March 2, 2025

Intense Activity at Medoc Mountain! | North Carolina

Join us as we talk to Johnny Tucker, a dedicated Bigfoot researcher from North Carolina, who recounts his eerie and compelling encounters with Bigfoot in the Uwharrie National Forest and surrounding areas. He shares how his interest was piqued from...

Join us as we talk to Johnny Tucker, a dedicated Bigfoot researcher from North Carolina, who recounts his eerie and compelling encounters with Bigfoot in the Uwharrie National Forest and surrounding areas. He shares how his interest was piqued from childhood through movies and local stories, ultimately leading him to uncover various signs and sounds indicative of Bigfoot's presence. Using audio recorders and thermal scopes, Johnny describes capturing mysterious tree knocks, howls, and even a face-to-face encounter with the creature. He also discusses the importance of having an open mind and approaching these investigations with good intentions. Tune in to hear Johnny's detailed experiences and the astonishing evidence he's gathered.

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slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege

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of talking to mister Johnny Tucker today. He's a bigfoot

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researcher down there in North Carolina. How's it going, Nan,

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It's going good.

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I was kind of hoping for an early spring, but

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we're going through another cold snap at the moment, but

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I think he's going very well. Thank you for the

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invite on the podcast, Big Society, and congratulations on your success.

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Oh yeah, I was happy that our mutual friend Miss

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Vee was able to make the connection. And it looks

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like you've got some really interesting things that will be

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will be looking into today. And you've got I've got

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a few sounds that you've recorded. Well, we'll listen to

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those further in the episode. But Johnny, what was it

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that got you first into this, this whole Bigfoot thing

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to begin with?

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Well, I'd have to I'd have to give credit to

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my parents because back back in the day, I was

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probably about seven years old and they took us to

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see one of the movies that came out I believe

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it was back in the seventies. It was one was

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called A Creature from Black Lake, and I believe the

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other one that came out up on the big screen

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was Sasquatched. And ever since then I was pretty much terrified.

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And but the whole allure of does Bigfoot exist? That

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that stuck with me throughout my my whole life basically,

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and then from ever since, you know, to the TV

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shows that came on Legend of Boggy Creek in Search

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of a Monster Quest, and then when YouTube and the

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Internet came out, just defining stories Bigfoot stories and encounters,

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it just pretty much just blew the doors wide open,

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So it's pretty much stuck with me my whole life.

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When was it that you first realized that all the

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stuff you've got going on down there in North Carolina?

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Well, it was a I always kind of thought that

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Bigfoot was out on the west coast for for some

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reason when I was growing up, because I grew up

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in a big city just north of Buffalo, New York,

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so I'm pretty much a city slicker, and we really

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didn't have we probably had to travel about two and

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a half hours down to the Alligating Mountains, which is

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down the Pennsylvania New York border for if any bigfoots

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were existed, that that would be the area. But got

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down there, so I pretty much thought it was west

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coast thing, maybe Smoky Mountains. I'm more toward the eastern

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part of North Carolina, about two and a half hours

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from the coast, so the mountains for me is a

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good four hour drive, so I kind of figured it

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would be more up toward the mountains. And it wasn't

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until an episode of Finding Bigfoot where they did some

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research and some investigating in the u National Forest, and

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you know the Ure National Forest, it's about a three

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hour drive for me, it's pretty much right in the

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center part of North Carolina. And then from from that,

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I just pretty much was doing some Google searching see

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if there's any kind of sightings or activity that it

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was closer to me, closer to the to the east coast,

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checking out the BFRORO website. There was a few reports

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up and around my county. I don't think a lot

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of people who have had big foot sightings or encounters

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their report to the BFRORO. Probably one for a couple

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of reasons. One, they probably don't know that the BFRO exists,

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and probably they just want to keep it more more

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more hush hush. And the BFRORO website. I was checking

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out a big foot mapping project. There's some sightings up

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around where I live, and I work with a guy

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who had some family land. It's about forty minutes from

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to my west and back in I believe it was

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about six years ago, maybe seven years ago. He had

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either posted up on Facebook or had commented on someone's

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Facebook post that he had seen a white sasquatch on

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his family's land. So that pretty much brought it even

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closer to me. And from there just doing some Google searching.

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There is a crypto Zoology and Paranormal Museum. It's about

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a half an hour forty minute drive from me and

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back in the all of twenty nineteen, they actually had

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a festival up in this state park. It's called Meetnock

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Mountain State Park. It's pretty much in a rural part

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of the state, forty five minutes drive from raleyh Rono Rapids,

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the big city, so it's out in a rural area.

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and met some great people, a lot of local people,

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a lot of local hikers, a lot of local folks

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up in the area that have either had encounters encounters

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meaning tree knocks, finding tree structures, sightings, finding footprints in

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and around the Meetnock Mountain area. And from what I

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took from listening to everybody and talking to a lot

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of folks is that it wasn't it's not just in

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the state park area. It's pretty much up in that

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part of North Carolina, northern part, northeastern part, Central Park.

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So that's what really got me into it, and it's

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I realized that maybe I don't have to go out

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to the west coast to encounter or to see if

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this bigfoot phenomenon exists, I can just go a little

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ways up the road. And that's pretty much what I did.

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I started hiking, doing a lot of hiking and experiencing

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a lot of stuff out that way, and for sure

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it is real.

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Was there a certain event that really, you know, pushed

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you over the edge as you were starting to go

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through your research, something that was like, wow, okay, there

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is no question that what I'm dealing with is right

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out there right now.

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There was. I started the way that my work schedule was.

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I had my day's offer during the week and pretty

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much in the afternoon. So being a rural park, there's

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really not a lot of people. You get a good

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weekend crowd up there, but during the week it's really

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there's hardly anybody up there. So the first time I

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went hiking was October that year, and I had a

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little tire thumper in my car and sparked up in

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the parking lot. There's nobody around, and I started to

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do just a couple of tree knocks. I really didn't

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know what I was doing. The one trail that I

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went down, it kind of goes downstream. It's about a

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time and a walk down to the creek. So about

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halfway down the trail, I didn't know the tree knock

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and just kind of just ran stealth or just ran

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quiet and made it down to the creek. And the

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atmosphere that day it was like super hot, if even

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before October it was super hot. It was just dead quiet,

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really nothing ruin. And here comes a tree knock back

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from the other side of the creek up one of

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the bluffs. I mean, just as crystal clear as you

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can think. It sounded like it probably sounded like a

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pine tree something hitting a pine tree, but just clear

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as day. The second time went out hiking was a

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week later and one afternoon, started at about two thirty

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and took a different trail that went upstream, this time

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a little longer of a loop. It's probably about a

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two and a half mile hike. And I got to

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about halfway on the trail and it kind of loops back.

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section of woods and then eventually out to a field

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where the parking lot is. So I noticed that there

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was a couple of X structures back in the woods,

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and there's also some tree breaks back there. But for

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some reason, when I made that turn and just about

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the head back in, there was just a super super

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feeling of something watching us, just in anxiety. It was

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kind of like my sixth sense just kicked in overdrive.

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Really never experienced anything like that before. And I was

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really deciding whether or not to keep on going or

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to go back the long way. And at that time,

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it was probably about four o'clock in the afternoon. It

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was mid October, so the sun was coming down below

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the tree line, so we were starting to get dark.

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So I kind of sucked it up, started going down

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the trail where the trees both sides of the tree

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lines kind of enclosed in a little bit, did one

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more tree knock, and then ran silent out there. But

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in the meantime, there was being up in this area.

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There's there's a lot of hunters and they hunt with dogs,

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so a lot of times that the dogs they don't

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come back, they'd get lost in the woods unfortunately. But

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there was this dog that was somewheers, not close to me,

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but somewhere back in the woods, and it started barking

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just randomly, nothing to be alarmed about. So I say

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I was probably about fifty yards if if not even

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closer to coming out into this smetal into this field.

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The dog was still behind me, back somewhere in the woods,

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but it was barking even more. I had stopped all

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of a sudden, back where I was not directly back

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behind me, but back in the area that I was,

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comes this super loud, super it was a low yell.

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It was basically like a super powerful yell back there,

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and it was it was a person couldn't do it.

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It was just like super strong. I mean like it

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echoes throughout the whole woods and the dogs shut right up.

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was directed toward the dog or directed toward me coming

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through the area. So I made it out. I went

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to my car. It was about four thirty by that time,

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and in my car, and there was two other cars

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in the parking lot, so I was like, well, I'm

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just gonna sit here and just just in case somebody,

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just in case if somebody was behind me just like

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screwing around, They're gonna come out and I'll be able

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to see if there was anybody back there. But two

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cars in parking lot, they were up in the pavilion

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area using the restroom. They came out and they left.

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I sat in my car and I was just like Wow,

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went home, got on YouTube, googled everything, black bear, black

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bear sounds, yelled black bears everything, and it did not

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even come close. It was like like an unbearished yell.

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It was a short yell. I would describe it as

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if if a person was trying to scare somebody and

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they were say, if a person was hiding behind something

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and then their friend comes up and then they go raw,

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And that's that's really how it was. But it was

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so so powerful. December of that year, just a few

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months later, there's a service road that and that's a

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really small parking lot and you can access the back

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trails just going it's probably about an eight minute walk

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down the service road. And had stopped there one afternoon

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in December. I was just going to take a quick

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walk right down to the bridge that leads back up

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to the service trails. And there's actually a creek that

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runs the whole length of the park. So there's there's

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a bridge and you go over the creek and then

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you go up to the back trails. So I was

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probably about maybe about thirty yards fifty yards from the

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parking lot, had stopped on the service road turns to

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the tree line, and I was trying to get my

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cell phone up and running, and just directly where I

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had stopped, you're going to have a lot of small brushes,

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a lot of dead briers, and then probably back maybe

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fifty yards, if not even fifty yards, you're going to

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have a taller section of pine trees, the taller pines.

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But back behind the pine trees, here comes this super

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loud howl and it was short. It probably lasted about

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three or four seconds. And described it as if you

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watch Finding Bigfoot with Matt Moneymaker, he does this this

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this howl. It's probably about the three or four seconds

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of his howl that that's how loud it was, and

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hurt something walking back there, just stop being kind of

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pacing back and forth. There the leaf litter December, it's

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like super thick, super dry, and I just like froze

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on my track. So I was like, wow, I really

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didn't know what to do. So I basically just like

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howled back at it just to see what would what

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it would do to come if it was going to

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come at me. Or if it was just going to

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stay back there. But I went back in the air

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the next day, had a friend of mine and just

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trying to debunk it. Just had my friend go down

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go down the service road to where the trail head

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was and just like yell as loud as you could

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also over into the parking lot just to yell as

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loud as you could and it was like nothing, just

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nothing compared to the powerful uh how that was. It

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took me about a month to get enough nerves to

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go back there, just to check out what the area

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looked like. But when I did, just before you get

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into the pines, the pine barrier, there was a small

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X structure. It wasn't huge, It probably came up to

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my chest. And there was also a tree break back there.

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And the tree breaks that we find around here, they're

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usually between six and seven feet, so there's an X

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structure tree break. So Ever, since then, you know, I

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was pretty much new to it. I bought this audio

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recorder and I carried it up on my backpack everywhere

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I went to just just to cry to document just

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in case something like this happens again. So it wasn't

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until March of the following year twenty twenty, we had

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a pretty a pretty mild winter that year, and I

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wanted to test to see I've heard people leaving audio

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recorders outside overnight, and I pretty much just wanted to

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test and see what the battery capacity would be and

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how much memory would be to run overnight. So I

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went down to a remote part of the creek and

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left left the recorder up in just like a little

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notch of the tree, and came back the next morning

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and picked it up and just listening to the audio

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for that night.

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Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

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It was nothing special. It was just just normal, you know,

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being being in mar It was still pretty quiet. So

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a little bit of crickets, a little bit of this,

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not even a little bit of deer running around, because

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you can tell when a deer dog walks, walks through

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the brush. It's kind of like peg leggy type. At

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two thirty in the morning, something starts to walk. You

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can you can hear it walks. It's in the distance

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and it walks at a It wasn't a run. It

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was more like a quick walk, not a fast walk,

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but a quick walk. It starts off walks right past

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the area that I had the recorder set up. Now,

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this is down by one of the areas of the creek,

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and at the time there was a there was a

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down tree there. So you hear this thing walking, it's

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coming closer, it's combing closer. You hear it step over

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the tree, and when it does the step over, it

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sounds like a two legged step over. It goes a

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little bit past, and it settles down in the area

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for a couple hours. You can hear it shuffling in

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the leaves. You can hear it kind of shifting its weight. Now,

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four o'clock in the morning, it does a tree knock.

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Four forty five in the morning, it does a second

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tree knock, and then you can hear it leaving the area,

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shuffling off into the area. And it wasn't like a

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real big blast. I call them power knocks of like

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if you get a baseball bat and just hit a

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tree as hard as you could. It was. It sounded

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like it had either a stick or a club and

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it just like casually just like hit the tree. But

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ever since then, that was pretty much my eye opener.

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Listening to that audio was my eye opener. Because you

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can argue, you know, the footsteps coming through and I

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think it took something like about fifty seconds till when

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you first hear when you first hear it, walking to

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where its settled in, the whole timeframe was about fifty seconds,

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and you can kind of argue that you know, two legged,

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four legged, but if you when you're throwing the tree knocks.

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After that, that was pretty much my eye opener moment.

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And from that point on I was one hundred percent committed.

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And the most important thing about that audio clip is

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that it did not circle back and come back where

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it came from. It kept on going, and so I

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basically just kept on going with doing audio, leaving audio

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recorders up probably about a quarter mile up searching that

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area rually really well it's its root and right knox

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to the creek, and just trying to develop some patterns,

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you know, over the next five years, coming across footprints

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up up in the creek beds, finding tree breaks, finding

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tree structures, and basically just hoping to come across one

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of these creatures one day. But that audio that night,

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between the walk by and adding in the tree knocks,

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that that was my eye opener moment.

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Should we try to place some of that audio right now?

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I'm just going to go through how you sent them

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over to me here. Okay, So I think we first

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we start out with a few tree knocks. So let's

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let's play those.

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I can get. I can give you some times and

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dates on those if if you'd like, absolutely we had

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to go through the list. That first one, that big

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power knock where hits the tree twice and the tree falls.

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That was in June of twenty twenty one. That was

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two fifteen in the morning. That second one, that close

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by one, that was just last October, the October of

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twenty twenty four, and that was four forty five in

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the morning. That was that was pretty close.

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I want to I'm going to play the second one again.

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It just it sounds really interesting.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Do you think that was hit on something? Would or

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or what? Do you think?

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You know? I'm glad you asked that that. There's there's

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tree knocks that I've heard in person before, and there's

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three knocks that have gotten on audio recorded that you

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can definitely tell that it is a stick or branch

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hitting a tree. It's just that would knock tone tone

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to it. And sometimes when that happens, if if you

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ever hit if you ever go out in the woods

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and you find a you know, like a four foot

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or a four three foot branch and hitting it as

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a tree, but the top part might break off. In

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some audio recordings that I've gotten, it's it's definitely a

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tree would hitting a tree, and then sometimes you can

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hear that part kind of break off. Now that recording there,

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I've heard in person before, and I've also got this.

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Same tone way back out in the woods probably I

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think it was in twenty twenty three, but it's that

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same tone, but it does have kind of like a

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metallic kind of kind of undertone to it.

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So really not sure. But but to back it up,

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I've heard that before. I've I've had friends out there

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that has heard that tone before, and I picked up

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that tone also back out in a different, even even

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more remote area.

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So let's continue here. Next step, we've got it, says

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knock in a whistle from twenty two. I'm going to

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try these here. That first one really has a baseball

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bat type quality to it.

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That was back in descent. It was actually December twenty ninth,

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twenty twenty two, and that was caught. I think it

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was nine to fifteen PM, and that was in the

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same area that my first audio recording or the thing

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walked and then did did the two tree knocks, that

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was right in that same area. So yeah, it actually

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sounds like maybe it hit a tree and some dead

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leaves from the tree came down and fell, and then

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that whistle, same recorder, same location, forty five minutes later,

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was was the whistle?

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What's the What type of recorder are you using?

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I used a little Sony. It's nothing really spectacular. I

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think it probably you can probably pick one up for

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about sixty five bucks. I don't I don't have the

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item number. It's just it's just a little rectangle shape

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sony recorder. I usually put it in a if you

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go to the eye doctor, he might give you like

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a cloth sleeve. I just slip slipper rickon sleeve and

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sometimes I run an external microphone. But just yeah, just

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just a little Sony. It's it's really not hard to

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pick up at the store Amazon.

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Interesting. These are These are really good. I'm going to

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continue here. This one's a little bit longer. Maybe some whoops,

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we'll see what we got here. Oh, you're still there. Nope, okay,

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all right, let's call him back real quick. Sure, got hey,

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no problem happens all the time for some reason or another. Okay,

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I'm used to it, all right, So I think these

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this next one is a little bit longer. I just

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want to make sure. Okay, audio is still coming through. Good.

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So let's play this guy here.

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Houck house. What's up?

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What fu?

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Hos f.

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W co.

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Relation this?

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You?

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You didn't?

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So that was really interesting? What did we have going

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on there?

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Okay? That was that was recorded in an area which

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I believe that there was a juvenile land for a

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couple of years, just kind of like hanging out. I

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don't think it's back there now because a lot of

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the activity back in that area is kind of decreased. Well,

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the backstory on that is, back in twenty twenty, we

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found some footprints along that one service road that I

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was talking about. It was it rained the night before

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and now I was out there with about three other

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people came across some footprints. It appeared that it was

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walking along the service road. It had stepped in the

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service road with its right foot, went down to the creek,

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had a slipprint down to the creek and then it

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came back up the same way it had stepped on

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with another part of the service road, whereas you can

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able to see the footprint with its left foot. The

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measurements of the footprint were twelve and a half It

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was five and a half inches wide. So the summer

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of twenty twenty two when that was recorded, it was

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a real dry year here and the creek not a

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lot of water in the creek, so there's a lot

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of exposed creek beds, and over the summer, I was

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noticing that same size footprint up in a couple different

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areas of the creek bed. Not anywhees near the trails,

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and it appeared like it came down off of one

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of the bluffs and it had stepped in going down

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to the creek. So I was going to meet a

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friend of mine. This is going back. I think it

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was in It may be in August. Yeah, August of

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twenty twenty two. We had got a campsite there, and

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we usually do is hit a campsite and then we'll

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head out in the trails, head out in the woods

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with thermal equipment trying to see if we can see anything.

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So I had got there. I think it was about

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five point thirty. I went down to the creek and

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I think I was probably about fifty feet from the

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edge of the creek, and there's there's there's not a

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not a soul around, not a carner parking lot, and

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on the other side of the creek. All of a sudden,

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it sounds like someone took a baseball bat and just

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hits a tree. The tree starts to break. Can hear

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the fibers in the in the tree cracking. The tree

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did not fall. I pretty much went downstream, hooked the

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audio recorder up back up in the woods, came back upstream,

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got my hip waiters on, went down into the into

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the creek to try to find some prince. All when

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this is happening, you can literally hear something back up.

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It's it wasn't close up, but it was back aways,

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just going through the dry leafletter, just pacing back and forth.

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When with a friend of mine got there, I was

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still up, still down into the creek looking for prince.

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He was up on top the probably about an eight

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foot bank, you know, from from the bottom up to

461
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your first level, and he livery said, Johnny, there's something

462
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.240
back there walking. It was just walk pacing back and forth.

463
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:08.160
You can hear the occasional branch break. We left the area.

464
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.079
There was a tree knock thirty minutes after we left

465
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:19.400
the area. That recording there happened at midnight. Now that area,

466
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.359
like I said, I believe was a juvenile was hanging

467
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.279
back out there. Evidence wise, I found a couple of

468
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.440
eight inch footprints back now this is going back twenty

469
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:32.799
twenty and recently last year found some nine inch footprints

470
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.720
down into the creek bed and also at the bottom

471
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:40.759
of like like a mud patch, and possibly as possibly

472
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.359
that could have been the juvenile either mimicking or calling

473
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.599
an owl, because the owl at the end pretty much

474
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.960
answers it. I've been doing this for five years. I've

475
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.680
never heard that before. Absolutely never heard that before. And

476
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.079
that last tree knock that was the same location, the

477
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.599
same reporter, that was at six fifty in the morning.

478
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.720
That was when that tree not happened.

479
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.960
Some wild stuff. Do you ever hear owls out there

480
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.880
that sound like extremely large? Do you ever run into

481
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:14.440
that at all?

482
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.279
Not often? I mean, here are a lot of owls

483
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.839
out there, maybe here one that's deeper tone than others,

484
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.480
But nothing that would really stand out.

485
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.799
Though, gotcha. Well, we've just got a few more sounds

486
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.680
to go through. I'd say, let's go right through them here.

487
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.319
I want to make sure we get them all. So

488
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.079
let's see. Next one's about thirty four seconds. I'm going

489
00:29:39.119 --> 00:30:19.079
to play that here. We've got two different whoop styles

490
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:19.559
in that one.

491
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:24.599
That was That was March of last year, Big.

492
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.519
For Society will be right back after these messages.

493
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.200
And I had two recorders set up. They were about

494
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:47.920
three hundred yards apart. I think it had been about

495
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.680
like ten pm at night. That higher pitch whoop that

496
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.720
kept the higher pitch one that just kept on going.

497
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.119
I think that that was the juvenile. It was either

498
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.359
back up on the blow for back up up up

499
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.680
in the up in the forest. But at the end

500
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:05.960
of that clip, I don't know, I don't know how

501
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.799
how clear it came out, but there was a response

502
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.680
in an adult one whooping back at it. And I

503
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.240
think the next the next audio reporter or next audio

504
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.240
clip I sent you was actually the adult doing a whoop.

505
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:21.440
All right, let's see here.

506
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:25.319
Yeah, that's it, that's it.

507
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:32.519
I do that a few more times here. M Oh,

508
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.599
that's wild. Oh man, if I I've never heard anything

509
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.039
like that out in the woods. Well, I mean I've

510
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.880
heard a roar, scream, but no, no, like like this is.

511
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.920
This is a pretty interesting whoop that you've been capturing here.

512
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.799
And man, I don't know how I would how I

513
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.000
would deal with that. That would be pretty cool. It

514
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:53.960
almost makes you think you're at the zoo for a minute.

515
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.640
Yeah, yeah, Like I said that, I had the recorders

516
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.000
about three hundred yards away, the small one if the

517
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.920
higher pitch woops, it came louder. The one record I

518
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.839
head upstream, the adult woop if you want to call

519
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.759
it that. Both recorders the three hundred yards away picked

520
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.400
it up. So it was either between the two recorders

521
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:18.640
or I could have been back up on one of

522
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.000
the bluffs. But both recorders picked them up. And I

523
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.359
think that last one with the whoop, that was in

524
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.319
a different location. It's probably about a mile and a

525
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:30.960
half away, and that was in November of last year.

526
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.240
Okay, let's see we got another wop here. I'm gonna

527
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:44.440
go ahead and play that. That's fantastic, Holy macrel.

528
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.240
Yes, wow, that's a good one.

529
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.640
That's I mean, have you ever looked at these in audacity?

530
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.000
Or anything. I don't know if you're familiar with how.

531
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:56.039
To do that. I'm kind of like a beginner on

532
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.440
the audacity. Okay, so I kind of played around with

533
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.839
it a little bit, but I for sure have not

534
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:03.799
mastered it. I have not mastered it at all.

535
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:30.400
We're gonna go ahead, do the last one here. Holy shit, Yeah,

536
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:36.079
that is so cool.

537
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.240
Yeah. I used to work midnight shift a lot, and

538
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.480
I would come off midnight shift. I'd go up to

539
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.119
this small parking lot up up where I go. I

540
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:51.759
get up there first thing in the morning, eight o'clock

541
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:53.960
in the morning, and you'd be the only one out there.

542
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.519
And it's a short walk down to the creek, like

543
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.319
I said about, probably about eight ten minute walk, but

544
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.480
three or four, especially in the summertime. Three or four

545
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.960
times you get there, get out of the car, you

546
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.800
pop your trunk open, you'll hear this crisp tree knock

547
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:16.800
coming back in the woods, just as crystal clear as possible. Now,

548
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.320
I was going there for three I was hooked. I

549
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.119
was going there for like three or four days a week.

550
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:28.440
So I had figured maybe they had recognized me from

551
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.840
coming into the area, and maybe they were giving me

552
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.000
like a low knock. But I had talked to this

553
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.559
other big foot researchers got many many years over me,

554
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:43.079
and they suggested that they're doing a knock just to

555
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.880
warn if there's another one in the area that there's

556
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:53.679
a human coming in. That's why they do that single knock. Interesting,

557
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.760
but that audio click there went down to the creek,

558
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:58.320
I didn't have any of my equipment with me. I

559
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.840
was basically just got off for work one up there.

560
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.159
I wanted to go down take a look in the

561
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.559
creek bed just just to see if anything was stepping

562
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.079
out that night. And I didn't even have a tree

563
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.119
knocker with me, and I usually get to one part

564
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.559
of the creek and I might hear a knock come

565
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.079
up on the other side, back up in the woods.

566
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:20.039
So went down there and didn't hear anything. So I

567
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.960
started to go downstream, and as soon as I started

568
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.800
going downstream, there was a knock other side of the creek.

569
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.280
I'd have to see maybe one hundred and fifty maybe

570
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.679
about one hundred yards down it knocked. So the only

571
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:36.320
thing I had to do was I was just doing

572
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:40.639
like the cheek pops, So I was cheek popping. We

573
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.400
kind of passed each other. We were kind of parallel,

574
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.000
did the cheek pop, it knocked back. I went down

575
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.760
to where it was initially it was back up where

576
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.280
I was, and it did it again. Then I came

577
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.440
back up and just sat on the creek bed and

578
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.599
just on hopes. I had a little pair of just

579
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.880
on hopes that maybe I could see something. Maybe. I mean,

580
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.360
it hit is so thick out there in the summertime,

581
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.039
but that one there was the last pop. I was

582
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.000
doing the cheek pop and then you hear the hawks squawking,

583
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.960
and then it knocked back on one of the bigger

584
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.800
trees back up on one of the bluffs there.

585
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.239
Is that the I mean, if that happened to me,

586
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.199
it would feel like there's a communication going back and forth.

587
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:30.239
Have you experienced anything else like that in that area before,

588
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.440
or is that a pretty rare occurrence?

589
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.760
That was probably the best one. The only other thing

590
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.920
that I've experienced is just when you're in the area,

591
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:42.480
you'll hear a tree knock. It could be close up

592
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:44.559
in the woods, it could be other side of the creek,

593
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.360
up on the one of the bluffs. Never had any

594
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.360
kind of other interaction. I thought for sure that day

595
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.239
there that one was going to come up and like

596
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.719
look over and check me out or something. But that

597
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.360
was pretty much just just cheep popping back and forth

598
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.079
with that thing. That was probably the most interesting interaction. Now.

599
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.199
I was there summer of twenty twenty three. We had

600
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:13.000
a big storm comes through the area and got up

601
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.960
there one morning and I wanted to check to see

602
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.480
if there was any footprints up on the trails. So

603
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:22.880
pulled into the parking lot and at the time, it's

604
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:27.079
it's it's a small parking lot, probably fifteen twenty cars

605
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.360
probably probably parked there. You'd be maxed out. But at

606
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.880
the beginning at the front end of the parking lot

607
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.840
there was a state truck and there was also a

608
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.960
guy in a caboda and he had a chainsaw on

609
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.840
the back, so they were kind of like talking back

610
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.639
and forth. So I was under the assumption that he's

611
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.639
probably going to go and do some trailer maintenance after

612
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:49.280
the storm. And the koboda was running, so it's got

613
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:53.760
a loud engine. So I parked back as far as

614
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.599
I could, right against the tree line, started getting my

615
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.920
stuff out, open up my trunk, and here comes a

616
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.440
knock in the woods or back where I was it

617
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.559
was louded. I mean, actually it actually sounded like it

618
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.800
hit a branch first and then it hit the tree.

619
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.320
So I immediately like looked at them. I'm like, do

620
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.119
you guys not hear that or not? But the sound

621
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.199
of the the engine and a koboda was just like drowning,

622
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:19.920
drowning it out to them. I went up to the

623
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.039
tree line. I had my thermal and where that location is.

624
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.960
You're up on a parking lot and it kind of

625
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:30.159
like it's a gradual slope down to the creek. Didn't

626
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.239
see anything on thermal. I went back. I actually and

627
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.280
I yelled, and I yelled into the trees. I said,

628
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:41.880
where are you at? And then I heard a grunt

629
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.039
of a pause and then a low growl, So it

630
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.960
was a grunt pause, low growl. Back went back to

631
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.079
my car, started getting all my gear up and ready

632
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.719
to roll. By that time, the guy in the caboda

633
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.760
was right at the trailhead and going down one of

634
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.239
the trails. And then another tree dock comes back, but

635
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:04.920
this time it was more toward the right and more

636
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:08.239
toward back. More so I'm thinking that there was one

637
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:11.920
out there that morning. The guy in the Koboda's scooped them.

638
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.679
So that that's that's that's a pretty good area in

639
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:16.239
the mornings.

640
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.559
That's wild. Do you have a recording at all of

641
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.079
of the that grunt interaction?

642
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.920
I don't. I don't. I I had popped my trunk

643
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.760
open and was just trying to get off all my

644
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.039
my gear and then I heard the knock, went over

645
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.280
there with my thermal. I didn't even have my record

646
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:35.000
or anything going.

647
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:39.360
So this this reminds me of something I've heard from

648
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:44.039
the Olympic Project guys Chris Spencer. So what they say,

649
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.679
and they've they've said this a few different times, and

650
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.199
I try to keep it in mind when I go

651
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.199
out is a lot of the stuff that they get

652
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.880
is right when they get out of the car is

653
00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:00.559
there's a lot of it's almost like hey, he's they're back,

654
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.119
you know. And so usually they have they'll have something

655
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:06.840
run and like on their head, which would you know,

656
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.400
just to make sure they catch it. But that's wild.

657
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.159
I used to do a call in show and I

658
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.000
would have all sorts of people call in to talk,

659
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:18.760
and I had this old timer callin from North Carolina

660
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.679
wants talking about how he would go out in the

661
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.760
US and have some really interesting interactions. And it was

662
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.880
to the fact where he was even having conversations with

663
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.880
your I don't know what you would call him down there,

664
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.119
if you have, like park rangers or for forestry workers

665
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.920
or whatever they would be called, but it sounded like

666
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.719
from the way that this old timer was talking is

667
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.360
that they are well aware of the different types of

668
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.840
bigfoot that are down there, how they act, what they're like,

669
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.239
and they're just very, very familiar with them. Have you

670
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.719
ever picked up on anything like that or had any

671
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:03.000
conversations yourself?

672
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:09.000
Uh? Yeah, had I'm well, this really wasn't a I

673
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:11.679
met they were doing a control burn up here a

674
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:15.239
couple years ago in twenty twenty three and ran into

675
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.199
want to be a forest somebody that works for the

676
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.880
forest Apartment, But he basically said be careful, and I

677
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:24.239
told him I pretty much knew what's out here. We

678
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.079
had conversations with the park rangers. They said that they

679
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:33.519
cannot say that they exist because it's in it's not

680
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:37.719
a proven species, but they're not Let's see how I

681
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:41.880
want to say this. I think they know, they pretty

682
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.159
much act like they know they but they're there. They

683
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.679
just cannot come out and say it's there because it's

684
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.239
it's not a proven species. And I think it's got

685
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.880
a lot to do with public opinion. I mean, if

686
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.960
they say, you know, big foot's running through the park here,

687
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.079
you know, there's probably not going to be it's probably

688
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:03.440
going to slow down travel in there. But I my

689
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:05.760
f from when I can get I think that they know,

690
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.760
but they just cannot come out and say this is

691
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:09.320
what's going on.

692
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:15.440
Wow. So you've actually had those conversations with people in

693
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:15.920
the park.

694
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.800
They're they're actually very comfortable talking to us about it.

695
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.760
I mean we talk and they listen, and they don't,

696
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:27.719
you know, shoe us off and say, hey, you're you're

697
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.880
crazy to get out of here. They're very they're very

698
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:33.679
open to it conversation wise.

699
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:36.519
That's crazy. I know that's the case with places like

700
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:41.039
Saltfolk State Park up in Ohio, but I was not

701
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:46.320
really aware that it's also the same case down down

702
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.719
there in North Carolina. And are you a type of

703
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:51.320
guy that you have like big footstickers on your truck

704
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.039
or it just it's just naturally Okay, Yeah, yeah, I gotcha.

705
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.480
Yeah, yeah, I got a couple of big footstickers on

706
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.679
my car. Yeah. I think also it depends on where

707
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.320
you go to I mean where I go, they might

708
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.119
be more open to talk about it or not talk

709
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.880
about it, but like accepted. But if you go, you know,

710
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.519
other places in the state, they might be more defensive

711
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:18.239
about it. I guess we got a good group up

712
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:18.599
this way.

713
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.760
That's that's good. Are there a lot of visuals that

714
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:24.840
are reported from that area ever?

715
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.480
Actually, one gentleman, his name is Stephen Barcelo, who runs

716
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:35.280
the Cryptozoology per Normal Museum. He's got some thermal footage

717
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.440
that he's gotten up one I think it was back

718
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:41.039
in fall of I think it was fall of twenty twenty.

719
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:43.519
There was a three day camp out. I was there

720
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.960
for the first For the first day we kind of

721
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.840
like split up into two groups. The group that I

722
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.119
was with kind of took took the high way or

723
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.440
took the high road up the bluffs, and the group

724
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:58.239
that Steven was with they kind of like went around

725
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.920
and stayed down by the creek and they were hearing

726
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.159
some stuff the night that I was there. The second

727
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.280
night I had to go do some I had to

728
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.159
split so I wasn't there and it was a smaller group.

729
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.559
Steve Stephen and the guy that he was with went

730
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:13.480
back down to the area that the the arey and

731
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.199
that they were hearing some stuff on the night before,

732
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.599
and from what happened, a few guys went down to

733
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.480
the bottom of the bluff. They were making a bunch

734
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:26.280
of noise that either know, they're either talking or playing

735
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.840
some some instruments. Uh. The one one guy likes to

736
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.679
go out there and play Native American music. I guess

737
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.239
Steve Stephen hung back and he was the only one

738
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.840
with the thermal at that time, and something had come

739
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.320
up the bluff and was checking out the guys down below.

740
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:48.599
And he's got I think he's got like three pictures

741
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:52.400
of it. One of it is standing between two trees,

742
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.320
is kind of like out in the distance a little bit.

743
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.679
One of them is either either kneeling down in high

744
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.519
brush or in high brush. But he's got a really

745
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:05.639
really good picture of a side profile walking and it's

746
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.159
it's like a million dollar picture. But yeah, that's the

747
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:11.239
pictures that we've gotten out of there.

748
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.360
That's awesome. I met Steven a few years ago. He's

749
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.360
a great guy. I believe it was done in Lexington,

750
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.880
Kentucky at one of the cryptic con conferences Big for

751
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:42.800
Society will be right back after these messages. So I

752
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.519
need to reach out to him. And I've never actually

753
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.400
chatted with him on the show, I think, so we'll

754
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:49.480
have to make that happen.

755
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:52.159
Did he show you his strong picture?

756
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.559
You know, I don't think. I don't think. Man, that's

757
00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:00.199
a good question. It's been a few years. I think

758
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.639
I would remember something like that really well. So I'm

759
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:05.039
going to say I don't think so.

760
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:06.000
But there was.

761
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:07.599
I mean, it was one of those things where it

762
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:11.199
was like twenty people hanging out in the bar and

763
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:15.599
there was everyone from Alex Pettakov to Eli Watson and

764
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.320
Mark Marcel and Seth Breedlove and all these all these

765
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.239
people all around you, Tim Hallery, and I'm gonna I'm

766
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:24.679
going to miss some people. But it was it was

767
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:28.760
one of those fun conversations that is hard to ever

768
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:29.639
have again.

769
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:31.519
Sure true.

770
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:38.559
Let's say a person comes up to you and is like, yes, Johnny,

771
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.800
if I want to go out and I want to

772
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.880
try to have an interaction with a bigfoot in this area,

773
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.159
how do you recommend that I'd do it? What's the

774
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:50.599
stuff that I need to try?

775
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:55.320
Probably I would say do your big foot one on

776
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.239
one first, and kind of either go up on YouTube

777
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.440
and just familiar eyes yourself, what a tree knock sounds like.

778
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.079
You have the difference between a tree knock and a

779
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:07.440
woodpecker and up up this area gunshots. Just know the difference.

780
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.599
Not everything's a bigfoot out there. Do your do your

781
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.400
research on what animals are actually in the area, just

782
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.199
just to have a basic knowledge. And I would say

783
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:19.360
just basically just go out with just like I do,

784
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.920
just an open mind and a level head, and don't

785
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:28.760
be aggressive. I mean, just go out by yourself, nice

786
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.400
and quiet and just to see what happens. Just just

787
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:35.320
just just to just to have good, good intentions. I

788
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:36.079
would recommend.

789
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.320
I think that's extremely important. You brought that up. I'm

790
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.039
glad you did that. There's a few people that might

791
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:44.679
hear that and be like, oh, I think that's crazy,

792
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.440
and I have to say that it's not. And I'm

793
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.320
on board with you, Johnny that it is. A lot

794
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.960
of it has to do with how your intentions are.

795
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:59.639
You have these the things happen in the woods, you're

796
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:06.159
going out to them. Do things ever follow you back

797
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:12.159
to your home after you're done with these expeditions.

798
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:19.000
I've heard I live kind of like in the city limits,

799
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:21.360
so if anything anything follows me back here, I mean,

800
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.280
good luck, man, I'd give them props on that. But

801
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.039
I've I've heard one night back there's there's a good

802
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.440
section of woods that unfortunately it's developed now, but back

803
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.039
I think it was just like a couple of years ago.

804
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.360
I've heard like a really strange, long, long howl back there,

805
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.840
which could be suspicious or not. But that would be

806
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.679
the only time, if if you want to categorize that,

807
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.960
if someone something follows, you know, follows me back home,

808
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.719
I think that would probably be the only time that possible.

809
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:57.079
Gotcha. Last question for you, what what kind of things

810
00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.400
do you bring with you when you go out to

811
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:03.039
these areas to make sure that you are in a

812
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.400
good place and not gonna get messed up out there.

813
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:11.320
Personal protection. I usually carry a pistol with me everywhere

814
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.199
I go. Equipment wise, thermal equipment, thermal scopes you can

815
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.159
use that daytime or night time. That's basically your eyes

816
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:23.760
out there. Other clipping, I use audio recorders. We carry

817
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.000
a police issued body cans. These things are great. I

818
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.239
mean you can clip it rate up on your chest rig,

819
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.239
internal battery, internal memory. On a full charge, it'd probably

820
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.320
record for about fourteen hours. It's got IR it's got audio.

821
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:42.119
So that's if anything happens and you're in a try

822
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:43.920
to pull your cell phone or try to get things

823
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.679
going this you just leave it running and boom, you

824
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:47.079
got it.

825
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:49.599
Where do you pick up something like that?

826
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.840
So I'll go right up on Amazon? Yeah, Amazon, I

827
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.039
believe though. The ones that I use is a patrol

828
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.280
Master body can I got. I got a few of them,

829
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:00.719
and you don't want They're good for it too. I

830
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.599
mean it fits right in the palm of your hand.

831
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:06.760
They're small. So if you think that you gets some

832
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.199
activity in a daytime, especially in a daytime because night

833
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.280
you know, it has two noticeable IR lights that come

834
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.960
out and it's probably only going to show maybe like

835
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.760
about twenty five feet. So but in the daytime, if

836
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.440
you think you got some activity, stick it up in

837
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:26.519
a tree. It's it's really really stealth, really discreet, wide

838
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:30.639
angle lens and you can really monitor a good area

839
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.280
if you think that something's like coming through, stepping in

840
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:34.360
the creek or anything like that.

841
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.000
It picks up pretty good audio, yes, yeah, real good audio.

842
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:42.000
I'm going to have to check that out. That's very

843
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.320
that's an interesting idea. I hadn't thought about that, but

844
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.239
it makes it makes total sense. It's kind of like,

845
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.320
I guess having a GoPro on you, but maybe a

846
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.719
little less intrusive. So I'm going to check that out.

847
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.400
Less intrusive and battery life is phenomenon on these things.

848
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:03.199
Okay, okay, well, thanks for the recommendation. Definitely definitely checked

849
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:07.159
that out. Johnny. It's been just a real fun chat

850
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.840
with you today, and you taught me a lot and

851
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:15.280
we played some fun audio, heard some good accounts. I

852
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:16.920
just want to say thank you for coming on the

853
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:17.639
show man.

854
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.400
Appreciate you having me on. If you got a few

855
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.079
more minutes, I can tell you about the one that

856
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:24.880
I seen back a couple of years ago.

857
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.760
Yeah, totally, let's do it, man.

858
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.480
So yeah, April fourteenth of twenty twenty three, up to

859
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:41.400
that point, out there, finding footprints, finding tree breaks, getting

860
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:44.599
all the stuff on audio recorder, and everything is kind

861
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.960
of pointing in the direction that it's a bigfoot. It's

862
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.960
a family big foot that are out there. And I

863
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:55.079
was two thirty in the afternoon. It was cloudy, it

864
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.400
was a two lane country road traveled one hundred times

865
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:02.920
to one side. It's a left hand side. It's a

866
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:05.760
short step up and goes into the woods. On the

867
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.119
other side of the road, it's the woods are back,

868
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:13.239
probably about twenty feet. I was headed down the straight

869
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.880
part of the road doing fifty miles an hour, and

870
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.280
I was going to come up on a slight incline

871
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:21.119
and there was a truck on a trailer that was

872
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:23.119
coming down the hill. So I was headed toward the hill.

873
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.239
The truck and trailer was coming down the hill and

874
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:28.519
it was like one of those fifth wheel hookups that

875
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.480
probably one of those empty up around here. They call

876
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.800
them Big tax sets, that's the brand name. And looked

877
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.440
on the right hand side, and there's something standing there.

878
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:43.079
It's between the road and the tree line. And the

879
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.679
most important part of the story is that the creature.

880
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:50.440
I'm looking at his left hand side, so I'm watching

881
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.760
its left profile the whole time. Its left arm and

882
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:59.320
its head was much much darker than the color of

883
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.119
the hair and its it was either the either a

884
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:04.679
dark brown or it was a black. The color of

885
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:06.679
the hair and its body was like a light tan.

886
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:12.199
It was like lighter than a deer, so I was

887
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:14.880
hit the straight part. I looked up and seeing the

888
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.519
truck and the trailer coming down, this thing was standing

889
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.239
right hand side. It was when I first seen it.

890
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.599
It was between the truck and the trailer. So right

891
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:28.000
after that fifth wheel hitch, the truck had passed its location.

892
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:30.599
And what this thing did was it swayed back and

893
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.440
it started walking up and on the road, across the road,

894
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.519
and the first thing that stood out was this thing

895
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.639
was tall. I mean ever though that the truck and

896
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.599
the trailer was on its downslope, it was a lot

897
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:50.119
taller than the trailer and got into the first lane,

898
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.119
and right in the middle of the of the first lane,

899
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.119
I can start making out the side of its head,

900
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:59.480
the shape of its head. By the time it got

901
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.039
into where the lines go down the road and into

902
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:05.199
the left hand lane, I pretty much had like a

903
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.960
full unobstructed view of this thing, just looking right up

904
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.679
at it, and I can describe it as we kind

905
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.360
of did like a measurement out there a few days later.

906
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.480
It was between seven and a half and eight foot tall.

907
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.880
Like I said, I was looking at its left profile

908
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:27.239
the whole time. Super long arms. The arms actually you

909
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.719
look like it went down to where it's knees should

910
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.719
be wide arms. I mean, at the distance where I

911
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:35.840
first seen it, the arms looked about as wide as

912
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:38.840
a telephone pole. It didn't sway its arms at all

913
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.920
when it was walking across the road. It had its

914
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.440
arm down to its side the whole time it's back.

915
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.239
Its back was like perfectly straight. But the head on

916
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:53.079
this thing was huge. I'd kind of like described it

917
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:54.760
as like a shape of a football. It was. It

918
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:57.320
was peaked on top and was peeked down at the bottom.

919
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.960
It was now sitting on on its shoulders like a

920
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:05.519
person would would have it. It was kind of it

921
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:08.719
was it was front and down a little bit, almost

922
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:12.079
like if you see these big bodybuilders and the World

923
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:17.360
Man competition and they had these really developed traps and

924
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:21.159
neck muscles. It's what kind of it appeared to be

925
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:25.159
there that possibly could be it. But its head was

926
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:27.400
slanted a little bit. It looked like the bottom of

927
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:29.800
wards chin woods. It was actually like resting up on

928
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:35.159
its upper chest. And the closer I got the it's

929
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.880
hard to describe. It's if you're picturing like a football,

930
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:41.800
the outer part of the football. The head was was

931
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:43.679
it was a darker color. Butt right up in the

932
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.880
center on the outside was a lighter color, so that

933
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.880
that might have been where the face was. But I

934
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.760
was saying, walked across the road. It did not make

935
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.960
any ebobbing motions. It went across as smooth as silk.

936
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:00.719
I never seen anything like that before, and did a

937
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:02.800
little little step up on the other side of the road.

938
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.039
It's probably about like a three foot two foot step up.

939
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.559
It turned just slightly away from me, and I could

940
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:12.000
see where its right shoulder blade was, and it could

941
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.440
see the color of the hair color on its back,

942
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.639
and it went up into the into the woods. But yeah,

943
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:20.599
that was That was April fourteenth or twenty twenty three,

944
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.800
And yeah, these things exist. I went from a believer

945
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.119
to a nowhere in seven seconds.

946
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:32.480
Yeah, I mean that that would be. I mean that

947
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:35.480
that's it from from here on out. I mean, there's

948
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:42.280
no absolute question. My goodness, wow, cool. Do you feel

949
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.679
like what you saw that day was something that was

950
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.440
more ape like or human like or just something completely different?

951
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.239
You know, looking looking at its side, other than you know,

952
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:57.519
having arms and a chest and legs and all that,

953
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:03.440
it kind of look, let's see, almost like the stature

954
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:06.400
of a gorilla, because a gorilla has as a really

955
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:10.199
elongated head and just like a strong build. But if

956
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:11.840
you watch a gorilla, like if they kind of like

957
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:14.760
wobble a little bit, this thing walked across like like

958
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:18.280
no motion at all, just just across. So it was

959
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:21.639
kind of like like a stature, kind of like a

960
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:24.360
strong stature of like a gorilla would have. What it

961
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:26.880
was different though, And like I said, we went back

962
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.199
and measured it. It was we had it been between

963
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.000
seven and a half and eight foot tall and what

964
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:33.719
back in I don't know if it came out of

965
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.119
the woods. This this is the this is the strange part.

966
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:37.519
I don't know if it came out of the woods

967
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.440
or if it was squatting down when this the guy

968
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.199
with the with the truck and the trailer was coming

969
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.840
down and it just had stood up just before I

970
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.599
seen it. But I went back in the woods where

971
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:51.920
if it came out of, and there was a bunch

972
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:53.599
of pine trees that were kind of like stacked in

973
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:56.639
kind of like a weird kind of configuration. There's also

974
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.800
a tree break back there. And I also put a

975
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.039
recorder up in the in the area where it went

976
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:04.519
into elected there for a couple of days, and it

977
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:06.519
got got a couple of good tree knocks back there.

978
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:08.119
I think a lot of this one was probably about

979
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.519
two o'clock in the morning, maybe ten o'clock at night,

980
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:14.000
but it was It was was not what I had

981
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.760
expected to see, because you kind of mentally prepared just

982
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.079
in case something you're run into something you don't want

983
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:23.599
to be like a total total shock to your system,

984
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:25.920
so you mentally prepare like every time you go out there.

985
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:30.320
And I had thought maybe it was going to be

986
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:32.920
looking more like the like the Petty film, or maybe

987
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:38.039
even like a methander of the Fander Hall. And it

988
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.159
looked it definitely did not look human. It just looked

989
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:44.840
more like like like a monster. That's the only it's

990
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:46.559
the only term like I can use it. Just it

991
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:47.760
looked very creaturish.

992
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:52.800
Is there a certain thing about it that made you

993
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:55.960
think that you were looking at something that was like

994
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:56.519
a monster?

995
00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:02.119
I was. I was zeroed in on its arm and

996
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.639
its head, but the whole time, not from the time

997
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.800
it walked across for sure, because if it would have

998
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:12.280
ran across the road, it probably would have cleared it

999
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:14.960
in just a couple of seconds. But it appeared to

1000
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:19.320
have taken its time, and I think the whole time

1001
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.239
that it took it it may have been about seven

1002
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:25.559
seconds or so. Well, Yeah, I was zeroed in on

1003
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:31.400
the upper upper body of it. It's it's it's head, yeah,

1004
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:35.000
I mean just just just the shape of its head

1005
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:39.400
and how it was positioned on its body was was

1006
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:44.000
very monstrous. I mean, I've never seen anything like that before.

1007
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:50.400
What you saw that day, is it something like if

1008
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:56.559
M It's a really interesting question. What what you experienced,

1009
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.599
what you saw, Did it feel like it was something

1010
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:07.599
that could be worked with or if there were a

1011
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:11.199
lot of them, we would perhaps be in trouble.

1012
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:19.079
Well, from my experiences out there, other than that that

1013
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:22.039
grunt and that grawl that one day, and I mean

1014
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.599
the yell and the hitting the trees, And I've been

1015
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:27.239
out there a lot, and when I go out there,

1016
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.960
I'm usually out there ninety percent of the times by myself,

1017
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.719
out in the woods, out in the creek beds, different

1018
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.119
times of the year, different times of the day. Never

1019
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:41.719
had anything aggressively come at me. And from other stories

1020
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:45.960
I've heard with campers that that camp there, and they've

1021
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:48.519
had they believe that they've had something come in their

1022
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:51.400
camp or run through their camp. It's it's more in

1023
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:55.119
this area here, it's more curious. I think that if

1024
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.280
you encountered this thing and it had a bad day,

1025
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.159
or if you got close enough to it that it

1026
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.360
got pissed off, they're probably I mean, they probably tear

1027
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.639
it apart. But I think, just just my personal opinion,

1028
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:10.800
the clan or the group up there are more curious.

1029
01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:15.800
And oh plus you also got to think too. I mean,

1030
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.840
the people that go to a state park, they're they're

1031
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:23.320
pretty they're pretty predictable. I mean, no one's going there

1032
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:27.199
in there hunting, no one's going there with the vicious intent.

1033
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.719
They're pretty much keeping to the to the trails. They're

1034
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:32.880
in at a certain time, they're out at a certain time.

1035
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:35.079
They're pretty you know, I would think they're pretty much

1036
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.800
a mellow group. And if anybody's there overnight, they're pretty

1037
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:45.880
much contained to the campground area. So I'm just assuming

1038
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.800
that maybe they're used to that mellowness of the of

1039
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:56.320
the people that go there. And you know, wild animal too,

1040
01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:02.320
I mean, it could be just animal mentality. If you

1041
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.440
get close enough to it, it might turn on you.

1042
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:11.320
Extremely interesting to think about Were there any other things

1043
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:14.360
that you wanted to make sure that you shared before

1044
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:15.599
the end of our time today.

1045
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.960
No, No, I'm really appreciated that you invited me on

1046
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.159
the show. I had a great time. And just to

1047
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.840
keep a level head and an open mind when you're

1048
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:28.519
out there and maybe you'll run into one.

1049
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:33.960
Johnny, is there a way people can reach out to you?

1050
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:38.880
Or you a researcher that kind of stays undercover in

1051
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:42.119
a way I used to?

1052
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:44.440
I'm up on Facebook? Can you find me up on Facebook?

1053
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.360
Johnny Tucker on Facebook? And if anybody like to message

1054
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:49.159
me there, message me in private. You can do it there.

1055
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:52.760
Knee doc Bigfoot at gmail if you want to send

1056
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.800
me a private email, and on my website is meee

1057
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:58.800
doc bigfoot dot com. She'd like to pop in every

1058
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:00.920
now and again and see too kind of interesting things

1059
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.639
I find. But yeah, I'm up on Facebook. I'm out

1060
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.079
in the woods and investigating and trying to find stuff

1061
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:09.920
as much as I could. It's kind of like a

1062
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:10.639
passion for me.

1063
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:16.400
That's great, and I would, you know, recommend if people

1064
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:19.960
know things about the area that he's been talking about,

1065
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.360
feel free to reach out to Johnny. You can always

1066
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.320
reach out to me as well, but definitely reach out

1067
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:26.840
to the people that are in that area that can

1068
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.679
make good use of that information. But Johnny, thanks so

1069
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:32.119
much for coming on the show today.

1070
01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:35.360
Jeremiah, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much, and

1071
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:36.440
I will keep in touch.

1072
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:40.199
Just want to take a few minutes to say thank

1073
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.840
you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1074
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.519
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1075
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1081
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:11.119
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1082
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:15.199
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1083
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:19.119
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1084
01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:24.719
Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow Oregon,

1085
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:30.079
McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

1086
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.840
the north part if you get what I mean. I'll

1087
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:37.239
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