"I Threw Down My Camera and Started Running After It."

0:02 And so I look up and I see something black in front of me, and I'm thinking it's a pig. I've got a lot of wild hogs in that bottom. Of course, they ain't going through my mind as it's a hog, because it's black and it's flow to the ground. I take a few more steps and this thing went from ground level to a linebacker position, and I was just like, what the heck, because hogs don't stand on the islands, or hogs don't grow like that. Lady skinish and run off. And then I looked at it again and it stood up and it turned around so smoothly from facing me to putting this back towards me, just like it was so fluid. And at that point, I don't know I was going to john Land, because I just flew the camera down, pull my pocket knife and went running after it. Do You're listening to the Bigness Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Viron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode.

1:07 Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode other than friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Big for Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Big for Society, I've taken far too much every time so far, So let's get on with the show, all right, Big for Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Mark tonight. He's a hunter in fisherman from Eastern Texas.

1:48 How's it going tonight, Mark, It's going good. How about you? It's going great. We are already talking a little bit before this, and I'm excited to talk to you about what you've been experienced out in the Eastern Texas. I've ever done for a living. It's hunting face and I've been spent lots of times on the water and lots of times in the woods, and never thought my life would encounter anything where it's being Were you able to share the area of Eastern Texas that these encounters take place in. Well, have the most famous lake in the world, which is Lake Fork. There's a big bottom that goes from Lake Fork to Telwakene there's just a big bottom there, uninhabited and everything else. And that's where my recent encounters have happened. Gotcha. And if you were looking at this on a map, lake Fork would be east of Dallas, it looks. But how far back does this happen? This last thing encounter was probably we'll see. We're in November, so i'd say probably, Jane, because I was just putting out for my deer to see them eating on the protein and kind of I give them names and stuff like that as they're growing up. Go. Mark.

3:08 What I'm going to do is I'm going to just let you do what you do best, and just do you mind sharing your story of what happened. I'd love for people to know more about it, because I'm always optimistic and this world has so many questions that are unanswered, and I don't want to ever feel like I'm making anything up or anything like that, because I just happened out of occurrence and their straints. And just back up just a little bit. I carried up marine biolog this one time, and I was telling him my story and he said, Mark, he said, you'd be shocked at what we pulled out of the ocean. Sometimes and I said, well, I can't imagine what's in those woods. Backing up to my encounter, I'm putting out my game camps in the summer because I know these deer in velvet and I want to watch and see how many bucks I've got coming through my property. And so I'm just lolly jagging around through the woods the middle of the day about eleven o'clock, because my goal was to put my camera out and go eat lunch, and because I normally start my morning's about five o'clock, whether I'm working or not. And I'm walking across the pond dam and look up and I said, deer coming at me. And I'm thinking that's weird. And it went to my ride about sixty yards. I walked a few more steps, and then here come another one, and I thought,

4:38 man, it's forty yards. I said, that's pretty weird. Y'all should be going the other direction. My deer semi tame. I say that they see me a lot, so they're not just terrified of me, but to run at me. That's a little bit interesting. As I'm walking across my pond dam and I've got my cellular camera in my hand. Now I don't I like carrying my pone in the woods, because if you're out here putting up the tree ladders or deer stands and ladder stands, I don't want to lose my phone in the woods because I'd never find it. So I just don't given carrot and I'm in my side, of my side, but I do have my cellular camera that sends pictures back to my cellphone in my hand. I'm going across to put it up across the pond. I look up after this deer come at me, and I had cut a limb off of a cedar tree that was about face high when you're on a side by side, and I turned this core on my trail that slapped me in the face. So I'd cut it off and I just flew it down on the ground out there in this little opening. This little opening is about side of two pickup trucks. And as I walked across the pond down, I looked up, as you would in the woods. You're going to be looking for a movement at any time, and so I look up and I see something black in front of me, and I'm thinking it's a pig. I've got a lot of wild hogs in that bottom. The first thing goes through my mind is it's a hog because it's black and it's blow to the ground.

6:04 I take a few more steps and this thing went from ground level to a linebacker position, and I was just like, what the heck? Because hogs don't stand on their high ledge or hogs don't grow like that lead you to skimmish and run off. And then I looked at it again and it stood up and it turned around so smoothly from facing me to putting this back towards me, just like it was so fluid. And at that point, I don't know I was going to John Lane, because I just flew the camera down, pulled my pocket knife and went running after it. And at this time I'm thirty yards when I take off running, it's thirty yards from me.

6:49 It's sts in those woods, and I just it disappeared. I couldn't believe how fast it got away from my dish. Now my woods ain't completely but I could I should have been able to see this thing for at least to her yards before it crossed my fence road, and I never seen it again. At that point, I went back to my cabin pulled out a pen and some paper, and I drew a sketch of what I had just seen because it was fresh on my mind, and I s flustered. I was flustered pretty good because I was just like mad, I'm not supposed to be seen in this here. I went back got a tape measure after I drew the picture up all a piece of paper, and I knew where it walked beside this tree. I went over to that tree and I measured to where I've seen it. Not the last visual I seen is it walked by this tree? Was the knot that I cut a limb off was even with its right ear. Now, I didn't see no ears. It was too hairy to see any years but about where I would assume the ear would have been on its right side. And I thought when I first seen it, get up, to be honest with you, I thought it was five maybe six meet talk and I'm right, I'm about five ten, five eleven.

8:09 When I got to the tree and measured, it lost a little socket. It measured at six six at the right ear hole, so they would have put the top of the head about I'd see close to seven somewhere in that range, and I started looking around and I found three sets of tracks where it went in, and you can see the depression in the ground and you can see where it smashed the pine needles down. Keep seeing the toes, but you can see the outline of the foot, but no toes because it's just it's good hard ground. What's funny is one of the tracks sunk in and I stood right beside that track, and I couldn't sink the dirt in. Evidently it was I'm too fifty, and then it's heavier than me.

8:52 It didn't look heavier than me, but it was because of that one step, because I couldn't make it go down. A few days goes by and I'm out again and I'm going up that little trail on the side by side, and I had to see a black flash. This is hard from where I seen it go into that tree and it goes across the trail. It was so fast it was like if you blink your eyes, somebody's still football across the just that's how I passed. It went across the trail, and I've never seen it go through the woods or nothing again. And I was just at that point, I was just like god wave. Now I've seen it twice and I said, this is I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get a picture of it somehow. So I had ten game cans out.

9:37 I thinking, if you walk through my property, I'm going to catch you on one of them somewhere somehow. And I was kept waiting to get pictured. About four days later, I'm going through there to check my cameras and I see it on my neighbor's property, just on my back fence, and I was able to pull my phone up and snap a picture. And it's a pretty interesting picture. And it looks just like what I've seen walk away from me four days prior, or three or four days prior. And that's the last that I've seen it. Now. What's interesting is opening morning the deer season on rifles season. I was listening and I've heard these things supposedly whistle. I'm not sure if that's any truth of that or not, but I heard three whistles that morning in the woods and they were several hundred yards apart, and it's just the one. It's all okay, if you were you had a buddy deer hunting, you go, I'm over here, I'm over here and it's just a several whistle. I heard those three whistles in a triangle area and they come together and when they you could tell when they got closer. They whistle till they got closer. And it could have been people for that matter, I don't know. But then I heard the dog gall You remember though Budwiser commercial bas he goes ah or something like that.

11:05 Yeah, no way, it's what it sounds like. It's like, and I was like, look, and then the next thing I know, I heard it make two more noise noises. Weird sound. I can't even try to do. Couldn't tell you what sounds like. It's just it wasn't a whoop or whatever. But it went back down in this bottom toward the lake. All this is happening pretty much in that one little corner of my property. I've got pretty heavy cameras in there, but I'm still waiting on the next encounter. But I want back up one thing in twenty twenty, where I had my game cameras out. I was checking cameras one day and I went through the pictures and I seen two pigs in the middle of the day and they're running and I'm thinking, I'm always looking to see what my deer are running from. Are my hogs you're running from? Where it's a cow ode or hog dogs or whatever. And I go the next frame, the next picture, and I see this thing coming up. I got a little creek that runs through my place, and I see this thing coming up out of the creek. It's sixty feet in front of my camera. Might even be a little further, but it's pretty good ways. And I showed it to Jeff Meldram. Most people in the big foot world know Jeff Mildram.

12:30 He thought it was pretty interesting, and I showed him some of the tracks I found. He thought it was pretty interesting. But it looks like a gorilla, that's all I can tell you. It looks just like a gorilla. And it's on its knees, and it's coming up out of that creek, and it's got a big old gray nose, and it's got nostrils. You can put you from me. It's crazy. I all shoots you all the pictures I got because that right there. So like some people go, that's a I ain't never seen pigs run from a bird. And I can't make out a bird of it. I look at a gorilla more than anything. Everybody has assumed it in said it's a gorilla. And at one point in the picture, let's just say you put your your thumb or your fingers in your pocket, like your right pocket, and how your or if you just put your finger your hand on your waist, how your little pinky kind of pops out like I can do it right now. I'm just putting my pressure on my right pocket of my leg, and my pinky just sticks straight out. I'm not even trying to it just sticks out. In this picture of what looks to be a gorilla, you can see a finger. You can see a gray finger. It's the only thing that can be. You can follow the arm all the way down and there's a thing. There's a finger sticking out there. I don't it the thanky, but you can see the finger. To say I have something, I've got a neighbor across the street. I sell him the pictures. He's got a little bit more racers than I do. He was intrigued by him. And we're gonna keep rying out and see what happens next. Doctor Meldrum has seen the photo. Your

14:03 neighbor has it doesn't sound like this has been on the internet at all. No, Yeah, that'd be very interesting to see that. So going back to when you had seen the creature, would you be able to talk through what you drew of the creature, what details you might remember. Yeah, I can see you. I took a picture of my little drawing, which if any of the listeners right now have ever watched The Adams Family, it like Cousin It you remember Cousin. It is much furball, that's what it was, but as black. It's so basically when I drew it on the paper, I drew it about the size of my thumb and it just made the hair outlines. But you could definitely see and I still remember this right now on my mind, just like I'm looking at it. I can tell I remember the back of the head being a little bit taller than the front, like a slide slope, but definitely bigger in the back than it was in the front, if that makes any sense. It's not like it's got a chronicle hand or whatever the people slay or whatever. It didn't look like that. It looked like it definitely was taller at the back and a little shorter above the fore. End. I do, I do know what you mean. Yeah, So it's interesting. I've never heard anyone else use the analogy of cousin it, which I totally know what you're talking about. Is there a certain may be too young? Oh, they definitely would be it.

15:35 I just know because I used to watch Nick at Knight as a lot, being a lot younger back in the day. But anyways, what were the specific things you noticed about it that made you call it cousin it, that made you jump right to that analogy? It was it's pretty hairy. It's pretty hairy. I hear a lot of people say we've seen one, and it was like I had the main her hair was missing. And I can see that because the picture of what I call the gorilla, there's a spot right between its eyes on the top of its head that a big chunk of hair is missing. How many times do you walk through the woods with a ball cap on and the limb knocked your head off, her hat off?

16:18 This gorilla picture had a spot right there on top of its head that you would think was catching limbs and jerking all the hair out. It's a big old ball spot pretty obviously. But the shine, now here's something that I sing two different times on it. One time I sing across the fence after it was chasing the pigs. My girlfriend and I were traveling around the back and I seen something on the other side of the fence low to the ground, and I just don't remember that stuff being there, and they sing a note it took off. It was low the ground. I swing that was a pig. But I remember seeing what looked to me like a silver street down its back. What it was that day across what I've seen it turn and walk away from me two months ago, three months ago in June, it looked like right between the shoulder blades, it had about sixteen or eighteen inches of either white hair or silver hair between the shoulder blades. I'll never forget it because it's stook out big time. But now I also thought, could that be a glimmer? And then I thought no, because what I've seen across that pence a year or so ago it had the same thing.

17:32 So I think I'm dealing with the same whatever not of you the carn I can tell you that you said it's not a glimmer. Can you define what you mean by that? It's like if sunlight hits a horse's hair, give that glare, shiny side, shining like it's used it or whatever it make it shine. Totally got it. And if one of the pictures I took where it's going the other side before it took off running, you can see that same shimmer. You can see it. And it's one hundred yards away from me. I say it's a hundred gard away. Maybe it's seventy yards away around, but I got a pretty good picture of it. You can zoom it in and see that that shine off the hair, So the hair sends to be long and black. I don't see any color difference.

18:17 It looks like black as they face. It's black. We don't have bears in these Texas. You go north here toward Oklahoma and maybe see a few stragglers coming down where I'm at. I don't know if the bear has ever been seen in our county. Ever, it's a bear. Look, this thing was so fast. A bear couldn't go that fast. It had been driven behind a truck. It's not possible. It's not possible. The steps work very far apart going into that tree line because it had just turned around and it didn't have to take the three steps, and it was in the woods, you see what I'm saying, So those steps were not like he was trying to get away at that point. And I never could find any in the woods because of the undergrowth and forage and stuff like that in there.

19:07 But the ones going in were you see the depression of them in the outline of them and stuff like that. How long would you say? The tracks were ten to twelve maybe, okay, and I probably leaned more. I probably lean more to the twelves. It's just hard to guess to make when you're looking at it on the ground. But I were a ten and a half and it was never a bit as long as my foot. But I'm that's in a boot, So if you measure the boot was probably twelve inches about so cousin it. Yeah, we're just gonna sorry. That's all they I can describe it. I see it, go for it, I go for it. It sounds like you got a look at the face of the creature. Was the whole face covered with hair then? Or I never got. All I gotta say is the back of the head. Okay, okay, gotcha never did get But you could tell when it went as it turned around, you could tell that it was big at the back, and it was just I don't know my dad made slope like that. I don't know. It was just a gradual decline, And I mean that's all.

20:15 I never got to see the things. I want to see the face, but never got to see the face. I just got to see the side in the head, and I couldn't even see an ear because if it had an ear, it was either really small or it's covered completely by hair. So when you see the pictures I seen it, it's pretty wooly. I can't imagine how it is in this Texas eat exactly. When it's moving away from you, did you notice anything about the arms or the legs at all? No, because see the bush was at the tree limb that I had cut was it stands about four feet tall. It was most of that was behind it. So when it turned and went away, I'm looking from its torso up and it's like it's arms were right up against its side. So when it went in, it was almost one uniform shape, so to speak, not like it was slinging its arms left and right. It was just like you just turned around real slow and just walked it didn't act like it was scared. When it was walking the night before, I think I'll run, and it was walking. But when I ran, that's one either side.

21:21 Hey, I better get her whatever. I can't believe it'd be scared of me. But when I started running it it was gone. It was so fat. I still blowed away by how fast it actually got into those woods. And I never seen it again. That's impossible because you said that you had, you were chasing after it with You said a pocket knife? For what type of knife? I got? Yeah? So when I finished, I carry a small pocket knife. But when I'm in the woods, I carry a big pocket knife. I say a big pocketknife. It's a five entry and it's razor sharp. I keep it served at all times. But it's the only thing I had. I just didn't know what else do if I would have it. Now, I carry my nine with me now all the time. I don't go in those woods within even if I'm bow hunting, I got with me, especially after what I've seen. I'm just like, man, I'm back there bow hunting. What am I gonna do?

22:15 Pokemon an era? So I want to have protection, and I don't know that I would shoot one. This depends. I don't know that I would shot. I'm not gonna shoot anything. I don't know what it is, period. But if it turns and counters me, then I had to make a decisions, whether me or him, and that might bring a decision on the play. But I don't want to shoot one. I just want to get a good digual one. With the things that's happened to me in my life in the last ten years, from hunting, experience and stuff. Now I'm really buy more than anything. Now. My family has Indian heritage, so that if you don't know this, every Indian tribe actually has a name for it. Every tide has a name for it. Even Estimos have a name for it. So I was I wasn't too much into it, didn't care whether they existed or not. I've been in the woods all my life, didn't care. But now that the things have happened to me, I started looking into it more and I'm starting to put pieces together. It's happened to me through the years, thinking I've been around these things a lot more than I thought I had been. Some of the things I've happened in the tracks and stuff like that, ooh man, it's pretty interesting. I ever thought it'd be right here in my backyard, exactly right. No one ever thinks that you talked to your neighbors as well about them seeing creatures on their land as well. It sounds like, now I have one neighbor that

23:48 we communicate on deer, which I'm saying, this deer, you seeing it on your property, blah blah blah. And I asked him, I said, you're further down in that bottom than I am, and you ever have anything weird down there or anything? And just what are you talking about? And I showed him the picture of that and no, he says, but send me that picture. And so I send him the picture. Yeah, he says, I hear some things down there, but I ain't never seen nothing, okay. And I was like, you know, I'm only like five hundred yards from you. Yeah, I'm candy corner of your fence. You're down in the bottom. Not keep an eye out, see there's anything happening down there. He ain't never text back that he's seen anything, but he was like, I need to see that picture, and I show you send that to me. Have you heard any any screams or whoops or anything.

24:41 Yes, okay, gonna paint no mine. I never did. I'd be down there fronting pigs with thermbo at night and here or stuff. Then like, what what is that? I've heard mountlines, ard, bombcasts, boxes Now all make interesting knowledges, but you can take some of these things. You can't put an animal to the sound, so to speak. And I heard some pigs screened for bloody and murder back there. And we've had some pigs show up with ears miss and I assume that was homeocunners. But we've had some pigs that were dead found dead on my property and they had an ear missing, and I thought that was pretty strange, But I don't know. It can be home hunters taking the ear as a trophear or whatever.

25:26 It sounds like you're you've got an eye out on your property now you're always looking for something to show up, which is cool. Ten camers. Yeah, something I also wanted to talk to you about. And this is getting off subject for just for a little bit, but just because that area of Texas is also known for some other things as well, and some just throw it out there. If you've ever seen or heard anyone that had an encounter with like an upbrak canine ever dothing called a dog man. No, now I heard this dog men theory, and I'm not gonna say it don't exist again. I'm gonna be optimistic. I'm even optimistic that most likely a unicorn don't exist. But you're sure, as I say you don't, somebody will find one. So I'm not going I'm always gonna be optimistic because of that. But I never heard anything like that. What's pretty interesting, Jeremiah, because now that I've had this and started looking into it, I hear these so called experts say they follow waterways. You got to think about where I'm at. We had the Sabine to the south, we had to suffer to the north, and then the Trinity too far back by the way to the west. We're kind of in the middle of a lot. And of course you got cat Ole Lake, the Falkless Monster out of Arkansas, the falk Munster, or the legend of Boggy Creek that's listen, that's and seventy

27:00 miles from me, or where Bombie Creek runs into Cattle Light. Oh, there's no doubt about it that you are in the right area where a lot of stuff happens, So it's not the question that it doesn't sound like you have a zoo right next door, where like a gorilla could get loose from right when people said that gorilla. When I show people that picture, that one, they said that somebody bus had got one. Look I got loose zoo, zoo had a Yeah, there's been one gorilla and a zoo lost around here. Ever, so much stories gotcha. The other question I I've been throwing out just for fun, is any stories you've ever heard of people seeing something that resembles like a hyena. You talking about like a che not chep of covers are awesome, but this would this would be that's a good that's a good around here. Okay, Yeah, usually a hyaenas sighting would be totally different than a chup of cobra. But yeah, I guess down there you're there's people that actually read highs and I wouldn't be shocking or some in Texas. Oh yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.

28:15 Yeah, I've seen a video of people that brand them and they got them as pets. We were talking earlier about you've had some interesting things you've seen up in Oklahoma as well. Do you mind sharing about that for a bit. Now, that's really where all this starts. That's where it got interesting through the years. And like I said, who would have ever fall? I could have had this happen in my backyard. And I tell people, you can't unsee what you've seen. You can't do it. And you might make up stories, but you're making up a story on something you never seen. But when you've seen it. And if people that know me, and if you ask him about me, they're going to tell you, Hey, that's the most honest guy you're ever going to meet. My people tell me I'm too honest. My daddy told me not to ever tell a lie.

29:08 You tell a lie, you got to cover it up with another one. So I just tell it like it is and you can take it for what it is, and that's just what it is. So getting to my open almost story, but I want to start from not the exact beginning, but it's part of the beginning. So almost This old man was a friend of my best friend, and he told us to come up and deer hunt with He's gonna come up here, he goes, I stay after every by himself. He bought this acreage. I can't remember how many acreages it is total, but it's kind of bottleneck south of Tulsa. And he had told us when he bought it, he keeps all the cows on this side because on the other side of the creek, it was just he'd lose a cow if that guy over there, So he would never go over there. And he's a lazy old man, so if he's going to hunt, he's sure ain't going back there, putting no effort in it. He didn't hunt the meta. He had told us what he bought that place, that he had found a human skeleton up in these rock formations and had a spine on it.

30:12 And I thought that's pretty cool. I'd like, where's that at? And that went and looked far. He told me I never did find it and anything else. So that kind of comes into play with what may have happened to me or what has happened to me. It may have some instances with that, for that matter, might have been a juvenile one. For that matter. Here's how the story goes. We're hunting, been there hunting. We probably hundred there for five six years. Never nothing weird, just typical deer hunting walk on them as a two week season, So we're there during the week of Thanksgiving and then it's over. It's the week after the week of and a week after, so we go off there. We hunt for three or four five days and go up to another place in Oklahoma and hunt again. We're walking down the fence row before daylight or right at daylight.

30:59 I want to cross this big creek which is about a twenty put him up on the other side. That turns into an old logging road. So there used to be an old bridge at one time there and it's blowed out, but it's were logging roads on there. And I had a deer feeder sitting way back in there, and it took me a pretty good little job to get back there in the dark, and it was I'm not scared at anything that I know of, but it was pretty scary walking in there in the dark because you can't see your hand in front of your face. We're walking down the fence road and all of a sudden, his towels come running over that. It's like not like we were going to feed him, but like a stampede and they're just mo and we're like my best friend. He's a city boy, so he has no idea about cows, nothing whatsoever.

31:45 He looks at me and says, what's wrong with the cows? And I was like, dude, I don't know. I've hunted all over America. I've ran the deer us for years, and I've seen them around mountain lions, bears, wolves, towers. I ain't never seen no cows a like like these. I guess they got the mad cow disease, making a humorous part of it. They ran back cow and you can stillhou with them in the pasture a little bit because it's starting to get it's not daylight. The sun is coming up, so the skylines right, but the lower base is dark still. They make them about a I don't know, fifteen to seventy five yards circle and they came back and they ran into that bombed wire fence at full speed, just like you were hurting buffalo off a cliff or whatever, and they cut theirself. They bent three of the tea posts over with the weight of them hit it at a pretty good speed. We jumped back, what the heck? And my buddy says, man something rolled the cows, and he said, what are you thinking, I said, dude, I don't tell you. I don't know, but I tell you this, whatever scaring them might scare me, I ain't going in the woods till I seek it. I just got a bowl in air. You got a gun, I got a bowl air. I ain't going in there. I didn't even have my pills. He said, I'm going to go get the blind.

33:01 He rolled out and gets the bike, and I wait there for a little bit. I decided I'm better get going because it's a long ways back there to my feet, and it's probably already gone off, and I'm gonna walk up and scared of the deer I'm trying to kill. I start up this logging road. It's one of them cool mornings, not a hot morning, and not a cold morning, but a little hard for a jacket if you're going to be hiking, like I was, three quarters of a mile to get to that stand back there. So I'm going up this logging road. And I'm walking up the logging road, and I stopped to take my jacket off to stick at my backpack. And I understand when I get back there, I carry a backpack and I'm musa stay all day. I ain't going back there for two hours in the morning, two hours even I'm staying all day. So I stick in my jacket into my backpack and I'm out in the middle of that logging road. And that's when I look up and I see a big track right in the middle of that road. And it's obvious what made it. You can count all my toes. I didn't measure it, but I guess it to be fifteen inches and it's about seven to eight inches wide. I see it, and I'm just like an, oh, my lord. And I turned in a little cause I see what direction it went, and it went off the road and it's going towards this rock for Mason over on the hill. Then those tracks were between three and a half and four feet apart in stride, and when it stepped off the road, it sunk like three inches. It sucks, and I was like, oh man. And it was just when it got off that logging road and

34:34 started going toward that hill. You could see how much it was sinking in the ground and how much money is flicked. You run like a horse through a muddy area, it just drops it up. They sink and blud goes everywhere and all that. So I was like, man, So I found the rock and I put it on that track, and I said, I'm gonna bring my best friend back in there and show them that. Now I know what is scared those cows. That's what scared those cows. And in front of me, somehow walk up the logging road about twenty more yards out here, just like a baseball bat, it hits. Look, I didn't know what that was, didn't that didn't care. I just want to get back to my stand. But to be honest with you, after seeing that track, I'm not deer hunting anymore. I'm looking for what made that track, and I want to see it before it sees me. So I'm going back in there and I get my stand. I stay all day. I'm looking. I've seen a few deer, but didn't see a lot that day.

35:30 It didn't seem like they were moving around very good. And it might be because this thing was in the areer. I come out of there, told my best friend, and this day I said, I know what's scared. When we got out of the woods at night, and I know what scared of those cows. He said, what's that? I said, bigfoot? He said, Bigfoot. You Bigfoot, I said, Scott. I said, hew, hey, years we've been up together, he said about thirty. I was like, have you ever heard me say anything about Bigfoot? And he said nope. I said, I'll tell you. I've got a track up there in that longing road here. It's going to freak you out when you see it. You're gonna look at me and go up. And I said, you just wait, I'll show it to you more. I got a rock way up in the road, looking where's it? So I took it back in there and showed him the next day. That's pretty interesting. He said, that's pretty interesting. Still skeptical, didn't want to believe it, but it was like because he thought I might have been playing off. So I'm not a hotter. I'm a christer sometime, but I'm not a holster. So he's that's pretty interesting. So we went on the honey never seen nothing else. Blah blah blah. We try to go back a year or two after and they have a big flood and we can't get to the other side of the creek where we have two boll feters over there, one for him and one for me. If he decides boa, and so we couldn't get back there and fill him up because of the flood.

36:52 So I said, I'll go up for the summertime when the creek is low down and there's no no water and they're very little bit water in it. There's always water in it, but it won't be a bunch. So I come back about ten years later and I come out. I think it's June or July. So I pulled down my fourwheel off and I'm trying to get my fourwheel loaded up the corn and I go down the creek and I'm looking around to see where that I used to get a good red up that embankment at the forty five and catch up logging road and go back and fill my feet er up. It all rushed out when we had a big flood. It just washed the whole embankment out. So I'm walking around in the creek and I hear this. At that point, I had a forty caliber on my side because I knew I was gonna see a snake on that creek somewhere somehow, so I always carry my pistol for seating snakes in the summertime.

37:44 This thing was up on this ledge and ground. I mean, and it sounds like a dog, but it sounded like a bull. At the same time, I know we don't have no cattle on that side of the creek, So whatever this is, I'm thinking, h I've never heard anything like that, But I got a forty cabal. I'm a pretty good shot. Don't mess with me or if fuge whatever. It does it about probably four times, but then about a twenty minute span, and at that time I start walking down the creek to look for another place to get my four wheel or up the creek jail, and I can hear it walking with me up on top of this hee O can't see it. I'm done it. It's twenty foot deep in that creek probably or at least a thing, and I can hear it walking through the bush up there, and I go down this way and then I hear it's follering me, it's tracking me or whatever.

38:38 Now I tht that's pretty interesting that whatever it is is definitely paying attention to me. And at that point I turned and I looked at when I sang seven sets of tracks coming off the side of that creek buff and they were going in an angle instead of just jumping straight off. It was like I did my four wheer. I get a run at it, angle and go up. These were coming down. So I went over there and put my boot beside them, and they were about eleven inches long. But what I thought was weird about those is that the toes were long like my fingers. They weren't like big and wrong. They were really long and skinny. You could see the big toe was more like a thumb. The other ones were right along with skin and they were about three of maybe three and a half of the party didn't have near as big as stride as the one I've seen years by prior. And I was like an old man, there's a different one, because I knew those weren't from the same one I've seen earlier several years before. And I had taken pictures of the ones that I found three or four years before, and I had them on one of my phones, and I had lost I transferred to my pictures from one phone to another, and then sometimes with my game cams, go with my cell cam, and sometimes I just go through there to leave pictures and I either deleted them or they got removed when I switched hoall so I didn't have those first sets of tracks. I had them in an email because I emailed them just a couple

40:08 of tables, so I can look back in my email and find them. But it may be thousands of them to go through. But I definitely got them an emails. I remember emailing them to a few people. I go up there to get a cattle panel. I'm gonna get a cattle panel laying on the side of the creek where I can catch it with my nobbes and go up to catch that logging road. And I was just going to wire this cattle panel into the side of the creek kennel so I can get a run and get tracks in and get on the back there. And because I'm not hauling corn back here on my back, I'm getting on that fore winder. I had a two wheel drive. I'm going up to the barn to get the cattle panel and owners up there at the barn. And then so I said, hey, buddy, I said, you got a digital camera, and he said I do. I said, you got a bigfoot living on this dead gun place. Because I found some more tracks. I said, you remember them I found a couple years ago. He said, yep, I said, well, I found some more today. They're not as big, but they're back there. And he was like a kid in the candy start. I said, get your digital camera and meet me down there at the creek and we'll get some cameras that I want them on a SD card so we can't lose them. I don't want to lose them. And he gets his camera and I'm down there buyer and this cattle panel up.

41:15 He comes down there and says he's looking at me. Said, man, that's pretty good idea. Mark. I would have never thought that. I said, I'm a guy on this type of stuff. I can come up with things. He said, yeah, I would have never thought that. You put that cattle panel down on that soft sand and you just run over it and go back there. We're sitting there talking, he's on the players and all of a sudden he goes again, and I'll tell you this old man's eyes, guy's bigger around, it's soft. He lived in me, he said, Mark, I'm seventy three years old. I ain't never heard nothing like that. I started loud, and I said, it's already done that to me like five times or six times. He said, I don't have a clue. I said, I knew it wasn't none of your cows, because you want a cattle. He's absolutely not. I wouldn't put my cows over. I wou never find them, he said. But I ain't never heard nothing like that. So we're sitting there talking again and we try to get quiet. When we start here, it makes them I don't know, it made a couple of weird little bee noise. It's not like a mouse like like he was popping his lift to be like like that, and I was like, he goes, that's weird. So anyway, Big asked about three or four more times, and then it just got quiet. When we could hear it up there moving around when we was move or whatever we could hear. He gets the pictures, he said, I can't wait to sew them to the game boarding because that's just crazy. So he takes all these pictures and we got them on his camera and I get on back there and fill my feet up. I never seen nothing when I get on top of that hill, and never did or anything like that when I was getting back there to hunt. When we came to hunt during the fall, I was going with that logging road. And when I sold my best friend that

42:45 that track a few years before with a rock, I removed those rocks the rock to the side. When I came back up this time, there was two rocks in the middle of the road, and I'm thinking I didn't put them there. I'll removed them from last time. Those rocks have been there in years and there was only one, but there at this time there was. I'm starting to go back there to hunt, and I checked my finger before we started hunt actually is what it was. And there's a tree laying across the road. I'm thinking, that's weird. I jump the gun here. I gotta go back to the game warding story real quick, but went back up. I well, going back to the tree. He goes his sols a game warden. Two weeks later game board drug and they were bear tracks. But they're not bear tracks. They were too long to be bear tracking. Bear don't have a three and a half flip's dride anyway. And he said they got behind his house. He heard some noises behind the house for a bottle week and they disappeared. That was all before we got to Goldfare and hunt. Before the tree and the rocks, we go back up there, and I'm going across and there this tree. It's uprooted, it's got a rootball on the end of it. It's laying across my trail, the logging road. Speaking around as of football fifteen eighteen pe long. It's not something you're gonna pick up real easy and move. I was able to grab one and just moving around off the road and going in there with my fourhead. I could have probably just jumped over it, but I thought, well, I don't want to do that and take too much time. I'm just go ahad and move it out way. So I got off, moved that way. I go back there and I hunt. About two days later, I'm going back in there, and the two rocks were back in the

44:16 road and the tree was across the road again. I'm thinking, okay, somebody jacking with me. This is crazy, this isn't I still never found where that rootball come from. I looked all up and down the side of the road, and here's a tree that's got a pretty good root ball on it, bigger than a trash can, bigger than I I got a buck, That's what I'm saying. And I can't see any Rord's been uprooted. It was put there in that road. There's nowhere up down that road. I could see where that thing was jerked out at. I moved them again, went in in another day or two, every singing, nothing, every seeing nothing else. Never heard of it. We came back the next year, and about one hundred dollars before my deer stand, a bigger tree was laid across road, and this one was big enough you wouldn't go to move unless he had a tracker, so it could have been a dead follow.

45:04 But I never could find where it fell. It was like a tree top and fell out and then something was just put in there. I never see the root ball was it or anything like that. I could see where it fell out, and so that was basically then. Never see anything else other than that. But I've kept my eyes opening. And of course we don't hunt there no more. The old man's moved on and all that kind of stuff, so we don't hunt there anymore. But he did say his neighbor had brought on a trail cam or a game cam, but I never did get a chance to go see that either. But that's my almost start. It's a wild one, especially that noise that you guys heard. Are you able to share any more specifics about the area that was? I know you mentioned it was like south of Tulsa, right, Yeah, Bristol we hunted is out of Bristol, and between Bristol and there's a national forest there are I forget what they call the Waldmoff management areas. Huh, we were hunting, not there's a Litlock management area probably about five miles from the actually it's probably probably three miles from us. And we were back down in there between Bristol and that wildlife management area, which is I think there's two or three big creeks in there at that time. I don't know what the names of them are, but those creeks they travel all up through there in all but yeah, Bristol or v R STO dous, I don't know how they pronounce it up there. Very interesting. I'm sure there'll be some listeners that hear

46:37 this, and man, they might even know that that same area. It'll be interesting to hear if anyone reaches out they see something in that area. Great. Yeah, once you've seen it, you just can't see that. It's not like imaginary I got imaginary friend over here. It's not like that. I sure changed my attitude a lot. When I'm in the woods, I am old guard, like nobody's business. Going back to your property down in Texas, do you think that there's two different types of bigfoot down there? You mentioned you have the picture of the gorilla, then you have the cousin it. I think the girl of the cousin are the same. But I think the same one. Okay, yeah, because they're they're they're all in a they're all in this corner. It is the thickest corner on my property. It is the thickest cover on my property. So it makes total sense. You're gonna hide. You're gonna hide where it's thickest. And it's in that little area where it can be undertake it. I can see it moving. The guy behind the wildlife bag exit the only bowl hunt and they're just there very seldom. Nobody owns the twelve acre people the twelve acres to the north of me. That's pretty thick. Never seen anybody over there ever, And that's where I think it's if it has a home or where it's hanging out, I think that's where it's hanging because that's the thickest place, and there's something to think about it. And I thought about this after our

48:07 people say they seen them eight nine, ten, twelve feet tall, and twelve would be just that's what the gigantical pittureus. That's what I think some of the is not gonna be. You gotta think about this. If you're gonna do the woods, and the woods are thick, and it's just standing there and all you're gonna feaze two legs, and if the cover's got everything else broken up. If it's fairly tall, so if you're not looking mid rains, you could probably miss it completely because you just seen with the legs or trees. That's in my opinion. If it was very tall, if it was eight nine, ten feet tall or whatever, I would tek you that some of the brush that I'm looking at, the underbrush comes up so far you can see trees so far that middle torso area would just be camouflaged by trees. You wouldn't be looking at it as it's something solid. You just see two legs a little like two trees. It would be the the weirdest thing in the world. I can't imagine how I would even get through there. Yeah, I couldn't imagine you could do it, but hey, I want I want to back that up with something I had watched. Elk that have hoards as light as the hood of my truck runs through a forest and not hit hardly a branch or not take their head plum off. And I'm thinking, how is that possible. I've seen elk with massive racks go through some of the tightest cover. They lean the head back and run and right through there a hundred mile and ire to get away from you. And you would think that that their horse would catch a limb and jerk their head flow back or do a back with right through there. It's amazing what thing

49:37 to do? But I want to give you something else. So people ask me, what do you believe almost had to now? I said, did I care before? I always suckers. I'm always optimistic. The white deer exists, but if you go try to find one, you'll spend a lot of money trying to buy one and probably not ever buy one. And then somebody says you, hey, I got one of my backyard eating cheeres or whatever. So I look at it like that, Why there exists? But how many do you see or it's pretty rare. I think there's more than people think there is. I definitely think there's you know, there's too many people. A million signings a year by whatever it is, or a hard thousand, I don't know. They all can't be hoaxers and liars. You can't be. Have you thought to yourself, what is it that it actually is? It has to be. It's got to be a cross. That's the all thing I can figure. It's got too much intelligence man to be.

50:38 I won't say that one hadn't been killed, because I think some probably were killed in the eighteen nineteen hundreds. If you look into Teddy Roosevelt, I think it was Teddy Rose wrote a book about one killing one and they were running trap line and one of his best friends got killed running tracks by one, and suppose he shot at it or killed it or whatever. I can't remember the name of the book that trout, but I don't even remember what year it was because I'm older than that. But but so it's like this, it's got to be. It's got to have the Neanderthal survival deal. And maybe it's an an apron it. We'll go back to this thing called gigantic e. Pithick. It's something that wasn't supposed to make it through the ice age that did. There's a lot of things guar, gold fin, several species space made it through the ice age. Why couldn't on mapple that has intelligences the place maybe to get warm, stay warm, or figure it out or whatever. Something. It's kind of be a cross of something.

51:38 It just has. When I see what I seen, and it has a human foot track for the most part, other than one has the long fingers, that was real scratching my head. But I will say this, I did find a track online it looked just like what I found in the second time at Bristol, I did find one just like it online. So it's evidently it's something that happens from time to time or just maybe weait step steps or whatever. But man, there's just so much in this world we don't know about. But it had intelligence, because how can you survive and not be detected on a daily basis as is? But here's the other thing, and I said this to some of my friendsation Man, you're to go out and do some night searching. Look, I've seen some of these TV shows and I'm not going I don't want to use the word idiot, but I want to put it in a paraphrase so you understand it the more.

52:37 If you go hunting something bright in the darken night, even if you fight it, you're still a zero. Does that make sense? I don't understand it. These things are seeing in the daytime as much as they're seen at night. Why would you not try to prove the species in a daytime because if you find them at night on the thermal, there's still skepticism that's going to show up. They we're gonna go there can be a human because you ain't got what have you got? In the daytime, it's a little bit more convincing because you get a better picture. So I don't like to use the word idiot, so I want to retract that. But I'm just saying that I'm not going to go looking for something black in the black of the night. I don't care if you call it up or whatever, because I call coyotes up at night, and I call coyotes up in the daytime, and if it's a predator, it's looking for a meal. I don't care what time the dated. I get hungry at eighty quick in the morning I get ugry at me. I won't get up and go fee. Oh absolutely, Mark, it has been a really fun chat with you, and I would love it if you could. If there's other stuff that happens on your property, definitely keep me up to date and send me an email. Man.

53:49 Like I said, I don't want to kill it. I will a good solid picture that right now. I would tell if anyone or whatever. I said, hey, I'll tell you. I know what I seen. I can't take that back. I ain't try to pull a little buller on nobody's eyes or nothing. And I'm just like, hearing these texts, I'm shocked, I really am, because this is not supposed to happen where I'm at. My brother in law he was like, boy, I don't know what you got going on down there, but you got going on something. I want to mention one of that. You hear the term with the orbs and stuff with bigfoot. I had a couple of deals on camera like little orbs and people said, that's dust particles going through the air. Yeah, we've seen something that looked like as we've seen something look like a Christmas ornament, all this kind of stuff. But one morning I'm down there, I'm hunting buying, and I take my brother while he's hunting out of his hunt and buying at another place. I said, you wouldn't believe what I'm looking at. He said, wasn't that. I'm looking up in a tree and it's like there's a spotlight up or that tree. He's really, I said, now, And the sun's not even close to coming up. And I said, it looks just like a little head laugh, a little little light up there. And I watched this thing for eight to thirty minutes, and I don't know if it was a reflection in all seven or what. It's stuff in a tree like thirty five forty feet And then all of a sudden,

55:21 I looked back on where I've looked away and looked back and still there. And I looked back and it's gone, and I've never seen it again. I thought, that is weird, wow, because it was just it looked like a little light up front the top of a tree. And I was like, and he said, the weirdest stuff goes on down there. I know, but that light. I don't believe in the orb stuff, but that was pretty weird. That that was pretty weird. You would have thought somebody was too hunting they had in one of them trees, because it just set up for a little bit and I watched it, and it may have been a reflection of sunlight coming through something or whatever. But that's pretty weird. That's the only thing I've ever seen as a lighter and on cameras and stuff. I don't believe in that orbs stuff, but that was freaky.

56:07 You definitely have some weird stuff going on down there, Mark, for sure. I'm beginning to think so, because like I said, so I get my you know, some of my buddies that come out will hall hunting. Well, sometimes we have here something that the most time we don't. It's just difficult. Oh what And every now I am will you or something? It's a little different, but most times you can same old stuff. But it's like right now, I said, So, the last time I seen it was probably probably in let's see somewhere, probably August was the last time that I said, I've seen the picture of the date on it, So you'll be able to that'll be my last picture, uh as a day not saying it, I said, no more size. I look in the mud all the time. All the time I'm looking around my pond perspective, I am looking. I'm looking at the creek, cattles and stuff. I'm always looking for that little something different. Oh, I know what I'm gonna tell you. So, my grandson, uh, we were where I seen this thing at before I had explained to him or where I seen it or this, but about a month before that, before I seen it, we were walking through there and there was a peak skeleton and a tree about I don't know, five foot tall, and it was in the fork of a tree. Oh really, And my grand says, says, yeah, My grand said, goes look here. I'm like, yeah, why'd you do that? Far? He said, I didn't do that. I said, yeah you did. He said, no, I didn't. I said whatever.

57:32 And I just shook it off like I didn't think nothing of it, didn't think nothing of it. Well, right where I seen that thing, walked to the tree the other side of that little opening that tree was in. That tree is about as big around as a Copenhagen can about about that size of that. Have you to do that smart? Actually, probably about the size of a red bull can be more more accurate. Anyway, The tree is just bit over, pushed over, and the skull is about twenty five feet from where it was in the tree. But I thought that was pretty weird. Yeah, that's very weird because he swears he said I did not put that there, paper Mark. I said, yeah, you did.

58:15 He's no, I did not, And I was like, boy, don't be pulling on my leg like that. And I didn't do it. He said it was there, That's why I told you. And I was like, I didn't do it. And it's just a little from one of the pigs we'd shot when it was shoved in the fork of that limb and it was jammed in there or whatever, and I just I never even judged. I just looked together, Yeah, you're just jerking my chain. But now that makes sense because it's not forty feet from work, walked by that tree. Everything's happening in that corner. Everything's happening in that corner. I would be really aware when you're gone back there, for sure. Mark, I'm telling you, I don't want to get in my boat stand without my pistol. I got my pistol mean all time now, But again, I don't want to shoot it. I just want to self protection. I don't know what I'm doing with something. Will somebody, I will say one more thing. I know you're probably ready to get off here. Somebody said, what about homeless people. I'm like, yeah, that's possibility. You remember when back in the old days mountain men go up to the mountains and you've never seen again. Sure, okay, Indian tribes and I can't remember which ones. I'm trying to think. It might have been either the sewer or the crow if you dishonored the tribe, or we're caught doing something with a squaw or and somebody will probably lavigate on this a little bit more, but they would kick you out of the tribe and tell you to go to the

59:49 mountains and never be seen again. And so I've often wondered if this could be some past episodes of that, because I'm turnish. It's more than one tribe, but it's either the Sioux the crow, I can't remember, but one of them, maybe all of them, I don't remember. I can't remember for cheroch here Commanche. But what whatever, There may be something just in the Native American bill. Somebody may, like I said, chime in on that at one point and see. But I do know that I've heard that years and years ago that if they did something dishonored the tribe, they were kicked out. And sometimes they would give them a squaw and they would send them out and say, don't come back. You're no more part of this tribe. You're done, and they go into the mountains of wilderness and never to be seen again. What if they got up there and started a breeding population is like the ab I can't even pronounce at from Bernigel or Order in Australia or whatever. There's travel people that they keep. In fact, I heard they found one just the other day, another tribe that never even ever been found. But it is very interesting how in certain parts of the world there are still tribes that don't have contact really with the outside. Let's saying we know everything, and again it goes right back to that circle we keep meeting that dead horse. We don't know everything. We're not ever going to know everything. We just got to take each grain and or each piece

1:01:23 of the puzzle and put it together and one day it's gonna come up there. But you know what, with proven let's just say Bigfoot, in its existence at all, there's lots of examples of blood and hair. Just Mildron's got a man. He told me some stories that were just awesome and some of the tracks he's casted and stuff like that. And I got to visit with him at one of the Bigfoot conventions or conferences, and I end up buying one of the casts from Paddy out of California. And I can say, out of a hown that compared to the ones that when I found in Oklahoma, they're not near as big as Patty close. They're good, but party's like eighteen inches. It's a big old track. It's seventeen eighteen inches the one no longer went out of me, but real similar. That's about all I got. I just keep an eye on on it, and Buddy, I'll tell you if I get it, I'll get hold of you.

1:02:22 And I said, we get through here, I want to send you these pictures, and I wanted to know when I send you these pictures, I want you to text me right back and tell me what your thoughts are. You tell me, because I'm always open to if you think that's a it's not a buzzard. I'm not going to go for that because it's too shining there's no feathers. It's not a buzzard. But he said, that does look like a gorilla, or that does look like a Harry homeless person or whatever. I'll take any thinking at least put it into play, you know for sure. Alrighty man, I enjoyed that doing it. Everybody got to hear this, and no, I'm just telling it just like it is, and it is what it is, and you can't say what you're saying.

1:03:07 And maybe there's a reason why I'm supposed to say. Good Lord knows, I know. There you go. Mark, It's been a pleasure chatting with you, and I hope to be chatting with you again in the future. Joo, thank you. You're at Bigfoot Society. Art goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening