I Took Off After It! | Georgia

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1:00 It's going fantastic. I'm you know, I'm thankful for being here. I'm thankful to have you here too. And I was first introduced to you give. Give my friend Miss v shout out, I saw you over. She's awesome. Yeah, she's great, saw you over on her show. So we'll make sure I have a link to that in the show notes for sure. But Tony, if you wouldn't mind, you know, we're going to start out with the probably basic one that you know all all the researchers here is you know, what was it that first got you into the Bigfoot world to begin. With, Well, what got me into the Bigfoot world is different from what got me into Bigfoot period. Ever since I was a child, I was into Bigfoot, lot miss monsters, mysteries and stuff like that. I used to watch in Search of as a kid with my dad and my mom and them. I used to watch it was a Saturday night, not Saturday night, but Saturday morning kids show called Bigfoot and Wild Boy. They used to come on every Saturday morning. It was part of the Sid Marty Cross Super Show. So I was watching it there. One of the one of the first two Bigfoot movies that I ever watched. And like I said, I was a kid, we're talking five, anywhere between five to ten years old.

2:23 I watched Legend of Boggy Creek of course, and the creature from Black Lake, so you know' and I've tried to watch that every time it came on television. So I was always into Bigfoot. I never thought that I would go researching for it or nothing like that, but it was just it was just was something that I've always believed in, you know, from from a child. It never was a mystery to me. I never felt it to be like mysterious or something like that, because, you know, to me, it was just another a that just hasn't been discovered or documented yet, you know, but it was out there, you know, and to me at that age, Bigfoot was as normal as a bear or something, a grizzly bear or something. So but what got me into the bigfoot world happened. This is back in eighty nine.

3:20 I was working in a convenience store and I worked third shift. And back then, you know, you didn't have too many people that would that would be out that time of night. Back then, you know, everything was pretty much shut down except for your police officers and US teenagers that was out and about. But I had it, like I worked third shift in this convenience store, so I would have a couple of friends that would come by and hang out, and you know, we'd be talking about ghosts, bigfoot, locking this monster, UFOs and just anything kind of creepy. It was mainly ghosts, but bigfoot whatever. Now every now and again trickle in and one of my friends knew a guy whose name is Jan Allen he has said since since passed away, and his brother, and he asked if he can bring them up, you know, to the store to because they had a bigfoot research team.

4:18 I was like, well, yeah, that'd be interesting. So you know, they come up there, and you know, we talked, and over time, you know, they would come up every time I was working and just tell us different you know stories and how their research team got you know together, and stuff they were doing. And they asked me to go, and I was like, no, I don't need to do that, I said, I you know, I believe they exist. I'm not trying to prove anything. I ain't gonna prove nothing to me, you know, I don't. I asked a question, why would they not exist? So over time, you know, I would go down to his house and he would show me different videos and tapes and newspaper clippings and stuff and that got me kind of interested in and I said, okay, so if one of my buddies, if he goes, I'll go. It's like it was a deal like that. So they had a trip planned for uh October of that of that year, and I wind up going.

5:26 My other buddy never did go, and I've been doing it ever since. That's that's how I got started. That's what kicked it off. Wow, that I mean, that's well. I mean, was it one of those things where on your first trip, you know, you just got hooked after actually getting out there? Then no, all right, So on my first trip, I think it was the second night I got charged by the mount line. That was interesting. But it was the third day, you know, I said, I've always believed in Bigfoot.

6:06 It was never a thing of mystery to me. I just knew that. I knew that there was a bipedal walking primate in the woods. When I saw my first print, like up close first footprint, that's what really, that's when everything sank in, Like the the belief became a reality to me. You know, the reaction most people have if they see one, That was the reaction I had when I saw the print, and you know ever since then that's you couldn't tell me there's not that's what sunk.

7:00 That's what you know, I will say, grab me into the research field. Was seeing my first print. You know, I agree with you. It's like the way you put that is just it's so great. You know, you trans transfer over from belief to reality. I think that's that's how you said it, right, And it's a perfect way to say it, man, because then it's like, oh, they're out there and I know where they are, so I want to go out again and see if I can get a little bit more evidence that like what's stopping me from going out there again? I know where they are. I mean, it's just right, totally changes the way you view things. It's wild.

7:44 Those were the first steps into you know, researching, like research and researching, not just looking stuff up, not just knowing that I know, but I'm going in these mountains and look, you know type thing. Now you'd mentioned that you'd also been charged by a mountain lion or a cougar as well. Did you actually see it then? No, I didn't see it. I heard it coming and all right, So this was, like I said, this was at night and we were we were going out. We were on this fire road and we were probably a good one hundred and two hundred yards outside of base camp.

8:29 And at the time I didn't have a gun, but there were there were two others. There was a guy that was probably fifty feet in front of me and another guy fifty feet behind me, and they had they had their guns. And then we were walking up fire road, keeping up, keeping the same distance, and I just heard duck and I can hear this thing coming at me like like doing that number, just coming down the hillside. They shot up over its head and it took off running back up the hill and you could hear it. You can, you can hear it growling. That's it's funny because at the time, this is this is crazy. I was afraid of guns. At the time, I had never shot a pistol in my life or any kind of firearm for that matter, and I was afraid of guns.

9:24 But after that, I said, I'll never ever come back up here again without no kind of gun. And that right there got me into firearms. Just that Bigfoot research has kind of really in a sense, changed the trajectory of my life. When I if I you know, thinking back and the things I do now, the things I'm into now, and all of that. It took a turn when I started researching Bigfoot. Interesting, did you find that?

10:05 So? Were there certain skills that you picked up that you wouldn't have had in your life because of your research in the Bigfoot? Then? Yeah, oh yeah. One main skill, Like, I'm not a tracker. I'm not going to I'm not one to be tracking. I'm not a tracker. Like, if I see a track, I can follow it for the most part, but if it gets where it's like you know how you know people will see an overturned leaf and can tell whatever walk there. I'm not that, you know. If I see a track, I can follow the impressions as far as they'll lead me, and I can kind of look around and kind of sense where a direction may be going by, you know, gang trails and stuff like that.

10:49 But the main thing I say I've learned is an awareness in the woods and aware. Just the other day I was I was at and I just noticed just thinking about this this stuff I wasn't never even thought about. If I had not been researching. I go by, you know, at my job, there's a patch of woods and I go by there this particular patch of woods four or five times a day. Well, I noticed in the morning you could barely like we have a fence, and then there's the woods where you can barely see ten to twenty feet back there in the woods in the morning, like when the sun's just coming up. During during the afternoon, I could see you see probably an extra ten feet beyond what you would see in the morning. But in the evening when the sun's like i'd say around four o'clock at this time of year, you can see hundred feet in the woods in that same area. And I was noticing how certain parts of the day you're able to see further and see more in the in the in this particular patch of woods, and it, you know, stuff like that gets me to think and how a certain at a certain part of the day, a sasquatch can come up close and you'd never see it. You never see it, but if if it's at a particular

12:21 part of the day in the same spot, you'd be wide open to you you'd been to see it everything. So it's just stuff like that, an awareness of the woods and awareness of my surroundings that really that's one of the I'd say one of the traits that I've definitely picked up on through Bigfoot research. Georgia has come up on the show a few times. Usually we're talking about northern Georgia. We talked to a lot of people witnesses from Chattahoochee National National Forests, l A. J. Cherry Log and even over in north northwest John's Mountain area.

13:04 There's been a few people from over there, and there's some really interesting things that happened in that northwest area, even as crazy as as the Blue Ridge l J area. I would think, so, you know, for listeners that might be new Georgia's not just peach trees and plantations that you get up in the north and there's some serious, serious bigfoot activity going on. Oh yeah. And actually, and I mean I can give this location away where we researched at was about probably about thirty no, not that far, probably about ten or fifteen miles above Rome, place called Tidings, little town called Tidings, and the mountain, the mountain we were on, was called a Taylor's Ridge, and we researched that area for see I started in eighty nine and they were actually researching that area starting the group I was in. It's called Georgia Bigfoot Research and Investigation, And as far as I know, we were the only group at that time doing any kind of bigfoot research that I know of. They were researching that area in like eighty five, eighty four, eighty six summer around there, and we documented and when I say documented, I'm based on tracks, different size tracks, eight

14:34 different creatures living in that area. That would you know if we went up during the summer a couple of times nothing happened, Absolutely nothing happened. We went up there in the winter a couple of times, nothing happened. All of our activity was spring, like I want to say, like maybe early spring and and about mid fall somewhere around and there April, around April and May and October is when a lot of our activity would happen. So we figured that these creatures wasn't living on Taylor's Ridge, but they were traveling through like in the springtime they would be going to a location and in the fall they would be coming from that location going back to wherever they were living at. We've heard about rumors of a mountain mountain up in that area called Dirt Cellar Mountain.

15:34 Big So society who would be right back after these messages. One of the rumors at that time was you don't want to be caught on dirt Cellar Mountain at night. And now we were I think Dirt Cellar Mountains runs into Alabama. I think because we weren't, we was not able to get up on that particular mountain, and back then we would have to to get on Taylor's Ridge.

16:14 We actually would go to the Forestry Commission and get a key to unlock the gate. You know, they would shut the mountain down to us while we were up there. So we were the only human beings up there on that mountain until they started opening up more to the public. And it was on It was down in the ridge called Jenkin's Gap that I had my first sighting. And as we were down there is me and two others, we were just you know, we had just walked down there. This is two three o'clock in the afternoon. We had just walked down there, just you know, kind of looking for signs and stuff, and I hot a glimpse of something take off. And I'm gonna say it's probably about a good six foot five six foot tall, but it was running and I immediately just took off after it, didn't give it us, didn't give it a second thought, just took off after it. And I'm following it, but it's pacing me like it's not leaving me, and I'm surely not gaining on it. We kept the same distance, and if I had to guess the distance, I'm gonna say it was probably fifty yards ahead of me when I seen it running, and you know, I was watching

17:45 it go through trees and I was just keeping up with it. I couldn't tell you what happened to the other two. The only thing I had with me at that time was a single shot shotgun with bird shot, and I had one round and it we out. I couldn't tell you how long we ran, but we ran, and then I didn't see it no more. And when I didn't see it no more, I stopped. And when I stopped, the other two, whoever was that was with me, they were not there no more. They either went back to camp or just stopped running. And I didn't know they wasn't there. I was by myself down there, and it was definitely quiet. Now, Like I said, this is two three o'clock in the afternoon. There was no birds chirping, There is nothing, no crickets cricket, There is no wind blowing.

18:39 It is definitely quiet. And I just when I when I when I stopped, I just like I said, and I hollered this out loud. I said, listen, I'm not running no more, and I'm not running back to camp. So if you want to follow me, you can, but I'm going to walk back to camp. I'm not running. So there you go, and I back to like back up turn and I walked back to camp, and you can. You can hear them every so every every so often they would they were pacing me, and I say they, I'm figuring there's probably three, because I was probably chasing a gentile, juvenile And I got about a good one hundred yards outside of base camp and they stopped. And you know, I'm thinking, they probably figure this dude lost his mind and we're just going to help him get back to camp and leave him alone. That's what I figured they were thinking. So they didn't do nothing crazy, you know. And every time we were up there and they you know, these things didn't there was nothing threatening about them whatsoever.

19:58 It's it's very intest sting because you did run after it, and that's that's not an you know, normal thing you hear in accounts like this. But what was your oh, what was your motivation behind just taking off after it and seeing if you could catch it? Okay, so that happened. I was, like I said, my first trip was in eighty nine. This was probably ninety two or ninety three. When we would go up there, these things would circle the camp. I mean, it was a normal occurn from the circle of camp and we would go out after them. They would, we would when we would go out, we'd hear them coming. They'd circle the camp. We would go out and were trying to see one, trying to see one up close. Pretty sure, we walked past them. A few times we would go out, they'd stopped whatever they were doing. We didn't see nothing.

20:59 We'd come back to camp, they circle the camp, We go out and this, you know, this thing would go on from time to time. So there was I was never afraid of him. There was never nothing threatening like For example, I've I've never personally heard one in person scream or holler. No. Only audible that I've heard is a grunk here or there. That's it, so they didn't put out, they didn't put any fearful vibe. So and you know, to me, I just I didn't. I never felt threatened by him. So when I saw it take when I saw it running, it was just instinct, just take off after it. I've never I've never had a fear of them. And that was that was that was the the one. Then, I guess five or six years after that, me, my father, my ex father in law, ex wife, and my son at the time, look he was a baby, we went up just camping out, you know, because there there's there's areas up there that you can just camp and it's just you know, we're not doing no research. We just nice are to camp. And we were camping out and we were getting loud, so the

22:33 women wanted to go to bed. So me and my father in law decided we were going to walk down to the creek and just hang out down there. And how this place was, you had like a little trail, creek ran along the trail, and as you got to go down on to the creek, there was a little bend that would you know, you just to kind of walk down and you're in the water. So we were as we were walking down this little trail we get as we were going to the bend, this thing steps out and it didn't step out into the clear, but it stepped to the edge of the brush. It was like it didn't hear us coming. We didn't hear it, up hear it, and we startled each other and just stopped.

23:24 And you can see it's it's its eye shine. It was like reflecting off of the campfire camp light, and it started, you know, doing its bobbing and weaving and and like just rocking back and forth. Deal. And my father in law he didn't he didn't necessarily see it at first, and I'm hit him. I was like, what is that because I'm pointing. I was pointing out this thing. This is probably eight eight feet eight feet tall at least, I'm pointing up looking at it, and he's looking eye level. When he finally looks up and sees the eye shine, he started to draw his gun. I stopped him from drawings because he was going to shoot it. I was like, no, no, no, don't do that. So we stood there. It looked at us, We looked at it. It gave a grunt and turned and it sound like elephants going through the brush. At that point, it was like it didn't even care anymore.

24:15 It just and he was like, well, so of course next day we get up, we look at the you know, see the prince, see where it went through the brush. And that thing had a good it was a fourteen fourteen a half inch track. I believe. That's a good, good, sizable track for sure. Oh yeah, this. I always find it interesting how areas are first found. Is there a story behind how the original researcher that found that this Jenkins Gap was a area with bigfoot in it? There an interesting story behind how this area was found to begin with?

25:05 Yes, So you remember the tabloid The Sun. Yeah, that tabloid paper, The Sun. Sure, Okay, So actually, this this guy I can't think of his name, but he went up on Taylor's Ridge and basically him and his friend were playing to go on Taylor's Ridge to pick Jensen. And the friend got sick, said, you know, he couldn't come up right then, he'd come up later meet him up there. So the guy goes up and he's picking Gensing. So I think they had set up a time that they were going to meet, or a time that he was possibly going to be there. So the guy's up there picking Jensen's this, and where he's picking that is in the place where I chased that creatures, in Jenkin's gap, and and he, you know, he's picking gensing and he catches movement out the corner of his eye. He thought it was his friend, so he hollers, hey, I'm over here.

26:11 And so he goes back to doing what he was doing. And he said, you know, after thirty minutes, nothing nobody showed up. He figured from the distance that he saw the movement to where he was woulden. They took no more than ten minutes or so. So after after a little little while longer, he said, the hair is on the back of his neck stood up, and when he looked up, this thing was standing there looking at him, he said, and this is from this story. He couldn't run, His legs were locked. He couldn't move, he said. The things stood there, looked at him for a minute like blue, turned and walked up the ravine, and he said, the thing walk with a limb. It looked like it was it had been injured. And it walked like dragging its foot up the ravine. And he said, when he got a sight, he took off. He called the Sheriff's department.

27:18 The Sheriff's department called the Forestry Commission. And I think, I don't know how it got in that Sun newspaper, but the team I was in they called the Sun, which got him in touch with the guy and the sheriff department. And that's that's how we got up there. And back then it was known that there were creatures in that area. It was known by the George Georgia Forestry Commission that there were creatures in that area. They had been seen in the cemeteries. They had been seen like rummaging through trash and all that.

27:59 That's that. That is quite a statement to put out. There are there interactions you had that that made you think that, yes, the Forestry Department is aware of those creatures being out there. Well, for one is now this is like I said, this is back late eighties, early nineties. Right. For one, they knew we were a bigfoot research team. We had to go through the forest Georgia Forestry Commission to get up there. They would ask what have we found? What did we see? Did we capture anything? They knew us by name and now, I don't want to disclose the gentleman's name that we knew by name, but we knew him by name, and he would come up sometime and talk with us about various other incidents in that area.

29:01 Now it's not like that now, of course, But they know that I'm gonna putting it. They may still know. I would say that I don't think they ever don't know, but they I believe they do know, just not they don't want to whole bunch of people up there on that hill, you know, looking for this thing. Oh yeah, I mean that. That totally makes sense now when you say it's not like that now, Are you saying this area does not have a lot of bigfoot in it now? Or your interaction with the Forestry Department is not like that now. The interaction with the Forestreet Department is not like that now? Got it? Back then? It was pretty back then it was pretty much like a buddy system, you know, like when we first got up there, like they already had this relationship established when I came on board with the team, and it was before when we set up. When we would decide we were going to go, we would call that.

30:01 We would literally call the for Georgia Forestry Commission, ask for a particular person. Big for society who would be right back after these messages. This person would then let us know the best possible time have us. We would we would then go up there, pick up the key to the gate to that mountain, and they would close off the mountain after we got there, and so we would be only humans up there on that mountain researching any evidence that we found. We would let this particular individual know and he would. Now he was not like a government official that would take it and hide it. He was literally on our side and interested in the topic.

31:05 That is so unique. I mean, I would wager that that individual, if he's still around, is probably retired by now. Now that's what interesting individual with some very interesting stories, I would wager. But wow, do you think that area is still well? I know, I guess north in that wilderness area there's quite a bit of big Foot activity. Do you think there's still some down there in the southern part as well? Now, now I haven't been up there. The last time I was up there on that heel was two thousand and seven, and as activity began to die down around two thousand and three, two thousand and four, and what was happening was it became more populated. There, became more hikers.

32:03 The last time we camped up there where our base camp sat, we literally had people on horseback riding through our camp. So you know, at one point they would shut down the mountain. We'd be the only humans up there. And after this person you know, left, you know that no longer was the case. They removed the gates so you no longer needed to call them to come up there. It was just open to the public. So you had a lot of foot traffic, hikers going through there. Now, I honestly believe if the creatures are still there, they're more out of sight or people are seeing them and just not necessarily reporting them. Sure, you know. And then there's there's a whole mountain range up there, so it's possible too. And like I said, this is just me speculating because I haven't heard anything come out of that particular mountain where we researched at in a while. Is there's a whole lot of mountain ranges, so I mean, you know, by the foot traffic coming up through there, and also there's been some storms that has hit that area.

33:19 Also they could have just moved to another mountain, because I fully believe there was a family pod up there of at least eight eight creatures, and by now it ain't like they dwindle. I'm pretty sure they multiplied. So there's no telling how many is up there or where they're roaming at. How were you able to tell that there was eight different individuals there. Eight different footprints now, all right? So the biggest one, this one we found on our one of our last day trips. We had just poured a thirteen and the thirteen and a half inch track. We ran out of plaster Paris. We're packing up, getting ready to go, and we well, we parked, we parked our cars in the line and at the last car, you know at night you would be just outside the light radius we can go use the bathroom. Well, there was a tree behind this last car, and as we were packing up, the girl was packing up a car and she hollered for us to come look at this. And we walked back there and it was the prettiest twenty one inch footprint that you will ever see, and we didn't have nothing to pour it with. It was about an inch inch and a half in the ground deep where we had a guy that was there, he's three hundred and fifty pounds.

34:44 Couldn't even put a dent into dirt. Oh, everything was a monster. It's a different time because you know, today's technology you could just do a three D scan of it, But back then it was plaster or nothing, right. Yep, yep, because all we had it's it's it's oh man, I think about the if we'd had the technology we have now back then, the evidence we could have gathered would be incredible, incredible. All we had was a maglite, our pistol and some plaster parish and you know, your general camp and stuffunt camp compasses and stuff like that.

35:25 Because we were we were we were a poor ragtag group. You know, we didn't have a lot of money. So we worked with what we had, and you know, it produced, it produced, especially like when they would come around camp, you know, and I gotta make this this caveat here too? Is that you know I can. As I'm telling these stories, it seemed like stuff happened every time we went up there, and that's just not the case. There were a couple, there were quite a few times, more often than not that it was just a camping trip, because you know, we were trying to figure out when are they moving exactly, how when and how when are they moving? So we would try to plan according to the previous year's activity, you know, and when we hit it on the dot, we hit it on the dot. They would circle the camp, throw stuff in the fire, you know, have us run out there after them, and then we go back to camp and they just do their thing. And then there'd be day times where we go up there and it'd just be just a camping trip, not the first thing. So like these things, you know, these events that's happened were few and far between, but you know, we like we Like I said, we had eight different tracks. The smallest track was like eleven inches, the biggest one being that twenty one. Then the one that was crippled, he had

36:58 like a fifteen to sixteen inch track, and you would see you could tell his track because you would see his footprint. Then you see the drag mark. I fully believe there was a family pot up there, if you know, I mean, it could very well still be there, just in a different location in that mountain range. Oh absolutely, in that area. Would you ever hear any strange vocalizations or sounds in the woods. That's that's the thing. The only thing I've ever heard was like a low grunt. Okay, no, no wood knots. Then hear no wood knots. Well, I take that back. Heard a whistle, heard a couple of whistles once or twice, but no real like hollers. One of my like I used to I used to tease. I was like, man, I would love to hear the screen from the Boggy Creek movie, just to be up there one night. And that thing this cuts loose right, and I just I've I've never never heard the holler, never heard the holler.

38:04 That's one of the that's that's like a bucket list thing. I would be so satisfied to be out there, you know, And I mean, nothing else can happen, But I just hear that holler with my own ears. That that's that's like a bucket list thing for me. The strangest thing I've heard was we were walking down and so the way you when you go down into Jenkins Gap, you got to make this like a zig zag pattern down into the ravine. So we're about we're gonna after about the second zig I guess. You say I heard a tree get pushed over, and I say pushed over because it wasn't no wind. There was nothing windy, nothing like that going on. It just was you heard. And I was looking at my butty. I was like, what the heck was that? So that sounds like a tree. I was like, yeah, send, it's down there in the bottoms.

39:10 You want to go. He's like, yeah, let's go down there and look and see what this is. So we walked down there. Sure enough, tree was pushed over, and we're looking around like, I mean, it was a live tree. Why was it? You know, it didn't just break and fall over. It was pushed over. So and you know, we look at each other. It's like, did we make something mad? It's like, I don't know. So we're standing there. He's on one end of this tree. I'm on the other end of the tree, and we're probably good thirty forty feet apart. I'm at the trunk, he's at the top of the tree, and we're looking for footprints and stuff, and simultaneously we hear just like that. I look up, I look at him and he's looking at me. Did you hear that? Like? Yeah, where did it come from.

40:10 I was like, I'm beyond with it sounded like it was right next to me because it felt like I could feel the wind from it. He said, that's weird. It sounds like that to me too. And we didn't see nothing, didn't hear nothing, didn't find no footprints nothing. I said, that was the weirdest thing that's ever happened to me. That is very strange. Thinking of the all the different times that you've gone out over the years, has there been a time where the things have escalated in a way that you kind of became uncomfortable with.

40:56 Once? And I'm comfortable of a perfect word to put it, because that actually I went and sat in the car after that one same location, but we were at the area where it walked out with me and my ex father in law. We were camping at that area right there. Actually we were camping down on the creek at this particular time, close to it rather, and I was on a Saturday morning. Everybody got up and they went back into town to pick up some supply, so I stayed in camp because I just wanted to take a quick wash off and everything. So I'm in my tent and I got my clothes off, got my little poddle water and I'm soaking up and I hear who And at first, you know, I'm thinking it's a owl. It's eleven o'clock in the morning. You know, you no ailes out eleven o'clock in the morning. So I'm and I'm you know, I'm going through. I'm like, well, I'm still in my mind thinking this is a now, So I continue to sofa up and then I hear it again, but from a different location, and I was like, man, come on, you've got to be kidding me. This is not happening right now. And just as quick as I got that

42:27 thought out, and I heard it again from another location, and I was like, oh no, no, no, So I hurry up and wiped off real quick, and I stopped and listening and at they were, and it was closing in on me, and I just I got dressed and went and sat in the car. I said, not today. But I didn't see nothing. I didn't see anything, just heard the hooting. That's the most some Tumble've ever been. Yeah, I'd not be a fan of that either. I'd be like, yeah, I don't know. Guys like, yeah, how close were they getting?

43:11 No, I don't. Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't know. And I said, I haven't heard the vocal vocalizations, but you know, thinking about it, I've heard some. Yeah, I couldn't tell you because I was I was just you know, I just know they were. It was closing in at the first one I heard was like it was a good distance away. Not that's what maybe I was thinking it was an now, but it's eleven o'clock in the morning, you know. And as time went on, and I say this, this probably went on for fifteen minutes because they it wasn't they wasn't gone. They wasn't They was not gone three minutes before the first hoot went out. And what I'm thinking is either they didn't know because I was in the tent, so I'm I don't think they knew I was even there. They were, you know, I think they were coming to check the camp out. So they see me bolted out the tent and get in the car.

44:11 Then they were like, wait a minute, whoops. And they never they never, they never showed themselves. I don't know what I would have done if I'd have saw three or four of them creasers walk up in the camp. You know, I don't know what I. Would have done, man, you know that kind of thing. It's like your your view of the world is going to change a little bit, you know. It's yeah, yeah, I've not had a visual yet myself, but I mean I've had I've heard vocals that have.

44:51 Sent me from well, it was it was the vocalizations that sent me from belief to realization pretty much, and it was just like, oh my goodness. So you've you've mentioned how you did have some visuals in the past. Is that the main time when you were able to have a visual of one or were there any other events as as well where you've had a visual of something big for society? Will be right back after these messages.

45:39 See, I had like lately, I have like all right, so for a while I had got out of Bigfoot research. Sure, it ain't that I didn't believe or watch certain things, look things up. I kind of just you know, life, trying to get life together and stuff like that. So I kind of back, I'm backed away from actually getting out there doing it. The team members. Two of the team members that the founding team members passed away. Of that group, a lot of you know, a lot of the members were older, you know, so it kind of like just fizzled out. Now there were two members because we were at one point we were trying to revamp the team, and there were two members in there that after we kind of we kind of fell, didn't fall, I want to say, fall apart, but just wasn't able to get out there like we were. But two of the members, you know, did start their own research team and they've been researching for a while and they joined with other teams with another team, and one of our you know, founding members have passed away also. And I've been researching with this group here lately for the past I guess it's been it's been almost two years now, maybe three. I've been researching with them. Now. I haven't seen anything and yet, heard some rumblings you know in the in the in the brush, but I haven't seen

47:09 anything yet. Yeah. All my visuals have been between eighty nine. Well, I'll say that my first one was like like ninety two, ninety three, ninety somewhere around in that time period, and like five years after that. Those are only two. So when you're going out now with this other group, is it researching the same area or is it a new area. It's a it's a it's a different location. It is a different location, and it is there's been a lot of sidings bigfoot sidings and other things also that has been in this particular area. Yeah, yeah, now that's now.

47:56 That's you know, what's what I find interesting is and I can't It's like, I can't help but compare because there it's such a vast difference. When I started, you know, you had to either cold call somebody and hope they would talk to you, versus now everybody is talking about bigfoot. There are so many research groups, there are so many you know, it's just it's like a cultural phenomenon now.

48:37 I mean, you got bigfoot everywhere, and that is so strange to me. You know, I'm glad that it's at the forefront, but it's at the same time, I'm like, if it's that much in our culture, what is the problem with going ahead to say that this thing exists? Right? You know, we we have you know, so you know, I get and I you know, at work, of course, you got people that want to ridicule and stuff like that, and you know, I don't kind of buy into it. I just you know, they'll ask I tell them, tell them the truth. I'll tell them what I think. You know, they can like it or not. They're like, well, why ain't they got one? I said, I'm pretty sure they do. Well, how come they ain't letting it out? Because folks like you, you go you y'all go crazy. They say this thing exists.

49:24 Next thing, you know, you got to be a hundred folks out there in the dang woods trying to see one. And then when it throw, when they hit throw you out, and when they throw a rock at you hit you inside the head, then then then you're going then you want to shoot everything. I was like no, I was like, they're out there. I said, you know, there's we got so we got so much evidence. We know what it does. We know where they live, we know how We pretty much know how they live. We pretty much know their diet, we pretty much know their size, their weight, we kind of know their attitude. We know everything. We just don't have a body. And I honestly think there are some that are in captivity, so to speak. It ain't that's it ain't that they're in a cage, but they're in protected forest lands that you're not allowed to go into.

50:21 They're being watched, they're being monitored, they're being studied before they come out. And I think that's the same thing they did with a gorilla from the first reporter siding of a gorilla to its capture. You're talking one hundred and fifty years, almost two hundred years. That's very interesting, Tony. But you know, thinking about it for a little bit right now, I mean, I don't think it's out of the question, but you would have to have massive amounts of land that could be shut down to the public exactly. Hence are national forest there are places in a national force that are not the public is not allowed to be not even that. How about this in Washington State and Oregon they got big foot crossing signs.

51:15 Oh true, true, Yeah, yeah they do, they do. It's in the culture out there, no no question about it. But can you think of of specific areas that that you've heard of in national forces that are shut down to people not being able to go into them, or. If if I'm not mistaken, there are parts of Yellowstone that's like that. Okay, yeah, I think you're right. Yeah there, what's it? Mount Saint Helen's that some of some of that is shut down. I don't I don't know exactly the places, but there are you know, specific locations where you know you can't go on and and and also there's some national force lands where you can't carry a firearm.

52:04 True, that is true. It is a It is a very interesting thought and be interesting to see where people could take that. Maybe they have examples of their very own of places and different national force that they could put maybe in the comics on YouTube. Who knows. But I also man, so it's going to air in twenty twenty five, of course, I think that pretty soon we're probably going to get a whole ton of information on stuff in the sky. We'll leave it at that. My personal Bigfoot podcaster on is I think if we're going to get stuff in the sky soon, the chances of us getting stuff on the ground by the end of this year is so high, it is absolutely high. I mean, it just it just makes sense. Like I think what it's going to take is the right person needs to have the connection with the current president in twenty twenty five or the incoming president and be like, hey, you know, while you're while you're putting all this other stuff out there, you know, the stuff up in the sky. Why don't we just throw some of this, you know, bigfoot stuff out there too. They can handle it.

53:29 Yeah, I could see it. I mean, it's going to take the right person, maybe that listens to this podcast, that could be like, hey, President Trump, let's let's throw it out there. See what happens. I don't know, that's just me talking, but. Yeah, the right person with the right connection exactly exactly. And and you know, and I honestly, honestly think with with people like Vacdner, Jeffrey Meldrum, you know, and scientists like him that are making the subject seriously, you know that that adds weight to it. And you know, in this and beforehand there was doctor Grover kranz Ye, you know, and that adds weight to the subject of Bigfoot. I think one of the one of the one of the main issues with putting it out there as a viable creature is the name bigfoot, just the just the sheer name of it, you know. And I think that just makes it I don't know, I don't want to say it makes it comical, but it's it's it's a name that's hard to take seriously. Like you know sasquatch or some other super long name that they're attached to it, you know, because the gorilla is something it's not actually you know, scientifically it's not called the gorilla. It's called something else, but it's a long name or something. You know.

54:55 No, I mean, what will happen is is most definitely if it gets to the point where it's discovered by science and it's proven by science, they will give it a scientific name, and it will it won't be called it'll be called bigfoot by half the people and the other half will you know, it'll who even knows what kind of weird name it'll have then scientifically, yeah, be like North American maybe even who knows they might even go with North American? Would a buting like that, But you know you've kind of alluded to it already. But just to just to bring up the question, So you studied Bigfoot for all these years, there's so many different ways to look at what Bigfoot could be. What is your your personal view of what we're dealing with when we're looking for Bigfoot out there.

55:51 Now? A lot of my teammates and a lot of modern researchers, I think, but are not going to agree with me on this one, But I honestly think we're dealing with a flesh and blood bipedal primate, nothing more, nothing less. You know. I don't think they come from another planet. I don't think there spiritual being. I just think they are a and and another upright walking ape. Now, having said that, there is an extreme intelligence level. But chimps, apes, all primates are intelligent. They are super intelligent. What makes a sasquatch seem to be more intelligent is it just walks upright like us when we go into the woods, when what we're expecting to see is a horizontal line in the woods, that tells us that's an animal. You know, everything else is upright except animals. They are horizontal. So when you see something horizontal moving through the woods, you can bet your that's pretty much a wild animal or a fallen tree. However, with a sasquatch, you're looking at something upright, so he's not You're not going to see

57:22 him as easily as you would see a deer walking through the woods or a bear or anything like that, because it's walking upright. The only time you see it if it's moving. You know, one of my favorite bigfoot footage other than the Patterson film is the Freedman film where he's following the track and he looks up and there it is, just walking through the brook through the brush. Looks back at him like like what are you doing here? And keeps keeps on walking, and mister Friedman's heard saying there he goes, there he goes. You know, that's what we're looking at? Is an a That's what that's my personal opinion on what a sasquatch.

58:13 Is that that is that's very interesting mine is I would say at this point right now, it's definitely I do believe it's some sort of physical creature. I'm going to turn this into a question before I say the next part. So how if you if you know you're believing that you're dealing with physical creature primate, how do you deal with the reports that come in where it's just some really really out of left field things that are reported when these creeds are around.

59:02 Okay, so on some of it, I just simply say I have no idea. I am not afraid to say I don't know, and you know, I'm not going to try to discredit or brush off what somebody claims that they saw. You know, that's that's not when I'm why I'm here. You know, that's not what I'm trying to do. There are instances of misidentification, which I understand that. Now there are where you'll have a lot of bigfoot sightings and then you'll have in connection with that, you'll have a lot of UFO sidings, which people will tend to say there is a bigfoot UFO connection. All right. My argument with that is in that same area where there is a heightened UFO reports, there are also deer. There are also bear, There are also other wild animals in that same area where you got this UFO phenomenon going on. So, but we're looking for bigfoot in this area, or a bigfoot has been sighted in this area, does that mean that there's a connection between bigfoot and the UFO? And if if we can deduce that there's a connection between

1:00:35 bigfoot and the UFO, then wouldn't couldn't we also deduce that there is a deer UFO connection also? You follow what I'm saying. I get you. Sure, Yeah, there are there where where where where there are UFO sightings at a lot of them, there is also wild animals. There and if Bigfoot is a wild animal like a deer, a bear or anything like that, then the you know, would there be a connection or is it just happens that the Bigfoot is in the same area where there's a UFO, just like the deer, the bear or any other wild animal. Hmm.

1:01:20 That's that's interesting to think about for. Sure, because you know there's you got like for example, Gettysburg right. Big for society who will be right back after these messages. The you know, the ghost of Gettysburg in that battlefield and all that. You see all these paranormal things going on, but there's deer there also, there's other wild animals there, and these things are going to happen whether the animals there or not. You know, that'd be the same thing with if a Bigfoot was in the area. Yeah, there's paranormal activity going on there, but these things would happen if Bigfoot there was is there or not. We just saw we just so happened to be researching Bigfoot in the area where there's paranormal going on.

1:02:25 Sure you had mentioned something earlier where and I'm not sure if I if I heard it correctly, but it almost sounded like you were talking about one of the areas that you were researching not only had Bigfoot, but maybe other creatures as well being seen. Yeah, where we're currently researching, there's been some paranormal activity going on, reports of a dog man thing something like that. Other like other cryptids like Bigfoot, ghost ufo, sidings, orbs, high strained stuff like that, which me personally, I think it's I think a lot of that is spiritual stuff.

1:03:19 And I like to say, for me, I take a biblical approach to a lot of this stuff. I think a lot of the paranormal, the orbs, UFOs, these varying cryptids, I think that, you know, come from a spiritual aspect. I mean absolutely, I mean, you know, as in the days of Noah, right, I mean, weird stuff is going to start to come out, and I don't think it's going to get any less crazy further. You know, and I think it's going to be it's gonna come out more, you know. I'd like to put it this way. The devil used to hide his ways, Now he does. It's it's it's open so just doing stuff and because it's accepted now, you know, it's people are more accepting. And what I mean by accepting acceptance is they're they're open to it. They you know, they believe it, they see it, you know, Versus before it would be taboo to talk about something like that. It'd be you know now that it would be shut down immediately.

1:04:38 Versus now people are, yeah, that could that could be it, that can exist, that can happen that, you know, So it's just it's open. And what I think this is, you know, is you have I'm gonna say, divine beings doing a RepA of the days of Noah with mixing things, corrupting God's creation so to speak. You know, how everything is to reproduce after its own kind. The seeds are not supposed to be mixed, and I think you're having mixing of seeds going on. Hence that's a dog man, you know, a canine mixed with something to make it be able to walk on two legs rather than four.

1:05:28 Were wolves, you know, humanoid creatures, not Bigfoot, but other humanoid that just you know, you look at them. You can't what that, you can't even describe what you're looking at. Things like that, you know, that are able to appear and then disappear. You know, I think we're dealing. I think we're you know, we're seeing a lot of this stuff. It is so interesting because you know, you mentioned that the devil really doesn't seem to be hiding it anymore, but yet it feels like there are other people trying to hide it, you know what I mean?

1:06:11 Yeah, yeah, because they don't know what to do with it. Yeah, I think, you know, honestly, they just don't know what to do with it. You got this stuff out there. Just for example, if you if you was to you take if you had a big foot encounter, you know, just say one walked across the road right in front of you, and you don't have an outlet where you can share your experience confidently, without ridicule, without looking being you know, looked at a certain way. You just you wouldn't share it. You would try to rationalize it away.

1:06:51 And I think that's where a lot of people are. And you know, one of their outlets fortunately is like a part podcast like yours. All of the Bigfoot Research group. People are people are open, you know, it creates an avenue for people to explain what they've saught, what they've seen. Sure, because people are seeing stuff people, I'm not going to deny people are seeing things. But when I believe they're seeing is not what they think they're seeing. I believe it's manifesting in a way that to them they can eat.

1:07:31 It's a it's able to be explained as to what it is well that they're seeing. But I think it's all have has a I want to see a spiritual background to it to some degree. M it's it's there can be such an interesting conversation when you're you're talking about that, I would assume you're you're probably talking about things that are not Bigfoot. Yeah, yeah, because you know, I think Bigfoot honestly, I just I really believe Bigfoot is just like a deer or a bear that's in our forest. But there are other things that's attached to Bigfoot that I'm gonna say that we have attached to Bigfoot because there's still some things we don't understand about the creature itself. One thing in particular is how you can follow a track line and it just disappeared. You know, I don't know what happens to it, so but I must say I don't know.

1:08:39 But there are others who will say, well, maybe maybe it walked through a portal. Maybe it dematerialized, maybe it blinked out of this reality, you know, and those other explanations come because we don't know what happened to do We don't know why the track line disappeared, you know it. Did it go down on all fours and begin to walk? Did it climb up a tree? Did it? You know? So there are still certain mysteries about Bigfoot that we have yet to grab a hold of or grasp so a lot of other things I think get attached to Bigfoot because of those mysteries that we don't have the understanding of yet.

1:09:30 Oh yeah, I mean absolutely, And I think that's that's part of the allure of it. But I mean, I'm thinking just to my own experience. I mean, I in Oregon this summer, I did there was it. I was sitting in a chair in an area that was extremely active for about like five minutes. I couldn't move out of the chair. That was very strange. Wow. Yeah, And I don't know, maybe that was some infrat sound. But there's like there's so many questions. You know, there's the whole infrasound thing. There's people that claim that they get you know, telepathic communications or people that start to have weird things happen at home after they've been in an area that is active where they've had a sighting, they start to have, you know, paranormal type things happen at home, Like what is the connection there? Is very interesting?

1:10:24 Yeah, and I'll tell you I don't have an answer for it that I don't know. And like that now that infrasound, I find that very interesting because big flank the only creature that has infrasound. Right, Tigers have infrasound, and they're purposeful with it, like you know, if you know, I'm sure you've heard your cat per right, that same per coming from a tiger produces an infrasound because it's so deep and low. Elephants have infrasound. You know, any large mammal or an animal that has a larger large lung capacity will produce infrasound. Sometimes, you know, some animals use it intentionally, like when the lion roars and it freezes things in the woods, that that's infrasound. Now, I think by default, you you know, an organ so they them the sasquatch out there grow big, they grow big.

1:11:33 I mean in Georgia, we're dealing with, you know, like that twenty one. This track was big. But that's that's a that's an anomaly because the average sightings here they're roughly six to seven at the most eight feet tall, and they're lanky. They probably weighed five six hundred pounds. Maybe in Oregon they I'm pretty sure they get up wards a nine hundred pound I want to say, I think the tallest one on record, this was this was a couple of years ago, was like thirteen feet tall, probably weighing one thousand pounds. That thing's going to produce some infra sound just in breathing, you know, and you're and you're sitting in a chair and god knows how many is around you that you just ain't seeing and they're just breathing, and they got you locked in the chair just because of that low rumbling infrasound.

1:12:39 Yeah, it was. It was weird. It produces a fight or flight sensation. It it'll it can paralyze you and make it gives some people severe headaches, makes dizzy, can't hardly see, you know. It affects it affects individuals differently. But the uh, the aspect of when you go home and you're away from it and paranormal stuff stirs up. I couldn't tell you. You know, what I would think that is is there is something demonic about whatever you encounter, if it even was a bigfoot and not something else. And that's and and and that's just again that's trying to, that's trying to, that's speculating on a mystery, sure, exactly.

1:13:38 Yeah, yeah, it's just it's it's it's very very interesting. What you know, people that have connections somehow to this usually have other things happen in their life or are connected somehow to other her normal type things. It's just it's a very strange thing that I've noticed over the different interviews that I've done, and you know, maybe we'll never know why, but it is part of the mystery for sure. I think it's just really just really just mystery. It's like, you know, I was interested in the luck and this monster till you know, but I can't go to Scotland to look for it, so, you know, I can just read about it, and you know, I have my opinions about what it is. But like my dad used to tell us ghost stories all the time, he was able to see them and he would tell us, Oh man, he would tell us so many ghost stories. It's crazy to have us up all night scared, just scared. But and Bigfoot was just you know, sit up on a Saturday night watch a Bigfoot movie. But it to me, one of my favorite movies was Grizzly Adams, one of my TV series. Rather, I love that show. I always wondered why he never come in contact with a bigfoot.

1:15:06 He come in contact with every hand in the forest, but he never came in contact with a bigfoot that I have that I've in any of this, you know that I know of huh, because I think that would have been the to me, that would have been the the greatest thing to me, because I've just never ms V asked me a question on one of her podcasts about the dark side of bigfoot, you know, people that have been attacked and people going missing and and all that, you know, and I've never thought about that. That that she you know, she opened my eyes up to a whole nother realm of this creature that I never even considered, never considered. I knew you don't want to make them mad, you know, I knew you. You know, you respect you you know, when you go into the woods, you respect, you respect the woods, you know. So I knew these I knew that, but I've never looked at them as out like a rogue when going mad and hurting people and killing people.

1:16:15 Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages. I never thought about that until she brought that up. And you know, like me chasing that thing that was that was if I'd have knew then what I know now, that wouldn't have happened. You know, that would not have happened at all. I wouldn't have left the people I was with. I'd have just, oh, you see that, let's see if we can follow the tracks type thing. I never would have chased it. There's been other times were took off after it, you know, when they come around camp.

1:17:04 But I never would have done that. But the possibility of these creatures, because again Rick Dillon was a wild animal. We don't know what it will do a lot of times, and I have fallen into this where I think I know what it'll do. You know, I believe I know what it'll do. But the truth of the matter is I do not know what it will do. I do not know how it's feeling that day. I do not know how it's going to react. So, you know, could some of these missing people be could it be the Could they be victims of a rogue, si squatch or just a curious one where you're a lone on the trail, it's there and it just carries you off. That's very how that highly possible. And you know I can face that on Albert Ousman who got carried away and was kept until he gave it snuff to get away. It wouldn't let they wouldn't let him leave, you know, And that was what in the fifties or twenties or something like that. And if he hadn't given it no snuff, he'd have been a missing person. So there is this I don't want to say sinister side, but this we

1:18:38 cannot negate that this is a wild creature that we're dealing with. I would say you definitely, you know, if you are going to be out going researching, have your wits about you, let people know where you're going. Exactly, you know, be. Have some some form of protection with you. However you view that. But yeah, at the end of the day, I mean, you know, if you are looking at them as some kind of physical creature. You know, if it's an animal, if it's cornered, it's going to act differently.

1:19:18 If there are you know, very young juveniles or around you know, sometimes you don't you know, creature can be more protective, so you know, you have to be aware you can be putting yourself in some really interesting situations. But Tony, it's been a pleasure talking to you tonight. Another area of Georgia that we hadn't We've never talked about Jenkins' Gap before on the show, so it's extremely interesting to hear about it. Is there a way that, you know, if people want to reach out to you or do you kind of keep in the shadows a little bit or how do you view that?

1:19:59 Well? I'm kind of just here, okay, all right, I have an email. It is Tony G three eight nine at gmail dot com. If anybody wants to reach out, that's that's my email. You don't have a website or nothing like that. Just just got my email, and you know, I'm hoping to really discussing the subject. You know, it's it's fun. I have a good time doing it, you know, and you meet some fantastic people. You meet some fantastic people. Oh yeah, I mean that's I would say that's half the fun, right there, is the people you meet along the way. But yeah, Tony, thank you so much for opening our eyes about northwest Georgia. There, and thank you for coming on the show.

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