"I was Trapped inside my Tent and it was Outside" Bigfoot in New Hampshire with Brian Garvey

0:00 As I'm hearing this and I make a movement down to look, it stops. The steps stop. I look over to my dog to see what he's doing. Now. Like I said, when Chewi sees an animal, darro looa, he's gonna chase that freaking thing. He is just staring to the direction I heard the steps, and he's not moving. Man, he is on a high alert and he is not moving. I'm rocking looking between the trees like this scene. I don't know why I started doing that. I think it was I wanted to stay quiet. I didn't want to keep like pittering around. I wanted to see if I could see what was doing that.

0:56 All right, big faciety, thanks for coming back to another episode. I've got the village of talking to a new friend, mister Brian Garvey, tonight. How's it going, Brian? Very good, Jeremiah, good to be here, man, awesome, awesome. So Brian, you are a new Hampshire based outdoorsman and hiker. Correct, yes, yeah, since two eighteen I've been hiking. Oh that's awesome. So yeah, tell me a little bit about that. I know you've got a friend that goes hiking with you as well. I'd like to hear all about that chewy you want. Yeah, totally. Oh okay, Well this started twenty eighteen. In two fifteen, I should jump back to that. I started getting into exercising and want to lose weight, and I'm always looking for that extra just that next activity to do. And you could you kind of get you get tired of running, you get tired of going to the gym. I want something outside that that I love to do. And I came across in twenty eighteen, my girlfriend now wife took me to Mount Washington. Now. Mount Washington is located in northern New Hampshire. It's in the Presidential Range. It is the highest mountain in the northeast six thousand, six thousand, two hundred and eighty eight feet around there roughly, I'm in the ballpark there, big tourist destination

2:30 finding big Foot, and I believe it was one of the last seasons they went to Mount Washington and did an episode on New Hampshire. And that was eye opening for me just because of what happened to me way back in two thousand and three. It opened up my eyes and really got the light bulb go off in my head of what's going on up there, because I just I didn't know. Um when when I the first thing I thought of Bigfoot was when I was a kid, UH Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack did an episode on Bigfoot. It was like it was like the first, first or second season of that and I was just I was just a young kid, and it was probably the first time I ever saw anything on on Bigfoot.

3:24 And when you when you when you see that that PG film as a kid, you're you're in awe, like like something in the Pacific Northwest that big can remain hidden for so long, So that that kind of got the we're talking two thousand and three, you know, I planned a trip. Um it was a trip with my girlfriend and my son, and my son was five and a half at the time, so we wanted to do something special at the end of the summer. This was August of two thousand and three, so he was going to be starting kindergarten. So he was five and a half, so kindergarten was starting a couple of weeks. We want to do something special. Now up in New Hampshire, in Glen New Hampshire, they have this, uh, this amusement park called story Lands. It's it's based with children and and and I never heard of it. I've never been to New Hampshire at the time, I was twenty three, so I'm like, oh, what a great idea. We get out, go go see what the mountains look like. It was great, it was beautiful. So we were going to spend two days, two nights, three days at a campsite in Glen New Hampshire. Now Glen New Hampshire is is It's in northern New Hampshire. It's right past the Presidential Range Mount Washington. So first night went great, spent the whole next day at the park. Came back to that day tired, set up the camp you know, had the campfire going,

5:00 and they went to bed early because it was it was a long day. I stayed up till till it was time to go to bed. You have to put the camp fire out at a certain time, so around ten o'clock I put the campfire out. I went to bed. Now for me, and still to this day, when I hike and do overnights, I can't I have issues falling sleep in a tent. I just I can't sleep on my back. I am constantly a tosser and a turner. I know, like when I go on these big hikes, I know I'm not going to sleep. I'm just going to toss and turn and I suffer. I'll suffer, but I'll suffer because of my love for the mountains. Like I will get up and I'll hike the next morning. So that night, I'm just laying in the tent and it was hours hours I was laying there, and I'm almost I'm getting you know, I'm getting mad. I'm getting aggravated because I know the next day, like we have this big drive coming up, like a four where I would drive home, and I'm like, i gotta go to sleep now. The campsite, like the campground we had, it was right on the bend of this of this brook and it was probably like nine ten feet wide where we were the brook, and it was fast flowing water, so you know, it was something you could rock hop across because there were boulders, but it was nothing I didn't want my son to get next to because of the rook, you know, for his age and the way the water was moving. I'm like, you can't go next to

6:30 this, because on the other side it was just wilderness. So we were on the out like right on the edge of the where the campground ended. So that night, I'm just I'm listening. I'm laying there. I'm listening to the water, you know, I'm listening to all the crickets. You know. You hear like little mice, you know, the little mice going through the leaves. You know. I'm listening to that. And I'm like, man, I'm like, I have to go to sleep. So I'm just laying there on my back looking up. All of a sudden, I hear this impression stop going across the tent. Now. At first, like when I heard it, it scared me. It scared the crap out of me because I'm like, who is this jerk messing with me and my family in the middle of the night. I thought it was you know, I'm thinking it's a person just messing with us, like a drunk camper messing with me, putting his hand across my tent. So you know how nylon is loud when a tent is loud when you rub against it, And that's what startled me. But I was able to pick up the impression of the hand, probably by the door of the ten Now, this tent was a big tent. It was like an eight person ten. It's one you could stand up and walk around in. So we had all our stuff on one side of the tent. I was in the middle. It was my girlfriend and my son on the end of the tent. So my feet were at the door of the tent. So when I saw or the impression above the tent,

8:01 because I could see, you know, like I could see the digits going across, and I'm like, I go up on my elbows and I'm watching. I'm about to get up. I'm about to get up, and I'm about to open the tent. I'm gonna see who is this jerk messing with me? Who is this jerk trying to scare me in the middle of the night. So as it made it across the tent, I'm going to unzip my my sleeping bag. And as soon as I started to do that, I hear a growl. I hear this, this growl. It was the deepest growl I have ever heard, I have ever heard in my life. It went from a growl, a guttural growl, to a grunt.

8:43 And when that when it did that grunt, man, my ear lobes vibrated like it vibrated my body to where I I dropped right back down. I dropped right back down. I put the frigging pillow over my head, and I just I was so confused. I went from being angry and mad I wanted to confront this person to be like, after I heard that grunt, I'm like, that's not a person. A person. A person cannot do what I heard. And it was with such ease. It was just it went from a I heard the breath, the breath to the growl to the grunt. So it was just seconds, you know what I mean, It was just seconds, But I was I was so I was so confused.

9:35 Just I was confused. I was scared and I just I just I fell right back down. I put the pillow over my head, and I just I waited. I waited. I was so scared because I didn't know what what would do that. So my first motion was like I'm gonna turn and I'm gonna look. I'm gonna see if it woke up my groun. And then they are heavy sleepers, they will sign asleep. Now people ask me like, well, was it loud, And it wasn't a loud It wasn't a screen. It was just a very deep guttural growl to a grunt. And it blew my mind that it could vibrate me like that, because that's never happened to me before. The closest thing I could compare it to is going to a concert. You get to that front row in front of a speaker, and you got that guy. But blah blah blah. I'm on the base and it's rattling through you. That's the closest I can I can tell someone what that feels like. And after that happened, like like I told you, I was listening to the crickets. I was listening to all the little animals. After that grunt, after that vibration, it went dead silent, would no crickets. It was dead silent. Where I couldn't.

11:05 I couldn't. I didn't. I couldn't. I couldn't move. And I don't know if I couldn't move from the fear or if it was from that that rattle in my chest, that vibration, it was something that it was. It confused me so much. They stayed sound asleep. They would sound asleep. Now after that, all happened and it went silent. I just laid there. I laid there and I couldn't move. I just I didn't want to move. I didn't want whatever it was. I didn't want it to know I was up. I didn't want it to come back. I'm thinking of the direction it was going. It was going in the direction and if it came back, my son was on the end of that ten I'm thinking about that. This is all running through my head. I'm thinking about I don't want this thing coming back, you know. I'm trying to think of animals, what animals could do that, because that's my first instinct.

12:09 Bigfoot was not not even in my mind. It was nothing I thought about at the time. It was. It was. It wasn't even a thought. I thought it was in the Pacific Northwest. I'm like, if there's one, there's one in the Pacific Northwest, that that's what I thought. It was. Just it was. It blew my mind. It just it blew my mind to where I didn't feel safe. I didn't feel safe till I started getting light out and I finally was like, like I finally had that sense of relief. Like the bird started chirping and I finally felt I felt safe. I'm like, whatever animal that was is definitely gone by now, because it's been hours. It was hours I was laying there, and I remember that morning I was so close to just I was so close to saying something took to my girlfriend. But I didn't want her to say, oh, it was just a person, because it wasn't a person. A person cannot do what I felt with that vocal. There's no way that the effort, it was an effortless grunt, and it was the deep. It was so deep. So I remember after that, like I got out.

13:33 I went outside the tent that morning. Now I'm on no sleep. I'm on no sleep. I didn't know what to look around for. You know, I wasn't sure. But we were rookie campers. You know. My coolers were out, like our everything was out. Our marshmallows, our marshmallow sticks didn't touch it, nothing was touched, nothing was moved. And I was so confused, Like I'm even looking on the ground we were on. It was a hard, gravelly kind of hard dirt, hard gravel. I looked around for like I first thought bear, because I couldn't. I hadn't.

14:13 I couldn't think of any other big animal in New Hampshire that could do what what happened. And then I'm really I'm starting to think about it. I'm like this, a bear is not going to stand up on a time legs ruggets pour across my tent right without putting a frigging hole in it with its claws like it baffled me and I'm like, there's no way a hole is going to make that that vibration, like I've never heard of a bear doing that, And it bothered me the whole ride home. I was just so close to just saying something, but it was I kept it to myself. Now, I kept this to myself for eighteen years. I told nobody, nobody. It was just a heavy weight that was on my shoulders for all these years of just not knowing. Now. I remember for a couple of days after we got back, I had such a hard time going to sleep because it was all I was thinking about. To where I finally said, Brian, I just forget it, man like, just forget it, like you're safe, nothing happened, your family's fine. Just forget it, man like you don't know what it was. So for years years. Man, I didn't I didn't know. I didn't know until Monster Quest comes out two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, so we're talking five six years. I had this weight on me. And when they talked about the

15:45 John men Zinski tent encounter, now I'm getting goosebumps right now just thinking about that. He was messed with in his tent. Now, he just did an interview about a year ago on another podcast where he went into great detail, great detail on what happened. His tent was wrecked. His tent was wrecked, it was pushing down on it, and he saw the silhouette though he saw the silhouette when he got out of the tent in the in the in the tree line. That got the ball rolling in my head. And then Monsterquest does went in New York does the White Hall. They did a New York episode. They're talking about the guy that felt the vibration that even his pant leg like he felt the vibrations in his leg, and it just everything everything came rushing back to that night in the tent for me, and I was like, oh my god, I'm like, maybe that's what happened to me that night because I was I still didn't have any answers to what happened that that night. And when I heard that, the wheel stock going in my head and I'm like, oh wow, But I still I still didn't. I wasn't for sure, I didn't tell I still it was something I still just kept to myself. Then finding Bigfoot, like we just said earlier, goes to wat goes to New Hampshire, and I'm like, oh, I'm like, I gotta watch this, Like I gotta watch this.

17:18 I gotta see what they say because I'm not gonna not finding the Bigfoot. It was a great It was an eye opening show for a lot of people to show what is really going on. I loved when they talked about the town hall meetings. I loved when they talked about people's encounters and going to the sites and showing where the encounter happened. And one of the guys they had on was a guy that was camping out in his tent on Cherry Mountain. Now, this Cherry Mountain is right next to Mount Washington, which is right next to where I was camping. So I'm starting to connect the dots. I'm starting to connect the dots. I'm finally I think I'm only getting some answers to what happened to me that night. So when he told said that he was getting he was getting sticks, branches, rocks thrown at his tent until he was scared off the mountain. He was scared off the mountain.

18:14 Something scared him off the mountain. And I was like, oh my god, I'm like that. I'm like, I think I had a similar thing happened. It wasn't rockstrown against my tent, but it was finger Like, you know, it's been twenty years, it'll be twenty years this August, that tent encounter happened. It feels like it just happened yesterday. Man, Like I can just I can just look. I can just close my eyes and I can just picture the impressions going across man and then the power of the vocal is just It's something I've had some I've had a few traumatic things happened to me. But the one I think about the most and when I think about every day is that night the tent man. Because I have not since this has happened, I have not been able to camp alone.

19:10 I can't I can't camp alone. I can't go out in a tent by myself. You know, me and my dog Chewy. He is on every adventure with me out in the mountains, and I need to go to a tent site. They have these tent sites in the White Mountain National Forest that you can stay in. You pay the pay the caretaker a fee. It's like fifteen bucks a night. You get a little tent platform. But there are other hikers there. I am fine with that. I can. I can. I can camp with other people. I can stay out with other people alone in my tent. But if I am out there, I can't do it. I have chickened out twice trying to stealth camp on one of these hikes, and I'm just like, now, just go, just go to the tent site, man, Like I wasn't red. I haven't been ready to do that until this year. I am finally going to try to do that. But we'll get into that story a little later. So that was like twenty fifteen, two thousand and sixteen. It was one of finding Bigfoots last seasons when I heard this. So for me, since then twenty eighteen, I started getting into hiking. I did my first mountain, of which I said before Mount Washington with my girlfriend and I instantly, I instantly fell in love with mountain hiking. I love the the quiet, I love the solitude. I'm one of those hikers. If I have the trail to

20:41 myself, like and I have a mountain peak to myself, that's that's my lottery, that's Michael get there. There's nothing more than I like than having that to myself. So for me, it's the solitude of the mountains. It's it's the reward at the end with the epic views. So twenty eighteen, I'm going on this big hike. Like after that Mount Washington, I had to look up. I'm like, what other mountains can I do in that area? So I find out there this list called the New Hampshire forty eight. Now the New Hampshire forty eight is forty eight four thousand foot peaks in New Hampshire that you can, you know, just do as a get your little reward and get a little patch at the end when you finish.

21:27 You know, I'm like, oh, that is great, That's something I could do with my dog. But you know what I'm gonna do. I'm going to document every hike, so I have a GoPro for me, and now I have a go Pro for my dog, Chewey, so I put a go Pro on him. I gotta go pro. And I'm just I'm vlogging as I'm hiking. I'm you know, it's I don't have it on constantly, but clips of just perfect views and where I'm at and what I'm doing. And we've been doing that for it's so five years now. But yeah, so we finished, we finished the forty eight in twenty twenty one.

22:08 Um, but now I've gone on to you know, hiking Vermont and Maine and all up in these these these areas that there's not a lot of people. You're talking. Maine is the it's like the percentage wise most forested state in America, like forested population absolutely, Yeah, And along with Vermont and New Hampshire, those those those if you want, if you want solitude, you want you want to go hike and be and be in a quiet area where there's not a lot of rural or a lot of people. That's where you want to go. New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine. So twenty eighteen, we're doing this big hike. Now, this this hike is called the Pemmy Loop. Now they call it the Pemmy Loop because you're in this section of the White Mountain National Forest. This White Mountain National Forest is eight hundred thousand acres of it's a massive that's that's massive. Like it's it's mind blowing. It's it's a lot of land. And you have these pockets here and there in New Hampshire where it's just protected forest. There's maybe one trail going in. You might have a trail a few miles away, but it's just you in that trail in rugged wilderness. Now, the one thing I want to say about how rugged it is in in New Hampshire. I mean, they don't call the Granite State for nothing, you know, I mean

23:41 it's granite, it's rock. I mean your your feet doing a big high. You're by the end of that hight, your feet are junk. You know, you're carrying a big multi day pack, like a forty pound pack over mountain peaks. Now, this, this pemmajerwaset It's a big thirty one point five mile hike over thirteen mountain peaks. Some people do it in like a day. The nuts, the runners, those those maraths, like those those you know, ultra marathon people will jog it slowly and we'll take them like sixteen hours. We do it in a day and a half. We're pretty fast hikers, me and Chewy, but we'll do it overnight. We'll stay at a at a campsite, and then we'll finish it the next day.

24:27 So I'm on my way up this this trail. Now, this now, this section of the pema Jawast Wilderness. It's forty six thousand acres of the eight hundred thousand acres of the White Mountains. It's the biggest area of the White Mountains in one area because it's broken up through the state the White Mountains. So we're on this track. I'm like, we're going to bang out twelve thirteen peaks. I'm like, this is great. So we're on our way up. To go into this this area, you have to you go into the Lincoln Woods. Now this Lincoln Woods. This is this bridge you walk across, and once you walk over that bridge, over that Pemmi, that Pemmi River, it's just you in the wilderness. There's no cars that can get in, there's nothing, it's just pure solitude. Now this Lincoln, this Lincoln, this Lincoln Trail, this Lincoln Woods Trail, it breaks up to this Lincoln Brook Trail and Franconia Brook Trail. We're taking the Franconia Brook Trail up to the one section to go to do a whole full circle of the mountains. Because the mountains it's like twelve mountains in a big circle and in the middle is the Pemmi Wilderness. It's just where no one goes. Nobody goes, you know what I mean, there's no trail going right through it. So it's it's it's four is that there's not there's some

26:03 people, there's places that people haven't even gone in there, you know what I mean. Oh absolutely, man, it's yeah. You know, I grew up in um in western Massachusetts, in a town called Northfield. Oh yeah, and so my father was big into the outdoors and I hiked all of Connecticut in Massachusetts on the Appletion Trail with him over the years. And I know exactly these areas you're talking about New Hampshire and listeners need to know this is nothing to mess with at all. This area that Brian is talking about is life or death type stuff. And honestly, yeah, unfortunately that there have been a lot of deaths on Mount Washington. Oh yeah, they have a list up when you get on the peak, you go into the conservatory and they have a list of all the people that died. And even just in the White Mountains alone, we had I think four deaths this year of you know, you could be at the bottom, you could be at the bottom parking lot, you could be in shorts and a T shirt.

27:15 It'd be, you know, high fifties. You get up into the five thousand foot elevation range, it could be a white out. The weather changes on a dime up there, and if you're not prepared and you venture off trail just a little bit and you and you get lost, it's going to be very hard to find you because you don't have cell service up there. Um, if you don't have if you're not prepared with like a beacon or I carry a garment with me. I carry a satellite phone just in case. Unfortunately, we had a nineteen year old to pass away this year. You know, she was trying to finish her forty eight and she had like eight mountains left and she just she just lost her way on a place I've been a few times and it's easy to miss where you're gonna go and end up in a gully and then you're you're lost. And unfortunately she she died on her birthday. So it's stuff that happens in there. If you're not it's just a lack of preparation. And like you said, it's it's nothing to mess with one thing, because you could go four or five yards off trail and sometimes you have trouble finding that trail. Again, it's happened to me a few times, and I am so lucky I carry a garment that has the map, has the satellite map, and I can get back on trail because there's been a few times where I'm like, oh, no, humble trail. So we're going up this this, this Lincoln Brook trail.

28:49 Now you're pretty much following Brooks for miles on these on these trails, and you're in a ravine, uh, the ravene in between these mountains, and I'm going up this trail. And it was in July. We're doing this hike. Um, some of these some of these trails are in very very uh it's like you're going in a tunnel, you know. It's the foliage is so thick. It's almost like you're in a tube of a wave. It's just that thick. I'm walking. I'm laudid huh. It's this is my second time filming, okay with a GoPro, and I'm just going along.

29:32 I'm got chewing on the side of me. And as I'm walking on this trail about nine feet up for me, this branch shakes. It's scared the crap out of me. As soon as I saw out of the corner of my eyes shake, I just did a one eighty man and I go back about thirty forty yards. Okay. I gathered myself and I got my goalpro out and when that happen bent everything from two thousand and three just rushes back to me. That that feeling of being scared stiff. It just that it brought back that night the tent to where I was so confused, I was so scared, and I'm like, oh my god, I'm like, I'm gonna see it, like I'm gonna see this thing. I'm finally gonna see it, like I'm getting my answers. I'm waiting for like two minutes, man, two minutes. I got the GoPro going. I'm just standing there just with the GoPro choo on the side of me, and all of a sudden, you know, I'm still seeing the rustling, and I'm like, oh my god, all of a sudden, this big frigging moose comes out onto the trail. That's scary, though, dude. That's people don't understand how scary that is. And it wasn't a little moved. This had

31:02 a full rack. First time I've seen my moose, like in real life besides on TV. This is the first time I've seen moose. I went from like pure like almost glad because of what I thought it was because I was scared man, to almost like, oh my god. I'm like, is this thing going to charge me? I'm like, they doo, yeah. I have no weapon. I carry a tactical knife. I don't have a gun. This thing is just out on the trail and just eating the vegetation. So that's what I was doing when I saw the branch shake. But I couldn't see a damn thing. That's how thick the vegetation is.

31:45 So when people say, oh, how come moose like a sasquatch, how come you know something eight feet tall? You can't you know you can't see it, dude, Go into the White Mountain National Forest. Go when it's full folio. You can't see three five yards in, you can't see. I couldn't see a freaking twelve hundred pound moose. I couldn't see it until it came out onto the trail. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm still I'm there, scared, I'm still filming the damn thing. Now. I looked down at my dog. Now, what I have to say about Chewy because it comes into a factor later on. What's happening? Was out there any squirrel, chipmunk, dear anything, dear and lower, He's gonna chase.

32:34 He's gonna be line it and he will chase. I will stream at the top my lugs. Chewy. There is no He's just it's like a shark. It's like a shark sensing blood. He's just bose. He was more scared than I was when that moose popped out, Like he didn't he did not want to move. I was on that trail man for three or four minutes, not moving. Wave that damn moose to get off the trails so I could keep going. The thing is I had to drag Chewy now he has a harness on him, and so I am dragging him to get by this moose, which was probably by the time I got by the moose, it was probably about fifteen yards in. But I'm like, this is my chance, this is my chance to get by this moose. So after all that happened, my adrenaline is crazy. It's just my heart is like I was so thankful nothing happens, Like I don't know anything about moose like the rut, you know, like I didn't know, like, oh, you didn't know anything about moose staring. Oh that's horrifying. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know, like I'm not gonna make noise to go hide behind a tree because it's just got to knock that freaking tree right down coming at me. Just there's still still still. I was so scared, man, So after that happened, all I could think about. All I could think about was that night in the tent and what happened to me that night. It brought back that fear, that that fear of being scared

34:07 stiff to where I'm like, oh, I'm like I remember when I finished that hike. Man. As soon as I got home, I was never a YouTube guy. You know, I was never a tech guy. I didn't start watching YouTube till twenty eighteen. I never got into it. So I'm like, I gotta find answers. I gotta find answers. And what happened to me that night? You know, because the shows gave me you know, like I said, the light bulb went off a little bit with with those monster quests and finding Bigfoot. They got thinking about that. So I go home and I put in New Hampshire Sasquatch and Coos County wood devil pops up. I'm like, oh my god, I'm glad we're going here, because I was like, I'm gonna I'm really curious if he's gotten here before. I'm glad you're bringing this up. Dude. When that popped up, I'm like, man, no, no, no, no, no no, I'm like sasquatch. Little did I know back in the lady eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, when they were encounters, back then, they didn't call them what we called them now. They called them wood devils, wold devils, and Harry Ben and I that sent me, dude. Anyone knows who gets into this sasquatch realm, you go down that rabbit hole.

35:34 I went down that rabbit hole man, and I was just Sasquatch Chronicles pops up. Oh yeah, Chronicles didn't know what it was. Yeah, And then I saw listen to a couple episodes. I was hooked. I was hooked. I was listening to it at work all day. I had my earbuds and I'm listening to sasquats Chronicles episodes. I went all the way back to episode one and I just listened to all of all. And then I'm hearing I'm hearing all these similar encounters. I'm hearing these the tent encounters in New Hampshire. I'm hearing a woman's tent encounter in her yard in New Hampshire, camping with her kids, whereof they a juvenile sasquatch was running and went along the attent and rubbed across the attent and I was like, oh, I was like, oh my god. I'm like the I was like, It's happened to other people. But I'm finally getting these answers. So wow.

36:37 So that was twenty eighteen that happened, and it didn't it didn't, you know. I still didn't say anything to anyone because it's very taboo up here in the Northeast. Absolutely, absolutely, dude, And that is a big problem up here. You don't hear a lot of you don't hear a lot of encounter people don't tell what's going on. For one, a lot of it happens on private lands. Like I've talked with Alex Pettacough and another buddy of mine and Evan, he goes by New Hampshire Sasquatch. He's another guy that collects he collects eyewitness data on encounters and they've collaborated together, him and Alex, and they have a map of these cluster areas in New Hampshire where there are these these encounters and sightings and it just blew my mind.

37:30 It blew my mind. And like I said, I'm doing a lot of these hikes in this wilderness, and this one hike comes up. This hike is called Owl's Head. No, that sounds really familiar. This Owl's Head is in the Pemmy Jawassit Wilderness. Okay, this is a seventeen point to mile hike. You're going just to get to the base of the mountain. You're going eight miles into the wilderness. So I'm taking that same route. Like I said, I took the Lincoln Brook Trail on that Pemmy loop and the other trail when you very off to the left is the Franconia Broke Trail.

38:17 Yeah, so I'm on that Franconia Brooke Trail going up to this, going up to this owl's head. Now, this owl's head. This wasn't number forty three for us on the New Hampshire forty eighth. So I was getting close to the end. I was doing a lot of hiking around that time, twenty nineteen. I really started really just every other week, and I am just going and I'm banging out mountains and I'm banging out mountains. This is the one no one wants to do because, let alone, it's a seventeen point two out and back hike, but it's a viewless peak. There is nothing to look at at the top. So it's it's one of those like, uh, like, let's just get it out of the way.

39:05 Now. It's turned out to be one of my favorite hikes because what's happened. But so We're on this this, this, this Franconi Brook Trail, and I'm about three and a half miles in you come to this, Uh, it's a pond. It's called Black Pond. So I take this. It's a bush whack I could take to save me like point two miles. It was point four miles total to save to do this. Brian, that's the start to a really bad story. Okay, So I'm gonna bush whack in the middle of the Pemmy Wilderness. It's it's, it's it's it's a fairly okay. It's a trail that a lot of people use, but they don't, okay, paint it well. So you do have the foot traffic to way, you can follow it pretty pretty well. But I mean gorgeous, gorgeous area. I'll send you a picture of it. It's it's a beautiful area. It's a pond in the middle of nowhere. Like glass, you know, it's like looking at glass and you get the mountains coming, you know, the mountains in the background, and you get in the mountains on the water. Just a beautiful area. I'm like, oh, go to perfect spot for me and Chewy to have a water break. Say where I'm at with my GoPro and stuff and what we're doing and we'll just get back on this bushwhack. So now when I'm on these hikes, like Sasquatch is not in my mind twenty four seven, Like I'll listen. I'll listen to a podcast on the way up, you know what I mean.

40:28 I'll listen to a story on the way up. It's it's once you get into that mode of hiking, it's it's not thinking about that stuff, you know. So we're about halfway down, halfway done with this this bushwhack, and uh, I'm just going laid now. What I want people to know is like I'm not filming constantly anyone that has a GoPro. Those batteries do not last, you know. So I'm just I'm doing highlights of the high Like a few minutes here, I'll see what I'm doing, a few minutes there, you know, I'll turn Chewies on. When we're at like a peak, I'll put Chewies go Pro on and get his point of view. So we're on this path and all of a sudden, I hear this wow wow wow, wow wow wow. Six of them, six of them to where my eyes were flinching. I was flinching. It was that loud off to my right, like like that like someone banging a hammer and you don't know they're going to bang the hammer and you're next to them, and you're like, you're like that, You're like flinching. Yeah, I was so confused. The first thing I thought of was woodpecker. You know, you you first you think of the first animal that can do that, that is that comes to your mind. I first thought woodpecker, and I'm like, like, that can't be a woodpecker. That's not enough to make you flinch like that. Though. It's way too loud, it's way too hard.

41:52 It was very hard and fast, and just six of them twelve to fifteen seconds go by. Then I get six knocks to my left, a little further away, a little further away, and I was like, oh my god. I'm like it just happened over there, but a little further away. Twelve to fifteen seconds later, I guess six knocks way off to the front of me. At that time, I pop on my goal problem. I pop it on. I'm like, holy shit, I'm like I just heard knocks in three different directions. I'm saying, what's going on. I'm so used to doing it on my hike stat It's to me, it's like my goal problem. I'm talking to a person that is like my safety valve.

42:43 You know what I'm saying. I'm out of here by myself. You know, I'm going out to these places. It's just me and the dog. So that's kind of my lifeline. I kind of look at it. So I'm saying, what's going on. I mean, I'm f bombing. I have it all, I have it all on my I have an old on camera, you know what i mean. I'm saying what happened? And I was just so I was so confused, and I was like, oh my god. I'm like, I'm hearing knocks in three different directions six, six and six. I'm like, that's that's It's not an echo. I'm like, it's not an echo. So I do my thing. I'm walking on the trail. It was a few minutes. I have to go pro going, so I put chews go pro on and I'm like, I gotta see. I gotta see if it happens again. I was in that area.

43:32 I was probably like it was like ten fifteen minutes. I'm going. I'm just I'm kind of I'm pacing back and forth. Man, I'm pacing back and forth. I'm looking around and it's quiet, you know. You hear the occasional bird, you know, but it's just quiet. I'm watching my dog. I'm seeing how he's acting, and he's sniffing around and kind of looking around, but he's not on the high alert. So I kind of was like, oh, I'm like okay, So I say my goal pro, I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna keep on going. Shut my GoPro off, dude. Ten seconds later, six knocks again to my right. O. Man. I was like, I was so afraid and confused, because it's never I didn't put any stock into the knocks.

44:22 Ever in these stories where I hear these guys banging on tree, I'm like, what are you doing? Man, I'm like, come on, like you're banging on trees. Until it happened to me and I was like, oh my god, I'm like, what the hell is that? And of course, in the back of I'm stocking to think sasquatch. After the six knocks, three knocks to my left, same distance a little further ways as the ones prior, and right at that moment, I felt like I was in a crossfire of communication. That's that's what felt like at the time, and I I was so I wanted to see what was doing it because the ones to my right were the closest, and those are the ones that kept going first before the rounds again, but after the three to the left, three to the freaking front of me, the ones that were far away, it happened again. Three so six three three. On that second round of Knox GoPro goes back on. I'm like, it just definit happened again.

45:34 Now, anyone that wants to watch this, I put it up on my channel like it's just raw and unedited, and me, oh yeah, no, it's gonna definitely be in the show notes. It's it's I mean, it's it's a required I sent you a few things. Yeah, that's one of them. That was one of them. And I got so scared because I don't know what those knocks mean. Man, I do That's the thing no one does, right, No, So when I see these guys knocking, I'm like, what are you doing? You don't know what that means? Yeah, man, I'm going out with guys that like to knock, you know, And I get scared. We may knock because I'm like, dude, you don't know what that means. Man. You can have as much fun as you were up banging on that, but you don't know.

46:21 Because when I'm going out on like these researching, you know, investigations with Alex and stuff, I'm not a knocker, man. I am one of those guys who want to sit and be quiet and just let nature come to me, you know what I mean. Let let them, let the curiosity come check me out, don't. I don't want to. I'm not swinging anything, man, because I don't know what that means. Well, as all this is going on, I'm like, oh my god, I'm like, i gotta call Alex. That's awesome. Yeah, totally. I didn't know who to talk to. And I'm gonna skip back a minute because the first time I came out with my story of what happened to me in that tent, it was like a month after my dad died. I was I was in such an emotional state. That was December of twenty twenty, and after that happened, I'm thinking about this heavy weight that's been on me with this, this this tenth thing. Because I kind of had a clue what it was, but I still haven't told anyone it. And I remember going on a winter hike and I was just so ready to just I needed to just I need to just say it. So I had my go pro.

47:43 I just started filming myself as I'm hiking on this winter hike about what happened to me in that tent. And it was like a sixteen seventeen minute video of me just it was my first time ever it coming out of my mouth. And I felt so good after finally saying it, even if it was just to the camera. Man, it felt so good to say it. But it was something that I sat on. I sat on it for a month. I didn't post it on my channel. I waited it because I didn't want you're saying it's very taboo up here. I didn't. I didn't want to get that look. I didn't want to get that look like all this guy's freaking crazy, you know, like viewing this crap he doesn't know.

48:28 I didn't want that for my family, you know what I mean. I didn't want that. I didn't want to be let down, do you know what I mean? I didn't want that negative feedback from it. You know what I mean, oh, I get it because I grew up first twenty years of my life. We're in New England, and it's like it's a lot of there's an unwritten thing where it's like you just shut your mouth and yeah, and if you're you're not the guy that starts talking about stuff. And I wasn't in the big footback then. It's like I heard maybe one thing growing up about something weird, and it was like about Koi dogs. It wasn't big Foot old timers on a porch talking about Koi dogs.

49:13 If you get but I totally am with you. Man Like in that area of the US, you just usually don't open your mouth about that you don't and especially that you don't like I said, you don't want to, you know, I don't want to tell my you know, like my mother or my girlfriend and have a look at me like like that give me that look. I didn't want to be let down. So when I'm like you don't want, I'm like, I'm going to upload it onto my channel and I'm gonna see if someone will reach out to me to see what to see if I could have someone to talk to about it. So I put it out and then I finally I shared it on social media. I put it on the Sasquatch Chronicles fan page on you on Facebook. Yeah. So I just got this outpour of comments, positive comments that I was like, Oh, it felt so good finally to have other people share their stories with me that I've had something similar happened with feeling the vocals or people from New Hampshire that watched me and be like oh my god, like I didn't even know what was going on up here, like people like I was like, oh, like, it was such a weight being lifted off my shoulders after seventeen years of not telling anyone. So I get this instant message from a guy I

50:45 didn't know, and he's like, hey man, he's like, I just saw your your your post on Sasquat's Chronicles. He's like, I'm from New Hampshire. He's like, I make a lot of documentaries, mostly on cryptids. It's like I do a lot of local stuff. He's like, if you ever want He's like, if I if you could, uh, you know, fill out this information like an encounter so he could keep a record of it. And I was like, oh sure, man, yeah I could do that, But first I wanted to look him up. I wanted to see who this guy was because I'm not I don't want to be ridiculed. I don't want to I don't want to be like like it's a trick, you know what I mean, like I'm getting bamboozled or anything, you know, Like Alexander Petacov, I'm like, who is this guy? Sounds weird to me, right, So I'm looking him. I see his profile with his camera and he's you know, and he's and I look at his stuff. He's like, yeah, I'm a local docum, you know.

51:38 He's like, I make a lot of documentaries. And I was like, oh wow. So I looked at all this stuff and I'm like, oh wow, he is legit, like he really wants to know. And ever since that day, like we we had that connection with the Mountain Hiking because he's done the New Hampshire forty eight as well, and I was like, oh wow, finally someone I could talk to about this. And of course everyone now in the YouTube world who list follows the Sasquatch, you know, rabbit Hole, knows who Alexander Petacof is. Now I would hope that everyone listening knows who Alex Peacock and if you don't, you really need to bye bye. I have a few links in the show nos, just in case that one person doesn't know that different. So yeah, yeah, because there's there's something me and Evan found, you know last year where we had to call Alex for help on this and it ended up being a multiple monsters.

52:37 He ended up doing up Beyond the Trail episode without what we found. So but we'll get into that a little bit later. Yeah. Um, so I talked to him and he's like yeah, He's like, oh, I have this uh, this Sasquatch out of the Shadows YouTube channel that's you know, before that's before he hit like the let's call him that celebrity in the Sasquatch. You know. Yeah, people might not really so that's true. People might not realize that he has an amazing YouTube channel with some of the best big Foot themed interviews that exist on YouTube. He does, and I'm counting everyone like, yeah, it is a great he I mean from Meldrum to Breed, like he's had everyone on there. And Alex is very articulate, he is very good with his words. He's great interviews, great, just a great guy all around, you know, I always tell him, like, Alex, I just you know, I just talked about you again, like you know, like yeah, I'm like guy, nothing bad buddy, you know, Like but you know, I am so lucky that he reached out to me, because what a ride it's been since we've met, and I'm so lucky to have him as a friend now. And man, what a what a great guy. And uh yeah, anyone out there I would, I would, yeah, go onto his He's not on the Sasquatch out he doesn't do anything much with it anymore because of the STM. He

54:12 doesn't do anything on the Sasquatch out of the channel. But there's still all that great content. We're so good, like his first documentaries, you know, like it's just really good stuff, just down to earth stuff. It's just like watching it Beyond the Trail app pretty much. Yeah it really it really is. Yeah, it really is. So now we'll get since now I said, who I was texting while all this is going on? Right, I have no service out there when those knocks happened where we are, We're four miles into this hike where there is nothing else out there, no service, But I am texting I must have been. It was so long.

54:54 I'm sending him everything that's gone, so you're texting him without service and then when you get okay, I guess right after everything happened. I was there for probably fifteen minutes. I am just writing this whole story of what's going on. Finally I get to the base of the mountain, after all this has happened. Um, it finally goes through. Wait a minute, what I'm like, Alex. I'm like, I'm in the Penny Wilderness. Man. I'm like, I just had some crazy shit happened. Man. So I'm like, I will call you when I get home. I called him the next day. I called him the next day and I told him what happened. He's like, dude, He's like He's like, man, He's like, you know, if you want, Brian, it's like, why don't you come on to my show and tell your story of what's happened with you? And I was a little hesitant at first because, like I said, I've talked about it one time and I was to a damn camera, like I never talked with people, you know, with with to another person, and I was like, you know what, I'm like, I'm getting all this positive feedback from my from my post. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like, oh, come on man. So his podcast was the first podcast I really started to listen to, like the live streaming right and he had and you know, one of the first ones I watched, he had Doug Hicheck on. I mean he had Doug Hicheck on twice.

56:27 So everyone, I really all the information I got out of that those two shows with Hicheck, Oh my god, Yeah, what a wealth of information. Like I was like when I went out, I was like a kid in the candy store. I had so many questions in the live streams. I had so many questions and Doug was answering them all, and I was like, oh my god. I'm like, I wish I could have found this sooner, but I am so thankful that I finally found this. So we started talking about this. I'm like, maybe these these sasquatch have like kind of scent gland because you hear some encounters you smell nothing, and you have others where they smell this stench. So I threw that question out there and Hicheck was like, yeah, He's like, I believe these things do have like some kind of gland that they can let out this almost like a defense like a skunk duals as a defense mechanism. I was like, yes, I'm like, maybe maybe it could either all in the South, maybe they smell a little more because of the different temperatures, the humidity and up the north it's not as bad up here and you're in the higher elevation.

57:37 So maybe that that's something. Because that night in the tent, man, I smelled nothing smelling. All I could smell that night was you know how the like I said, I was running water, that wet smell, you know, that misty smell. That's all I smelled that night. Man. So but that that got that was very interesting for what mister Hichick said. But you know when I went on alex to show and I started telling them, you know, what was going on and everything I've had. Other stuff happened a week later on, after all those knocks happened and I did that that hike, I'm like, I gotta get back out there. I have got to get back out there. The next weekend and I went back out into the same wilderness, that same Pemmi wilderness, and I wanted to do You could do the Pemmy loop, like I said, it's a thirty one point five mile totally like, or you could do a semi You could do a semi Pemmy loop. You could do half of it because there's a trail that runs all the way up that thirteen Falls trail is what I took when I saw the moose. You could keep taking that straight up and you could just cut that Pemmi loop in half. You just do half of it.

58:54 My goal was to go knock a couple more mountains that I didn't get. I'm like, I'm knock those two off, but I'm gonna make I'm gonna make it worth it and do a semi Pemmy loop. So I'm right back out there next weekend. Man. And what was great about this weekend It was Memorial Day weekend. Okay, it was the end, you know. And what was good was that it was the long weekend. But what sucked is the weather. The weather I knew the next day on my day two hike was going to be sixty percent rain, forty to fifty mile an hour winds by June. So by now, so I knew that next morning I really had to hustle to get out of there. So I'm going back down and it's starting to rain, extremely windy. The good thing was that because the weather was so bad, there weren't a lot of people out. So, like I said, I love when I had the trail to myself, no matter what's happened, I still love it. We're going down this thirteen false trail again, and it's it's right me where I had the moose encounter, you know, two three years prior, you know, and I'm like, oh, this is great. Like I'm going down this corridor of gain that that that that tube of a foliage, and when I'm getting to the end of these heights, it's kind of when I'll stop. That's when I'll stop looking around, you know what I mean. I'll watch my dog.

1:00:22 I'll see how what he's looking at, you know, if he kind of perks up and looks, I'll look what he's looking you know, because I know my dog so well, right, and I'll know what he'll chase and what he won't chase. So I know, if it's anything bigger than a moose, he's not moving, he's high, he's gonna hide behind dad, you know. Yeah, So we're at the tail end. Then it's raining on and off, and I'm walking and we're kind of like this this muddy area, very muddy from the rain, and it was kind of like a little swampy area and I'm looking off the embankment and it was just this smooth as peanut butter, uh like a like a quick mud. It was a very big area and it was just so smooth, but it was just weird, like big circular impression in the middle, Like, oh, that's odd.

1:01:20 I'm like, what was that? Because there was nothing else within twenty feet of it. It was just this perfect like I said, smooth, smooth as ice, but this's just this big at this big impression, circular impression in the middle, and I'm like wow. I'm like, I'm gonna try to get up and take a picture with my camera with my home. I'm gonna go near the embankment. I'm not going into that quick mud because if I go into that quick mud, man, it's like that lift your boot up, you might lose your boot. And I didn't want my dog from my dog follows me everywhere. I'm like, right, he carries a pack. I don't want him going into the mud and getting it all. I keep my video equipment some of my stuff in his pack as well, so I could just hurry up and grab it. Yeah. So he's off to the side of me, and I got this forty pound pack. Now this is day two. This is two weeks in a row of long hikes.

1:02:09 I did the Owl's Head the week beef prior. That was seventeen point two. Now this one is over twenty miles, but I went over six peaks, So I am I am physically exam man, Like I remember at the end of this hike, even though I'm kind of looking around for tracks and just looking like just being aware of my surroundings, like I am just I am so fatigued, like on this I remember this was like the worst ending to one of my hikes because I am fighting fighting. Every step is just like ah, And like I said, you're carrying this big pack and it's just I'm like, I still have another six miles, you know, at least I'm back onto the flat. So as I'm going out to get this this photo of this, this just to it could have been anything.

1:02:58 It could have been like an animal that from a tree branch and just right into the middle. You know, it was just around and I wanted to just try to get a photo of it. Now, as I'm doing this off to the diagonal, like off to the right, I'm hearing bipedal footsteps, Like really, that's wild. Oh wow. Now I'm out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, you're way out there were your miles away from everyone. Man, six miles away. Now, anyone that's listened to this right now, I highly suggest go on Google Earth. Put in Owl's Head.

1:03:39 Okay, you're gonna see the Lincoln Brook Trail and the Franconia Brook Trail, and you're gonna see the Pemmy Wilderness. You're gonna see how far out I was on this Franconia Brook Trail. I am six miles away from my truck. Okay, the the only the closest trail to me was three miles way off to me to do the Owl's Head at least three miles. So I'm like who the first thing, I'm like, who the hell is walking off trail on a day like this in the middle of nowhere. As I'm hearing this and I make a movement down to look, it stops. The steps stop. I look over to my dog to see what he's doing.

1:04:32 Now, Like I said, when Chewy sees an animal, darra loa, he's gonna chase that friggingt thing. He is just staring to the direction I heard the steps and he's not moving. Man, he is on high alert and he is not moving. So what I stopped doing. I have the like these these evergreens in front of me, and then there's like this is like a nice open area and then more trees scattered. I'm going like this, I'm rocking looking in between the trees like this seeing I don't know why I started doing that. I think it was I wanted to stay quiet.

1:05:15 I didn't want to keep like pittering around. I wanted to see if I could see what was doing that. Wow, I'm like, that's not a freaking person. Chewie is not a people person. If he sees a person, he's gonna growl or he's gonna be like he's not He's not gonna run up to a human, you know what I mean. But he will growl at the person or someone's gonna say, oh hey, you know, could you put your dog on leash? Or if it was a human, you know, what I mean to just stop and not move any blow. So as all this is going on, I am frozen now my dog is off leash. Okay. I want to bring up this encounter that Evan told me about because through through me telling my story, Evan reached out because he heard what happened to me with the vocals and he had something similar happened to him with the vocals where he thought it felt like a cat was purring on his chip, on his on his neck, that's how he was his vibration.

1:06:19 So we had me and evn't had that connection and we and when I came out my story, we have become very close friends talking. You know how it is when you talk with your sas Watch buddies. You could talk. Oh yeah, totally And I'm sure a lot of listeners get that for sure. Yeah. I've talked to this guy for hours on all the encounters in New Hampshire that people don't want anyone else to know. Yeah, a lot because it's on private land people don't want to mess with. But he told me this one. It's on Instagram. I highly recommend anyone that is interested in this story go to Hampshire SaaS Watch on Instagram, he puts out, He'll put where the encounter was. He'll have a picture of where the encounter was, you know, from Google Earth, and he'll have someone illustrate what happened, you know, like a drawing of what happened. So he's telling me about this one that happened on a Mount Cabin. Now Mount Cabin is the furthest four thousand footer, the northernmost four thousand footer in New Hampshire because then you have Vermont and then you have Maine. So when you're up at that peak on Cabin, you're looking at Vermont, You're you're right on the border. Okay. Now this Mount Cabin at the base of this where you park is the New Hampshire Fishing Game Fish Hatchery where they do all their fish

1:07:49 spawning, free food for wildlife, you know what I mean. Oh yeah, no, that's perfect. Now this area is thick, so thick of vegetation. It looks like now if anyone has not been to Vermont, it's the maple trees Deloire. Okay, greenest, beautiful, beautiful area. I mean, when you are you want to see green. If you can't go to Ireland, go to Ramma right, it's gorgeous, especially in the fall. Vermont is gorgeous for the fall foliage. It's like it's it's like the forest is on fire with oranges, yellows, reds. But this woman is doing a mountain hike, a sunset hike up to the cabin on mount Cabin.

1:08:33 There's a cabin you can stay in in the peak. I've never done it, obviously because of what's happened to me. Alex has stayed in that thing Pedacoff. He stayed in that overnight and he said, if you don't mind mice, He's like, it's a great scuse the solitude. Oh, it's funny. Yeah, So he's telling me. This woman goes with a dog, a shepherd, a German shepherd like chewy, and off leash, and the dog was ahead of her. Now she's going up to this this this cabin to catch the sunset. Now when she notices her dog stop and look at the tree line and it's growling. The dog is growling at the tree line, and this woman's like, you know, trying to recall her dog. Dog won't move. All of a sudden, this big creature comes out grabs the dog. Now, this woman goes in shock, like fear, your fear. Now her dog is yelping, okay, yelping with the with the thing with the creature has the thing in its arms. I hate telling this story, but it's because of what happened to us with those footsteps.

1:09:45 I gotta tell it. The creature just snaps that dog's neck and walks off with it. And she called the cops. She called the cops. Then what happened? And of course this is what the cops said, Oh, it was probably a bear. It's probably a bear. I was like, she told Evan what it was. You know, she's like a sasquatch came out, grabbed my dog and broke its neck. Now she was hysterical. Okay, when I hear that, because I'm always hiking alone with my dog, I don't want anything bad happened to my best buddy, you know what I mean. Like he has been on every hike with me. He is with me every day. You know, he's he's like my he's like my son for crying out loud, you know what I mean. I don't need anything bad happened to my dog. So when those footsteps stopped, when we're on that trail. I got really scared. I got I got really scared. I got scared for my dog. I was scared for me, but I was scared. I didn't want anything bad happened to my dog.

1:10:56 So I go like this to the dog. I didn't want to a huge noise because I wanted to I wanted to see if I could see what was making those footsteps. I'm like, He looks at me and then stares right back to where we heard that, and I was like, oh my god. I'm like, something big it's there. Because, like I said, if it was it was an animal. Like I said, I heard the bipedal. There's a big difference between two steps and a four legged creature. You know, there's more this was. It was clear as day, and because of the rain and it was muddy, you could really hear footsteps pretty good, especially when you're out in the middle of nowhere. It's so quiet out there, you have none of that ambient now sound, so you could hear it and clear as day. So I'm like, oh my god.

1:11:48 So as soon as I saw him look back, I went right over to him man, and I latched him up. I latched him up. I waited I waited now during this whole ordeal, like I said, this is the end of our hike. I didn't have my goal pro going. My goal pro was dead. It was raining in that state where I didn't care. I'm at the end of the hike. It's raining. I feel like crap my feet, my feet or beat from from these two long weekends of hiking. Like I had nothing left in the tank, nothing left, and I was like, oh my god. But it was that feeling. And this has happened to Alex and one of his buddies on one of his hikes. It's that feeling of being watched. Oh absolute, I've been there's so much. I don't exactly what you're talking about, dude, I don't know.

1:12:35 There stands up. Oh yeah, And it's almost like it's like I felt like, pray, it must be way Like I think of a bunny rabbit, right, and this maybe the big bad wolf is there that instant like that sixth like that sixth sense. I think we all we all have them. We all have that, but we lose because of technology. We kind of lose our senses, do you know what I mean? We rely too much on certain things. I think personally, I think we'd lose touch with that. And a lot of these outdoorsmen, a lot of these people that are out in the wilderness a lot, I think they kind of their senses get heightened. So I think of all the hiking we've been doing for all these years. I felt like someone who was watching me during this whole thing. Like my arm hair was raised, I had the goose bumps, my neck hair that tingling. You get that tingling sensation over your body to where like I am being stoked. A something is just watching me. It's not moving, it's not moving. And I told people how thick vegetation is.

1:13:53 Now a lot of people are gonna say, why did this guy just go and walk in and see what it was? Right? Yeah, you're going to understand something when you're out on the wilderness and you're alone and you don't have a weapon. My only weapon is a freaking six inch knife That isn't going to do much any big animal without me having to get really close, you know what I mean? Absolutely, Yeah, here comes over you. It's like a blanket, it just washes over you. I was scared for me, I'm scared for my dog. I don't want anything bad happening, But that freaking encounter that Evan tells me is in my head. At that moment, I was so scared. Jeremiah. I'm like, I'm leashing up the dog and I'm getting hot of here. Man, it's bad, you know, with all this shit that's happened to me, especially that night in the tent, like I want to see it. I want to see it, but I don't want anything ruining my love of the wilderness. I don't want anything to ruin what I'd love to do. I'd love to go with my dog and I love to hike. I love to be alone out there and hike. I don't want anything bad happening, and that that that Mount Cabot encounter just sticks in my mind on every hike now when something weird goes on, I'm like, I don't want nothing happened in a Chewy.

1:15:16 I latched him up, man, didn't do anything with the go pro. I'm like, I am not changing the batteries. I am not doing what I did the week before and say, oh my god, this just happened. You know. I don't want to be that guy that just keeps puts out stuff but doesn't get anything, you know what I mean. I don't want to. I don't need to do that. I did it already. I don't need to be like, Oh, they're gonna think this guy's bullshit. And you know, so probably for that ten to fifteen minutes, man, I just kept turning and looking behind me as I'm walking because I just had that feeling of being watched, you know what I mean. And I know exactly where it happened, you know, and I I haven't been back there since this happens, um, but want to go back out there this year, you know what. Evan wants to go out there with me, so um a little spoiler alert, UM, I know, Alex, we're going to be playing in a trip up to northern New Hampshire to Colas County, home of the Wood Devil, and man, yeah, and we're gonna do it. He'll do it beyond the trail episode on Coas County and and out there. And that's probably the last time I'll tell my encounter, you know, because iode, Yeah, that'll be my last a lot because this I told my wife today, I'm like, you know, this is probably the last live stream I'm gonna do telling my story. You know, I've told it enough, like it's out there. But there comes a time when

1:16:47 you know I've said it enough, you know, like it's it's ran its course for me, Like I've I finally come because for years, man, after that tent and count, I'm like, man, I'm like, I wish I could have just opened up that tent and peeked my head out. But you gotta think, like a lot of people probably say, why did this guy just open the tent after all that happens? Like you don't when you hear something you don't know what it is and it's the middle of the night and you're with your family. I didn't want that thing coming back, man, Like I didn't know what it was. I didn't want to coming back. But I finally come to terms with I was so frozen in fear that night. I don't know, Like like like we were just talking about before with you had Martin Groves on recently, and man, I was listening to it today actually before this episode and and and he's talking about the vocals and a word for word. It was like I was telling it you like the same exact thing happened to him in his and I was like, oh my god, like the guttural growled right, he heard that. Now, I don't know how loud it was for him. I would love to talk to him sometime about that, you know, because we share that connection.

1:18:13 And I love talking to other people that have had a similar experience to me, because man, I have talked about like six or seven people that'd be like, yeah, like I have felt that vocal. Some people have heard it from like, oh it was. It was. It was far away, but it was a stream. For me, it was it was the depth of it. It wasn't loud. It wasn't loud. It was just a just a breath like a and then into a grunt and then it's going to run. But man, it vibrated me. It vibrated my ears, like, oh my god. Like to be able to share that with someone else who has had that, it's just like I still get a rush.

1:18:55 When I heard it. I couldn't believe it. I'm like, oh my god, I'm about to talk to Jeremiah about this. You just you just heard it the last week. It's very weird. Yeah, no, then it is now now where I now I hear it and I'm like, oh, there's another one. There's another one who that we share the same encounter. So now after all that, after going on alex a show, after having the footsteps, after the relief of getting out of that area, because I didn't feel safe, man, until I got back to that Franconia Lincoln Brook. You know, it took me back onto that logging road, that Lincoln Woods, that that took me to the end. And I was just a sense of relief. But it was like, oh my god, I'm like, this is such a hot zone now where we are in these ravines.

1:19:48 It's it's just it's it's brooks that flew for miles. To me, that's like that's that's a wildlife highway. Follow the water on all these high So I'm going into this penmy, you're following the Brooks man, You're following these intersecting brooks all the way from miles and miles so to to to me, the power lines, uh like brooks streams. To me, that's like a that's like that's a Sasquatch highway, you know what I mean. So, after all this this stuff has happened, and you know, I've told a couple of people and I've made some new friends about it. Um, what me and Evan wanted to do. Uh, because his encounter I'll go into it real briefly. It's a quick encounter, but it's it's why we you know friends. Um. Hiss happened in twenty eighteen, in November.

1:20:47 It was Thanksgiving night twenty eighteen. He is driving on this road in central New Hampshire and about I think it was a month prior, he had lost his best friend in a car accident, somebody grew up with. So he was very depressed, very emotional, and he said what he would do at night. He would just go for these rides on the back roads of New Hampshire. And this was a snowy night. Um. He's got his high beams on a lot of these roads in New Hampshire, very windy dirt roads.

1:21:29 So as he's coming around this bend um his lights. He thought it was reflectors on a tree because he's coming up on it and he sees the big amber light of reflectors and as he's getting closer, all of a sudden he sees an arm go up over it. As he sees the hair on the tree on the arm, and he sees the snow beads on hair. Wow, what I mean? And he pulls up and his high beams are shining right on this thing. He stops his vehicle and the thing is is right from him fifteen fifteen yards. He saw everything. I mean, he knew it was a male. That's how much he saw everything. And this thing we went when we went back to his to his encounter spot just this last year, it was about eight feet tall. Because what's cool about he knew exactly where his encounter was is when the snow plows go by on these roads, they get so close to the trees, they lead divits from the plow hit in the tree. You know exactly where the spot was because there's a big divot. So he said, the creature looked at him when he stopped the high beams around this sucker. He's in a little ultimat he's in this smaller and he could a flip my car. He's like, let it

1:23:02 looked at him like with this look of disgust and let out this puff. He probably thought it was probably like I hear that. I hear that so many times. You don't even know, Brian, I heard that same exact thing. Sorry to interrupt you. But it's like, oh no, I've heard it a solid four to five times in interviews where it's like and it's like we heard this, like this huff, like there was a disappointment or like disregard. It's the weirdest thing that people bring up. Dude. He said it was like apparent looking at their child, like yeah, wrong. That fascinated me. Now. He said he saw the puff because it was so cold out. He saw the breath, the puff of air come out, and he said it just turned and walked away, and he was so effed up from that. He was like, oh my god, I'm like I just saw I just saw a sasquatch. He drove away, Man, he drove away. But that like knowing that just the way he tells it an encounter, and how much it like it affects him to like he doesn't want to stay out at night like camping. He can't. He has to stay in like a van if he's going to stay out. Like it affects It affects a lot of people. It affecting me where I you know, I still can't camp alone, you know what I mean? Until this a couple of weeks ago, I was going to try it until Chewy, you know, I was out with Alex. We're going out on to do an investigation out in Alex's hot spot where we started to go back to his The first beyond the Trail episode was called Granted Estate Bigfoot exactly. That is Alex

1:24:39 is when the pandemic was going on, he was going every day to this spot because there was nothing else to do. He would go out there, shoot guns, do whatever, go out there research before we even knew about the guy that was having all the encounters out there. And Alex has had some some weird stuff happening out there as well with some knocks. So he's like, hey man, He's like, you want to go, you know, let's go back out to my to that spot and uh, we'll go do a couple investigations. It was actually a night that we were all on the phone that night. Yet that night, I don't listeners are gonna have to just imagine HERM won't even bring up Tate. That's that's sorry, guys.

1:25:25 You have to use your imagination of what yes for all those ways. For anyone that knows Tate Aeronomus, Yeah, gotta love Tate. You cannot not like him. You know, he's just a great guy. He is a funny guys and PBRs. So we we're on. So we're on that night we were right, Wait, I gotta tell Brian. I'm sorry, I gotta tell you something. So this is how much like this lady comes up to me at monster Fest and she's like, Oh, I have to tell you, like your show is. I love it, keep doing it, this is amazing. I'm like, oh, this is a great thank you so much. I'm getting his feedback. And then at the very end, this lady says, but what's the deal with Tate and all the PBRs.

1:26:14 Like that's the funniest thing because like she's super like, like she gets like the in joke. It somehow went through the waves and she latched onto it. And I'm like, he just really likes PBRs a lot. That's all I could say. But if we're going to throw that in, let's say we're all in a class. Takes the class clown in a good way. Totally is a great way, in a great way. Yeah, nothing but love to take he knows he's just a great live. But that's where we've we've gone out a few times, and just two weeks ago he's like, hey, let me go back to our first overnight out there. We're walking the power lines. Okay, we're walking the power lines and just rained a couple of days prior. So we're looking for tracks and we're going through the least path of resistance. Let's walk those poderlists because those power lines go through the state of New Hampshire. It is a highway for wildlife. So we're seeing all these different kind of tracks, you know, we're picking up moose tracks here, you know, anything, deer tracks, everything, everything.

1:27:18 So we come across this track way three nice tracks, big pretty big size. Man. Alex did a three D scan of it. Really yeah, really intriguing stuff we found that night. We can't say as sure, but the three D scan he did on the phone that app you have with your phone at home to see the impression down and it's just it's shaped like a it's a it's a someone had a big foot, you know what I mean. Three, So we caught three of them. So like, oh man, I'm like, we got to go back out here again and walked in stay out of the power lines overnight with with the therms you know, so that's cool. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So we had just planned it was two Thursdays ago, two weeks ago. We're like, yeah, hey, man, let's go out there and get them powder lines before I leave for Alaska. I'm like, let's do it again, right, So we go out. Of course I got Chewy because Chewy is our he is our sixth cents out there, like, Chewy loves Alex and we always take him on our investigations. M dog is a great tool to have because just because of how they how well their senses are. So five minutes into our investigation, we're trying to get We're walking through the thick stuff to the power lines and we see a couple porcupines scurry up the tree like we're filming the porcupines. Of course, Chewy was the one that chased him up the tree.

1:28:49 I have him off leash. He chased him up the tree. Dude. I'm like, let's film this and then I'll latch up Chewy. Because there's a lot of porcupines out it's this for some reason, this year, there are a ton of porcupines up in the northeast. Yeah, a lot of them this year. A lot of road kill just because there's so many. So I called Chewy. I'm like, hey, Chewy. All of a sudden, I hear I hear him yelp, and I'm like, oh no, man, I'm like Chewy, here comes Chewy quills and his nose quills and his snow quills and his mouth. I'm like scary. Oh, I'm like, Chewy just got quilled. So we drove a hundred miles to go for five minutes in it's in the power lines and Chewy gets quilled and take him to the r but he's you know, it was a long night.

1:29:41 But he's fine now. But we didn't get to walk those power lines yet. So he's like, he's like, as soon as I get back man from from Alaska. So it still has to happen, okay, wow. Yeah, And that night was the first night I was going to stay out in attend by myself. Wow. So that that was the night I was going to come over my fear of going out because he was going to stay out and do a night investigation. Him and his brother Luca. We're gonna stay out, go home because Ale it's only lives a half hour away from his hot spot. And I'm like, hey man, I'm like, I'm gonna stay out here. So I'm like I'm ready, I'm gonna try it. I gotta see if I can do it. He's like, oh, what a great idea. He's like yeah, man, he's like, you can see anytime you want to go to my spot and stay, go ahead. But yeah, I got ruined that night by the porcupine. So after twenty years, I was ready to face my fear. Wow. Yeah, and it just mother. You know, the porcupine didn't want me staying out that night, so he gave Kwie some some quills. It's so scary when it happens to your dog because people need to. I don't know if everyone realizes how scary that is for a dog, because it's like the quills keep going in and they have to the vets have to pull him out, and it's really traumatic. It's got a dramatic and it's expensive. It's very expensive, totally. Yeah, that's an expensive night. So yeah, but you know, going back to Evans encounter and what happened and after him seeing

1:31:13 it, and that's a class that's like doesn't get any better than that, you know, with the detail he had and and being able to go back there, and I said, well, hey, Eaven, I'm like, you know what, man, I'm like, let's go to your encounter spot, okay, and then let's go find mine. Because it's been this happened while nineteen years. I haven't been back to that spot man in northern New Hampshire. Like I've hyped around that area of course, but I have never been back to that camp site. For one, I forgot the name. It took me so long to find that camp site and I used I used the Google Earth to verify and pictures online off the campsites. I was like, oh my god. Just this past year, I'm like, oh my god, guys, I found it, like I found it, like, we have to go back. So the plan for me and Evan was, oh, we'll go to your spot. I'm gonna film you telling your story, and then we can go up to my spot and you can film me telling my encounter. And so we're like, hey, man, we'll go to your spot first, Evan, since it's only an hour away from where we are. Because mine was way up in northern New Hampshire and his was in central New Hampshire, it's a long ride. It was like a two to three hour ride for us to go to my spot across the state and up. So we go to his spot. Okay, I get out of his van. I got the go pro going and I'm like, oh, I'm like, so this is this is where it happened, because you can see the divot in the tree. He's like, yeah, man, it happened right over there. As we're walking up to this, we see this

1:32:45 weird impression, you know. Two we came within i say, two inches of stepping right in the middle of it. And I was like, oh yeah, man. He's like I see that too. He's not looking down. He's like dude, He's like, that's a track. And I'm like, oh man, I'm like, no way. This is five feet from the tree where he saw the thing four years ago. I was like, I'm not saying it's the track from four years ago, but just saying it's insane. And I'm like, oh wow, I'm like that's interesting. Now. I'm always skeptical. At first, I'm like it was just a nice foot impression, but you could see the impression. I was like, oh, that's interesting. We stopped looking behind it. We see three more impressions in the leaves but pressed way down. Oh man, we're talking sixteen seventeen inches three of them and we're trying to step down, but we cannot get that depth. Now, Evan's a big guy. Evans sixty four almost three hundred. Yeah, that's a big guy. His foot dwarfed that foot impression.

1:33:53 So like, oh, that's interesting. So Evan's like, hey, He's like, let's go across the road and see if we find any more. You know, we wanted to go in the direction where the foot, where where it was coming from. So we had that, you know, like two crappy ones that we couldn't do anything with because of the leaves, Like it scrunched the leaves down, and there was just that that foot impression. But the one on the road hard We're talking a hard dirt road. It's not like no human can make that impression. You gotta be a heavy, heavy guy. So like, all right, let's walk across. I started to walk across. Now, Grant, I still have my goal pro going when we find this. Now they're f bomb school. I sent that one to you. I sent that to you as well, the link to you. It's great, what's great? About this. You're getting our reaction while it's happening, like it's incredible. It was the odd like I'm just so used to when I get out and I start hiking, I'm gonna I just start filming. I see right across the road, I see this impression going up the embankment of this dirt bankman that goes into the woods. I be lined right to it, and I'm like, dude. He's like, dude. I'm like, dude, we had that, dude. Yeah, it's not just pulling. There's a couple of leaves on it. Okay, he pulls leaves off the top of it. He's like, I see toes.

1:35:17 O'm like, god, I lost it. I'm like, we felt like we could see the toes. That's wild. It was wild, dude. It was so wild. I'm like, now I'm not because I am in this state of jubilation, I'm not paying attention to Chewy. He is whining. You'll see it. You can see it in the video. He is yelping and whining like he doesn't do that. It's not a normal thing. He sensed something, whether he could smell whatever, I don't, but his reaction was just crying. And whining for so long, and I didn't pick him on and pick up until after when I watched the footage, I was like, oh wow, chew, he's acting. We but we're like, we gotta call Alex. We hadn't had like this three pound bag of of like quick mix class and I'm like, dude, I'm like that's not enough, man, if we want to get all these So our first thing is we gotta call Alex. We gotta call Alex. He'll know what to do. He'll know what to do. So we call and call and called no answer. We're like, he could be anywhere. It could be anywhere filming. Yeah, called back like twenty minutes later, and we tell him what's going on, and what's great is we have it all on film and we're like, dude, we found a track, like we found a passable track. Way. He's like, no way. He's like, hey, listen, it's gonna take me two hours to get there where you go from where I where he is to to the to the location. He's like,

1:36:48 I'm gonna stop by home depot. I'm gonna get a big fifty pound bag of plaster. He's like, how wow. Two and a half hours, dude, in that two and a half hours, Okay, it was like a movie. Okay. Now, when we found these tracks, no one, no one drove by, not a person walked by. Nothing. We are right, We are probably probably about two miles three miles from the state park, paw tuck Away State Park. Yeah, paw Tuckaway State Park is now we know it is a hot zone for activity. So I'm like, you know what, Evan, I'm gonna go down because where we found the first set of tracks, at the bottom of the hill, there was a huge pond, like a huge, huge pond. I'm like, I'm gonna see if I find any more tracks. I go down there, I find piles of turkey feathers, really turkey feathers ripped, I mean ripped in half, piles here and there, turkey fas. I'm like, Evan, I'm like this turkey feallas everywhere. Man. He's like no, I'm like, dude, I'm like they everywhere. I'm like, I'm still rolling, I'm still rolling with the go pro getting it all. And I'm like, oh yeah, man, I'm like, something killed something down here. So I'm looking around down there for tracks I didn't I couldn't find any more tracks because there was so much leaf down there. It was very hard to find tracks.

1:38:18 But while I'm down there, Evan yells truck no here. It comes to this truck man backing up with a with a boat at going right towards the track, and like what do you do? You're like, yeah, dude, I run up. Evan is standing there like a dick. He isn't moving. It's like these guys are pulling up on their boat. They had to stop. They had to stop because they weren't going any further. Evan just standing man. Man, I run up, Man, I stand right on the side of Evan. I got chewy, like I got him so tight to me so we won't step on the track. Like yeah, And these guys are like they're probably looking at us, like what of these guys do? Yeah, they're not moving. Like these guys are digging the boat off the trailer. It's like a little like just a little boat.

1:39:16 They could take it to the pond and do their fishing. We didn't move. It was to the point where the boat almost hit me when they take it off the dude, I'm not moving for you, buddy, Like like there almost comes a time like, are we gonna have to tell these guys like did you say did you say, hey, I got a big like you just didn't even broach it being so close to a buddy. We got a potential sess sessquatch here going around, you know. But we didn't move. We did not move until the guy we we tent, the guy who's like, hey, when you get into the water, we have our buddy on a kayak, could you let him know that we're here waiting for him?

1:39:59 We want it was like the only thing we could think of, Like Evan thought of that, Like just when you see how buddy in the pond, did you tell him that we're up here waiting for him. We've been here a while, like we were just playing dumb. You know, I want to tell them. I didn't want to get that look or like, you know, didn't want anyone else to know what the hell we're doing. So they got out. Lady Daddy DoD it's been about an hour and a half. We're still waiting for alex Man, and we're like the nerves of God, like I the adrenaline and the nerves all of a sudden, Okay, here comes this guy walking his dog on the other side with a toe where we got the good one on the embankment, that good track way, just that beautiful one with the toe impressions like he's going right towards it.

1:40:50 His dog starts barking and lunging at my dog. We are across the road. He comes this dude, his dog came within probably two three inches a stepping right into the track. It was like a movie, and I couldn't believe what was going on all it was like you couldn't write a better script, you know what I mean. And that guy has no idea what's going on, no idea. And after that we put a backpack near it, you know what a good idea. People wait from it. But finally Alex rolls up. And of course Alex, of course, he was of course skeptical before he even saw anything. You know what I mean, these guys, you know, what are the odds of these guys find in this way Evan Handris encounter and then he looks at him and he's like this is pretty crazy, man. He's like, this is pretty And it takes a lot to get something like that out of Alex. No, no, it does.

1:41:46 It really does Yeah, good thing about Alex. He doesn't have Bigfoot on the brain when he goes out there. You know, he's always skeptical of everything. First, but when he started saying, hey man, when he stopped swearing, and he's like, this is pretty interesting. Man, it's like this is pretty interesting. And but the one on the embankment, he's like, guys, he's like, I don't think I could do this, Like I've never I've never cast it up on an on an angle like that. Wow. Yeah. He's like, you mind if I call Cliff backman, that's awesome. Yeah, give me some pointers. Yeah, that's so cool, Like, yeah, go ahead, you can call Cliff. Yeah, so here I yeah, with the go bro right next to his phone, he calls us Cliff. Cliff answers, He answers. After a few roads, he's like, oh, hey Cliff, sorry to bother you, man, but I kind of got I got a potential track way here in New Hampshire. We're trying to you know, cast on an embank man and just hearing Cliff's voice, you know, because I was that guy from Finding big Foot and I always loved Cliff and Bobo, you know what I mean. So to to get the pointers from him and what to do.

1:42:54 It was just oh, what a great experience. Man. It was just so cool to to be able to cast the tracks. And that track Way was the last one we cast it out of all of them. Wow. And while Alex is casting it, he's running out of mix. He's running out of mix. He's got about he still has to get the toes. I'm there, man, I am so mad. I am glad he showed up. But I am so mad that he didn't mix enough. He started scraping it out with his hands to get it every little bit he could, man, but he ended up getting We ended up getting the track. We got, We got the toes. Alex. Alex has the cast, he's got it nice set up in his house and a nice glass case. It's just a nice MOMENTEU to everything that happens. And he's like, hey, guys, He's like, would you guys want to come back up here, like in a week or two and do an investigation. I'm like, hell yeah, man, like definitely. And that led into doing to be on the trail episode on the track Way, and it was exactly so fun have an Eli come down and uh, Carrick. Saint Laurent came down. Oh so nice. He's he's a really cool guy. Yeah, man, we had we you know, it rains, you know, during it rained both days we did our investigation, but we had the night time to where it

1:44:26 didn't rain. It got to go out and we had some stuff go on. Um, but we're thinking it, like we heard a blue boop splash, like very loud blue boop splash, and it was just, you know, we come to the fact that it was probably beaver tail. It was probably beavers doing that right. Well, what happened on that second night, and it was probably two two thirty in the morning, Evan and Eli were by themselves on the power lines and we were over by the there's a side trail you can go down. You can parallel each other one on the you know, we got one group there, another group here and see if we could either flush anything out or whatever. And on Milwaukee talkie they're like, you guys. Evan and Eli are like, are you guys over near the entrance because we're seeing a light and we're like, no, man, we're way down. We're way down, man, none of us have lights on.

1:45:26 He's like they saw like a possible orb, like they had something fun to while to where Eli they we're trying to recreate it with the flashlights. We all met up after that, we're trying to recreate with and like no, like that's not it, man. So something weird happened that those guys Evan and Eli saw that. They they can't explain it, but they're like, yeah, it was like this white light floating across and went behind the there was this sign. It was the sign to the entry of the trail, and they're like and then it was gone. I was like, oh, wow, that's that's interesting because I wasn't a big orb guy, you know what I mean, But you hear a lot of stories with people seeing orbs in the woods sometimes, so they saw something odd. They talked about it a little on the documentary, but there was nothing we could recreate.

1:46:16 But it was just it's just a very interesting area. And you know, like I said that where we found that trackway a half mile down the road was the power lines, those lines that run from miles and that thing that that direction the prince, that that where it was going. You go through the woods, and then a little bit after those woods you come up onto the power lines, so like oh wow, like what a great area. But man, it was such a great experience, you know what I mean, to be able to go out with those guys and see how they do their thing, that kind of thing. I learned so much from Alex every time we go out, like he's like, oh, well these are way porcupines burrow And sure enough we go up to this spot and there's a bunch of porcupines. S guy and I'm like, oh my god. Like every time I'm with that guy, like, I always learned something. So it's it's it's he is such a very down to earth, just a nice I have never met a nicer person than ale It's petakoff. I can't like what you see on film is how he is all the time. It's it's the same thing. Like people need to realize that. It's it's a it's not a fake thing like that him. Yeah he what you get what you get with him, He's the same all the time. Such a nice, nice guy. Yeah, what a nice what a nice guy. But yeah, man, that was that was you know, That's that's what's happened to me

1:47:47 out there though, with the knocks and and those those footsteps. That's that's wild I have. There's one question I have about the initial tenant situation. And I know this is this is like twenty years ago or more right, it's a long time ago. But the one thing that I kept coming to mind when you were telling me that is, um, so you're inside the tent and you can see something running, you know, across the nylon. Right. Yes, at first I heard, I'm like, what is that? Now? You want to say? This is seconds? Now? Like I said, we were in a big tent, so it had to go across far because, like I'm saying, three of us fit on one half of the tent and the other half was like all our clothes, all our stuff, you know what I mean. So I had enough time to hear it, and then I picked up the impression. Now you see me going like like this all the time. I'm telling it, right, That's what I saw. So that's that's the question I had is did you see actual fingers? Yes? I saw my fingers how big? I mean, this is what got me because what I said, at first I thought it was a person because I saw the finger impressions. It's when everything changed at the end of the tent. It didn't growl, it didn't take the breath and

1:49:18 growl and grun till after the impression went across. It was about eight feet away when I felt that grunt, okay, eight to ten feet away from going from my right to left, and then it was my girlfriend and my son on the outside of the tent. The direction it was going, that's what scared me. I didn't want it coming back to my son's side of the tent. Yeah, laid there still. I don't know how long it was till I actually freaking moved. But my first movement was looking to my left and seeing if it woke up my girlfriend, and she sound asleep, and I was like, oh shit, And I waited, dude. I laid there and waited, hands like this dude pillow over my head and I just waited to hear if I would hear anything else, because I didn't know, like take sasquatch out of the realm, I didn't know what it was.

1:50:20 So I've come, like I was saying before, I have finally, after years of fighting myself saying Brian, like, dude, why couldn't you open that tent? I was so afraid I couldn't freaking move, man, I physically couldn't move after that grunt because it's something I have never heard. Besides, if you go to the circus and you're close to a lion and you can hear, you can you know they give off like that vibration exactly, no lions in the north, there's no lions up there ahead. It was the digits. That's why when I said bear at first, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm like, we're ripped through my tent. A bear's not going to go up on a time legs. Miss the you have a cover on your tent and your strings come out into the ground. Miss those have the intelligence to miss those. Okay, wow, that's that's wild. So you could see the actual fingers, you could probably could you tell like how big the yeah hand ish was yes, yes, because it was fat. They were so fat, Like the impression. It wasn't like it was grazing gently, man, right, Okay, it was like pressing in. Wow, pressed and across. I'm not gonna say violently, but aggressively, very aggressive to where it scared me.

1:51:46 I'm up on my elbows watching that sucker go across about to get get up, and it's thinking, I'm thinking of the noises I was gonna have to make to get out of my sleeping with the zippers. Yeah, to them to unzip that big dome freak and pop my head out into the pitch. Black man, No way, no dude, Yeah, I would have. It would have been saying, I mean I would have made the same call like there's there's no way, like and there's no way I would have been able to do that. And here's another thing and I and I've talked about this with you know, I've heard a guy that it took him fifty five years. This guy seventy two, Okay, took him fifty five years.

1:52:30 And I what I share with him is that it felt like it just happened yesterday. When you said, oh, it's been twenty years. I don't know if you I can remember it like it just happens, wow, Like it's it never leaves you. So in a way, I feel like I'm cursed, But I also feel lucky because that doesn't happen to a lot of people. But that those years of not knowing, but to be able to tell my story like it just happened yesterday, right, it's so fresh in my brain. It's never gonna leave me, you never, like I will never forget that night. I will never forget it. It's something that you know. I've shared it enough. Um, but man, yeah, my memory is as clear as day when it comes to that night, man, and it's it's it's it's definitely. Uh, it's definitely an experience, Brian.

1:53:35 That's that's in that whole, that whole I mean, it's it's a whole adventure, your whole story and think between years. Amazing man, thank you for sharing all that. Uh. I would highly recommend people listeners to subscribe to Brian's channel so that you can fall along with everything he's posting. There's some really cool stuff on there. There's gonna be plenty of links in the show notes, But do you mind spending in a few minutes, Brian to share just any way that people can keep up to date with what you're doing. I post all my hikes, all my investigations. I've just posted a I think the last two months all I've been doing is going on investigations with Alex and stuff, but I posted them. We've gone to the Freetown State Forest. That's a whole another episode, man, I with fifteen minutes from there. I'm fifteen minutes from the Freetown State Forest. So I took I've gone in there with Alex three times. We've taken a guy that wanted to you know, because there's a lot of right, it's a melting pot of everything in the Freetown State Forest, from murders, co ghosts, anything you are into, sasquatch encounters. Is that's part of the Bridgewater Triangle.

1:55:05 Absolutely, So that is a whole another episode. Man, So rarely is it? I mean, that is That's some wild, wild stuff, dude. Wow. But what's great about that is we go to all these famous locations and I have it all on my channel. But my channel is Brian and chewego hiking. That's all it is. And I'm a small channel. I'm not I don't promote my channel. You know. I started my channel when my dad, we know, for my dad, my dad lived in Arizona. He was a hiker. I lived over here. I'm a hiker. I would share my videos so he could see that. That's really cool. Yeah, that was my whole you know, that was my whole start to this YouTube thing. So I could share my stories with my dad.

1:55:45 Little did I know, you know, other people like watching, you know, hikes and getting information on mountains and hikes, and that's that's mostly what I do. But I lately I have been putting the investigations in there and it's it's pretty cool. I enjoy doing it, and I enjoy sharing where these locations are, just so people can see we're talking about, because that's the most important thing to me. I want these people to go on Google Earth after this episode look up where I've been talking about, and you're gonna be like, oh wow, that's forest and there's no cars going in there, there's no roads. So that's where these suck. To me, my opinion, in these deep areas in the whites, these are where these things are hiding, is where people don't go because, like we were saying, you go off trail a little bit and you lose your way nine times out of ten, you're not gonna find your way out. Oh no, you're not. So yeah, that's in my opinion, that's where these soccers ares where people aren't going to go much, and that's where I want to try and go, but I'm not going alone. So hopefully, uh next beyond the trail at the end of the summer, you guys will see us going up to the Northern New Hampshire. And yeah, I can't wait for that one because we used to go up to Colebrook and Pittsburgh and all that good stuff. Northern New ham Northern New Ampshire is beautiful. But I can't wait

1:57:15 to see what you guys find out the Dixville notch are. Oh my god, you'll see a moose. We saw seven moose on one of our me and Evnant went on excursion to do an investigation. I got a quick story if we got time. We got a little bit of time, so I got how about this, Let's let's finish. Let's finish the episode and then I can tell you I've got moose stories and you've got moose stories, and we'll do like a Patreon moose moose. Let's do that. I haven't you have time, so I have I haven't time. Let's let's close it out really, okay, So, Brian, thank you for for chilling out.

1:57:59 I'm sorry to interrupt you. I just want to thank you, okay, because people like me that have had a hard time talking about it to just the average joe. What you do with this platform. I like, it's so much appreciated. Thank you people that have had encounters and are afraid to talk about it or just are afraid to step forward. This platform is a great platform to let people like us tell what's happened and not get that look, not get that look like look at like Latin nut, Like, oh this this guy's a nut. You know what I mean, Like you've heard enough of it. The listeners have heard enough that they know that. You know, I'm not a bullshitter, you know. I'm just telling me what's happened to me on my hikes, and and and and the areas I have going to that are that are hot zones. So and for me bringing awareness to the Northeast because you don't hear a lot about the Northeast much, Oh you don't. People don't really chat about it. So I super appreciate it because that is the main focus of my channel now is to give people a platform to share their encounters where they haven't been able to share because they've been maybe afraid or not empowered. And so then other people hear that and then they are able to connect dots in their heads or in their head or have

1:59:32 the courage then to come forward. But can you speak to the listeners for a moment, like imagine you're speaking to a person that has had something happened they haven't come forward yet, And why is it a good idea to you know, contact someone like me? And just what does that due to you as a person? You know? Why do for me? And I'm sure for some other people. Some people hold on to this for a long time and it and like I said, it is a heavy weight to carry on your shoulders if you don't know what's going on and you're looking for answers and you come to a platform like this and you're hearing similar stuff. The best thing for me was telling my story what's happening, because that weight came off of me and to get that positive feedback. And I'm calling it like a family. You get to like you can trust people that you're telling your story too. On this platform. It's just I highly recommend anyone that has had an encounter and it's having a hard time telling anyone, this is one of the safe places to tell it and and you will feel much better at getting that off your shoulders because for me, I had it for eighteen years, carried that to myself, and I am so glad I did, because I don't know where I'd be if I didn't, you know what I mean.

2:01:06 I feel so much better hearing similar encounters and just you get that validation when you hear something something similar and you're like, yeah, I wasn't imagining that shit like it happens to other people. So yeah, the best thing to do was to share your story in a safe platform. You know, yes, exactly. Thank you, Brian. If you want to contact me directly, listeners, you can send me an email. Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com is the easiest way to do that. But Brian, thank you so much for hanging out. We're gonna thank you, man. And I know sometimes I ramble on and I have to pass forward and rewind, but it's hard when you have so much to say to try to fit it all into an hour, you know what I mean, I get it, but no, I thank you man, Thank you for having me let me ship absolutely what's happened to me? Again? A special thanks to Brian Garvey from Brian and Chewy Goo Hiking on YouTube for spending some time with me on the podcast sharing his bigfoot encounters. Brian and I speak for an extra thirty minutes in Bigfoot Society off Record, which is pretty much when me and the guest hang out for an extra period of time for the Patreon, and you can also hear it on the YouTube channel if you become a supporting member over there as well. We talk about crazy moose encounters and I share a moose encounter that happened to my family up in katad And Maine when I was a very young

2:02:42 child, and it gets pretty intense, so you don't want to miss it again. You can listen to Bigciety off record by joining the Patreon or becoming a YouTube channel member. You can find those links in the show notes. Again, thank you for listening. You'd like to make a special one time donation to Bigfoot Society, you can head on over to our buy me a Coffee page and I'd like to shout out someone who has bought us a coffee this last week, mister Wayland W. Colburn his messages. I love the show. I used to listen to insert the name of another popular Bigfoot Encounter podcast, but they never have any new stuff. Keep up the good work, my friend, Well, I appreciate that Wayland. If you'd like to buy me a coffee as well, you can head on over to the show notes and find the link in there. Become a supporting member of the Bigfoot Society podcast by going towww dot Patreon dot com forward slash the Bigfoot Society and receive extra episodes and early ad free episodes as well. If you've got a personal Bigfoot encounter you would like to submit for me to share on the podcast, please head on over to www dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot com. There you'll find the share your Bigfoot Encounter for a little lower on the page, and please take a minute to share as many details as you can. Please state if the encounter is anonymous or what name you would like associated with the

2:04:14 encounter, and as always thanks for listening and real quick before we go, one last thing If you're in Iowa and you would like to hear me give a presentation, I am doing presentations at the Iarlham Public Library and Arlham, Iowa for their summer Reading program. The first one is coming up soon on June thirtieth at three pm Central Standard time. I will be doing an our presentation on how to start your own podcast. Also on July twenty eight, at three pm Central Standard time, I'll be doing a presentation on Bigfoot.

2:05:00 If you're in Iowa, you probably will definitely want to hear this presentation as be talking about Bigfoot in general for the first fifteen minutes, then fifteen minutes or so on Bigfoot in Iowa, be talking about a lot of stuff that I haven't really shared before, and then we'll see where the last fifteen minutes go. Yeah, there's some stuff bigfoot in Irlam, so you won't want to miss that. And then there'll be a Q and A at the end for fifteen minutes. But no cost for this. It's just part of the Irlam Public Library Summer Reading program Again. June thirtieth, three pm Central Standard time for the podcast one. In July twenty eight, three pm Central Standard time for the big Foot one IRELM Public Library in Irlam, Iowa. We'll see you there.