"I Saw Sasquatch in South-East Oklahoma and It Changed My Life."

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time so far, so let's get
on with the show, all right,

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Big for Society. We've got the
privilege of talking to mister Brian Hewlen today.

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He's a bigfoot investigator from Oklahoma.
How's it going, Brian, It's

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going great. Thank you for having
me on. Absolutely. I'll say you

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know, I mentioned it earlier,
but you're the first guy that actually has

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bigfoot right behind you. Yeah.
That's uh, that's so yeah, that's

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Ted the Big Red. I got
that just kind of a as a goof,

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and I don't know he turned into
a character, so he has his

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own Facebook page and everything. Now, uh, I, you know,

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we're coming up on Halloween. So
what I like to do is I'll get

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on my front porch dressed, you
know, get ted out there, and

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I'll hold a bowl of candy and
I'll move like I'm a robot, just

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kind of mechanical back and forth,
and kids will come up and they think

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they're gonna grab all this candy and
all this go wow, one piece.

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You know, I'm just scared of
the daylights out of them. So it's

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a lot of fun. So it
gives me something to do. It keeps

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me entertained, right, So yeah, there you go, right, and

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you're down in is it Oklahoma City
area? Yeah, I'm just on the

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outside of Oklahoma City, so a
little bit to the west, gotcha,

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gotcha? Cool? Cool, Cool. You've got a pretty cool podcast going

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on on YouTube as well. Do
you mind talking about that for a little

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bit. Yeah. My buddy Shane
Church and I started Cryptoholic Show a couple

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of years ago, and we really
did it just for something to do.

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You know. We wasn't really trying
to do anything super creative or anything.

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It's real casual. There may or
may not be adult beverages being consumed on

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the show at any given time.
We run the show live, you know,

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uh there, so there's no post
production or anything like that. It's

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just whatever happens happens. We've had
some some decent guests on, you know,

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Mile Blackburn was on was one of
our bigger shows, and Cliff from

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the A One show about Bigfoot and
so he was on there. And I

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think we're somewhere in the forties or
something like that. As far as shows,

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we try to do them once every
two weeks, usually on Wednesdays.

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We had to take a little hiatus
when we were under contract for a television

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series, so we missed about pretty
much about eight nine months of shows during

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that period. So, oh wow, what was it that actually got you

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into Bigfoot? Did you actually grow
up in Oklahoma or how was like your

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origin story with Bigfoot back in the
day. So yeah, I mean I

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was born and raised here in Bigfoot
just is always just something cool. But

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I never thought Bigfoot was in Oklahoma, you know, always thought it was

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a Pacific Northwest thing. My daughter
was probably maybe twelve around around that time,

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and she got into watching those shows
on TV and on cable, and

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so I started watching them with her, and she really took a liking to

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it. So she wanted to go
out looking for bigfoot, you know,

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and I really didn't know where to
go. We have Southeast Oklahoma. I

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heard that, you know, there's
a bigfoot festival there and things. And

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I got in contact with an old
friend of mine that I had met years

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prior, and he had posted something
about going out looking for bigfoot, and

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so I was like, hey,
man, like can we tag along?

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And so we tagged along one weekend
with him and some other friends and family

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of mine and had a little weekend. Like I said, it was my

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daughter. So when you have that
father daughter relationship and you got a little

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girl that's interested in something, you
know, I'm going to be interested in

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it, right because that's how we
can kind of have that bond, right.

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I mean, we could have been
looking for leprechauns at that point.

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It wouldn't matter to me. I
just trying to find a way to connect

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with her. And so we met
up with him, and then he was

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on a Facebook group bigfoot group,
and I joined it, and it just

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really never was doing that what I
thought a group should do, like an

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active group. And so I met
about six of us, I believe we

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call it kind of clicked and they've
seen in between Arkansas, Home and Texas,

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and the six of us decided to
break away from that group and create

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our own Bigfoot group, which is
the Southern Bigfoot Alliance. And actually my

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daughter came up with that name.
So that's that's pretty much what got me

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in the game. Unfortunately, she
grew up matured a little bit and didn't

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care anything about Bigfoot or her dad
at that point, and she started living

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her teenage life and you know,
doing all that. But uh, she's

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a freshman in college now, and
so she's kind of circling back in.

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So I'm thinking, hopefully I can
kind of get her to wrap back into

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this thing and you know, get
more involved in it. So that's really

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cool. So when you were getting
into Bigfoot, had you heard of places

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like Area X and but like the
siege event and all that beforehand, or

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did you get into big Foot and
then you're like, oh, man,

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I'm in this area this state that
has this incredible Bigfoot lore to it.

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Yeah, I mean the Siege of
Hono is a big deal and that's roughly

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where we have probably the biggest conference
in Oklahoma is where that is, where

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that takes place, and so I
took her there. You know, when

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she was little, I didn't know
much about Area X at all until I

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did a presentation in kind of south
central Oklahoma and I met an individual named

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mister Bill and that's when I finally
caught wind of what Area X is.

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And at that time I didn't realize
it, but my main research area that

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we investigate is about fifteen miles as
a crow fly south of Area X,

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and I didn't even know anything about
those guys being there. So it was

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kind of ironic that my little out
and about just excursions kind of led me

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to that area without ever knowing those
guys were even there. So it was

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kind of a cool deal. So
so you just you randomly picked this certain

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spot that is pretty close to one
of like the I guess you'd kind of

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say, like Mecca is in a
way of you know, if you're really

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into Bigfoot, you're like you know
about Area X, right, Yeah,

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Yeah, it was. It was
just strange. I spent a lot of

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time in two thousand, I guess
it's seventeen first part of eighteen just driving

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different areas, looking for different things, just scouting, you know, the

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southeast part of Oklahoma. What got
me there? To this area? We

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call it Bison. We talk about
it all the time, you know,

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in our group and on our tucket
asked I went there, and I was

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just kind of toying with the idea
of what a wood knock was, and

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I I made a wood knock and
I don't typically do that, and I

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got a response on the other side
of the river, and I thought,

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Okay, this this might be worth
checking out. So we kind of started

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doing some trips there and had a
lot of experiences and a lot of good

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time. And it's we've been in
now that area now for six years.

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So how much time do you think
you have actually spent in field in that

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area doing on site research. You
kind of broke up on that. I

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think you asked me what kind of
time? How much time I think I

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spent? Well, in twenty eighteen, I documented all all my all my

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trips just just on my Google app, and so went back at the end

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of the year and counted all of
mine. Because it's about a four and

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a half hour drive from me to
that area, and I added up.

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I spent sixty two nights there in
twenty eighteen. Obviously not continuously, but

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in the twelve month span, I
lived there for two months out of that

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twelve months. And this isn't like
a campground where you pull your RV up

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and plug it in and hook your
water lines up. This is this is

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remote. This is out in the
middle of nowhere. I mean I could

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stay there for three or four days
and not ever see a soul, you

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know. So maybe a game warden
would sneak in there on mir ror now

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and then see what I was up
to. But it's sixty two nights of

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remote camping, is what it was. So I know that it's extremely hard

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to get into where area axes.
From what I've heard, is it pretty

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much the same type of thing you
getting into this area like, you're pretty

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much it's hard to drive in type
deal or not. Really, most of

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the road is fairly passable, I
mean even in just passenger vehicles. Now,

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some of the areas that we go
into are a little bit more logger

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roads and old jeep trails things like
that. You don't really necessarily need four

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wheel drive, but you definitely need
a little bit of elevation in your vehicle,

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you know, small truck, jeep, you know, sub something like

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that. We have a guy in
our group and he drove a small,

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a lower car like an Impala or
a Caprice like at Marit Malibu or something

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like that, and he got into
most of the areas that we got into.

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So you know, as long as
you're you know what you're doing,

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and take it slow and be careful, you can get in and out there.

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Area X has kind of a rough
area from one I'm towed as far

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as the not from the main road, but getting up into that cabin area,

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I heard that that road is pretty
rough and washed out. I don't

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know much about that. I think
it's a private road, whereas a lot

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of our stuff is logger roads,
and logging industry is big there in southeast

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of Almas, so they do a
fairly good job of keeping those roads accessible.

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So I don't want to forget about
it. Tell me more about this,

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mister Bill Gay. Mister Bill is
probably you know, I don't ever

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call anybody an expert. You know, Bill might be the closest thing to

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it though for us. Bill's been
around, He's walked the planet, you

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know, a long longer than I
have. You know, he's just a

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very genuine guy. But he's been
doing this way longer than I have.

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And I've learned a lot from this
guy, a lot about their behavior,

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things like that want to look for
and he's he's uh. His voice has

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resonated with me, especially in the
situation where I had my sighting, So

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a lot of things that he had
told me over the last few years when

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I was in that situation, it
all just kind of came to the forefront

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and really helped me out. So
Bill is, Bill's an interesting guy.

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He's a lot of fun. I
think Bill is And I hate to say

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his age because he'll probably shoot me
next time we're in camp. But he's

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I'm forty seven, and I want
to say Bill is somewhere around his early

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seventies. So but super active guy
still gets out there in camps, still

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gets out there and hikes. I
mean, yeah, you would never know.

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You wouldn't know his age if you
met him. I guarantee you that

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so wild. So let's you said, the name of the area is Bison.

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Bison, Okay, basically we came
up with that name. I mean,

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there's no symbolic meaning to it.
So and so you spent about you've

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spent about last year two months in
Bison. Has there been a time when

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you're in there where you've had any
close encounters or maybe visuals or is it

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just mainly your hearing stuff? You
know, lots of audio hows, whoops,

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knocks, things like that. But
on September sixteenth, twenty eighteen,

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is when my buddy Tim Autrey and
I had a face to face encounter.

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It was about four point thirty in
the afternoon. So, wow, can

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you get into what that situation was
like? Yeah, it was kind of

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a what we did through you know, my group, Southern Big The Alliance

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SBA, is we like to hold
these open invites to our members to where

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they can come in and meet with
us. We get to meet with them,

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and I tell people it's almost like
a recruiting trip. So and this

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is how we got like mister Bill
and a good friend of ours name Darren.

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But we have these people come and
we were able to go in the

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woods with them and kind of see
how they look at and you know,

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information things like that, and how
they process it. Making sure they're not

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the kind of people that every broken
branch is a big Foot and every you

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know, glob of dirt on the
ground is a big foot track. You

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know. That's that's what we're looking
for as individuals who don't immediately think Bigfoot.

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And we was there for this open
invite and I think we had maybe

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thirty people show up for it,
and the core group guys there was at

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that time, I think five of
us in the core And how these folks

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come in from everywhere Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma. We'll be back

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from our sponsors. And everyone stayed Friday,

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Saturday, Sunday. Fortunately for Tim
and I we were off work Monday,

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so we were going to stay one
more night, and we put people

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in different areas and places we wanted
them to be, and we're strategic reasons,

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you know. And then on Sunday
everybody said they're goodbyes. And one

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of the things that Bill had kind
of preached to me about was, you

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know, what's their habits? What
do they eat? You know, And

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a lot of people think they eat
deer and things like that. Where I

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disagree a little bit. There is
most of that area's pine trees, it's

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a pine forest, and I was
looking for hardwood areas, mainly areas that

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had you know, that grow nuts
like black walnuts. And specific for reason

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why is because I was hiking one
time and I found this, me and

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a couple of guys down this flat, big flat rock, and I had

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a bunch of crack black walnut shells, and there was a larger rock next

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to it, about maybe the size
of you know, the average guy's head,

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you know, and it looked like
something that is smashing these black walnuts.

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And so we started looking into these
areas and I asked him, I

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said, hey, let's go into
this area. We've never been here.

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It's a little jeep trail that goes
up. Let's see if there's an area

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that we can all set up camp
and do a little expedition there in the

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future. And we drove up to
the dead end and kind of got out

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of the truck and it's just kind
of a lot of weird stuff that happened.

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We got out and we were walking
around just kind of looking, kind

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of determined that maybe we could get
a few vehicles in there, but in

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a few tints, but there really
wasn't an area to like really turn around,

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and logistically it wasn't the greatest,
but a small group could get in

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there and back down the road.
But we had this dough female you know,

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deer, come running almost like right
against us, and she was running

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full speed, and my first instinct
was is something was obviously chasing her,

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and I thought, probably a coyote, maybe a bear. You know,

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we have some small black bear in
southeast Oklahoma. And so we looked and

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of course there's nothing there, but
she was just tail up and just flying

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through there. And all of a
sudden, we started hearing what sounded like

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stuff falling from trees, and we
were trying to, you know, determine

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if it was like just acorns falling, and we were kind of like tossing

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some rocks in the air, and
we were like, man, it sounds

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like it's something bigger than acorns.
It sounds like it's about a rock anchine

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quarter inch in diameter. Now this
is just us, you know, we're

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spitballing this. We're just kind of
doing some test sounds. Well as we're

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standing there and I keep hearing these
over my I guess it would be my

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left and we started to walk that
way because we could hear them falling over.

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It's about twenty yards. And remember
something that Bill taught me about distraction.

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You know, these things like to
distract you. If they can get

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your back turned, then they can
make their escape. You know. That's

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that's their way. They don't want
to just take off running right in front

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of you. They want you to
go away. So as I took a

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step to my left to get away, you know, to go towards the

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sound, I remember what he said, and I just quickly turned back and

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looked to the right. And when
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It was about fourteen sixteen inches of
diameter, and I just saw this

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head pop down like just duck behind
it. And I was like, okay,

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I see something obviously, and so
I just fixate on it. And

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it's about fifty sixty yards out.
And everyone always says, first thing,

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people, I said, why didn't
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it's kind of a little finger valleys. So if I would have took you

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know, ten steps forward, i'd
have went down about twelve fifteen feet.

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I would have lost visual come back
up, you know. So it wasn't

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like I could just run straight at
this thing. And I don't know if

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I would actually run towards it or
not, even though I've said many times

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as I would, But I kind
of kept watching it. And then I

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saw this thing kind of peek up, and it saw me looking at it,

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and it ducked again. Now at
this point, I'm able to see

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its hands holding the stump. Tim, my buddy, is walking around looking

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for rocks that are being thrown.
He's kicking stuff on the ground trying to

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and he's talking to me, and
I'm carrying a full conversation with him while

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I'm locked in on this thing.
And so another thing Bill said was these

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things don't like moving if you're if
you're facing them, you know, you

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need to be using perofetal vision and
give the illusion that you're looking away.

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So I turned my body a quarter
to where it was now on my left

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side, and I'm facing this way
but watching to my left. And when

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I did that, this thing popped
up and just stared at me, and

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it's looking at me, it's looking
at Tim. Tim's walking around, and

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then Tim, I guess, starts
to make a move towards me, and

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so it ducks. I have Tim
come over and we're standing face to face

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at this point, and he goes, what's the matter, And I say,

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I need you to look at something
and just tell me what you see.

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And when I say we're face to
face, we look like we're ready

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to embrace and have a magical moment
in the woods, you know what I

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mean, like two guys, you
know, like we're in each other's face,

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right, And so he's looking at
me, and I said, I

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want you to use your peripheld vision
and look to the right, and he

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goes, okay. And I said, there's a stump out there. It's

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like maybe three or four foot tall. He goes, yeah, I see

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it. I said, okay,
I want you to stare at it and

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then just tell me what you see. And he goes okay. And so

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he's looking at me. We're face
to face, but he's he's looking to

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the right, and I'm watching him
at this point, I'm not even looking

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at the stump. I'm watching him. And all of a sudden, I

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just see Tim's body like his body
shakes, like it trembles. And he

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was like, you know, like, what the hell is that? And

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I I don't know, man,
just just keep watching and he goes it

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moved again. It duck, it
went behind the stump, and I said,

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okay, and so then I look
at it and it pops up one

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more time. It looks at us
and go down. Now this is where

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it's really weird. So it's on
a little bit of a heel and this

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stumps towards the top, and all
of a sudden, I saw this thing

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on the ground, like its chin
was on the ground, and it went

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to the side of the stump and
it was just staring at me. And

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I'm locked in, you know,
like I'm watching this thing. And then

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it moves behind the stump and then
we hear like the leaves rustle a little

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bit, and then we just hear
this thing just walk away. And I

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knew immediately what I just saw,
Like I knew because I saw the face,

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I could see the skin, I
saw the hands. I knew exactly

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what it was. Tim's super excited
and he's like, what was that?

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What do we just see? What
we just see? And I was like,

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man, we're not going to talk
about it, Like we got one

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more night to do our investigation.
We're going to go back to our camp,

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which was about forty five minutes away. Even though it wasn't a great

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distance. It's a windy road,
kind of little treacherous on that part of

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that road, so we gotta go
slow, hug the hill a little bit,

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and I said, we're not going
to talk about it. We go

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up there and we get up to
camp, we make dinner, and he's

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wanting to talk. I'm not wanting
to talk about it. I said,

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I just want you to think process
it. We'll talk about it later.

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So we do our whole nighttime stuff
and we're out hiking, looking at you

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know whatever. We decided to get
a little bit more aggressive that night,

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make some sounds, just kind of
experimenting. No action, nothing else that

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night. Get up the next morning, we make breakfast, break camp.

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Now at this point we have a
four and a half hour drive back towards

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Oklahoma City and Tim wants to talk
about it again, and I'm like,

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I'm like, man, I said, I don't want to talk about this.

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I think we saw raccoon and he
goes, man, it wasn't no

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dang raccoon. He goes, that
thing is huge. And I say,

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well, we'll talk about it Wednesday, because it's Monday morning. At this

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point, I said call me Wednesday
and we'll talk about it. So we

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take the whole four and a half
hour drive and basically it's silence because he's

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processing that, I'm processing it,
and I don't want to talk about it

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because the main reason was I didn't
want to influence him. And so we

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get home, he goes his way. I go to my house Wednesday.

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This dude calls me right up and
he's like, all right, I'm ready

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to talk about this thing. And
I said, okay. I said,

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what did you see? And he
said, I saw bigfoot. He goes,

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what did you see? I said, I saw a bear and he

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goes, you didn't see a bear? And I said yeah, it was

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definitely a raccoon. And he goes, man, why are you doing this?

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He goes, you know what you
saw? And I said all right.

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I said I'll tell you what I
saw. I said, I saw

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bigfoot and he goes, I said, how sure are you? He said,

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I'm one hundred percent? And I
said, all right, let's call

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the guys. So we did a
group chat with the five or six of

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us, say hey, guys,
this is what we saw. You know,

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told the story and I think not
that weekend, which would have been

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two days. But the following weekend
we all were back out there and we

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were doing size comparisons and showing,
you know, the guys what happened.

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So pretty I mean, it was
pretty amazing. It was daytime, like

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I said about four thirty Natural News, so plenty of light, no mistaken

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identity here, So that is incredible. If you had to describe the kind

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of creature that it looked like to
you, are you thinking it looked like

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some kind of ape or something completely
different or how would you describe it?

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Yeah, the best way to describe. Somebody sent me a picture recently and

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I didn't even say anything. I
afforded right to te him. I said,

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I just I just seen the picture, no explanation, no words,

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And he texted me back he goes, that looks really similar to what we

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saw, and it almost was like
an Aboriginal man was not ape at all.

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It was definitely when I looked at
it, I felt like I was

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looking at another guy. Okay,
I didn't feel like I was looking at

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anything crazy. It was just looked
like a regular guy, just for black

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skin, very large hands and very
large head and just a shiny almost like

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a little bit of a sheen to
the skin and then dark fur, not

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like this guy back here. It
wasn't like this bright red or anything like

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that. It was if not black, it was like maybe a dark brown,

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but not red at all. So, but the weird thing about it

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was and then, for the life
of me, it's bugged me every since.

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I never saw shoulders because everyone always
asked me, well, how wide

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was it? I never ever remember
seeing shoulders. And I don't know if

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it's because this thing was maybe turned
a little bit while it was trying to

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hide itself behind that stunt, or
the fact that I was so fixated on

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the face and the hands that I
just totally blocked out the shoulders. But

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that's bugged me since then, because
I was like, I have no idea

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how wide the shoulders were on this
thing. So and you said, this

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area is it's about like forty five
minutes from your where you guys base camp

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at that time. Now we have
multiple camps in this area. I mean

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I could show you pin drops on
this place. I mean there's just there

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might be ten to fifteen different places
I can dependent on you know, maybe

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weather or something like that, or
whatever the case may be. Or depending

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on how many people go. This
was an area that we call I think

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we call it camp nineteen ninety seven
is what we call it. Only reason

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why is because the hunter reported a
big foot siding there in nineteen ninety seven,

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so we call it that. So
it was actually my first time camping

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there. So normally where I was, I would drive just a few minutes

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to a normal camp that we call
homestead, but I wanted to get up

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into nineteen ninety seven and spend a
night there. So that's why we end

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up being there. And I already
had all my gears set up there and

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everything, so and it's at the
I want to say the top of a

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mountain because it's Oklahoma, so I
won't give anybody the false sense that we

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have these great, big tall mountains. But it's a pretty pretty darn tall

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heel, you know, I'll call
it that. And uh so all my

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stuff was there, so I had
to go back there regardless. So gotcha.

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After that sighting occurred in that area, have you guys made that like

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a normal area of focus to try
to go back there and see if you

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can have other sightings? Or yeah, I mean, I mean we've been

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there I couldn't tell you how many
times since then. You know that was

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that was that was five years ago. I mean we just really passed the

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five or anniversary of it here a
month ago. I mean I was in

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there just a month or two ago. I cruised through there. I may

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end up going there this weekend,
you know, weather permits, I may

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run by there. I don't know, but it's we had a little bit

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of shift of direction because of some
things that happened in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen,

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with some with some really good evidence
as far as cast and footprints,

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so our at tension got shifted a
little bit. But Bison is still home

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for us. It's where it's where
we all like to go. It's probably

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the most ideal location for us,
even though we don't have the footprint you

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know, on the tracks that we
find because it's so rocky and it's just

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hard to find. But between that
and our Squatch Creek area that we go

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to, those are our two main
spots, and they're both in Oklahoma,

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of course, Bison southeast and squatsh
Creek south central Oklahoma. Interesting, you

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mentioned evidence a minute or two ago. What kind of evidence have you been

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able to bring out from that Bison
area. So far, Yeah, Bison.

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As far as evidence goes, it's
going to be all audio and then

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just the visual sighting that we had. There's nothing there that I can just

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hand you other than audio recordings.
No footprints there. We saw back in

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two thousand and I believe it was
seventeen into twenty seventeen. We found some

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small that looked like child footprints,
and that's what we originally thought they were.

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We were canoeing one of the rivers
there and we kind of just got

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out on the bank as we saw
this per symmetry. It had a branch

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that was running horizontal in foot high, and it was the path was beat

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down around it, and we just
thought it was odd, and so we

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got out checked and we found these
really small footprints. They were maybe maybe

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four to five inches long. We'll
be back with more Bigfoot Society after these

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words from our sponsors, and we
followed them for about one hundred yards and

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we were just like, man,
why would somebody let their kid run around

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here barefoot? You know? And
then like just I guess we kind of

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00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.880
just ignored the fact that these things
aren't born big, right, I mean,

410
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:32.200
they start small, and when we
noticed that they were going right through

411
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:34.279
like thorn briers and stuff like that, we were like, Okay, this

412
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:38.279
isn't a kid, you know,
like this is something else. But at

413
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.319
that time we didn't have any cast
of material or anything like that. We

414
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.079
followed as far as we could,
and it got to an area that was

415
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.519
heavily disturbed with hogs and things like
that, so we lost the path.

416
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:56.000
But that and then we found one
what I call kind of a print that

417
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.079
looks like fore fingers in a thumb
and it was by a I call like

418
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:06.160
an ambush arey on a game trail, and I think we have photos of

419
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:07.440
that, but I don't have I
didn't get a cast of it. It

420
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.720
was up on actually it was on
nineteen ninety seven, before we knew it

421
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.400
was nineteen ninety seven. We just
kind of scaled the side of a hill

422
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:19.319
and went up there and found that. But that's probably the most important things

423
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:25.039
that we found at Bison. The
audio that I have is just kind of

424
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.680
creepy, but I mean I can
always send that to you if you wanted

425
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:37.720
to listen to it, so definitely
that that would be really interesting. You

426
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:44.839
mentioned you've heard whoops? What kind
of How would you describe the type of

427
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:51.440
whoops? I've heard different types over
the years doing this. I'm just curious.

428
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.519
Yeah, and I'm not a big
whoop guy, and you probably won't

429
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.640
get me to do a whoop,
you know on the show. Uh,

430
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.680
you know, I think I sound
silly trying to do it, but it's

431
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.400
I would say more of a howl
than a whoop, you know. And

432
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.799
and there, like I said,
there's no way you're gonna get me to

433
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:14.839
try to try to recreate that.
I can send it to you and you

434
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.519
can listen to it and see what
you think for yourself. But uh,

435
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.400
it's just odd, you know.
I got some guys in the group that

436
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.960
will do that. They'll do the
howls, they'll do the whoops, and

437
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.480
they'll do that kind of stuff.
And I'd rather just be off to the

438
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:31.480
side listening for responses on that.
You know. I think I'm a little

439
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.680
bit I don't want to say a
little bit. I feel like I'm pretty

440
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.079
in tune when I'm out there,
just because I spend so much time out

441
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:43.839
there, so I'm able to kind
of listen for certain things and disregard things

442
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.799
that I that I know of you
know, and different types of owls and

443
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.119
different other birds and stuff like that. So I don't I don't like to

444
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.519
get into it where I'm making the
sound. I'd rather be back observing it.

445
00:32:53.640 --> 00:33:04.759
So absolutely, just for my own
curiosity. A lot of times I

446
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:10.599
hear or I take reports from people
to do with the podcast where it almost

447
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:19.319
sounds like it could be gibbon ish. Is anything like that or not even

448
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:24.799
like that at all that you've experienced? You kind of out on me on

449
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:29.480
that I'm not familiar with the given. I don't know what that is.

450
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:37.759
Have I any experience that a given
is a type of like an ape monkey

451
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.799
that you would you would usually see
in the zoo. I would be really

452
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:46.319
curious if you were to look up
gibbon sounds on YouTube and then see what

453
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:52.720
your reaction to those if that's if
you've heard something like that before in that

454
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:59.880
area. Okay, I want my
I want like a note for myself,

455
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:08.159
kind of google that later and see. So absolutely. In Oklahoma, A

456
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:13.519
lot of the reports that I take
over the years doing this podcast is you

457
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:21.039
hear a lot of aggressive bigfoot reports. Why do you think it is that

458
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.239
there are so many aggressive bigfoot encounters
that come out of your state, Do

459
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:32.880
you think that's for a reason.
No, I mean just from what I

460
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:37.280
experienced. You know, I did
get hit in the head one time with

461
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:43.079
a walnut, and I was by
myself. I don't think it was an

462
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.360
aggressive thing. I think it was
more of like, you know, hey,

463
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:50.400
you're too close, you need to
get away. Tim poor Gowan his

464
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.440
first trip, he took a rock
to the back of the neck that kind

465
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:58.480
of whelped him up. But I
also think that if it was if it

466
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.239
was really if the attention was to
really kill us or hurt us severely,

467
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.679
I think both opportunities it could have, right, I think, and I

468
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.199
hate to say this about my own
state, but this goes back to some

469
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.119
of even our local news and things
like that. We live in a pretty

470
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:22.960
severe weather area, and so fear
sells, right, and so everything is

471
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.440
this Doom's day here, the tornadoes, MASSI of the you know, the

472
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.320
snow is going to be this,
you know, and so we're so used

473
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.400
to that. I think that people
kind of are brought up that way,

474
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.280
and so they see something it may
you know, whatever they people say bluff

475
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:42.639
charge and people say rule or things
like that. I think they take that

476
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.199
as a sign of aggression, and
to me, that's not you know,

477
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:51.360
this thing was close enough to Tim
and I that if it had ill intentions,

478
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:53.559
we weren't going to get away.
We were far enough away from the

479
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.679
truck, we were unarmed. We
literally just stepped out and walked down you

480
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.880
know, yards just to you know, check out the area. So if

481
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.519
that was the case, it had
every opportunity to get us, right,

482
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.920
And I think just some people are
naturally going to say that because they're afraid

483
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.400
of what they saw or unsure what
they saw, and so it's a and

484
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.559
I don't want to say they're lying
and say all this thing and trying to

485
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.599
attack us or anything like that.
I don't think that's what it is.

486
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.559
I think it's just misinterpreted, you
know, the intentions that they're misinterpreted.

487
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:29.280
I think these things are more curious
than anything, and so they may put

488
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.280
themselves in a situation that may seem
threatening. You know, if you're in

489
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.880
a cabin or if you're in a
tent or something like that, you may

490
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.880
think these things trying to hurt you. But I think it's more curious,

491
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.800
and if it really wanted to hurt
you. You probably did for even knew

492
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:51.760
it, So gotcha. Have you
ever had an experience like, let's say

493
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:57.840
you are in camp, you're trying
to sleep through the night. Have they

494
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:07.000
ever approached the camp area and had
any interesting interactions happened in the campsite itself.

495
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:15.519
Yeah. So the ninth that Tim
was hit, there was about eight

496
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:16.960
or nine of us set up,
and we had all of our tents kind

497
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:22.199
of spread out, you know,
ten fifteen yards apart, and we had

498
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.599
a grill and one of the guys
there had a dog, a little I

499
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.400
think it was a beagle, and
we all we stayed up pretty late,

500
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.280
or at least most of us did, and we weren't really big footing,

501
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.679
you know, per se. We
were just kind of hanging out and just

502
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.800
enjoining, you know, being together
and you know, just doing dude stuff

503
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.559
and maybe you know, telling stories
and things like that and joking around.

504
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.039
And we started to finally go to
bed. It might have been three am,

505
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:52.599
and I was out completely. I'm
not gonna lie. As soon as

506
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.480
I got in the tent and zipped
it up, I was I was dead

507
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.480
to the world. And we had
an audio recorder going. So what you

508
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:06.079
hear is something coming down the side
towards the tent with the dog in it,

509
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.760
and you hear something walking, and
you hear the dog kind of put

510
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:15.480
a little low growl, you know, and you know, beagles are pretty

511
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.159
loud anyways when they start barking in
vand but this thing just kind of to

512
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.559
the little growl, and then you
hear the grill, the metal the metal

513
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:28.719
grill lift. You hear the lid
open, and then it slams, and

514
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.519
the dog starts going crazy, and
you hear footsteps running away. Well,

515
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:36.719
some of the guys were still,
you know, fairly light sleepers, and

516
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:39.639
they got up pretty quick, and
they came to me, and I think

517
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:43.239
I said something like, you guys
are a bunch of babies or you know,

518
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.079
scaredy cats. I don't remember what
I said, and they, I

519
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.119
think about three of them, four
of them, took off running after it.

520
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.639
And they had seen a little bit
of disturbance in the in the kind

521
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.639
of a rocky road where something looked
like it had ran across the road,

522
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.800
which we can't say that because obviously
we didn't see it run across the road,

523
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.000
but they were pretty sure that that
something had ran across the road.

524
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.079
There and as they turned it to
come back, Tim was at the end

525
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.519
of the line. And what I
was told is that you hear a thud,

526
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:16.039
and you hear Tim go owl,
and he sees a rock fall by

527
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:20.000
his feet and he turns around and
they all kind of like, what was

528
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:21.840
that, and he goes, I
don't know, and he picks this rock

529
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.599
up. He goes, but something
hit me in the back of the head.

530
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.679
And this is, like I said, this is Tim's first trip with

531
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.519
us, Like we had just met
this guy. And he comes back to

532
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:35.000
camp and they all looking at it
with the light and he has this red

533
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.199
welt that's I don't remember, maybe
one or two inches long, right at

534
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:43.360
the base of his neck. So
so that was a pretty cool thing that

535
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:49.840
happened there. And then as far
as another threatening deal, twenty seventeen,

536
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.599
my son and I went deer hunting
there and I kind of used it as

537
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:57.599
I can take my son hunting,
I can also be in my bigfoot area.

538
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.559
It's a win win for me.
He may get a de I may

539
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.119
get a sighting, you know.
So we went there and we camped at

540
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.800
this place that I call Old Well. And when I say old Well,

541
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.639
so you have to think of a
concrete well, kind of like in the

542
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.400
Little Girl in the Ring I think, you know in the movie where she

543
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.400
comes up that well and comes into
your TV and kills everybody, you know,

544
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:28.000
whatever, the little horror movie.
So that's that's the setting. Yeah,

545
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.199
And you know, and I put
my tents right next to this thing.

546
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.840
I don't know what's wrong with me, right, So we set our

547
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.599
tents up next to this. And
so we got there a little late.

548
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:45.000
And so my son, he's a
big guy, he's six' two at

549
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.440
that time, he waited probably two
seventy five. He's got an sks.

550
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.280
He's like, I'm going to go
hunt while you're getting everything set up.

551
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.280
And so I'm getting the tents up, I'm getting the table out, I'm

552
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.400
getting the cook stuff out, and
I'm going to make some I think it's

553
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.440
like some kind of soup or something
that I was making a stew or something.

554
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:07.800
And I had heard something about eighty
eight one hundred yards away. And

555
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.599
the reason why I know that is
because I went back later on and tested

556
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.239
how far I can hear somebody walking, and about one hundred yards I can't

557
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.840
hear them at that location. I
went back, I think it was two

558
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.920
weeks after to test that theory.
So I hear something walking. In my

559
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.880
first reaction, because I don't have
bigfoot on the brain, I'm in hunting

560
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.360
mode, and I said, I
think there's a lot of wild hogs there.

561
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.480
And I said, man, I
think there's a big hog. And

562
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.920
so I radioed my son and asking
for some amo. Where the mo was

563
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.199
with this gun and I get it
loaded, I said it there. Well,

564
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.199
this thing starts beering off towards him
or the direction he was walking,

565
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.719
and so I radioed even. I
said, hey, I said, I

566
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.360
think a hog kind of walked up
towards camp and probably saw me or winded

567
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.559
me or something, and it turned
back towards you. So make sure you're

568
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:00.119
paying attention. And he said okay, and I just let time go by.

569
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:05.119
I'm getting ready, And it might
have been thirty forty five minutes later

570
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.880
and he radios me and he says, uh, he said, Dad.

571
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.400
He goes, uh, I just
had something weird happening. And I said

572
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.679
it was that. He said,
a rock's thrown at me and it landed

573
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:17.079
in front of me, and he
goes, it rolled right up to my

574
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:21.719
foot cause he's sitting on the ground
up against a tree. We don't have

575
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.199
stands there or anything like that.
And I said, well, you need

576
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.480
to, you need to grab your
stuff and come back, and he goes,

577
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.079
I'm not. I'm not doing your
bigfoot deal. He goes, that's

578
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.000
not what this is. He's a
non believer, just so you know.

579
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.280
And and I'm like ty, I'm
like, man, I know what that

580
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:42.679
is like. And you need to
you need to pack it up and come

581
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.000
on back. And he goes.
I said how big was the rock?

582
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:49.880
He said, it's about size softball. And I said, okay, yeah,

583
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.079
you need to you need to head
this way, and he goes,

584
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.800
no, I'm not. I'm not
going down that bigfoot road with you.

585
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:57.719
I'm going to stay here till it's
dark. And I said okay, I

586
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.960
said, but you know, keep
your head on right pay a ten.

587
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.280
A few minutes goes by, and
he finally radios in back and says,

588
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.199
okay, I'm going to head that
way. So I'm still cooking, and

589
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.159
I hear something a few minutes later
running towards me, and I thought it

590
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.079
was him, so I radio ed
em and I said, what are you

591
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.360
running from? And he said that
I'm not running. He goes, I

592
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.000
haven't even got my stuff on my
backpack yet, he said, I'm just

593
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:27.440
standing. And I was like,
okay, well I heard something running and

594
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.760
he said, you wouldn't able to
hear me. He goes, I'm at

595
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.239
least a mile from you. And
at first I was like, man,

596
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.480
this kid did not walk a mile
like I just I just don't think he's

597
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.039
got it in even to go a
mile, you know. And I asked

598
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:39.679
him, I said, well,
how do you know you're a mile away?

599
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.199
And he said, well, I
passed two creeks. Okay, So

600
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.119
at that point I knew that he
was at least three quarters of a mile

601
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.000
to that second creek. And I
said, okay. I said, well

602
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.360
it's getting dark, so make sure
you head straight north. He's like,

603
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.280
I got a compass, you know, And we're talking in an area that's

604
00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:00.000
hundreds of thousands of acres right and
and I said, okay, make sure

605
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.800
you're heading north. I said,
you'll hit the road if you don't hit

606
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.880
me, and he said okay.
So I see him through the tree lines.

607
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.519
I see him coming through the woods
and he's got a splashlight and it's

608
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.079
already getting dark there, you know, inside the woods and he's probably eighty

609
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:21.559
yards off target from where we are. So I step out to the little

610
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:23.239
gravel road and I just kind of
hit the light. He sees me,

611
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:29.199
and he walks down and we're talking
about the rock and he's just like he's

612
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:30.440
not having it. He's like,
I'm not gonna I'm not even going to

613
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.800
go there. And I said,
okay, well, I got food ready,

614
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.559
and so we're sitting in our chairs, and of course I got an

615
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.360
audio recorder going. I have it
sitting right next to me on this little

616
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:46.519
table right between us and across from
us, and I don't know how far

617
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:52.880
out, but it would be to
the north. There is this how and

618
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:58.800
he just looks at me, and
then behind us where he was was a

619
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.880
when I was want to say,
is a male like it just one sounded

620
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.400
female, one sounded male, or
one was younger and one was bigger.

621
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:14.920
We'll be back with more bigfoot society
after these words from our sponsors, okay,

622
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:20.440
but definitely had a deeper tone to
it. So this thing yells behind

623
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:27.400
us and then coyotes just go ballistic. I mean, there's just eerie what

624
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.760
you hear. And he looks at
me and he goes, what was that?

625
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:35.280
And I said, that's exactly what
threw that rock at you. So

626
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.480
he gets up, goes over and
grabs his pistol, sits in his lap.

627
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.840
We keep eating. Now where it
gets really weird and kind of just

628
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.360
goofy on my part and like it
ain't weird enough, right, I take

629
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.920
the audio recorder and I said it
on the roof of my truck, thinking

630
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.840
higher elevation, I'm gonna get better
sound. It's not gonna get all the

631
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.880
sound of me and him talking and
eating and things like that. I don't

632
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:07.440
if I paused it, or if
it be vehicle cause something, but all

633
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:12.159
the recordings stopped after that. It's
just nothing but silence. You don't hear

634
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.239
any birds, you don't hear crickets, you don't hear nothing. Okay,

635
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.440
But during that night he's in his
tent, I'm in my tent. This

636
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:25.760
thing is still behind us, screaming
at us about every forty five minutes to

637
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:31.480
an hour, and it does it
the entire night. Now, seeing that's

638
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.679
my son, and I don't get
too spooped out. But I had the

639
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.679
rifle, I had the pistol,
I had a knife, and I had

640
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.559
an axe all inside my tent like
I'm ready to go, like if this

641
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.880
thing comes up, trying to think
I'm a sack lunch, like it's gonna

642
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.519
get it, you know what I
mean, Like something's gonna get it right.

643
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.079
And it does it all night,
and I'm just staring. I just

644
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.639
remember staring at the top of my
tent, thinking this thing's gonna come and

645
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.960
just grab us, you know what
i mean. Like it's super aggressive,

646
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.719
you know, it sounds super aggressive. And I lay there the entire night.

647
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.320
We get up to go hunting that
morning and he's just like Dad,

648
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.719
He's like, what in the world
was that all night? And I said,

649
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.360
man, I said, I don't
know. I said that thing just

650
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.280
would not quit. So we go
hunt that morning and I tell my group

651
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:21.480
I seen the group chat out,
Hey guys, got some cool audio.

652
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.199
This is what happened. Blah blah
blah. So one of the guys in

653
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.880
Arkansas, Kendall, he messaged me
and said, hey, what do you

654
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.719
think the odds are of this happening
again tonight? And I said, I

655
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.000
don't know. I mean, we're
here, and he goes, well,

656
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:39.159
I'm going to come. So he
drives in camps with us does it again

657
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:45.320
that second night, So I don't
know what it was, what it meant,

658
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.519
I'm not sure really, I mean, but we have it on audio

659
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.760
and Shane, my co host,
he's you know, graphic artists and stuff

660
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.960
like that. He does a lot
of stuff with audio, and he ran

661
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.599
it through some stuff and we're trying
to find like the pitch and I'm gonna

662
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.760
be horrible describing this. But the
only thing that kind of matches it from

663
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.519
what I'm told, and there's a
YouTube video about this, is it's almost

664
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.079
like a well at that level,
and we know we don't have wells in

665
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.880
Oklahoma, even though there's a law
here where you can't hunt wells, which

666
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.519
doesn't make any sense, but it's
that it's on that spectrum of sound.

667
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.960
So I don't know, it's definitely
not definitely not kyotes. And I had

668
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.760
a guy tell me he's like,
oh, that's just a roague wolf that's

669
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:40.280
running through Oklahoma. I don't know
about all that either. So that is

670
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:46.440
that is a wild, wild story. And man, I would love to

671
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.960
hear if possible, I would love
to hear that audio. That's awesome.

672
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:58.639
Oh yeah, yeah, I'll definitely
send the audio to you, so I'll

673
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:06.079
send it to your messengers so you
can look listen to it. I'm gonna

674
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.320
take a little bit excuse me,
I'm gonna take a little bit of a

675
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:16.119
detour. Something I've been asking everyone
is and this is weird. This is

676
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:22.679
it's weird. Have you ever encountered
or heard of someone in your state or

677
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:34.079
anywhere that has seen something that looks
like a hyena? You mean other something

678
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:44.840
other than a dog man? I
guess that could count. Yeah, yeah,

679
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:52.920
dog man's sightings are pretty common here
in Oklahoma. Oh really, m

680
00:49:53.880 --> 00:50:01.119
Yeah, a friend of mine this
it was three months ago, maybe maybe

681
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:06.559
not quite that long, maybe two
months ago. She was traveling Eye forty

682
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:10.800
into Arkansas. And she's not a
bigfoot person or anything like that. She

683
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.960
probably thinks it's kind of silly.
But she called me and said, I

684
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:20.119
saw the weirdest thing on the side
of the road. And she goes and

685
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:23.360
me and another car both saw it. We both hit our brakes. We

686
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.639
both kind of looked at it,
looked at each other. And they're on

687
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:32.239
the interstate like they're cruising this daytime. She said, this thing looked like

688
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:38.840
a bear in the face, but
it had like a dog's body with a

689
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:45.320
tail, and it was solid white, and she said it was what she

690
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:51.360
thought was it was grazy, or
it could have been eating something dead in

691
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.280
the grass, but as they pulled
up to it, it raised up and

692
00:50:54.360 --> 00:51:00.440
just looked at both the cars as
they went by. And so I don't

693
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.960
know if that's some kind of weird
dog man or some kind of who knows

694
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.559
what that is. But I sent
her some pictures of some dog because she

695
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.199
didn't even know what a dog man
was. She kept calling it a bear

696
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.239
dog is what she called. When
she messaged me, she was that's all

697
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.360
some kind of weird bear dog.
And I sent her a picture, a

698
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.000
couple of pictures of what you know
dog man look like, and she was

699
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.199
like, yeah, that's that's kind
of it. But it was white,

700
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:27.840
and I thought, that's that's strange. And I have a friend here that

701
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.119
you know, he's a he's a
dog man guy, and he's documenting a

702
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:35.280
lot of cases and it's got a
really cool interactive map of dog man sidings,

703
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.920
and so I gave the story to
him so he could so he could

704
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:49.039
document that. So that is extremely
interesting. I've never heard of a white

705
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.920
one like that. So I definitely
have that on on my radar. Do

706
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:59.239
you mind talking about you mentioned there
was another area that you guys research called

707
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:07.519
Squatch Create Yep. Squash Creek is
south central Oklahoma. It's probably our greatest

708
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:15.360
collection of evidence from cast to actually
a couple of hair samples. And it

709
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:22.159
started with a young girl that was
hunting mushrooms Morell mushrooms, which are kind

710
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.719
of a big bang here in Oklahoma. And she posted a footprint in this

711
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:30.920
Morell mushroom site and people were kind
of teasing her about it, and she

712
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.280
said, basically, she was looking
for mushrooms and she found a couple of

713
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:42.039
these really huge footprints in this creek. I contacted her, offered her a

714
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.920
little bit of money to take me
to her Morell mushroom site, which is

715
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.760
kind of a big no no if
you're a mushroom hunter. And I had

716
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.920
to reassure her that I do not
like Morell mushrooms. I don't eat them,

717
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:58.679
I don't hunt them. We went
there and there was four footprints and

718
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.760
they able to grab two casts,
and inside one of the footprints in the

719
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:07.639
mud was a hair on both sides, kind of a reddish brown hair,

720
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.400
almost about like my beard. When
it used to be a little bit redder,

721
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:15.320
and the gray kind of is forcing
all the red out. But we

722
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:21.159
extracted both hairs and I still have
one. I'm sending it to Darby Orcut

723
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:25.239
who's doing some stuff at North Carolina
State University. I'm in the process of

724
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.400
trying to meet up with him and
get that hair to him. The other

725
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.440
hair I sent to another person at
another university. I'm not going to mention

726
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:39.199
his name, but he's ghosted me
for the last five years, and looking

727
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:44.920
forward to talking to him in person, hopefully one day. But we have

728
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:52.960
been in Squash Creek several times,
probably have cast tracks on maybe five or

729
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:59.280
six occasions over about a three year
span. We have all these dates documented

730
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:06.840
on our page. Sixteen inch tracks
at least two different individuals, just because

731
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.760
we know the toes are different.
One has a kind of like a spade

732
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:14.599
shape big toe, and the other
one has a round, almost more human

733
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:16.960
like big too. So we know
we have two that are sixteen inches,

734
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:22.239
and then we have another one that's
twenty inches, and we have cast them

735
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.400
separately and together and as a group. Between the five six of us,

736
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:37.559
the core guys, we had close
to fifteen of those spread out between us.

737
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:42.639
Wow, those are those pretty Those
are big tracks. Have you ever

738
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:50.719
heard any vocalizations or anything else in
that area as well? No, No,

739
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:57.840
no vocalizations, no visuals. Shane
kind of calls the place Jumanji just

740
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.480
because some of the weird things that
are going on there. We know there's

741
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.920
an alligator in the lake, which
is kind of weird for Oklahoma, But

742
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.480
there is an alligator in the lake. We saw the tracks. We talked

743
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.559
to a guy that lives there,
he's he's the one who told us there

744
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.320
was an alligator in the lake.
But the craziest thing that we found there

745
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:22.079
but a game camera And we have
a camera sequence of a longhorn, you

746
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:30.679
know cow, and behind it is
a real female African lion that is years

747
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:37.880
back, tail out and she is
stalking this thing. And everyone always thinks

748
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.440
like, well, what was an
African lion doing in Oklahoma? And how

749
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:46.239
is that possible? I don't know
if you watched Tiger King on Netflix,

750
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:51.360
it was a big thing a few
years ago during COVID. But this place

751
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:55.760
is a you know, stone's throw
away from you know, that place where

752
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.920
Joe had all those lions. So
either somebody's line that they couldn't keep up

753
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:07.679
with or maybe escaped or something like
that. But we called the local game

754
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:09.880
ward when we got the photo and
I said, hey, man, I

755
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.519
said, I'm about to send you
a picture or something, and I just

756
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.679
I just want you to look at
it, and I want to I want

757
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:17.440
to send it to you while we're
talking. And he said okay, and

758
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.559
I sent it to him and his
words were, you got to be kidding

759
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.400
me. And I said, no, sir, I said this is real

760
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:27.920
and he goes, you're not pulling
a prank. I said no. I

761
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.800
said, I'm going to send you
a pin location of this camera. And

762
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:34.079
he said okay. He goes,
do it a favor. Do not talk

763
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.760
about this, Do not send this
photo to anybody. We don't want to

764
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.639
panic anyone. And I said okay, and we did. We kept it

765
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:45.800
quiet. Uh. I messaged him
several times over like the next year.

766
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:51.119
He never returned my calls, never
returned my any of my text After that

767
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.679
day, I was curious, like, did you guys do anything? Did

768
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:59.360
you catch this thing? Because this
is a recreational area and like people hunt

769
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:01.920
there, people there, there's people
that live close by, and I was

770
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:06.039
like, it's a really small town. But I felt like, man,

771
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.800
we're not really doing you know,
justice with people that if there's a if

772
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:13.840
there's an African lion running through you
know, these woods, like people need

773
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.199
to know about that, you know, because I camped there and I didn't.

774
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:22.039
I didn't know, you know.
So fast forward another year, so

775
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.559
we're two years away from that photo
and I'm on a Facebook page. It's

776
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:30.079
like a like a police scanner.
You know. They just talk about,

777
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:35.199
you know whatever, crazy methadonian running
down the street naked or something. You

778
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.480
know, you never know what you're
going to see, you know, on

779
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.400
the Facebook page, and I'm reading
this deal and it says, uh,

780
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:46.960
a lion is in the middle of
I thirty five, sitting up watching cars

781
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:52.639
go by. And I'm like,
Okay, I know where that town is.

782
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:58.719
That's not extremely far from where I
got my photo from. And now

783
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:02.119
there's hundreds of peop people that are
witnessing this thing. Like people were calming,

784
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.480
like, yeah, I saw her, she's standing there. She's just

785
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:07.960
sitting there and watching cars go by. It's the middle of the day.

786
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.920
And so we decided at that time, hey, it's been a while.

787
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.079
We've reached out to these people,
they're not responding, let's go ahead and

788
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:20.920
post the photo. So we posted
the photo of the lion. So that's

789
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:27.960
why we call it Jumanji. So
that's yeah, I would definitely call it

790
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:32.199
Jumanji as well. Is that you
guys have like a Facebook page or something

791
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:37.159
at that where people can see that
photo. We do, Yeah, the

792
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:42.079
Southern Bigfoot Alliance. That's a Facebook
page for the group, and then of

793
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.519
course we have a page also for
the Cryptoholic show. And then of course

794
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:49.400
you can find me on Facebook.
They're doing two of us in the world

795
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:57.880
and the other guy don't look like
me, so awesome. Has there ever

796
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:04.480
been anything where you're out in the
world woods and let's say not Bigfoot related,

797
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:08.519
but you just you can't explain what
it was, anything else weird happened

798
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:19.400
to you that's outside? Do you
think the realm of Bigfoot paranormal stuff?

799
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:28.519
I have a near full body apparition
walking next to a lady that I was

800
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.920
dating at the time. I believe
it to be Native American. She's Native

801
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:36.679
American. I didn't see it,
you know, walking with her, but

802
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.719
I took a photo of her because
she was walking kind of far away a

803
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:43.639
little bit farther than I cared to
for her to get away from me in

804
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:47.239
that in this area in Bison,
and it was at an area that we

805
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:52.239
call homestead. There's a it's obviously
there was a house or something there at

806
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.559
one time. There's a root cellar
in the side of the hill. There's

807
00:59:55.599 --> 01:00:00.159
this great big walnut tree that if
you were going to build a house in

808
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:01.239
this area, that would be the
spot, you know, to build it.

809
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:05.519
And I just kind of took a
photo over. I was grilling some

810
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:08.599
steaks that honestly it was it was
a it was a date night and she's

811
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:13.079
a bigfoot lady, and this is
what bigfoot couples, you know, do

812
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.519
you know? And so I was
grilling some steaks and we were just gonna

813
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.760
just kind of hang out in the
middle of there and eat some food.

814
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:22.199
And I took a photo over and
didn't think anything about it. And we

815
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:27.000
came back and we were sitting there
and it's it's dark, and all of

816
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.920
a sudden, I hear we both
hear, uh what sounded like a bird

817
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:36.280
flapping above our heads, and I
thought it hadn't been an owl, and

818
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.639
so I look up and there's nothing
over. So I could just hear this

819
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:44.679
whosh whosh whosh sound over our head, and all of a sudden, she

820
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:49.119
goes, I got the oddest feeling, and she goes, and I don't

821
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:53.760
feel like something, something's not right
here. We'll be back with more Bigfoot

822
01:00:53.840 --> 01:01:02.079
Society after these words from our sponsors. And we were eating misteaks and our

823
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:06.039
baked potatoes are wrapped in full and
they're still in the fire. You know,

824
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.199
we're waiting on them to cook.
And I said, yeah, I

825
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:12.599
said, uh, I don't get
spooped. And I've been here many many

826
01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:15.039
times, I said, but I
really feel like I need to leave.

827
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.199
And she's like, yeah, I
agree. So we got the baked potatoes

828
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:21.880
out of the fire. We kicked
the fire out, watered it down through

829
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.519
everything in the truck, jumped in
the truck and we started driving off.

830
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:30.840
Well, she was singing this chalk
toss song okay, and she's chalked toeing

831
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.079
in and she was singing it because
it's a it's on a recording, and

832
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.159
I kept telling her. I was
like, don't you don't even know what

833
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:38.840
you're singing, Like, you know, you probably shouldn't be singing that.

834
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:42.840
And then keep in mind, I
have not seen the apparition yet at this

835
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.880
point. And so we're driving away
and we get about halfway out. So

836
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:52.880
from Homestead to the highway, it's
about a probably a good thirty minute drive

837
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:58.599
of just gravel road, back road
type stuff, and it's real close to

838
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.800
the Oklahoma text Oklahoma Arkansas line.
And so we get about halfway and and

839
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.639
I automatically just feel better and like
yeah. She goes, if the air

840
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.119
is different, and I said,
yeah, I know, if it feels

841
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:13.880
normal again, and she goes,
yeah, I think so too, And

842
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.400
I said, what do you want
to do. She's like, let's just

843
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.199
let's just leave. Let's just get
out of here. So she starts singing

844
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.079
that song again, and I'm like, hey, man, you got to

845
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:23.559
you gotta stop singing this song.
It's kind of creepy, you know what

846
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:27.559
I mean, because I don't know
what you're working up over there, you

847
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:32.119
know. And so she calls her
niece and who is also chalk tall and

848
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:37.559
speaks chalk tall, and she say, hey, I keep singing this little

849
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:39.360
verse. Can you tell me what
it is? And she says it to

850
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:47.760
her it's something about something about a
center paying for their sins or something.

851
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:51.880
To that effect, and we both
kind of looked at each other and we're

852
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:53.719
like, what in the world are
you singing? Like? You don't need

853
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:57.519
to be singing that out there,
you know. So I don't know if

854
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.360
that related to it or if it
was just coincident. I don't know,

855
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:07.159
but that was one thing that was
probably pretty weird. And then maybe about

856
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:12.440
six months prior to that, I
was in that exact same location. I

857
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.079
was by myself. I was doing
a weekend by myself, and I actually

858
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:20.719
stopped there because I had cell phone
service in that spot, and so I

859
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:22.719
pulled up and I was in the
you know, three quarter ton Dodge truck,

860
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.159
you know, And I stopped,
killed the truck and was on the

861
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.039
phone, and it was late,
it was probably ten ten thirty at night,

862
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:35.719
and I was sitting there talking to
someone and I just felt the whole

863
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:42.760
truck shake, like out of the
bed, just pushed it. And I

864
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:44.360
was on the phone. I was
like, man, that's weird. So

865
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:47.960
I felt like somebody pushed my truck. And she was like, well,

866
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.400
what are you going to do.
I was like, I'm going to get

867
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.920
out and check it out. And
she's like, you're by yourself. You

868
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.239
need to start the truck and drive
away. And I'm like, now,

869
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:58.400
I'll call you back and hung up, and I jumped out and got my

870
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.360
light. Of course, I had
a pistol time and I'm kind of just

871
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.960
checking the area. But I never
saw anything, like there was no no

872
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:09.079
kind of prints on the truck.
There was I didn't see prints around the

873
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:14.559
truck. Obviously there was nobody there, you know, But whatever it was,

874
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.440
it moved the truck enough to where
I could I kind of moved kind

875
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.320
of swayed like that in the cab, and I thought that was that was

876
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:24.280
pretty odd. And this is heavy
force. It's not like you know,

877
01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:28.519
wind came through and caught the truck
or anything. So little things like that,

878
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:32.840
you know, or kind of strange
you know, eye shine, stuff

879
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:38.480
like that, growls, things like
that. That's probably getting more on the

880
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.639
big foot side of it, but
definitely some weird paranormal stuff out there.

881
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:53.079
So that is really interesting and make
me it would definitely make me think,

882
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:58.119
you know, about about going out
there. Just a question for you,

883
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:03.519
as in Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Mature,
have you ever looked into the events of

884
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:11.400
the siege that happened about I think
it was about twenty years ago, right,

885
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:16.079
I believe it was. You know, I talked to a guy that

886
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:20.760
was there. I tried to get
him to come on my show. I

887
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:27.920
have not been successful in that yet. I'm still gonna try to talk him

888
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:32.000
into it. But as far as
I know, the cabin slash house is

889
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:40.440
no longer there. It's been demoed. The Hohleolle Bigfoot conference that they have

890
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:45.239
there is really close to that.
I mean, it's walking distance from where

891
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:49.760
that event took place. So I've
heard mixed things. I've heard. I've

892
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:53.199
heard the story, you know,
like everybody else has heard the story.

893
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.800
Then I've also heard that it's not
exactly how it went. There were some

894
01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:59.880
other things that happened that aren't in
the story, So I don't know,

895
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:02.400
you know, yeah, those kind
of things can be after time. So

896
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:05.920
I would love for him to come
on the show one day and kind of

897
01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:09.960
just tell his side of it.
So hopefully I can. I can make

898
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:15.119
that happen. Absolutely, I mean, it's such a It's one of those

899
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:23.599
stories that I feel like maybe people
around right now a lot of them haven't

900
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.719
heard, but some maybe half and
half. I don't know, but I

901
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.920
would hope there's at least some truth
to that story. I know it's kind

902
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:34.599
of become like a tall tale like
legend of the Bigfoot community, but I

903
01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:43.280
hope there's some truth to it.
Yeah, I mean, given the location

904
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:49.159
in the history, you know,
before that, after that something something happened

905
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:56.119
there. Something happened. I don't
have any question about that exactly what took

906
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.719
place and what went down, And
I don't know, you know, who

907
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:05.239
knows, but the possibility of it
happening in that location I would I would

908
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:13.159
rate it pretty high. So Hm
was there, So there was stuff that

909
01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:20.840
happened in that same area after that
whole thing went down. Yeah, there's

910
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:26.880
there's a lot of signings in that
area. Home Nobby from home Uby to

911
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:32.280
my area in Bison area X.
You're talking, I don't know, maybe

912
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:44.480
twenty minute drive on the highway there. It's it's it's relatively close, very

913
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:48.000
interesting. It's not my my bucket
list to at least make it down to

914
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:54.039
the state from Iowa. And that
conference does sound very cool. I've been

915
01:07:54.039 --> 01:08:00.440
looking into it, so hopefully one
day make it down there. And there's

916
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.159
a few people from Oklahoma that won't
talk to you unless they meet you.

917
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:12.599
In person. So yeah, so
this year, you know, earlier this

918
01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:15.880
month, Shane and I were speakers
at that conference. Is the first time

919
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.560
we ever done that. So we
did a presentation, did a two hour

920
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:25.920
or run was Friday in a two
hour deal on Saturday. Truly asked us

921
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:28.479
to come back next year, So
we'll be speakers next year too, So

922
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:30.119
if you want to try to make
it next year, it would be a

923
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:42.520
be a good time to try to
count. So absolutely, getting near the

924
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:46.960
end of our our chat, one
last question for you. Let's say there's

925
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:54.000
someone who you know, they're into
bigfoot. They want to they want to

926
01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:58.640
come down and look for bigfoot.
Is it a thing where you can just

927
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:02.840
go in and start looking in area
or did they I know, certain parts

928
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:11.319
of the US you got to be
aware of rough terrain, creatures that are

929
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:16.840
poisonous. Is Oklahoma like that?
Yeah, I mean we got a lot

930
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:21.359
of things that gets you, you
know, I mean, you got you

931
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:25.199
don't know where you go. We
got rattlesnakes, we got bears, we

932
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:29.159
got mountain lions. Obviously, we
got an African lion running around in southern

933
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:32.319
Oklahoma. So yeah, there's some
things you really got to watch out for

934
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:36.920
and be careful about. And you
get out southeast the eastern Oklahoma, you're

935
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:42.880
you're talking hundreds of thousands of just
forest, you know. And I think

936
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:45.279
that's the thing people think. A
lot of people think Oklahoma is just a

937
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.960
super flat, super plain area,
you know, and that we all kind

938
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:53.000
of ride horses everywhere we go.
And it's not the truth. You know,

939
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:57.199
we have we have that. You
know, Western Oklahoma's pretty flat,

940
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:00.439
not a lot of trees. But
you you get over the green country on

941
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:03.359
the east side of Oklahoma, and
it's it's a lot of forest, you

942
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:08.560
know, and you can get in
there and get lost pretty quick. But

943
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:13.039
you know, if you're new to
bigfooting and you want to just go somewhere,

944
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.479
you know, go southeast Oklahoma.
You know, there's a little touristy

945
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:20.399
town there called coach of Town.
Everyone goes there, rents cabins. It's

946
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:25.319
like one of the top ten destinations
in America. You know, right now,

947
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.159
go there, you know what I
mean. The whole town is bigfoot

948
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:33.279
theme. You know, there's bigfoot
merchandise you could buy, their stores named

949
01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:36.840
after Bigfoot stuff. And so go
there, rent your cabin. And I'm

950
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:40.600
not you know, I don't have
any property there, so I'm not trying

951
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:42.800
to make any money off this deal. But go there, rent you a

952
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:46.920
cabin, spend the week, spend
a weekend whatever, and drive around,

953
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:50.760
you know, around Broken Bowl Lake
and to the north there and go into

954
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:56.439
the you know, McCurtain County or
my current county reserve and check it out.

955
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:01.119
I wouldn't recommend a beginning or just
to get out their vehicle and start

956
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:05.000
hiking, you know, obviously,
but drive around, you know, nose

957
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:09.000
around, see what you see,
you know. I mean, worst case

958
01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:11.520
thing is you know, you have
a good time, you know, So

959
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.279
that's awesome. Yeah, that's good
advice. I love it. Brian.

960
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:24.680
This has been a really enjoyable chat
with you. I always love chatting with

961
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:29.159
people about Oklahoma and Bigfoot. Such
a good time. Do you mind taking

962
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:32.640
a few minutes letting my listeners know
about how they can keep up to date

963
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:42.640
with yourself and the Southern Bigfoot Alliance. Yeah you cut out on me again.

964
01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:45.720
I still get a connection. But
yeah, Southern Bigfoot Alliance. Go

965
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.680
there, join the group. I
think we're we're not a huge group.

966
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:51.560
I think we're around forty three hundred
people, you know, as far as

967
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:56.319
members. But yeah, check it
out. Shannon and I are pretty active.

968
01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:00.359
We like our big thing is was
any kind of evidence have? We

969
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:02.600
want to share our locations. We
share. We don't keep anything secret.

970
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:06.000
If you join the group and you
want to say, hey, Brian,

971
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:09.600
I want to go to your Bison
area. I want to. I want

972
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:12.840
to go see what you're talking about, I'll send you a pin drop man.

973
01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:15.640
You can go like im. It's
not my place. I'm not trying

974
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:18.439
to keep it private and be all
sneaky about it. If you want to

975
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:23.359
look at our cast, let me
know. You know. Heck, if

976
01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:25.680
I need to, I'll make you
a replicant send it to you. You

977
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:31.760
know, we believe in sharing everything
we have and we want people to look

978
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:35.439
at it. We want people to
give us feedback, even if it's ugly.

979
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:38.760
You know, if you if you
look at something you say, Brian,

980
01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:41.399
you're full of crap. That ain't
real. You can tell me that

981
01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:44.079
you know, You're not going to
hurt my feelings. My mama doesn't believe

982
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.600
me when I tell her about as
Alt, but so if you tell me

983
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.119
that I didn't see big Foot,
it ain't going to affect me. I

984
01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:54.239
want to sleep just fine, you
know, but we want to really stress

985
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:57.279
the alliance part of that, and
that's why we have that in the name.

986
01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:00.800
And you know, like I said, check us out on a cryptoholic.

987
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:08.520
You never know what you're going to
see there. So that is fantastic.

988
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:11.279
Oh, Brian, such a good
chat. Thank you so much for

989
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:15.359
hanging out with me tonight. Man. Yeah, appreciate it, buddy,

990
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:19.720
Thanks for having me here. At
Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide

991
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:26.520
a platform for those that have encountered
Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe

992
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:30.800
and respected environment. But we need
to hear your story. If you've experienced

993
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:38.199
something that you just can't explain,
please send me an email at Bigfoot Society

994
01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:42.439
at gmail dot com. Then we
can start the conversation. And I know

995
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.880
a lot of you have not shared
your encounter at all. It's been twenty

996
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:53.119
years and it's time that you get
this off your chest and then you can

997
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:57.520
get some well deserved for rest because
I know you haven't been sleeping. I

998
01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:00.399
understand what you're going through and I
appreciate ate every one of you listening