March 2, 2026

Inside Area X, Oklahoma: What’s Happened in the Last 5 Years

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Season 1

In this episode, we explore the recent experiences of Rick, a board member of the North American Wood Ape Conservancy, who has spent the last five years conducting boots-on-the-ground research in a remote region of southeast Oklahoma known as Area X. Making repeated trips from Arizona into the rugged Ouachita Mountains, Rick shares what has unfolded during ongoing field operations in one of the most closely studied Bigfoot research areas in the country.


He describes active nights in camp marked by rocks landing at their feet, trees being pushed over shortly after arrival, and loud strikes against cabin walls in the early morning hours. Rick recounts a daylight sighting witnessed by a teammate of a reddish-brown upright figure moving through sunlight, as well as thermal imagery captured during a tense bluff charge near camp. He details the discovery of extensive trackways circling structures and skirting camp perimeters, small human-like footprints found in the dirt, gray figures moving through thick brush, and preserved hair samples awaiting future analysis.


Rick also discusses the introduction of an all-female field team designed to observe activity patterns from a different angle, along with reports of guttural “faux speech” vocalizations heard before dawn near the cabins. Drawing from five years of continued investigation, he offers insight into how the activity in Area X has evolved and what long-term research in a single location reveals about these elusive beings.


Join us as we step into the woods of southeast Oklahoma and examine what has been unfolding in Area X over the last five years.


Resources for Listeners:


• North American Wood Ape Conservancy – https://woodape.org


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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. I've got Rick with me. Rick

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is on the board of directors for the Rick is

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on the board of directors for the NAWAC for about

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two years, and of course we're talking about the organization

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based down there in southeast Oklahoma. As we'll hear more

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about Rick ben in the mental health profession for eighteen

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years with a doctorate in forensic psychology. So a little

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bit of information about him. But welcome to the show.

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Rick.

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How are you doing today's sir?

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I do really well? Thank you? How are you?

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I'm doing great? A little information about how this all

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came about. Had an individual from your organization reach out

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to me about a previous episode, and this individual was like, Hey,

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we would love to kind of touch base with this

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person you talked to, and I was like, I would

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love to touch base with you guys. So and thankfully

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we were able to work something out. As we were

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talking about beforehand, it has been about five years since

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there's I guess you could say maybe a public update

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about what's been going on with then AWAC. So we

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will see about where a conversation will lead today and

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what kind of information will get through updates. But you know, again,

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it's a pleasure to have you on. Is there anything

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else that listeners would need to know about you Rick

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before we get started?

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Well, I I don't think I would put myself in

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the typical bigfoot hunter category, if that's what you want

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to say. I was never too much into outdoor activity.

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I enjoyed it just to get to do it very much.

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I've always loved the topic, but I wasn't really sure

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what I'd be able to participate or what I would

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be able to bring to the group. You know, I'm

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not a I'm not a hunter, I'm not an outdoorsman,

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but I can observe, and I am willing to make

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the drive from Arizona to Oklahoma multiple times a year,

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boots on the ground, and I can keep field notes

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and take pictures and do other things that need to

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be done. So I think sometimes people feel they have

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to have a certain set of skills or attributes to

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be successful, and I group like this and I don't.

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I think it's more just your your willingness to participate

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and learning.

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That's fair fantastic. How about this. Can you think of

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a situation where you experienced something at the beginning of

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your time in Area X, where things got extremely real

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for you and you're like, oh, this place is not

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just a story, like this is actually happening right here.

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Yes, I'm fortunate in the sense that my first my

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first venture in there, it rained a lot. We had

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a lot of rain that week, which is notorious for

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rain in that area. I don't remember if it was

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the second or third night. But we sit around what

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we call dark camp, so we don't have lights, we

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don't have a fire. We just kind of spread out

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in front of where we're camping with thermal imagers and

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just listen, watch see what we can detect and I

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remember Kathy Strain had said on I believe it was

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a one of the documentaries out there. Anyway, she had said,

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they're always watching it. We just assume they're always watching it.

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I told the gang I want to try something, and I,

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you know, being the new guy, I know everything's been

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tried before. But I just picked up a big rock

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from next to me and I chucked into the woods

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in front of us. And about thirty seconds later, we

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hear that that indistinctible sound of something coming through the

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tree tops and we hear a thud on the ground,

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and like, all right, let's they're here. So we got

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out a three man slingshot, so with two guys holding

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the giant rubber band, gone to the other and leaning back,

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and we fired rocks into the woods and we'd get

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I think we had three or four come back at us,

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and then it just stopped. But I yeah, I remember

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thinking that's okay, well this doesn't happen normally. So and

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just getting down there, I mean, you do realize. I

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mean you've been told over and over and over hearing

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about arie X how remote it is. Once you get

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out there and see it and try to walk it,

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you realize this. There's nobody out there is in that situation.

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So that got my attention pretty quick. I've had several

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things out there were like Okay, this is this is

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the real deal out.

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Here absolutely for listeners that I just had a thought.

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I was like, there's going to be some listeners that

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have they probably won't know the area that we're talking about.

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Do you have an elevator pitch of what area X is?

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I mean, that's a tricky one.

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That's a great, great question. So I would just say, yeah,

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down in the in the southeast corner of Oklahoma and

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the Washington Mountains, it's it's a secluded area. I mean

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there's there's ben cabins I think throughout throughout the years,

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but it's very difficult to get down in there. There's

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a lot of private land down in there. But yeah,

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it's the terrain is I've never I've never experienced anything

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like that. Living in Arizona, I've done a lot of hiking.

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You have to keep your eyes on the ground a

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lot to survive out there. It's it's pretty rough. I

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actually missed a sighting watching where I was walking and

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uh so it gets a lot of rain. I know,

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it's we call it a moderate rainforest. It's it gets

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a lot of rain every year, and I've been in

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there a couple of times where there's just you can't

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do much of anything, just have to wait out the rain.

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It's so heavy and so solid. But because of that,

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there's also a lot of us a lot of resources,

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a lot of food, a lot of animals, a lot

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of wildlife. It's it's a beautiful area and it's a

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little bit scary at the same time.

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I want to clarify something with you because you said

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you were watching the ground, and I was like, well, so,

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because I'm aware you've got a lot of snakes and

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things in there, I mean, is it's a dangerous area,

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right right?

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Yeah, right, yeah. If you don't like spiders, you might

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want to skip out, or don't be the first guy

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walking in line through paths. But a lot of spiders,

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a lot of snakes, rattlesnakes, and copperhends out there. So

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not only watching we are going there, but just the

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uneven ground and the rocky terrain. It's yeah, I've fallen

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several times. I don't know how you know. I've made

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it out there find I know some people have hurt

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themselves out there, but it's it's not hard to do.

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And another interesting fact, it's a treacherous drive even to

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get into that area, correct.

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Right, That's correct. You have to have certain type of

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be able to get in there. Some people have been

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a little braver than others, so if they've attended to

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get been there. But I'm going in for my seventh

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week of research this summer, and I'll be white knuckling

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it just like you did the first six. It's yeah,

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it's a ride.

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How many years are those seven weeks spread out over

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that you've been in there?

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Think I first went in in two thousand and twenty two.

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It was my first summer in there. I did. First

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couple of summers I did, I did two weeks, split up,

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and then I've gone in for the last just one

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time a week. You know, life and other obligations obviously

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step in. But I wanted to get as much as

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I could those first first couple of years.

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So absolutely, so let's let's get into it.

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Then.

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What are maybe some interesting events or potential discoveries that

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you you've had as an organ organization in the last

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five years in this area.

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We've had one of the most amazing trackways I've I've seen.

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I didn't get to see it until months and months

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and months after it was discovered, but it was still

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pretty pristine when we saw it. It was pretty clearly

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of two individuals that just wandered around this this one

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area and had a we had a tree twist on there,

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we collected some hair samples and and I think later

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in that same week they found another trackway down where

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Elton Higgins had the famous mud hole track that he

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found that's where he kind of realized he's in a

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good area. And it was in that same spot and

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it was just trailed off into the woods. And so

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we've had that, we've did a lot of there was

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some really good field work done on that. We're still

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looking and getting some information out of that. And we

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did aren't what we call, well, we called the Asset team,

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but it's a it's a team at camp made up

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strictly of females, female researchers, and they don't they don't

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go in there acting like our normal research teams. They're

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just camping. They're just having fun. They're you know, cooking

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by the fire. They'll go for day hikes, whatever, they're doing.

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But then we have an other team that's about a

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mile or so away camped and they will sneak in

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over time at night and monitor camp, monitor the hills,

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monitor the area. And we've had some pretty interesting things

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happen happen with those teams. So we're continuing with that.

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I think this is our I think this will be

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our third year doing that. So had a pretty decent

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bluff charge from one of our members and we got

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some thermal imaging that we can't quite determine what it is.

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It looks big, but with thermal imaging it's it can

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be really hard to discover or what that is. But

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so we've been doing that as well for the last

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few years.

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That is all incredible. How long would you say that

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trackway went for that you were able to you were

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able to follow it.

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So it went around an old building. So it looks

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like they came up from one area I'd say walk

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in Maybee fifty fifty feet, circled this building and then

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they walked off into a field or whatever you want

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to call it, little clearing and even in there you

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see divots and push down of old tracks that have

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been there for a long time, but these were these

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were really good, really good tracks. So yeah, I had

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one of our other former board members that was on that,

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and he's gonna hopefully get on and tell us a

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little bit more of the real specific details on that.

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But yeah, it was something else.

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Okay, So it sounds like that any trackway questions might

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be better left for this other individual than.

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Yeah, more likely.

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Yeah, got it, Okay, very good. The asset team is

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very interesting and those two teams that's been going on

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for for three years, and I it's such an interesting

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idea to have an all female team like that. Has

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that led to any interesting interactions with that team and uh,

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you know a bigfoot coming into the camp.

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Well, so nothing that's been I would say out of

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the ordinary, everything out of there, coming out of theirs,

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out of the ordinary. But yeah, I think there were

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there were sounds heard, you know, whoops and other vocalizations

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throughout the week, but it was the evening time and

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nighttime when the uh, the other team was in there

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kind of monitoring the area and seeing if they could

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get something coming in and that's when they get the

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bluff charge and it got a heat signature. They could

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actually hear the thing breathing. I don't remember how far

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away they thought it was, but they could hear real heavy, heavy,

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almost like an asthmatic breathing, and then they got something.

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I'm a thermal image.

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I'm sure that thermal image has been analyzed over and

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over again in the group. How are you able to

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get a feel of how tall that individual was that

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that was on the thermal footage?

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No, really not, I mean it could have been hunched down,

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you know, it just depends on how close it was

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to Sometimes with thermal imaging, you think you're looking at

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a black bear until a raccoon comes out, or vice versa. So,

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but it looked like it was. Anytime you have different

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people looking at thermal imaging, they might pick out different things.

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So and I've seen that with pictures we've taken down

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there too. Or I don't see anything in that photo,

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and I can clearly see what I think is a

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leg or a shoulder, but it's hard to tell. So gotcha.

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Have you had any let's say, any class A or

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visual sightings over the last five years from team members?

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Yes, absolutely so. The one that I was discussing my

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second trip August of twenty two, and it was three

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of us. We've been out kind of hiking the whole valley,

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just being in different areas. We had settled that in

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an area a couple of days prior and had rocks

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coming out of the tree line at us. We were

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all kind of spread out and hidden out and kind

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of decided it was time to get out of there.

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And then a couple of days later we went to

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a different area not too far and as we went

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to go look at a certain spot, and instead of

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backtracking and just turning right around, we decided to go

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on a bigger loop and go around and we almost

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feel like we caught this animal off guard. So as

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we're kind of coming up a little trail, there's three

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of us. I'm in the back, another gentleman is in

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between us, and we're both at the time this happened,

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we're looking at our feet because we're kind of going

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down this little steep rocky area, so we want to

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make sure we got a good foothold. And right as

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we were doing that, the guy in the front saw

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an upright creature kind of hunched over like when the

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way he described it, it makes me think of somebody in

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a movie theater when they're kind of cutting in front

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of everybody. They want to make sure they don't get

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in your way, so they hunch over, and he just

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darted in front of the path kish brown, he said,

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like an Irish setter color. But it ran in a

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patch of sunlight, so he could really see it leaning off.

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And of course he's upset that he didn't. You know,

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he can't get a shot off in that amount of time,

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and we didn't see anything, and so we were upset

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at that. But that was that was a wild afternoon.

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Just kind of decompressing after that, even even though I

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didn't get to see it, just talking with someone immediately afterwards,

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that was that was very interesting.

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I can't imagine having an encounter like that. So when

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you say take a shot, that could obviously mean one

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or two things, And so it leads into an interesting question,

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what would you I know, at times in the past,

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naw C has been really focused on trying to get

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an actual, like physical specimen, but then there was a

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kind of a focus on maybe getting using camera to

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get an actual like photograph of one instead, and sure,

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what would you say the focuses in this time and

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period the last five years, what is organization's focus on

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getting well.

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I don't think we ever got away from trying to

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collect a specimen. So I think that was always out

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there for a lot of these members. There were like

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members like myself and I think other members. It's just

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it's a lot it's a lot of pressure to have

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a fire arm. You mean, you know, hunting a deer,

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you know, hunting a bear, You're hunting something that is

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until you see it, apparently it's really it's hard to

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pull the trigger, I think, And so I think that's

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a lot of pressure for some folks. So some people

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just don't want to do it. So we did try

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to reinvigorate the camera group and we're still trying to

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do that, so trying to figure out the best ways

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of doing that and the BEG camera traps or that's

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what I carry out there, besides the side arm for safety,

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I carry a camera and just again the same thing

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as I guess with a shot, you're just hoping you're

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in the right spot at the right time. But yeah,

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I'm trying to collect a specimen. That's that's never really

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gone away, but a popular opinion with everybody. But when

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I still when I said take a shot. I think

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I'm trying to think of where we were at the time.

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I don't even think we were carrying long guns into

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where we were. But he had a camera with him,

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and you know cameras out there, it's you charge him

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up and sometimes you go for twenty minutes and they're dead, like, well,

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now we're going to see something, you know, or it

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just didn't have it on for whatever reason. It's it's yeah,

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but to at least snap a shot, had it in

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his hand and didn't get a chance to do it.

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Why do you think that is that you have? So

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it sounds like, at least in some instances, you have

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batteries that will go dead. And do you have any

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thoughts about why that might occur in that area?

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You know, I think a lot of it has to

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do with the weather. Honestly, it's it's very very You

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went out there in the summertime. I'm not an expert

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at that type of technology, but you know, they some

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of the some of the items you use would would

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get really hot, so I just think they're just getting

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overheated and with the humidity there, I think that that

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plays a big part into it. And you know, we've

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heard about the big Foot curse before you know, equipment

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just suddenly not working. But I just think there's a

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some luck to that, I think. But yeah, I think

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part of its weather. We've got some guys that kind

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of figured some stuff out too. Hey, if I use

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this type of an external battery pack, it tends to

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last longer. So it's just a matter of getting all

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the right equipment and and and you got to remember

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it is turned it all on, make sure it's all charge.

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You get into these long, hot hikes and you're tired,

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and sometimes people just I will put this on today

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or whatever. It's a big mistake.

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That's the that's the time then you would need it. Yeah.

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Do you feel in the last few years that there

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has been an actual photograph taken of uh in this situation,

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we would be definitely uh man, there's so much background information.

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Guys.

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If the n e w a C stands for North

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American Wood A Conservancy correct, Yes, correct? Okay, so that's

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our that's our foundation, guys. So do you feel that

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there has been a time where there's been a photograph

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taken of a wood ape in this area in the

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last five years? That's been pretty good?

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Not that I'm aware of. Like I said, there's there's

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been a couple of shots where, you know, we've if

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you're out sitting around for a couple of hours and

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you might keep hearing something from area. You know, we've

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learned just zoom in whenever you can just start snapping

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a bunch of pictures because we've gone back and looked

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at someone like there's a shape of something there. I

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can't you can't say it's an eight. But I think

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one of these times you keep doing that, you might

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might well capture something. But not that I'm aware of

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nothing that that I believe. But you know, we probably

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still have who knows how many hundreds or thousands of

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photos to still try to produce or with with some

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of the camera traps we'd had set up for years.

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I can't imagine that. That's just that I totally get it, though.

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I mean, it's not just you guys. There's other organizations

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that have so much data that they've taken in and

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they just don't have the time or the manpower to

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analyze it. I totally get it. It's like, yeah, no,

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there's other examples out there. I know in the past,

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and I'm talking longer than five years back. There has

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been times in this area where individuals have had a

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what ape in their sites and they weren't able to

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pull the trigger because of what they saw. Do you

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has anything like that happened since or has there not

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really been a situation that's gotten close like that did

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back in the day.

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I'm trying to think if there's been anything since then,

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and I know, yeah, there's been a couple. I think

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I can't think of anything since then. You've had something

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in your sights, and I don't know if that's you know,

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it's interesting as time goes on and we learn about

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the apes, you know, they're learning about us too. So

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when you first read about or hear about Area X,

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it's just this other world, you know, just like stuff's

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happening all the time, and it wasn't, but that's how

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it appeared. But I think, you know, they haven't left

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and we haven't left, so they've just learned to kind

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of get around us as much as possible. And literally

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last summer we found a trackway that almost just shirts

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the entire camp. We found a good trackway. Let's follow it. Well,

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this goes from almost a perimeter of our camp all

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the way it just takes them, so they don't ever

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have to be afraid that we're going to see them.

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So I don't know if it's they're being more careful

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or we just haven't been lucky enough.

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Sure, have you experienced any situations where there's been evidence

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of tool making or structure building or anything that you

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might see present in other ape species as well?

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Now, I personally am not. Other than we know we

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found some neut crushing stations in up there. There was

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there was one gentleman that was well, he was on

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one of our teams. He was guse, I want to

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say bumb brush, but he was aboff charged by an animal.

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It clearly it was an ape. And so they went

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back to see where this thing was, where it was hiding,

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and where it was watching him from. And they found

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a stick that was perfectly balanced on this other. There's

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other stick, so if he moved it one way or

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the other was going to fall. But this thing was

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just sitting there perfectly balanced. I don't know how that

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happens naturally, but right where the ape had been. So,

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I mean that's probably the closest we've seen. I had

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never seen really any stick structures I did talk about

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the trackway and we found a tree. It was probably

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I'm trying to think how big the tree was around

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maybe you know, four or five inch diameter, and it

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was it was grabbed and just you could just see

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it was twisted all the way around and then pushed

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over so it kind of pointed in the direction. Whether

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that meant anything or that, I don't know. I think

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the tree was just in its way and it was

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just just doing it to do it. Like we've messed

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with sticks, trees and stuff too, I don't know, but

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nothing we've seen.

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Absolutely. And so I've been out to Oregon in the

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mount Hood National Force and I've seen some some tree

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twists as well. And I don't know if you've ever

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seen pictures of things like that from the PNW. If

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you have, are they similar to what you're seeing then

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in the area ATX area?

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And like I said, well, I've only seen the one

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out in X. It was pretty low to the ground too,

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wasn't real high up probably four feet, so it wasn't

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a big tree. So and and and that's a good

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you know, that's always been a good question of mine,

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is are they doing different things in different areas. You know,

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maybe a similar as far as a lot of forested areas,

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a lot of trees, but you know, it does seem

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like there's a lot more of these structures and things

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like that coming out of the Northwest than we would

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see down there. The goal is ultimately to be able

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to get this species identified and and then thus the

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conference that the conservation piece comes in. You know, and

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I've never been someone that not that I discount you know,

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some of these you know, things to our environment that

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have been happening, but just in the in the few

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years I've seen it just to drive in, it's it's

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sad some of the cutting of the trees and and

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and they're not being replanted with what's being cut down,

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so we're really doing a disservice to all the animals

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out there. But the goal is to identify the species

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so it can be protected not just from hunting but

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from environmental encroachment things like that. So uh and some

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of the sub goals, I mean, that's our that's our

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main goal. And I know we've talked about photography and

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uh uh and actually collecting, but you remember that the

461
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:12.319
Tag seven where we had sort of wood apes tagged.

462
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.319
We're hoping to replicate that. So one of our goals

463
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.119
is to with a newer technology maybe redo that. But

464
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:20.920
we need boots on the ground to do that too.

465
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:24.440
So if I could plug if anybody out there feels

466
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.440
like that is something that you know, they can, you know,

467
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.119
devote some time to get out there and do that.

468
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.440
We have a membership tab on our on our website

469
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.559
to you know, submit an application and but that was

470
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:38.960
I wasn't there for that, but the stories I heard

471
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.640
made me tired, and that was a lot of running

472
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:46.440
around and chasing for ten eleven months something like that.

473
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.240
It was is crazy. So we're hoping with some newer

474
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:51.759
technology and some more boots on the ground, maybe we

475
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:55.400
can help do this again. Oh absolutely, Yeah.

476
00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:00.079
The tag seven account is just a really interesting thing

477
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:04.240
for listeners to look into, and the monograph is still

478
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.200
up I would imagine on your website right absolutely. Do

479
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.640
you feel like there have been any particular events within

480
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.759
the last five years that have gotten you closer to

481
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.839
your goal that you have as an organization?

482
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.359
You know, I think, I mean, I definitely think the

483
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:26.359
Asset team has been something totally unique and there's been

484
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:31.839
activity each time that they've been out. You know, it's interesting,

485
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:36.640
I think just the different techniques that people have. You know,

486
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.960
I could gilly up and go hide for six hours

487
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:45.799
in one spot, or I could wear my normal clothes

488
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.359
and go sit in the middle of the field and

489
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.920
I might have the same chance. And we've had people

490
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:57.640
do both of those and have success. They're still coming around,

491
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.160
they're still making themselves known to us, so we just

492
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.079
want to be able to take advantage of that. Yeah.

493
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.759
Absolutely, What do you think the closest that someone from

494
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.279
the team has gotten to an epe in the last

495
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:10.240
five years.

496
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.440
I'd say that bluff charge we had. It's it been

497
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:21.240
a year now behind where we camp. That was pretty

498
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.599
pretty intense and got pretty close. From what we could tell,

499
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:31.759
we've had well, it's hard to tell when the power

500
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.799
knocks come in how close it feels like that they're

501
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:36.799
fifty yards from your cabin. They could be a lot

502
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.079
further than that. But we've had some power knocks, we've

503
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:43.039
had some cabin slaps, so technically guess pretty close, but

504
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.640
you know, the second you rush outside, there's nothing there.

505
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.759
So I was on a team we had two of

506
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:52.079
those at two thirty in the morning on two different

507
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.720
nights and it was heard by the same people, so

508
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.920
just different different areas of the cabin. So they're still

509
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.440
approaching even in the camp. But I think that bluff charge,

510
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:06.359
which was actually a pretty close story of Latrain good Spot,

511
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:13.000
that's about where that happened, so really close. Gotcha.

512
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:20.839
Have you figured out any interesting ways to initiate nothing?

513
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.839
I'm aware of nothing that I've come across. I think,

514
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:26.960
like I said, it's they've really gotten used to us.

515
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.200
Sometimes we'll sit silent for two nights in a row

516
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:31.240
and not make a sound, and then the third night

517
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:33.839
we might try a wood knocker who and we might

518
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.279
get a response, we might get absolutely nothing. We have

519
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.680
found this magic formula that that's going to make them

520
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:44.519
do it, So yeah, we keep looking for it and

521
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.640
we keep trying. I mean, it's we keep we just

522
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:48.680
we keep trying things. Sometimes we'll try it in a

523
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.839
different way if we have a way of doing that.

524
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:54.960
But I've looked over the list of things before I

525
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.960
got on there to think that they've tried, and I've

526
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.920
been pretty surprised just some of the things they've tried

527
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.480
to elicit responses, and some of it works, some of

528
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:03.960
it isn't.

529
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.759
Yeah, it's some really interesting things people are trying out there.

530
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:14.400
I know that a long time ago there were things

531
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:17.440
put in place of what to do if there was

532
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.839
a specimen that was actually taken. Is that the same

533
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.680
case with the organization or is that changed.

534
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:28.319
We still have Yeah, we still have a protocol in place,

535
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.759
so if if something were to happen, we've kind of

536
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.960
got everything all I'll lay out what we're going to do,

537
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:35.519
who's doing what everything?

538
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:41.200
Yeah, gotcha? Which I'm trying to think and this is

539
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.000
this is public. You can find it in different interviews.

540
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:50.680
Is it Artemis protocol? I think it was called that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

541
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:55.680
These last five years, I think the asset team was

542
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.920
a really good addition, you know, seeing unity in purpose

543
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.200
with two different teams operating at the same time, which

544
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.880
is kind of interesting that the home team basically away

545
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:11.759
team sneaking in at night. But I just you know,

546
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.440
in my vision, I almost see as we're just we're

547
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:17.839
just keeping keep doing what we've been doing, try to

548
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:19.680
do new things, but we don't want to give up

549
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.839
on some of the old stuff too, because stuff has

550
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:26.119
worked in the past. So I, like I said, I

551
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.440
don't think it's as active as it was back in

552
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.720
you know, two thousand and six, seven eight, all that,

553
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:34.960
because I think we were new to the apes, but

554
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.119
now they're used to us. But you know, you still

555
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.839
get these moments of I think you catch them off

556
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.680
guard or a younger one decides he's going to act

557
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:50.000
up and talk. We've had we've had a couple of

558
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.759
instances of fust speech being heard in camp early morning.

559
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.920
So we've had a couple of businesses like that. We've

560
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.400
had a couple of other sighted just quick sightings of

561
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.480
a gray something big and gray going through the brush.

562
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:09.160
We've had some thermal sightings from camp that looked very interesting.

563
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.279
And you got one guy saying it's on two feet,

564
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.319
that's on two legs. The other guy when he gets

565
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.359
up close to it, you're not looking through thermals because

566
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.839
I think it was a bear part of I mean,

567
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:23.920
you just never.

568
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.759
Know what when you say faux speech, are you actually

569
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.240
I'm just gonna can you explain what you mean by

570
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:32.880
that exactly?

571
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:40.319
So faux speech obviously it's our guests. We believe it

572
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.640
sounds like communication. It's a garbled, jumbled I've heard it

573
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:49.480
called samurai chatter. Just a low guttural string of bowels

574
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.519
and consonants put together, just sounds like grumbling. But you

575
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.000
can hear intonation. You can almost go with that one

576
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.119
was bad at that one, you know, or we've had

577
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.000
it where they were two of them are kind of

578
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.079
chattering back and forth, and a much louder voice kind

579
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:05.319
of did one big loud whook and then everyone just

580
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.079
everything stopped. But yeah, we've had one of our guys

581
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:12.760
wake up in the early morning, pre dawn, and he

582
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.360
heard what sound like a conversation going on behind him,

583
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.159
not too far from the cabin. So just but you

584
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:25.000
can't decipher words, it's just these guttural voices and sounds.

585
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.480
If you it's it Sierra Sounds, run morehead, you'll see

586
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.239
exactly what that sounds like. It's very interesting.

587
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.960
Okay, And I was just going to ask that actually,

588
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.400
so you're saying it's very similar to the Sierra Sounds.

589
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.199
Son, Yes, that's what they've been saying they're hearing.

590
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:48.519
Okay, have you guys been able to get your own

591
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.119
recordings of that speech.

592
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.280
No, we've had we'll have cameras or cameras, we'll have

593
00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.960
audio recorders out all night and we've we have record

594
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.320
at certain things. We have recorded some of that post speech.

595
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.400
I think it's on our website from years ago, but

596
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:09.159
nothing on the recent any of the recent trips in

597
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:13.599
the last five years. Yeah, we've had things that we

598
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.920
thought should get caught on recording and we wouldn't hear it.

599
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:23.360
Same thing with camera. But yeah, no, I haven't had

600
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.719
the post speech recorded I think in the last at

601
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.519
least five years since I've been there, even though folks

602
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.320
have heard it. Gotcha.

603
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:42.199
Going off of the data you guys have gotten, do

604
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:46.519
you have any idea of how big the group.

605
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:47.079
Of apes.

606
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.719
Is in that area, if there's males, females and juveniles,

607
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.760
or are there maybe multiple groups? Do you have any

608
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:56.840
information about that that you've gathered.

609
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.800
So, I don't know. I'm sure at some point somebody's

610
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.119
made a guess on that. As far as the number,

611
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.440
you know, back in our earlier days, we definitely saw

612
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.280
there were visuals of little ones, so I mean to me,

613
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:17.119
there's there's definitely a breeding population out here. It was

614
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:19.440
last summer, the summer before we were walking through an

615
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:23.480
area not too close to camp, but it wasn't too

616
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:26.000
far from where we used to do some research. And

617
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.559
I saw some really small what looked like human footprints

618
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.920
in the dirt. So if they're still breeding, yeah, it's

619
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:34.440
hard to tell. I don't know how large they get

620
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.920
if there's one alpha male and some juvenile. So I

621
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.480
mean we could be looking at five to ten. It's

622
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.280
hard to tell. Gotcha.

623
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:48.159
And you mentioned the gray individual, which that was something

624
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.760
where they were your organization was seeing the gray individual.

625
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:57.760
I mean years before twenty twenty two as well, right, correct.

626
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.360
Correct, know if it's the same gray individual, we don't

627
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.119
know if that's a color phase that they get get

628
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.760
to when they're older like we do. But yeah, there

629
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:10.880
were two people that saw this that look like the

630
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.079
hind the hind end of a very large, gray, hairy

631
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.519
animal busting through the woods, busting into the brush. And

632
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.320
that was probably a couple of years ago, two three

633
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:29.400
years ago. But yeah, we've difficult gray which was I

634
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:31.800
think all the nine feet from what some people are saying.

635
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.239
But we've seen other gray individuals apparently out there. I

636
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.320
think we had a sighting of two gray individuals at

637
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:37.400
the same time one year.

638
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.119
Was that uh pre five years or post or after

639
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:43.920
the five year mark?

640
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.079
Pre? Yeah, okay, gotcha.

641
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:57.079
Has there been a time when let's say you have

642
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.840
someone that's new to the organization, they come down for

643
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.880
their first time to aria X and they are just

644
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.599
they are shook up, and it's like, I don't know

645
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.239
if this guy is going to even return after what

646
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:13.239
he experienced. Has there been anything like that that's happened

647
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:14.440
in the last five years or not.

648
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.800
Not in the last five years where it's been like that.

649
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.679
We have had some people suddenly just decided not to

650
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:23.960
go in anymore, and they just they don't want to

651
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:25.440
talk about it or say why, and we're not going

652
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:27.519
to push it. So I don't know if it's something

653
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:32.199
that was seen down there. We've had people go down

654
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.880
there and it wasn't like you know, Mike Mays's book

655
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.599
It's fantastic and whoa, This wasn't like the book at all.

656
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.119
You know, I didn't see anything this weekend, and so

657
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.719
they were they didn't want to come back either, so

658
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:49.880
kind of opposite, kind of interesting. But I've been in

659
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.320
there with a couple of folks that it was their

660
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:58.239
first time and they were, you know, rightfully I say, scared,

661
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.119
but just just cautious. And I think those first couple

662
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.239
couple of nights, you have to let them know what

663
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.039
certain sounds are. So I had to be told that

664
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.239
as well. What is that That's a frog? We don't

665
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.079
have frogs like that where I'm from, So you have

666
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.400
to learn the land a little bit. After two three days,

667
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:18.519
they kind of settled down and they've swall in love

668
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.960
with it. It's as scary as some of the nights were.

669
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.320
They fell in love with it. So I haven't had

670
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.440
anybody refuse to come back because they were too scared

671
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:27.960
in the last five years.

672
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:33.599
Gotcha, Have there been any individuals that have experienced anything

673
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:37.800
like infrasound? Is that a thing that ever comes up

674
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:38.400
down there or.

675
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.440
We've we've talked about it. I don't know if any

676
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.880
incident that where we can point that as a possible

677
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:53.039
explanations of what we had. It's it's hard to tell. Yeah,

678
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:56.360
I've heard about it and we have discussed it, but

679
00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:00.039
nothing that we've nothing that we've been able to in

680
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.199
point that's possibly what that was. Gotcha.

681
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.840
You know one thing I'm I'm a fan of and

682
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.239
I've seen you guys have come out with a few episodes,

683
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.840
is are there any plans to come out with more

684
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.119
episodes of the UH, the podcast that is put out

685
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:20.079
by the UH, the N A W A C.

686
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.880
Definitely, So myself and Dusty kind of decided we needed

687
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.639
to we had a little bit more time. I don't well,

688
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:28.440
I can't speak for Dusty, but we're going to at

689
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.719
least try to get this back on the on the

690
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.679
on the ground. You know, when you've got a full

691
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:35.840
time job, that's a that's a tough gig to sometimes

692
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:40.159
wrangle together. But we have we have a whole lineup

693
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:41.800
of different shows that we are going to do when

694
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:44.079
you start getting those put out here, whether we do

695
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.599
one a month when every other month, I just you know,

696
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.800
sometimes it got backed up to where it was a

697
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:51.360
couple of years and it's it's a lot of work.

698
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.599
So but yes, absolutely we are bringing the podcast back

699
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.880
and so that is awesome.

700
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.800
That's that's really good to hear. Always a nice surprise

701
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.360
when you see something come out from from that feed.

702
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:11.400
There's been some really good interviews that you guys have

703
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:18.400
have put out. Can you talk a little bit about

704
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:23.000
Let's say there's someone listening and they have you know,

705
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.599
they've listened to this, they've listened to other interviews, they've

706
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.960
read the book, from Michael, and they're like, man, I

707
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:35.039
would want to try to get involved. Can you talk

708
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.760
a little bit about what kind of individuals the organization

709
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.400
is currently looking for and in the process of how

710
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.159
one would apply for that.

711
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:50.400
Sure, So, I mean definitely it can be difficult to

712
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.920
do in a in just an application setting, but we

713
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.519
want someone that comes on board that knows much as

714
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.559
much about our organization as possible. So, uh, you know,

715
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:06.800
information in print and podcasts for whatever. We want to

716
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.039
know that you know, people have read or listened or

717
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.639
you know, they're participating somewhere to get some knowledge, because

718
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:14.800
we want them to know what in a way, what

719
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.920
they're getting into what we're all about. And whenever you

720
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:22.840
join a group, there's some assimilation process and and we

721
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.320
have you know, like what works for us, and so

722
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:27.719
we do have times to meet meet up, but that

723
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.920
first step is the application, and it's you know, I

724
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.039
know there are questions on there about law enforcement or

725
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.199
military background and things like that, and that certainly doesn't

726
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.119
disqualify somebody if they don't have that. I don't have that,

727
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.119
but we're just one of the big things is are

728
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.559
you are you willing to come out? And that could

729
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:49.840
be a difficult thing for people based on location. It's

730
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:51.960
you know, we're not all over the country. We're in

731
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:56.000
one little spot in Oklahoma. But can you do it

732
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.280
once a year, you know, if you're willing to put

733
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:03.280
boots on the ground and willing to learn and willing

734
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.960
to take feedback, maybe criticism. We've had a lot of

735
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:12.320
top notch folks in the organization, but you know, it's important,

736
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:14.159
especially out in the middle of nowhere for a week,

737
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:15.679
that you're a team player. You know, how to get

738
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:18.679
along with others and follow direction and things like that.

739
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:23.239
So and then after, you know, after the application process,

740
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.199
we have an associate member level ships so they have

741
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.599
access to, you know, certain things on the on the website,

742
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.079
on the discussion boards, and we have a training camp

743
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.440
in the spring, and then we have a retreat for

744
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.480
members and family in the fall. It's a great time

745
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.480
to not only get to know each other, but to

746
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:48.800
ask questions and you know, pick people's brain and and

747
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.920
and just a chance for them to get to know you.

748
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.039
And and then that's that's how you would make that

749
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.639
the the research level where we say okay, so now

750
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.960
you're able to get in and come down to area

751
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.000
X with us and help us figure this out.

752
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.559
Yeah, I mean that's definitely a good way to make

753
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.199
sure that the right people are in that area and

754
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.280
not sneaking in as it as it were. I mean,

755
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:16.039
that's that's quite the uh uh. It's really a pretty

756
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.280
intense vetting process, but but a good one.

757
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.599
So yeah, And it can be difficult to do with

758
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.280
times because I mean, not everyone's going to be a fit.

759
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.360
Even you can be passionate about the subject, but you know,

760
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.440
it's we have our our our ideas and how we

761
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.559
want to do things, and some people get in there

762
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.400
and even after a year or so, they're like, it's

763
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.559
not exactly what I thought, and they just go their

764
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.400
own way, you know, and we're still friends and whatever.

765
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:47.239
But it's it's, yeah, it's amazing how many people like,

766
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.159
oh that sounds cool. I'm just gonna submit my name

767
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.199
and they're just gonna bring me right on board. It's like,

768
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.760
so what if you what do you know about us? Nothing?

769
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.159
I heard you on such and such podcast. Well, do

770
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:00.280
a little research, read up on us, make sure you're

771
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.639
align with what we're doing. And yeah, so Mas, your application,

772
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:10.840
the initial time of being in camp and having a

773
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.199
rock thrown at you. It is interesting. But it was

774
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:17.840
that next two months later when the sighting occurred. That

775
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:22.079
was one of the busiest weeks. But I always say busy,

776
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.880
just it was so much was happening. They got to

777
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:26.840
the point we'd be seeing in camp and rocks should

778
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.559
just be landing in camp, and it just you didn't

779
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.400
even look anymore. It was to the point where, like,

780
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:34.599
I mean, I don't know who's doing it back there,

781
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:36.519
but these rocks are just a keep coming in. We

782
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:40.760
were laughing about it. But a valuable lesson that I

783
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.280
learned was, and I've been told this from other group members,

784
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:47.760
you know, not everything out there is bigfoot, right, so

785
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:51.440
you still have to look with a you know, an

786
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:55.840
objective lens through everything, at everything. And we had just

787
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.639
gotten back from the outing where we had the sighting,

788
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.920
and right after that we had two bears come into camp,

789
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:04.840
which I'm not fond of bears either, so that was

790
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.880
a great afternoon for me. Got rid of the bears,

791
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:11.159
and then we started hearing this little knock, like a

792
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:15.199
little almost sounded like a rock on rock, which is

793
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.199
said light tapping, and so one of the guys decided

794
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.239
to mimic it. And it kept going and back. We

795
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.039
do one, they do one, we do two, they do two,

796
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.679
and our eyes well popped out of our head. So

797
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.599
I took over the tapping while our friend decided to

798
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.599
get the scope out and look up. It was up

799
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.480
on the little hill behind the cabin. And finally he

800
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.280
motions to me to follow my look and just look

801
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.840
up into that tree and there's a woodpecker not making

802
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:47.039
the noises. So I wanted him dead because I was

803
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.320
thinking I was communicating with, you know, some hate. But

804
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:54.960
I realized, perfect example, perfect humbling experience of not evening

805
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.480
out here that you can't you know, sounds weird or odd?

806
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.559
Is Bigfoot? It's the you know, the rock's coming into camp.

807
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.599
I'm like trying to figure that out because we are

808
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.320
near a hill, but no, these things are landing. They're

809
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.320
not rolling, They're landing, and I don't know what's doing that.

810
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:12.960
And we have that metal hoots you've probably heard about too,

811
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:17.000
where it's kind of a pull through cardboard and when

812
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:19.400
you know, stuff hits that, we just have to check it.

813
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.440
Because you could sit there and go, that was a

814
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.760
rock and then you look up there and I unlet's

815
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.280
it bounced off. That's why we keep the whole area

816
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:30.039
clean around it. We sweep the roof. It's pickery nuts,

817
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.159
but every one in a while you get rocks that

818
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:36.519
are coming out there. So the cabin slat, though, for me,

819
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:40.760
I think was probably the weirdest. Two thirty in the morning,

820
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.519
laying on the bottom bunk and just something right behind me,

821
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:49.760
right where my backside was just smacked the cabin and

822
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:51.599
I looked at my you know, the guy on the

823
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.599
other bottom cabin, and I don't know what that was.

824
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.519
So we sat, we listened, We didn't hear any other noises.

825
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.000
And two nights later, the exact same time, on the

826
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.519
other wall, the opposite wall smack happened. So I've never

827
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:10.159
experienced anything like that. That was that was interesting. After

828
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.800
that one, we kind of busted that see what could

829
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:16.239
we see, Grab the thermals, grab the white lights. Didn't

830
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.239
see any thing, but that was definitely an interesting night.

831
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:22.280
And that was right after we'd had a power knock

832
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:28.039
I think earlier that day. So what started as a

833
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.599
pretty quiet week ended at pretty busy. That was July

834
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.760
of twenty three. I've heard about the cabin slaps, and

835
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:38.920
I've heard of other you know other strange loud noises. Now,

836
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.039
the first that week when we had the two of us,

837
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.000
the three of us there, we have the sighting. They

838
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.559
had some pretty good hearing. I had to really learned

839
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.840
to adjust my city hearing to the woods. But at

840
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.960
one night there was besides a howl off the distance,

841
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:58.960
they heard a loud It said it sounded like a

842
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.079
Volkswagen being dropped from a cliff, just this loud crash.

843
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:04.960
And we searched all the next day to kind of

844
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.920
figure out if we could find what possibly that could

845
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:13.079
have been, but we never came up with anything. The

846
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.119
other odd thing that started that week off. So the

847
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.840
gentleman that had the sighting, he had been there the

848
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.039
week four, so he was there two weeks in a row.

849
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.119
And so when we finally pulled in the camp and said, hey,

850
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.760
just to let you know, the last two teams that

851
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.760
have come in here, within thirty minutes, there's been a

852
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.960
tree knocked over in that field over there, all right,

853
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.400
So we just sat under the hooch and just relaxed

854
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.760
a little bit, and thirty two minutes after arriving, the

855
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:42.960
tree got pushed over and the one of the gentlemen

856
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.679
was with us. He's really good at pinpointing where sounds

857
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.679
are coming from. So that's about three hundred yards that way.

858
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.960
So we looked and we found a pushed over tree

859
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.280
looked pretty fresh. What we found also in that area

860
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.880
is in on the ash trees only up about seven

861
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.280
six seven feet eight feet maybe somewhere in that were

862
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.159
marks on the tree where it's been hit. So we're

863
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.239
wondering maybe that's where the knocks because they do have

864
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:08.760
a different sound on the ash trees than they did

865
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:10.719
on some of the other ones. So and it was

866
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.599
facing our camp, so you could knock the tree and

867
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.320
look right at us, and I got assuming watch what

868
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.679
we were doing. But that was an interesting week. I

869
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:24.760
learned a lot of interesting things. Learned not to sit back,

870
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.039
and you know, anything could happen anytime. I think this

871
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:28.519
is what came out of that week for me.

872
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.480
Oh yeah, are you guys? Do you have audio rolling

873
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.639
right when you arrive in the area.

874
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.159
So we you know, that's one thing we need to

875
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:42.400
invest in is just to have team. You know, everyone

876
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.199
has individual recordings and some are really really good about

877
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.039
having that out constantly, and otherwise some of us will

878
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.880
just do it at night over overnight. But yeah, I

879
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.559
think that's something we need to just have running constantly.

880
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.920
Oh yeah, I mean you could because you could have

881
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.679
something like I mean, I'm sure there's times when people

882
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.280
aren't in Area X, and I mean you could have

883
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:12.039
something like wildlife acoustics type recorders for the times that

884
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:17.840
you're not there, but just like long term duration recorders.

885
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.719
Yeah, yeah, and then we get you know, I know,

886
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.639
you can look at that visually to see what you found,

887
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.960
but you're going to find somebody that's gonna sit down

888
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:29.079
and do all that too. But I agree, and I

889
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.000
think that's where we've gotten you know, some of our

890
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:35.039
audio as well, just having it out there. Yeah.

891
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:39.079
Absolutely, this question might be one of them where it's

892
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.440
better for the individual is going to talk more about

893
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:46.079
the trackway. But you did mention that there has been

894
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.840
hair found at certain times.

895
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:51.280
Is there any.

896
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.280
Anything going on where that hair is being analyzed or

897
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:01.280
DNA tested or anything like that, Not.

898
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:03.800
That I'm aware of at the moment. It's being preserved

899
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.960
until we can figure out there's there's different thoughts on

900
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.119
that too, but we need to find the right the

901
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:12.960
right place to do that. You know, some places you

902
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.159
send stuff off it's like, oh, it's not a you know,

903
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.599
I don't want to know what it isn't of course,

904
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.079
you can't really tell me what it is. I guess,

905
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.760
but sometimes we've gotten some odd in the past, we've

906
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.159
got some odd responses with blood that we've had tested.

907
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:28.519
So at this point I think we're hanging on to

908
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.519
it so we can determine exactly where we want to

909
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.320
send that. But I don't believe that that could be wrong.

910
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:41.159
Yeah, I get it, especially when you have evidence like that,

911
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.320
you just don't want to have a disappear on you.

912
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:48.480
And yeah, I know there's a there's a pretty good

913
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.039
uh as a gentleman. I've talked to you from North Carolina.

914
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.440
He's got a pretty good DNA study going on right now.

915
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:58.800
His name is Derby or cut. Oh, but that's that's

916
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.719
that's very interesting. It'll be cool to hear, you know,

917
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:06.599
maybe in the future if you guys are able to

918
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.840
analyze those somehow, or even has anyone taken like a

919
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.679
high powered microscope to them to see if they can

920
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.079
see like the modula of the hair at.

921
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:19.159
All or I don't know if they have. That's a

922
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:23.199
great question. Yeah, that would be another really good look at. Yeah.

923
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:28.599
Absolutely, wow. It's great to hear that things are still

924
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:34.440
progressing at this area in southeast Oklahoma where you know,

925
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:37.960
it's not known where the exact area is, but it

926
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:40.880
is somewhere down there in southeast Oklahoma in an extremely

927
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.599
active area. And it's been i mean, the organization has

928
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:47.480
been there, is it twenty plus years now?

929
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:48.440
Yeah?

930
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.840
Yeah, Yeah, it's wild. It's absolutely wild to think about.

931
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:58.599
It's probably the longest that's probably the longest duration that

932
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.320
organization has focused on one area for for Bigfoot, I

933
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:03.920
would imagine.

934
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:05.519
I would think, so, you know, and this is where

935
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:09.599
I tend to feel that inadequacy where you know, I've

936
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.199
been in the organization for five or six years, and

937
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.920
and the giants that have come before us, you know

938
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:18.239
that that did all these this leg work and had

939
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:20.679
spent the time in the field. It's like, you know,

940
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.840
they they've done tons that we're just so thankful for.

941
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:29.840
And so but you know, we got to have he said,

942
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:31.519
boots on the ground, and my boots are willing to

943
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:37.000
get out there. So I've I've learned to I've learned

944
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.840
to love going out there. I actually had a great

945
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:42.280
fear of traveling by myself. I didn't like it. I

946
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.480
had a lot of anxiety and now I can't I

947
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:48.079
can't count how any trips I've made Oklahoma just between

948
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:55.280
research and training camps and together. So I absolutely love it.

949
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.480
It's my second home. So very cool.

950
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:02.280
Well, it has been it's been a privilege to have

951
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.079
you on the show and talking about any wac are

952
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.440
there any I want to make sure that you were

953
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:11.119
able to share everything that you had come to the

954
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:15.639
show to share today. Just to not cut you off.

955
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.880
No, no, no, I had a little list of ongoing operations. Oh,

956
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:22.440
I guess one of the other things that we have

957
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:27.280
asked it's because we haven't had a podcast really don't

958
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:29.880
give a chance to advertise it. But for people to

959
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:31.559
have had encounter, it's kind of like how you heard

960
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.639
about and getting in touch with us is we've had

961
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.239
people outreach us in the past that maybe have asked

962
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.199
for help or asked us to look we have a

963
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.280
member in that area, because we do have members all

964
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.960
over the country. If there's anything we can do to

965
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.239
help out, we can. So we do ask that people

966
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:50.039
submit encounter reports. We do keep our own list of

967
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:53.320
account reports that we go through. Not saying is very

968
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:54.760
often that we're going to be able to respond if

969
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:56.840
somebody feels like they need help with something. Usually they

970
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:59.039
just want to let us know, hey, I saw this

971
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:03.000
and this is what happened. But pretty much all over

972
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:04.920
the country be getting reports, so we encourage people to

973
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:06.119
continue to do that as well.

974
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:12.559
So that's awesome. Yeah, whatape dot org correct, Yes, yeah,

975
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.800
So it's a great website. If you want to hear

976
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:21.760
some of the best collected Bigfoot related audio, go to

977
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.719
that website. There's also really intense papers to read about

978
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:29.480
prior research, and then it's a really good database of

979
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:33.559
citing reports that you can read through too, So definitely

980
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:37.639
worth checking out. But then that's also where you would,

981
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:40.639
you know, look into if you're wanting to try to

982
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.679
apply for the the organization, that's where you could do

983
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.320
that as well. But Rick, Rick, thank you so much

984
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:51.480
for coming on the show. It's been great getting an

985
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:56.000
update from the NAWAC. Hopefully I'll be able to maybe

986
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.039
talk to some other individuals in the future, But thank

987
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:00.679
you so much for coming on the show today.

988
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:03.679
Appreciate it. Thank you so much for having us appreciate it.

989
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:08.280
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

990
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.559
around Oakridge, Oregon, and you think to yourself, Man, I

991
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.440
would love to get out in those woods and experience

992
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:19.000
it for myself. Well, guess what This year you can.

993
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.639
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

994
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:27.599
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

995
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.840
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

996
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:35.440
even better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll

997
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:37.800
be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild.

998
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:43.320
I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you

999
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:49.960
haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

1000
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.079
you just got to be there. We'll leave it that

1001
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:54.880
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

1002
00:57:54.960 --> 00:58:00.119
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

1003
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:05.039
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

1004
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.239
not only go to the festival, but you can also

1005
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:15.800
sign up for a track deep in the wild forest

1006
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:20.559
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the bigfoot spots

1007
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:24.519
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

1008
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:28.199
up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed

1009
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.440
for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is

1010
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.599
searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

1011
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.840
It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

1012
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.920
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

1013
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:47.559
dot com and listeners can use the code b SP

1014
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.360
like Bigfoot Society Podcast in order to get a two

1015
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.360
day pass for the price of a one day pass.

1016
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.440
So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

1017
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:06.960
that you guys can can get a little help with

1018
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.280
the cost there. Appreciate that. Priscilla. I hope to see

1019
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:14.559
you at the booth in Oakridish this year. We can

1020
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:16.880
talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so

1021
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.559
many people last year and the year before. It is

1022
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.519
an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,

1023
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:28.280
and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode,

1024
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.920
I want to say something directly to a very specific

1025
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.440
group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch

1026
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:37.440
or forces, and if you've seen something that no one

1027
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.760
can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger or

1028
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:44.159
forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if

1029
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.800
you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,

1030
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.960
or if you're with the FBI, a federal agency, or

1031
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:54.519
working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed

1032
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:57.599
to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

1033
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.239
search and rescue responder who's heard screen or found tracks

1034
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:04.400
that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

1035
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:08.239
on a remote oil field or a trucker with government

1036
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:11.960
contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told

1037
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:15.599
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1038
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.159
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1039
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:22.920
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1040
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:26.199
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1041
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:30.039
that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA,

1042
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:33.639
NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the

1043
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:38.280
public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even

1044
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.360
if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot Society

1045
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.480
at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear what

1046
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:51.000
you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone.

1047
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:56.360
You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you

1048
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.960
in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode

1049
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.360
of The Bigfoot Society. Every encounter we share reminds us

1050
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:04.719
that the world is bigger and stranger than we think,

1051
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.719
and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the

1052
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.960
tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure

1053
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:13.599
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1054
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1055
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1056
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1057
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:24.960
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01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.599
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1059
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:31.639
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1060
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:34.679
has had a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear

1061
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.880
from you, so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail

1062
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.199
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1063
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:43.800
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1064
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:47.480
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1065
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:51.000
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1066
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1067
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1068
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.840
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1069
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:03.440
following along with the Big Fat Society. Until next time,

1070
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:06.280
keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop

1071
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.519
asking what else might be out there, and see you

1072
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:09.039
in the woods