I Want These Creatures off my Property, Any Way You Can.

0:00 And Dad had hired a company to come in and start cutting down trees that were enormous within themselves there. You know, the kind of logs you'd only be able to put two or three on a logging car. And that's when things changed quite a bit. They would just come out and stand there, away from the tree line by a few feet. They were quite unafraid, all four of them. They would stand most of the time motionless. They had no fear of us whatsoever, at least to us, the family, the everybody was hassled. Hi. There, you're listening to the Big Fist Society podcast. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquats in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode with a friend. Does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. I'm heading out on a big Foot expedition soon with Horonymus and others, and I want to take a few minutes to thank those who have bought me a coffee to help me go on that expedition.

1:30 Special thank you to Cheryl Kay for buying three coffees. She says, good luck. Appreciate that, Cheryl. I'll definitely let you know how it goes. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes and Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Big Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Wade tonight. He has contacted me from a great state of Oregon. How's it going tonight, Wade? It's going very well, thank you very much. Awesome. And so you reached out and you're saying how you you would like to provide some information hopefully it would be able to help listeners about the time that you had lived And is it okay if I say the area where you had lived in Oregon? Absolutely? Okay. So you had lived in Renier, Oregon, and you had some really interesting interactions that sound like with sasquatch in that area. So I'm just going to let you go ahead and share what you had experienced. Okay, that' that'd be great. Well, we came to Rainier, Oregan from southern California. As my dad was a pipe fitter. He was hired onto the Trojan E. Good Plant as it was being built. And I am one of many kids and boys and girls,

3:07 and I was the youngest, and Dad bought this land. And when we first got there, there was we moved into this just horrible a single wide trailer until we can get a brand new one there. And right off the bat, some very odd things were occurring. We thought it was just the neighbors coming over, but it wasn't to be. To be blunt, these animals or whatever they are, whatever you choose to call them, there is real as the vehicles driving down the road. That being said, they had a nasty habit at first, just looking through our windows and scaring mostly all my sisters, all the girls and my mother, and they would scream and run from the room, and Dad would always run out the door, and he wouldn't hardly ever see anything, but he would hear loud footsteps as if you were dragging a engine block through the woods, so to speak. We all started to get pretty good looks at him here and there, and in the daytime and a nighttime, and it was obvious as we cleaned the single

4:38 wide up the outside of it, that these animals were pounding on this trailer, and it was they was just pounded, and we slowly understood what was what was occurring. Now. They didn't do anything aggressive at first. They were just there. They were just curious of what was going on. It was obvious to a plowboy that nobody had lived in this trailer for quite some time, years possibly, so we knew that there was four. We knew there was four because we all seen all four of them at the same time many times, mostly in the daytime. There was obviously a large annual excuse a cliche. There was a large male, yeah, well saying large as kind of a understatement. There was a smaller female. She was more boxy, chubby, kind of shaped, and then two younger ones that were almost identical. One was a little brown, one was a little cinnamon read and

6:13 they were very almost identical in height. So they're mom and dad had to rationalize this. They were lying to us children. They had to become professional liars to their children by saying, oh, these things are just like monkeys. They're monkeys because we came from California and we would often go to the San Diego Zoo, you know, once a year kind of thing, and so because they they did not want their children frightened. So we thought, okay, they're monkeys, so we wouldn't be afraid. So in time we had a new double wide put in above where we were at and cleared off a bunch of land, and Dad had hired a company to come in and start cutting down trees that were enormous within themselves there, you know, the kind of logs you'd only be able to put two or three on a logging car. And that's when things changed quite a bit. They would just come out and stand there, away from the tree line by a few feet.

7:40 They were quite unafraid, all four of them. They would stand most of the time motionless. They had no fear of us whatsoever, at least to us, the family, the everybody. He was hassled. And when I see, when I say everybody, I want to let me qualify that the timber followers that Dad hired, they were being hassled and they were being scared off by these things. The people that we bought the land from a very elderly couple named Belle and how they still lived on the property and old shack.

8:28 They were being harassed and so slowly, over months and months things would uptick. So what Dad thought he would do is let people at the time who was working around him. He would let the men live in the single wide that we did staying there for for one reason, Dad said, I'm not going to charge you any money to stay there, because at the time it was super hard to find a place to live there. These things were on the property. You'd make a reasonable effort to air them out in any way that you see fit and you're good, and so they did. I was always instructed to stay away from them, and it just got really bad, especially for the girls. For some reason, the male and female they were just they they couldn't they were It's like their curiosity got the best of them. And the girls of course would use high pitched voices because we were young and the girls we're just frightened absolutely everything. My older brother, he

10:05 was the oldest and I was the youngest. We were told things a little bit differently. Dad of course, being this five foot tall pipe fitter that resembled Yosemite. Sam also a marine in the Korean War era was no joke. You didn't mess with this guy, and you're not gonna tell him what to do, you know, but a very decent man, and he'd look at my brother and I and say, these things are a threat. I don't want you to grab a rifle and go after them, because that's what they probably want. And we never did. But the men in the trailer started to seek these things out to fulfill their obligation, so to speak, and it just got worse. They kind of I think that was kind of a mistake on Dad's part. So you know, this is this is a span over four years at least it was for my brother, my dad, and myself. Now after two years, all my sisters, including my mother who was a heart patient, and not to be startled, they had had enough. They're always these were not the girls that we remember when we moved there. There. They could never get any sleep. They're always scared.

11:39 They they they changed, and Dad was. Dad was of course concerned more than the concern. He was, you know, scared for all the girls. Every once in a while, you know, one of the girls or both of the girls are all four of them for that fact would run in the house screaming, and you know, and that's not good. And the nerves would be high for a couple of days, but then a few days later something else would happen the girls would get scared again. So and this went on for a couple of years and Dad finally sent the girls away to Kennewick, Washington. And the day after Dad had sent the girls away, he got the men from the trailer down there and us two boys and informed everybody, the girls are gone. I want these things aired out. You know, all all bets are off. So it's funny people think, oh, just turn on all your lights and and they'll go away. That's that's that's not exactly true. They don't care about the light. They don't care because often you would see them in a light like an old farm light in

13:13 your driveway that you would have, and they'd be standing just a few feet away from it, either staring at the house most of the time, or off at one of the other animals creatures. So that's not you know, people think terminal lights and they'll go Now they know they're not going to go away. They're not afraid. So they tried a lot of different things to actually lure these animals in, and not a darn thing worked to lure than him. They try to bait him or whatever. They just wanted to get a shot at them. And well, let me describe the animals. The large male, I remember this boiler maker. He was a boiler maker, and these are all savvy men. He had said the male was at least ten feet tall and a little under a thousand pounds, and he never qualified how he knew that. But you look at these group of men, they knew that they were. These were old school, very tough, all go, no stop hunting, almost year around kind of men. And the female was probably probably about eight feet tall and a little bit lighter, but just

14:45 there there. It's my opinion that when people go in this shock, they think that, you know, they could see when it's no big deal, but they're not ready to see how enormous these creatures, these animals actually are, and that's what stops people in their tracks. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. I think it's something inherent in all of us that when we either see something that large and that's not supposed to exist, that it. You know, it scares us into to act out or just to shut down and not move. But anyways, the two smaller ones, I believe it probably their children. They were at least eight feet tall at the very least, and but they were they were very very fast, and they would run every once in a while. They would run, but they wouldn't uh. It's it's kind of hard to describe. They would lean forward a little bit, but their hand their arms wouldn't like pump back and forth like like ours would. They're they're they're almost completely still.

16:18 So it's a little off putting if you don't it almost looks a little cartoonish. Yeah, it's almost a little cartoonish. So about two months after that had sent the girls away to Washington State, the large male was standing uh, directly underneath the light on a water well pump house. And we had just put that thing in and built it. And these animals had had a nasty habit of not taking things, but they would they would pummel things.

17:02 They would beat it up, whatever it was, they would just pummel it into the ground. It was you know, who could guess the behavior of such animals, But that's what they did it just it was really infuriating to all of us. It made no sense. Even a Tonka truck, a Tonka truck that I left out, it was just absolutely smashed, like you literally ran it over by the car. And but there's no mistake. You know, with the footprints around this tonk on the ground, you can clearly see what what the what had happened. So but anyways, the large male, he never had a facial expression, never, not once. Everything on his face was h It's like extravagated, like his his eyes, his nose, his lips, like you could put both your fists in his mouth and still have room. He was kind of like him, with all due respect, he looked like he had Down syndrome, verbatim. He's you'd look at this animal and jes say, ah, he has Down syndrome. And the

18:34 reason why I can say that because they would put their faces right up to the window. There's there's no mystery. Their eyes would move very quickly and you would just see little little shards of white on the sides of their eyes when they would move left and right or up or down. And the female looked like just like a huge mouth person all the same body parts, of course, but she was expressive. Her eyebrows would move up and down quite a lot. I was always surprised at how you could like see the her pink nostrils. Really, it's just like the brightest pink within her nostrils that you could always see. And the two smaller ones that were almost identical, they were, well, they kind of look like Bonobo's. It's a certain type of monkey. So we tried to keep an eye on these things, what time they would would come and go, the noises we would hear, and how they behaved. And we knew always that they would leave in the

20:11 wintertime, and they always would when the snow hit. They were they were gone. I don't know why, but I don't know why I'd be guessing, but they would do things that we're now thinking about it now is the most god awful creepy things that like, between the new house and there was a very old barn there in that we had well over a century old, very large. They would crawl clearly on their bellies, there's no other way, you know, to describe it. Between the barn and the house and was about three foot tall grass, and they'd leave a swath in this grass easily eight nine ten ft wide. It's just and they would just be an arking crawl. And I do remember distinctly standing there with Dad and my older brother, and my older brother exclaiming with his hands up in the air, going, Dad, I don't know what they tell you. They're crawling.

21:26 They're crawling, you know, through the grass, you know. And even though the grass wasn't very tall, and you would think, Okay, how can such a large animal crawl only through three feet of grass and not be seen? And it's just absolutely creepy. They would sound completely different in two different ways. They would if they were at it, like a distance, they would howl nothing else sounds like that. They were in the very large loud calls. But when they were close it would be like like if you recorded somebody mumbling but played it backwards. If that's when you it's like they would they would mumble for lack of final words to each other. So they let me get back to large male here. The about a month and a half after the girls were sent to the Try Cities in Washington, they were the large mail was standing in the light by the pump house and his shoulder

23:00 there were well above the pump house roof, which was in your standard feet roof. And Dad was so angered by the hubrist of this creature that he went to the guncase yet again and he pulled out his rifle. And this was and I still got that rifle. Actually it's a thirty out six Weatherbee. And he was so irritated at the time he didn't want to run all the way to the end of the trailer. Excuse me to open the door and shoot at this thing. He slid the one of the two windows on this big window on the front and shoved the rifle through the screen and shot at this animal. Now, Dean and I were standing there in the middle part of the unopenable window, and you can you can see, you know what it's like when that when a bullet will hit an animal like that.

24:06 You see lots of dust and fur and the shock on the body as a bullet hits. Now, Dad hit it in the left shoulder, and I don't know where he was aiming, but I'm telling you, this animal, as big as it was is, would turn around and got out of the out of our view, which is maybe thirty feet to the tree line, and out of that light fasted before the fur that came off the animal hit the ground, and you can't it's hard to articulate how fast these these animals are capable of moving, but they can if they're if they're motivated. So not too far after that they started their behavior changed a little bit. So what they would do is that they would step out of the tree line a little bit. They would make a left or a ride in this big circle.

25:26 I mean we're talking maybe four acres cleared off in the trailer right in the center, and they would run along the the tree line like you see some people in the yard where that dog has been in that yard for years and it's got you know, this trail just completely worn down. It had that look, but this was maybe four feet wide and it was just dust. There was nothing growing on the circle. So it would that's kind of humans, but it's not. It's a little unsettling. Everything about it is absolutely unsettling. So what what I understand now is that they had a problem with a few things. They had a problem with the color black. And I'm just going to go ahead and say this. At the time, Mom had two cars. She had a big Ford van with lots of windows and bench seats for kids, and it was a light green. But mom.

26:38 Dad also bought mom a big, huge honest like the nineteen seventies and Lincoln Continental, and they would run into that thing if from it could be just a little after desk, and they would literally run into it. It was odd. I can't explain why. I can't explain why. I don't know, but I went against my dad's wishes and I was I wasn't messing with these animals, but I wanted to try something. And what I did is that, Okay, the reason why I did. They have a problem with splitting their attention, as if they can only pay attention to one thing at a time. And what I did is I hung a pop can from a fishing wire over a branch just barely inside the woodline. And I said that the fishing line all the way back to the porch of the house. And it was up there for about two weeks until I finally had the nerve to jiggle the can when I would see one. This was the female and I could see her even though she was just a few feet in the tree line.

28:15 She would sway just a little bit just I seen her and she wasn't aggressive, but she's seen me, and she knew I could see her. And I walked over to the edge of the patio and I started jiggling that fish line and as if as if you were teasing an animal. They became tormented or frustrated that she did not want to take her eyes off of me, especially after I jumped off the patio and started pulling the string again.

28:55 But she could hear what was going on about thirty feet away from her, and it's the only time I've really seen her neck really moved a little bit independently of her Justice the enormous, blocky body, and she became frustrated and started like crying, like justice, high pitched kind of frustrated cry. So I was just a knucklehead kid at the time. I knew nothing. I just do nothing. But I did this. And it lasted for about which seemed like an eternity, but it was only just a few minutes. And I didn't even have the guts to go retrieve the can after she turned and walked away. But we did see the mail that Dad shot twice after that, and but this wasn't a terribly consistent thing with these four we'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. But it was just an instant, maybe once a month, sometimes twice a month, but it spread over almost four years until Trojan the nuclear plant actually opened. And we're

30:30 talking to the late seventies here, and but Dad had a very hard time with the people around him, the neighbors. There was two houses across the street from us. They never came out at nighttime. I knew that they were angry with Mom and Dad for cutting down the lumber for some reason. And I think that they already knew that these animals were around. And here comes my dad mucking everything up. You know, you're you know, you're stirring the pot, and you're making trouble for all of us. There was people that would show up and give my dad a hard time. They all the way from the Department of Interior. I think I'm trying to remember the logo on the side of that vehicle. But there was a man in a white shirt with pins in his pocket and heavy black glasses and black slacks, and he was also with another man who was very large, man, very gruff, very tall, and they were telling Dad what not to do.

32:06 And I didn't hear them very well, but it definitely heard Dad, and he said, you're not gonna tell me what to do. Of course, Dad used a lot of colorful metaphors, and he goes, I know what I'm shooting at. I've had it. If you don't like it, why don't you come up here and stay, Stay a couple of nights and see how you feel. You're not going to tell me what to do on my land, And if you don't like it, then tough. You know, the police and game boardings would be there at least once every two months, and that was a little bit more cordial, calm conversations. But everybody knew up on that land. And the land sat a couple of miles up a road called near City in Rainier, Oregon, and it was just passed at a quarter mile past a cemetery that is a private member only cemetery. I'm trying to I don't remember what the membership is on the right. And everybody knew without exception that these animals were up there, without exception. So I understand my dad's motivation that he wanted these animals gone. He Dad bought the

33:39 land to harvest the lumber. But these animals were making it hard on everybody up there from to just absolutely everybody, So it would be financially ruinous for us to leave, even though Dad was still working as a pipe fitter at Trojan. So, like I said, these these are not mythical creatures. They're they're absolutely blood and bone. I think that they're a primate, but I think they're just more than just a primate. They're they're more whatever that is. But whatever that is, I don't know. I think that you would be a fool, fool, hardy to jump in the woods, ignorant of a lot to go look for these things if you think you know where they are. There's no part of that equation where that will turn out a positive for you. And I want to qualify that everybody knows, even a plowboy would understand. If you don't want to be seen in the woods, all you have to do is standstill for the most part. But they have the ability to move so quickly that I'm telling you, because I hunt every

35:15 once in a while, you're not going to be able to draw a beat on these animals. You're not going to be able to lead your shot. If you get a clear shot. I think if they let if they let you see them, they've either either made a mistake or they want you to see them, and you're in a faithful of trouble. But for some reason, these animals, they were just absolutely fascinated with us kids. They did. They weren't aggressive towards us, They would just observe us, for lack of final words, but they were aggressive to everybody else without exception. The even the men coming up that drilled the new well up there, their equipment was thrown around. They seen him. They were frightened. Now and I want to prove that even the men that he hired to drill the well were frightened. On the second to the last day before they hit water, Dad and I were coming up the hill on a Saturday afternoon and had deep Forest Green Company truck he had, and they were coming down in their trucks and

36:46 they just said, hey, look, Dean, we've had enough. You've got to you've got to get rid of these things were done and he you know, of course, they were exchanging some colorful of for us, and he goes, all right, you know, I'll put the men right on the land while you're working as much as I can, and we'll make sure everything is okay. And and they came back the next day and they hit water and then that was it. But they they harassed everybody, especially the the lumberjacks, all the men that went up there to cut down all those trees, and not just a little bit of trees, but it took at least three years to cut down and process all these trees, which was good for us. That's why we bought the land. But they never harmed us kids. They never harmed us. They, like I said, their curiosity just get the best of them. I didn't know a lot of the problems in my family, while there were so many problems with my siblings, regardless of their their education, but they were still traumatized from when they were young.

38:23 And until an older cousin convinced me and says, hey, you gotta get this off your chest, and I also want you to understand why so many things happened the way they happened. I remembered a lot, but he helped me a lot to put it in a straight line to where I said, Ah, got it. I understand now. So now to be sure the property still exists, that old double wide is still there. The barn is gone, but there are two old bachelors that live in that place, and I have no doubt that they're having trouble. So I rode by there, I think about a year and a half ago now, and I go on motorcycle rides and I couldn't help but stop in and see the place, and it brought back a lot of memories, and not a lot of them good. So if you if they don't want you to see them, you're not going to see them. If they want to, if they want to take you, they're just they're just going to take you. And there's there's no choice about it. They're they're too fast, and they're too quiet.

39:57 There wasn't any really old to them. I heard somebody say once, I never smelled anything bad with these animals. I think there's a heck of a lot of them. There would have to be just like any breeding, you know, animal, they'd have to be enough of them around it. But if you hear somebody else talk about them, it's hard to know what to believe or not to believe. I'd like to I would like to hope that they were just like a dog, a simple creature, some intuitive and some kind of smart. You can teach tricks, but they're not. They're more than just a primate because they're emotional. They do emotional things. They act out, they'll they throw fits, they're it's hard to describe, but they're they're thinking about it now how they were acting. Sometimes it's they're clearly they're emotional creatures, and that's scary within itself. If they were just a simple animal like a deer or an elk or a pig. But they're they're not.

41:25 I think that they're considerably smarter than we get them credit for. So that's just a that's just about it. Wade, can can I ask you some questions? Oh? Please? Do have you shared this with anyone else? Yeah? I talked to one man who was a very decent man, and it kind of helped me a lot inside Since then too, it kind of made me angry because it affected my family severely. And only in the last several years that I realized that it really affected our family and what happened to us and how it shaped our lives. But I was so young at the time I couldn't grasp it. Right, So this is just a random individual that you had talked to to try to work through some emotions you were having. Well, no, this person was suggested to me and who's had similar experiences. I thought, well, I'll talk to him and try to you know, put it in a linear way that that kind of makes sense.

42:52 And and it was. It made me happy, but it also made me angry for what these animals did. And they were just being themselves. That's they're doing what they're doing. They I don't think they were evil, but they're just they're just saying, hey, we're we're here too, and we're gonna do what we're gonna do. Wow. So it wasn't a guy. Was it a guy with another podcast? Because if it was, I want to listen to that one too. Yeah, it was. What was a very decent man. Okay, I liked them. His name was West Grammer. Oh yes, okay, Sasquas Chronicles cool. I had a feeling that wait, this is this is wild, like this is a wild wild story. Did they ever try to get inside the houses or the trailers on the property. No, they never did. But what they what they did when they would like act out like negative behaviors like you would get from a child, They would, they would they would destroy things. They At first Dad put in a a white pick offense. It was a joke. He always promised my mommy would put it in, and by god, he did, and it was a nice one. And it would stomp it and not

44:22 just knock it down. They would just they would just stomp back and forth on this thing. After they knocked it down, they would try to tear the barn up, tear branches. Obviously, they would just like property damage, you know, it was it was illogical. It just to you know, my young mind at the time just couldn't process that. Did you have any thing from that time period that could be used as evidence of these creatures besides your memories other than absolutely everybody else's memories and experiences. Well, I'll tell you what I'll tell you. Well, I mean, as there were so many people involved and absolutely everybody knew every every police officer, every game warden, we would There used to be a restaurant downtown Rainier. It looks like a Thomas Kincaid painting right at the time, in the late seventies, there was a pizza parlor called Mister Ben. Mister Ben Jane goes we'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. And we would

45:53 walk in there as a family and we were all I was standing by this music box, and there was another family there, and there was a little girl in there that would they she was pointing, of course, their children. She goes, look, mom, mama, it's the monkey family. It's the Monkey family. And everybody in that town knew what was occurring, the two bachelors that still lived there as of like a year and a half ago. I think as soon as I told him my name, my whole name, you could see of Paul just rest on these people like, uh, it's one of you, and they knew right away because there was so much history there in that town when all of that occurred. I think I think people kind of take these things for granted, that the fact that somebody would grab the rifle and go whether they whether they bang on trees, that's right, bang on trees and try to call one of these things in your your toast, just to you you're you're not going to make it. So

47:25 I haven't looked into tracking these things down too much or what they really are too much. I'm still angry in my mind and in my heart of what what our family had had to live with over those uh four years. And this isn't you're saying mid to late seventies. Yeah, Trojan was finally done and Dad just went to the next nuclear plan, which was in the Tri Cities. It was, it was, it was not it was. I think that the worst part about it is is not just those animals. It wasn't just those animals. It was it was the social things after the fact.

48:23 When my older cousin who was the same age as my brother, my brother's the oldest on the youngest, he looked at me and he was the one that encouraged me to talk to Wes. He goes, ever wondered why you guys by Christmas so time so much? And I'm like, no, I really don't know, because you know, I really put on the dog lots of decorations, He goes, because those animals would always leave in the wintertime and you guys could relax. My copy I'll be dipped in chocolate. And I had no idea. It didn't really dawn on me, you know, I thought, well, okay, right, okay, okay at it. And when we finally got up to Richland, Washington, the Tri Cities.

49:10 Those girls, you know, there were nothing like I remembered. And they all went on to have fantastic educations, fantastic for all intensive purposes, fantastic lives, but all their lives were just well, they were kind of train wrecks because they never they had such a hard time growing up in that place. At least they were there for two and a half years. And and my brother too, I mean the very next day after he turned eighteen, he joined the Navy, and he was gone. He didn't want to have And of course there's you know, me, Wade, and of course nobody's going to stop and explain stuff to me because I was just that, you know kid. How old were you during that time? Ten? Wow?

50:00 Dude? Oh man, I wasn't. I wasn't super young, but I was old enough I understood a lot what was going on. There was a man that worked, He was a pipe fitter two and I always wondered why Dad brought this one man with him wherever he went. And he was this large black man, but a sweetheart of a man. And his name was Sippy. I don't know if that's his real name or not. But that's what everybody called him. And Sippy did something that he said worked real good. The fact that one of these creatures even walked by him and hit the butt of his rifle. But it was so close with slag, but he was so close to the house, and it was he was facing the house. Sippy was with his gun, he couldn't shoot. But what Sippy would do would get a bunch of trash bags, this whole black trash bags and tape them together and he would hide under the trash bag just in the yard waiting for one of these animals to to show up. So he couldn't give him the business. Now, Dad wasn't a fool. Dad promised these men a pretty good cash incentive if they were able to get one on the ground. So this particular man named Sippy did his dead level best until Dad

51:35 died of cancer. Sorry, well you know he worked on all those nuclear plants. That's where it's found you. Wherever Dad went, like a month later, Sippy would show up and Sippy. Dad only worked for three different companies his whole life, and he brought Sippy with him wherever he went. So whatever it's Sippy did, as they would say, in a vernacular sippy did dad is solid somewhere that I'm unaware of. So I have no doubt that those animals of some type. I don't know how long they live.

52:22 There's no reason for them to go anywhere. There's every possible resource and animal could one. I mean you think, gee, was you got brown bears living in there? Well, I'm sure you could throw a big primate and there, what's you know? So I have no doubt there they're still there. Wait, how far out in the woods were you guys living from the town of Rainier, Like, was it quite a drag drive out into the woods? No? No, no, not at all. We're talking up. You leave downtown Rainier proper, and you go through maybe half a dozen blocks of the small town hilly, very hilly roads, and there's a very large school at the bottom of the hill. I think it was some kind of academy. Maybe I'm not sure. And you take a sharp ride around that and that road is called near City Road, and you're only going to go up that road maybe a mile and small change if that. And it's a one long straight shot up this road, not a lot of curves, So it was close. It's not far away at all. To prove I'm not a complete idiot. A few months ago I Google map that I just looked on Google Maps. The cemetery is still there, and it's and it's all just there. And even since the short time that I rode through there

53:53 on a motorcycle, they built a couple of more houses here and there. But my suggestion is, if you desire to find one of these animals, it's real simple. You go up that hill and between that old cemetery it was some odd members only cemetery, I don't know which one it was, and there's a power line road there. You just hang out around there and they'll be right along because they light the power line road for whatever reason. Why you could is sure as the sun comes up every morning, you could always go down there and find tracks on the power line road. Absolutely goodness, I want to track down those bachelors so bad. You know they're being messed with probably to this day. There's no test my mind. Right, that's right now. The barn is. The barn is no longer there, but it doesn't look like it just fell down, and there's a pile of old lumber. The barn is gone. There you know. There they took all the lumber. But to the lip where the barn was, there was a short little alleyway cut little cut through the woods, and there's an old cabin that's built. I'm telling you what, till this day, I've never

55:25 seen anything like it. The cabin is built out of like sixteen by sixteen logs that have been hewned off pretty good. It's just overbuilt, like he wouldn't believe. And that old couple that dad bought the land from, named Bell and Al, they look and it looked like they just stepped off Norman Rockwell calendar. It's really something else. They lived in that cabin even the whole time that we lived there. So but just a delightful old couple, you know. And it kind of makes sense now why they would build a cabin like that. Uh, there's nothing that's going to stop these animals if if they have it in mind to do it. You can run to your vehicle and close the door. But that's that's even that's laughable. Let alone run into a double wide mobile home. You feel safe there, you're you you can look from what I remember, there's no doubt you could go in your a midsized car or your standard pickup, and there's no doubt in your mind that this animal, especially the mail can just shove it right over.

56:45 That's that's not a problem. But say that you would see one of these things from a distance, and you'd just be justifiably so pretty freaked out because they're not supposed to exist or however. But they start, they move in such an odd way. That's when it makes it creepy. They're so fast and fluid and fluid and muscled up. All four of these creatures were that, like, how can something that large move like that? It's it's really something else. But I did find out a few things about them, Mike, their attention can't be split. They get they get frustrated really easy with that, at least a large female did. Do you have any relatives that are still alive? Can also Yeah. I talked to my oldest cousin about or a cousin of mine. The man who encouraged me to contact some buddy and try to work it out. He can. I think that he would be. I would think he's a very reasonable man, that he'd be more than happy to talk to you or anybody that of interest and he helped me put a lot of pieces together. Now, this is a very reasonable,

58:21 well adjusted man. He's not given to wild and supported statements exactly. Yeah. So he would have been in the same area time period with you. Well he was because Dad hired him as as an apprentice on the Trojan job site. So he had absolute firsthand knowledge of all this that occurred. But you know, he was nine years older than I was. Oh so that's perfect. I mean, what, he's seventeen, eighteen years old, totally aware of what's going on. Yeah, that's right, that's right. And to talk to him, yeah, yeah, well, we'll try to.

59:06 We'll try to get that together. Now, this, this same man lives I think it's about thirty miles away from me now here in Oregon, you know, and he's working the land, you know. And this is a very very decent, hard working, uh mature man that his feet are on the ground. He doesn't, you know, he's pretty straightforward, old school dude. So we'll try to we'll try to put that together. But I hear, I hear of all kinds of stories. It's it's kind of funny. You The Pacific Northwest is full of all kinds of bigfoot and sasquats stuff, and you I've even seen a sasquats motel one time going over the pass here and you got sigurehead and you're like, j Wes, you know you my wife grew up here in Oregon and everybody has some kind of experience.

1:00:15 We're more we're more willing to talk about it here in the piths every Northwest. But it's just it's just kind of laughable. We even got a company here in Oregon that has bigfoot beverage right on the side of their trucks and they distribute, you know, and you're like, oh, even how cheats? Do you mind if I ask you one more question? I'm trying to be respectful of your time. Oh, you can ask me anything you want. So logically, there was a time when you guys left the property. And it sounds like the sasquatch did not leave the property. So did you guys leave because the sasquatch, in a way, there was a situation where they won in quotation marks or was it you left because of a different reason.

1:01:04 No, it was an absolute Well, there was a couple of reasons, but we consider it I would consider it a draw now Trojan. Trojan was completed. Okay, it was completed, and Dad brought us up to the Tri Cities to work at Hanford. But also a federal agency came in and bought the land from Dad. And these people were no joke. They would always show up in two and three deep. They were very cold and distant and aloof people, very analytical. They weren't warm and close. These were very These were some serious ombres. And yeah, they they you know, he sold the land to the Fed gov. And you got you just gotta wonder, You're like, wait a minute, while would the federal government want a bunch of land that's just been cleared of timber, you know, and it's all residential up there. It's it's all residential. So hopefully in time, with the help of my cousin, we'll try to you know, nail that down. But he promised me he wouldn't bug me about this until he's going to give me some time to you know, think it through.

1:02:36 And all it's really done was just make me angry because of what it had done to our family. I can't imagine living through four years of of that. That's that's absolutely incredible. Thankful that you reached out to me out of out of nowhere. He came through a through a message on facebo. I'm so glad you did. This is absolutely incredible the story, but it must have been extremely hard to live through, so I'm thankful you. Well it can bring it up, well, you're very welcome. But it was it wasn't as hard for me because of my ten year old ignorance, but it helped having the dad that I had, because even if the situation was spooky or creepy or whatever, when Dad looked at you and said, don't worry, kid, everything's going to be okay, I got this. There was nothing else to talk about. Your dad was literally a superhero, you know, and when he said something, you believed it. When he tells you to do something, you did it. And that was It was literally that simple. Did you ever talk to him later about it? You know I did, and he would always start off with anger. He would use a lot of you know, a lot of profanity. Yeah. He said, you know, those damn those damn animals cost us more than than I thought

1:04:12 it was going to. And he said, we tried to kill every singler, every single mother love and one of them and nobody could really get a shot on him except for him that one night in under the light in the driveway, in the shoulder, right in the shoulder. That's right. Wow. And he was the only one that you know, And oh gosh, I wish he would have, you know, dropped it right, i'd been in there. But knowing what I know now about rifles, firearms, game, et cetera, that rifle wasn't big enough. I can assure you of that. It was not big enough. And there's a bolt action thirty out six leather. Right, you dropped elk with that thing. You're not gonna it just wasn't big enough. It wasn't a big enough gun. Wasn't a big enough round to drop this animal? No way. I don't know what you're going to have to have, but it better be at least fifty cow I think i'm talking to. If you had, if you guys had dropped one, that probably would have been the worst decision you ever would have made in your lives. I don't want to think about in the situations like that.

1:05:36 You know that you're going to have to deal with the other ones if you take one down. Yes, that would make sense. Yeah, that man that could have gotten real dice you really quick. Well, my cousin had said something that was kind of odd. I didn't get it at first. He said, you know, I think those these things are vengeful. Wait, like like big cats. He said, big cats are are vengeful creatures. And I didn't, you know, I had no I'm like, what whatever, dude, you know kind of in my mind because yeah, I think these these things they gotta they got a mean streak in him, Like, you know, you got me today, but you know what, I'm going to be back here in about seventy two hours in your toast.

1:06:29 Oh yeah, And I just said, yeah, okay, you know sure whatever. Of course that was in the initial conversation with him. So I'll contact him and maybe we can get him to talk to you and he gets more clarity and more information. Absolutely, if you could hold on for a few minutes off air, but wait, thank you so much again for reaching out to me. This has been an awesome chat, and I think that there's going to be some interesting things that come out of this. But thank you so much for chatting to night Wade. Well, I hope that you're welcome. I hope that I can help somebody out there that's maybe struggling with the same thing you know, and some useful information like don't go don't go running in the woods, look optimizing exactly and if listeners are dealing with situations like this, please reach out to me as well. Email big for Society at gmail dot com and I'd love to talk to you about the situation that you're dealing with them. Hopefully we can figure some things out. But thank you so much. Will You're very very welcome. You're a big for Society.

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