I Want These Creatures off my Property, Any Way You Can.

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And Dad had hired a company to
come in and start cutting down trees that

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were enormous within themselves there. You
know, the kind of logs you'd only

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be able to put two or three
on a logging car. And that's when

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things changed quite a bit. They
would just come out and stand there,

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away from the tree line by a
few feet. They were quite unafraid,

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all four of them. They would
stand most of the time motionless. They

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had no fear of us whatsoever,
at least to us, the family,

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the everybody was hassled. Hi.
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too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show,

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all right, Big Society. I've
got the privilege of talking to Wade

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tonight. He has contacted me from
a great state of Oregon. How's it

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going tonight, Wade? It's going
very well, thank you very much.

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Awesome. And so you reached out
and you're saying how you you would like

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to provide some information hopefully it would
be able to help listeners about the time

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that you had lived And is it
okay if I say the area where you

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had lived in Oregon? Absolutely?
Okay. So you had lived in Renier,

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Oregon, and you had some really
interesting interactions that sound like with sasquatch

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in that area. So I'm just
going to let you go ahead and share

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what you had experienced. Okay,
that' that'd be great. Well, we

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came to Rainier, Oregan from southern
California. As my dad was a pipe

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fitter. He was hired onto the
Trojan E. Good Plant as it was

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being built. And I am one
of many kids and boys and girls,

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and I was the youngest, and
Dad bought this land. And when we

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first got there, there was we
moved into this just horrible a single wide

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trailer until we can get a brand
new one there. And right off the

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bat, some very odd things were
occurring. We thought it was just the

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neighbors coming over, but it wasn't
to be. To be blunt, these

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animals or whatever they are, whatever
you choose to call them, there is

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real as the vehicles driving down the
road. That being said, they had

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a nasty habit at first, just
looking through our windows and scaring mostly all

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my sisters, all the girls and
my mother, and they would scream and

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run from the room, and Dad
would always run out the door, and

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he wouldn't hardly ever see anything,
but he would hear loud footsteps as if

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you were dragging a engine block through
the woods, so to speak. We

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all started to get pretty good looks
at him here and there, and in

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the daytime and a nighttime, and
it was obvious as we cleaned the single

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wide up the outside of it,
that these animals were pounding on this trailer,

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and it was they was just pounded, and we slowly understood what was

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what was occurring. Now. They
didn't do anything aggressive at first. They

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were just there. They were just
curious of what was going on. It

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was obvious to a plowboy that nobody
had lived in this trailer for quite some

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time, years possibly, so we
knew that there was four. We knew

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there was four because we all seen
all four of them at the same time

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many times, mostly in the daytime. There was obviously a large annual excuse

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a cliche. There was a large
male, yeah, well saying large as

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kind of a understatement. There was
a smaller female. She was more boxy,

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chubby, kind of shaped, and
then two younger ones that were almost

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identical. One was a little brown, one was a little cinnamon read and

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they were very almost identical in height. So they're mom and dad had to

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rationalize this. They were lying to
us children. They had to become professional

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liars to their children by saying,
oh, these things are just like monkeys.

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They're monkeys because we came from California
and we would often go to the

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San Diego Zoo, you know,
once a year kind of thing, and

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so because they they did not want
their children frightened. So we thought,

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okay, they're monkeys, so we
wouldn't be afraid. So in time we

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had a new double wide put in
above where we were at and cleared off

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a bunch of land, and Dad
had hired a company to come in and

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start cutting down trees that were enormous
within themselves there, you know, the

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kind of logs you'd only be able
to put two or three on a logging

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car. And that's when things changed
quite a bit. They would just come

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out and stand there, away from
the tree line by a few feet.

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They were quite unafraid, all four
of them. They would stand most of

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the time motionless. They had no
fear of us whatsoever, at least to

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us, the family, the everybody. He was hassled. And when I

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see, when I say everybody,
I want to let me qualify that the

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timber followers that Dad hired, they
were being hassled and they were being scared

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off by these things. The people
that we bought the land from a very

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elderly couple named Belle and how they
still lived on the property and old shack.

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They were being harassed and so slowly, over months and months things would

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uptick. So what Dad thought he
would do is let people at the time

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who was working around him. He
would let the men live in the single

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wide that we did staying there for
for one reason, Dad said, I'm

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not going to charge you any money
to stay there, because at the time

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it was super hard to find a
place to live there. These things were

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on the property. You'd make a
reasonable effort to air them out in any

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way that you see fit and you're
good, and so they did. I

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was always instructed to stay away from
them, and it just got really bad,

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especially for the girls. For some
reason, the male and female they

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were just they they couldn't they were
It's like their curiosity got the best of

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them. And the girls of course
would use high pitched voices because we were

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young and the girls we're just frightened
absolutely everything. My older brother, he

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was the oldest and I was the
youngest. We were told things a little

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bit differently. Dad of course,
being this five foot tall pipe fitter that

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resembled Yosemite. Sam also a marine
in the Korean War era was no joke.

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You didn't mess with this guy,
and you're not gonna tell him what

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to do, you know, but
a very decent man, and he'd look

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at my brother and I and say, these things are a threat. I

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don't want you to grab a rifle
and go after them, because that's what

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they probably want. And we never
did. But the men in the trailer

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started to seek these things out to
fulfill their obligation, so to speak,

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and it just got worse. They
kind of I think that was kind of

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a mistake on Dad's part. So
you know, this is this is a

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span over four years at least it
was for my brother, my dad,

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and myself. Now after two years, all my sisters, including my mother

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who was a heart patient, and
not to be startled, they had had

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enough. They're always these were not
the girls that we remember when we moved

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there. There. They could never
get any sleep. They're always scared.

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They they they changed, and Dad
was. Dad was of course concerned more

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than the concern. He was,
you know, scared for all the girls.

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Every once in a while, you
know, one of the girls or

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both of the girls are all four
of them for that fact would run in

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the house screaming, and you know, and that's not good. And the

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nerves would be high for a couple
of days, but then a few days

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later something else would happen the girls
would get scared again. So and this

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went on for a couple of years
and Dad finally sent the girls away to

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Kennewick, Washington. And the day
after Dad had sent the girls away,

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he got the men from the trailer
down there and us two boys and informed

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everybody, the girls are gone.
I want these things aired out. You

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know, all all bets are off. So it's funny people think, oh,

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just turn on all your lights and
and they'll go away. That's that's

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that's not exactly true. They don't
care about the light. They don't care

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because often you would see them in
a light like an old farm light in

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your driveway that you would have,
and they'd be standing just a few feet

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away from it, either staring at
the house most of the time, or

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off at one of the other animals
creatures. So that's not you know,

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people think terminal lights and they'll go
Now they know they're not going to go

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away. They're not afraid. So
they tried a lot of different things to

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actually lure these animals in, and
not a darn thing worked to lure than

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him. They try to bait him
or whatever. They just wanted to get

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a shot at them. And well, let me describe the animals. The

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large male, I remember this boiler
maker. He was a boiler maker,

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and these are all savvy men.
He had said the male was at least

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ten feet tall and a little under
a thousand pounds, and he never qualified

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how he knew that. But you
look at these group of men, they

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knew that they were. These were
old school, very tough, all go,

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no stop hunting, almost year around
kind of men. And the female

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was probably probably about eight feet tall
and a little bit lighter, but just

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there there. It's my opinion that
when people go in this shock, they

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think that, you know, they
could see when it's no big deal,

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but they're not ready to see how
enormous these creatures, these animals actually are,

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and that's what stops people in their
tracks. We'll be back with more

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Bigfoot Society after these words from our
sponsors. I think it's something inherent in

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all of us that when we either
see something that large and that's not supposed

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to exist, that it. You
know, it scares us into to act

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out or just to shut down and
not move. But anyways, the two

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smaller ones, I believe it probably
their children. They were at least eight

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feet tall at the very least,
and but they were they were very very

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fast, and they would run every
once in a while. They would run,

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but they wouldn't uh. It's it's
kind of hard to describe. They

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would lean forward a little bit,
but their hand their arms wouldn't like pump

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back and forth like like ours would. They're they're they're almost completely still.

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So it's a little off putting if
you don't it almost looks a little cartoonish.

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Yeah, it's almost a little cartoonish. So about two months after that

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had sent the girls away to Washington
State, the large male was standing uh,

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directly underneath the light on a water
well pump house. And we had

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just put that thing in and built
it. And these animals had had a

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nasty habit of not taking things,
but they would they would pummel things.

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They would beat it up, whatever
it was, they would just pummel it

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into the ground. It was you
know, who could guess the behavior of

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such animals, But that's what they
did it just it was really infuriating to

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all of us. It made no
sense. Even a Tonka truck, a

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Tonka truck that I left out,
it was just absolutely smashed, like you

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literally ran it over by the car. And but there's no mistake. You

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know, with the footprints around this
tonk on the ground, you can clearly

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see what what the what had happened. So but anyways, the large male,

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he never had a facial expression,
never, not once. Everything on

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his face was h It's like extravagated, like his his eyes, his nose,

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his lips, like you could put
both your fists in his mouth and

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still have room. He was kind
of like him, with all due respect,

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he looked like he had Down syndrome, verbatim. He's you'd look at

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this animal and jes say, ah, he has Down syndrome. And the

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reason why I can say that because
they would put their faces right up to

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the window. There's there's no mystery. Their eyes would move very quickly and

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you would just see little little shards
of white on the sides of their eyes

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when they would move left and right
or up or down. And the female

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looked like just like a huge mouth
person all the same body parts, of

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course, but she was expressive.
Her eyebrows would move up and down quite

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a lot. I was always surprised
at how you could like see the her

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pink nostrils. Really, it's just
like the brightest pink within her nostrils that

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you could always see. And the
two smaller ones that were almost identical,

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they were, well, they kind
of look like Bonobo's. It's a certain

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type of monkey. So we tried
to keep an eye on these things,

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what time they would would come and
go, the noises we would hear,

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and how they behaved. And we
knew always that they would leave in the

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wintertime, and they always would when
the snow hit. They were they were

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gone. I don't know why,
but I don't know why I'd be guessing,

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but they would do things that we're
now thinking about it now is the

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most god awful creepy things that like, between the new house and there was

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a very old barn there in that
we had well over a century old,

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very large. They would crawl clearly
on their bellies, there's no other way,

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you know, to describe it.
Between the barn and the house and

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was about three foot tall grass,
and they'd leave a swath in this grass

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easily eight nine ten ft wide.
It's just and they would just be an

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arking crawl. And I do remember
distinctly standing there with Dad and my older

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brother, and my older brother exclaiming
with his hands up in the air,

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going, Dad, I don't know
what they tell you. They're crawling.

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They're crawling, you know, through
the grass, you know. And even

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though the grass wasn't very tall,
and you would think, Okay, how

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can such a large animal crawl only
through three feet of grass and not be

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seen? And it's just absolutely creepy. They would sound completely different in two

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different ways. They would if they
were at it, like a distance,

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they would howl nothing else sounds like
that. They were in the very large

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loud calls. But when they were
close it would be like like if you

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recorded somebody mumbling but played it backwards. If that's when you it's like they

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would they would mumble for lack of
final words to each other. So they

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let me get back to large male
here. The about a month and a

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half after the girls were sent to
the Try Cities in Washington, they were

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the large mail was standing in the
light by the pump house and his shoulder

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there were well above the pump house
roof, which was in your standard feet

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roof. And Dad was so angered
by the hubrist of this creature that he

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went to the guncase yet again and
he pulled out his rifle. And this

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was and I still got that rifle. Actually it's a thirty out six Weatherbee.

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And he was so irritated at the
time he didn't want to run all

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the way to the end of the
trailer. Excuse me to open the door

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and shoot at this thing. He
slid the one of the two windows on

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this big window on the front and
shoved the rifle through the screen and shot

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at this animal. Now, Dean
and I were standing there in the middle

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part of the unopenable window, and
you can you can see, you know

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what it's like when that when a
bullet will hit an animal like that.

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You see lots of dust and fur
and the shock on the body as a

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bullet hits. Now, Dad hit
it in the left shoulder, and I

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don't know where he was aiming,
but I'm telling you, this animal,

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as big as it was is,
would turn around and got out of the

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out of our view, which is
maybe thirty feet to the tree line,

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and out of that light fasted before
the fur that came off the animal hit

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the ground, and you can't it's
hard to articulate how fast these these animals

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are capable of moving, but they
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not too far after that they started
their behavior changed a little bit. So

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what they would do is that they
would step out of the tree line a

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little bit. They would make a
left or a ride in this big circle.

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I mean we're talking maybe four acres
cleared off in the trailer right in

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the center, and they would run
along the the tree line like you see

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some people in the yard where that
dog has been in that yard for years

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and it's got you know, this
trail just completely worn down. It had

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that look, but this was maybe
four feet wide and it was just dust.

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There was nothing growing on the circle. So it would that's kind of

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humans, but it's not. It's
a little unsettling. Everything about it is

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absolutely unsettling. So what what I
understand now is that they had a problem

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with a few things. They had
a problem with the color black. And

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I'm just going to go ahead and
say this. At the time, Mom

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had two cars. She had a
big Ford van with lots of windows and

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bench seats for kids, and it
was a light green. But mom.

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Dad also bought mom a big,
huge honest like the nineteen seventies and Lincoln

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Continental, and they would run into
that thing if from it could be just

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a little after desk, and they
would literally run into it. It was

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odd. I can't explain why.
I can't explain why. I don't know,

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but I went against my dad's wishes
and I was I wasn't messing with

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these animals, but I wanted to
try something. And what I did is

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that, Okay, the reason why
I did. They have a problem with

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splitting their attention, as if they
can only pay attention to one thing at

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a time. And what I did
is I hung a pop can from a

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fishing wire over a branch just barely
inside the woodline. And I said that

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the fishing line all the way back
to the porch of the house. And

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it was up there for about two
weeks until I finally had the nerve to

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jiggle the can when I would see
one. This was the female and I

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could see her even though she was
just a few feet in the tree line.

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She would sway just a little bit
just I seen her and she wasn't

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aggressive, but she's seen me,
and she knew I could see her.

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And I walked over to the edge
of the patio and I started jiggling that

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fish line and as if as if
you were teasing an animal. They became

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tormented or frustrated that she did not
want to take her eyes off of me,

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especially after I jumped off the patio
and started pulling the string again.

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But she could hear what was going
on about thirty feet away from her,

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and it's the only time I've really
seen her neck really moved a little bit

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independently of her Justice the enormous,
blocky body, and she became frustrated and

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started like crying, like justice,
high pitched kind of frustrated cry. So

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I was just a knucklehead kid at
the time. I knew nothing. I

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just do nothing. But I did
this. And it lasted for about which

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seemed like an eternity, but it
was only just a few minutes. And

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I didn't even have the guts to
go retrieve the can after she turned and

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walked away. But we did see
the mail that Dad shot twice after that,

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and but this wasn't a terribly consistent
thing with these four we'll be back

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an instant, maybe once a month, sometimes twice a month, but it

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spread over almost four years until Trojan
the nuclear plant actually opened. And we're

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talking to the late seventies here,
and but Dad had a very hard time

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with the people around him, the
neighbors. There was two houses across the

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street from us. They never came
out at nighttime. I knew that they

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were angry with Mom and Dad for
cutting down the lumber for some reason.

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And I think that they already knew
that these animals were around. And here

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comes my dad mucking everything up.
You know, you're you know, you're

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stirring the pot, and you're making
trouble for all of us. There was

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people that would show up and give
my dad a hard time. They all

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the way from the Department of Interior. I think I'm trying to remember the

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logo on the side of that vehicle. But there was a man in a

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white shirt with pins in his pocket
and heavy black glasses and black slacks,

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and he was also with another man
who was very large, man, very

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gruff, very tall, and they
were telling Dad what not to do.

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And I didn't hear them very well, but it definitely heard Dad, and

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he said, you're not gonna tell
me what to do. Of course,

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Dad used a lot of colorful metaphors, and he goes, I know what

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I'm shooting at. I've had it. If you don't like it, why

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don't you come up here and stay, Stay a couple of nights and see

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how you feel. You're not going
to tell me what to do on my

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land, And if you don't like
it, then tough. You know,

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the police and game boardings would be
there at least once every two months,

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and that was a little bit more
cordial, calm conversations. But everybody knew

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up on that land. And the
land sat a couple of miles up a

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road called near City in Rainier,
Oregon, and it was just passed at

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a quarter mile past a cemetery that
is a private member only cemetery. I'm

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trying to I don't remember what the
membership is on the right. And everybody

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knew without exception that these animals were
up there, without exception. So I

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understand my dad's motivation that he wanted
these animals gone. He Dad bought the

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land to harvest the lumber. But
these animals were making it hard on everybody

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up there from to just absolutely everybody, So it would be financially ruinous for

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us to leave, even though Dad
was still working as a pipe fitter at

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Trojan. So, like I said, these these are not mythical creatures.

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They're they're absolutely blood and bone.
I think that they're a primate, but

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I think they're just more than just
a primate. They're they're more whatever that

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is. But whatever that is,
I don't know. I think that you

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would be a fool, fool,
hardy to jump in the woods, ignorant

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of a lot to go look for
these things if you think you know where

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they are. There's no part of
that equation where that will turn out a

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positive for you. And I want
to qualify that everybody knows, even a

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plowboy would understand. If you don't
want to be seen in the woods,

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all you have to do is standstill
for the most part. But they have

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the ability to move so quickly that
I'm telling you, because I hunt every

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once in a while, you're not
going to be able to draw a beat

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on these animals. You're not going
to be able to lead your shot.

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If you get a clear shot.
I think if they let if they let

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you see them, they've either either
made a mistake or they want you to

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see them, and you're in a
faithful of trouble. But for some reason,

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these animals, they were just absolutely
fascinated with us kids. They did.

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They weren't aggressive towards us, They
would just observe us, for lack

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of final words, but they were
aggressive to everybody else without exception. The

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even the men coming up that drilled
the new well up there, their equipment

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was thrown around. They seen him. They were frightened. Now and I

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want to prove that even the men
that he hired to drill the well were

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frightened. On the second to the
last day before they hit water, Dad

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and I were coming up the hill
on a Saturday afternoon and had deep Forest

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Green Company truck he had, and
they were coming down in their trucks and

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they just said, hey, look, Dean, we've had enough. You've

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got to you've got to get rid
of these things were done and he you

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know, of course, they were
exchanging some colorful of for us, and

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he goes, all right, you
know, I'll put the men right on

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the land while you're working as much
as I can, and we'll make sure

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everything is okay. And and they
came back the next day and they hit

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water and then that was it.
But they they harassed everybody, especially the

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the lumberjacks, all the men that
went up there to cut down all those

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trees, and not just a little
bit of trees, but it took at

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least three years to cut down and
process all these trees, which was good

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for us. That's why we bought
the land. But they never harmed us

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kids. They never harmed us.
They, like I said, their curiosity

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just get the best of them.
I didn't know a lot of the problems

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in my family, while there were
so many problems with my siblings, regardless

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of their their education, but they
were still traumatized from when they were young.

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And until an older cousin convinced me
and says, hey, you gotta

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get this off your chest, and
I also want you to understand why so

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many things happened the way they happened. I remembered a lot, but he

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helped me a lot to put it
in a straight line to where I said,

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Ah, got it. I understand
now. So now to be sure

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the property still exists, that old
double wide is still there. The barn

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is gone, but there are two
old bachelors that live in that place,

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and I have no doubt that they're
having trouble. So I rode by there,

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I think about a year and a
half ago now, and I go

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on motorcycle rides and I couldn't help
but stop in and see the place,

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and it brought back a lot of
memories, and not a lot of them

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good. So if you if they
don't want you to see them, you're

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not going to see them. If
they want to, if they want to

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take you, they're just they're just
going to take you. And there's there's

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no choice about it. They're they're
too fast, and they're too quiet.

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There wasn't any really old to them. I heard somebody say once, I

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never smelled anything bad with these animals. I think there's a heck of a

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lot of them. There would have
to be just like any breeding, you

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know, animal, they'd have to
be enough of them around it. But

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if you hear somebody else talk about
them, it's hard to know what to

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believe or not to believe. I'd
like to I would like to hope that

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they were just like a dog,
a simple creature, some intuitive and some

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kind of smart. You can teach
tricks, but they're not. They're more

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than just a primate because they're emotional. They do emotional things. They act

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out, they'll they throw fits,
they're it's hard to describe, but they're

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they're thinking about it now how they
were acting. Sometimes it's they're clearly they're

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emotional creatures, and that's scary within
itself. If they were just a simple

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animal like a deer or an elk
or a pig. But they're they're not.

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I think that they're considerably smarter than
we get them credit for. So

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that's just a that's just about it. Wade, can can I ask you

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some questions? Oh? Please?
Do have you shared this with anyone else?

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Yeah? I talked to one man
who was a very decent man,

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and it kind of helped me a
lot inside Since then too, it kind

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of made me angry because it affected
my family severely. And only in the

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last several years that I realized that
it really affected our family and what happened

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to us and how it shaped our
lives. But I was so young at

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the time I couldn't grasp it.
Right, So this is just a random

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individual that you had talked to to
try to work through some emotions you were

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having. Well, no, this
person was suggested to me and who's had

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similar experiences. I thought, well, I'll talk to him and try to

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you know, put it in a
linear way that that kind of makes sense.

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And and it was. It made
me happy, but it also made

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me angry for what these animals did. And they were just being themselves.

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That's they're doing what they're doing.
They I don't think they were evil,

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but they're just they're just saying,
hey, we're we're here too, and

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we're gonna do what we're gonna do. Wow. So it wasn't a guy.

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Was it a guy with another podcast? Because if it was, I

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want to listen to that one too. Yeah, it was. What was

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a very decent man. Okay,
I liked them. His name was West

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Grammer. Oh yes, okay,
Sasquas Chronicles cool. I had a feeling

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that wait, this is this is
wild, like this is a wild wild

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story. Did they ever try to
get inside the houses or the trailers on

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the property. No, they never
did. But what they what they did

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when they would like act out like
negative behaviors like you would get from a

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child, They would, they would
they would destroy things. They At first

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Dad put in a a white pick
offense. It was a joke. He

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always promised my mommy would put it
in, and by god, he did,

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and it was a nice one.
And it would stomp it and not

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just knock it down. They would
just they would just stomp back and forth

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on this thing. After they knocked
it down, they would try to tear

409
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the barn up, tear branches.
Obviously, they would just like property damage,

410
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:45.119
you know, it was it was
illogical. It just to you know,

411
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:53.079
my young mind at the time just
couldn't process that. Did you have

412
00:44:53.400 --> 00:45:00.440
any thing from that time period that
could be used as evidence of these creatures

413
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:15.519
besides your memories other than absolutely everybody
else's memories and experiences. Well, I'll

414
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.960
tell you what I'll tell you.
Well, I mean, as there were

415
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.320
so many people involved and absolutely everybody
knew every every police officer, every game

416
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:30.079
warden, we would There used to
be a restaurant downtown Rainier. It looks

417
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:36.000
like a Thomas Kincaid painting right at
the time, in the late seventies,

418
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:45.360
there was a pizza parlor called Mister
Ben. Mister Ben Jane goes we'll be

419
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:53.519
back with more Bigfoot society after these
words from our sponsors. And we would

420
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:59.519
walk in there as a family and
we were all I was standing by this

421
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:04.960
music box, and there was another
family there, and there was a little

422
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.159
girl in there that would they she
was pointing, of course, their children.

423
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.480
She goes, look, mom,
mama, it's the monkey family.

424
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:20.400
It's the Monkey family. And everybody
in that town knew what was occurring,

425
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:29.079
the two bachelors that still lived there
as of like a year and a half

426
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:34.920
ago. I think as soon as
I told him my name, my whole

427
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:40.719
name, you could see of Paul
just rest on these people like, uh,

428
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:50.840
it's one of you, and they
knew right away because there was so

429
00:46:50.960 --> 00:47:00.800
much history there in that town when
all of that occurred. I think I

430
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:06.960
think people kind of take these things
for granted, that the fact that somebody

431
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:12.800
would grab the rifle and go whether
they whether they bang on trees, that's

432
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.679
right, bang on trees and try
to call one of these things in your

433
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:23.280
your toast, just to you you're
you're not going to make it. So

434
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:32.800
I haven't looked into tracking these things
down too much or what they really are

435
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:39.079
too much. I'm still angry in
my mind and in my heart of what

436
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:47.360
what our family had had to live
with over those uh four years. And

437
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:54.960
this isn't you're saying mid to late
seventies. Yeah, Trojan was finally done

438
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.920
and Dad just went to the next
nuclear plan, which was in the Tri

439
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:12.639
Cities. It was, it was, it was not it was. I

440
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.199
think that the worst part about it
is is not just those animals. It

441
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:22.400
wasn't just those animals. It was
it was the social things after the fact.

442
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:28.880
When my older cousin who was the
same age as my brother, my

443
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.440
brother's the oldest on the youngest,
he looked at me and he was the

444
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:36.519
one that encouraged me to talk to
Wes. He goes, ever wondered why

445
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.320
you guys by Christmas so time so
much? And I'm like, no,

446
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:43.480
I really don't know, because you
know, I really put on the dog

447
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.519
lots of decorations, He goes,
because those animals would always leave in the

448
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:52.679
wintertime and you guys could relax.
My copy I'll be dipped in chocolate.

449
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.119
And I had no idea. It
didn't really dawn on me, you know,

450
00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:00.280
I thought, well, okay,
right, okay, okay at it.

451
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:08.559
And when we finally got up to
Richland, Washington, the Tri Cities.

452
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.519
Those girls, you know, there
were nothing like I remembered. And

453
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:23.000
they all went on to have fantastic
educations, fantastic for all intensive purposes,

454
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:28.840
fantastic lives, but all their lives
were just well, they were kind of

455
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.760
train wrecks because they never they had
such a hard time growing up in that

456
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:37.000
place. At least they were there
for two and a half years. And

457
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:43.159
and my brother too, I mean
the very next day after he turned eighteen,

458
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.039
he joined the Navy, and he
was gone. He didn't want to

459
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:51.199
have And of course there's you know, me, Wade, and of course

460
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.480
nobody's going to stop and explain stuff
to me because I was just that,

461
00:49:53.800 --> 00:50:00.800
you know kid. How old were
you during that time? Ten? Wow?

462
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:05.920
Dude? Oh man, I wasn't. I wasn't super young, but

463
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:12.440
I was old enough I understood a
lot what was going on. There was

464
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.480
a man that worked, He was
a pipe fitter two and I always wondered

465
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:22.639
why Dad brought this one man with
him wherever he went. And he was

466
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:27.960
this large black man, but a
sweetheart of a man. And his name

467
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.480
was Sippy. I don't know if
that's his real name or not. But

468
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:37.639
that's what everybody called him. And
Sippy did something that he said worked real

469
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:43.360
good. The fact that one of
these creatures even walked by him and hit

470
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:45.960
the butt of his rifle. But
it was so close with slag, but

471
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:52.920
he was so close to the house, and it was he was facing the

472
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.079
house. Sippy was with his gun, he couldn't shoot. But what Sippy

473
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.880
would do would get a bunch of
trash bags, this whole black trash bags

474
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:07.519
and tape them together and he would
hide under the trash bag just in the

475
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:13.400
yard waiting for one of these animals
to to show up. So he couldn't

476
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:17.320
give him the business. Now,
Dad wasn't a fool. Dad promised these

477
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:24.480
men a pretty good cash incentive if
they were able to get one on the

478
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:35.440
ground. So this particular man named
Sippy did his dead level best until Dad

479
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:40.039
died of cancer. Sorry, well
you know he worked on all those nuclear

480
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:47.760
plants. That's where it's found you. Wherever Dad went, like a month

481
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.559
later, Sippy would show up and
Sippy. Dad only worked for three different

482
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:59.039
companies his whole life, and he
brought Sippy with him wherever he went.

483
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:04.280
So whatever it's Sippy did, as
they would say, in a vernacular sippy

484
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:14.119
did dad is solid somewhere that I'm
unaware of. So I have no doubt

485
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:21.320
that those animals of some type.
I don't know how long they live.

486
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.920
There's no reason for them to go
anywhere. There's every possible resource and animal

487
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.000
could one. I mean you think, gee, was you got brown bears

488
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.639
living in there? Well, I'm
sure you could throw a big primate and

489
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:40.199
there, what's you know? So
I have no doubt there they're still there.

490
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:45.239
Wait, how far out in the
woods were you guys living from the

491
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.079
town of Rainier, Like, was
it quite a drag drive out into the

492
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.599
woods? No? No, no, not at all. We're talking up.

493
00:52:52.960 --> 00:53:00.920
You leave downtown Rainier proper, and
you go through maybe half a dozen

494
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:07.639
blocks of the small town hilly,
very hilly roads, and there's a very

495
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.960
large school at the bottom of the
hill. I think it was some kind

496
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.079
of academy. Maybe I'm not sure. And you take a sharp ride around

497
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:22.639
that and that road is called near
City Road, and you're only going to

498
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:28.760
go up that road maybe a mile
and small change if that. And it's

499
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.239
a one long straight shot up this
road, not a lot of curves,

500
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:39.280
So it was close. It's not
far away at all. To prove I'm

501
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:45.960
not a complete idiot. A few
months ago I Google map that I just

502
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.840
looked on Google Maps. The cemetery
is still there, and it's and it's

503
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.599
all just there. And even since
the short time that I rode through there

504
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:58.320
on a motorcycle, they built a
couple of more houses here and there.

505
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:06.440
But my suggestion is, if you
desire to find one of these animals,

506
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:15.199
it's real simple. You go up
that hill and between that old cemetery it

507
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.320
was some odd members only cemetery,
I don't know which one it was,

508
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:23.679
and there's a power line road there. You just hang out around there and

509
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:30.559
they'll be right along because they light
the power line road for whatever reason.

510
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:37.320
Why you could is sure as the
sun comes up every morning, you could

511
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:44.920
always go down there and find tracks
on the power line road. Absolutely goodness,

512
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:51.840
I want to track down those bachelors
so bad. You know they're being

513
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:58.239
messed with probably to this day.
There's no test my mind. Right,

514
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.679
that's right now. The barn is. The barn is no longer there,

515
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:05.840
but it doesn't look like it just
fell down, and there's a pile of

516
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.760
old lumber. The barn is gone. There you know. There they took

517
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:13.480
all the lumber. But to the
lip where the barn was, there was

518
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:20.360
a short little alleyway cut little cut
through the woods, and there's an old

519
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:25.000
cabin that's built. I'm telling you
what, till this day, I've never

520
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:30.599
seen anything like it. The cabin
is built out of like sixteen by sixteen

521
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:36.400
logs that have been hewned off pretty
good. It's just overbuilt, like he

522
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.639
wouldn't believe. And that old couple
that dad bought the land from, named

523
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:46.719
Bell and Al, they look and
it looked like they just stepped off Norman

524
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.599
Rockwell calendar. It's really something else. They lived in that cabin even the

525
00:55:52.599 --> 00:56:00.519
whole time that we lived there.
So but just a delightful old couple,

526
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:06.760
you know. And it kind of
makes sense now why they would build a

527
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:14.079
cabin like that. Uh, there's
nothing that's going to stop these animals if

528
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.760
if they have it in mind to
do it. You can run to your

529
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:24.440
vehicle and close the door. But
that's that's even that's laughable. Let alone

530
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:30.519
run into a double wide mobile home. You feel safe there, you're you

531
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:36.719
you can look from what I remember, there's no doubt you could go in

532
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:40.400
your a midsized car or your standard
pickup, and there's no doubt in your

533
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.480
mind that this animal, especially the
mail can just shove it right over.

534
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:52.119
That's that's not a problem. But
say that you would see one of these

535
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:57.840
things from a distance, and you'd
just be justifiably so pretty freaked out because

536
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:04.679
they're not supposed to exist or however. But they start, they move in

537
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:09.559
such an odd way. That's when
it makes it creepy. They're so fast

538
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:16.840
and fluid and fluid and muscled up. All four of these creatures were that,

539
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:25.239
like, how can something that large
move like that? It's it's really

540
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:29.679
something else. But I did find
out a few things about them, Mike,

541
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:35.239
their attention can't be split. They
get they get frustrated really easy with

542
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:42.760
that, at least a large female
did. Do you have any relatives that

543
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:51.920
are still alive? Can also Yeah. I talked to my oldest cousin about

544
00:57:52.800 --> 00:58:00.280
or a cousin of mine. The
man who encouraged me to contact some buddy

545
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:05.039
and try to work it out.
He can. I think that he would

546
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.000
be. I would think he's a
very reasonable man, that he'd be more

547
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:15.599
than happy to talk to you or
anybody that of interest and he helped me

548
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.880
put a lot of pieces together.
Now, this is a very reasonable,

549
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:27.719
well adjusted man. He's not given
to wild and supported statements exactly. Yeah.

550
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.719
So he would have been in the
same area time period with you.

551
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:42.159
Well he was because Dad hired him
as as an apprentice on the Trojan job

552
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:46.519
site. So he had absolute firsthand
knowledge of all this that occurred. But

553
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:51.960
you know, he was nine years
older than I was. Oh so that's

554
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.840
perfect. I mean, what,
he's seventeen, eighteen years old, totally

555
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:01.000
aware of what's going on. Yeah, that's right, that's right. And

556
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:06.079
to talk to him, yeah,
yeah, well, we'll try to.

557
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:12.000
We'll try to get that together.
Now, this, this same man lives

558
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.480
I think it's about thirty miles away
from me now here in Oregon, you

559
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.400
know, and he's working the land, you know. And this is a

560
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:29.599
very very decent, hard working,
uh mature man that his feet are on

561
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:37.119
the ground. He doesn't, you
know, he's pretty straightforward, old school

562
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:43.360
dude. So we'll try to we'll
try to put that together. But I

563
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.000
hear, I hear of all kinds
of stories. It's it's kind of funny.

564
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:52.400
You The Pacific Northwest is full of
all kinds of bigfoot and sasquats stuff,

565
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:58.079
and you I've even seen a sasquats
motel one time going over the pass

566
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:05.119
here and you got sigurehead and you're
like, j Wes, you know you

567
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:15.559
my wife grew up here in Oregon
and everybody has some kind of experience.

568
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.960
We're more we're more willing to talk
about it here in the piths every Northwest.

569
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:25.000
But it's just it's just kind of
laughable. We even got a company

570
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.320
here in Oregon that has bigfoot beverage
right on the side of their trucks and

571
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:34.519
they distribute, you know, and
you're like, oh, even how cheats?

572
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.119
Do you mind if I ask you
one more question? I'm trying to

573
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:42.239
be respectful of your time. Oh, you can ask me anything you want.

574
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:47.880
So logically, there was a time
when you guys left the property.

575
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.960
And it sounds like the sasquatch did
not leave the property. So did you

576
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:58.320
guys leave because the sasquatch, in
a way, there was a situation where

577
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.920
they won in quotation marks or was
it you left because of a different reason.

578
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:07.280
No, it was an absolute Well, there was a couple of reasons,

579
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:13.000
but we consider it I would consider
it a draw now Trojan. Trojan

580
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:19.800
was completed. Okay, it was
completed, and Dad brought us up to

581
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:29.079
the Tri Cities to work at Hanford. But also a federal agency came in

582
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:38.079
and bought the land from Dad.
And these people were no joke. They

583
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:49.280
would always show up in two and
three deep. They were very cold and

584
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:54.599
distant and aloof people, very analytical. They weren't warm and close. These

585
01:01:54.639 --> 01:02:04.320
were very These were some serious ombres. And yeah, they they you know,

586
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.079
he sold the land to the Fed
gov. And you got you just

587
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:12.039
gotta wonder, You're like, wait
a minute, while would the federal government

588
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.519
want a bunch of land that's just
been cleared of timber, you know,

589
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:21.679
and it's all residential up there.
It's it's all residential. So hopefully in

590
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:25.719
time, with the help of my
cousin, we'll try to you know,

591
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:31.280
nail that down. But he promised
me he wouldn't bug me about this until

592
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:34.840
he's going to give me some time
to you know, think it through.

593
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.960
And all it's really done was just
make me angry because of what it had

594
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:46.840
done to our family. I can't
imagine living through four years of of that.

595
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:54.360
That's that's absolutely incredible. Thankful that
you reached out to me out of

596
01:02:54.559 --> 01:03:00.599
out of nowhere. He came through
a through a message on facebo. I'm

597
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:06.960
so glad you did. This is
absolutely incredible the story, but it must

598
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:10.360
have been extremely hard to live through, so I'm thankful you. Well it

599
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:15.880
can bring it up, well,
you're very welcome. But it was it

600
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:22.920
wasn't as hard for me because of
my ten year old ignorance, but it

601
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:29.760
helped having the dad that I had, because even if the situation was spooky

602
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:34.320
or creepy or whatever, when Dad
looked at you and said, don't worry,

603
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.679
kid, everything's going to be okay, I got this. There was

604
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.559
nothing else to talk about. Your
dad was literally a superhero, you know,

605
01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:45.960
and when he said something, you
believed it. When he tells you

606
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.960
to do something, you did it. And that was It was literally that

607
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.519
simple. Did you ever talk to
him later about it? You know I

608
01:03:54.880 --> 01:04:00.800
did, and he would always start
off with anger. He would use a

609
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:03.679
lot of you know, a lot
of profanity. Yeah. He said,

610
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:12.239
you know, those damn those damn
animals cost us more than than I thought

611
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:17.599
it was going to. And he
said, we tried to kill every singler,

612
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:24.480
every single mother love and one of
them and nobody could really get a

613
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:29.719
shot on him except for him that
one night in under the light in the

614
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:35.679
driveway, in the shoulder, right
in the shoulder. That's right. Wow.

615
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:42.320
And he was the only one that
you know, And oh gosh,

616
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.159
I wish he would have, you
know, dropped it right, i'd been

617
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:50.440
in there. But knowing what I
know now about rifles, firearms, game,

618
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:57.079
et cetera, that rifle wasn't big
enough. I can assure you of

619
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.159
that. It was not big enough. And there's a bolt action thirty out

620
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:05.760
six leather. Right, you dropped
elk with that thing. You're not gonna

621
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:11.880
it just wasn't big enough. It
wasn't a big enough gun. Wasn't a

622
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:17.519
big enough round to drop this animal? No way. I don't know what

623
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.760
you're going to have to have,
but it better be at least fifty cow

624
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:28.039
I think i'm talking to. If
you had, if you guys had dropped

625
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:31.079
one, that probably would have been
the worst decision you ever would have made

626
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:36.599
in your lives. I don't want
to think about in the situations like that.

627
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:41.440
You know that you're going to have
to deal with the other ones if

628
01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:45.960
you take one down. Yes,
that would make sense. Yeah, that

629
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:51.320
man that could have gotten real dice
you really quick. Well, my cousin

630
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:57.079
had said something that was kind of
odd. I didn't get it at first.

631
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.920
He said, you know, I
think those these things are vengeful.

632
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:10.360
Wait, like like big cats.
He said, big cats are are vengeful

633
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.920
creatures. And I didn't, you
know, I had no I'm like,

634
01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:17.679
what whatever, dude, you know
kind of in my mind because yeah,

635
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:23.679
I think these these things they gotta
they got a mean streak in him,

636
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.320
Like, you know, you got
me today, but you know what,

637
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.280
I'm going to be back here in
about seventy two hours in your toast.

638
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:33.519
Oh yeah, And I just said, yeah, okay, you know sure

639
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:41.360
whatever. Of course that was in
the initial conversation with him. So I'll

640
01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:45.039
contact him and maybe we can get
him to talk to you and he gets

641
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:51.280
more clarity and more information. Absolutely, if you could hold on for a

642
01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:56.760
few minutes off air, but wait, thank you so much again for reaching

643
01:06:56.800 --> 01:07:00.199
out to me. This has been
an awesome chat, and I think that

644
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:06.320
there's going to be some interesting things
that come out of this. But thank

645
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:12.039
you so much for chatting to night
Wade. Well, I hope that you're

646
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:15.800
welcome. I hope that I can
help somebody out there that's maybe struggling with

647
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:21.920
the same thing you know, and
some useful information like don't go don't go

648
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:28.159
running in the woods, look optimizing
exactly and if listeners are dealing with situations

649
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:32.400
like this, please reach out to
me as well. Email big for Society

650
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:36.639
at gmail dot com and I'd love
to talk to you about the situation that

651
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:41.559
you're dealing with them. Hopefully we
can figure some things out. But thank

652
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.599
you so much. Will You're very
very welcome. You're a big for Society.

653
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:51.159
Article is to provide a platform for
those that have encountered Bigfoot to share

654
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:57.039
their encounter in a safe and respected
environment. But we need to hear your

655
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:01.800
story. If you've experienced something that
you can explain, please send me an

656
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:09.159
email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot
com. Then we can start the conversation.

657
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:14.079
I know a lot of you have
not shared your encounter at all.

658
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:18.880
It's been twenty years and it's time
that you get this off your chest and

659
01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:23.079
then you can get some well deserved
for rest because I know you haven't been

660
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:28.640
sleeping. I understand what you're going
through, and I appreciate every one of you listening