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0:46 How's it going, Mike, Hey, thank you so much for having me. This is awesome. Yeah. In the Shadow of Bigger and I we're a YouTube show. We go around the country and we look for bigfoot. It's pretty awesome. Absolutely. Man, it's been a while since I talked to you. I had interviewed Mike. You were like one of the first original interviews that I had, So, yeah, the og starting to ogs, but Zoom destroyed it. Oh it's lost forever. You were one of the first ten people I talked to, and it was a wild one and at the end Zoom was like, Nope, it's not going to happen. You have to wait a few more years. Well, finally got around to chatting with you. But man, you have really been up to some wild stuff. You are going all over the place and I'm just excited to talk to you.

1:35 What's the elevator pitch that you give people for in the shadow of a Big Red Eye? Besides being a rock and YouTube channel all about bigfoot research. It's like the true, uncut, re non edited version of some of the shows that are on TV right now, except it's what big footing is really about. Some of the shows on TV, and people that spend any time an amount of time in the woods looking for bigfoot realize that the shows on TV don't accurately depict the way bigfooting is actually is done. So I was like, I am going to make a show that's not based off of ratings. I don't care if anybody doesn't like the show. It's just a hobby for me, and I started doing that in twenty sixteen making a show and now yeah, two point seven thousand subscribers. It's crazy.

2:23 There's something for everyone on the channel. You go everywhere from New Jersey of course, down to Florida. If you are going all over, at least definitely the eastern side of the US. I would say I have not been west of the Mississippi yet looking for Bigfoot, but I'm hoping to change that next year. For the Mike Femlant Library Tour Searching America Tour twenty four. I'm telling you, I'm west of the Mississippi, and I'm telling you Bigfoot is out here. So you got to get out here. You've got to hit up some Oklahoma. You gotta hit up oh Man, was stuff some Missouri. Oh Man. It's going to get wild for you. But let's rewind a little bit. Mike, what's your origin story with what got you involved with all the Bigfoot craziness to begin with?

3:14 Yees, it's a kind of funny story. I was living in Florida. I was working at a beach resort in Sarasota, Florida, which was like the best job that I've ever had before my entire life, and I was watching Finding Bigfoot on TV. It was on in the background. I didn't have any real a parent liking to the show or whatever. It was just on. And at the end they were like, hey, if you want to come out with us, you could pay this ridiculous amount of fee and sign your life away and you can come out on an expedition with these guys. And I'm like, there is no way I am not doing that. That sounds like it's incredible. So I signed up that night. I was engaged at the time, did not tell the fiance what we were doing. This is going to be like a little pre wedding, little surprise thing. Wow. And anyways, this is my first time ever camping. I was an inside child growing up. I was never outside TVs, video games, that was my thing.

4:12 So this was my first time ever camping. I had to acquire some camping gear, my tent, my sleeping bag, literally everything. So I'm getting the stuff prior to this expedition and I'm hiding it in the closet so my fiance didn't see this. Finally, she's cleaning one day, which she never cleaned, so I was shocked. That you found it. But she found it and she was like, Mike, what are we doing. I said, hon, we are going to go look for a big foot in North Florida. And then we broke up. There was that, but anyways, get up to North Florida. I invite a buddy, an EMT friend of mine. I'm an EMT or I used to be an EMT and I invited a friend of mine and we went up there on this BFRO expedition. Nothing happened, We talked to witnesses, we did the night hikes. We've actually found a Florida panther foot. Which is really cool is at the time there's only like twenty five and left in the wild. This is back in twenty eleven.

5:06 And yeah, so nothing happened except the last night And it was about three o'clock in the morning and me and my buddy Jimmy, we are sitting next to our campfire and we hear a tree dock. I didn't think anything of it. I said, oh, that could be anything. About two minutes later, a tree dock from the complete opposite direction. So I immediately think that it was the expedition organizers that are in the woods knocking on trees because we paid a lot of money, didn't have any big foot activity, so this has got to be what's going on. They're hoaxing us. Obviously, nothing happens. About ten minutes goes by and you hear come crashing down through the trees a fist sized rock. And it was at this point in my life where I said, nope, this is how horror movies start. I am out of here, right, my buddies, if you want to sleep in the car than And by the time he said that, I was just in the car. And finally he talked some sense into me. Mike, bigfoots knock on trees, they throw rocks. This could be a squatchy activity that we're having. So I was like, I suppose so, all right, So he talked me back out by the campfire. Over the course of the next fifteen minutes, four more of these fifth sized rocks come crashing, landing down five to ten feet from us. So that's horrifying as it is, right, So I'm petrified this is going to be a sleepless night. We already are aware of that.

6:35 And my buddy, he's I got an idea. I'm gonna throw a rock back at it, So it was a bad idea. Yeah, So he took one of the rocks and he chucked it back in that direction right, and we knew it wasn't a person because a fifteen pound laptop sized boulder came crashing down land at five feet from us. And then that was it. That was done. Nothing else happened that night. The next day we asked our neighbors because there was a lot of other people at the expedition. We were like, hey, did you guys hear or see anything. Nobody heard or saw anything. So then we did some measurements because we wanted to be all scientific and stuff because that's what saw them do on TV. We did a measurement of how close this thing could have been that was throwing the rocks Because of the terrain and the topography and stuff. The closest this thing could have been was seventy five yards away.

7:26 Unless Nolan Ryan's chucking rocks in the middle of the Florida Panhandle at four o'clock in the morning. I don't know how did you go to sleep after that? Oh? You got to think about it. What can throw rocks a person? Primates are bigfoot, those are the only three things right. If there was a population of primates living in North Florida, I think we would know about it. They're not going to be like Bigfoot stealthy. We would know that they were up there. We actually, in fact do know that there's plant primates living in Florida. But you could rule out a person because it was just so heavy. I couldn't chuck it ten feet rather than coming crashing down through the woods. That takes substantial power. That kind of gets it on your radar. Was it after that GameLine, you're going out, you're making this video or is there a little downtime before the YouTube series actually started kicking off.

8:16 Yeah, the YouTube series actually took five years to get into making. So after this expedition we are totally into it. Now. We are everything, Jimmy and I everything about Bigfoot we can get our hands on. We're we're talking to researchers, witnesses, finding hot spots, everything we can do because we think this is so cool. And about three weeks goes by, we go out and we call ourselves experts now because it's been three weeks and we know everything, So we're going to go We're gonna go out so low doing our own thing. One night expedition, I'm doing bigfoot calls like it's my job. I'm doing them every two seconds, right, because that's what I do on TV. So I'm just imitating what I see him do on TV. Right. So I'm doing these bigfoot calls, and Jimmy he's he's got his ten million lumen spotlight that he's got shined around. Right.

9:13 The light shines upon two pairs of eyes. One pair was a reflecting red color and the other was like a reflecting aqua blue color. And they were just looking back at us. And we thought, in our inefittent wisdom of everybody and everything in the woods, we thought that it was people. We didn't realize people don't have eyeshine. We can't see at night, right, since we were all so new with this. But anyways, we start yelling, hey, we're just out looking for bigfoot. Sorry, we'll go back to camp type of thing, and just the eyes are just staring back at us at these things. These suckers are about seven and a half feet off the ground.

9:54 So we're like, okay, this is we still think it's a person. We think they're actually illegally hunting out there. It's a big hunting area, so and it was poaching at night. But anyways, so the eyes are just staring back the one set, the red set turns, looks at the other set, turns and looks back at us and then blinks. Another nope moment out of there. But we did go back the next day and we found the eyes were at about seven and a half feet. We did a recreation like we saw him do on TV and everything like that. So those were just the two first times that I went out looking for Bigfoot, and we had some really incredible activity and that's what I think got me so into it, so hardcore if you will so quickly.

10:36 Oh, I can definitely see if that level had happened to me right off the bat, it would have the same effect some wood knocks tree pushed over on my first time out in Iowa with tape. When does Red Eye become involved? Okay, perfect, perfect segue twenty sixteen. I get a little homesick. I'm living in Florida, still I get a little homesick. Jersey shocking. I know that's crazy to get homesick over New Jersey, but it happens. People. Anyways, So I moved back home and I was like, man, my big footing career is over. There's no bigfoot New Jersey. Little did I know. Starting to do research, and I quickly established that a Facebook group called Susset's County Bigfoot and networked with a lot of really interesting people. I met a lot of really cool people, and shortly thereafter I decided I'm going to make a show and it's called in the Shadow Big Red Eye. And I called it that because in nineteen seventy two, a state park ranger up here in High Point State Park in northwestern New Jersey, he was on patrol during the night. He was on foot patrol walking one of the trails at night, and he came across two pairs of reflecting red eyes, very similar what happened to us in Florida. Right. He put that on his report, and somehow how the newspaper got a hold of it. In the next day, Big Red Eye was front page in the newspaper. That's little Sussets

12:06 County is a little Bigfoot claim to fame there, And. It looks like, from looking over your channel, you've done more than a few investigations in that area. Of New Jersey. Correct, Yeah, Yeah, it's a high Point. State Park is about forty five minutes from me, and we just have so many good squatching areas in northwestern New Jersey and in New Jersey itself. People don't realize this is sheer acreage that we have for something large to be able to be supported and stuff like that. So it's staggering when you think of bigfoot in New Jersey. People think you're crazy, but it's really cool. I'm a very big fan of the bear and bigfoot. They eat similar things to apex. Predators living in the same area probably eat the same things. Right. We actually have in Sussets County the highest density of black bear population east of Mississippi.

13:01 So I think if there would be anywhere that bigfoot would be able to be supported, it's somewhere where it has the food that can support these large predator preachers. Right. New Jersey definitely can support a large animal like that. Absolutely. When you are going out to these certain spots in Sussex, have you had any interesting encounters. We've gotten some of the best best pieces of evidence that I've ever collected from Sussex County, and that's probably just to say, because I go out there all the time, I'm obviously going to get more evidence from there. But we've collected a footprint back in twenty and sixteen, fifteen and a half incher that I've posted everywhere that I could possibly find, track identification pages, everything like this, and people just say that it can't be real, but I found it. We've gotten some vocalizations from high Point State Park.

13:58 There's a gas line that runs through the north end of the county here, and I think that's a big foot highway. I think bigfoots would follow these gas lines and power lines of things. But we were on this gas line we did a barred owlcohol, which is an owl that lives around here, and about five seconds later we got like this vocalization, three distinct loud howls. I always try to vet my evidence before I release anything, so I would send it away. I sent that piece of audio off to a linguist from the military who also does bigfoot research on the side, and he came back and said, because X, Y, and Z, this is outside a human vocal range and it's no known animal.

14:42 Have you ever heard any whoops type vocalization anything like the given type sounds. Or the most recent one we had up but that was over the summer. I was up in Whitehall, New York, actually in Vermont, in a beomosine, Vermont, in the next to the state park there. We went up to this one lake and we hiked up there and it's like like two in the morning, and it sounded just like a person but a monkey. We did a whoop and it just did the same exact thing back. It wasn't an echo, And it was like, like we are literally two miles from the closest road, there's no campgrounds. It's those things that make you go and make you really want to go back and figure out what's making those sounds.

15:28 Going back to New Jersey for a little bit. It's a few months back. I had a gentleman on a few times. His name is swamp Dog. He's a great guy, but he is a guy who is seriously researching in southern New Jersey. Oh cool, there are some really interesting things going down. I don't know if you're familiar with the Vineland, New Jersey area in the south, have you ever gone down into the south part of New Jersey at all? Man, The South Jersey is really wild because you have one point one million acre Pine Barrens Preserve, right and that's that's right outside of it, right in Bolin's right inside of that area, and that's obviously known for the Jersey Devil, right the South Jersey and the Pine Barons known for the Jersey Devil, but also Bigfoot. We have found baby Bigfoot tracks down there, so that was very interesting.

16:20 We actually found him on three separate occasions through different years apart, in the same area. We actually went down there not too long ago. We went out with this YouTuber, very popular YouTuber who contacted me and was like, I'm doing a fifty state cryptid thing and I want you to be New Jersey's guy, and I'm like okay. So we went down there looking for the Jersey Devil and he actually obtained some goat's blood, which their goats are said to Jersey Devil said to eat goats. So we got some goat blood and we smeared it all up on this tree, got some trail cans and stuff. Yeah, we go big Wow. Who was do you mind dropping the name of who that was? Channel I have Andrew Callahan.

17:01 Okay, I have to look that up. Yeah, it's like a news real fake news site something. Oh okay, cool, it's interesting. Yeah, he's got like two point two million subscribers or something like that. It's cretably been down there, and it's I always like to have fun. So why just research Bigfoot when you could do both? Two birds one stone, Right, all you got to do is look up same thing. So what are your thoughts as to Some people think of the Jersey Devil as just interesting folklore story. Some people actually think that there is a creature out in the woods of the pine bearance. Do you find yourself more in either camp or Yeah? I think after doing a whole lot of research into it, I want to say it's a really good folklore story.

17:48 What's interesting about it is that you can piece together every part of that story can have happened, like the family, the Leeds family is actually a real true family. You could trace it back. I have a brick from the chimney that the Jersey Devil was said to fly up through, which is really cool from the original household. That's creepy. Andrew Callahan got me that too. Yeah, I will say though I do my library presentations and I do have a slide in there about the Jersey Devil. I had a presentation in South Jersey, down the Pine Barrens area, and I used to say that I think the Jersey Devil was actually a misidentified bigfoot, and people are a little appalled by that. Apparently down in South Jersey. My thing is seven foot tall, screams at night, glowing red eyes.

18:38 Sounds like a bigfoot to me. But I think initially it was a misidentification of a sand hill crane, which is a big bird that may have weather pattern could have caused it to come up to New Jersey, and they don't have internet or anything like that, so there's no way of looking up what kind of bird this is. But it looks like a devil at screams like a devil, and has red eyes, so of course that would be a flying devil for the Jersey Devil. I liked the idea of it maybe being a misidentified big foot. When I hear about the Pine Barrens, and I've talked to people a few times about it, there's some really weird stuff that happens in those pine barans for some reasons. Have you ever had anything weird happened to you in there?

19:27 On expeditions or routinely when we're camping, big trucks will come into the campground and just like idle there for fifteen twenty minutes, tinted when not a cop type of thing. Just odd. We've been late one night and we were deep in the pine barrens driving in there, and you can get very lost in there. We came across either it was somebody bearing a body or somebody looking for Bigfoot. One of the two. It was one of the two. We didn't stick around to find out. But yeah, it's just a crazy area. There's I will say, if anybody's interested in going out to investigating the Pine Barons. The New Jersey State Park Police do a very proficient job making sure nobody is breaking the rules down there is keep that in the back of your mind as well.

20:15 Yes, no breaking the laws guys. And I got pulled over one time and the cop was really cool. I was at a memorial. It's Cran's and memorial used to be in a Mexican aviator went down the Pine Barons. I put this memorial up for him and I was down there just showing my friends the memorial because they've never seen it. And State Park police pulls up. What are you doing? And we have our Oliver camera gear. We're in Camo. We're looking for bigfoot and he's what, Oh, that's interesting. I don't think there's any bigfoot here, but if you want, you can. You just can't be at the memorial. I was like, okay, thanks and any let's go. Sounds weird.

20:56 You had an interesting video about investigating the Brown Mountain lights. Oh that was a cool trip up down in North Carolina. I did it on a last minute thing, knew about it, and I was staying down in Ashville, which the Brown Mountains are about hour fifteen from Ashville, just like one night. I'm going to take a ride up there. And the road to get up to where we were, I think we're at Lynnville Gorge. I think it's called is not for the faint of heart, So you need a four wheel drive to get up there. But if you want to check it out, it's really cool. There's a big overlooking thing and what said is near or on the mountain in the distance, Actually not Brown Mountains, a different name of a mountain. But anyways, they say that there's these ghost lights that appear some people think they're fires, somebody starts a fire. Some people think they're headlights, and sometimes they even appear off the mountain, as in the sky or behind the mountain, which is unusual. And sometimes there's a fog that comes off the mountain in very peculiar spots. I just wanted to go out there just to see if I could find anything. I sat out there for about two hours and did not hear nor see anything, but it was very beautiful.

22:08 Another one it really caught my eye was that what happened to you when you were doing a big foot call one time? In Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. It's even a cautionary tale. All right. Let me just say this was after like a ten mile hike in the Florida's heat. This is day seventeen tent camping for us, so we were a little exhausted by this point. So the story is, we walk out to this lake in the middle of Maya Haka Hatchie River State Park or my no Mayaka Forest. Anyways, we get out this area and everybody's Mike, do a big foot call. Mike, do a big foot call. You're the best at it. You're the best at it. I'm like I'm really not feeling it, guys, I'm not. And they're like, no, you to do one. It's the last one at the trip. It's like, all right, fine. I didn't even it wasn't even like a long hal it was just it was a very good, good, powerful vocalization and I passed out after it a little bit.

23:14 You definitely did. Knowing that background information, I could definitely see how that could happen. Though, being deep into camping for that long, you're going around all over the place for red Eye. Has there been a time when you are going out into a state forest and you've just had something happen that really took you back or it just things got really intense. Yeah. Just the other day, we were hiking up in Stokes State Forest, which is in northwestern New Jersey, and we had a class a encounter of a bare box.

23:57 And let me tell you that they put bare boxes in the state forest by the campsite, so you put your food in there so the bears can't get them. And these things look or they're about the same size as a extremely large black bear and dark. They paint them black for some reason. So we were going around a corner and we came across this and it was darker than the rest of this pitch blackout. I'm like, fleer, flear, get the fleer. So we're getting the fleer up, there's nothing on it, and finally we get this big spotlight on it. It's just a bare box. So that was crazy, and this happens, I think to everybody that goes big footing. You get the occasional I'm walking and I'm going to pick up a stick from the trail just to make sure it's not not blocking anybody on the trail, but it's actually a six foot snake. That kind of thing.

24:45 That's a common thing that happens to me apparently. But now I think the most I take out of going on these expeditions really is we get a lot of cool stuff. I know, when I was down in West Virginia, in Sutton, West Virginia, there's this place you go down to and I went down there doing it. It's right along this river board and I was doing a big foot call. I wanted to go down there at night, and I literally went down there every night, not because it was squatchy, but the whole forest was just a firefly lit up. It was casting shadows that how many fireflies there were. I was like, man, this is the coolest thing. This is why you go bigfoot. It's every place that I go. It's not about looking and finding Bigfoot.

25:32 That's not what I do. I like to go and see areas that you wouldn't necessarily see. Like today, we just got back from a little excursion up in the Catskills. We were up there for a couple of days doing a little filming and we stopped at this waterfall today, pal Kills Waterfall, and it was just absolutely incredible And it wasn't anything bigfooty related or anything like that. It's just one of these side things that you do because you're in the area, and it's those things. It's the views from the out and tops and those waterfall things that really make you remember why you're doing what you doing. It's not about finding Bigfoot. It's about seeing something and being outside in nature. That's how it is for me. I got a message back on YouTube, and this is back in like season two. I get an email from somebody that says, because of your videos, I watch your videos every week, and because of your videos, I live vicariously through you. Because I have a new illness that I will not let me out into the woods anymore.

26:31 So you're the videos that I watched to experience what I used to do, because you're doing the same thing that I used to do. And I said, oh man, that's really me. That's how I knew. Like we're filming season eight's that's just how it goes, right. Yeah, you experienced stuff like that and you're like, Okay, this is actually making a difference in someone's life. For sure. It makes it all worthwhile. I know that's why I do it, and I'm pretty sure that's probably why you do it too. I really like providing a platform for people to share their encounters where it's a safe, respected environment, and I've noticed that you have started to do that as well.

27:12 Do you mind sharing about you have a series where it's almost you run into these people and you get them to share. How did that come about it? Bigfoot Campfire Store is basically what it was. I have some of these really great, long interviews with some really unique people, and I can't, for the life of me, fit them down into one episode of my show because it would just be the interviews the whole show. And I can't have that, you know what I mean. So I decided to I'm going to make this extra special series docuseeries of and it could be from two minutes long to two hours long whenever they want to talk about their experiences. And what I've gathered from the feedback is that everybody thinks it's it is. It's extremely raw, it's not edited, it's it is right from the mouth of the person that had a class A insight at sighting with a Bigfoot. That's that's cool. And a lot of times ninety percent of the times were actually back in the area. I know there was one hunter that had not gone back to the area for thirty years before I took him back there, and he was the first first time back there that I took him that he saw I saw on Bigfoot, which is crazy. Yeah, But speaking of platforms to allow people to open up about their Bigfoot encounters, I don't know. If you see my vehicle, the Bigfoot Mobile Command Center, it's all grasped

28:44 out with ye. Seen a little bit of it in videos, but tell us about that. It looks very cool. Yeah, it's I made it myself, took out the back seats and I made like a raised sleeping platform so I could like sleep in the car. I don't have to pay for Airbnb and like travel expenses and stuff like that. You just sleep in the car if I need to. There's storage compartments. I put a secondary car battery in there so I could charge up all my stuff all the time. But I put graphics on it real big This is Bigfoot Mobile Command Center. And every other week I would say, I'll be at like seven to eleven or a convenience store or something like that, and somebody will come up to me and say, hey, I've never told anybody this before, but I saw a bigfoot thirty years ago, and that's so wild, and it happened so frequently it almost would shock you how frequently it happens. But funny story is, so as I'm sure you do, you talk about Bigfoot a lot, right, And I know for me, if it bigfoot's my job. So I want a day off of my job every once in a while. So like I called my friend up this a couple of years ago. I called my friend up.

29:56 I said, Hey, we're going to go out tonight play some pool, but we're not going to talk about Bigfoot. Bigfoot is off the table right. So we get there, get out of the car, slam the door, and what do I hear from across the parking lot bigfoot? And I'm like, oh, no, here we go. So the guy comes over and he's, hey, my grandfather has a big foot cast that he's never shown anybody. Do you want to see it? And I said no, I am off tonight. Now I said absolutely, of course I want to see you. Of course. So a couple of weeks later I go up to this gentleman's house and he has not one, but seventy bigfoot casts off of such Indian that he's never shown anybody before.

30:41 And this, you said, Sussex County, Yes, sir, WHOA, So that's really interesting. Was he getting the tracks from an area that you hadn't researched before? Gets him from all over the Kiddatiti ridgeline actually butts up against it, which is really cool. The place that I don't go because, especially during the summer, because there's are a ton of rattlesnakes, which is very interesting that he a is going up there himself and be pulling big footprints from the side of a cliff. Your professional opinion, looking at did the footprints look pretty legit or. Oh yeah, yeah, this guy didn't know how to mix the plaster of Paris at all, but he the prints were there are some wonky ones there, but of course you're going to get wonky ones when you have a seventy of them that captured over the years. But the guy wasn't faking it. He wasn't going to tell anybody about it ever, like he was going to die not telling anybody about this. So that's why I know that they're legit. Like he wanted me to come over, like his grandson was the one who told me about it, Like he didn't call me.

31:46 Okay, so you man, I feel like I need to put some Bigfoot stuff in my car now because it's incredible, man, Like you never would have gotten that unless you had Bigfoot Command Center. And it's one hundred percent absolutely yeap. Dude, I'm going to look into it. Thetickers on my se. A, we'll have to put that in the show for sure. People had to get those, had to plug it. Oh yeah, oh yeah, totally. When you are out filming these expeditions we've talked about there was an issue with a snake. You picked up a snake. Have you run into any other animals when you're out there looking for Bigfoot?

32:33 And yeah, yeah, the most scared I've ever been in the woods before, the most scared I've ever been the woods. Let me set the scene for you at Stoke State Forest right before a public BFRO expedition. I was an investigator at the time, and we got out there a night prier, me and another investigator, and it was cold, but it was very There were no clouds in full moon right you could see casting a shadow, no question about it. So I had this one person ten maybe maybe like just as like you couldn't sit up in it type of thing, like the only thing you could do is snuggle up and sleep in it. So since it was cold, I was under my two mummy sleeping bags and I'm just got situated in a nice warm and everything. And then it happened, right came up from the top and just the shadow started casting dout, came right over my head and then started dropping down.

33:29 What was it, spider? Oh? Gross, scared I've ever been, most scared I've ever been in the woods. I screamed like a little girl. But that's the three people asked me, like Oh, you're not scared of bears in the woods. Yeah. Inherently, bears are scary creatures, but if you don't mess with them, they're not going to mess with you type of thing. So the three things that I don't like in the woods tick, spiders, and people. Oh yeah, yeah, people. That's a great point. That's a crazy sure that you don't know what's going to happen if you're way out in the boonies and all of a sudden there's a person and you don't know if yeah, they're actually out of control, or if they've got a weapon.

34:13 Or inherently, as a bigfoot researcher, you don't want to see anybody else when you're researching. That's the goal of going out to look for Bigfoot. But we were in the Delaware Wood Gap National Recreation Area. This is what you're going off of what you were just saying. We were doing a it was a night and a half. It was a very weird night. We almost stepped on a bear. Mom and bear, no it was baby bear. Mom was in the woods but didn't. But anyways, we were driving through this village called Millbrook Village. It's an old historic village, not it's abandoned, but they fixed it up all nice. Anyway, there was a guy walking along the road. Nobody lives here, okay, and it's two o'clock in the morning, and he's in shorts and has a backpack on and flip flops and it's cold, and I'm like, okay, something's not right. We got to stop. And we drive past him and I'm like, guys, we got to turn around, and everybody else was like, wait, that's a ghost. We didn't that's that's definitely not a person. That's just a ghost.

35:16 And I'm like, no, it's not a ghost, it's a person. We got to stop. So we stopped this guy. He was having a medical emergency, psychiatric emergency, right. He was actually running away from his house and he was going to he was going to attempt to do the Appalachian Trail and this is this was in February. He had his flip flops on, he could he wasn't going to make it the night type of thing. So we ended up finally, he wouldn't give up any information about when I'm not there's the state police out there, but they're just going to lock him up in a hospital or something. So we ended up getting contacting his dad finally after hours of talking with him, and his dad came out and got him and stuff. So and I wouldn't recommend anybody doing that, especially with somebody that's having a psychiatric emergency.

36:03 As I mentioned though before, I'm an EMT, so I know how to handle this situations. But definitely it wouldn't have made it the night talking about being in the right place at the right time, even and that's just because we were looking for Bigfoot. God, if we weren't looking for Bigfoot out there, who knows what had happened to that guy? What are the chances dude, that you know, just an random EMT Bigfoot just happened to be in the right area so he could help Adde not have his last night. Like, good on you for sticking it out and making sure that he was good. A few questions that maybe the listeners might be trying to imagine that, I would ask, have you been fortunate enough to have any visual sightings of anything Bigfoot related yourself? Are you still working towards that maybe someday.

36:50 Another funny story for you. We were down in the pine barns as we were just talking about along this river where we found footprints before, and we were walking and it was me and my friend Tom, and all of a sudden, I was a little bit ahead of him. Talked about being at the right place at the right time. I just I also hear his flop and I turn around and he is literally up to his chest in mud. He fell through. It was like quick mud. He lost his like he lost his boots type of thing, Like he wouldn't be able to get out if I wasn't there. So if bigfooters, if you're going to go out, always try to go with another person. You never know what's going to happen. It could be as freaky as getting caught in quick mud, but it happens. Anyways, after this, we're walking. He doesn't have any boots on. He's a trooper.

37:39 He's tough it out where He's like, I see something, so I grab I wasn't filling my show. I had a still camera and I just pick up the still camera. I'm just snapping away and I didn't see anything. He saw it. We went back and looked at the pictures and it was actually like a little blur like tip of a head that you could possibly see that was like coming out over a rock. Oh man, it was so far away you can't make it out. It could have been a deer. Nobody's ever going to see that picture, you know what I mean. Have I seen anything? No, but I think I've come across everything, but short of seeing one. Yeah, I get you. It's one of those things where I've been out two times, which is low number compared to yourself. But I think we I think we both would one day want to have that experience. There's that old question that always gets brought up. How are you classifying this creature that you're trying to find? What is Bigfoot to you?

38:44 I go about researching and looking for this creature the way I would go about researching an extinct or expired animal. So I think they're biological creatures. And the evidence that I have found, aka footprints, I've been given some hair and stuff. Like if they weren't of this dimension or whatever this plane that we're on, I don't think they would leave too much physical evidence. But anyways, it's just I think that you can't explain an unknown with another unknown, And I think when you have people that are of the realm of Bigfoot or UFOs or intradimensional creatures that we have, No, we don't have any knowledge of. You can't use that to explain something else. It just doesn't work like that. So when you have somebody that tries to use that logic to explain something away, it's just like, man, we got to think of the most simple. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck, right. So that's what I think bigfoot is, except obviously a.

39:58 Bigfoot absolutely, So we've got definitely we're in the physical creature something flesh and blood camp. So then going down that road, there's a few ways you could go off. Right, are you categorizing it in any specific we have maybe something more ape like, something more human? Yeah, any I think it's got to be. It would be nice if we knew more about this creature, right, But we just don't. And that's the thing. I think we would be speculating at anything if we could guess at that. But I think personally that it's probably more human but also has characteristics of primates. I don't think they're intelligent enough as we are. I don't think bigfoot can start a fire. I do think They have like means of communication though, so they could talk to each other and communicate with each other. So that's where I think that I think that I could use primitive tools to be able to do their daily tasks and get food and stuff like that. That makes sense to me.

41:07 So I think that they're like at a premium R doll level of existence. When it comes to where we have evolved from and where they might be right now, I think they have evolved just like we did, except they took a totally different path coming over than we did. If Bigfoot ever discovers fire, we are in a whole mirable Can you imagine. That, Yeah, worse fires everywhere? It would that would be bad news. Or like all of a sudden you'd be in your campsite and this huge like torch would get thrown through your head. Yeah, no thanks, that would be some wild stuff. The Big Red Eye is becoming definitely quite quite the quite the thing you've got. You're sending out a few graphics I've seen where you're you're trying to almost gather a team together.

42:01 Can you talk a few minutes about what are certain people you're looking to join your team? Yeah, so here's what it comes down to it and this might take your listeners by surprise, but big footing isn't a priority for a lot of people. I do this full time. This is my life. Like I go around, I support myself. I speak at libraries during the day. That's how I get to travel around to all these places. I set up a library tour and I'll do seven to ten libraries over a twelve day period and be camping that whole time film in the show. It's really awesome. But yeah, it's like pulling teeth trying to get people to come out to some of these longer expeditions. I'm at a place where I'm able to compensate people now to come out and with their abilities, whether it be for filming. We're always looking for camera people to come out.

42:57 I'm getting tired of hold the camera and film on myself. That's just what it comes down to. But that's it is what it is. But we're also looking for like somebody who will come out to these expeditions but manage and be the logistical operations person, Like we have an interview this time, so we need to leave here and get to the library at this stuff just so everything moves easy, and it's gotten to the point where I'm I have to I have to get more people to do this now where it's become more of a it's become big. It's getting larger than myself. Like I said, I do this full time and it's a full time job.

43:39 Editing the show, running my website, doing the library towards like that in itself is a full time thing. So we're also looking for people to book podcasts and stuff like that, and just just some of the stuff that it would take loads off my back right where we're doing a sponsorship manager now where we have we're going around looking at companies that could have some items that they would want us to use on our show. We've got that unique following where all you need is a really good email and you could do some pretty amazing things. M Let's say you have someone that is new to your channel, do you have a top three videos that you would really want them to check out?

44:24 Yeah, first would be when I got Bear maced Oh oh yeah, that would be number one. Yeah, yeah, no, number some of the actual like legit episodes. I know there's some that I put out because I put out a video a week and it's almost impossible for me to go on a bigfoot expedition each week and then edit the show and whatever. That's why there's a lot of episodes from high Point and from Stokes and stuff like that from Susset's County because that's where I can get to logistically. But check out some of the big, longer episodes that there's a couple that are coming out that are really good. The Whitehall, New York one that we just had that that hal a lot, or the Whoop on that one's coming out soon. And I know we just filmed up in the Catskills, so there's going to be a cat Skill episode coming out, which is really it's going to be a really cool episode too.

45:11 Just check out some of the funny things. I have a thermal capture of a bigfoot that I filmed in high Point that it could be a big foot. I don't know what it was, but I filmed it on thermal during the day, and I actually filmed it on my regular camera during the day too, and I do a side by side comparison of where what it was and stuff. So when we actually go back and do a recreation, that's something cool to see. As well. Do you have any advice for listeners that are like I might want to go out and find some state force with some bigfoot action, go out there and see what I can do. Do you have any advice for the new researchers that are trying to get into it.

45:53 Yeah, and I've been asked this question a lot. So what I just did because I can, is I made up a docu series called squatch Obles, how to Find a Bigfoot big footing one on one. So just pick up a copy of Squatch Doubles. It's ten bucks in ore Etsy now, But it's what it is. It's you got to You would you don't want to go by yourself the first time. You want to play it safe, but you also don't want to go out with a complete stranger. Bring one of your friends out and have the tools and equipment that you'll need to be able to that you would going on a hike, be smart about it. I would scout out an area during the day first. That's what I do is I don't go to any area that I haven't been first during the day at night because that's dangerous, right. There could be loose rocks or the ice or something that you didn't see, So always scope out a place during the day. But the most the biggest part about it is have fun, have a good time when you're out there. Is like I said before, see something that you would see sitting on the couch, and make it, make it something that that you are really interested in, and make it how it's going to be fun for you. There's no right or wrong way to look for bigfoot.

47:05 Right, absolutely, Yeah, that's at the end of the day. Good bigfoot outing is also a really good camping outing if you're. Doing that right, camping on steroids. Absolutely, that's what I tell people. Yeah, do you. Have any things that you follow when you're trying to find Let's say I'm going to this state and I'm looking for the good bigfoot areas. Here's the thing. When I do my tours, the way I find a place to squatch or a place to camp is I go and I map out my library locations and then I pick a state park that centralized to all of them. That just logistically makes it easy for me. I can't be driving three four hours each day to get to a library. That just doesn't make any sense. So all camp in one of these areas that's centralized now that may or may not be the squatch used area that I can go bigfooting. But that doesn't mean anything to me, because just as there are reports the bigfoot, there are not reports the big foot.

48:08 People aren't reporting bigfoot because either they're not there or maybe there's just nobody looking there. You need to have two things to report a bigfoot. A person in a bigfoot, and if there's no people looking for bigfoot, you're not going to find one. But they take that a step further. And what I'll do is during my library presentations, I'll just say they're all local people. I'll say, hey, who here is seeing a bigfoot? Is my first question that I asked, And people will come up to me, especially at the end of the thing, and say I saw a bigfoot here and here in this park, in this park, And then I'll go there, why not? But it sounds so obvious, but like it's smart. Yeah, it just ask the people if they.

48:52 Where it comes down to. I love it. I love it. That's so awesome, Mike. It has been a fun, fun chat with you. I'm glad we're able to actually. Get to spend an hour. That's crazy get an interview. And this is if stream Yard doesn't mess this up, we might be curse. But do you mind spending a few minutes reminding people how they can keep up to date with what you're doing, Things that you can pick up on your sc stuff like that. Yeah, we have everything that you can imagine here in the shadow biggert I first and foremost. If you'd want to know anything about the show, head over to our website, Shadow of Redeye dot com. That's a great place to find all of our YouTube episodes, what's coming up, our tours, where next appearances are going to be, all that good stuff YouTube is in the shadow bigger at Eye or at Shadow of red Eye. That's our bread and butter.

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50:29 I like that. Yeah, yeah, but anyways, Yeah, I'm not hard to find. If anybody has wants me to come to their area and speak at a library out by them, or has some interesting stuff that they would like to share with me, you're more than welcome find me on any platform or social medium. Very open, awesome. Are you really only waiting on your four thousand hours watch time for the year because you're over like two k okay, so big with seti I'm going to talk directly to every list for a second. Please make sure you're subscribed to Mike's channel hit the bell like you do on Big for Society so you don't miss anything, And then please just watch a few episodes, a lot of episodes, because the fact that Mike hasn't hit four thousand, like, we need to fix that for him.

51:19 We're gonna hopefully fix that for you. Mikes. Thank you so much for coming on. It has been a really fun chat. We can't see what comes down the pipe from you guys next, but thank you so much for coming on. Man Hey, next time out in your area, I will let you know. For sure you're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one of.

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