"I'll Stay, Even If I'm Torn Apart" - The Full Interview

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But he said, something's coming this
way, and they're coming that crazy chimpanzees.

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Sounds getting louder and a lot of
and they knew we were there.

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You could tell they were right there, screaming and holland. And they weren't

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coming out in the open. They
were right there and screaming and holland and

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Delayne asked his daughter, said do
you want to leave? Because she was

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pacing back and forth. She said
yeah, and they got in the car

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and left. He asked me if
they started coming, and I don't know

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why, but I said no,
I'm gonna stick around a little bit.

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They left, and that was a
lonely feeling watching her black jeep going out

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out the dirt road. And then
I'm here. These things were screaming in

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Holland and it's me. I guess
they want they want you. They're going

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to get you. Walked to the
front of the car, leaned up against

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the hood. Now these things are
in backing me. Now I got my

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back at him, and they're just
still screaming and holland and really carrying off

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one out. But I thought that
this is it. I'm staying. I

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don't care if they tare me at
part. In this episode of Big for

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Society, I'm re releasing a special
interview with mister Ronald Ronnie Roseman, this

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time raw, uncut in its entirety
and also including the forty minute Patreon portion

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for the first time to the public. This interview starts with a fascinating look

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at the nineteen ninety nine six Rivers
National Force expedition led by Richard Greenwell and

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mister Roseman's involvement with the expedition.
Ronnie then shares some of the most amazing

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big Foot encounters I've ever heard on
the podcast, and I'm sure you will

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enjoy the episode. As always,
thank you for listening to the Big for

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Society podcast. Please take a minute
to subscribe, like, and share the

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show with a friend. All right, Big Society, we got the privilege

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of talking to mister Ronnie Roseman tonight. He's from the Pacific north West.

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He's got years of Bigfoot experience.
And how are you doing tonight, Ronnie.

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I'm doing fine. Yeah, a
long time since men ready. Yeah,

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it's like the new version of radio
in a way. It's it's a

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lot of fun. Let's start at
the beginning, Ronnie, So tell me

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what was it that first got you
into big footing years ago. I don't

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know. I've always think weird.
I as a kid, I just was

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always attracted to mysteries and explained things
and phenomena's and stuff. At a very

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early age my name was fourth fifth
grade, I got a book called Stranger

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Than Fiction I Thrank Edwards, I
believe it was. I read that and

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had something in there, the Obama
of Snowman. I got interested in that.

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I think it was eight and then
I was telling an aunt I had.

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I lived in southern California at the
time, and I had an aunt

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that lived in Eureka, which was
eight hundred miles away California, and she

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knew about me being an interest in
Vomo Snowman. So it was during the

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time that the road construction known in
California, Bluff Creek area was wearing by

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Ray Wallace there, and she saved
all the clippings for me on the big

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Foot because that's when the big foot
best word of the name of Bigfoot originated

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the Bluff Creek area during the nineteen
fifty eight I think it was or fifty.

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Yeah, So Jerry Cooney was seeing
the tracks around as all those they

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went to the newspaper and Humboldt or
whatever it was there eureka, goody,

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and then the picture was on.
Anyway, she saved all the newspaper clippings

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for me, and I didn't know
it. So when she for a Christmas

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she I got that as a Christmas
president. So I got interested in Bigfoot

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at that time, and I think
I was nine years old, So that

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was my beginning. You were around
nine to ten in the late fifties.

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What I'm hearing there? Yes,
okay, wow, So you were at

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an interesting age when the Patterson Gimlin
film was released. Do you remember that?

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Oh? Yeah, definitely fifty seven. I think I was about not

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seventeen years old. See how old
was I at that time? Sixty I

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was sixty seven, right, it
was sixty seven. You would have been

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sixteen or seventeen years old. Yet. Yeah, that's when I got I

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really got I really got motivated.
I guess a lot of people did.

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Then. You could look at it, even at that age and I didn't

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know anything, and I still don't
know anything about these things. But at

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that looking at that, I'm movement
and stuff, and just the way it

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moved you. You could tell it
looked like something always there, even though

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your family's are looking at you weird. But yeah, that's when I really

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got motivated. But that's when I
ordered to tranquilize your gun and I paid

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five hundred butts for it. Gun
in the mail. They had these big

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dreams about shooting one of these things, and they were end after seeing that

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picture some day, I'm going to
get out there, and thought about doing

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something like that. And of course
I had a problem with tranquilizer or a

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drug or something. What would you're
huge? Would you want something for apes

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or And I never did think that
these things were apes myself, even though

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a lot of friends have about that, John Green, doctor Currens and great

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people that I just didn't see that
with a human like footprints and stuff,

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which is the most obvious. The
first thing I decided to go with something

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more a cernal one. And then
I went around to pharmacists and stuff.

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I didn't know where to go and
try to get something like that, and

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I was asking him around to get
it, and most of the pharmacist that

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they said, no, we can't
get you there, We can't do that,

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or we don't can't get that or
whatever. As one as pharmacies said.

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Yeah, he says that's for tranquilizing
people or whatever. Not. Oh,

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he said, yeah, maybe I
can help ye out and give me

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your information. I didn't do that. I get scared or left, and

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I realized that, my gosh,
I probably I didn't want to tell him.

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I wanted to. Oh. I
think I did tell him. I

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think I told him what you wanted
for us, said something about I wanted

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to tranquilize Bigfoot, and I think
that give me a weird look. I

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left. I dropped that project.
That idea, which I've done it later

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wouldn't work anyway. But anyway,
so trial and error from the beginning.

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That is amazing. So was this
in southern California that this all took place?

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Then? Yes? Yeah, okay, wow, what a story.

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That's amazing. Man, Thank you. Maybe it might sound kind of dumb,

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No, it's awesome. These are
the kind of stories that my listeners

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absolutely love. Did you first see
the film then in a I know it

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was shown in movie theaters a lot. Did you see it in a movie

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theater then? No? I didn't
you know something I don't remember. I

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think it was on TV during that
time period. So you were getting into

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your You're almost twenty in that time
period right after the PG film, Did

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you seriously go out and start looking
at that time, besides trying to get

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the No, I did not at
all. That come at a much later

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date. I had read a little
bit about these things if I and I'm

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kind of easy anyway, and I'm
certainly not at really an outdoorsman or anything

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like hunter or anything. I did
a lot of hiking, but it wasn't

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looking for monsters. But I got
to thinking about it and what I did

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find out about it. Peter Byrne, he's the first guy I contacted,

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sometime in the mid seventies or something. But I realized about pit unless you

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never seen one that I know anyway, Peter Byrne didn't, John Green didn't,

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and Doctor Grants didn't. And I
thought, my god, you could

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to get out to get a chance
to even get this glimpse of these one

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of these things at a distance,
much less close up. You could search

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all your life, and I just
thought it wasn't feasible to go out for

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what the time that was involved and
everything else, and not that they're not

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out there. But I was learning
a little bit by the time I was

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in my twenties, I opted to
collect snakes and stuff, and they did

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it for many years when all of
the United States down there everywhere, different

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places. I always had these things
on my mind, but I figured,

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I'm collecting snakes to run across one
of them, that will be a plus,

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but not likely. But and so
I didn't get into it till my

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real what I could call an expedition
was after I had gone in Quinn a

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Lady. It was in the nineties
and late nineties, and I by that

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time I was I knew Richard Greenwell
of the International Society of crypto Zoology.

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I don't know if you're familiar with
him. I have heard of the society,

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okay. He was the secretariat and
doctor Mackael Roy Manthem was the vice

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president, and Bernard Huvermans was the
president. And that was the day I

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established are founded that the Smithsonian.
They were legit guys, and so me

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and Richard did a lot of build
research started. It didn't start till ninety

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eight. In ninety nine, I
went with him on It was the second

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expedition there that he had in the
sist years, and the first expedition that

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he had done was with him,
doctor Meldrum on Felibano, the name of

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Mark Slack, he was the guy, and then Darwin which sed his son.

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He didn't in two years. That
was in nineteen ninety seven, and

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I think it's in the doctor Mildrum's
book. He's got it in there,

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which was interesting. I didn't of
course, this was long before his book

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came out, but he tells what
happened there when he was on the team

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back in there, and that they
was camped in a medal where these things

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came in there at night and they
were running in between their tents and stuff.

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They had stole their oak mill and
they had it downe in the bags

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and these things took it out.
They didn't make a mess like a barrywood.

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And they heard him running back and
forth and doctor Meldrum was it or

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and his tent, and he said
one of them actually hit the guide wire

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or something on the dirt dirt as
tent running through there. But anyway,

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the next morning they checked it out
and the tracks were there. It was

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biped in the grass. It's nothing
you could cast. But the indentations that

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there where they had been there come
in during the ninth Richard was using the

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tall blasting and stuff. So anyway, that was ninety seven. Then Richard

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asked me if I wanted to go
on the next line, which was nineteen

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ninety nine, and we went in
June or June and July, I think

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it was. But there's only a
window frame to get in there. It's

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just snow and stuff most of the
year. It's only a couple of months

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that are really safe to get back
in there. It's about forty miles back

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in from Orleans and the canyon.
It was here to the trick we had

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the first. There's five hundred pounds
of equipment and food supplies and thermal imageting

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and everybody else. So we got
back there and there were some results and

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we called blasting in the canyons.
In the evening what was reportedly bigfoot screens

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and stuff like that. We had
babies and how our monkey sounds and baby

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sounds, humans and stuff and I
we split up. There was a the

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main camp Base camp was Richard and
his son and then me and Angelo Caperella.

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He was a biologist from a University
of Chicago. We camped out about

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a mile away from there for Camp
US and Angelo. He couldn't handle my

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snoring, so he went one hundred
feet down the mountains somewhat and I was

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by myself there and something was coming
around. And I'm going to say this

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because it's important. It has something
to do with something to happen in my

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area recently. Now, this was
nineteen ninety nine and fifth US northern California

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when this was going on. And
after the call blasting one evening, I

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stepped out of the tent to relieve
myself and I heard something snap, a

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twig snap, and right on the
other side of it was a big canyon.

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But anyway, I heard it,
and that's all I heard. But

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we had already we had to shoot
a bear. I think it was just

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four or five days before. There
was stocking us and Nashal was going to

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charge. We didn't have any choice. So I was thinking there and I

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got back in my tent. I
knew something was I felt that something big

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was there, and I had a
pistol and mace, and I felt somewhat

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comfortable with that. Anyway, went
through the night, nothing happened. The

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next night that same five and nine, about one o'clock in the morning,

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I stepped out I heard the twig
snapped the same area. Of course,

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it's pitch black to get back in
the tent. I told I'd go lead

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pipe back to the base camp and
have breakfast the morning. And I told

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Richard, who's the team leader,
and I had all the equipment and nine

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equipment thermal every year and night the
equipment in ford. But I said,

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we are you guys are to set
the stuff around my can. I think

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some's coming around there. And at
this point I wasn't thinking bigfoot, I

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was thinking bear. But he said, yeah, maybe we should do that.

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They talked to her. They didn't
want to it right then. They

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wanted to equipment where they were sold. The third names. I got out

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at the same time heard twick snap, and I got back in the chin

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and I had the court don recrown
all around there before I set my chin

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up there, and I wanted as
secure as possible, so I had set

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it up next to undergrowth some shugbed
thick rush and stuff on one side of

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it, and then right behind it
there was a log. There was bowed

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not a log but a limb,
but it was bowed up just like a

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guard for a car if you went
apart right in front of it. It

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just bowed up, just perfectly,
went across the level and then came back

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down. And I had stood on
that before I set my tent up there,

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and I jumped on it. I
was one hundred and sixty hive pounds

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and I didn't budge it, so
it was solid. So I had that

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behind me and that's where my head
was for a slip. So this third

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night, one hund put I think
right from that area there was an animal

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trouble and all went all the way
back and I came back around right behind

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my chin, so I think whatever
it was there it did that. But

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sometime during the night I heard that
that branch or the big tree part just

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going like it was going down and
making a noise, and I couldn't budget

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jumping on it. So something heavy
was pushed on its right behind my head,

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and then it went and it went, but it started. I could

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tell it was going back up,
and so something didn't want to make any

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noise. And then right on the
side of me and the right hand sled

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of the kent right after that,
wod this, excuse me, don't jump,

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But I got a kind of give
you an idea. I heard look

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only ten times worth ten times a
louder, so that of course it made

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that was that was unnerving, and
I didn't know to think of that,

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and I thought something was going to
come through my chins. So I sit

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there Indian style all night with my
pist on one hand and Mason the other.

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Nothing happened, and it was years
later. There's a lot more on

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that expedition, but I want to
make a point because at least something happened

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there that got me in trouble many
years later, like within the last couple

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of years. Here, I'm in
Oregon right now, a central Oregan surrounded

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by mountains, and was and that
sounds. There was a few years after

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that with a friend of mine.
I was over to his house, Retman

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nielss Junior. I don't know if
you ever heard of him. Big footology

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had he established, but anyway,
he I was over his house and I

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had never heard the run nor heead
tape. I didn't last year of sounds.

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And I came off with that sound
and I was telling him the same

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story that was years ago, and
he says I. He looked at me

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and says, I don't think you
because I was still thinking there, I

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don't know anything about bears. Not
that maybe I don't know sounded hafful,

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you know, scary for a bear
to come off like our ruth. But

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he says I don't. My friends
says, I don't think you've seen a

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bear, and he played me a
bit more headstapes. So it's got the

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third one in that with the aggressive
sound, and it is almost an exact

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and I think, oly heck,
maybe yeah, I think one of those

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things was standing by my chitch.
I don't think he liked me being there.

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It was aggressive, for sure.
So many years later, coming up

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to now, he was introduced an
area by a hunter and well to somebody

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else that knew I was interesting,
big food. But anyway, I got

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it in this area and right off
the bad we started having things happening,

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and my goshness probably our to our
talk right there and all less. So

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I'm just going to keep to the
point here for now. That sound I

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after being annoying these things over here, we had to come in in different

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areas and whistled from both sides,
communicate or whatever. Camping everything was fine.

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And this friend of mine is named
Dwayne. He's a rug and old

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hunter. I don't think he's afraid
of much. He's been charged by grizzly

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bears twice, and I had been
bothering and any of these things were up

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here that people didn't believe him.
And anyway, I was introduced soon and

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I wanted to go up onting.
Nobody had ever went up on me.

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I did, and we had action. He was going on. Everything was

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fine, and then one evening when
we're there, we're camping in this metal

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area that's a good, pretty high
elevation. It's back in a ways,

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and I was sitting in my chair, sitting on a beer, and him

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and his dad, we had grandfather
there too, and they were they went

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to laid down the tent. It
was getting and I was sitting outside of

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the tent and the chair, and
I asked him what kind of sounds because

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he's been up there, camping there
and honey, mostly by himself for over

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forty years, annoying those things over
there, and over forty years he only

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got to see one once and it
which about from about three hundred feet,

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and only one time with him being
there all the time, was so gusy

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an idea, But I asked him, I said what kind of sound you

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heard over the years? Order mean
you come out with hunting load of her.

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And so I said, I'm going
to share a sound idea that iired

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one time. So I came off
with the one I just us tried to

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come out with you. And if
you hear that Ron Moore had taped hears

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sounds, order about the third one
is it? But I so I did

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that and pretty loud. And I
was just sitting there dreamer, and about

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fifteen minutes later, twenty minutes or
whatever, we heard these things coming from

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a distance along distance, just falling
and raising hill and screamed. Something was

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very agitated, and there was more
than one, and they were coming our

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way. But the way I knew
exactly what it was coming. And I

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said, oh, I said,
any of those sounds, because these things

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A couple of them are coming up
like crazy agitated Jim Panzi's and another one

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was coming off someone like a mad
owl, and another one was coming off

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like a coyote, and another one
like a raven, and all of them

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are going at the same time,
and they're headed our way and they're getting

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louder, And so I said,
I asked him they were still in the

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tent. I said, do you
ever hear anything like that? Easy out,

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No, not quite like that.
When I said, yeah, we

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knew what they were, and I
said, I think this is a premier

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of the coming attraction. And I
jump got in the tent pretty quick with

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them. There were just enough room
with the three of us, and they're

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coming. They're getting louder. By
the time they got to where we're at,

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it was it was totally dark,
and they came that We could hear

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him coming in the circling and the
back of the mental coming around just within

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the tree wine and they came directly
behind our tent, and just for an

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hour and a half they just they
chair rises. We actually didn't think we

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were going there to the night.
It was so bad. There's no way

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to explain it how intense it really
was. Two of them coming off like

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chimpanzees and crazy champanzee in the other
animals sounds, and you could tell they

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were running back and forth, and
one of them was charging pump pump pump

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pumped right up heavy and just running
it right up to the tent and then

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it run back. And they did
that every once in while. They did

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it for about an hour and a
half and every time the one that it

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was charging your grace for impact,
because it felt like it was gonna you

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learn, he was going to come
and take the chance and you with it

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and just go right on through.
That's what I felt like. It was

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up on a dime, right that
they had just sundent like right there at

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the champ before it came through.
Then run back and yeah, that was

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pretty terrifying that and I was that
I could document that would be something but

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a chance. But anyway, they
ended up going around the other site and

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he did a complete circle actually,
and I went back around and went back

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down the same way and you're gonna
hear him keep going until they started fading

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out. While they were fading out
and fade ountil you couldn't hear them anymore.

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And that that was a while they
so any way, the a scared

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with Jesus out of this. And
what's interesting that one of the things that

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is is that the day before I
had we we were doing our recon around

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there and we've seen a track of
one, but it was a smaller track.

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It was probably about twelve inches maybe
a little less. Are they would

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just see the impression what it was, and it was going a certain way,

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and there was a tree right there
too. It looked like it and

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a little kathleen like. And that's
when we were I said, let's get

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some food and put out on a
tree. I hadn't tried to put food

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up, and I thought, oh
gosh, I had a perfect tree that

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shit brewed up and stuff. So
that we went to town and we got

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bananas, and we've been out and
put them on the tree. Next morning

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we went out and checked and those
tracks were coming from the tree, and

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the bananas were gone, and there
were snow scratch underneath the tree or anything

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something. I had taken the bananas. So that's why we set up for

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camp. Yeah, I think together, or said our camp up here.

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So we did. So that evening
that happened, and of course they were

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anxious to get out of there.
The grandpa, he never said a word

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or sitting. None of us were
early talking, not till it was over

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it. They were leaving, and
the lesson of the stories that funny.

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One might them skipper for now.
But next morning everybody was in ours.

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Soon as it got daybreak, we
were ready to go. They were standing

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there for a little bit talking,
and I because I'm trying to figure out

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what the hell is going on.
We'd been going in there and we know

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they were coming around, and then
we hadn't had any problems, and they

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just went holistic crazy this night.
And I'll tell them dwine, I said,

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my god, I wonder what happened? Why did they do that?

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I'm thinking because I was telling them
that the younger one took them dan as

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it looked like from the tracks he
might have taken back to the old man,

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and the old man might have got
pissed off, said us forgiveness kids

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from food. And I'm trying to
I'm just trying to figure it out.

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And then he says, no,
this guy is a season hunter, and

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he's said all over a game hunter. He said no, he said they

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were here for you. I feel
the shivers and shills go right downline neck.

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I said, far for me?
Why? But he says, last

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night, he said, when you
come up with this sound, He says,

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twenty minutes they were headed here.
He says, they came here for

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you. I thought, oh shit. But so anyway, we left and

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I did go back and I took
him home and I went back only because

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I had a print as a big
fun hunter happened to be in the house.

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The house there donned them all.
I don't know if you ever heard

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of him, but yeah, he
was at my house. He came from

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Montana, just happened to be here
when I came here that day after the

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camped out there. And he's a
big time big hunters. He's eighty years

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old, he's still going out and
he's quite a fellow. That I told

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him, and he seemed to go
up there. No, I didn't want

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to go back. I was still
freaking nervous. I took him back up

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there and we walked around on it, and I found a scene where they

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came in. It was like they
just leveled the brush and everything and there

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wasn't anything a big path where it
must have been four feet wide where they

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came in and went through around,
but it was too hard. Chine really

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distinguished old tracks, but it was
all missed up scretch or would either tell

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where the footprints were back and forth, nothing to cast. It was hard

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ground. But on the other side
where they went out, I found two

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trash in the softer areas, and
the first one I seen was I measured

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it by getting a streaking a stick
up. I didn't have any paper or

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measuring stuff. I broke a stick
off and measured it later. But this

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one track was fifteen inches and to
nine inches. It was a teen inches

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long most to nine inches like at
the ball, and put to seven inches

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at the heel. And not far
from that there was another track. And

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then it had stepped right down where
it was soft foili or grass or r

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and what. I don't know what
you told the stuff, but anyway,

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it was heavy and it was spongy
like material underneath the canopy and a soft

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moist ground right in this area.
And this thing had stepped right there and

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right down there, right down to
the riot you see the roots system and

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stuff. I jumped on it,
and the area's right there at the track,

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and I jumped and it just like
a sponge. It went down and

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it came back up this whatever.
It was so heavy it went right down

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and laid the bare roots. And
the track was twenty three inches long and

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about nine and a half inches wide
and seven just out the hill. So

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that was a big daddy guy,
and that's someone I guess I pissed off.

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Dwayne had said that he wasn't going
to ever go back. He'd been

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hunting over there over forty years with
him and then was fathered. But that

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really did it for him and pretty
much me too. And about five months

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later I wanted to go back up
there, and I went by and I

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asked him, so lescope up there
and let's just go, And I said,

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I said, Dyne, I said
this daytime, it's summertime. I

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see in the afternoon it's hot.
I said, they're going to be out

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sleeping somewhere. I said, I
wouldn't worry about it. Let's go up

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there. Let's just go. And
I talk him into it, and his

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daughter came alone to want to introduced
me to him, and we went up

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there. And are you still with
me? Yes, Ronnie, I am

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just I'm letting you talk because this
is amazing. I'm doing my best,

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try to ask questions, but this
is amazing. I'm so used to somebody

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interrupting me or taking off for healing
somethody. It's taken me years to get

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to the point not to interrupt people. But I just hope the guy didn't

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get hang up. Think there is
so much cool. So anyway, it's

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all true. I don't sit around
mixed stuff like this up In fact,

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I take the serious je does subject
too seriously to do that. So we

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went up there, and I just
want to I'm thinking, because I was

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a little nervous going back, but
I got now, now these things are

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gonna now that'd be sleeping somewhere,
and I really convinced myself of that.

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And we got out there in part
right far from the metal, and I

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had my car, They took their
feet to his daughter took the jeep,

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they drove the net and I had
my little green car and we were parked

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right there on the access road,
right next to the metal. I was

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back in the metal a little bit, and we were there, and that

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these if you hear some animals or
birds chirping and from usually okay, there's

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pretty good sign they're not there unless
you want them to be there. It

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was just completely silent. That's a
good sign that they're probably around. But

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these little birds were chirping on the
other side of the metal. It's pretty

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good, signed Mettal. About a
hundred seat across or more the front and

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the birds, little birds like sundling, little finches or something that I'm hearing

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the birds and I'm looking at the
daughter. She's staring over that area.

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She's a pretty smart girl. Nobody's
said anything. I'm looking over the way

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too. She starts chirping, and
then she's got like a pattern, chrip,

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but kind of like a pattern coming
from the little birdie over there too.

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And she yeah, it changed,
it was different these the chirping.

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I'm still not I'm not sure.
She walks over there. It was about

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sixty feet and when she got when
in fifteen feet, the little birdie started

407
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:13.079
picking up and trimping, chip getting
excited. But maybe birdies can get excited

408
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.759
somebody walking towards it. But she
got she didn't go any further. And

409
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.839
still nobody's saying anything or just watching. And she turned around him walked back

410
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:29.160
to us, me and her dad, and they were really going crazy.

411
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:34.880
And then something else was happening.
Two two squirrels came off about the time,

412
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.599
off the distance and towards the bottoms. What it's called the bottoms,

413
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:44.119
And it's a fascinating area. That's
the first place we camped out. When

414
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:45.480
I went up there, I thought
it was a good place. It's about

415
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:51.519
hours hike down in there and it's
like the old girls and stuff and creek

416
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:57.400
and cabbage and given tell and part
of the swamp and the other I'm a

417
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.000
perfect place for those things. That's
where we the first night. And we

418
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:06.079
actually had two of them that night. That was long before this. And

419
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.799
yeah, keep up with me if
you can, because I get sidetracked sometimes.

420
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:14.440
But I'm going to get back to
what I was saying. But they

421
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.400
that first night we had and whist
for both sides, and next morning we

422
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.400
figured what it was. Next morning
we knew going out of the bottoms hiking

423
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.359
starting to hide because the rocks were
hitting the trees ahead of acision going out,

424
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.200
So that confirmed what it was.
But that's why it was Okay,

425
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:37.440
we weren't having a problem on Now
it's changed now now we're there, got

426
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:45.440
the daughter and she's back, and
two squirrels the bottoms that are in the

427
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:51.119
direction of the bottoms. They're going
off crazy. And Duane said, and

428
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:55.200
ething knows his wildlife or the worms
right on up. But he said that

429
00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:01.039
something's coming this way. And it
was just right after he said that,

430
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:06.680
which we could hear him coming.
It was the same freaking sounds that night.

431
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:12.519
Now this is three o'clock in the
afternoon, and they're coming that crazy

432
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:20.079
chimpanzees sounds and the whole sand are
that kyote rather in that raven and owl?

433
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.199
All the five of them. I
count at five the way. I

434
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.000
thought there was a lot more than
that, but I'm going by the sounds.

435
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.159
I thought there was fide but a
very out a way, getting louder

436
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:35.519
and louder, just like the night, except this the daytime, and they

437
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.079
knew we were there, and it's
like this second time, they're gonna have

438
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:44.800
to freaking warnish, you know.
But they come out there and behind the

439
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.920
girls on the other side of the
matter was probably about one hundred feet away,

440
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.800
and they came up to that.
You could tell they were right there

441
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:58.079
screaming and hollering and sounded like surrounding
sound amplified and echoing. It's just so

442
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:04.960
loud. They weren't coming out in
the open. They were right there and

443
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.880
screaming in holland and Delayne asked his
day, said do you want to leave?

444
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:13.880
Because she was pacing back and forth. She said yeah and again in

445
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.639
the car and left. He asked
me, they said, you coming nice.

446
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.400
I don't know why, And I
said, no, I'm gonna stick

447
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.320
around a little bit. And I'm
not a brave person. I don't know

448
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:29.840
why I do some things. I
can't believe why I do some things.

449
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:34.639
But anyway, they laughed, and
that was a lonely feeling, watching her

450
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:39.119
black jeep going on at the dirt
road and tree woods on both sides of

451
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.239
them. And then I'm here.
These things are screaming in Holland and it's

452
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:49.840
me. I guess they want and
I'm staying, which sounds crazy. And

453
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:53.599
I'm looking at my currents about twenty
feet away, and it's pointed in a

454
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:58.880
direction that is a dead end on
that road. So I get in and

455
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:02.400
I have to turn around on and
I got a pretty good idea these things

456
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.840
to from reports. These things ken
move, They're quick, they want you,

457
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.599
They're going to get you. I'm
thinking, my gosh, I don't

458
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.840
want them to have to think about
it. They might just change in the

459
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.880
car. Getting in there and turning
around take a little time. I'm I

460
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.559
don't like to, but I start
walking towards the car because closer to it

461
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:29.679
I am the safer I feel.
And I as I'm walking towards it,

462
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.559
it's like I got two voices in
my head I run, saying get the

463
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:39.679
hell out of here, run go, and the other one saying no,

464
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.800
if you go, you're going to
kick yourself and about the rest of your

465
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.840
life. This is why you're here. And I just kept going back and

466
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:52.519
forth as I'm walking towards the car
because I wanted to get out of there,

467
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:58.360
but I didn't. I walked to
the front of the car, leaned

468
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.400
up against the hood. Now these
things are immacum me. Now I got

469
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:07.039
my back at them, and they're
just still screaming and holler and barely carrying

470
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.920
on. And I just I was
determined that one voice, whatever it was,

471
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.800
I'm one out. But I thought, this is it. I'm staying.

472
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:21.599
I don't care if they tear me
apart. I'm staying here. And

473
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.760
as soon as I thought that,
I'm not really into the spine speak stuff,

474
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.800
but it was almost like becau.
As soon as I thought that,

475
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.079
I'm staying here, even if they'll
have even if they tear me apart.

476
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:39.559
As soon as I thought that,
another sound joined in with them, and

477
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:49.880
it was the most hideous, deep
gurgling growl, I like straight from hell

478
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.760
or something. And it was loud. It's just as loud as them,

479
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.159
and they were so loud already,
and it was just a growl because I

480
00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:01.159
knew, and it just it.
And as soon as I heard that,

481
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:07.119
because this spella sounded real serious,
I was already bad enough. And when

482
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.840
that joined in, I thought,
oh, I changed my mind, and

483
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:17.920
I walked around slowly to my car
and opened the door and just still go

484
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.559
on. But as soon as I
sat down, I hadn't even closed the

485
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:27.559
door yet, it was silence.
They all shut up, and which I

486
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.920
knew right then. They did what
they accomplished what they wanted. So I

487
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:36.159
drove out of the slow, turned
around, got the cartooned around, and

488
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.199
drove back out. I had to
be within probably sixty feet up or something

489
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:43.599
back and then in the brush I
had the windows down and went slow.

490
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.840
I didn't hear anything. You wouldn't
know that anything was there, and I

491
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.599
yelled out the window on the way
on, I said I love you.

492
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.239
I don't know why I said that, but I went out and I thought,

493
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:59.119
oh boy, that's it. I
had my big foot days are over,

494
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.760
and I thought, I'm content.
I don't need it. I don't

495
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.960
need that just too much. And
I went back home and I was glad

496
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:10.719
to be relieved because I don't want
to grow, but then again it started

497
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.519
to bother me and I that,
holy shit, I'm just thinking about it.

498
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:21.280
I can't get off my mind,
and I I it's like a loose

499
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.800
end or something. I'm leaving something, and I didn't feel good about it.

500
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.480
But I'm terrified to go back.
And I ain't got nobody to go

501
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:35.719
with me either. I'm alone,
and I just wanted to move back,

502
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.159
but I'm not going to go back, especially and push the envelope. Two

503
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:44.360
stern warnings. At least one at
least you thought that first time, you

504
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.840
really thought you were going to die. And these things can scare They a

505
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.960
lot of there's they could terrify you. It's no wonder I believe that.

506
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.840
And I've interviewed a lot of people
over the years, and military people that

507
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:04.239
have been through this and been to
con that without fail. Somebody that's had

508
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.039
combat and had an experience with me
just seeing him not I don't think as

509
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.920
bad as what we went through,
has said that this is more frightening or

510
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.320
more terrorizing than being an OAR.
And I know where they're coming from,

511
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:21.840
at least with this experience and anyway
that I'm laying here, and I thought

512
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.679
I felt guilty too, because Dwayne
had told me said now he says,

513
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.159
I never had a problem with him
till I brought you up here. And

514
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.719
I'm thinking, my gosh, I
this is awful. And it took me

515
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.840
two weeks later on I'm back and
thinking about it, and I thought,

516
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.760
my god, I want to go
back, and I'm freaking. I'm just

517
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.760
it's gonna take a lot. They
have to have a reason. I thought,

518
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:50.000
God, I wonder if I could
change it around, if I could

519
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.480
change around and get him back for
the kissed off and agitated, maybe that

520
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:58.239
would be worth a try. That's
the only way I would go back,

521
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:01.119
if there was a chance. And
I thought of it, Gosh, I'll

522
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:05.559
go back from the food. They
wouldn't text that food either. That they

523
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:10.400
walked by those bananas. We had
fresh but bananas back up and there after

524
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.039
the younger one had taken them and
this things went in that night and they

525
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:19.440
passed that tree up twice. There
was going in and coming back out,

526
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.360
and they didn't touch on bananas.
They didn't want them. They were too

527
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.760
they that's how pissed they were.
But so anyway, I thought about it,

528
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.360
and I thought, God, this
scene, it's really simple. The

529
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.559
best ways music, right, I'll
get some stuff maybe and go back and

530
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.440
put some food up in the tree, and this time I'll take a guitar

531
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.639
and sing a little fit. And
it took me a while. I don't

532
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.880
know what it was. After I
thought of that, how many days I

533
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:51.119
said, thought about him, and
I was terrified even think about it doing

534
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.960
it. But one morning I did
it. I just got up and I

535
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:57.719
just said, I'll do it.
I'm going and I went by the supermarket

536
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.840
and I got some fruit and stuff
and I went out there putting a tree.

537
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.320
I had a chair and a six
back and look a guitar, and

538
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.559
I put the food up in the
chair. And the tree is back in

539
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.320
away from the access road about one
hundred feet, so when I'm putting the

540
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.320
food up, takes ten or fifteen
minutes put it off through the tree,

541
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.920
and I looked back, and then
it would have been my worst nightmare of

542
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.639
saying, oh my god, I
hope doing this. I don't look back,

543
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.039
and when I'm standing there by my
car or in between me and the

544
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:30.960
car, and have a heart attack. But it didn't happen. So I

545
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:36.079
did that, and I did it
before I got in. I was doing

546
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:42.280
it for three months. There was
about three weeks in between that I didn't

547
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.480
because a Barrett caught on and he
just made a mess of everything, getting

548
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:51.239
the food and containers I had and
everybody. And I'd stayed the way for

549
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.400
over we hope he'd go away right
and then come back, and he had

550
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.960
been done. A couple of days
later he came back in. So I

551
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.400
stopped it for another two weeks.
Then I started putting the fruit back up,

552
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:07.559
doing my thing and singing and playing
the guitar all together with all this,

553
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.440
and sometimes of the fruit or whatever
I have would totally rot twice,

554
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:19.239
get rotted and go back up there. And it's also written and nothing touched

555
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.239
it. That happened twice. When
then that three months And I don't know

556
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:28.559
why that happened. Somebody out there
from maht no but I. But the

557
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.320
rest of the time that other animals
or critters or ravens, the birds and

558
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:37.639
squirrels or whatever it would get get
the food, apples or whatever. They

559
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:43.559
always left droppings and food parts or
whatever. But an appeals are the end

560
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.760
of it or whatever there's always a
mess, no matter what got into them

561
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.679
after doing that, Like I said, three months, I was persistent at

562
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:54.719
it, and I'm just scared to
death every time I had a doubt here

563
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:59.639
to drive up there, but it
did it anyway. And this one day

564
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.159
I'm going by and get some food
and take them back up and nothing was

565
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.519
happening there for the second time we're
up there. Didn't take them want to

566
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:10.679
know we were there in the daytime
and coming after, ask her. I

567
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:15.320
am, I've been there for almost
three months and there was some silent times,

568
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.960
but no activities, no sounds,
no nothing. So I don't know.

569
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.559
I'm sure those things. This is
an established area, there's no doubt

570
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:29.599
about that. And I'm sure they
were there at some time during that three

571
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.880
months. And yet they I don't
know. They must have been sit back

572
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.840
and maybe watched me and watching this
crazy fellow that came back after threatening the

573
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.360
Jollney twice. Maybe it thought I
was crazy, wanted to study me.

574
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:45.039
I don't know, but nothing happened, no sounds going. But anyway,

575
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:52.000
towards the end of the third month, I went by the supermarket. Nothing.

576
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.599
I don't know if there's head any
to do with it's coincident. I

577
00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:00.320
don't think it did. I think
someone happened anyway. But I I've got

578
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.360
some fruit, and I guess some
bananas all and I was taking up peanut

579
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.679
butter at that time too, peanut
butter certain ways. But I had gotten

580
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:13.280
a BlackBerry cobbler, a half a
one, and I had it in a

581
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.800
container, a clear container where you
could see through it, and it snapped

582
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:21.960
on the sides like a pie container. You've seen them. They're clear,

583
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.920
you can see through them, and
they snapped on the side. But I

584
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:29.079
took it all up there and I
put the bananas, peanut butter or through

585
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:31.920
the lambs and tied the some of
the food and stuff up up from the

586
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.559
bottom of the tub, and I
on a cobbler. I put it in

587
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:40.679
a cloth bag, shopping bag.
It was flopped a heavy duty cloth and

588
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:45.760
I put the cobbler container with a
cobbler and about eight feet up on a

589
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:52.559
lamb, and I sit there for
about twenty minutes or a hundred, about

590
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.760
seventy feet from the tree, and
played some songs and saying drink one or

591
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.079
two beers. The impact up left
out other when this morning I come back

592
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:06.039
and I'm learning to traue. I
had I had a dozen bananas around the

593
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:08.199
tree. They weren't there. I
could tell that when I'm approaching the tree,

594
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.960
they weren't there. And I'm looking
down at the ground. There's no

595
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.559
mesh. All these other animals have
always made a mess, no matter what

596
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:21.239
it was, or left the part
of something. There's no messes clean.

597
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.719
And I think, I know that's
a good sign. And now I'm looking

598
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.480
at that bag with the cobbler,
and I take it down and look at

599
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:37.880
it, and the containers still in
the bottom, but cobbler is gone,

600
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:44.320
and the bottom of the container is
clean. So I can only imagine maybe

601
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:50.800
something lifted clean and it was snapped
back shut and it was still in that

602
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:55.440
bag. Woo who. They started
taking the food and I go back to

603
00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:00.239
town to tell Dwayne. I said, Dwayne, you've got to come up.

604
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.000
I said, you've just got to
come up. I want your opinion

605
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.719
on this. And then I took
him up there and I put the bag

606
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.400
up eight feet. I took it
down and showed him holding no scraps around

607
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.840
here and all that, and I
look at it. This is clean in

608
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.440
here, this container's clean. And
what really got him that it would have

609
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.639
been snapped back, and he told
me, he said that I don't know.

610
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.480
He says, I don't know if
anything would have could have done that.

611
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:32.679
And I knew I was successful at
that point. On that I took

612
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.199
him back. I put some more
food up. I put twelve apples up

613
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:42.679
after that, and I went back
up by myself, and I every time,

614
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.599
I man really have to get my
nerve butt to go back up there.

615
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:51.280
But I went up there next day
and I could tell walking up to

616
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:55.000
the tree, apples are gone.
And I'm looking around there's no scraps,

617
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:01.480
and oh boy, and I I'm
looking there's one apple on the lowest limb

618
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:06.320
that I put one down below,
and it's right there. There was one

619
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:10.199
apple and it hadn't been touched.
And I don't know, but I'm thinking

620
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.039
he might have been a feat like
peace offering we're good. At least that's

621
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.719
the way I wanted to think of
it. And so I did a little

622
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.039
singing thing and I left, did
the same thing, repeat to come back.

623
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:29.159
Gone no sounds, no nothing,
and did a little singing thing.

624
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.599
Left, I come back. I
think it was about the fourth time a

625
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.719
day come back. And now I'm
sitting there. I put food up,

626
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:43.519
and I go sit in my chair
and step on a beer and start playing.

627
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:49.440
And now I'm hearing I'm hearing the
website, little high pitched sounds and

628
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.119
stuff, and back me back in
the woods a little bit, and the

629
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.519
old boy I did it. I'm
thinking I did it, but I'm still

630
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.320
nervous. I'm scared. I'm not
really thinking it that way until the next

631
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:05.960
time, and I know it's these
things back in there for the whoops and

632
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:09.239
stuff, and just like the sound
you hear that people say they've reported and

633
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.800
the whooping. So now I'm hearing
it for the second time, and it

634
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:19.159
just dawned on me. I succeeded
in what I wanted to do to turn

635
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.440
it around. And I don't know
why I didn't think that before, but

636
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:23.440
I didn't, And all of a
sudden it hit me. And it's like

637
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.559
a hundred pounds of weight just went
right off my shoulders and stress and stuff,

638
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.800
and so it was all right.
It was great, and it felt

639
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:38.119
good, it was comfortable. It's
a pretty pretty amazing feeling to be connected

640
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:45.119
in some way to something like that. That's just I it's hard to explain,

641
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:50.000
like a connected with another world or
something, and I and on a

642
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.800
friendly basis too us what a feeling, But I sarted a thing. I

643
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:58.519
drive out of there, and I
don't know why, had it happened a

644
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.119
lot. I kept going back.
They're they're waiting for me, but I

645
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.639
was scared every morning. I was
just I had all I could do to

646
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.559
get my nervous. Even though it
had been pleasant, it was still nerve

647
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:13.880
wracking that they'd go back once I
was there and they were doing the thing,

648
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.840
and I'm explaining and saying it was
fine, but I was always scared

649
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.519
the next morning to go up.
And I don't know why, but I

650
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.719
was. And someone was really interesting
I had done and I changed it around

651
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.400
and had about a feeling. I
so I'm glad I didn't sit on my

652
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:34.280
ass risk my life wondering about it. But so I did that and it

653
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:39.079
really got interesting. But I still
didn't want to go by myself, and

654
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:44.760
I wanted company or somebody who went
into something and these I felt a big

655
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:51.320
guy. It works out he's a
Mexican bullat and he's been to prison all

656
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.800
the stubby. He's actually a good
guy, like he was a friend,

657
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.360
but he'd not into this big foot
or stuff or anything in the woods or

658
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.199
letter. But he knew what I
was doing. I thought, he lives

659
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.760
a Daddi town. Before I start
off in the road to go back up

660
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:07.679
there, and I don't want to
drop by just for the hell of it

661
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.679
and see if he wants to go, because I wanted company. And he

662
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.199
surprised me and said, yeah,
I'll go with you. So he did.

663
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.840
Now all this stuff had been happening
with me. So now I'm taking

664
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:25.159
him up there, and we get
right to this place right by the meadow

665
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.159
right and close the trees down to
part as soon as we pulled him.

666
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.559
As soon as we got out of
the car, I'm ahead of him walking

667
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.199
towards the tree and he's behind me. And those things started off with working

668
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:42.239
and stuff. It a little more
aggressive. There was some stocking and a

669
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.639
little bit there was just a little
bit different than maybe a little inaccimidating,

670
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.800
and especially somebody had never experienced anything. And I looked back at him,

671
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:58.719
and he his eyes were ready,
the bowls right out, and he looked

672
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:00.719
in his face was priors. He
said, I think I want to go,

673
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.639
and I said, I said so, I said, this is I

674
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:08.880
said this, it's just getting started. I want to go off, I

675
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:13.599
added, taking honor. But I
did that in a couple of times.

676
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:17.360
I took another fell up there some
time in between. It wasn't very often,

677
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:22.119
but if I could find someone to
go. But he walked back in

678
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.719
a little bit, big stuff on
the ground and a smell. I never

679
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:29.559
ever smelled anything with him at this
guy did, and he was a hike

680
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.320
or hike the mountains of stuff,
never having screens. He did one cut

681
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:37.039
back either. I took the one
that was really interesting. Third guy I

682
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:44.000
took back up there. He had
he used to live here in this small

683
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.360
county, had it elk and deer, and thought there was a hunter and

684
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:52.079
he was interesting big foot and a
bar to. But he was interesting big

685
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.440
But I talked to him about it
when he lived here, and he was

686
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:58.719
just intrigued with it. But he
had never seen the evidence. Hunting here

687
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:02.039
for thirteen years and he got divorced, so he went to New York,

688
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:06.119
where he's got family. But he
comes out here about once a year and

689
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.079
spend a few days and business with
some family, his kid and stuff.

690
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:15.880
But anyway, he was out here
and gave me a call and he wanted

691
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:17.519
to spend a day with me before
he went back to New York. I

692
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:21.199
said, yeah, it'd be great. So I came over to telling me

693
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.400
then yet and when he showed up, I said, he I think I

694
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:29.079
over big was at and he's he
got excited. Nothing, that's great.

695
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.920
So we went up there. I
always thought that these things knew because they

696
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.239
were there waiting for me when we
had this going and I paid that day.

697
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:43.840
Knew when I was coming because of
my car, if I remember right,

698
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:51.559
I think that we took his van
and we were up there and probably

699
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:58.119
maybe ten minutes before the area that
I stopped at where the tree is in

700
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.760
the meadow. I mean, saw
woods a mountain there and you can't see

701
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:07.519
and it's a ways away yet,
and I was driving up there towards it,

702
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:13.920
and then I got the food and
everything. But I hadn't heard the

703
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.400
sound up there yet. I did
hear it in the Ciscus in northern California.

704
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:21.639
But I heard the sound that sounds
like an aerid, you know that

705
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:27.400
one. And he heard it and
his eyes got big and he looked at

706
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.440
me and he pointed, and I
said, of course. By this time,

707
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.599
I'm used to him pretty used to
him being there, even though I

708
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.519
hadn't heard that sound before and they
hadn't come up with that one up there.

709
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:42.239
And I looked at him and I
said, yeah, I said that

710
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.880
a fellow, he's just he's letting
us know that he knows we're coming,

711
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:50.719
or he's getting in the troops.
We made it and we arrived to the

712
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:54.360
spot. We get out. As
soon as we got out the trees darting

713
00:54:54.559 --> 00:55:01.360
spar was part trees. Not far
there was a grunt coming from the other

714
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.840
side of the mental on the other
side of the road, away from the

715
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.840
tree. It was several hundred feet
I guess about three hundre feet back in

716
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:13.880
the air. And I checked that
out on the YouTube later on after I

717
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:15.519
got out of there and tent it
was gorilla. It sounded just like a

718
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:22.760
freaking gorilla. Anyway, you heard
that grunt and he's not saying anything.

719
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.440
Were silent, but he pointed me
and look, I said, I just

720
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:30.840
shook my hand. And about a
minute later that was on the other side

721
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.000
of this metal we're looking at,
and then on the other side of the

722
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:38.119
metal, and said, grunt came
off again, and he said, I

723
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:42.599
think sentence in circling us. I
said, guy, I do too,

724
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:47.719
that's what you would think it was
in sequence a grunt there, a little

725
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.119
bit of grunt like something's going in
this direction, and a grunt further down

726
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.400
in the same direction going. And
then about a mental later there was a

727
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.760
grunt behind us, behind and think
of all, it across the road further

728
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.760
down the access road. Now it's
behind us on the left because they're grunt

729
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.599
there. About a minute later there
was a ground behind us on the other

730
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:15.480
side of us, behind us,
and so that's five grounds and it sounded

731
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:20.360
just like something and circled us.
And so he's this guy. He's not

732
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:25.000
your typical fellow. Most people wouldn't. That would have been enough. They'd

733
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:29.400
wanted to get peel out of there. The screen would have done it before

734
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.239
we got back in there. He
was excited and he's just looking around,

735
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:36.480
and he's a big guy. He's
like an old hill building or something.

736
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:38.840
But he's already's got a good arm, and he's just excited and he's looking

737
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:42.159
around and stuff. Now, I
I wonder what he's looking for. I'm

738
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.360
leaning up in the car and he's
and he sees a tree branchalm and he

739
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.679
says, hey, can I grab
that? And whacked that tree. I

740
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.480
don't make any sounds, but he
deserved it. I'm just I was more

741
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:59.480
interested in him at this point,
and I was the big foot. I

742
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.519
said yeah, I said, and
plus he asked permission. I'm gosh,

743
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:07.000
I don't get that much respect usually
it's pretty neat. So I said,

744
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:08.719
yeah, take it, go ahead
and grab it, and go ahead do

745
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:10.920
it. I said, I don't
do it because I don't know what I'm

746
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:15.480
conveying, but go ahead. He
whacked at once. He whacked it twice,

747
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:19.480
then he whacked at the third time. In the third time he did

748
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:24.840
it. Those five grunts from those
five positions came off at the same time.

749
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:32.760
We were already surrounded. What do
you think of that? How do

750
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:40.159
you figure that one out? I'm
still here, dude, this is nuts.

751
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:45.239
Okay, I have a clarification question
real quick. I don't want to

752
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.599
I don't want to distract you at
all. But how long ago? Was

753
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:55.280
this? About? Two years ago? Two years ago? Ronnie? Yeah,

754
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:59.559
I couldn't get back in there.
I would have continued doing what I

755
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:02.119
was doing, but I had to
go to Florida fall end of seven months.

756
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.000
There and that was the beginning of
spring a couple of years ago,

757
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.039
and I and then I got back
here and there was a fire going,

758
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:14.760
so I couldn't get back in there. Then when it was coming there was

759
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:19.960
snow. Then the next year I
freaking fire again, and so I haven't

760
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.920
been able to get back and there's
been blocked off. I did manage for

761
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:25.119
a little while one of the fires. I got back up in there and

762
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:29.360
I put a food back up and
there. I have been able to get

763
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.119
back and check it out. And
right now still snow up in there and

764
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.519
muddy, and I am afraid I'll
get stuck. It's the ways back in,

765
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:38.400
but I so I haven't been able
to get back up in there.

766
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:45.639
Everybody, but I did get up
there for a little bit before putting problems

767
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:50.880
with anybody, because I was worried
that the fire had taken this whole area

768
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.880
out. I thought, oh God, that'd be my luck, established area

769
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:57.920
with a family and these things,
and it freaking destroy. In fact,

770
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.480
that's what everybody was saying, fire
where that. Guys are a hid of

771
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.519
these fires are correcting or whatever that. Because I was asking around, they

772
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.639
said, lest pretty much that's gone. It wasn't. I got up when

773
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.559
there was calm or and you get
access to get back in there and stuff

774
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:16.559
that a growth back in this or
where these things were was twice as thick

775
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:20.000
at the end of growth there,
which so it's even better. And I've

776
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:24.360
seen beer there too, So I'm
thinking that all that smoke and activity everything,

777
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:28.719
but that they would have had to
have left. But whether they came

778
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.639
back or not, not sure,
but I got a feeling they probably would

779
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:36.239
and it hadn't been touched, so
that was great. As soon as I

780
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.320
get back up in there, I'm
gonna try to shit. Yeah, but

781
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:42.800
it's only done a couple of years
since, and I left on good terms.

782
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:47.719
Ronnie, can you share anything about
Can you share anything about where that

783
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:54.840
area or the general location of that
area is for context? I get it.

784
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:59.199
I totally get that, Ronnie.
Can you is it a wet Can

785
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:04.400
you at least there? Share the
state? Oh, it's Oregon. It's

786
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.920
Oregon. Okay. In fact,
I'll tell you this, I'll take you

787
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:08.719
the city. Yeah, I can
tell you that. It's not a city,

788
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:13.840
it's a town. It's about two
or three miles long. It's surrounded

789
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.679
by mountains and there it's places Eugene. But did it's oak Ridge? Oak

790
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:23.880
Ridge surrounded by mountains and woods those
reports around here Oftener. Yeah, I

791
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:29.079
can tell you all about some interesting
reports. Actually, how long ago did

792
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:32.320
the Dwayne do your incident when Dwayne
was with you? How long ago did

793
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:37.599
that happen? Then? Two years? Well, that all happened within the

794
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:43.239
year. That's about two years,
except that except for that three months,

795
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:46.400
I was mostly by myself. But
yeah, he was there all the time.

796
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.639
Yeah, did I'll tell you something
funny to any funny because he was

797
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:59.039
he was really happy to us up
there, would and he would he would

798
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:00.480
go up there and eat. At
the beginning, he'd say, this my

799
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.559
research area. And it was on
any saying. Every once when he'd say

800
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:08.119
that, he had in the car
one time because they'd been up there and

801
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:13.079
we had some other just other things
that happened. I don't know how much

802
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.679
time with that, but time he
said this is one time he sorry says

803
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:20.320
that this is our research area.
He said, there I go. He

804
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.039
said, I'm saying our research area
now, And I thought it was kind

805
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.760
of nice. But when we were
coming up when he said he spotted that

806
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:31.400
track, he just excellent as a
track, a tracker and animals. And

807
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:36.920
when he's seen that track coming from
the trees where I got that's where I

808
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:38.920
got to get to put that food
up in that tree. He's seen that,

809
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.960
and God, yes, and he
had to point it out to me.

810
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.639
I would have walked right over.
But that's when he hit me on

811
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:50.280
the back. He said, this
is our research area. That was pretty

812
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.199
nag. That makes it feel good. That night when we I said let's

813
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:57.000
camp out here, that's all I
should do in that metal over there,

814
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.239
put up our and I guess up
the tree line and the court. That

815
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:07.760
night they came in and doing that
and went through all that, and after

816
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:12.719
they left, we're still here and
leaving that Dwayne's he's cussing, he's ship

817
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.760
but you summon be just going on
and saying, oh shit. And this

818
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:20.800
guy's got a champer, I know. And I'm thinking, oh God,

819
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:22.960
I hope he's not just to me
for getting him in this situation. I'm

820
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:28.559
the one suggested camping here and he
says a cussing and cuss and I ain't

821
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.599
saying that, no, Grandpa.
He's right in the middle of us.

822
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.639
And he never did say any about
anything. I found. I thought he

823
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.119
was pretty brave. I found a
later on he was terrified. He ever

824
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.920
going back out on the woods,
Grandpa. But Dwayne, he's just cussing

825
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:44.880
away. I just finally had to
say something. I said, Dwayne,

826
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:51.960
I said, why'd you cussing that? He says, I'm cussing myself.

827
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:58.320
I'm because myself for getting myself in
this situation. And I said we could

828
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:01.840
still hear him fading out. I
said, Dwayne, they're leaving, done

829
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:07.000
it. I said, He said, Yo, they're gone. He said

830
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:09.760
they're not coming back. Because I
didn't know that for one hundred percent.

831
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:14.639
But I didn't feel they were at
that point. They didn't hurt us,

832
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.559
they didn't kill us, and things
don't warn you that much anyway. I

833
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.039
just thought we were okay. They
accomplished the mission. Scared that the Jesus

834
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.480
said of us, but they because
that doesn't mean they can't change your mind.

835
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:29.119
But I told her, I said, they're not coming back. And

836
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.679
then he said, how do you
know? I said, they just not.

837
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:35.199
They did what they wanted to do. They scared, they held out

838
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.119
of us for you, we won't
come back. He kept cussing anyway,

839
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:42.199
And at that point I was going
to go sleep. I actually felt okay,

840
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:45.320
I'm pretty much anyway, not all, not one hundred percent. He

841
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:51.039
just kept cussing, and I said, Dwayne, what I said, this

842
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:59.000
is our research area? He said, this is your research area. I

843
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:04.800
don't want to be a searcher.
That is hilarious, classy. Oh man,

844
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.880
that's such a good story, Ronnie. Thank you for sharing that.

845
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:14.519
That's amazing. And it just happened
two years ago. Wow, oh yeah,

846
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:18.000
early recently. I gotta feeling him
back there. My idea was to

847
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:24.559
keep pushing the envelope slowly after a
re established thing, We're okay and they're

848
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:29.039
there, and I thought, my
gosh, every step you take with someone

849
01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:32.280
like kids, it's just criking,
hair raised and scary stuff. But I

850
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.280
thought to made it that far.
I looked back and it seems surreal.

851
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:41.440
I just can't imagine me that brave
to go back up there, especially after

852
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.199
there's dangerous as they sounded those two
times. And I went back up there

853
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:48.880
by myself, and I just can't. I find that hard to believe because

854
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.000
I just state that brave, but
I did it. It's weird, but

855
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:57.880
I's like there's another me or something
so I figured, gosh, things are

856
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.480
going along good, even though I'm
still nervous about going up there. Kind

857
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.159
I figured it. I'm just guessing
maybe a year within a year, because

858
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:10.320
I thought from there I got to
trust. I think that one apple has

859
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:14.239
left for me, and they're pretty, and these things are not trusting.

860
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.599
It takes a lot, these advanced
circumstances. I hadn't happen the way they

861
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:21.320
did. I don't think it would. I don't think would ever dot.

862
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:26.320
I thought, God, if I
do that for a year straight and even

863
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:30.400
get him more trust, trusting and
should of course, I'd probably have to

864
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.519
stay up there at night. I
hadn't got my nerve up yet to do

865
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:38.159
it at nine this date, daytime
stuff. Even with him being nice,

866
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:42.039
I feel scared to go up there
and stay the night. But I figured

867
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:45.559
up to do this for a year, I might get to meet him,

868
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.119
see him, and I probably have
to do it in the night where they'd

869
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:51.480
feel safer, where they get closer
to you. But that was my goal.

870
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:55.760
And then all the stuff that happened
one of the fires and everything and

871
01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:00.960
just messed everything. I can continue
it, That's what I think. I'll

872
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.880
try to do that, But no, I'm nervous against I'd like starting over.

873
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:08.639
I almost. I don't know if
dynamics have changed, if they've changed,

874
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:13.519
or maybe they're moody, maybe somebody
joined the group that doesn't like people.

875
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.119
There's all kinds of a lot of
things go through your hand, and

876
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:19.519
I want to find out. As
soon as I give they're still muddy and

877
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:23.639
still up there now. But as
soon as I can, I'm going to

878
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:28.559
get back in there and tinker around
with it some more. So great stuff.

879
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:30.719
But I but I, oh,
I gotta, I gotta tell you

880
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:38.320
this one before. I have a
quick question Ronnie to throw in. Would

881
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:45.400
you take people into that area again? Oh? No, not unless I

882
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:50.360
really knew them. I did get
some guys together before, and I was

883
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:54.719
going to put a group together,
and I and banctfully, I took a

884
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.599
lot of time to do it.
Hand picked the people and stop all the

885
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.480
people here think you're I'm wrong with
me. That's it goes with the territory,

886
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.840
with any place on this stuff.
I'm used to that. That doesn't

887
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:10.280
bother me. But but there's a
few people and most of the people people

888
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:13.119
that have this stuff. There was
people that coming on the side because I

889
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:16.679
got the reputation around here as being
the big foot guy, which most people

890
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.800
ninety five percent of them thinks they
joke. But there's the people come to

891
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:27.000
you on the side that have done
something to happen that don't want they had

892
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:30.800
to leave her, and they don't
want to go through anything negative. There's

893
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.760
severally, in fact, one guys
that game hunter up here. That's how

894
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.239
he makes his living, and he
doesn't want to know either. But he's

895
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:41.000
a great guy. He sees tracks
quite a bit and stuff that you don't

896
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:42.960
want to know it. And so
I've got a few. But anyway,

897
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:45.719
I put that team together. I
had about a half a dozen guys and

898
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:50.800
I got a man, a guy
that he's took a real military guy.

899
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:58.599
He wrote the medals and body volunteered
for a sergeant Marine surgeon dot God.

900
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:02.119
I need somebody to have to see
purfect, and I got him to do

901
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:05.079
it. We all an agreement,
and our friend and he was like me,

902
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:09.079
a no kill thing. We don't
want to shoot at these things or

903
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:13.440
anything. So we'd all agreement that. But one other everybody agreeing on it,

904
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.720
had two professional hunters and stuff,
and they knew something about this stuff,

905
01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.279
and it was all great. We
had a great team. And I

906
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:24.760
was up there was one of them
after a month or two into this stuff,

907
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:27.720
and he just looked it was just
being him up there and or the

908
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:31.239
hunters, and he is he said, he said, I'm gonna kill one.

909
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:35.000
I just looked at him and said
what. I didn't even say anything.

910
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:38.640
He looked at me and he was
just staring at me. He said,

911
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.159
I'm going to kill him. He
said, it's the only way you're

912
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:45.680
going to prove this on the son
of a bitch. No. No,

913
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:50.439
I think these things knew had an
idea about him, because he had done

914
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:56.119
quite a bit of looking around doing
up and I think they did no evidence

915
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.960
at all. He never seen anything. And he told me that. I'm

916
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.439
think that's good as they were there, but I think they got to beat

917
01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:08.840
on it. These things they're freaking
super smart. It's just unbelievable. They're

918
01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:12.399
so smart. I can't figure these
things out. It's not an oxymron.

919
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:17.000
They they're like primitive and Barbara Tis. The're just they're brutals. They're strong,

920
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:23.159
they're wild. Run down a freaking
deer and elk and kill it and

921
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:26.600
eat it raw and all that stuff, and then be so super intelligent.

922
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:30.119
That's smart. Everything you do,
they're already ahead to be before you think

923
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.720
it's something. I just it's at
one hill of a phenomena. I don't

924
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:38.039
know what to think about it.
The deep you get into it, that

925
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:42.800
proverbial rabbit hole or whatever it is, you just just get steep and you

926
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:47.279
just don't just seem trying to try
to explain it. And we don't even

927
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:51.119
know what they all they are.
Obviously they're there, what they all are

928
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:55.600
they, I'm just I don't know, but it's just great stuff, and

929
01:09:56.279 --> 01:10:00.520
what a phenomena. No, I'm
nervous, I'd really have to know somebody.

930
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.399
I'll never do that again. And
in fact that we had the teams

931
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:08.800
at scouting looking, nothing ever happened, didn't see anything. Since I've been

932
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:12.920
by myself, I've done. I
are around, I hear him, and

933
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:17.079
I've seen tracks. I cast one
of them, and I do better by

934
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:21.920
myself. And I the three times
I brought people up there, that three

935
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:28.399
times something happened, and I'm convinced
that they didn't want me bringing anybody there.

936
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:35.520
They elevated the intimidation factor a little
bit every time I brought somebody that

937
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:40.720
was all intimidation stuff, and they
didn't want to come back accept the ability,

938
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:44.000
but he had to go back to
New York, so he didn't come

939
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:46.600
back me. They didn't. They're
worried about me not coming back. They

940
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:49.680
know I'm crazy after what I went
through with him. I gotta tell you

941
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.039
this one, just one. I
don't know how to ex tign me that

942
01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:56.920
or whatever. Ronnie, I have
the time, don't. It's it all

943
01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.800
comes down to how much time you
have. I have the time though,

944
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.560
we're getting this is me. I've
got a lot of things that talked about

945
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:09.560
it go on forever, but this
is the most important factor now because it's

946
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:14.920
so recent and stuff and there's still
possibilities. I was told and by one

947
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:16.239
of the hundred guys we out,
in fact, was the guy that wanted

948
01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:20.560
to kill one, and I dissed
myself from him and hoping he'd go away,

949
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:25.560
and I guess you did about it. He's the one that told me

950
01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:30.920
that I've heard it before that during
hunting season, these things leave an area

951
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:34.560
during an area and that makes sense, guns going off, people coming in,

952
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:39.960
they leave an area. I thought, now, this is they're there

953
01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.359
every time I go up there,
whooping and stuff, and I thought,

954
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:47.600
God, that's a good time to
maybe just that. So hunting season was

955
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:51.880
coming around. First it was deer, and then it was help season,

956
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:57.359
and I believe anyway, I went
up there and was expect of the food

957
01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:02.800
ups and I am sitting there and
I'm playing the singing and they're whipping in

958
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:08.000
the background, or I can almost
picture them fucking dancing back there or something.

959
01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.920
That's because you could tell their movie
because they're whooping and stuff, and

960
01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:15.800
I all of a sudden, they're
quiet. Then they just kept their quiet,

961
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:24.199
and they're coming two hundreds and four
wheelers. One of them they both

962
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:28.039
had rifles, and then one of
the camouflage them, and then they pulled

963
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:30.279
up one behind the other. I'm
sitting in the chair with a beer,

964
01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:35.600
playing to get darker, and he
says, boy, you sure know how

965
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:40.319
to do it. Yeah. I
just get here and wait for him to

966
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:44.279
come to me. And he said, we haven't any luck when they're talking

967
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:48.359
about honey, And they talked for
about twenty minutes and they said take it

968
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:50.520
easy, and said, yeah,
I wonder they left. They got on

969
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:56.680
down the ways a little bit and
they started whipping again and going about forty

970
01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:00.119
minutes later, I'm still sitting there
drinking a beer and playing and say and

971
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:02.800
they're a whipping all that they're having
a good time, and another how to

972
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:06.359
come along in a four oder.
They stopped till he left the same thing,

973
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:11.039
And I know so much for that
theory. I mean, these things

974
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:18.199
are so confident that that hutters people
don't bother them. They just remain hitting

975
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:24.159
so well, you're just not going
to know they're there, right, They're

976
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:29.119
not bothered by people. They're not
bothered at all. They they don't have

977
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:32.760
to let you know over there.
That's how good they are. It's just

978
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:38.039
amazing. So, yeah, they
were there during hunting season, only hundreds

979
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:44.199
didn't bother It's a great stuff.
Have you heard any You mentioned you'd heard

980
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:49.680
other reports from the same area as
well. Yeah, my summer law was

981
01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:55.159
a cop here. He finally got
away from after two years, but he

982
01:13:55.319 --> 01:14:00.680
was a cop here at the time
and he got the call. I'm and

983
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:04.159
he said, he comes in the
house and it's just hey, just got

984
01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:09.680
a big foot report and whatever he's
trying to tell me. I said,

985
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:12.119
give me the details of the informa, So let me talk to the guy

986
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:15.039
tomorrow. Take him off. He
had a fresh report and in which you

987
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:19.560
don't hear re often, and I
he wanted to get it. I did

988
01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:23.600
it for him. It's I said, it's gotta be a pricking whild goose

989
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:25.760
chase. I said, I've been
on this before. I know better.

990
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:30.520
I'll know where it's out in the
direction of all this stuff. And he

991
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:34.560
actually followed his cop car out,
told about twenty miles or something in the

992
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:38.199
road, and then he stopped.
So it's right back in there. You'll

993
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:42.800
see a victory and stuff or pitch
black because I've got the head lights.

994
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:47.359
But anyway, I was supposed to
see him this thing close up, and

995
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:54.079
he was cutting logs or something.
And I go back in and I knew

996
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:58.159
better. It was stupid. Ready
to go back in and trees all over

997
01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:00.000
the place. I can't find nothing, in the way to find nothing.

998
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:06.279
He's a better cut than he was, a big fitter. So I drove

999
01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:10.640
around for a while. You don't
know where the hell to stopper exactly this

1000
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:15.039
happened. Then went back home.
I went out the next day and I

1001
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:20.079
think I think he went out and
showed me, yeah, right where it

1002
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:25.000
happened and stuff, and there was
some damn catation trash. I couldn't make

1003
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:29.239
it any good trash, right.
But anyway, this guy was after some

1004
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:31.399
kind of a storm. A lot
of trees are down, so people were

1005
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:36.119
out cutting firewood and different areas back
in the woods surrounded. The woods go

1006
01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:42.319
forever around here. But this guy
the call and he was so scaredy cough

1007
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:47.319
cuss. He had a pickup and
in a chainsaw, and he was cutting

1008
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:53.279
this wood up and it was getting
dust. And he looks up and right

1009
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:58.720
up on this ridge above him a
little bit of an elevation only about fifteen

1010
01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:04.039
twenty, says standing, they're looking
at him. And he said he didn't

1011
01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:10.439
pay attention to right away. He
said he looked back and just kept on

1012
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:15.319
cutting. He said he thought he
there's a man standing there. That's what

1013
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:18.640
he thought. He wouldn't get into
excited. People do this a lot of

1014
01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:24.239
these things for some reason. They've
I've seen a man when they actually I

1015
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:28.479
think no, they know that they
didn't see it all. And anyway,

1016
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:32.039
he said, he looked again,
and he said, yeah, he know,

1017
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:36.079
and I said he stood up.
He said, just staring this thing.

1018
01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:43.039
You're staring at him. And he
said that he caught his head to

1019
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:47.560
look a little bit more because the
trees are right behind this thing, and

1020
01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:51.640
the thing caughted his head at the
same time, just like he did.

1021
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:56.640
Like it was either mimic game or
whatever. But the cost, he said,

1022
01:16:56.720 --> 01:17:00.159
just like he did. And that
was enough. He was and that

1023
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.880
pickup me was gone. Left his
tools and saw everything, and on the

1024
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:10.159
way into town he called the cops. He wanted to tell it, but

1025
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:15.159
he did not want anybody in town
noyon. And he came by with a

1026
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:20.680
couple of kids, great two good
little girls, but he great little family.

1027
01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:24.520
They came by and stayed for a
couple of hours and went to it

1028
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:29.119
and talked to him about it.
We never said anything about it to anybody.

1029
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:34.680
So you hit reports there was a
guy here about three months ago whatever

1030
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:41.399
during the summer went that God has
been more longer or not? Did the

1031
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:44.800
gas station. I have no doubt
that guys telling the truth. He had

1032
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.640
to really make this up the run, stop telling us a big for stories

1033
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:54.399
were at the gas station. I
pulled him looking at the mountain out there,

1034
01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:58.079
and there's a matter up there.
I know they come through there because

1035
01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:02.520
I've been here long enough to people
and people. I know they're not lying

1036
01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:08.680
and they come true here around the
ridges of stuff, but people don't even

1037
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:12.199
know. That's amazing. But this
guy was like, he says, I've

1038
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:15.720
seen a big suit up there and
I just got out to get gas.

1039
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:18.239
And he said where he's that metal
right there? And he said that they

1040
01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:23.880
said there was help. He says
it it ran out from there, was

1041
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:26.199
into the Mental and he said was
scared. You could tell. And he

1042
01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:31.000
stopped and it was looking around and
then it started bolded to getting and it

1043
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:34.079
was going to the woods. On
the other side of when he started out

1044
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:38.680
of the tree line came this man. But it wasn't a man. He

1045
01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:42.760
says. It was dark cover.
It wouldn't clows. He said it was

1046
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.880
dark and looked like los He said, just pauling ass after at the cross

1047
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:50.399
at Mental. So you get him
here and I talked to the biologists.

1048
01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:54.840
Heare years ago, he said,
the only thing he's seen in thirty years.

1049
01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:57.840
And then when he said what tracks, he said he cast Lester has

1050
01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:03.119
one. He said they had four
toes. I don't understand that was there.

1051
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:09.399
I don't know Ryan real quick that
I was just going to ask you

1052
01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:15.680
that actually I've talked to gentlemen where
h and also in Alaska too, there

1053
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:21.079
are reports that there are four toad
sasquatch that are extremely aggressive, especially in

1054
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:26.680
the Monthood area, so that could
be what they were. Yeah, so

1055
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.840
he saw four toad track in that
area all the biologist he wasn't lying to

1056
01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:36.600
me give In fact, he told
me, I said, did you ever

1057
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:40.279
show any about it or whatever?
He said, I took the die up

1058
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:44.680
in a didfoot researcher. He's up
in mounther Hood and I said, park

1059
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.720
By. He says, yeah,
that says the name. Peter Burnie says,

1060
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.239
yes, it was. That was
it. He said he took that

1061
01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:56.239
track to Peter Burne. You know
Peter Burnie? Oh, absolutely, yeah,

1062
01:19:56.239 --> 01:20:00.319
I definitely know who Peter Burne.
So he was that four we're tow

1063
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:05.520
track around the Oak Ridge area then
or no, you know something I don't

1064
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:11.800
remember it's been years or yeah,
I do him about it, and it

1065
01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:15.119
was in the state here, but
he had worked here in Washington too,

1066
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:19.880
but he was thirty years and the
the FoST biologist. But I don't remember.

1067
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:23.640
He was an orgument. I don't
remember exactly where, but he said

1068
01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:26.119
he had to. He said he
wished when he took it. He said,

1069
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:29.479
he left it at the department.
But he said that he thought he

1070
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:33.520
said, Peter Burne told him he
thought it was real. It was good

1071
01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:38.359
size too. I think it was
like seventeen inches, I think, he

1072
01:20:38.479 --> 01:20:42.000
said. But he says the depth
of it, he says, and the

1073
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:45.239
woods, and he says, somebody
to fake it. He says, of

1074
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:47.640
the impact, he said, the
depth of it, and the stride,

1075
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:53.359
and he said, the poor toos. He said, why was something going

1076
01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:56.720
to take the truck? Why would
why would somebody make port toes? So

1077
01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:00.319
he cast it And yeah, but
they're stuff around here. I'll go on

1078
01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:03.479
and on with a few reports.
They're not every day, of course,

1079
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:08.199
but yeah, they're around here.
Some people aware of it. Most of

1080
01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:13.520
them are not ones that are really
don't hi, oh sorry, go ahead.

1081
01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:16.199
The ones are really big ridiculous.
Are the ones that the hunters that

1082
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:20.000
don't ever see any evidence. They
probably overlook a lot of it, don't

1083
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:26.199
even know it but them. But
it's interesting the other clip of the coin

1084
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:29.199
there too. Most of the reports
that come in from what I are from

1085
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:32.760
hunters, but the hundreds that makes
the reports are in the minority because not

1086
01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:40.199
everybody goes out and see something like
this so interesting. Your files must be

1087
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:45.439
just amazing, the things that you've
the reports you've taken over the years,

1088
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:53.920
it must be an incredible collection.
Oh gosh, I from all over from

1089
01:21:54.000 --> 01:22:00.840
here to Florida. The Falcon monsters
stuff. I multiple drifts down there,

1090
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:04.560
actually moved there, stayed there for
two months on one of them. That's

1091
01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:10.239
the only way gettingbody to tuck got
a small town like that, and ain't

1092
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:15.079
nobody going to talk to some crazy
California coming out looking for monsters. I

1093
01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:17.960
had to move out there, and
after a couple of weeks that sure changed

1094
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:26.600
around and people knocking at my door
and everybody had their about monster explanation that

1095
01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:30.199
had lived there all their life.
I don't think any more, right,

1096
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:33.560
But it was fun. And they
didn't want to meet in town either.

1097
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:38.560
They didn't want to be seen with
no monster hunter that make an agreement meet

1098
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:42.760
them at texture can or at their
farm or something. Yeah. I kind

1099
01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:47.359
of like I guess the stories there, they're interesting, great stuff. That'd

1100
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:50.560
be another hour or two. Did
you ever get any reports from Iowa?

1101
01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:56.760
I'm personally from Iowa. I'm just
curious. No, I when I get

1102
01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:02.159
reports. I don't. I like
my own, my personal my own reports,

1103
01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:05.720
and I can rely on them for
sure. But I think a lot

1104
01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:09.800
of people are telling the truth.
But that's them. I like my own

1105
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:14.439
stuff, but I no, never
And I spent some time in Montana,

1106
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:23.760
Idaho, and Oregon, Washington and
and Arkansas and Louisiana and Florida. But

1107
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:32.279
so Louisiana's fascinating honey on a swamp
monster just another not another level going up,

1108
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:39.800
And no self respecting bigfoot hunter is
going to admit or say anything incredible

1109
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:44.680
about that. I've talked to him, They've done their investigations. They all

1110
01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:48.479
think it's a hoax, and I
don't think so. Oh really, I've

1111
01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:54.680
done it. No, I don't
think it's hoax all. No, I've

1112
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:59.760
got a lot of stuff on it. Nobody can prove anything. But that's

1113
01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:02.399
an if that'd be another hour or
two talking about that. Have a feeling

1114
01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:08.439
we've really thought. We might be
talking, hopefully more than once. That's

1115
01:24:08.479 --> 01:24:11.239
up to you, of course,
But oh, I don't mind it at

1116
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:14.880
all. I'm going to start talking. I haven't talked for most on life.

1117
01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:17.279
I only did a few radio shows, and fact two of them that

1118
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.680
I did was because you know who
m K. Davis is, Yes,

1119
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:26.439
I do. I've talked to MKA
before. Yeah, Yeah, he's a

1120
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:30.359
good guy. Yeah, for a
long time. And it's an excellent researcher

1121
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:35.920
and what he does for that those
analyzing those films and stuff is just great.

1122
01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:40.199
But I don't agree with him on
everything either. But we've always got

1123
01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:44.920
along, and like fifteen years at
least or whatever, we never agreed on

1124
01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:47.920
this honey on a swamp monster.
There's something there. I don't see any

1125
01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:56.520
evidence through whatever. When he come
out without fifteen minute video what about eight

1126
01:24:56.640 --> 01:25:00.399
years ago, and one of it
was and claiming that it was Hope this

1127
01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:03.560
county on the swat and it's because
he had found that foot back and there

1128
01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:10.119
if somebody had that with a contraption
on it to take prints, that was

1129
01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:15.560
good. Case closed, got the
investigation left and then that boy that was

1130
01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:19.399
awful quick. That was quick.
So somebody picked some tracks and he and

1131
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:25.600
I know the family because of many
years ago. I went back and the

1132
01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:30.319
mother of Dana Halla killed. They're
great people and there's no way to line.

1133
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:33.560
I spent some time down there at
camped out the hun on Pearl River

1134
01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:39.479
and got into interviewed people and the
biologies down there and just went through that

1135
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:43.920
stuff. And the people are not
making anything, And that's my opinion.

1136
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:46.680
But I and on the Harlan forward
and signing the way it was, the

1137
01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:53.199
history of it there and those tracks, and I checked into his background pretty

1138
01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:57.880
good, honest fellow him at Billy
Mills that he had with him that day

1139
01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:00.560
when he's seen that, and he
didn't get the track to the day that

1140
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:03.640
he had. They had were hunting
and said they've seen this thing. It

1141
01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:09.119
wasn't till twelve or thirteen years later, sixty three you've seen and I think

1142
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:13.479
it was seventy two that he got
tracks. Why did he wait freaking twelve

1143
01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:15.319
years or whatever they it was that
before he could come up with tracks.

1144
01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:20.000
Yeah, I got to run those
across those again and I know they're just

1145
01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:25.760
so anyway, when that happened,
I called him. I felt for the

1146
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.680
family because they had already been through
a lot. He told her, liars

1147
01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:31.399
and hookers and all that stuff.
They went through a lot of roost s

1148
01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:35.479
up there for a while on a
couple occasions, and Dana and have always

1149
01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:39.520
been friends with her ever since.
I've ment or down there and the people.

1150
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:44.439
But which is an interesting story.
Get into some details maybe sometime,

1151
01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:48.920
but about I will m K I. I called him and I answer as

1152
01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:55.000
M. Cass and that's what he
found and this not as contrashman, and

1153
01:26:55.840 --> 01:27:00.720
so I asked him if he would
go on the radio and debated, and

1154
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:03.319
he said, yeah, I don't
know they're going to change anything. I

1155
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:08.079
just wanted to help the family on
his felt I don't know, but anyways

1156
01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:11.520
to get it and it went for
an hour. It was on a Scott

1157
01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:15.000
Marlow's radio show, The Bioloshy there
in Florida. And he didn't believe any

1158
01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:19.399
ms stuff either. Three toad stuff. They think it's nonsense about which I

1159
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:25.159
can understand but in a way,
but of course that I anyway, So

1160
01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:28.439
we only have poor now and they
said it was best radio show they ever

1161
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:30.479
had. They wanted to schedule another
one, but we did. We did

1162
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:36.119
two shows radio shows and MK is
still I still don't see any of it,

1163
01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:42.800
and so whatever. Well, a
few years after that he let me

1164
01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:49.239
know he was down there unannounced,
and he because he had to take I

1165
01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:53.319
think it was taking his mom in
the hospital in Orleans or something. So

1166
01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:57.000
he had some time so he went
down the left the room. He ran

1167
01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:02.439
across some tracks and they were like
the Harland Forward tracks that he had said

1168
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:08.680
earlier the years before that they was
all fake. Now he's looking at him

1169
01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:13.159
and there's a series of them.
And there it was heavy and it had

1170
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:17.920
to be fresh because Salmon before there
was a rain and there was a light

1171
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:23.479
rain and there's rain sprinkle all around
except the inside these tracks. There were

1172
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.159
in the clay. There was no
rain in there. There were dry in

1173
01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:30.439
areas where it was walking, and
he pursued it or whatever, and I

1174
01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:34.199
think that's when he there was a
sapling or whatever that was broke off and

1175
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:41.119
it was dry and placed in the
pathway. This is forbidden terror. Don't

1176
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:45.159
forbidden area, don't pursue it.
That's when he turned around and went out.

1177
01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:49.920
So I got that, I got, I got him telling me about

1178
01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:53.920
it. I saw a written out
and he sent me a picture of the

1179
01:28:54.039 --> 01:29:01.880
tractor. Wow, that is incredible. Be too quick to judge the Honey

1180
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:06.640
On swat moster exactly. Yeah.
My my good friend Alex Petacoff just did

1181
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:12.800
a documentary about the Honey Island swamp
monsters that's on YouTube. Was checking out

1182
01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:15.640
I'll send you a link. He's
a good guy. He's a great bigfoot

1183
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:20.000
researcher. Him and Ta Horonymous and
Jonathan easily the newer guys coming up.

1184
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:25.479
They're no kills. They're good dudes. They respect the environment, respect the

1185
01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:29.079
creature. They go all over so
good dudes. Yeah, yeah, why

1186
01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:34.479
wouldn't want to shoot something like this? Yeah, nobody had maybe been around

1187
01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:39.439
for millions of years or something.
Maybe they're a lot less in population,

1188
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:43.640
and I why, I don't even
know what they are? One there,

1189
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:45.800
you want to shoot one? People
are think about money and same a lot.

1190
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:49.920
I guess. No, I don't
want that going on. I'm really

1191
01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:55.239
skitties about that, especially after brought
a guy in that thought it was okay,

1192
01:29:56.600 --> 01:30:01.119
Yeah, I can understand Ronnie and
so out. Sorry question for you.

1193
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:06.479
Have you ever brought an audio recorder
into that area? Oh? It

1194
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:12.199
was dumb. I still kicked myself
and ask for that. I'd been right

1195
01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:16.079
up there with ron Moriet. You'd
be passing some degree. I would think

1196
01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:19.680
it sounded like you'd be. Yeah, you'd be right up there. Man,

1197
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:24.920
it's intense. These things weren't talk. He's got it looks like he's

1198
01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:28.479
got a language going on. I
didn't have that these things were just fished,

1199
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:31.439
but I but they were loud and
they were clear. Man, I

1200
01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:36.199
was so loud. It's just and
I know better, I know to do

1201
01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:40.720
it, and I have some kind
of recorder on you. But I didn't

1202
01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:45.319
care. This might sound unbelievable or
stupid, but it is stupid, but

1203
01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:48.960
I didn't care. I'm never been
out to prove these distance of these things.

1204
01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:54.439
Never figured I had much chance to
anyway doing that, but I never

1205
01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:57.920
was really out to prove it.
And when things were happening, I didn't

1206
01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:00.520
care. I didn't care about I
didn't I ever cared about the limelight or

1207
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:04.239
or any of that. And I
would have been a radio shows a long

1208
01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:08.039
time though. I don't care and
just don't how to prove anything, and

1209
01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:10.600
I didn't. And now, of
course I didn't know it was going to

1210
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:15.760
be that intense either, so if
I'd had any idea it was going to

1211
01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:20.239
but you're supposed to be ready,
and I've been through something like that before,

1212
01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:23.920
so I should know better. There
was no excuse not to be able

1213
01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:27.399
to document that, but I didn't. Not two times on top of it,

1214
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:31.600
the major and stuff, and so
I kicked myself in the button and

1215
01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:35.279
it wasn't just for me. I
realized later on that, my god,

1216
01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:41.399
this isn't just about me. This
is about the Wayne who's introduced me to

1217
01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:45.079
Nobody believed me. He wanted to
be able to prove this, so somebody

1218
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:47.000
believing me. I don't give a
shit eat that I should have been there

1219
01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:51.199
for him and then I and not
only that. I get thinking about these

1220
01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:56.720
researchers and stuff that they dedicate their
lines, and a lot of there some

1221
01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:00.760
dangerous situations out there. I can
tell you that some of that stuff,

1222
01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:02.960
but they really they put it there
all in here and they've been in for

1223
01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:06.760
some of them all their life and
they're getting something. And I got thinking

1224
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:11.439
about that, and God, I
let them down too. So I don't

1225
01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:15.039
feel it very good about myself.
I would say, I wouldn't yourself doubt

1226
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:18.600
you've done some amazing things. I
would say, Promise me, next time

1227
01:32:18.680 --> 01:32:23.920
you go out there, you'll have
an audio recorder and it'll be rolling the

1228
01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:27.479
second I'll get out of the car. That's what I That's what I would

1229
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:30.760
say. But yeah, yeah,
I need to do that. I just

1230
01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:33.720
got to if I can get it
back to the way it was the way

1231
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:38.760
when I left. It might not
get a line, get some whoop seams

1232
01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:44.039
and whoops whoop or way they do
it, get some of that stuff,

1233
01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:46.319
but it won't be on the scale
of what they held they were when they

1234
01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:51.319
acting like they want to kill you. Holy shit, I've ean't thought about

1235
01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:56.520
that. My god, I missid. I feel so bad. I've entertained,

1236
01:32:56.640 --> 01:32:59.720
but not very long. I've entertained
the idea of going back to make

1237
01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:02.760
that sound to get a pissing them
off again, and I no, I

1238
01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:08.479
just can't do that. Best left
they started trusting me, and not only

1239
01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:11.199
that a third time might be a
sense they might get to thank you.

1240
01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:14.119
Yeah, this gully ain't get the
message. We're gonna have to get serious.

1241
01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.079
That's all I'd need. Good.
No, I ain't gonna do that

1242
01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:21.199
again. Yeah, let's do one
last question before we wrap it up,

1243
01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:27.479
because we are going on two hours, surprisingly because this conversation has been amazing.

1244
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:32.920
Ronnie, pardon my question. Is
you mentioned earlier in the interview that

1245
01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:40.600
you were using baby human baby cries
for call blasting? Yeah? What is

1246
01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:45.199
it that made you decide to use
that particular sound? Oh? I didn't

1247
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:51.680
that was Richard Ringwell's idea and it
was working. I've talked to a lot

1248
01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:55.960
of other researchers, some too,
and someone would stay under the radar.

1249
01:33:56.119 --> 01:33:59.199
I'm not going to mention but a
and they've told me, and I believe

1250
01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:01.920
that I know guys are freaking excellent
at this stuff, and they said it

1251
01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:05.560
doesn't work. It's tall. They
haven't had any luck in different areas,

1252
01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:11.119
different places, and I believe that
they're not making stuff up to me.

1253
01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:15.039
I've known them too long, and
I but I think there was something special

1254
01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:19.439
about this area. It's forty miles
back in you don't see anybody back in

1255
01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:25.800
there. It's rugged back in there
where we went, and he had been

1256
01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:29.800
doing this regular role every couple of
years. He was doing it every year,

1257
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:32.279
where every two years, but doing
it. And I don't think these

1258
01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:39.560
things back in that area were I
just didn't know that much about people or

1259
01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:44.560
stuff, or wasn't that familiar.
For some reason, that area it worked

1260
01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:49.039
where it doesn't work in other areas. And this stuff it figures because this

1261
01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:54.319
type of research, with these things, it's just so unpredictable. It's like

1262
01:34:54.479 --> 01:35:00.359
nothing makes any sense changes, which
means it sounds less credible because crea it

1263
01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:03.680
goes. But I know they had
for some reason they worked there and I

1264
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:12.279
didn't go on intellect to two thousand
and five was Richard's last expedition there.

1265
01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:17.560
That's when he was had melanoma and
cancer and he wasn't doing good. They

1266
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:21.439
were back in there and they Now, when I want to tell you one

1267
01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:28.079
thing that about the confirms that it
was the tall blasting. They were back

1268
01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:33.199
in there and they had to Who
wasn't I think Angelo? Yeah, Angelo

1269
01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:36.479
again, the biologist. He was
there. This is the trip back in

1270
01:35:36.520 --> 01:35:42.680
there after I was with him,
and they that he was there, and

1271
01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:48.920
Richard's son, Darwin and one of
his friends should have been me, but

1272
01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:55.399
I didn't want to go. I
got another whole long story. I didn't

1273
01:35:55.439 --> 01:36:00.800
get along with Darwin very well.
But I missed out the best time too,

1274
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:03.760
but that while they were back in
there, they had all the quid

1275
01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:08.720
and they're called blasting stuff that they
had was set up special by Darwin.

1276
01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:13.640
He had He was good at doing
that kind of stuff. For what we

1277
01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:16.560
had worked excellent. You'd take it, we'd tike it and carry a big

1278
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.319
unit. We'd take it up by
the on the hillside. Or the mountain,

1279
01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:25.560
and man had blast from even here
for echoing for miles. It was

1280
01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:30.720
harnsy just a year that with those
vocalizations that they and but anyway, on

1281
01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:34.680
this trip they got everything set up, they got the stuff. They had

1282
01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:39.880
five hundred pounds of stuff back back
in there too. Again we had to

1283
01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:43.279
use tourist as almost lost on them. But anyway, another story. But

1284
01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:47.359
they got it back in there and
there was a component that wasn't there.

1285
01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:53.319
They needed to get the tall blasting
arm and there's nobody Again they were on

1286
01:36:53.479 --> 01:37:00.279
foot. It's forty miles back.
So Darwin was in good shape and his

1287
01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:08.560
buddy they hiked forty miles to get
a part in Orleans to get that thing

1288
01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:14.640
gone. They were gone for a
shan about a week. That's intense.

1289
01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:17.199
Yeah, it was a while.
It might have been five days or something,

1290
01:37:17.399 --> 01:37:19.159
but it was part of all.
I didn't have to check on it.

1291
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:23.800
But it was a long time.
That's eighty miles go to town and

1292
01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:28.119
come back. Some real interesting stuff
happened on the way. I'm not going

1293
01:37:28.159 --> 01:37:30.439
to get into that. We could
talk about this. In fact, we

1294
01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:35.000
should do that Tivy tribute to pretty
well and talk about him but anyway,

1295
01:37:35.079 --> 01:37:42.039
he they didn't have any call ble
I said, nothing happened, nothing happened

1296
01:37:42.039 --> 01:37:45.279
at all. But as soon as
they got back and they put that in

1297
01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:48.640
there call blessing, they had activity
that night. For two weeks straight.

1298
01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:55.680
Every night they got one of them
onternal energy and one of them turn and

1299
01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:59.119
reached uff and the bushes and took
the new in his tent, pushed the

1300
01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:03.600
tent down and helped him in the
tent. That was the last thing.

1301
01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:11.640
But Richard was dying and they he
wanted to stay, and they were saying

1302
01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:15.039
good. Started was saying, Dad, you gotta go. This isn't good.

1303
01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:20.399
You're sick. But he had never
had activity like this anywhere, not

1304
01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:25.279
even there, and I didn't want
to go. He was dying. And

1305
01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:29.359
Angelo, the biologists, he's a
great fellow, just talked to him yesterday

1306
01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:33.239
actually, But he and it was
always loyal to the society and Richard.

1307
01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:38.079
And he broke his ankle trying to
get him out of the canyon. Richard

1308
01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:41.399
to help get him out and get
him on a horse. But because the

1309
01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:44.840
virtues come in, I guess as
to what, no I one knows they

1310
01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:46.720
had deals that time or loves anyway, to have to check him that too.

1311
01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:50.680
In fact, I think they got
him on. God, it's been

1312
01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:55.159
a while. I wrote a nice
tribute to him. I'll have to send

1313
01:38:55.239 --> 01:39:00.680
it to you sometime. Explains all
that. Yeah, yeah, it's plas

1314
01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:04.920
but DiAngelo the biology he broke his
ankle, Betty, And it was at

1315
01:39:05.039 --> 01:39:10.439
night getting out of there and rugged
down in the canyon stuffed to go through

1316
01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:13.680
the mountains to get back to the
access road. Then it was free.

1317
01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:15.880
But yeah, I was in love
time getting out there, and Richard did

1318
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:19.680
not want to go and they were
having too much activity. But they went

1319
01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:23.520
to Berkeley from there at the hospital. From there they seeny honey, he

1320
01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:30.319
died at home. Yeah, yeah, I can tell you all about that

1321
01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:34.239
up in there. There's there was
some fun times there. It's just things

1322
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:42.039
that happened actually, and yeah,
great stuff. But it worked back in

1323
01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:46.479
there then that's amazing. Yeah,
we've got stuff to definitely have you back

1324
01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:51.000
on the future to chat about.
No problem. But Ronnie, thank you

1325
01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:56.000
so much for spending a few hours
of your night chatting with me. It's

1326
01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:59.159
been so much fun. Oh,
no problem. Yeah, I had a

1327
01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:02.760
good time. Start real quick.
I'm gonna go ahead and close this out

1328
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:08.039
and then I have a few quick
things for you off the air to ask

1329
01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:11.920
you. But thanks again all for
listening, and thank you Ronnie. Yeah

1330
01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:17.319
you're a Bigfoot Society article is to
provide a platform for those that have encountered

1331
01:40:17.439 --> 01:40:23.920
Bigfoot to share their encounter in a
safe and respected environment. But we need

1332
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:28.520
to hear your story. If you've
experienced something that you just can't explain,

1333
01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:34.399
please send me an email at Bigfoot
Society at gmail dot com. Then we

1334
01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:39.760
can start the conversation. And I
know a lot of you have not shared

1335
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:45.600
your encounter at all. It's been
twenty years and it's time that you get

1336
01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:48.399
this off your chest and then you
can get some well deserved for rest,

1337
01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:53.800
because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through,

1338
01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:56.199
and I appreciate every one of you
listening