then I would go down after I was done hunting, and it was weird because the forest would get really silent, no squirrels moving, no birds flying, nothing, and it sounded like my kids was down there playing and it would last for about five ten minutes and I'd be like looking seeing if I could see my kids down there, seeing if they were coming up, to see if they wanted to come up in the tree stand or something like looking down. I didn't see no kids, but I heard them. And then after a while you would hear like heavy footsteps bipedal footsteps in the brush, but it was always behind me or off to my side where I couldn't see anything because thicker, and I'm like, I'd go down after hunting and I'd be like, were the kids out at all today? And we're doing now? I let the dog out earlier, but and I let her back in, but that was it. I like the kids think of feed the chickens or nothing like that. Yeah,

1:25:23 they've been in here watching TV and playing the video games, and I'm like, that's weird because there's no other kids around me, and there's definitely no kids in between my trees stand, like there's nothing in between the tree stand in my house besides the forest. And I've heard now that i've been watching these other like podcasts, yours and some other people's podcasts, I've heard of that, like the natives would even say about it, like, uh, you know, if you hear children in the forest, don't go try and find them. That's the that's the hairy man trying to lure you in or whatever. But yeah, that happened about four or five times while I was up in that tree stand, not at the same time, but like different instances. And it would always be like around noon one one thirty, like in between noon and in between eleven thirty and one thirty it would be when it would happen. And this there would be like I said, no, nothing.

1:26:36 Then sometimes afterwards you would hear like a crow, an actual crow, and you could see it flying, and then all of a sudden it would sound like there was like a murderer cruise flying, but it sounded a little off, but it sounded like a murderer crouse. But you didn't see a bunch your crows flying around. You'd see one or two flying around, circling, just gliding stuff, you know, catching the wind drifts and gliding and stuff, resting their wings. And I'm like, what the heck, Like this is kind of freaking now. I guess we could say saved the best for the last. There was a time where I was hunting and my boys built a ground blind and there was like an old rotted tree stump. It looked like somebody actually like cut this tree down but never retrieved it, and it just lay there for a while.

1:27:40 But then other trees had fallen around it, and they kind of like intersected at one point. But uh so it was like half roddy with some moss on it, on the tree and the stump, and then the other trees were more fresh, and they kind of intersected and went out like a like a if. It was like a V with the mouth of the V at the tree stump. So I was with my son and I'm like, hey, here's a little little thing we're gonna do here. We're gonna I'm gonna teach you something. You see this here he's like yeah. I was like, we're gonna turn that into a ground line. It's going to be like a little cubby hole we can hide in and nothing will see us, but we can see everything that comes comes through down through these trails. It was near like an intersection of these highway type trails, a lot of activity, multiple trails, and uh, so we built it. We used it for a while. I used it a lot. Actually preferred there other than my tree stand because it was less, less road noise, and also, uh it was more more deeper in in the forest. It was kind of like in between my tree standing fern patch too. I could see that all that area. And I've had buck walk past me and my buddy while we were squirrel hunting

1:29:12 right on a truck. We were sitting on one of them logs at one point and then we just stopped the sitting smoke and shotting. This buck come walking up the trail sniffing for a doll. He was on the door's trail it seemed, and we were squirrel hunting side and shoot. I raised up like I was going to and he was, are you going to do that? And I'm like no, I was like because karma. Man, if I were to shoot that buck might be the last buck I ever shoot in my life. It was like, I like the way you think, you know, and he was he used to be a hunting guy out in Montana, so he was kind of getting nervous, like, dude, I don't want to see you. I don't want to witness you and do something legal trade now type thing. But U So I was sitting there one time and I'm guessing now one two o'clock, I started hearing heavy footfall from behind me where it's really thick at and it was getting closer. Next thing, you know, I started smelling the smell like a musky type like kind of like a wet dog and skunk cabbage type smell. Oh. I'm

1:30:44 like that's that was the first thing that popped in my mind. I'm like, skunk cabbage. Big for society will be right back after these messages. I don't have that growing around here that I've noticed, but I'm like, well, there might be something back farther in where there's more streams or you know, salgy areas in the in the valleys parts in between the ridges.

1:31:29 So maybe this is the big buck coming up. Because I've seen a big buck the year before and didn't get a shot on that one, but I got one that was coming in behind it. It was a little bit smaller. It was like he was teaching that one what to do. But every time that buck would stop, he would stop behind a big tree. It couldn't get a shot on him. Or I could see his his antlers and his nose when you look around and stuff, and his tail was back. Conscious and his tail. They knew what he was doing. They don't get big by being stupid, you know. I called him the granddaddy, but I'm all right, maybe the granddaddy's killing up on me.

1:32:10 And then I noticed everything was silent. I don't like, oh that's weird, Like I don't need human birds or nothing, okay. And I had this real static feeling, like every hair on my body was standing up. Static like static like you rubbed the balloon and held it over you, but like magnified times ten. It felt like even my toe hairs were standing up. And I heard this big thud, like like two steps stop steps right behind me. Now, mind you, there's this tree stump about the size of a dresser that I'm leaning up against with these tree limbs over top of these lugs that I'm tucked in.

1:33:10 So I got my rifle up in my up in my arm over my shoulder, but pointed down to the ground so it doesn't make any glare or shine or anything, hoping this buck would walk up in front of me or beside me or something. And once I heard that, I'm like, what the heck thinking to myself, and that's when I had the mind speak happen. And I'm telling you, I didn't really notice catch on to what it was. At first. I thought I was just like ADHD and thinking off to myself. But I'm like, then I realized, I'm like, I'm hunting, and this is something walking up to me, Like I wouldn't be doing that because it was like I was asking myself questions and answering them, but in my voice and in another voice, So then it starts getting into what are you doing? But it wasn't my voice asking the question, my voice answering, so the voice I could kind of replicate it, but not completely because it was weird, Like it was kind of like if if somebody had like a like a like

1:34:41 a stiff jaw, but like a uh like a drawing out high and low whiny voice at the same time. Like, ahre it on now? Now I'm like hunting, wanting had on that for or to feed my family. Why, I'm like, that's going on here? So by this time, I'm like kind of freaking out at the same time, and I thought to myself, I'm like, should I be that scared? And then it answered me and it's in that voice, not really shot you. So at that time, I'm putting my hand on my pistol that I got in between like I I I have a crawls straw holster, uh in the for in the front as I usually I shoot a pistol with my left hand, so I have a cross straw holster pistols on my right side, but I had it slung across that way. It was like kind of on my lap. I have my handle on the handle of it in my I'm on the trigger on the on the hammer. It's a revolver and uh, here goes I'm like, uh, it's for protection. I hope

1:36:16 I don't have to protect myself, thinking like I'm not speaking out loud, I'm thinking this, and it went on and asked me a few other questions. It's hard to remember some of it. Sometimes it comes back to me like just spur out of the middle of nowhere, like something will pop in my head like a like a something triggers like a flashback or something. And uh. So it asked me a couple of things, like what I was doing, why was I there? Was I the one cleaning leaving the food? And I asked it if it had a family, and it said, yeah, I'm haunting too, and I was like thinking to myself, I hope you're not haunting me. And it even asked me and said because I thought to myself, I said, were you the one I seen before? And it said no, but he was with them, and I'm like, what the heck? So then I got into like asking it with my mind, why well, why can't I see you? And it replied

1:37:49 that I could if it felt safe enough. And then it asked me why I wanted to see it and what my intention as well, and I said, I just want to know if I'm going crazy, and it said no. And then I said, I have no intention on harming you or your or your family. I'm just here hunting for my family like you do for yours. But I would. And then I asked it if it would be upset if I had, how do I how did I say it if I were to expose it, like meaning like if I were to like report it and like bring people out there or whatever. And it replied, we sensed your intention, but we can't sense others intentions and life.

1:39:00 They're here and if they were ill intentioned, they would not respond or reveal or something like that. And then I'm like, okay, well, I didn't mean to press. I just and I didn't mean to intrude. I just from here, feed my family like you. And all of a sudden, it was like I said something wrong or something at one point right when it stopped, and I heard this like if some big guy, now think of the biggest dude that with the deepest voice, like bigger and stronger than Andre the giant, we're to make make a sound like whoa. But it was so guttural and deep and reverbricating all at the same time, like every cell in my body was vibrating, like it felt like literally like every cell in my body was vibrating like electric and vibration all at the same time, to where I couldn't even move and I and I couldn't move, Like I

1:40:35 wanted to turn around and look through the little peacle behind me where I had a little view hole, but I couldn't move. I couldn't even take my hand off, like I couldn't if I wanted to. I don't even think I could have cocked the hammerback on that pistol. Like I could not move for literally like a minute and a half maybe two minutes, and then it's like my ears started, like I started hearing like a like a humming crickets, humming crickets, uh as all these cells are vibrating, and then it's like that's it was like that was what it cut off. It cut off and went away like that was its way of doing that.

1:41:21 So I after about a minute and a half two minutes, I finally was able to like look around, and I like I was like, what the heck was that real? Did that just happen? Did I have a dream? Did I fall asleep out here and have this as a dream? Like what? What? What was this? What did did this really just happen? So I looked around, couldn't see nothing. I lean back and just kind of like took some deep breaths, tried to control breathing in my heart rate a little bit because it was speeding at this time, and I was breathing pretty heavy. And finally I sat there for about another like five ten minutes, got my bearings, like got my composed myself, and all of a sudden, I was like, you know, I don't think anything's going to come through here now. I think it's time to go home before I pissed somebody off, or do I feel like then feel like I'm overstepped to boundary or something.

1:42:40 So I got up and crawled out of the I crawled out of the little cubby blind thing. I looked around. I even stood up, and I was like looking now, you could see where there was like lee's leaves rustled up as like something came in and left like turned around and went back out, because you could see where like leaves were standing up. This was during like the fall time fall in the fall winter. You could see where the leaves were like disturbed. They were, you know, tuffed up from a disturbance of some sort, going right into that thick spot which was just a little uphill from where that tree got snapped that I knocked that bark off of and I was like, okay, so that was pretty wild. Then that was that?

1:43:47 Do you feel that the when it made the noise at the end, Did you hear that inside your mind or was that out in the Oh? No, that was that was out. That was out right in the open, like whoa yeah, like a roar in a in a whoa all at the same time, Like if a gorilla and a lion and the biggest dude you ever met with the deepest voice made this sound all at the same time, with there was something else with a vibration in there. It was wild. It I literally, like I said, I was paralyzed, Like it felt like every cell in my body was vibrating. It felt like my toenails were vibrating, like like just reverberated vibration, like like like my every cell in my body was a tuning fork vibrating is what it felt like. It was unreal, completely unreal. I'm never never in my life, and I've worked around loud noises then concerts right by the amplifiers, like that's that doesn't even touch what I felt like.

1:45:08 You know, like if you're around heavy music or heavy bass and stuff, you could feel bass in your chest and stuff like that. This was completely on a whole other level from that. That was that times a thousand, where every cell in my body was vibrating, My hairs on my arms and my every hair on my body was standing up vibrating. It felt like too, like my skin was vibrate like. It was wild. Yeah, that was definitely something you can't ever forget something like that. And I don't even think other than having another experience like that, you could even replicate.

1:45:48 It big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. Yeah, it almost sounds like you were involved with almost like an infrasound experience. I mean just effect you can't move and vibration and just very very interesting. Yeah, it was. It was very wild, and I ended up losing my chickens. I thought it was like a family of foxes or coyates taking my chickens, because, like I said, I used to let them free range, and then it got to the point where they would just let theirself back in and go up in their roost box, and so I would working different shifts. I was doing different shifts at the time, so it was harder to I would open up the chicken pen. But others that I live, like my family that I lived with, my girl, my kids, they wouldn't always shut the thing. So then

1:47:19 I was like, well, you know, screw it. They just come and go as they want. Now, you know, they're still getting plenty of eggs and they haven't been harmed or anything. Well, then they started and they didn't really go into the woods. They would go maybe across the little stream into a little bit and rough up some pine needles and scratch around underneath the raspberry bushes and stuff near at the edge. But they didn't really go into the woods. But then it got to the point where they were kind of like disappearing. And then I would find like just like a bunch of feathers like something, grab a hold of a chicken and just like scooped it up by its neck and one little like them.

1:48:01 You ever see them things for like New Year's if you hold the little peg stick and you like spin it and it clicks and makes that noise with the mechanism or whatever. It was like something like grabbed up a chicken, buy its neck and one like that and walked off with it. And they would just be like a a debris field of plumage like a ten foot circle, eight foot circle. I'm like, what the heck? Like, that's a little big extreme for like a kyote or a fox. And usually they they grab them and take off with them, you know what I mean. Not they You might you might find them a bunch of feathers, but not like that wide of a debris field. So then I must have startled one while it was grabbed in my chickens, because it left the chicken there but its neck was broke, but there wasn't no like bitemark because I was inspecting it.

1:49:05 So I'm checking it out. I'm the next broke like the chicken, like the chicken stiff, But where the next broke? You know, got this linking neck going on, So I'm like, what the heck? There ain't even no bite marks or nothing. So I'm looking at it. So I had this bright idea of going over to the clearing area. I was like, well, animals are used to me feeding over by this corn spot. So I went over to that clearing area, and uh, in between that and my fire pit there was like a little thick brushy like spot. So I put up a camp and chair like one of my umbrella chairs and having a milk set up there. And I took that chicken and I cut its cut its neck open and down its breast a little bit so that way it would let blood out, you know. And I hung it up in a tree over in that opening in the woods. So I sat there at dark and nothing really happened. Nothing really happened. I started playing some game calls like distress calls and some coyote calls and stuff like that, and nothing really happened. And I was just

1:50:40 about to give up. Now I was out there for like two hours. I was about to give up. I had this light I made like I had a flashlight that I put a red lens on so it wouldn't cast a beam, but it was It would illuminate an area probably about fifteen foot circle that it illuminated with this hip by this chicken. Then I heard like this heavy heavy footsteps, but off of the distance. Before I heard the heavy footsteps, I heard like some stuff like sound like branches breaking. I'm like, oh right, something's coming, see what's happening here. But it wouldn't come into the light.

1:51:30 It would only stay on the outside of the light, and it would come. It would where the downtree wog was, and there was some brush that I had cleared out of the clearing and piled up there a while back ago. I came through there and came I'm going to say, that's left of where I'm sitting there looking at this chicken, and I'm looking up the hill. And it would go from left to right right outside the edge of the light, and you can see eye shine. Then you can see two eye shines. And it was about shoulder height to me if I was standing, so it was like something was like creep walking, like knees bat like creep walking, trying to like walk back and forth. But then it became two of them. Now the eye shine, I've never seen eye shine like this before. I've seen deer eye shine.

1:52:42 I've seen kyrite eyeshine. I've seen pretty much every animal up there's eyeshine. The only one I haven't seen is probably porcupine, but porcupines aren't that tall. This was like a red amber colored eye shine, and it would just go from the right, left to right, or right to left, right to left, and then when the second one appeared. The second one appeared on the left while the other one was all the way on the right, and then the one would go away, and the other one would come back over this to the left and then stop like halfway, and that one would disappear, and the one on the far left would come back again, and then the other one would come back and appear far right.

1:53:46 So then it was like one was like standing there stationary and ducking away, as the other one was like testing the waters, like seeing what was going to happen. And I just thought to myself, I'm like, like hoping maybe I could get that mind speak thing to happen again or something, which I'm sure they can. They can censor, after all that, they can definitely sense what's going on. So I spoke in my head to myself, I'm like, if you're the ones taking my chickens, might as well just go ahead and take it. If it's you, I won't shoot it, but if you don't show me, I'm gonna shoot. So nothing, now mind speak happened again or nothing like that. But all the crickets and stuff stopped chirping out in the woods, all the insects and frogs, all that stuff got quiet, and the eyes like double blinked and went away, and then I heard heavy footsteps going back up into the mountain. So I'm like, huh,

1:55:18 maybe that was their way of saying, hey, we we've been doing it, but you're holding that gun, so we don't trust you, trust you to hold that word or whatnot. But yeah, I never I never had that mind speak happened again at one time. It was the only time. I mean, it was pretty well. And the weird thing is is that chicken never disappeared. I left that chicken there. Everything hung there forever a month. The flies wouldn't even eat it or nothing. It was weird. I was like, what the heck and I heard weird alcohols. It's like because I used to hoot the owls in I've done that ever since I was little, growing up on the farm.

1:56:06 I used to love doing it, Like we would. I would show it to the boys. We'd have them fly from the mountain into right above our campfire, and like then it would realize it's us hooting, and then it would get quiet and just watch us for a little long. You see it float down across the road over into the other other mountain ridge and stuff like other woodline and stuff. But yeah, that was really weird about that chicken. Nothing touched it. I ended up gotting getting fed up with it, and I after about a month or so and cut it down and dirt in the bonfire because I'm like, well that was a waste, Like you killed the thing. Now you don't even touch it. Nothing else will touch it going on here but that There's a few other little like things, like when I was hooting owls and you know, you could tell there was an owl hooting back, but then like off to an other directions distance, something would try and mimic it but not sound exactly like it. You to tell something was a little off, like a little too deep, a little too fast, out of rhythm. But yeah, that's pretty much what I've had go on and what I've experienced and stuff. And this is really like other than after I got warmed

1:57:39 up to my soon to be wife and stuff, this is and you know, my my parents and maybe like one or two other people. This is the first I really like talked about it. It's actually the first I've ever talked about it in depth and with everything all at once, like because I say some stuff and people kind of oh, yeah, whatever, you must have been drinking or smoking that night or something like that. You know, I'm like, no, for real, like this this stuffs for real? What do I have the game by making this up?

1:58:20 You know what I mean exactly, And thank you for trusting you know, this platform enough to share publishedly what you've experienced over the years. You've had some really interesting things have happened, some very intense things. Yeah. Yeah, I actually planned to go out there. I actually made it as part of our New Years resolution. Like this year, I'm going to get back into going up on that that up into the forest areas and just going out and like doing a little bit of camping and stuff overnight or on the weekend or something, just to see what I can come up with or see because I don't have like new high tech gadgetry or anything like that. I'm a working man. He's got a family that I've been paying for ever since I was had my my oldest boy fifteen years ago. So I got three kids now. So it's not like I can go spend a couple of grand on a camera or some fancy like recorder device or anything like that.

1:59:30 I I try to look for stuff at auctions and yard sales and stuff, but half the time that stuff's broken anyway, or somebody out bids you. Well, Dusty, I would say, you know, definitely, if you do end up going back out, and you know, if things do continue to happen, definitely keep us in in the loop with you know, any future things that happened in your life as well. But thank you for sharing tonight and for coming on the show. I'm sure there'll be some people that will find some things they can relate to that are from the area. Usually that's how it works out, and we'll probably see some interesting offshoots from this one as well.

2:00:24 That'd be great. That'd be great. Maybe somebody had some similar instances or something. I'd love to hear those as well. Like, I don't know, ever since the first time when I that very first time, I've been like, I'm always believed in it to begin with, but once I actually saw something and I was like, like that first sighting that thing, Like, if I were to describe it, what it looked like that very first time. Have you ever seen the movie Land of the Lost with Will Ferrell in it? Yeah, I know what you're gonna say, Yeah.

2:01:05 Dude, it looked like a seven foot chaka Oh man, that's like I I swear like I was like and that image like when I saw it, that immediately snapped into my mind. I was like, what, uh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's weird, but there's definitely like families. They're definitely moving around and like family type things. Just from the senses that I got and from trying to track it down that time and everything, I could definitely say they move in families. They they live in families and migrate. I don't know if they necessarily migrate in that area because it's pretty plentiful even in the winter scenarios. But I've heard about them migrating up and down the Appalachian Trail and follow in the power line cut throughs and stuff like that, and that's both of those are right and that come right through that natural National forests. So if they migrate, they migrate. If they just hang out there, who knows, because there's so many outcroppings and stuff where they could find shelter to get through the winner as well.

2:02:22 So yeah, I'd love to get out there and boots on the ground again. Well, Dusty, I have a feeling that you will soon enough, but I just want to say thank you. For coming on the show and definitely keep us informed with what happens when you are able to get boots on the ground again. Definitely will do. Thank you, thank you for having me, Thanks for listening. I just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you Homan listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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