"I was Never the Same after What We Heard that Night!"

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I've taken far too much of your time

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so far, so let's get on
with the show. Park a lot and

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you know, two other cards just
pulled in in the years. I feel

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a little better. Somebody share,
yeah, I mean yeah, yeah.

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So for listeners, swamp Dog contacted
me earlier to him and his wife are

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out and it's west Side Park,
right, yes, sir, Yeah,

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And you'd sent me some pictures.
You had found two different tracks out there,

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and I had you go and retake
the photos again with a ruler tape

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measure next to them. It's fourteen
inch track eighteen inch track and in one

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of them, one of them especially, you can see that there are some

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toes in there. It's very interesting. Then you've got video of it too.

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I'm just going to have you share
what happened because I just saw the

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video and I just want to hear
from you what happened. It's pretty intense.

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It just happened. I mean,
well, I don't know when I

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close you back. And after the
last message about about the video, I'm

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taking a video of the foot tracks, and I was saying, I'm trying

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to document as much as I can
on video. Just some kids, I

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hear any more vote box or have
I actually seen anything. So I'm walking

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down the trail where, man,
I don't know, I'm all messed up

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here where the trail comes in.
I'm walking like I'm walking out the trail.

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You know what I'm saying. I
got the truck behind me. My

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wife's Tammy. She's in the truck
because you heard the vote box and she

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just jumped and she jumped in the
truck. And I'm talking and I'm videoing,

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and I'm pointing at where I heard
the wood knocks. You, I

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mean, like in the journal area
and all of a sudden, I hear

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something crash on the back of my
truck, and I turned around. I

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was so scared. Sorry, you
can demand. You can tell Tammy is

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is shooking up, and I can
totally understand that. Oh man, it's

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wild. But so I went back
to the truck and I was grew what

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was that? You know what I
mean that, She says she don't know

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something banged up against the back of
the truck. I look at the back

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of the truck and I got like
wood in the back of my truck.

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Matter of fact, is still in
back of my truck. I'm gonna go

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back character I'm gonna tell you how
the piece of wood I'm looking at right

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now is about. I don't I
still got it in the back of my

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truck. So I didn't get excited
or anything. I just stayed confident.

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But she was flipping out and I'm
trying to videotape the area that my back

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of my truck is, Jeff facing. I didn't see nothing. I didn't

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hear nothing, I asked Tammy.
I guess she heard footsteps or does she

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hear anything running in the back of
the woods. She didn't hear nothing.

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All she heard was a big bang, and I still got the wood.

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And I still got the wood in
back of my truck. And then when

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you detect me back and asked me
if I want to go back in there

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to measure, I'm like, I
really don't want through my wife's there,

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I'm not going back in there.
And I said, listen, you'll be

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all right. So we went back
in there. We didn't hear nothing.

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That's when I send you the other
pictures with the measuring tape. One print

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was fourteen inches when I was eighteen. It's a few things that I observed.

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The first thing I observed was when
I had called you back the first

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time, I asked you right away, hey, can I record? And

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you said no. That tells me
a lot. I mean, first off,

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that was thrown really hard at your
truck. You hear the bag?

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I mean that was yeah, yeah, and that's what I put her out.

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I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I got scared too, because

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I knew that was you know what
I mean. I was like, the

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heck was that? I mean,
you know? But the thing was when

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I went back on back of my
truck, and you mean, I paced

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my phone towards the woods. I
didn't see nothing. I hear nothing.

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You've seen the video all way to
the end, right, yeah, yeah,

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yeah. And also you're not you're
not facing the truck when you're taking

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the video and something is thrown at
the truck, so the like the angle,

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it wouldn't work. You know if
let's say, if I'm playing Devil's

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Advocate swamp Dog, right and I'm
saying, you know, let's say,

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well maybe swamp Dog through the the
stick at the track, it wouldn't have

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worked. The angle like, it
would not have because I've I've watched it

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more than a few times in the
short amount of times since I got it.

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Man, that's that's crazy. So
even let's say, man, i'd

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be careful of that area, swamp
Dog. Let's say, even if it

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isn't a big foot, you have
something or someone it chucked a huge stick.

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Yeah, I mean, you know
what I mean. I don't know,

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man, Like there's something going on
in there. Yeah, I don't

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know that. But the thing was
when I'm taking pictures at the foot Press,

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because I told Tammy, I said, I'm gonna send this to Jeremiah.

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Yeah, I heard the two wooden
knocks. Then that's about Tammy.

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She went into trucks. She goes, I want to part of this,

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you know, I mean so so
as she kept telling me in a hurry

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up, hurry up whatever. So
then I said, you know what,

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I'm gonna video take this. So
they mean I could document it more and

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and show the area and hopefully I
hear more wooden knocks or or even like

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me, I hear something running or
something. And as I'm walking up the

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trail right because I heard the woodlots
of that area, So you mean that's

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why I like, you a walking
that way. My wife's in the truck.

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And also I heard up bang.
I was like, what what the

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hell have you know? I mean, well, you mean I'm facing the

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area where I heard the woodlots and
something was thrombout giving at my truck from

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behind me. So yeah, I
don't know's filed. It's foiled. I'm

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oh yeah. I mean, like
I said, my hair are still sustanding,

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like on my arms, but like
I could feel my hair standing.

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This one here is she's she's scared
of death. She sus said she's not

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coming back here. Number never come
back here over again. I don't blame

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you, and I wouldn't. I
wouldn't force her for sure. You've been

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through a lot. That's very that's
a very scary situation that you're in,

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from what I could tell. Yeah, and I'm I'm really petrified. Just

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be careful if if you do go
back there. Okay, yeah, yeah,

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I'm I'm good. I'm good.
I'm I just I just startled the

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hell out I made because I didn't
see it coming, or you know what

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I'm trying to say. When I
heard that big bang, I'm like,

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what the hell was that? Super? I wonder, can you look at

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those sticks and just like look really
closely and see if maybe there's any hairs

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or anything on them? Yeah?
Yeah, I was just thinking, oh,

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I'm looking. Yeah, I'm gonna
look real good here. I'm gonna

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take these home with me anyway.
But oh absolutely yeah, because I'm leave

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in the trub, I don't want
to see Yeah, but no, I

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won't see nothing in one minute.
I'm I'm picking up the other piece right

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now. Yeah, I don't see
anything. No, all right, I

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don't prepare or got anything like that. It's such it such a wild I'm

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just glad you got your video because
you're trying to send you the video,

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and then like all three times it
says what does it say? Like I

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couldn't center something shit dropped box?
Oh yeah yeah, something like that.

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Yeah, but you got your vide
man be and so wow, be careful

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out there, swamp tig. Yeah, I'm I'm matters. It was.

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I'm in the parking lot right now. Okay, yeah, good good,

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I don't know. Yeah, I'm
just gonna take her home. Yeah,

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take care of her, take care
of her first. Yep. So all

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right, I appreciate you letting me
know the story. The story continues,

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and I'm actually talking to another gentleman, uh researcher in the pine barrens later

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on to get some other info about
this area. So keep an ear out

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for that swamp dog. You'll,
I think you'll like it. So yeah,

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yeah, if you want to sell
him that video, what is your

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researcher or what I mean, what
is it he is? Yeah? Yeah,

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yep, we'll set him that video
and the thing the pics too,

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and see what he thinks. And
then yeah, I don't know, ye

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know, and then you you mean, if you want to put this video

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on the channel, go right ahead, you know what I mean? Alright,

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so I have I have the okay
to use any of the stuff you

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said. Okay, cool, all
right, yes, people can see what

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he's going on actually going on back
absolutely, all right, all right,

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thank you brother, yep, keep
your safe, all right, thank you,

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bye bye bye, all right,
big for Society, You've got the

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privilege of talking to a bigfoot researcher
from southern New Jersey that reached out to

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me. His name is Jacob.
How's it going tonight, Jacob. I'm

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doing good, Jeremiah. Thank you
so much for letting me on the show.

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Absolutely. I was excited that you've
reached out to me. And there's

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some really cool places that we're going
to be going tonight from what you had

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told me a little bit through the
email. But you are you've reached out

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because you're very familiar with what swamp
Dog was talking about. Listeners remember these

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swamp Dog episodes. Actually, I
just talked to swamp Dog earlier. I'm

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going to put his phone his last
phone call at the beginning of this episode

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because well it'll be it'll be public
then listeners will already know. But I'll

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let you know Jacob real quick.
So that West Side Park that we were

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talking about. So he was there
earlier today and he's been checking out that

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park looking for bigfoot stuff. So
he had some photos of tracks that he

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sent over to me and gets it
gets a little weird because they're taking photos

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of the tracks, they hear Wood
Knox in the background in the in the

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park, right, and so he's
like, I've got to start to take

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video of this for Jeremiah because I
want to send it to him the video.

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As he's taking video of the tracks
and such, all of a sudden,

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there's a huge crash. These large
sticks are thrown in the back of

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his truck and his wife is just
is freaking out, understandably so since it's

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a massive crash. So I was
like then I was talking to him after.

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I was like, dude, you
probably should get out of there,

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at least, you know, if
your if your wife wants to and she

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was like, take me out of
here. I was like, you need

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to get her out of there,
you know, And then you make the

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call. But it's like, just
be careful this this area. It sounds

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pretty wild. But that's that's where
we're at right now with the story.

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You see, you know, Jacob, because I haven't released that part yet

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it just happened today. But is
there anything else? Uh, let's start

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with this, so tell me how
you got into your You know, you

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told me that you've been researching big
for for about ten years. I believe

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in southern New Jersey, but kind
of yeah, talked me into it.

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So yeah, sorry, I've been
pretty much researching big foot for a few

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years ever since I had a pretty
crazy experience a few years back with what

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I to what I believed to have
been more. We'll be back with more

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big Foot Society after these words from
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I've grown up in South Jersey my
entire life. I'm twenty six years old.

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I've pretty much lived ten minutes away
from Philadelphia, and i lived in

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Camby County, New Jersey. So
I'm right in the smack middle Dad between

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the river and the Pine barns.
So I'm within about a twenty five minute

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to thirty minute drive of the Pine
barons of New Jersey. Basically, I've

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grown up pretty much sporing all as
many areas in that general vicinity as possible.

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I was growing up, I would
always been like a huge fan of

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wildlife and snakes and all sorts of
like cool critters that you can find out

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in the trails. So I was
always out there doing stuff like that and

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and researching you know, wildlife and
all sorts of that. And I've always

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kind of had a thing for cryptids
and weird encounters and make UFOs and stuff

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because I remember as a little kid, I would go to the I'd be

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the kid in the paranormal section,
you know, you know, ten year

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old me looking around for some books
on Locknus, Monster, on big Foot,

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on on on Champ like. I
would go and I would digest these

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books. And New Jersey actually has
a book called, uh Weird New Jersey.

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It's a it's a it's a magazine
catalog. And usually you get a

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new copy, updated copy of the
Weird New Jersey magazines every couple of months.

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Every year. You would get like
a new updated version with new new

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stories in it, new new new
paragraphs of different types of things in New

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Jersey. So I would always die
in said. You would get your local

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legends, which would be like crazy
like famous people, like local celebrities.

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You would get your abandoned places.
You would get your you know, weird

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structures that people would have in their
in their yards, like big like like

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big like Effel towers or something in
your backyard. You would also have weird

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places. There's there's a place of
the More Jersey called the Gateway to Hell,

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which is like a crazy weird place. And there's a place called the

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Devil Street. But there would also
be a section in there known as bis

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are Beasts. And this is where
you would get your local legends of cryptids,

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local legends of UFOs, and local
legends of like the Jersey Devil.

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The Jersey Devil's the biggest cryptid hands
down in New Jersey. That's the one

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that gets the most attention. But
I would remember reading something about Big Red

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Eye in northern New Jersey and I
was bown away because I was always under

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the impression that Bigfoot was a Pacific
Northwest phenomenon, and I really didn't believe

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that New Jersey would harbor anything like
that. And I remember, as a

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kid, I had a pretty you
know, budding interest in that type of

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stuff. I remember my grandma would
tell me stories about the stories that she

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would hear as a kid when she
was in Ohio and tell me about the

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grass man. She would tell me
about, you know, all the Bigfoot

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stories that she heard. She would, I would also indulge heavily and stuff

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like in search of all sorts of
you know, like C list monster movies

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with big Foot in it. I
would. I was a huge fan of

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monster requests. That was probably the
one thing. But deep down, I've

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always kind of thought that it was
a fairy tale and it was all fun

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and games, and it was it
was cool, and it was awesome that

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all these stories are out there,
but I never truly gave anything of it

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credence, and I really wasn't one
to jump on that dan wagon of this

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thing was real so fast forward,
I lose I kind of slowly lose my

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interests in this subject. You know. I get into school girls become a

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thing, you know, I get
in the new hobbies, and a lot

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of the big foot folklore stuff just
kind of drained away. And I still

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had a little interest in it,
but it wasn't anything really crazy. But

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that's where I began to kind of
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anthibians and Southern New Jersey has a
very unique ecosystem, as in the Pine

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Barrens, which is a one point
one million acre section of forests that takes

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up multiple counties. It lays over
a seventeen trillion gallon aquifer, which is

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basically an underground reservoir that has some
of the earth's cleanest water. And this

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is known as the Kirkwood Carhansi Aquifer
and expands from southern New Jersey's early the

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Central Jersey. And this area is
unique with different types of plants and different

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types of wildlife. It's uh,
it was formed over the past million a

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couple million years. Basically, if
you picture sand dunes on a beach,

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I don't know if they have any
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they're they're sand dunes that are covered
in pine trees and all sorts of lichens

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and ferns and blueberry bushes, huckleberry
bushes, you name it, all sorts

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of treat food, treat foods,
tree berries also surrounded the areas with swamps.

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There's areas with large upland pine oak
fests, and there's also just large

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amounts of gravel and white sand and
a sugar sand that pretty much covers the

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expanse of the pine barrens. So
in short, like this was the area

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that I was very interested in checking
out and hiking more. So fast forward

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a little bit, I got involved
with doing snake research voluntarily volunteering for the

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state in New Jersey. There's a
program I don't want to really get rid

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of the name or get out the
name of the program, and I was

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volunteering for. But our biggest goal
in volunteering for this program was to go

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out search for habitat, good habitat
for rare animals, mostly snakes, so

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that we could send information and data
back to the state and we would pretty

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much just if we would figure out
what is areas that may need to be

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managed, like if there's areas that
are too thick that need to be cut

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down, if there's areas that need
more open and we were basically trying to

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connect and figure out what are the
best habitats to preserve and how can forestry

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and the state move forward with preserving
and habitats and keeping them good for rare

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and endangered animals. So a part
this program would we would choose places on

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maps, and we would go to
these places and maps and we would go

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there and we would research and we
would look for these rare and endangered animals

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and we ended up looking at this
place for a few months that we were

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very interested in checking out. They
had the right habitat. It was this

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very large open area these snakes were
fond of. It was pretty pretty close

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to some some pretty thick forest.
It was about it was about you know,

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not too far from the main road, so it was going to be

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easy access to an extent to get
back to it. So we decided to

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me and my friend decided to take
a trip out there to get a lay

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of the land and check it out. And this would we would go out

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there around June of twenty eighteen,
and we were going to go out there

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and do some research and try to
see if we can't bring back any information

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about this general area. So we
get there and this area was a long

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route two of six in Atlantic County
and it's a a large pale you dune

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that was in the state forest.
And before I go into more detail about

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it, it's very close in vicinity
to a large cran a large cranberry facility

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that would with multiple box where cranberries
were annually harvested, packed and sent over

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to ocean spray. And this was
a large area where cranberry farmers would all

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come together and they would they would
pick the blueberries and they would harvest them.

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So this was just just within a
mile of the area that we were

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going to search. So anyway,
we get there and we get out,

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and we decided to take a small
overgrown trail that goes into the state forests,

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which was going to go into the
area we wanted to check out.

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So we get out and right away. It was a very wet, wet

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spring, I remember, and it
was everywhere was flooded. It was an

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absolute it was an absolute catastrophe.
To get back there, we had we

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had we had boots on, we
had mud boots up to our knees,

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and we we we've pushed forward and
we just found a way to get back

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there. We ended up hiking through
probably not a mile and a half of

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some thick screenbrier thorns about. The
water was very close to going over boots

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a couple of times, and it
was pretty We had a lot of cuts

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and scratches after that hike up to
the dune. So we get up there

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and the dune is absolutely beautiful.
And if I can try to have you

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visualize what the dune looks like it's
a large open area mostly pretty much the

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canopies like seventy two one hundred percent
open. It's a large it's a large

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bald that you'll see on baps in
the middle of the woods. And it's

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really sandy. Its dry land that
comes up above the swamp swampy area that

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was surrounding it, and this is
imperative for stuff to escape the you know,

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the coal, the water and be
able to bask and forage and nest

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and do all that good stuff.
So this was We get there and it

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was like beautiful. We couldn't have
asked for a better area to set up

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and start looking around. It was. It was June, so blueberries were

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pretty much peak. There was tons
of plump blueberries on every bush. There

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was flowering ground plants, and there
was all sorts of liking and it looked

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pretty untouched from people it was.
It was. It was a pretty nice

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spot. So we get our stuff
down and we start setting up and we're

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kind of just going to walk around
the paleo dune and just try to fake

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year out like where we want to
start at, where we want to look

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at, and if we can find
any signs of like snakes, which is

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our main goal. So we where
we end up hiking into. So how

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the paleo dude looks. It's almost
like a fork. So one part goes

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towards the main road that runs through
the state forests, and another fork goes

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into deeper into the state forests.
So we decided to take the fork that

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goes in deeper into the state forests
where there's much thicker woods. So we're

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just kind of walking, we're talking, we're checking stuff out, and we

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walk upon this really old hunterstand,
Like this thing isn't your regular Walmart hunderstand,

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Like this is a straight up shack
in the trees, Like someone took

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a bunch of time to make this
almost like a blind twenty feet up in

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the trees. So I'll remember initially
seeing that, and I kind of started

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to get spooked a little bit because
the thing about the pine bearings, You're

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you're surrounded by three major cities.
You've got New York north of you,

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Philadelphia to the west, and Baltimore
south, and you're you're surrounded by you

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know, millions of people, you
know what, in sort in different suburbs

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of different cities. So a lot
of times, people will kind of go

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out to the pines and hide out
and and lay low for a while,

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and you don't know who you're going
to run out to it. And I

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still say to this day, like
I my biggest worry in the woods is

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people. And I remember just distinctly
seeing that dear stand, and I'm like

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thinking to myself, it looks like
something could live in there, because there's

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a there's a there's a roof,
there's there's everything you would need to escape

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the elements. So we end up
walking up to it and we're kind of

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checking around, and you know,
I'm a little uneasy, but I'm making

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the best I'm making do the best
I can. And my friend kind of

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just like, hey, man,
I'm gonna go walk off over here,

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and I think he was going to
use the bathroom. I don't remember the

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exact details of why he walked off, but I was like, all right,

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man. So I'm still looking around, still checking out the area,

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and I'm looking in this area that
the tree stand kind of sits on a

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ridge, and the lower area there's
a very wet area, and around this

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time of the year it's extremely thick
with all sorts of plants and trees,

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and I remember I began to hear
what sounded like bipedal walking coming from left

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to right, and this was about
a good distance in probably seventy to one

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hundred yards and just just crunch,
crunch, crunch. So immediately I'm already

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on edge about me, worried about
people, and I kind of I think

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that there's somebody walking up to,
you know, go back to their shed

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in the middle of the woods.
So I start, I start yelling out

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in the woods. I'm like,
who's there, who's that? We'll be

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back with more big Foot Society after
these words from our sponsors, and you

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know, I'm trying to get a
response from something that's not responding, that's

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clearly walking on you know, two
legs, and I'm like, I'm sartin.

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I'm like looking, I'm gazing into
the woods. I'm really like trying

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to get a look at who is
coming, if there's anyone, you know,

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going to be coming through the trees. And that's when I get like

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a split second look at what looked
to be this sheen, like this greasy,

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black like hair sheen moving from tree
to tree as it continued to move

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through the swamp, and you know, I estimated at the time that was

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probably about six foot off the ground
around that, so you know, I

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see that for not long enough for
me to get a really good look at

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it, but like long enough to
know it wasn't like imagining anything. And

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this chene ended up going through some
trees and I began to hear the steps

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a couple more times, and that's
when it just stopped. And I remember

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thinking that it either heard me and
went to check me out, or looked

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over at me to check me out, or it just walked off where I

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couldn't hear it anymore. So I
freaked out and I kind of go and

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grab my friend and he's like,
hey, like, I think I found

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a shed. Let's check this out. This looks really cool. And I'm

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like, now, dude, we're
going, We're going, and he's he's

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like, what's wrong and what's going
on? And I told him, like,

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I think there's some dude back there
like stalking us, because at the

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time, I don't know if people
are hunting out there. I wasn't really

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too too good knowledgeable and like the
hunting walls and regulations, but you know,

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no one's going to be out there
hunting and black uh that time of

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the year in June. So we
end up kind of hiking back, and

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you know, it turned into like
the hike was very much put in half

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because we hurried back to the car
so fast, and I just remember getting

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back, and you know, Bigfoot
was never in my mind. I just

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fake thought that I spooked some weird
piney dude who was out here langlow and

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trying to not be caught by people. And I was pretty pretty much sure

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that there's there, there was a
guy back there, and I was you

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know, I remember walking back,
nicking sure he wasn't following us or anything,

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and we never had anything follow us
back. But we got out of

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there and I really didn't return to
that site for a while, and I

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just didn't never had that cross my
mind until probably a couple of weeks after,

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where I think I heard something like
a recent report or it was something

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along those lines, and that's where
I really kind of had that start to

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drip in my head. I couldn't
have been wasn't And I was like,

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you know, nah, there's no
way. So I ended up just heading

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heading back. You know, A
couple like a couple a couple of years

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later and just to get another lay
on the land. And ever since then,

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that site's kind of been burned from
a controlled burn or no control burns.

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It was actually an uncontroled burn that
burned like thirteen thousand acres. And

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you know it's not the same that
the shed's pretty much burned down completely.

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But I was able to get a
better look at that area and in that

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general area and see that whatever it
was was probably about seventy five yards away

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from me, and it was within
you know, as far as my site

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goes. It would have made sense
that when we called like a small glimpse

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of it, but you know,
I ended up kind of not going back

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really ever since the burn. And
you know, that's that's about like that's

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pretty much how like my first encounter
went out in the pines. So that

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is just wild. I mean that
it really sounds like, you know,

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after that, you were really into
it. Uh, it probably changed the

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trajectory of your life. Really.
Have there been other reports from that same

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area? Have you ever? Is
that something you've researched out or so,

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yeah, I can I can actually
let you know that there's a in that

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area. There is a there's a
director for a Pine Barren's Canoeing company and

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they basically have the weekends and weekday
excursions where people got kayaking and canoeing and

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elite hikes and stuff. And the
guy who directs is the director there.

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He has had lots of vocalization incidents
in that surrounding area. And you know,

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I'm going to give you another story
here from that same area, probably

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a mile away from where I had
my encounter. And this is an area

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that has had documented and undocumented activities
documented as far as the bfr own stuff.

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But this encounter was something that kind
of blew me away. And you

406
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.719
know, when I heard it and
how close it was to my original encounter,

407
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.719
it shok me a little bit.
And I'm actually still looking for the

408
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:13.760
people to maybe like come and talk
and I would love to be able to

409
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.480
have a conversation with them and just
get to know exactly what happened. But

410
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.559
anyway, around the same year or
two as eighteen, there was a group

411
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:31.239
of truck campers who were camping on
a on a plot of land just like

412
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:36.760
around the northern part of Wharton State
Forest. And this was an area close

413
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:43.559
to at Coo Raceway. And this
is an area with a big power line

414
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:47.800
cut, and I want to get
the exact location of where the incident happened

415
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:52.400
that but the area is surrounded by
swamp, there's a power line cut,

416
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:59.239
it's got everything that you would want
for an area to truly be squatchy.

417
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:06.039
Anyway, these truck campers were out
of state and they were camping in this

418
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:12.920
particular section and basically they were camping
on a dead end road that was in

419
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:20.039
this high area in the swamp.
And basically, these trucks have like cabs

420
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.880
on them, and they use the
trucks on the sus tents and they campus

421
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.920
side the trucks and they're all they're
all jacked up, you know, they

422
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.719
all got they all have all the
accessories, all the lights, all the

423
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.039
all the cool stuff you would want
on on a lifted truck. So they're

424
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:39.119
they're camping back there and they they're
all sleeping, and it's around two in

425
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:47.280
the morning where one of them wakes
up to the sound of her door handle

426
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.800
jiggling on the back of her car, on the back of the of the

427
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:59.519
truck on the tailgate, and she
immediately thinks that, okay, maybe there's

428
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:01.960
a one of the one of my
friends or one of the guys that's trying

429
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.480
to get in to grab something or
trying to grab something from the truck.

430
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:15.039
So she gets up and she ends
up turning on the light and the back

431
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.760
light to the back of her truck. And when she turns on the light,

432
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:27.559
she just sees this huge torso standing
behind the truck, jiggling the door

433
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:34.320
handle just as why, almost as
why as the truck. And you know,

434
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.079
she remember she was relaying that it
was a very hairy torso, black

435
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:44.719
leathery skin, and once she saw
that, she screamed as loud as she

436
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:51.159
could freaked out, and she ended
up waking everybody up. This thing tears

437
00:38:51.199 --> 00:39:00.880
off to the side, and pretty
much she trying to take up everyone too

438
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.320
so they can get out of there. So they pretty much hastily pack up

439
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.599
and they're they get out of there, and they end up getting lost,

440
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:14.000
and they're out in an area they're
not familiar with, and they're looking around

441
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.599
to find an are you know,
places to get back onto the main road.

442
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:25.639
And that's when this uh director of
the of this adventure company ends up

443
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.519
walking up on the three in the
morning and he likes to walk his dog

444
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:35.760
at night out there, and that's
where he that's when he you know,

445
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:40.239
here's a lot of his vocalizations and
stuff, and he scares the crap out

446
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.880
of him because he lets the dog
aren't up and you know the dogs all,

447
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:49.800
you know, letting them pet pet
her, and he's running around and

448
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.960
that's when he got the story from
them that this thing tried to get into

449
00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:00.719
one of the trucks, and they
pretty much all free doubt and got out

450
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.480
of there, and he gave her, gave them directions how to get out

451
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.719
of there, and they never returned
to that spot again, and they were

452
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:19.440
camping there annually every year until recently. That is probably one of the most

453
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.960
intense Uh dude, that's nuts.
Is did you say it's some BFR report

454
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.920
or not. It's not a it's
not now it should be, but it's

455
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:35.800
not. Okay, Oh man,
that's wild. I can't imagine, like,

456
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.119
especially not being a bigfoot person,
I'd be like, I'm at here,

457
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.159
you just saw a monster in your
rear view window. I'd be the

458
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:51.440
same way I would be out of
there completely. Did that. It's amazing,

459
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.079
And that was, like you said, that was close to where you're

460
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.239
your encounter with Oh geez, yeah, within a couple of miles man,

461
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.639
miss her. Wow, that is
you know, the more I hear about

462
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:12.360
this look into the South Jersey area, it is just so intense. It's

463
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.480
incredible that more people are not talking
about it. You know, And we

464
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:22.920
were talking earlier about how you would
listen to the first swamp Dog episode and

465
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.599
you know, what are what are
your thoughts about like the stories that he

466
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:32.199
was sharing about, you know,
what happened around Vineland and in those different

467
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.840
places. Oh well, you know, me and my friend had got a

468
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.960
thing like you know, these joys, these joysy sasquatses, they got an

469
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:47.639
attitude I forget about forget about it. There you go there you so,

470
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:54.800
yeah, swamp Dog really blew me
away. I'm very familiar with that general

471
00:41:54.800 --> 00:42:00.000
location of where the airport is and
where flamp Dog had his initial encounter,

472
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:05.679
and that's what prompted me to message
you about it. That area is one

473
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.440
of the one of the more hot
spot areas, probably in the southern part

474
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:19.039
of the state, and that area
actively has a habituation going on just north

475
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:25.039
of that airport, and I really
the information of like the general spot.

476
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.440
I'm sure if I got taught to
swamp dog or something. He would probably

477
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:37.400
confirm it's the same area. But
I'm friends with some people who are having

478
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:49.239
active, active habituations with multiple sasquatches
in that area. And there's another area

479
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:54.480
that's not far away from a road
crossing a few years back, just probably

480
00:42:54.519 --> 00:43:01.760
ten miles west of there or east
of there, and it's certainly an area

481
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.440
that has tons and tons of activity. I don't go down that area a

482
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:12.159
lot. A lot of my research
I do was in Wharton State Forests and

483
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.760
some of the larger portions of the
pine barns, but it's an area that

484
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:23.039
for sure is is active. And
when I guess I when I heard that

485
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:29.639
information that that swamp dog has had
activity in that area, it makes a

486
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:36.000
lot of sense. So it's just
it's wild to think because you know,

487
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.639
his encounter is back in I want
to say, late eighties, early nineties

488
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.400
in that airport, and there's still
you know, sounds like still things going

489
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:52.360
on today. Just for listeners that
might not be familiar with the term habituation,

490
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:59.559
is there any way you can maybe
break that down exactly what they're experiencing

491
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:06.239
on this the property that you're saying
sure. So habituation is basically, this

492
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:13.920
family is actively having sasquatches coming in
very close and proximity to their property.

493
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:20.159
So they'll you're not really supposed to, but they'll feed them, they'll have

494
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.480
they'll get within you know, they'll
get pretty close to them, they'll they'll

495
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:31.480
looking windows, and the firm habituation
basically means you're you're habitating them, you're

496
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.639
keeping them around, or you're either
keeping them around with food, you're keeping

497
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:40.000
them around with good habitat, you're
keeping them around. Maybe it could just

498
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:45.719
be as simple as that they live
next to a waterway and they use that

499
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.719
waterway actively to get from point A
to point B. That and this waterway

500
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:59.360
actually goes from all the way up
more more towards me all the way down

501
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.159
into some deeper, thicker parts of
South Jersey. So they use this waterway

502
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:12.320
to navigate up in them and they've
gotten multiple footprints in and around this waterway.

503
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.400
So for the most part, I
think that the I think that's a

504
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:22.480
really good way to put what habituation
is. We'll be back with more big

505
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:30.519
Foot Society after these words from our
sponsors. I haven't had the opportunity to

506
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:37.320
really get on their property and like
truly be in the same area truly be

507
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:46.679
a little frightening to But it's it's
it's definitely something that's ongoing, and it's

508
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:52.400
it's in that same section of sectional
Woods that I think swamp Dog had his

509
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.199
encounter in the nineteen eighties. It's
incredible. Oh man, you know,

510
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:02.159
it's so habituations, to be honest, freak me out. I talked to

511
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:06.239
a lot of people, you know, over the years, I've talked to

512
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:10.800
a lot of people, and it's
just I personally feel that feeding them is

513
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:15.360
never a good idea because there will
be a time when either you forget to

514
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.679
feed them or you run out of
food or something, and then that just

515
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:25.920
leads into not good situations. That's
that's my personal feelings on it. But

516
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:34.920
man, it's sure it's bad news. It is for sure. There's a

517
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:40.079
park that he mentions. Do you
know, have you ever had any dealings

518
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:45.719
with that that park, the West
Side Park at all. I'll tell you

519
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:51.280
the truth that I've not. Okay, it's an area that it's definitely connects

520
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.960
to that section of for us where
the habituation is happening yet and it makes

521
00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:00.440
a lot of sense that that area
has them hanging out and stuff. In

522
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:04.119
fact, I might want to get
back down to that area, probably probably

523
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:08.760
pretty soon and really check it out. I only live about half hour away

524
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:14.760
from these areas, so I definitely
think that I'll be back out there.

525
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:19.599
But as far as like, as
far as like stuff that has happened there

526
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:25.039
that I know of, I don't
have anything. Wow. So you're saying

527
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:35.800
that the same area that swamp Doog
earlier today had had things happen. You're

528
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:40.559
saying it's in very close proximity to
this habituation site. That's brother, that's

529
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.039
that same waterway that I was talking
about what that runs through behind the purpose

530
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:51.320
property. That same waterway passes through
that same park that goes the habituation.

531
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:57.599
They travel up and down that waterway. I like it's a highway, you

532
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:00.199
know. I can only I can
only like, can't say that for sure

533
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:07.119
unless I have repeated evidence and repeated
track casts or whatever in that general area.

534
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:14.800
But that's what I would I would
hypothesize that the same waterway that swamp

535
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.679
dog the wake, that is,
it is next to that airport in the

536
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.280
in the same waterway that goes down
from way up past there where the property

537
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:30.079
is at all the way down into
like Cumberland County and stuff like that.

538
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:38.719
That whole area is just loaded with
recent and like historical reports. It's absolutely

539
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:44.079
wild because you would never guess it
by looking at New Jersey on a map.

540
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:50.880
But it's like the more that I
interview people from your area and I've

541
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.000
never had you know, I've talked
to people from all over the US,

542
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:59.760
and I've never had a location where
it's like people are just hitting me up

543
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:02.360
like yeah, here man, or
here or I've had this happen, And

544
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:08.679
it's just it's definitely there's this there's
something special going on in the South Jersey

545
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:14.079
area for sure. And people don't
know each other either. It's all people

546
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:19.880
who are complete strangers that are having
these encounters in the same general areas.

547
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:25.239
It's truly, it's truly crazy,
and it's I'm beside myself by seeing this

548
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:30.800
this type of stuff come forward and
really learned that this stuff is happening in

549
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:36.880
the same area that a lot of
other people that I know. I knew

550
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:42.480
these people have been having a seal
habituation for two years and well it's probably

551
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:46.280
longer than that, but for as
far as long as I've known them.

552
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:54.320
You alluded to this earlier. Does
this area have quite a historical, quite

553
00:49:54.320 --> 00:50:05.760
a history of Sasquatch interactions or yes, there's there's a couple BFO reports that

554
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:12.159
in that vicinity of that area that
are probably from like the eighties or the

555
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:16.559
seventies. And as far as like
you're gonna get a lot of South Jersey

556
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:21.400
and New Jersey people just aren't very
open to Sasquatch in general. In fact,

557
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.800
I think more people would want to
fight you for believing in Sasquatch over

558
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:29.800
the Jersey Devil or you know,
vice versa. And people don't open up

559
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.199
about this stuff. So a lot
of the stuff you here in South Jersey's

560
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:35.440
like just words of mouth, and
people will tell you, like, hey,

561
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.480
there's some of your stuff that goes
on out there. I had this

562
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.559
happened to me when I was a
kid, or I had this happened to

563
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:44.159
me, you know, ten years
ago. People don't really like go online

564
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.679
and post stuff. They don't really
like to put themselves out there, especially

565
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:52.639
in New Jersey where you're so you
got so many jobs, and you got

566
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.840
so many stores, and you're just
you got tons and tons of people.

567
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:04.880
It's less accepted down here that unless
you legitimately have an encounter, finding someone

568
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.280
else who's always in big versity or
a sine one is like finding a needle

569
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:12.400
on a haystack. Frankly, it's
it's so a lot of stuff you hear

570
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:19.400
is in that is through the word
word of mouth. And I've heard a

571
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:27.239
lot of word of mouth in this
general area of South Jersey, and there's

572
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:31.639
a lot of people out there who
have stuff that had that have had stuff

573
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:37.239
happen in this vicinity and this general
area that just don't want to come forward

574
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:42.840
with it. And I'm hoping that
whoever hears this and whoever has had activity

575
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.159
in this in this vicinity, you
know, I'm hoping that these interviews with

576
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.760
being a swamp dog or who remember
else brings out people out of the woodworks

577
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:55.519
to come forward and report this stuff, because you know, coming out and

578
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.360
you know, having multiple people come
out in full forth and put out multiple

579
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.960
data points and stuff like, it'll
be a lot easier to track this type

580
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:13.000
of stuff in the future. Oh
absolutely, I totally totally agree with you.

581
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:19.159
I had a question come to mind
a little earlier, and do you

582
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:24.119
feel that so you've got most people
focusing on Jersey Devil. Do you think

583
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:31.960
there's any like connection between the two
or maybe like some I don't know.

584
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.519
Yeah, I don't know how.
I'm so trying to say this, but

585
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.159
I think you get me. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. So

586
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:43.960
I'm gonna sort if I say I
don't believe in the Jersey Devil. I

587
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:49.320
know I'm pissing off a bunch of
people saying that, but I don't believe

588
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.920
in it. I think maybe possibly
it could be like a weird like entity

589
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:58.559
thing. I don't really I actually
think that it's a misidentified sasquatch that people

590
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.000
see over the past, you know, a couple of hundred years. I

591
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:07.079
mean think about it, like,
you know, red eyes, big big

592
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.119
wings that could just be like arms
with hair, screams in the night.

593
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:15.079
It sounds like a sasquatch. So
a lot of the reports I've heard of

594
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:20.639
the Jersey Devil, including like some
historical stuff, a lot of them say

595
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.079
the same thing. It's got red
eyes, it screams like a danshee in

596
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:28.840
the night, and it uh,
you know, smells bad. It's got

597
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:32.679
these big wings that you know,
people don't really ever see. So I

598
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.760
think there is Yeah, I think
there's a lot of connection that you can

599
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:45.000
you can put towards that them being
like like connecting the Jersey Devil to Sasquatch.

600
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.519
I mean, I can't explain when
people hear something on their roof walking

601
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:55.360
with hoofs or I can't explain like
certain weird tracks. But I do think

602
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:02.800
that like a lot of a lot
of it could be misidentified for sure.

603
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:13.599
That's that's what I was trying to
get at. Yeah, gotcha, It's

604
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.360
like it just it feels like,
you know, sometimes I look in says

605
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:21.239
story, it just it feels like
it's got a big, big big foot

606
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:25.000
related you. You were nice enough
to send over a audio clip. I

607
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:30.559
want to make sure that we play
that. Can you give the background of

608
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:37.119
what we've got going on in this
soundclip? Yeah, this is not my

609
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:42.880
audio clip. This is a friend
of mines that was with me on this

610
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:47.280
particular This is a recent expedition past
uh this this past spring, and this

611
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:52.119
was in the Jersey Pine barrens.
So we're out on a on a on

612
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.800
a dirt trail along the large lake
out in the pines, middle of middle

613
00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:02.639
of nowhere, like Burlington County,
and we're actually we're having some pretty active

614
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:09.360
paranormal activity going on. We had
like a a weird it with an E

615
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:15.559
n F E NF A meter out
there going off and and and there's some

616
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.519
mediums there, and we had like
a weird, like paranormal kind of night.

617
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.719
But we still had time to do
our whoops, to do a couple

618
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.320
with knots. So I think this
was following someone doing a whistle or someone

619
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:34.800
doing a some sort of provocation,
and what entails is a distant whoop that

620
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:45.519
most of the attendees heard. All
right, let's check it out. There's

621
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:54.000
just would you? Yeah, that
was a whoop. Yeah, I'm going

622
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.360
to play one more time because it
is. It's it's a little faint,

623
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:00.000
but I'm going to do it one
more time, so people, And it's

624
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:07.800
right after that, the first sound
that you hear, it's right after it.

625
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:19.480
Yep, here we go. It's
just would you? That was a

626
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:28.679
whoop? Yeah? That's so crazy. Wow, that's the classic Pine Barn's

627
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:32.599
big foot whoops. Who have you? Have you heard that multiple times when

628
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:39.760
you've been out there? So my
the BFR expedition in twenty twenty one that

629
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:46.159
I went on was probably the absolute
craziest that's where I heard this thing come

630
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:52.719
up close and just start whooping at
us. If you want to go into

631
00:56:52.760 --> 00:57:00.079
detail that absolutely, yeah, I
don't want to. But anyway, I

632
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:07.760
remember so following my twenty eighteen encounter
out in the pines, I I definitely

633
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.599
had like an interest still in the
subject, and I remember coming across this,

634
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.440
this expedition that was going to happen
out in the pine barns, and

635
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.760
I remember at the time I was
kind of thinking, like, you know,

636
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.039
I should try to go on one
of these, see what's going on,

637
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.800
you know, And at the time, I'm very signed, I'm still

638
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:30.519
scientifically minded, but I was very
skeptical, skeptical about maybe what I experienced,

639
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:36.360
and I wasn't really truly sure.
So I decided to go into this

640
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:42.199
expedition and see what these people do, they how they conduct their research,

641
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:49.119
and just kind of check out,
check out, just knock something off my

642
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:53.199
bucket list. Pretty much was was
my main thing. So I remember preparing

643
00:57:53.280 --> 00:58:01.000
for it and getting to the expedition
Thursday night, it was like I didn't

644
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:05.119
know what the heck house Soon I
never can't before, I never did anything

645
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:09.639
like that. So I ended up
having the leader of that expedition, helping

646
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:15.039
me with the tent and getting all
that done squared away. So for the

647
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.760
most part, like I mean,
i'll kind of I'll probably just kind of

648
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:22.599
skip over for first the first night. The first night was very not not

649
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:30.159
too much happened. We did this
like this what they call the it's called

650
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:34.280
it, it's called the pie piper
routine. So two people, two groups

651
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.960
will actually walk with each other and
then they'll split up and usually at a

652
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:43.719
fork in a trail or maybe there's
two trails next to each other. One

653
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.559
group will go one way. The
group will go to the way, and

654
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:50.960
there'll be another group kind of sitting
just off the trail with like thermal cameras

655
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:55.480
and burmal imagers, and they'll just
just see if anything is following us or

656
00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:02.400
were paralleling us, and they'll they'll
go out, they'll they'll kind of they'll

657
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:07.639
they'll they'll do publications towards each other. You know, they'll have they'll whoop

658
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.400
there, they'll they'll knock and they'll
see it. They can't have anything come

659
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:16.719
fall us back to camp was the
main goal of the pie pipe of routine.

660
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:20.960
So that night, you know,
we really didn't have anything happened.

661
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.159
I was pretty unconvinced, and I
had to go to work the next day,

662
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:28.800
so I ended up just calling it
a night. I left. I

663
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.559
was going to return the next day
for the second night of the expedition.

664
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:39.239
So I get back to the campground, I meet up with some people that

665
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:44.559
go out and we're gonna do some
day scouting of some possible locations we could

666
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:49.360
check out for the night time.
And we get out and you know,

667
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:52.119
we have a nice day spent kind
of walking around. Didn't we have anything

668
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:57.039
happened. We actually went to an
area that there was a twenty eighteen road

669
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:01.800
crossing incident in this one section of
Saint Rust that we were camping at,

670
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:06.039
and it's just kind of cool to
go there and kind of see an area

671
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.760
where something was there and something crossed
and kind of get an idea of the

672
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:16.039
habitat. So we ended up,
you know, taking some pictures, checking

673
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:21.199
it all out, and we had
headed back to camp to get ready for

674
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:27.079
the next night the exposition. We'll
be back with more Bigfoot Society after these

675
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:35.960
words from our sponsors. So the
next night we were going to go to

676
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:42.039
an area known lovingly as Kevin's Pond, which is the name of a researcher

677
01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:49.559
who actually passed away somewhat recently,
and we deemed the pond after own,

678
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.320
but at the time it wasn't called
that because he was still alive. So

679
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:59.599
we were going to go there,
and we were going to have one team,

680
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:04.800
I think one team was elsewhere and
we had another team at this particular

681
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:09.880
location. And what we usually do
in a lot of instances will come out

682
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.360
to a certain area and we'll just
kind of sit there for a while,

683
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:20.480
maybe I can forty five minutes to
an hour, and we will just be

684
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.119
silent. We usually let the woods
kind of settle back around us after driving

685
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:29.880
through them with pickup trucks and stuff, and we just kind of let everything

686
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:34.760
come back to calling, like the
frogs will start calling again, birds will

687
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:40.639
start calling, and usually we'll give
it some time before we decide to do

688
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:50.000
any prov occasions. So forty five
minutes to an hour passed by, and

689
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.119
they decide that since I'm the new
guy, they were going to have me

690
01:01:54.199 --> 01:02:01.360
do a whoop. So I get
up and I just I just I do

691
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:09.800
this just really loud whoop into the
forest, and I remember instantly hearing these

692
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:15.400
three distinct whoops, almost like something
was flying, like not flying away,

693
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:21.280
but like moving away from us when
I did the whoop, so immediately I

694
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.559
was just like, I go,
what what the heck was that? Like,

695
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:30.519
I was pretty blown away by that
and how instant it was when I

696
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:38.239
did the whoop, and I sat
back down, and we had another person

697
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:44.360
do some stuff, some provocations,
and didn't didn't really have any activity.

698
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:49.679
But as I was kind of sitting
there listening, you know, when you're

699
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.760
in the woods and you're doing this
type of research, you end up having

700
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:58.440
better hearing and you're able to kind
of bene your hearing to hear for further

701
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:02.519
distances. So I'm kind of sitting
there listening and I'm just you know,

702
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:08.400
I'm hearing cautes in the distance howling, and I'm hearing you know, every

703
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:19.159
occasional distant barred owl going off,
and the wind picks up, and I

704
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:29.239
begin hearing what sounds like samurai chatter, just very distant, just what you

705
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:34.079
to have. It was just very
very like cryptic, the language sound like

706
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.639
mumbling sound, and it was very
it was very hard to hear, but

707
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:44.920
it was clear that there was samurai
chatter just going off behind us, and

708
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:46.760
I think me and like someone else
may have been hearing it at the time,

709
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:51.440
but because I said it was so
distant, you would it was very

710
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:55.440
tough to like get a good You
weren't able to hear it very well unless

711
01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:02.400
the wind was blowing the right way. So we're hearing that, and this

712
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:09.599
big group of a TV ears and
dirt bikers kind of end up soiling the

713
01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:15.159
party. So we had to Once
the dirt bikers like moved through the area,

714
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:21.519
and you know, the forest was
disturbed, all activity like completely ceased,

715
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:26.079
and we just decided to call it
a night and get out of there

716
01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:31.320
and prepare the next day for the
final night OP. So we head out,

717
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:35.639
I go home, get I get
back to the camp and I just

718
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:42.000
I just remember sleeping like a baby. And any way, fast forward to

719
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.719
the final night OP. A lot
of the times during expeditions, there really

720
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.519
isn't a lot going on during the
day except for day scouting, eating,

721
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:57.239
recap of night ops. All the
good stuff happens at night. So we

722
01:04:57.360 --> 01:05:01.679
end up going to an area the
pines known as the Bowl. Now,

723
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:10.360
the Bowl is an area that is
the main researcher has had multiple instances of

724
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:16.559
vocalizations wood knocks he had he has
heard trees pushed, it pushed over there.

725
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:24.159
It's a pretty active spot and it
was a pretty moonment night. It

726
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:29.480
was you know, probably like a
nice cool September night, so it was

727
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:34.000
like sixty degrees. It was a
little chilly. And we get to the

728
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:39.559
area and we have a group of
girls, and we have a group of

729
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:46.559
guys product four guys, four girls, and there's another team across the bog

730
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:56.320
from this particular spot that is doing
research, and there is I believe another

731
01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.920
team that was further down the bog. So we were trying to kind of

732
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:06.559
cement our positions around this bog where
there was a lot of activity the prior

733
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:13.360
night. So we end up splitting
up. We're going to keep the girls

734
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:17.760
by themselves in the center of the
bowl and they were just going to talk,

735
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.320
saying, do all their stuff to
try to, you know, bring

736
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:27.079
in something. They were eight,
and we me and the rest of the

737
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:30.800
guys, we're going to go to
the damn of this particular bog and we

738
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:35.239
were going to sit there and we
were just going to listen do some occasional

739
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:41.119
you know hows or whoops to see
if we can't we couldn't drum up anything,

740
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:46.920
and we were going to thrm the
entire bog to see if anything was

741
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:51.440
going to come into view or check
us outs in this big open area.

742
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:58.599
We had a really good thermal camera. We were hoping to get something visible.

743
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:03.519
So we are sitting there and I
just remember the first part of the

744
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:10.920
night was extremely, extremely boring.
We had nothing happening. We had occasional

745
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.679
beaver tail slaps on the water and
that was the only thing keeping us like

746
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:21.519
listening to anything. It was like
nothing was going on. It was deader

747
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:28.760
than you know, dead out there. So we're just kind of sitting there

748
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:30.639
and we're starting to chat, and
we're starting to, you know, kind

749
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:35.079
of do our own thing, and
you know, the one guy's talking to

750
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:40.440
me about my generation and politics and
all this other stuff. So I'm like

751
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:47.000
getting all uncomfortable and and just weirded
out in that situation. So while that's

752
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:53.920
going on, the radio goes off, and this radio call is from the

753
01:07:53.960 --> 01:08:00.639
girls at the in the bowl and
they're saying, hey, guys, one

754
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:06.920
of the girls is having a conversation
with one right now. So immediately I'm

755
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:12.880
like, wait what. So I'm
kind of like right away intrigued by what

756
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:17.319
I'm hearing, and we said,
they decided that I'm the new guy.

757
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:23.479
I'm the new you know, new
blood per se, and I was going

758
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:28.399
to walk down to the bowl with
one of the other researchers, and you

759
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:32.159
know, we're going to slowly bring
people into that area to see if we

760
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:38.399
couldn't capture more evidence of whatever was
going on. So I'm very I'm not

761
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:42.520
sure what's going on. I'm pretty
you know, I'm beside myself by what

762
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:47.000
I'm hearing. And we're walking down
this trail towards the bowl, and the

763
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:54.439
damn is probably about a one hundred
yard walk from the bowl and the trail

764
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:59.680
basically how it is is you don't
see the you don't see at the center

765
01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:02.560
of the bat. You get around
this curve in the trail. So we're

766
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:08.239
me and this me and the guy
are walking up to the curve when we

767
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:14.399
get too extremely loud, like wood
Knox right to the left of us that

768
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:20.159
we're just couldn't have been more than
twenty yards thirty yards away. So I

769
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:26.479
mean we I'm like, you know, freaking out, and I'm like share

770
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:30.159
that. It's like, of course
I heard that. Keep walking. So

771
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.479
they we kept going towards the bowl, and I think the reason why we

772
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:40.880
didn't spend too much time with the
wood Knox is because he referred to it

773
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:45.600
as being distractions or it being something
to take your attention away from something else.

774
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:51.600
So we end up getting to the
bowl and just kind of sitting there

775
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:58.279
waiting and one of the girls is
says to the other one, go ahead,

776
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:01.199
do it. Do a whoop.
So she does. It's really soft

777
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:10.039
like whoop, just very very very
light, nothing nothing too nothing too crazy,

778
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:16.800
and probably about probably about like a
hundred yards away. Just we get

779
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:21.840
a response, We get a whoop. Come back from the woods, and

780
01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:28.479
she does another one. This thing
does another one, and you could tell

781
01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:30.920
it's getting a little bit closer to
us. It's it's like it's almost like

782
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:34.840
we're luring it in with the whoops
we're doing. It sounded like it was

783
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:44.000
curious potentially, you know, maybe
a juvenile that was interested. And this

784
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:49.880
thing is whooping at us, and
it would either whistle or would whoop and

785
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:55.439
and bang the tree or bang on
a tree, and you can just kind

786
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:59.079
of hear this thing moving through the
moving through the woods, like as it

787
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:00.520
was getting close from the us,
and we'll whop at us from a different

788
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:05.479
position. We'll be back with more
bigfoot society. After these words from our

789
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:14.720
sponsors, the lady would whoop,
and then it would come a little closer,

790
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:18.920
and then whoop again. And it
was it was. It was like

791
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:28.239
trying to navigate its way towards the
bowl, maybe through the best position of

792
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:32.760
not being seen or anything. So
I'm listening to this and in my head,

793
01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:40.680
I'm firing off every possible animal this
could be because I've never heard anything

794
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:45.039
like it in my life, and
I'm a wildlife nerd. I've studied everything

795
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:50.920
in the pines as far as owls, coyotes. I listened to all the

796
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:57.560
noises and this wasn't one of them. Nothing that I knew that as natural

797
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:03.279
made this noise, and it didn't
sound human. It was very It was

798
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:09.359
almost like someone put a hour monkey
out there and it just just whooping at

799
01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:14.560
us as it was coming closer.
So we're sitting there and this thing goes

800
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.640
from probably one hundred yards away to
probably within fifty yards of the bowl,

801
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:26.359
and basically we're we're kind of watching
and we're just like listening, and we

802
01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:31.439
begin to to look up towards the
trucks, and to the right of the

803
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:38.079
trucks there is is very large pine
tree and one of the one of the

804
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:44.560
girls is saying, I see eyeshine, I see I see eyes. So

805
01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:47.239
I'm like looking out there, and
the first thing I see is the truck

806
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.720
read the red security light on the
trucks going off. So I'm like,

807
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.319
oh, no, no, no, you're seeing you're seeing the red trucks.

808
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:57.800
You're shooing the red truck lights.
No, no, no, no,

809
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.199
not that. Look to the right
of that. So I'd panned my

810
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:05.560
vision over to the right to where
the pine tree is that and there is

811
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:13.920
this bluish eye glow staring at us
from behind a tree, and this thing

812
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.319
would would be peeking out and you
would kind of see it like almost like

813
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:20.319
as it turns its head and you
would see the one eye. You would

814
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:24.079
see the two eyes again, and
they would go behind the tree and it

815
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:28.159
would peek on the other side.
And this thing was almost like it was

816
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:34.319
kind of swaying back and forth behind
the tree and like it was trying to

817
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:39.279
get a better look at us.
It would crouch down, look on the

818
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:43.880
one side and look on the other
side and it was just this bluish eye

819
01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:51.039
tent. It looked pretty reflective off
the moon. It was very it was

820
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:57.880
like a dark blue like sheen.
And I'm just looking at this slift like

821
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:02.239
like tears in my eye, almost
just blown away by what I'm seeing.

822
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:08.399
And in my head, I'm thinking, this isn't this isn't natural, this

823
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:13.159
is this is no way, and
I'm kind of I'm kind of watching this

824
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:20.439
thing. And as I'm watching the
eye glow and looking at this this in

825
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:26.640
front of me, we begin to
hear noises behind us in the swamp that

826
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:30.920
we were our backs were toworts,
and from left to right we start hearing

827
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:40.159
this very low like moaning, like
moan ground. I can't even really explain

828
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:45.479
it, Like I said, it's
like this weird moaning noise coming from the

829
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:56.119
swamp. It was it was almost
like whoa like moaning coming from behind us,

830
01:14:56.319 --> 01:15:00.279
and it was coming from left to
right, and and it was coming

831
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:03.640
behind coming kind of behind us.
And you know, I looked back up

832
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:11.640
the pill and the eyeshine isn't bear
anymore. And all I'm hearing is this

833
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:19.479
this, this coming from behind us, And you know, I'm listening and

834
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:27.439
I'm like trying to say, trying
to rifle off every possible noise I could

835
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:31.640
think of, like raccoon, coyote, none. None of those noises were

836
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:39.640
making any sense to me. And
I think around that time the moanings kind

837
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:46.159
of stopped and that we were hearing
another distant like noise kind of coming from

838
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:50.680
the area where the eyes were coming
from. It was almost like this very

839
01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:59.840
sad, mournful like like like like
wailing sound coming from the woods. And

840
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:05.840
this was coming from our eleven o'clock
and it was panning to the it was

841
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:12.560
going left, and I remember that
two of the girls wanted to split off

842
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:18.680
to try to get better audio of
this moaning noise, and I wish that

843
01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:24.560
I was able to see the audio
that they captured, but they well,

844
01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:30.640
they went off and to follow whatever
moaning noises was, and you know,

845
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:36.119
things went quiet, and by this
time it was about two o'clock in the

846
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:42.800
morning. We're talking to the other
team on the phone on Milwaukee. You

847
01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:45.560
know, we're telling them all the
stuff that we just had happened, and

848
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:48.920
of course they're all upset because they
didn't had anything happened where they were at,

849
01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:57.319
and we were just all pretty speechless
and forward by this event that took

850
01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:03.600
place where we had a jew sound
up like a juvenile coming close and looping

851
01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:10.079
at us, to the eye glow
to kind of something like moving in behind

852
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:15.960
us, and what sounded like like
these sad, like mournful moans coming from

853
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:20.079
the top of the hill. So
we left to head back to camp for

854
01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:26.920
the final night, and I just
remember sitting there thinking like, I'm probably

855
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:31.039
never going to be the same after
that experience, because none of those noises

856
01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:34.920
were natural, none of them are
anything I've heard before I went on this

857
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:42.479
expedition. Jeremiah as somebody who is
very science. If we'd be minded,

858
01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:47.119
I'll always be skeptical of anything I
was expecting. Honestly, I was expecting

859
01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:50.359
people in the woods who were going
to hear a coyote in the distance,

860
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:57.960
or hear an owl calling or a
fox fixen scream or anything like that go

861
01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.000
off, and I was expecting them
to jump at everything. And I was

862
01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:09.720
blown away to figure out that not
only were these people serious and how how

863
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:14.880
well put, how well organized they
were with everything, but I was blown

864
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:21.159
away to see that these these noises
that everyone hears, and these these events

865
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:30.520
that people experience are liked in fact, like very real. So like I

866
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.720
said, I wasn't really the same
after that encounter and that event, and

867
01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:41.439
I was kind of put on my
butt a little bit. But I just

868
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:48.399
remember wanting to do more research into
it and look into more more reports and

869
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:55.640
more things and get in touch with
other investigators. And that's kind of what

870
01:18:55.720 --> 01:19:02.199
brought me to doing my own research
in another in the state forest there.

871
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:10.279
But that was that was for sure, like one of the craziest nights of

872
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:13.880
my life. And I would say
anybody, if you ever a chance to

873
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.920
go on a BFR expedition, even
if nothing happens, it is one thousand

874
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:25.119
percent worth it to just meet new
people camped out in the woods, get

875
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:30.119
to learn about equipment, get to
learn about techniques, and get to know

876
01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:36.640
get get to know nature and the
noises that normalis you hear in nature and

877
01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:45.800
you never know, like maybe a
sash watchful stop by. That's probably the

878
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:54.079
most intense, like BFRO story,
like that's that's a wild, wild expedition,

879
01:19:54.199 --> 01:20:00.439
dude, I'm blown away, man. No, nothing like that since

880
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:03.600
either. I've been on a couple
since then, and that was for sure

881
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:14.399
the most crazy was there some Really, there must have been crazy audio captured

882
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:19.520
that expedition. I know, I
know, but I know somebody. Yeah,

883
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:23.680
I'm going to try to talk to
people and I'm gonna try to get

884
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:28.760
because I know that somebody had to
have captured. Like I said, I

885
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:34.039
was, I messed up being the
new guy not having a recorder or an

886
01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:36.680
audio I could have even just had
my phone in my pocket. I probably

887
01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:41.920
would have captured crystal clear audio.
By how close the Wizards were coming.

888
01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:47.960
It was definitely a It was definitely
a rookie mistake for sure. Well we've

889
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.520
all been there, and I'm in
I'm saying I've been there, and you

890
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:58.479
know, you'll learn from it,
but I get it. It's hard to

891
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:02.279
forget. It's hard to forget those
mistakes. Man, Jacob. It has

892
01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:10.039
been so much fun chatting with you. This has just been an incredible amount

893
01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:15.479
of information that really is flushing out
the story of what's going on there.

894
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:20.439
Thank you so much for coming on
tonight anytime. Thank you for having me.

895
01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:27.239
I know that we're kind of keeping
per your request, we are doing

896
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:32.079
a first name only. I suppose
people could always reach out to me and

897
01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:36.119
you know, if they're like,
hey, I know something that might help

898
01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:41.319
this guy. Could I might be
able to do a go between type deal,

899
01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:45.039
But just putting that out there for
listeners that might have had their memories

900
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:51.199
jogged by something that was shared tonight. But Jacob, thank you so much

901
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:56.000
for coming on. Man, this
has been a pleasure. Thanks again,

902
01:21:56.079 --> 01:21:57.600
Jeremiah, I appreciate that