Jan. 17, 2025

I Wasn't Alone in Gifford Pinchot! | Washington

Join Jeremiah Byron, host of the Bigfoot Society podcast, as we delve into the fascinating world of Bigfoot research with Jeff Sidebottom, a seasoned BFRO investigator based in Washington state. Jeff recounts his early fascination with Bigfoot,...

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Season 1

Join Jeremiah Byron, host of the Bigfoot Society podcast, as we delve into the fascinating world of Bigfoot research with Jeff Sidebottom, a seasoned BFRO investigator based in Washington state. Jeff recounts his early fascination with Bigfoot, sparked by childhood TV shows, and mysterious encounters growing up in Kentucky, such as the eerie 'ghost woods' and unexplained skeletal remains. Transitioning to Washington, Jeff shares thrilling accounts from top Bigfoot hotspots like Skookum Meadows near Cougar, Washington, where he braved solo hikes and camped amidst chilling tree knocks. He also describes his investigations in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest and the wilderness around Bumping Lake and Rimrock Lake, noting unexplained rock throws, screams, and potential Bigfoot tracks. Listen as Jeff discusses the unique discoveries and intense moments he's experienced in these Sasquatch-rich locations.

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slash the Big For Society, and now let's get on

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with the show. The following interview was recorded on December nineteenth,

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twenty twenty four, prior to the tragic passing of two

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individuals who are searching for Sasquatch and the Gifford Pinchot

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National Forest. This episode includes an interview in which the

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guest shares experiences of solo camping and extremely remote and

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unforgiving areas of that National forest in Washington. We want

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to emphasize the importance of safety when venturing into such

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wilderness areas. Always be aware of current weather conditions, plan

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your trips carefully, and equip yourself with a proper gear

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and resources for survival. Your safety should always be your

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top priority. All Right, I pick the society. You got

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the privilege of talking to mister Jeff's sidebottom. He is

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a bigfoot researcher, but he's also a BFRORO investigator out

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there in the great state of Washington. It's privileged to

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have you on the show today.

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Jeff.

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How are you doing, sir?

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I'm doing well. I feel privileged to be on. Get

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the word out there and hopefully get something solid that

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we can get some believers out there, get something substantial

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one of these days.

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Absolutely. I love usually starting interviews like this with a

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question that gets regularly asked. But what was it that

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first got you into the field or being interested in Bigfoot?

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I was in I guess late grade school, early middle school.

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There used to be a show on TV in Search

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of and they'd do various shows like in Search of

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Noah's Ark or in Bigfoot, and I saw the in

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Search of Bigfoot and that episode just fascinated me. And

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I grew up around farms and woods. I was rarely

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in town very much. I just enjoyed being out Moore

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and just things that growing up and being out there

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that I couldn't explain and that my parents couldn't explain.

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I thought that show probably is the one that got

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me started, because it just after that. Every time I

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went in the woods, especially at night, I was looking

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for bigfoot and they're around where I was born and

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raised in Kentucky. They had legends like the poplic Monster

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and go Man sheep Man. So I was always into

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the unexplained. I wanted to know and explain it. So

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I think that show is probably what picked it off

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for me.

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So that's very interesting. You grew up in the state

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of Kentucky, which is as you alluded to, it's a

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state full of many mysteries, many different cryptids, a lot

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of bigfoot stuff. Were there any particular things you got

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involved with when you were out there looking for things

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in the woods. Did you stumble upon anything?

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There were some areas. There was an area in their

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home that we called the ghost Woods. If we'd go

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out take the dogs out to coon hunt at night,

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if your dogs got over in that area, they'd just

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stopped barking. It'd go dead, silent. And the wind would

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be blowing hard everywhere, but when you went into the ghostwood,

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it was just stone still, not a tree moving. You

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could hear wind, but nothing was moving, and you may

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or may not see your dog again. And one of

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the things that stuck in my mind. We were probably

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I don't know, sixteen years old, and there was a big, huge,

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like a thorn bush, a lot of blackberries, and there

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was a hole through it, and we took the lanterns

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and crawled in and there was a complete skeleton of

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a horse. And there were cattle on that farm, but

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no horses, so none of us knew who that might

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have been. But the weird thing about it was every

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bone on that skeleton was just white, clean white, no mode,

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no mildew, no dirt, and pristine white. And we'd wandered

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back in there over a couple of years and looked

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to see if it was still there, and it was

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and it was all still pristine white. It was like

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it was just painted that way or something. And I'd

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be curious to know how it remained like that. But

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that whole area now is under interstate and shopping centers

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and housing developments, and that's part of why I moved

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out here when I got the chance. It's more remote,

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more wilderness, and everything where I was at back home

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was just grown up and developed, but sent across some

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oddities like that. Every now and.

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Then, absolutely, I've talked to a few people from Kentucky

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in there. I was talking about Daniel Booe National Forest

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or land between the lakes, and so it sounds like

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the ghost Woods are under concrete. That's what I get.

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Yeah, Yeah, that whole area now is under Interstate two

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sixty five, and then there's a lot of brand new

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subdivisions that are in there. There were some there was

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a set of pay lakes not far from that, and

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on that property there was still a log cabin that

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was originally built when Kentucky was still part of Virginia.

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And all of that's gone. The lakes are gone, the

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cabin's gone. It's just big, multi thousand dollars homes, way

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out of my budget. It's irritating when the place you

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were born and raised in your whole life and you

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can't afford to live there now and all the interesting

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things like that are gone. Just I'd say about two

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miles from there's black Acre Farm and that was the

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oldest working farm in Kentucky. They still do demonstrations. They'll

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break ground with mule teams and there's old cabin out

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there and they do a lot of stuff. The public

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can come in and see how things used to be

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done and an interesting place to visit.

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So that was I just did a quick search on

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a map. Is that around Louis Louisville.

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Then yeah, that was just east of Louisville Blackacre And

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then that area from Interstate two sixty five was over

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east of Jeffersontown.

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So then after that you decide to move out to Washington.

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It sounds like, yeah, I moved out to Washington in

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twenty thirteen, and the first four years roughly, I was

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down in Vancouver, and when I was down there, just

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every day I had off, I was up in Gifford

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Pnchow National Forest and over along the coast and out

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on the peninsula. I wanted to spend more time over

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in whole rainforest area because that's a real big hot spot,

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and it just between work and my schedule trying to

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find time to make it worth going and camping when

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overnight or to night or wasn't going to do it

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for me. I had about a week vacation and made

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a loop all the way around the peninsula, and I

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keep planning to go back, and I haven't done it yet.

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Such a beautiful area. But was there a time when

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you first got out there that you realized, Hey, this

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place is a whole different ball of yarn out here.

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There's big foot stuff everywhere. Was there a situation you

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got yourself involved with where things just got really real

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with you as it pertains to the bigfoot subject.

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Yeah, growing up in Kentucky, it's a lot of hardwood, oak, maple, hickory, walnut,

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just all that kind of trees. Out here. It's primarily evergreen,

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and you've got some oak and things mixed in there.

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So everything backcountry survival that I knew from Kentucky I

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had to relearn out here for this area. So I'd

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be out there constantly doing bushcraft camps and teaching myself

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and learning and looking in books. And a buddy of

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mine got me turned onto the Spencer Meadow area over

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there outside of Cougar, Washington, and I got to looking

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at the map and I told him, I said, this

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just right across the hill basically from Skook of Meadows

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and that's where they did the schook of body cast,

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and if I remembered correctly, that was an all female expedition.

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So I started going up there, doing solo heights and

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solo camping up in scuok of meadows, and people were

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telling me I was crazy, and the sounds you hear

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up there would just blow your mind at night. I

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was camped up there. One night I came back up

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a trail out of the meadow up to a curve.

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I had camped in a big white area in the road,

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and I was coming back to camp and it was

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just getting dark and I looked back and there's a log,

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a big log i'd say two and a half three

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feet diameter, and somebody had saw a chunk out of

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the middle so you could walk through it down that trail.

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It ran along a creek. And I glanced back and

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there was something blocking that notch in that log, and

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it was fairly good size, but I couldn't make it

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out in that light, and I was thinking black bear.

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So I just squatted down where I was at and

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it squatted down, and I thought, all right, it was

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up on its hind feet. It wasn't moving towards me,

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and it wasn't running away, and I thought a black

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bear would do something, so I just thought, we'll see

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what happens. And I stood up and I started on

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up the hill and I turned around and looked back

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and it was gone, and I shrugged it off, and

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by the time I got back to camp it was

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completely dark. The rain had really picked up, and I

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think it was about one thirty in the morning, and

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I just had to go to the restrooms about it

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as up the pop and I thought, do I want

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to get dressed and get out in this rain and go,

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or do I want to just wait? And I heard

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this scream come off the top of the ridge behind me,

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and it was I don't know how to describe it.

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It was like a roar, but it had a higher

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pitch in there too, but it was so loud you

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could feel it reverberate. I just felt it through my

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chest and I just goose bumped up. The hair on

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my arms stood up, and I thought, that's not elk

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and that's not a cougar, and because neither of them

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are that loud. And I heard it again and pulled

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my pistol over by me closer and I sat there

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a little bit. I heard it maybe two more times,

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and I thought i'd probably be safer since I'm by

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myself to get in the car, and I was driving

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a Key of Soul at that time. So I got

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in there and set and every so often I flipped

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the wipers on and kicked the headlights on, thinking maybe

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I'll get lucky and by a chance catch something out

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in the lights. And I never did see anything ahead

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of me, and i'd step on the brake pedal and

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watched out the mirror in the back through the rain

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what I could see, and I never saw anything. And

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the next morning there's a road that goes off of

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that curve and it's gated, and so I walked that road,

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and I went up the ridge and walked along the

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about the midways up three fourths the way up on

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that ridge, and I hiked a pretty good ways, just

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sweeping back and forth, and I couldn't find a track.

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And I came back down and I drove up the

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road the way I came in, and the only road

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that goes up on top of that ridge was gated.

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So I went on and parked and hiked up and

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I couldn't find any tracks and as far as I

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went anyway, but so I know nobody was up got

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up there hiding and parked their vehicle and went up

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and messing with the guy camping out. And I thought,

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especially in that kind of a downpour, it was cold,

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it was windy and rainy, and I thought, I don't

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even think a bunch of drunks would get up there

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and do that party. But that that kind of convinced

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me there was something out there to be considered. And

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the guy that got me turned onto going over to

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Spencer's Meadow not far from there. He went by himself.

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He set up a big outfitter tent. You'd probably get

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three or four cots in there, and it's got a

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wood stove. And he said he got ready and went

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to bed, and he had no sooner laid down, he

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heard a scream from across the meadow. He said, he's

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lived out there all his life, and he's elkinded all

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his life. He said, he has never heard anything like that.

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Big for society, who will be right back after these messages?

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And he got in the truck and he sat with

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his pistol in his hand in the truck all night.

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He said he didn't know whether to leave and come

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back the next day in the daylight with help to

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get his tent and his beer, or just wait it out.

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And he decided to wait it out. He heard it

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a few more times through the night, but never saw anything.

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And after that he refuses to go up there and

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camp by himself. He said, I'll never do it again.

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He'll go if some other guys go with him, but

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he won't even go up and day hike in that area.

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And that's just that whole area outside of Cougar, Washington.

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That's also over close to Ape Caves and getting up

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toward eight Canyon and where the miners were supposedly attacked

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and rocks thrown at their cabin years and years ago.

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And so a lot of history in that area.

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The whole area between Mount Saint Helens and Mount Adams,

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just so many wild things. You mentioned the Scuca Meadows area.

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There's a little Mosquito lake has come up in a

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interview recently an a tire junction area. There's a lot

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of history. But I did want to ask you just

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for maybe people where this is new, this area is

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new to them. Why was it that people said you

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were crazy for being solo out there in Scuoka Meadows.

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Scuoka Meadows, from what I understand, the Native Americans have

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said for generations that they're subsquatching there, big boots in there,

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and the sightings and the vocalizations. I think some tree

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breaks and that kind of thing. Tracks have been found.

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They got that body cast, and I guess even some

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of the locals that are familiar with the background on

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that area, I guess they thought, you're from Kentucky and

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you don't really know what you're getting into, and you're

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going out there by yourself. To me, it's like worst

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case scenario. I can die just as easy with twenty

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people around me as I can by myself. And if

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you take the just the stats on what you hear

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on the size is a big foot, you figure what

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anywhere from eight to ten or twelve feet tall is

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what I hear all the time, and probably eight hundred

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plus pounds. You have five or ten guys with you.

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If it got mad, in reality, there's not going to

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be anything you can do.

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Yeah, and exactly people want to, people need to. It's

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going to be back and forth on this, but people

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need to realize that if it did want to take

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you out. It could take you out very quickly. It

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is a large creature. And then there's a whole discussion

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that we could have about that. But how hard is

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it to get to a place like Scuka Metal? How

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hard was it for you to actually drive up to

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that area?

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Driving up there wasn't too bad. I've gone in going

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out of Cougar, and I've gone in a different way.

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I've gone in that way. But to get actually out

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into the meadows, I found a spot where I could

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park and there was a trail that goes down along

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a creek and then when it gets back, it goes

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through a small meadow and crosses into some trees and

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it follows the creek around. There's a big tree that

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was down across the creek, so I climbed up on

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that and walked across and jumped off, and then just

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got my map wearing in it and shot a bearing

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with my compass and took off walking. And it's not

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a difficult hike. It's one you need to be careful

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on because you're going through grass that's anywhere from knee

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deep to armpit deep, and you're walking on solid ground.

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And then you take a step and your ankle deeper

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knee deep in water, or you might be like I say,

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up to your armpits or over your head in water.

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To me, it reminds me of the Everglades. You just

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see grass and even be walking along and you're in

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water or mud. Once you're out in there, there's like

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two big sections of trees, and the meadow is almost

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to me in like a figure eight shape, more or

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less more rounded, but a figure eight around those trees.

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So when i'd go by myself, I'd set trail cameras

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up along the edges of those woods, pointing outward, and

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then i'd get in the opposite section of woods across

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the meadow. I'd set a couple up pointing in and

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I'd sit out on the edge of the trees and

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I just bedroll camp. I didn't take a tent with me,

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and normally I wouldn't light a fire. I'd just sit

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there by my bed row where I could see across

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the meadow to those other trees, and I could look

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left and right and see the trees out on each

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side of the meadow pretty far across. And it's not

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a hard hike. It's just something you have to be

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careful doing by myself. If I'd have stepped off and

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turned an ankle or broke a leg, or stepped into

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something and got into some pretty deep mud, it could

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get bad. I know, grown men with guns that you say,

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I'm going to scoop a meadow and see if I

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can find some bigfoot tracks. You want to go Nope,

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and they're just not having it.

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So that puts a whole different view on it. So

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you were going to this area, not with the tent.

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You're under the stars, bedroll, camping fire. That is just

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one of the most gutsiest things I've heard in the

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interviews I've done over the years, Like that is really

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putting yourself into a situation.

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Yeah. I don't know if it's gutsy or stupid, and

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it's probably a little bit of both. To me, I

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wouldn't really call it gutsy because I'm just used to

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camping like that. I did a lot of that in Kentucky.

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We had black bear and wild boar back there, and

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the occasional skunk, and you had coyotes and bobcat, and

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the big cats out there weren't quite as big as

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the cougar out here, and A lot of the old

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timers called them ledge lions because you could be going

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along like a ridge and look up on the cliff

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and there'd be one just laying up there watching you

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go by. But you never heard of them messing with anybody.

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And so I came out here and i'd throw a

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bedroll down, or some times I'll build a bushcraft shelter

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and like a lean to or whatever. But if I'm

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just getting in and out, if the weather's not gonna

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be bad, I just throw a bedroll down and no fire.

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I'll have a flashlight or whatever, and I've got the

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ability to get a fire going, but I just don't

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because I like to see what's going to come in

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and if it's something that's going to pick up my

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scent and not get close enough to really see, at

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least I'm maybe getting it to come through that web

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trail cameras I've got out, so I've got some bear

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and kyote and cougar and elk, and I just haven't

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got a bigfoot on one yet.

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Have you ever done that type of camping without the

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trail cam set up?

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I have, and it varies in the results, and I

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really need to do more so I can make no

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on it and see how it compares from Marriott to

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area and down around Bumping Lake in Washington. I've been

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down there and had trail cameras and motion detection devices

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all around the tent, and I'll have them set up

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a half mile to a mile out from the tent.

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The cameras and then the motion detectors are set up

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in closer and won't hear a thing all night unless

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it's way off in the distance. And I can go

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out and do the same thing in the same spot

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a few weeks later and not put a camera up.

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I'll still put up motion detectors, and I might hear

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tree knocks or rock clacks, you might hear some vocalizations.

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And there were several of us down there one night

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and we're all sitting around this little pit where they

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had a fire, but there was a burn band so

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we didn't get to have a camp and it was

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starting to get dark. There were a couple of new

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investigators with us, and all of a sudden, you hear this.

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It sounded like a bear with a deep voice off

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in the distance but close enough to rattle you. A

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couple of those guys were looking around. What was that?

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Was that a bigfoot and one of the guys is

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a veterinarian. It goes out there with us. And he

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looked at me, he said, what was that? Jeff? I said,

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a night hawk? And it did. It sounded like a

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cross between a bear and a bullfrog. But it was

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fun to you could really get them going. Everybody be quiet.

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I just heard them noise. And if you're doing a

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night hike with redhead lamps or no light at all,

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if you've got enough moonlight, a night hawk, if you

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can hear one of those, it's perfect to play with

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the new guys or somebody that's never been out there

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with you. And I've got a buddy that I grew

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up with in Kentucky. We met the first day of

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first grade in school, been friends ever since, and he

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lives here in Yakama, so we still get together. But

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you get him out there at night, he's not going

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away from the truck. And if you're camping, he's staying

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close to the tent or his truck camp or you're

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not getting him on a night hike. He won't do it.

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And he's been with me when we've heard tree knocks

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and rock clacks and rocks thrown. And we were in

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a little clearcut area one night, down under the bottom

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of a hill, and there's not a tree on the

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side of that hill anywhere, and there's one scraggly dead

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tree at the top. He was standing on the passenger

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side of the truck by the tailgate, and I was

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standing in the middle of the tailgate area, in the

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rear of the truck. And I was getting ready to

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go up and get my night vision video off of

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a rock in some remote audio i'd set up. And

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that's probably twelve thirty or one in the morning. I said,

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I'm not have to walk up there and get the

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camera in the audio. And about that time, this rock

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lands on the ground, just rolls between us, up under

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the truck, and he looked at me. He said, what

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was that? I said, I don't know, a rock or

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a pine cone. He's looking back at the hill. He

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goes where to come from? I said, But didn't roll

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down the hill. I said, there's too much in the

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way to get enough momentum to bounce and get that

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much care and art coming over towards us. And I

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had another set of night vision and some flear I said,

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come on, let's go up the hill and see what

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it was. Nope, nope, my waiting truck. We hung out

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to see if it would happen again, and it didn't.

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So I hiked on up the ridge and got my

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camera gear, my audio and came back and oh, I

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had on a red headlamp, but that's all of hat on.

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And I came back. He said, you're out of your mind.

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And I said, if anything ever happens, you just keep

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videoing because it's going to look cool whatever. And there

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you go. Yeah, I would. I don't really worry about it.

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I'd rather go doing something like that than sitting on

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the couch and have a stroke. I'm more at home

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out there than I am at home, So I guess

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that's why it's not the biggest deal for me. But

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there's times I get concerned and I start getting pretty nervous,

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and I've had people with me. I'm like, all right,

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I want to see one, but right now it's the

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time we need to back out of here and rethink this,

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because we're in their living room. And if you walk

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around the forest in Washington State, off the beaten hiking

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trails where everybody goes. If you get out in the

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forest and you're away from the trails and the campgrounds,

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the windfall, the snowload, tree falls, the fire scars. You've

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got a big tree down, another one laying over it,

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and then there's another one over that, and it's just

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one right after another in any direction you look. So

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it's you walk twenty feet, you crawl over one, you

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walk in feet, you crawl under one, you walk another

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ten feet, and you go around a couple. You're not

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outrunning anything out there. You won't outrun a coyote or

455
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.240
a cougar or a bear.

456
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.440
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

457
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.559
And something that big that lives out there, well, you say,

458
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.799
sasquatch has what a fifty seven inch stride something like that,

459
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.720
and that's walking. You're not out running that. They live

460
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:07.559
in it. And so you got to everybody wants to

461
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.079
find one, get the good picture, get the good evidence,

462
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:16.640
the good DNA. But no matter what kind of accolade

463
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.519
you're going to get through that, you've got to stop

464
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.480
and think. You got to keep your safety in there,

465
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.160
because if you're by yourself, it's one thing, but if

466
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.160
somebody's with you, and they're not that familiar with being out.

467
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.000
Now you're responsible for them, so there's times you've got

468
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.960
to rethink what you're doing and back out. And I've

469
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:39.640
had that happen a couple of times.

470
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:45.640
So there has been a time where things have escalated

471
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.880
or gotten pretty intense and you've had to back away.

472
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.680
Yeah, a few years ago, I was out camping with

473
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:59.359
another investigator and we met on an expedition and ever

474
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.640
since we've has been buddies. So we try to get

475
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.559
together a couple times a year and do a camp

476
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.920
out and maybe get out and do some research. We

477
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.759
were out, decided to hike over toward a ridge from camp,

478
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.920
and it, like say, it was one of those things

479
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.000
where there's no hiking trails and there's no four wheelers

480
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:23.279
and no dirt bikes and horses or anything. You're just

481
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:27.200
out there and we're walking around looking for tracks and

482
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.160
there's a little bit of a marshy area and then

483
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.839
it starts up a steeper part of the mountain and

484
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.200
pretty good ways from camp. And I had left my

485
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.440
dog in the tent because typically you don't want to

486
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.519
take a pet with you, but I didn't have anybody

487
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.519
that could watch you that week in. So she's in

488
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.200
the tent, got food and water, and we're out there

489
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.599
a couple miles away and we got talking about heading back,

490
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.000
and we start hearing these loud tree knots, and this

491
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:03.000
is in an area that gets quite a few and

492
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.279
I said, what do you want to do. And we said,

493
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.480
let's see how close we can get. And I said,

494
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:11.160
so we start up this mountain and tree knocks getting

495
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.240
louder and louder, and we got up. It went up

496
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.880
pretty steep, and then it leveled out a little bit,

497
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:22.160
and then it started up again, and on that little

498
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:26.319
flat area there was a big tree down weighing on

499
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.720
its side. I could just tip toe and look over it,

500
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.279
and then there was one still standing about eight to

501
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:37.319
ten feet to the right of it from where we were.

502
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:41.119
When we topped that ridge onto that little plateau to

503
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:45.240
start up the next section, another set of tree knocks started.

504
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.480
So we had one in front of us and one

505
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.799
directly off to our right, and he motioned for me

506
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.480
to get down, so I just ducked down behind that

507
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.000
tree that was on its side, and he walked over

508
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.599
and got behind the other big one. He stayed where

509
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.680
he was out of sight up the hill, but he

510
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.400
was also out of sight directly to the right, so

511
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.720
he's cat a corner toward me where we could see

512
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:17.359
each other. And it went dead quiet, and the knocks stopped.

513
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:22.200
The birds. There was nothing. It was just silence out there,

514
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.920
and he held his finger up for me to wait

515
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.400
a second, and he stepped out toward me, and when

516
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:35.319
he did, the knocks up the ridge just turned loose.

517
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.799
Whack whack whack whack, and then there were four directly

518
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:44.640
to my right behind him, and he stepped back behind

519
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:48.359
the tree and they stopped. So he motioned to me,

520
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:50.839
and I stepped out from behind the tree. I was

521
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.680
at the one up the hills. Black whit whit wh

522
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.200
like four good solid hits, and they were just crazy loud.

523
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.359
The ones over behind him four more, and I stepped

524
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:08.079
back behind the tree and they stopped. And so we

525
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.079
just sat there looking at each other, and I held

526
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:14.400
my hand up to wait, and we waited, and there's nothing,

527
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.599
not a sound. So I held up a finger. Hold

528
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.559
on a minute. I stepped out again. Whack whack whack white.

529
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:26.280
Then over behind him, whack whack white. So he just

530
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.159
stepped out towards me, and when he did down behind

531
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:33.480
me to the other side, even clos there's a whack whack,

532
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:38.599
white whack, and you could hear rock clacks out there.

533
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.760
And I told him, I said, they're up the hill

534
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:44.880
in front of us. There's one off to the right,

535
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:48.199
and now there's one down behind us. And I said,

536
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.519
if if we get one to this other side, they're

537
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:55.159
squared up between us and the camp. And I said,

538
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.880
I'm thinking we need to back out of here. And

539
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:03.800
I said, run steep, rugged ground, and those tree falls

540
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:07.039
were not going to outrun anything. And yeah, I'd like

541
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.199
to get a picture if we could get close enough.

542
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.639
But when we started up the hill it was one

543
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:17.159
set of wax and now it's three. It was coordinated

544
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.239
enough they got around us. I don't want to get

545
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.880
this other direction blocked where we can't move to get out,

546
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:30.280
and he said agreed. So we worked our way farther

547
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.440
that would have been north from the way we came

548
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:38.880
in and made a big loop, which we were thinking

549
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:43.079
was way behind the one that got behind me where

550
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.400
we could walk back out. But we ended up making

551
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.519
a pretty good hike, getting back out onto a forest

552
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.519
road and then coming back up and cutting across through

553
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.960
the forest to get back up to where we were camped,

554
00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:00.360
so we made a pretty decent loop. But we talked

555
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.800
about that until we went to bed that night, that

556
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:08.360
it was just unreal that this is supposedly a wild

557
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:15.239
creature but smart enough to use tree knocks to communicate

558
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:21.800
and or at least signal where they're at, and smart

559
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:26.360
enough that three of them. One was knocking in, the

560
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.760
other two knocking back, but the other two managed to

561
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.800
get almost around us. We were in the middle of

562
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:38.440
a triangle, and I don't know how many more would

563
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.880
have been out there, and he didn't and may not

564
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:46.599
have been anymore. But you read these encounters where a

565
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:51.239
hunter is had a big caliber hunting rifle for elk

566
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.840
or deer or whatever, and they've shot them point blank

567
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.760
and they just turn around and walk off. Both of

568
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.639
us had pistols, but my forty five isn't going to

569
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.360
do anything but make it upset. If a large caliber

570
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.440
elk rifle didn't hurt them, what's the point of getting

571
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:15.599
that out? And my big deal is, you know they

572
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.320
talk about it's going to take a body to prove

573
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:22.800
that I'm not willing to kill something just to prove

574
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.440
something I just don't want to and if I could

575
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.800
avoid it, I would. But people my girlfriend has asked,

576
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:34.400
we gon to do if you ever come face to

577
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.000
face with one. There's nothing I can do. I can't

578
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.280
fight it, and when I can't outrun it, shooting it's

579
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.440
going to be pointless, I said. As scared as I

580
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.440
would be that close face to face, I think I

581
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:54.079
would just sit down and try to be non threatening.

582
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:59.159
Maybe do late that they do when they're studying guerrillas,

583
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.360
like the Silvers. Just sit down, try to stay calm,

584
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.599
don't make eye contact, look at the ground, glance up

585
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:12.400
with your eyes occasionally. You know, you'd want to reach

586
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.880
for your phone or whatever and take a picture, but

587
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.880
at the same time, you don't want to get broken

588
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:24.079
in half. And from what I've seen so far, there's

589
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:28.480
maybe a handful of accounts where there was ever so

590
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:34.039
called attack or whatever, so I'm not really that concerned

591
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.559
about it. Oh God, you don't see on the news

592
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.960
that a hiker was killed by Bigfoot or put in

593
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:43.199
the hospital by Bigfoot, a cougar or moose.

594
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.039
Yeah, but are these public reports like on the BFRO

595
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.440
that you're referring to, or the.

596
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.719
One where me and my buddy were out there, weren't.

597
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:56.639
We didn't put them on there. There's reports on there

598
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.840
that are public, and the way it works is somebody

599
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.960
will submit a report, and then an investigator a look

600
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.639
for reports in his area and he'll assign them to

601
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.400
himself for herself, and they'll try to contact the witness

602
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.039
and get all the details and if it's where they

603
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:18.559
can get out there and look the area over for

604
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:22.360
tracks or if they've got a track or something and

605
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.719
get some measurements. They do that and pictures, and then

606
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:31.079
once they get it all uploaded and submitted, then they'll

607
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.199
be made but on the public side of the website

608
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:36.199
and you can go in and look at those.

609
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.599
What I was specifically referring to is you'd mentioned that

610
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:44.199
you've read some reports where there was maybe even some

611
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:49.440
attacks on people that were made by bigfoot. Are there

612
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.039
any of those that come to mind that you've read

613
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.039
over the years.

614
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:59.760
Yeah, Ape Canyon, there were some minors. Those guys they

615
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.320
I had getting in the cabin and throwing big rocks

616
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.679
and boulders all night. One of the guys supposedly shot one.

617
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.199
I don't think there was a body recovered, but and

618
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.960
then there was one that I've heard a couple times

619
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:17.559
and read about where President Roosevelt had told about some trappers.

620
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.400
I think those were up in Canada and they got it.

621
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.400
I read a report and I think that was actually

622
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.559
a public one on the BFRO site. But some guys

623
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.920
had hiked in, I think from up near Bumping Lake

624
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.440
area down toward Twin Sisters Lakes to do some fishing.

625
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.559
They got down there and set up camp, and something

626
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.039
got to throw in some pretty big rocks at them,

627
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:48.239
and they tore camp down and hiked back out. And

628
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.159
that's pretty good hike. To turn around and come back

629
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:54.239
without fishing and all that, you'd have to get pretty rattled.

630
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.360
When it runs the Gamut. There's mistaken identities. Have been

631
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.880
a bear they saw I could have been a bear

632
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.559
standing up, but the way the old man's beard the

633
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.039
tree moss hangs it made it look bigger in the moonlight.

634
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.000
I've got one I've been looking at and I don't

635
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.360
think it's going to go anywhere. This guy submitted a

636
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.840
report about they found a hand, a big foot hand

637
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:26.920
on a ridge out here, and it was his best

638
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:30.239
friend and another guy that found it when they were

639
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.840
hunting those two don't even know that. This guy submitted

640
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.800
the report and he sent me a picture of it

641
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:45.679
and it's got squared off, rounded, normal looking fingernails. And

642
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.159
that friend of mine I told you is a veterinarian

643
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.159
that as an investigator. I sent him the picture and

644
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.400
he said, I'm thinking it's a hoax or a misidentification

645
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.599
because looks like a raccoon paw. So I took a

646
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.239
picture of a raccoon paw put next to it, and

647
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:03.639
I said, I don't think so. Raccons they have claws,

648
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:09.719
they don't have rounded, worn off fingernails like that, and

649
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.519
the fingers were definitely bigger. But I said, I'm still

650
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:18.480
on that same hoax theory or whatever you figure. If

651
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.679
a bigfoot is eight hundred to fifteen hundred pounds and

652
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.639
there what eight or twelve feet tall, whatever they happen

653
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.800
to be, What is out there big enough to do

654
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:32.599
that to a bigfoot unless one died or with natural causes,

655
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.159
and then a cougar or a fox or whatever you'd

656
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:38.840
descend off. Just so many things you have to consider

657
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:39.239
on it.

658
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.559
That is extremely unique. Maybe it's not. I only have

659
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.519
access to public databases, but that just sounds like it's

660
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:48.199
a very unique report.

661
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:48.519
To me.

662
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.199
I've never heard anything like that where it's like, you know,

663
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:58.880
disattached bigfoothand found up on a ridge. That's it's pretty wild.

664
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.800
Yeah, and I hadn't either. We got people that claim

665
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.320
to have a big foothead and a freezer, but nobody's

666
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.000
ever seen it. Or I got a hand, or I

667
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:12.480
got hair, I've you know, I've tried emailing this guy

668
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:16.280
and calling him and he can't get anything set up

669
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.760
for me to talk to the guys that were actually there,

670
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.519
So I can't get even a close estimation of where

671
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.719
it was. He just said it was on this ridge,

672
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:27.519
and I'm like, this doesn't really do me any good.

673
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.960
I can't go anywhere with it. Wow, we don't. If

674
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.800
I found a bigfootthand severed on the ridge, it's coming

675
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:39.960
back with me. There's DNA, there's hair samples. Yeah, so

676
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:41.800
why wouldn't you bring it back?

677
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.199
Oh they didn't bring it back. They left it there?

678
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.559
No, Yeah, and I'd looked rink. Okay, there's a hand,

679
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.000
Are there any tracks? Are there any tree breaks? Are

680
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.639
there any signs of a struggle? Is there anything else

681
00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:00.800
up here? Dead? It's just common sense stuff that even

682
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.239
a hunter would look for all, right, this is a

683
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.519
bigfoot hand. What's up here that could do this to

684
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.679
a bigfoot? And a skilled hunter is going to start

685
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.800
looking around. What did it? Are their tracks? Was it

686
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:15.199
a bear? Or what happened? And there was none of that.

687
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.800
This is all current day that this is happening.

688
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:23.039
Yeah, well I got and I've still got to update

689
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.559
that report, but I'm not gonna push it public. I'm

690
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.559
gonna list it as a misidentification or not nothingfo or whatever,

691
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.840
because there's just nothing there to You put it up

692
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.039
there for the public and you could stick that picture

693
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:40.719
up there and they're gonna think the same thing, that's

694
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.119
a raccoon hand. They're hopes in it. You know.

695
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:44.400
That's a shame.

696
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:45.000
I was.

697
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:46.760
Yeah, that's a shame.

698
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:51.880
I was camped. I do pre eighteen forties mountain man

699
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.480
re enactment things, so I've got the buckskins, the flint

700
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.079
lock rifle, all the period correct gear, and i was

701
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:04.199
doing pre eighteen forties camp by myself one weekend and

702
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:06.880
I just get out and practice the skills. But I'm

703
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.119
out in the middle of this wilderness area.

704
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.280
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

705
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.400
And I part and then I hike in because I

706
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.039
don't want to be near hiking trails or camps or people.

707
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.519
So wilderness area there's no motorized vehicles and all that.

708
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.639
And I get back in this steep, rocky, rugged terrain,

709
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:48.639
a lot of thick brush and trees, and I'm moving

710
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.599
through this area and I happen to look down. It

711
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:55.320
looks like hair going off the branch of a bush,

712
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.880
over to another bush, over to another bush, and going

713
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.400
around a tree. And I thought, so's beard. Moss is

714
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.960
getting tangled in everything. I got to looking at it closer,

715
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:09.920
and it wasn't moss. It was hair. I took a

716
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.400
strand off real careful and put it in a bag,

717
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.280
and then I pulled another strand off that I could

718
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:21.119
just roll up and carry back out to check out

719
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.599
and not worry about contaminating it too much. So I

720
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.079
stretched it out on top of my I've got a

721
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.480
diamond shelter. I stretched it out on that and I

722
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.320
measured it, and that strand of hair is just over

723
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:39.239
fifty one inches long. And I looked around. I thought

724
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.440
it had to be a horse or something up here.

725
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.800
There's no horse tracks. I don't think you could ride

726
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.159
a horse through there without falling off the side of

727
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:53.679
that hill. And there's no hiking trails, there's no dirt bike,

728
00:46:53.880 --> 00:47:00.800
no quads. It is some rugged, rough area. So I

729
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.039
didn't really I've still got it laying around somewhere in

730
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:08.440
an envelope. But I was looking at some maps down

731
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:14.000
at the Forest Stranger headquarters there in Natchez, Washington, and

732
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.920
I ran into one of the Forest Service guys over

733
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.320
there gas station right after I left, and I said,

734
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.400
I got a question. I said, what's up in these mountains?

735
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.159
It has hair fifty one inches long? And he just

736
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.599
looked at me funny. He said, probably something you need

737
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.159
to forget about, and he took a sip off his coffee,

738
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:34.599
got in his truck and drove away.

739
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:35.639
No way.

740
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:42.599
Yeah, And I thought, I grew up around horses. The

741
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:45.960
tail you're not even going to get fifty one inches.

742
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.000
You might on a saddle bread some of those show horses,

743
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.719
but they're going to be well groomed, maintained. Nothing out

744
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.239
that far living wild. I don't know of anything out

745
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.320
there with hair that long. But then again, one reason

746
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:06.039
I never put that into a report myself is i've

747
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.360
never read any report on Bigfoot where they had hair

748
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:14.280
that long. It's always four inches long, maybe six at

749
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:19.760
the most, matted, dirty, smelly. I've never read a report

750
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:26.360
of real long hair on one. Just so, it's what

751
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:27.039
if you're the.

752
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:30.000
First guy, What if you're the first guy that come

753
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:35.119
that has come across that it's because no one else

754
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.119
has encountered that you're the first one too, Like, I

755
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:40.920
don't know. That might be a way to look.

756
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:44.880
At it though, Like yeah, and it uh, it was.

757
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:48.639
It's unnerving when you're used to being out by yourself,

758
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.320
but you never find anything. You found a great big track,

759
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:56.320
And I've got pictures of tracks I've taken and laid

760
00:48:56.360 --> 00:49:01.639
the tape out and measured huge tracks. Tree breaks, tree

761
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.400
structures that just defy what you would consider natural. And

762
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.079
you can look at all that's snow break, that's windlowed,

763
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:12.519
that's a fire that caused that, and then there's others.

764
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.920
You're looking at it gone, that's not possible. A tree

765
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:22.679
doesn't naturally fall and get interwoven through others. And there's

766
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:29.000
one and this one's down there, bumping buddy of mine

767
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.159
was with me. The root ball is still attached to

768
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.119
it and it is woven through these other big trees.

769
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.360
And this tree's got to be two feet in diameter

770
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.239
foot and a half two feet and it's woven, interwoven

771
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.880
through the trees. And the root ball is up there,

772
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.880
but there's no hole where the root ball came out of.

773
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.119
And I told him, I said, look how all those

774
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.119
trees are and all the limbs on them are still intact.

775
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.000
If that tree fell like that, it would have shared

776
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:03.920
limbs office so trees. And there were two women in

777
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.760
a forest service truck coming down the mountain when we

778
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:11.199
were coming up, and we stopped and talked to them

779
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:14.559
for a minute, and I said, when you get down

780
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:20.679
behind us in that curve, look over to your passenger side,

781
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:22.960
and I said, you're going to see a big tree

782
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:26.039
woven through the other trees, root boss still on it,

783
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.360
and there's not a hole anywhere over that root ball

784
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.800
came out. And she goes, oh, yeah, bigfoot did it.

785
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.079
And I just laughed it off. I said it wouldn't

786
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.440
surprise me. I didn't tell her we were in looking

787
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:41.079
for tracks and stuff, so she had no clue that

788
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.960
I was an investigator, we were doing research or anything.

789
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:48.440
I never mentioned anything like that. She just laughed it

790
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.679
off as oh, yeah, Bigfoot did it. And there was

791
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:57.760
camp down in that area and this woman, i'd guess

792
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.960
they're in her late sixties. Her usband dropped her off

793
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.280
and they had their camper set up, and then he

794
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.559
had to go back because he had an appointment, and

795
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.519
then he was coming back out the next day, and

796
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.239
there were probably ten of us sitting around camp and

797
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.800
you hear this just blood curdling scream, and her dogs

798
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:24.880
that had been barking across the road from us went silent. Nothing.

799
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:28.039
We sat there a little while and one of the

800
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.119
guys said maybe we should go check on her, because

801
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.480
that was behind her camp. They went over there and

802
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.920
they said, your dogs had really been making of fuss

803
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:41.880
and we heard that scream, that noise, and we thought

804
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.440
we'd come check on you because we saw your husband

805
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:48.880
had left you. She goes, yeah, we camped her all

806
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.679
the time. That was Bigfoot. Said every time he does that,

807
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:53.800
he scares my dogs and they go into camper and

808
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:57.559
won't come back out. And she was just so nonchalant

809
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:01.559
about it. We didn't say anything then either. We just

810
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.079
laughed it off as long as you're okay, went back

811
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.719
over to camp, and I went back up a couple

812
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:11.599
of weeks after that on my own and I parked

813
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:13.800
over where we had camped, and I hiked in and

814
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.360
went up that ridge behind where she was camped. But

815
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.599
I didn't find anything. I didn't find any tracks or

816
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.960
there's tree brakes and weird things all over the place,

817
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:27.880
but no tracks, no sounds. And I was hoping, all right,

818
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.480
I'm by myself, all alone out here, let's hear something,

819
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:35.159
let's see something. It's a perfect time for it to

820
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:38.440
jump out and scare me or do whatever. One nothing,

821
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:45.559
but it just like it draws you in. It's at

822
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:48.800
the time you think we'd have found something by now,

823
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.840
there's something else that pops up that just grabs your

824
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:57.480
attention and your wonder and your imagination. And it just said,

825
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:02.199
I don't know. So f of exploration, I guess for me,

826
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:07.199
I like finding out what the unknown is, what made

827
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:11.199
the noise, what broke the tree, what scares people, and why.

828
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.440
I think you're right. In our world, there's so much

829
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:22.599
knowledge available that we're able to look at and just

830
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:27.480
to search for using computers and the Internet and libraries,

831
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:32.679
that when we as a culture realize there's a huge

832
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:39.159
part where we don't know all the information, but yet

833
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:42.119
it seems like there's these clues, these things we keep

834
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.280
experiencing that it's very addictive. It really draws you in.

835
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.280
I experienced that in Oregon this summer, and it just

836
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:56.320
pulls you in entirely. There's been a I want to

837
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.639
address something more for the listeners. So there's been a

838
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.360
few places where you're not telling where they are. That's,

839
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.880
you know, I haven't really been pushing because you are

840
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.599
a BFRO investigator and a lot of times when you're

841
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.000
out there, you're not able to and you don't want

842
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.599
to give away areas they might not be public areas.

843
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:17.920
So for listeners that are like wise in he asking

844
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.559
where the areas are, it's because usually you can't share

845
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.239
those that kind of addresses that. There were some areas

846
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.039
though that I wanted to ask if you would if

847
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.000
you were aware of them, or if you had done

848
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:34.360
anything in the areas. Have you ever heard of an

849
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.199
area called dead Men's Lake?

850
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:42.199
I have heard of it, but I've never been out there. Okay,

851
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.199
And like you said, there's some places that we just

852
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:50.239
don't give away the location. Yes, And other places are

853
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:55.119
private property and some of the areas are just vast

854
00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.639
listeners that get a curiosity and want to go, want

855
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.719
to go, try to find something or hear something. Me

856
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:08.039
moving out here, new from Kentucky, I just had to

857
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:13.639
pick a spot, and so Gifford Penn show that whole

858
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:19.800
forest you get reports in there. I started looking up

859
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.159
here in the North Wilderness area. I just I don't

860
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.559
know why. I was just looking at it and it

861
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:30.760
caught my attention. They've had several wildfires, and I think

862
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:34.760
where the wildfires were on one side of Highway four

863
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:39.400
ten is going to push them across four ten to

864
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:41.559
the other side, or they're going to have to go

865
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:45.639
farther south. And a lot of the areas where we

866
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.639
get reports or public areas, I've heard a lot of

867
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.599
stuff down around the room Rock Lake, and I go

868
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:57.719
down there quite a bit, and I talked to guys

869
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:00.719
that hunt down there. I know one it won't hunt

870
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.320
down there. He was going up a hill and he

871
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.199
said a soccer ball sized rock went past his head

872
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.639
when he's going up this hill. And I said, well,

873
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.639
hunting season, the weather's doing weird things. It warms up,

874
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:18.639
it freezes, it warms up, rocks break loose, expansion contraction.

875
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:21.920
The rock big rock could roll down the hill and bounce,

876
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.559
get some momentum and roll and bounce, and I might

877
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.239
go past your head. I could see it. Big coincidence,

878
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:32.920
but I could see it. And he said, you don't

879
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:36.159
understand the rock flew past my head going up the hill.

880
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:41.000
It was going uphill, not downhill. And I said, oh,

881
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:44.599
that's different. And I said, I'll get you one weekend.

882
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:46.639
We'll right out. You can show me where it happened.

883
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:49.400
He said, I'm not going back out there. He won't

884
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.360
even hunt down there anymore. He won't camp, he won't hunt.

885
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.320
And I'm like, can you show me on the map,

886
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.480
And he's not exactly. I could walk you too that

887
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:02.480
you said, you're showing you on the map. I can

888
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:06.159
get you close. So I've got a point to start from.

889
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.519
I might get out there this spring when the snow's

890
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:10.039
melt off.

891
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:10.559
Oh cool.

892
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:15.639
It just any listener wanting to try it. Do some

893
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:22.880
research on what investigators do, and along an investigative type

894
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.400
of line. Don't think I'm just going to go take

895
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:29.559
pictures or cast a footprint. Think more along the lines

896
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:33.559
of I'm going to have a like a tape measure

897
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:36.079
like a seamstress or a tailor would use that. You

898
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.119
can just roll up a stick in your pockets so

899
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:41.800
I can lay it next to the track something for scale.

900
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:46.199
Note what the weather is, was the ground soft, was

901
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.719
it frozen, was it muddy? Was it moss? On picking area?

902
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:56.039
And just look for things that might look a little

903
00:57:56.079 --> 00:58:01.480
out of place. And I've stumped across tracks when I

904
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.119
wasn't even looking for them, And I found tracks going

905
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.480
up the side of a mud bank off of a road,

906
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:14.519
pretty well traveled road. And I measured it out. From

907
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.719
the tip of the big toe back to the hill

908
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.360
was just at eighteen and a half inches and across

909
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.400
the ball of the foot was just over eight inches wide,

910
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:29.320
and the ground was frozen. And this thing was still

911
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:33.400
pushed down close to an inch deep in the frozen ground,

912
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.639
and you could see where it had broken it loose,

913
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.159
it didn't step in it, and then it froze. You

914
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:41.119
could actually see in the picture where it broke it

915
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:46.280
when it stepped. And that stride going up that hill

916
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:50.920
was just under fifty inches and you could see where

917
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.960
it was digging in toes going up and the metatarsal

918
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:57.280
breake there in the middle of the foot and everything.

919
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:01.679
But I found those just driving by and looked over

920
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:04.639
and saw it, and I backed up and got out

921
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:06.480
to look at the one that really stood out. And

922
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.639
then there's a few others going up that hill, and

923
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:13.239
once they got up on the flatter ground just kind

924
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:15.599
of bandished, got up in their rock and the harder

925
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:19.639
frozen ground and was gone. But it's just keep your

926
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:23.119
eyes open, pick an area where you might want to go.

927
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:25.960
What was hard for me to get away from us

928
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:30.880
thinking just pure wilderness. Get out there in the middle

929
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.400
of nowhere and look for them. But so many reports

930
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:39.840
come from around campgrounds. Organized campgrounds. They get curious about people.

931
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:42.760
They like to look in coolers, and I've read somewhere

932
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:46.800
recently they're fascinated with blue tarps, for they'd like to

933
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:49.719
rub their hand on them, or the noise they make,

934
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.119
or something that they'll play with a blue tarp, and

935
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:56.480
then they go on their way, and it just it's

936
00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.119
hit or miss. You'd like to being to say, if

937
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.360
you want to see a big foot, you need to

938
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.039
go up to Chinook Pass and hike this trail, and

939
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.360
when you get to this curve, get off the trail

940
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:11.400
and go about a quarter mile. It just it doesn't

941
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:12.239
work like that.

942
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:16.599
I was just that's funny, I was. That was my

943
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:21.920
next question was actually going to be so another area

944
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.639
I wanted to talk to you about. I keep getting

945
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:27.920
stuff from over by Packwood. Have you ever experienced anything

946
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:29.719
over there?

947
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.280
Not personally. The first time I camped up in that area,

948
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:38.239
pouring down rain and cold, and I parked on the

949
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:42.519
forest road and I hiked up to Glacier Lake and

950
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:46.079
there were already two or three guys camping there, and

951
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.000
about the only spots you could set up that was flat,

952
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:51.800
and they had a couple of tarts out over the

953
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:54.280
tent and out over the front where they had their fire.

954
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.480
And I didn't mention bigfoot. I asked, how's it going.

955
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:00.880
I said, you mind if I come around your camp

956
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.320
walk around the lake, And they said, we don't care.

957
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.440
He said be careful though. Something's out there throwing the

958
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:09.280
big rocks in the lake and making all kinds of noise.

959
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:14.400
And I said, all right, I'll be careful. And I

960
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.639
had my dog with me then, little chewahwah terrier mix,

961
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:20.880
and I went around out on the edge of the

962
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.559
lake as far as I could get in the tree.

963
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:27.760
Fall and all that with the dog big for Society

964
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.280
will be right back after these messages.

965
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.880
And just cold and wet, and I didn't hear anything,

966
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.159
didn't see anything, and no rock throws in the water

967
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:58.119
or anything. And I hiked back out from there about

968
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:02.639
halfway out in camp and then there was nothing. But

969
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:07.320
I've heard people talk about that area. And then if

970
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.159
you come in from the other side from the rim

971
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.039
Rock Lake area, if you go across Conrad Meadows into

972
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:18.800
Surprise Lakes up into the Goat Rocks Wilderness. I've heard

973
01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:24.760
people talk about different encounters up there the Packwood. I've

974
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:29.159
heard a lot of people talk about vocalizations, rock throws,

975
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:33.480
rock clydes, tree knots, trees getting broken over and then

976
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:37.599
over around Randall. I've actually got a book that my

977
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.320
aunt got me about day hipes in the Washington Cascades,

978
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:45.360
and one of them mentioned the creek just south of

979
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.679
Randall where you might run into Bigfoot, and I was

980
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:50.800
cracking up when I read that. I thought, oh man,

981
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:52.639
they're putting it out in the books now where you

982
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:54.960
can go find him.

983
01:02:56.760 --> 01:03:01.440
That's awesome. The whole area is it's just it's wild.

984
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:05.400
Once you look at the map, in a certain way,

985
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:10.199
and you're like, Okay, it's this triangle. We're near Saint

986
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:16.719
Helen's Adams. Everything in between this in this triangle is

987
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:21.159
absolutely crazy. There's just so many different areas within that

988
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:28.079
that triangle and around it too. Just Gifford Pinchota is crazy.

989
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.519
Yeah. And you would think with all the hikers and

990
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:35.519
the skiers and people cross country ski and snowshoe, you

991
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:39.760
would think everybody's got a cell phone, so you would

992
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:44.280
think there'd be a picture somewhere, and every picture that

993
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.599
there is so grainy and blurry or so far off

994
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:50.880
you can't see it. This android phone, I think it's

995
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:54.480
a Galaxy something or another, one of the newer ones.

996
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:57.320
I can stand out here in the yard and zoom

997
01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:01.000
in on the moon and count craters. I can snap

998
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.239
a picture and sit there and count the craters and

999
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:06.599
see the detail in them. And I'm thinking, there's no

1000
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:10.119
way you can't get a picture of Bigfoot. If you

1001
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:13.039
see one, there's no excuse other than you're scared to

1002
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:16.920
death and shaking and making it blurry. But now the

1003
01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:21.360
phones have that anti shape option you can use on

1004
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:26.760
it to stabilize it. It's just but then I look

1005
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:30.719
on Facebook or Instagram, and people taking selfies in the

1006
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:32.840
bathroom mirror because they don't know how to use the

1007
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.559
button on the phone to flip the camera around. And

1008
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:38.679
I'm thinking, okay, there's why we don't have a big

1009
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:39.440
book picture.

1010
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:42.840
But right there you go, yeah, yeah, there you go.

1011
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.760
It's reaction time too. I think a lot of it is.

1012
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:50.119
For example, I was driving one day and a bald

1013
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:52.599
eagle was flying by me on the side of the road.

1014
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:56.880
I it was seconds. I didn't have the reaction time

1015
01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.400
to take my phone out try to take a picture.

1016
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.480
It's just it happens so quick, and I can't imagine

1017
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:03.800
if there's a bigfoot involved.

1018
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:04.320
You just.

1019
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:06.360
You're not ready.

1020
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:10.760
The guy told you got me going to Spencer Meadows

1021
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:14.800
who were riding back one day, and where you come

1022
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.320
back out of Spencer and you make a turn and

1023
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.559
you go up around below this lookout area and it

1024
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.199
makes a big wide curve and then at the top

1025
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:26.039
you can go into this parking area and it's a

1026
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:29.440
big overlook at Mount Saint Helen's looking out there at

1027
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:33.840
the mountain. We're coming up that road after we made

1028
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:37.320
the left turn in there. We're coming up that road

1029
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:39.599
and I just out of the blue. I said, I'd

1030
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.559
love to see you cougar one of these days, and

1031
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.159
he said, look it up online. He said, I've lived

1032
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:47.440
here my entire life and I've never seen one in

1033
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.079
the wild. And he knows sooner finished saying it. One

1034
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:55.760
jumped out from the driver's side. It's pause, hit the

1035
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:57.960
road on the other side, and it was gone up

1036
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:02.400
the hill toward the overlook quick and we were both

1037
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:05.320
yelling and laughing, high five and we just saw a

1038
01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:09.639
wild cougar. We pulled in the overlook and let people

1039
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:12.159
know you might want to get your kids closer because

1040
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.159
cougar just ran across the road coming up that hill

1041
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:17.920
towards the parking area, so we don't know where it went.

1042
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.280
And I told him, I said, that's it. I'm getting

1043
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:25.840
a dash cam because you just never know. And I

1044
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.360
know guys on expeditions, one of them is jeep. He's

1045
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:33.320
got motion detector dash cam in the front and one

1046
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.360
out the back window. And when that thing's parked at

1047
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:39.159
night and he's not in it, they're still on the

1048
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:41.920
battery and if something moves in front of it or

1049
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.760
behind it, it triggers those cameras. And he said, you

1050
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:49.320
get so many reports of road crossings in front of people,

1051
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:51.480
or they look in the rear view mirror after they

1052
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:55.400
go by and there's one going across behind them. And

1053
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.079
so he sunk the money in a couple of nice cameras,

1054
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:02.239
and I had one that it did pretty good. I

1055
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.639
got some good video of just I would guess hundreds

1056
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:09.480
of elk running across the forest road. And I was

1057
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:12.599
on one side and there was a jeep coming towards

1058
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:15.159
me from the other direction, and we both just sit

1059
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:17.719
and shut our engines down, sit there and waited, and

1060
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:21.039
it was like they ran forever and ever, and they

1061
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:25.280
finally the last one ran across, and it was probably

1062
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:29.440
five minutes or so. We set there waiting and you

1063
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:34.440
just never see elk like that. And I got that

1064
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:38.280
on the dash cam. And then the piece that holds

1065
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:41.039
it up on the windshield broke off. And I was

1066
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:43.519
out the next week at Grimrock Lake and a black

1067
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:46.039
bear ran across in front of me and up the hill,

1068
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:48.000
and they didn't have the dash cam to catch it.

1069
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:52.559
I thought that I got to get another one, but

1070
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:58.239
it's so unpredictable. There's reports. I'll see them online. They'll

1071
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:03.920
mention it was over at this location and I'll look

1072
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:07.800
at it. It's literally a suburb of Seattle, and I'm like,

1073
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.039
you're not getting a big foot in an urban area,

1074
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.599
But there's so many reports of them like that. They

1075
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.920
might be around landfills or small wooded areas where they

1076
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:21.479
wander in out of the mountains and get in their

1077
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:25.239
clothes and then maybe they wander back out Silver Lake

1078
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:29.760
over there around Castle Rock area. There have been several

1079
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:36.319
reports over there vocalizations and tracks, and it's a shot

1080
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:39.520
in the dark where you might find one and then

1081
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:41.199
are you lucky enough to get a picture?

1082
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:49.119
Yes, it is definitely. I think it's one of the

1083
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:53.520
last great mysteries that we have. Someday, someone is there's

1084
01:08:53.560 --> 01:09:00.880
going to be another Patterson Gimlin quality film or photo,

1085
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.359
but it's going to be way better and hopefully it'll

1086
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:08.640
happen in our lifetime the area that we were talking about, Jeff,

1087
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:10.520
I just want to say thank you for spending some

1088
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.319
time chatting with me about what you've experienced since you

1089
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.760
moved out there to Washington. In that area alone, that's

1090
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.479
been a fascinating discussion with you.

1091
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:24.560
It's a beautiful area to get out there and even

1092
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.560
if you get out there in search a lifetime and

1093
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:31.560
you don't ever find a track or hear a vocalization

1094
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.720
or get the big picture of the one that's going

1095
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.880
to prove at all. If you're out there and you're

1096
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:43.239
off trail and you're away from where the hikers are

1097
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:46.159
and the four wheelers and the razors and sab besides,

1098
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:49.560
you're going to see things out there that most people

1099
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:51.840
will never in their life get to see. Some of

1100
01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:56.840
the most beautiful views ever, some amazing animals out there,

1101
01:09:57.479 --> 01:09:59.680
And to me, it's worth it to me just to

1102
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:03.560
get out experience that. And it seems like whoever's with me,

1103
01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:06.199
I always end up mumbling that line to them, how

1104
01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:10.279
many people ever get to see this? And you look

1105
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:14.039
how many people live here, and the hunters typically go

1106
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.600
to the same areas, and they only go so far

1107
01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:20.600
from camp, But how many really get in deep and

1108
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:24.319
get to see some of these views? And it is

1109
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:30.520
just an amazing place to live. And it's just a privilege.

1110
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.079
And there's still parts of Kentucky like that. Where I

1111
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:38.000
came from east of Louisville, I was probably halfway between

1112
01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:42.920
Louisville and Lexington. Most of what I knew is all

1113
01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:48.159
gone now. It's concrete and all developed, but there's still

1114
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.600
places in Kentucky, Big South Fork of the Cumberland River,

1115
01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:56.079
Daniel Boo National Forests, Cumberland National Forest. There's a lot

1116
01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:59.000
of reports out in that area, so there's still some

1117
01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:01.079
beautiful country there to look into. You.

1118
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:05.479
Oh, I agree the Daniel Boone that's a whole different story.

1119
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:10.000
That area is very intense for a lot of different reasons.

1120
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:14.399
But Jeff I would say, let's continue to keep in touch.

1121
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:18.720
You seem like you are a wealth of information about

1122
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:21.039
the area and I just have really enjoyed talking to

1123
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:23.359
you and thank you for sharing the different things that

1124
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:27.239
you've experienced over the years. It's been an enjoyable conversation.

1125
01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:29.279
You're welcome. Thanks for having me on.

1126
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:30.039
You got it.

1127
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:33.279
Have a good night, sir, you can have a good

1128
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:35.039
Christmas season you as well.

1129
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:36.920
Just want to take a few minutes to say thank

1130
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.600
you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1131
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:44.279
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01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:08.119
had a bigfoot encounter related to the following or know

1139
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:12.399
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1140
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.880
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1141
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:21.520
Here's the list. Number one encounters from Franklin County, Texas.

1142
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:25.359
Number two encounters from the entire state of Iowa. Number

1143
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:29.359
three encounters from Oakridge, Oregon or the surrounding area. Number

1144
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:32.479
four any individuals that know about bigfoot being flown off

1145
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:36.239
after the Mount Saint Helens eruption. Number five individuals that

1146
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.079
have had a bigfoot encounter while in the military. Number

1147
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:42.199
six those that have had a bigfoot encounter in the

1148
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:47.800
southern New Hampshire or north central Massachusetts area, including Franklin County, Massachusetts.

1149
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:50.720
Number seven individuals that have had a bigfoot encounter in

1150
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:54.239
a Bible camp or boy Scout camp setting. Number eight

1151
01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:56.600
individuals that have had bigfoot try to enter their house

1152
01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.359
forcibly while they were living inside. Number nine individuals that

1153
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:05.119
have actively have a bigfoot living on their property. And lastly,

1154
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:09.079
any sightings that are in the watchitat National Forest Area

1155
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:13.720
of Oklahoma or Arkansas. A special thank you to all

1156
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the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's your

1157
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:21.119
support that helps keep the show going and I extremely

1158
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:24.960
appreciate it. I'll see you back next time. Listeners. SASA

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Bigfoot Society, but BFS I'll get used some off your cost.

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Priscilla was nice enough to provide that for my listeners.

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So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there,

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so make sure you head over to www dot Sasquatch

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Summer dot com and pick up your tickets today