Investigating New Zealand’s Forbidden Forests Uncovers Hair-Raising Bigfoot Encounters!

0:00 You're listening to Bigfa Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, pick the Society. You've got the privilege of talking to mister Mark Koppel today. Mark is all the way over there in New Zealand. He is a I guess you could say a paranormal investigator, but also a lot of his research has kind of gone over into the Bigfoot related field as well. So some really interesting things to talk about today. Mark, Welcome to the show. How are you, friend?

0:56 Yeah? Pretty good, pretty hero rising experience tonight. I almost didn't make it to the interview this morning, so I'm glad to be here. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about that for a minute, because you were just telling me that off air, and and literally, I mean there's you really should not be here what you just experienced it. It was pretty intense. Yeah, I went to my typical area where I go in the wild. Now, cell phone doesn't doesn't work, you know, in certain parts, it just doesn't work. And so unless you've got a GPS beacon to you know, signal satellite to get help, you're going to have to rescue yourself.

1:39 I fortunately, I had a knife on me. I was actually going across a zip line that I made across the creek go into this you know remote It was like kind of like a moat this creek. So you know, I've set up a zip line to go over about about three four months ago. I went there yesterday and I had this weird feeling like I don't feel good about this, But you know, I was on a time crunch, was trying to get across there before nightfall, and I made a big mistake. There was too much slack in the rope. Plus I had a big pack on. So I went onto this rope and then I got stuck in the middle, and then I was getting pulled downwards because gravity. My pack's really heavy. I was getting pulled downwards and I couldn't move myself down. Plus I've got back issues, which means that my lower back was kind of giving out, and I was almost passing out, and I was hung up there by myself. So the only way I could get free, I had this thought. I had a knife in my vest. I had to pull my knife and try to swing myself into a small tree that was close by. Otherwise would have dropped about twenty plus feet. So I quickly cut through this rope that was about two thousand kilogram large strength on it.

3:01 So I had to cut through, and I fell into this tree, fortunately, this other tree, fortunately, and so I kind of ended up really bad. Oh my goodness, Mark here that it is extremely lucky, uh that you were able to get through that really with no injury. It seems. Yeah, just just pretty spoke, that's all, you know, just uh uh, just realized, got to be really careful out there. I preferably have someone with you when. When you go out in these areas. You know, we we may I know We're gonna have to start, uh foundationally for myself because I'll say, hey, a lot of the people listening are from the US when we think of New Zealand, we're thinking of like Lord of the Rings films, like that's what we know about New Zealand.

3:51 So when you go out, when you're going out to this area where you almost had this thing happened yesterday, how remote were you Well. I mean, it wasn't too far from society, but it wasn't like you know, you know, being out in the middle of the mountains, in the middle of I mean, it was a remote area, but it wasn't so far. But my celphone didn't work, so even if I tried to use it, it wouldn't have worked where I was. So I go, this is my research area number two, which I go to. We've had rock stride next to me, sometimes UFOs going over the forest canopy moving very fast.

4:34 A lot of weird stuff has happened, recording very strange voices out there. I've been really wanting answers to what I've experienced in the past. Well, that's that's really interesting. So it sounds like what I'm picking up is that in New Zealand as well, you have areas of high strangeness, even kind of similar to how we have them in the US. And certain areas might come up later on in the interview especially, but yeah, things thrown at you. That sounds familiar. That sounds like something we do deal with over here, where you know, researchers or witnesses will be out in certain areas and they'll have rocks thrown at them, usually in bigfoot related areas. So are you seeing that you guys also have bigfoot over there in New Zealand as well.

5:30 Yeah, tomorrow's shocking discovery. I spent many years in America coming back to New Zealand with stuff happened back here. Now there's a connected that's gonna walk a rouge which you probably would have witness followed me around out now New Zealand. Now, I had no idea growing up here that there was legends from the Mallori people who landed here in New Zealand about eight hundred years ago. They had legends of these hairy giants that were incredibly strong. They are terrified of. There were areas of where they would not go, you know, cross creeks, there certain mountainous areas that would avoid because of according to some of the legends. Now they didn't they didn't have, you know, the ability to write they just passed everything on through carving and song and dance and old traditions. But many of the legends that they talked about in these stories were quite reflective of Sasquatch.

6:36 Well, I mean that is so eye opening for myself. You know, we were fortunate enough to have an interview that was all about Australia a few weeks ago, and that is eye opening as well. But to hear that similar things are happening in New Zealand is amazing. Is there a name that we should be calling it for New Zealand as opposed to big or Sasquatsch. Well, the data see it would call them the moy hoos, the rapper wise, the matos, the male roles. There's several names, just like you know around the world, there's hundreds of not thousands of names or these these hairy giants found across the globe. I really shocked to discover the legends here and the other weird stuff that was going on.

7:30 So I will a moyos correct? Yes? Okay, So when you get these reports of my moyhos in New Zealand, have you found that they tend to be more towards having paranormal aspects along with them, or are they more where it seems like there's like maybe some undiscovered animal out there, where people are seeing some kind of primate. Well, there seems to be a bit of both. I mean, there's a lot of what's considered something physically biologically here.

8:10 People see a physical creature sometimes described with reddish eyes, that have very powerful lungs that let out growls, incredibly strong, incredibly intelligent, outperform us in every way, particularly out there in the wild, in these remote areas. You know, these the descriptions often fit descriptions of like the yahwees as a Susquatch or the armistices. These descriptions fit almost identically descriptions of the other book puts in other places.

8:50 Gotcha, I was surprised that, you know, when we heard from Australia, there's multiple different types of Yawi's and they look differently. And over here in America we also have, you know, kind of different types of regional bigfoot. I think some of them maybe have a more Neanderthal look, some of them have maybe a more Orangutan look. Have you found that over there in New Zealand in different parts of the country, there are different looks to these, mohos Well. I did hear from a man that worked in the Waypu forest in Northland, a very old forest. A man that worked for the Department of Conservation. It was actually on a job with a worker fellow worker in this you know, off maintaining some sort of track. Now, he described something that was very hairy, but slender, slender, not not bulky like the Paddy description that you know, the famous Gimblin footage. You know, this was something center. Now.

10:06 They are described as being from about six foot tall up to around twelve feet tall. There are various descriptions, however, they seem to be kind of general, you know, about the same very hairy. I don't quite hear so much about really small ones or dog men. We only got one report of dog men here down towards Wellington Way. But yeah, mostly you know, described as something that's very hairy, reddish to black black fur. My my feeling is from my experiences myself, is that they are a type of people who are cutely aware of us. They're a cutely aware and what cameras are, what what what we do?

10:59 Even now? Tensions okay, so extremely interesting when you say they seem to be aware of cameras, that reminds me of how a lot of individuals over here we will think that they are maybe even aware of like IR in game cameras. Is that kind of what you're referring to. Yes, definitely, and I'll use them for a cameras quite a bit, particularly not time. Gotcha? Have there been so we mentioned, you know, the Patterson Gimlin footage a few a minute or so ago.

11:41 Have there been any successful photographs or videos captured in New Zealand as of yet? Not so much bookfoot wise. However, I did put out a documentary. This one took me ten years to mike. Now, towards ended my documentary, I tacked somebody into this what I call researchery number one. I'm very hard to reach area. It's a MACHETI only kind of area where weird stuff had happened. Now in when I was actually taking a series of photos where weird stuff had been happening, and one are my shots up on this very steep, slippery slope.

12:23 There's something up there that has a chronical head, typical bigfoot shape. And I tried I went back to actually try to debunk. It actually took my drone there and I flew up the slope. Weeks later, or was it months later, I went back to try to recreate that shot. I couldn't. Then I actually climbed down the slight very carefully. I have slept out in that area too, But this is why I was beginning those footprints. All the weird stuff was going on there, and I was trying to forget what the heck was going on in the early days. But I so I suspect that I may have got one in one of my photographs.

13:06 Oh absolutely, For there'll be a lot of people listening to this audio only, and I'll have links in the show notes as well. But so the name of your documentary is it? Is it the X rated Files? Yes? From skin Walker? Yeah? Perfect, just be awesome, very good. You mentioned that there seems to be an intelligence, and then I think you mentioned as well knowing intention, which that those can lead to very interesting conversations over here. Can you think of any times when there's been intelligence shown or or the Moyjos have been able to to a sense what a person's intention is as they go out into the area.

14:07 Well, I can't really say that for other people other than my own experiences myself. I'll give you an example. Now this is actually in the documentary. I did gifting, like what some people do. Sometimes I'll give them fruit and stuff in a certain area. Now, I went back one time. I was absolutely shocked to find a dead wild pig laid right next to where I do gifting, freshly killed, I still glassy, what appears to be an incision on the hind of its back, bloodless incision. Sitting there, freshly killed. It looked like they had gifted me. There's other weird stuff that happened like I. I would complain and say, oh, it doesn't look like they were here today.

15:04 Did something would throw a rock and hit my boots, or or because it's so wet here it rains all the time, it's very hard to find a dry stick. Sometimes I'll do stupid things like bang a tree with a stick, but it's hard to find a dry stick. Well, one time, I said, oh, I wish, I wish I could find you a good stick to bang a tree. I go back there another time, and then there's this this really good dry stick just laid up against the fence, just like deliberately placed there stuff like that. That is always extremely interesting, man, that finding that pig there.

15:44 That sounds extremely close to a lot of things we deal out out here with, like almost cattle cattle mutilations where you know there's there's lack of blood. That's very strange to hear that in other country as well. Have you ever tried going out to one of your areas and being like, hey, if there's talking directly to the area that you're in, and have you had any responses that way? Oh? Yes, okay, and quite shockingly, when I say shocking, going into the area, very hard to get into, very slippery.

16:27 I sometimes I'll do a call to them, like a whoop kind of call. Well, what happened is they actually whooped back to me. They pull on a tree branch and then something with a very deep set of lungs a grown like a grown response. I wore a GoPro camera plus a separate In the early days of GoPros, the sound recording was crap, but visuals the sound, So I'll do wear a separate body mic and I upgraded my MIC's But anyway, so whatever it was pulled back on a branch and groaned. Now if you Listen carefully to the footage the audio on that you can hear this grown responding to me. This is where I'm finding these footprints. Strange structures. I found. They also like to mimic.

17:20 They like to mimic human language, and I recorded it. Now this is snowboard in recent years. This is snowboard. I'm now recording howling, strange howling that doesn't sound like anything that I can identify. I had a wildlife professional, a park ranger, local park ranger who listened to that, and he hears something similar in the Commandal Ranges on the Commental Peninsula in the North Island East coast heard this howling. He went there with some workmates to go do curry tree seat harvesting that means climbing up these very high trees using ropes. Anyway, he said that he heard these this howling out there that he couldn't explain that it wasn't like anything I've heard, almost like a like a siren, but without without the sound going down like going and I've heard that. I recorded some hours of whatever's going on, had stones drawn me along with these strange sounds. Look, one time I heard a digitally do I mean mike camera picked up the sound of a digitallydo what the sound of a digitallydo doing out in the push in an area where there's no public tracks, in a very well dangerous area where I nearly died yesterday, in a very dangerous area to go to some kind of highly intelligent interaction going on that as it's something

18:50 coming from another dimension. Whatever's going on is acutely aware of us and our reasons for being out there. Now, they don't like a lot of people. Now, I recorded a number of messages I use very powerful I use mics similar to this. This is one of my many parabot mics. Now, what separates me from a lot of researchers is I do. I use high powered mics, and it's really paid off. I've been able to record very strange messages, something with very big lungs out there, and you could hear some of these samples in some of my videos on my channel.

19:31 So that sounds so you're almost capturing kind of like EVPs on the paranormal side. Is that kind of what you're referring to when you're capturing language? Both I'm getting both, I'm getting stuff I'm hearing disembodied voices and also EVP related that your ears don't hear at the time, but get picked up. Now, my MIC's the power the professional mics. I use a shielded from EMF and a ref electro bank medic frequency and also radio frequency. There shielded, it ain't picking up radio, it's picking up something. Sometimes they say things that are really strange.

20:14 One of the messages I picked up out there says humans kill them and they give themselves a name. Sometimes I'll call my name something worth a very big set of lungs. It don't Some of these voices don't sound like us nor wildlife. It is really shocking stuff, folks. It's I'm really glad that I'm recording good audio because if I hadn't, I wouldn't know. You know, at least when you record something, you can go over it and perhaps see if you can debunk it. For something, was it a hiker or you know, was it something that was explainable? But many times the stuff that I record just you can't explain it, not in prosaic terms.

21:02 Wow, that's that's very shocking. The when you hear your name called, so are you hearing this with your own ears? In real time or is it it's recorded and you hear it later. Both. Sometimes I'll actually hear I won't. I'll have a hard time understanding what they're saying, but my my MIC's will pick them up what they're saying. And it's really shocking when it's your own name. And sometimes they say things that are not permitted on broadcast. One of the voices said, we're not going to kill you, Mark, You're coming out. Humans kill as in my people are very strange.

21:48 Some of the voices of a kind of birdlike. Some are really like you, you imagine a bigfoot speaking. Some of them are very deep voices. Some of them have a quality that is beyond on the dynamics of human speech, very powerful that can echo. The voices can echo in the mountains, very very powerful voices, elongated the vocal ranges. Just to me is amazing. Can you There was the first phrase you said, where it We're not going to kill you Mark, But and then there was something else and I didn't quite catch it. One of the voices I record out this is you come and out. So I also do instrumental transcommunication, which separates me from just about everybody that does this kind of thing, at least you know with Sasquat's research. I use electronics using Furuday radio blocking matire around my radios.

22:47 I have a theory that and something very strange happened that's connected to what I'm talking about right now. But anyway, I use Ferde radio blocking material to block you know, radio signals. I don't want radios. I suspect that some of these beings can use our ele chronics to get messages through. Now. The reason why I say this is some two years after returning from well after going to Skinwalker Ranch where I had my first sasquatch encounter back in twenty thirteen. In twenty fifteen, after traveling halfway across the world, I was doing a paranormal investigation in Auckland, City of all places. I'm using a sandy in packed radio with this material around it. A very strange voice comes through. It says something about accepting the bigfoot people big people, and then it repeats. Now at the time I couldn't quite understand what it was saying. It's something, and it kept repeating, and it was like nothing you would hear on the radio, completely opposite, very hard to explain.

24:01 And what I suspected. I got followed from America all the way to the South Pacific where where this was started happening in the wild. And I was like, now when stuff happened to me in America. Now, I've had a very strange life, a number of very strange things. I study the woo to the boo, to the food. So I study. You know, I've got a fourteen style background. So I and my family got basically chased out of a house by politicist from Ola in the eighties. So I have become very interested. I've come across some very scary things in my life, some entities that can do physical harm. There is stuff now you mentioned EVPs. Yes, there's stuff that can come across from other dimensions. Now my question is is well, the stuff that seems to be quite physical, does it have the ability to cross dimensions?

25:00 Is it it's a dimensional? Does it have the ability to come through like like we might describe a ghost. And now the reason why I say this is when I was going to my area, one of my first areas that I went to when I came back to New Zone back in twenty fifteen, I was going walking along this this world track I was actually looking in an old gold historical area, overgrown, lots of very native bush around there. I heard something walking through the bush, bipedal, and I was taking a leak, and I was like, shouldn't be anybody out here. I hear this walking and I was like, oh, I'm going to be caught with my zip down, you know. I was like, oh my, you know, well, something walks right up to me. I could not see it. It was right on the edge of this ravine. So I was like, what the is it?

25:57 A ghost? Is it? You know? I've had many ghosts experiences. I've seen all apparitions, sometimes with other people. Now I had this strange feeling that I had to go into this ravine and I didn't want it because I knew it was really dangerous getting in there. It's a machete only area. So I went down there. That's when I started finding footprints similar to this. Now, this is one of the small casts that I am so so anyway, but some of them were a lot bigger. Now, I noticed as we talked about the sound aspect, so I find these footprints. Now, it rains a lot here. There's a lot of dead fall on the top soil. So to find prince is very hard. So you have to be in the right area. You had to be in like a creek area where there's the mud the soft ground is exposed. Where I've found these footprints. I found the strange X structures with I'll shoved two broken sticks into a creek. And it's in area. Now some people might say, oh, it's gonna be kids. You know, it's gonna be kid. Well this area as now is it hard to get to? There's cuddy grass, there's BlackBerry. Uh, there's prickles. You could rip your feet up very easily out there. Who is walking around in an area now western is we have soft feet, you know. But anyway,

27:28 so I'd find these strange structures and I'm like, I'm kind of forget what that And it seemed like something would mimic me out there as well, or throw stuff, and that horrible weird feeling of being washed well when you in the middle of nowhere but just getting watched by something. And I needed answers, and I slowly just put pieces of the dig saw together, and I realized that the MARII talked about these giants and that they were deathly afraid of in the wild. They even name some of the areas after them. The a poke mot Role, which means the hells of the Hairyman, a place in the South Island of New Zealand. You know we talked about, you know, in New Zealand, the place of the Lord of the Rings. Well, you know that's you know, that's fantasy.

28:18 But how are There's other things that are going on that ain't quite so much fiction. There's something else going on and includes wildlife professionals, plat rangers, people with a serious scientific background. Now, how did they get here? This is one of the questions that people ask me is Okay, you're all the way in the south with the how on earth did they get there? Well, that's a really valid question. Well, now, while I was making this documentary, I went to the Mount moyhow which is actually one of the locations these giants are supposed to be. I went there to shoot b roll of this wild mountain.

28:59 Now this is my theory. When I was there to shoot with my DSL, I was just doing handheld footage. I got to see a giant silver sphere right by the mountain I locked. I was like, that's a that's a wild mountain. I mean that shouldn't be up there. There's nothing manufactured up there that shouldn't be up there. Is it a reflection? This scene faded right out in front of my eyes. I couldn't get my bloody camera fast enough to get it. It was like one of those situations, like all I can do is talk about. However, when I did further footage, I picked up these smallest sources moving like Mark III, very fast. One of them does a media flip. Now. I fly drones too, these wind drones moving far too fast. If you blink, you miss them.

29:51 They're moving that quick. However, I suspect the same mountain as a mountain of what they call the fairy people and the giants, the pat pere and the muijos. Well, I suspect that they were placed here the theory of pam spermia, that just like Westerners when they first came down here to New Zealand, they bought with them possums from Australia, non native creatures got over here. I suspect that either something placed them here unnaturally or in some other way. But I suspected that you know this, We also talked about the Yawi right in Australia. You know, Australia's big Foot, which is you know, you know, it's about a two hour flight across the Tasman Sea to Australia from here, So we are very isolated. So I suspect that that they were placed here. Wow, that's according to what I saw.

30:55 So so very interesting. It just opens your eyes. One quick question I wanted to ask before we consine. So there are no there are no primates in New Zealand or any creatures that would even come close to being this at all. Right, we have no bears, we have no monkeys. There was a report, a cover story, I call it nineteen twenty four according to Taranaki Daily News. I believe was in nineteen fifty two. There was a story about two hunters that same mountain. I was just telling you about where I saw. That's fair, that famous mountain. Two hunters reported seeing a giant on this mountain. And so anyway, there was a cover story saying that, oh, there was a gorilla mascot that escaped a ship off the Bay of Yarro there not far away from there of a escape rilla mascot. Now, you know, thinking about gorillas. Grillas, they can't swim. Now, it would be more likely that a baboon could have escaped now. Also another thing about gorillas, if we want to talk about, you know, chimps and stuff like that, their feet are not like our feet.

32:20 Their feet have opposing digits. They're very, very good at climbing. Basically, they have four sets of hands. They can climb up trees. Now, the prints that have found here and sometimes other people find Prince giant footprints here. Rex Gilroy, who just recently passed away cryptosologis from Australia author. He also reported coming over here I think it was in the mid nineteen nineties, found giant footprints fossilied footprints here in the Crown a Happy Gorge area. There have been other people who have come across giant footprints. I've heard from others who found giant footprints here. Their foot prints don't look like gorilla footprints.

33:03 They do not look like chimp footprints. They look like a larger version of ours, except some of them are really large. Now, one of the footprints that I measured was about thirty seven centimeters. Sorry, I forget what that is in inches of hand polities to those in America, so that over time there's been reports. Now, you know, so if some people try to basically wash away people's sightings by saying, oh, what was escaped gorilla? Now, Gorilla's only lived for about thirty to forty years, So that siding back in nineteen fifty two, Well, there were sightings way before that and also after that. Now, if you type in moy how Giants sightings or whatever on Google, you will find press reader gives a number of samples of sightings of the years all the way up to about nineties. And he's you know hikers, hunters, people, you know, tourists. Now, I got a report that same mountain that I talked about where I saw those UFOs or that UFO, and then I caught those other ones. Straight after I got reports from that same mountain. There was a man that contacted me, a fireman who was from Spain. He was here on a holiday. He was up this three thousand foot mountain, one thousand meters mountain, Mount moy How. This is the legendary mountain, wild mountain. Some people got there,

34:35 they have nothing, but then other people have stuff. He's up there. The summit's actually off limits but anyway, so the mari used to care they did up there. But anyway, he's there, God his He's just there by himself. He says, he's getting ready to set up his tent to sleep on the summit. Overnight, he hears the sound of something bipedal bi pedal footsteps moving in the bush close to him. Now. At first he said he thought it was a whapp of te deer, but he said, that doesn't that sounds more bipedal. Then what happens is a series of rocks start getting thrown at him. And this just wasn't Peeble's folks.

35:20 This was heavy rocks and I'm talking fourteen kilogram a series of whatever was throwing those rocks should be in the Olympics. He according to him and his report, he said there was a series of rocks that got thrown at him that got close and closer, and he said that the final one that was thrown at him was about fourteen kilograms and was thrown from about sixty feet away or twenty meters away and landed very close to him. He was terrified. He fled, left his gear, fled the mountain. I was also contacted well, I spoke to a man I suspect as a scientist along with three companions who went up that same mountain back in the seventies. They went up there to sleep up there. I don't know exactly what they were doing up there, but they slept about halfway up. They said, at about one o'clock in the morning, they heard this howl up there that they couldn't explain. They were absolutely terrified. They said. They left at pace. Now I tried to interview them. They didn't want anything to do with it. They had this cognitive dissonance.

36:34 They didn't want anything any more to do with it. All I knew is they tried to identify that with their analytical minds. They couldn't explain it. So anyway, so there's a lot of stories like that. My estimation in our current age right now, I've heard from dozens of people with sightings who will contact me through Facebook. There's on my inestimation, there must be hundreds, if not more, people who've had experiences out in the world here that because of the ridicule factor, they don't want to talk about this sighting. They all made fun of. Now the reason why the rticull factor. There's a guy here called Lee Hart. He's a comedian. He did his own show.

37:20 He went to America and made fun of people at a bigfoot convention. So that's the kind of public kind of humor that they have here. You know, they really make fun of people. Now. I had a woman, three girls actually not far from where I go, who saw who went down to a treehouse out in the bush at the back of this property up in the White Techer Rangers. This was about two thousand and seven. They go down to this treehouse, going down, you know, girls about ten years about three of them. Well, they encountered this thing down there that was about six feet high, completely hairy. Red eye growled at them. One of them was freak out. I don't know why I should pick up a piece of wood, throws it at it. The saint growls and starts making its way towards them. I have no doubt that if this being wanted to take them, it could have easily taken them, let alone an adult.

38:24 So there's a lot of stories like that here in this country, but you will not hear about them in modern media except for me. Stupid me. I painted a big target on myself in this country because well, I don't care very much. But anyway, so this I do have some articles and use it on the Herald Radio New Zealand. I do have some articles done about my research here and also this documentary. Really, what it sounds like is if people are wanting to hear more of these encounters, the best resource is what you're putting out, I mean like your YouTube channel or documentary. And you said some articles as well, right.

39:06 Yes, yeah, there looking at pre seventies, around nineteen seventies earlier, there are some accounts that you can read through press rate adult Colm. I think it is just toping moy how it's fascinating. I mean the real question is how did they get here? I mean, yeah, the Australia Sasquatch, North America on the South Pacific Way, one of the most isolated countries in the world Island Country. Absolutely, Oh my goodness, it's it's so many, so many questions that you could go into so many rabbit holes from there. But I would really want to make sure that we are able to talk about so how was it, you know, what did you do over at Skinwalker Ranch?

39:52 And more importantly, like you had a big foot encounter over there? There's not many documented big Foot encounters at Skinwalker. I believe there's one in a book from a long time ago, and there's like a portal involved. But I would love to hear what you experienced over there. Well, what led me to there? I had a tic tac ufo siding in the desert. I nearly crashed my car. I had this FILLI to pull over on the highway outside now soon Nevada. I had a siding there, a daytime siding of this craft. From that day forward, in early January twenty thirteen, it turned my world upside down. I needed answers, and I'm just very quickly passing through.

40:34 I learned about skin Walker Ranch and George Knapp and the NIDS, the National Institute for Discovery Science study. Robert Bigelow had paid a lot of his own money, using a team of highly educated scientists across the spectrum the study of what was going on, the cattle mutilations, things that looked like Bigfoot. It wasn't stuff that just happened on the prom but also outside. Now. I went there just to figure out, well, why did I see this, this this tictac ufo thing. I thought, well, that is a legendary. I went there, you had to invite it on the property. It's guarded twenty four to seven. That thing is like the area one of the paranormal I mean portal's been seen opening up. Even a couple of scientists saw this yellowish a hole open up on the field at night. One of them had night vision gar probably familiar with the story. One of them is up on the ridge line watching with his night vision. You can see this, this huge creature comes through this hole into this field. There's all kinds of wet stuff that took place there. And now I knew I had to go there for answers because that was, you know, one of the most haunted places in America. And it wasn't just there, it was also Fort de Shane. I talked to some of the locals there when I went there.

42:03 One I interviewed Larry Cispoocht tribal leader, a spiritual leader there where they saw weird stuff sometimes giant footprints in the area. Anyway, so I went there. The first night, I went to Southern Vantage, which is about a mile or so south of the property. I had at nighttime, I had all my cameras set up. The wind was so strong, was shaking the car and so I was outside in it. I had these strange lights that approached me, and the colored lights that will do a ninety degree turning in front of my face. Light lighting up my face came really close. They went against the gusty wind. Now, insects can't handle that kind of wind. So anyway, I was like, can't be his fireflies because I mean they went right against it. So the second night, I went up to this veins location where locals sometimes go called it's called Ufo Hill. Now it overlooks the skies above skin Walker Ridge. You can't see the ranch directly, however, you can see the the skies above the property over there.

43:15 I went up there for UFOs. Let's just face it. I went there for UFOs. Skinwalker Runch is one of those places that you go there you can plan for something, but something else can happen. You know, you may not have an experience, but I was one of those people. Because of my background and my experiences, I wondered if I was going to be like a magnet for this stuff. So anyway, so I went up with my girlfriend up on Ufo Hill. There sat and pitched block darkness up on this hill, a rocky hill overlooking the area there, and I had my laptop, had my camera set up. I went there to record UFOs so we hear the strange creature sound there. I don't know what the heck it was. I got recorder on my audio. Then there was a sound of like what sounded like an explosion.

44:04 I thought it was my badgy pack on one of my devices that had blown up. I was looking checking my gear. It was really loud. It was like a little bomb going off. So I was looking. I couldn't figure out what it was because all my gear seemed to work. Now, going back over that footage a while after, I realized it was an explosion. It was a rock something through a rock right next to us. Now it was pitch blackout there. Now what happened when we were there, We had a tribal police officer pulled up because my car was packed further down towards the road there, a tribal police officer pulls up, pulls his car up and checks out. It starts taking pictures of my car, and you know, I had to be really careful because I'm like, oh, I don't want to spook him, so I said hello, hello.

44:58 You know, he couldn't see me because it because you know, people you know, trigger happy, you know. But anyway, so this tribal police officer was there. I said, look, what are you doing out here? And you know with sky watching? I just said, we're sky watching, not sky watching anyway. So he says, just be careful out here. There's real weird stuff that goes on out here, you know. And I should have asked him. I should have asked him, well, tell me more, you know, I should have. But anyway, I felt like we're pushing out luck this sherry anyway, So that was something. Now, I didn't have a proactive interest in the sub subject of sasquatch at that time. It wasn't until I I two years later I went returned to my home country after some twenty years living in America. Going back to his going to the world, I suspect that I was followed across the world. All this weird stuff started happening. I nearly died. I had this shadow creature thing came right up to me. When I should have died. I had to medication in direct that should have killed me. The shadow thing came right up to me thrust something in my heart, which the ambulance people were surprised is still alive. I had a lot of weird stuff happened, so anyway, it's snowballed into all these weird messages and recording. When people listen to it, they have no frame of reverence. I get a deer in the headlight lock. That's what I get. Now. A lot of stuff has happened, and I suspect that, you know, George Napp has talked about the piggyback effect or the

46:31 stalk or the piggyback effect of people who visit areas. It is quite nine amongst panel investigators that you can be followed from an area. So I suspect also with sasquatch, we're talking about sasquatch, that they get to know you. They get to know you, especially if you keep returning to an area. You can build a relationship with them. And I don't have to go too far. They will interact with me. Now in the documentary, Actually, I've had stones swamping across the world. When I say, you know in America and also here in New Zealand. So pick them up on camera. So I go frame by frame, you can see now. I tried to replicate that throw.

47:14 I went down to the area during the day whatever through that stone and a really good throwing arm. It's really accurate. Now. I've taken people with me occasionally, some people have never had experience like this before. Something will come up close to us at nighttime and start clacking stones together what I would describe stone clacking sounds. One time we had a rock throwing a big bang right next to us. I had a group of about sex or five people. They're sitting in this location, this wild location, right, really died yesterday, and it will affect other people too.

47:57 Sometimes you'll hear strange voices as well. So I knew in the early days I had to record. My goal was to record these voices. Have you ever experienced in these same places? Let me think batteries suddenly not working anymore, anything like that. Yeah, So that is also associated with the paranormal, Like you can go on investigations and all of a sudden, you know you've checked your battery, everything's charged up. Stuff will fail. There's skinwalker, right, I went there. I flew a drone up there to get some al shots. Well, it was an mix four hundred It was before the head GPS guided drones. Well, this thing very strangely, I flew it up completely. I was only about one hundred or so feet away from me. Completely lost control, like something blocked the radio signal and it went and crashed.

49:06 So I've been out there and I've had battery packs drained, completely drained. So are they the ghosts of Bigfoot? You know? You could say, you know, areas? Are they the ghost of soldiers of back you know, hauntings and that? Are they ghosts of former inhabitants? You could say, well are they? Are they deceased Bigfoot? You know? Are they at the astor versions of Bigfoot? You know? I have to think of a lot of things to try and try to find answers. You know, we have a theory, you know. Oh absolutely so so as wild that if you cut into Bigfoot after you went back to New Zealand, that that is pretty cool. Do you ever feel like I ever wish you could come back here to check out places like the Pacific Northwest for Bigfoot activity? Do you ever have that desire to maybe make another trip over here?

50:04 Well, I'd love to. I don't really make money of what I do it's anything. You lose money when you do this, particularly in this country. Yeah, sure, I would love. I'd love to explore. I have to go to different places. At least here I don't have to worry about snakes or beers or coyones or mountain wines, cougars, you know what. It doesn't have animals. The geography is very steep, slippery. It makes up for in that absolutely. You've mentioned a few areas in New Zealand where there's a ton of activity. Are these areas also known for missing people as well?

50:46 Is that something that you deal with in your country too. Well, there's an area not too far from where I am where there's been a number of people who've gone completely missing, neverhood of it ever again. A place called Piaha, which actually borders the Tasman Sea. People you know, surfing spot, people go there, they go on this this track higher up towards the wild area. People go missing up there, never heard of be heard of again. And we just actually was another lady that just went missing. So some people, you know, wonder what is their connection. There were stories of for Mari that that sometimes that people would be taken.

51:35 There's even stories of some of these beings being cannibal as well. There's the putter what they call the ferry people that look more like us, but they look different to Mari talked about taking people sometimes quickly through the air. Very very strange stuff as this serial color operating there. That's never been caught, quite possible. But as a researcher going up there, nothing's tried to take me or harm me. Scare experiences, yes, going out there. When you're in your tent and you hear the sound of a tree getting ripped down, that's that's freaky, you know. I took a picture of these being started inviting me out there. It's really I went down the rabbit hole on the subject.

52:30 They tore down about a dozen healthy trees, some of them that the South Pacific palm trees, thek nook nookw palms. They're resistant to hurricane force winds. These things very strong. These trees were snapped at ninety degree angles, completely snapped, about a dozen of them. And this morning, this was where I got the picture of what I believe is the more you held one of the New Zealand's book, I suspect that they did that. There was no lie marks, no saw marks in an area, It's very hard to get to. Now the area has you know, when the trees get torn down, you get overgrown, you know, the trees start getting you know, all the carnage from the trees start getting overtaken by the folage.

53:19 Have you ever checked any of your areas for intense radiation readings or anything like that. Well, I'd love to. I'd love to have some of that scientific gear, but I've most of my focuses has been on audio slash video. I have earlier in the early days, I've done casting, but I carry a lot of gear on me, including safety gear if something goes wrong. So yeah, I think that would be interesting to see if if that fluctuates, you know, all theF levels. I do have a K two media that panel visigators used, but I I tend to try to recall the phenomena because it does interact with me. But that that would be very interesting to see.

54:11 Yeah, that, I think more researchers over here are starting to look into that as well. Have there ever been any reports that where where the witness is you know, seeing something to the effective I heard a sound and it seemed to like affect me physically like I had my my chest was vibrating or I started feeling weird. Anything over here we call it infrasound. I don't know. Is that a thing that comes up over and your area as well. Yes, somewhatness to subscribe. The sound that they produced goes right through your chest, very powerful. I've also had foot footfalls like big thuds, like it's weird that the power behind it is just weird. Sometimes it's described was a dom Eastward park ranger I interviewed. He described going to areas will be like a bubble, like you walk into a bubble where all the wildlife goes completely quiet.

55:21 Yep. Sometimes people describe that or like what I experienced too. You know, the feeling of being washed, that that uneasy you know, hairs stand up on the back of your neck kind of feeling. Okay, so you mention. So you've mentioned something a few times where it's really interesting over here. You can't really get any park rangers to talk, especially on record, because they're very scared of losing their jobs. It's something where stuff happens, but they don't want to talk to I've talked to one gentleman off record. But are you saying that the park rangers over there, they are are they're willing to be interviewed about what they've experienced. There's not really a you know, or we can't talk about that, like that doesn't exist type thing.

56:15 Well, I had this one contact me, Dom Eastwood, and he contacted me. He just sometimes described would not hearing woodknock up behind the mountains. The stone's being thrown when they've got a tap over them, you know, being thrown horizontally, not something dropping from a braw but not like seeds or anything coming down stuff like that. So I was very fortunate that he contacted me because he listened to the howling that I recorded back and was an April of twenty twenty two when I had picked up stones being thrown, something very strong, very accurate. So he listened to that. What he said, Yeah, I've heard the same thing, not all that far from Mount moy how that area where out in the corner of peninsula where there's a lot of legends of these giants.

57:19 That area, I believe that was the same area you said that you actually can't go up to the summit because it's like is it sacred to for ancestral reasons or. Yes, well they used to Maori used to carry they're dead up this three thousand foot mountain and they bury them at the top. So that's one reason it is private properly up there. I heard of one man that sneaked up over there and according to him said somebody fired shotgown over their head. One of the reports I got, however, that that's a very wild mountain up there. Now according to somebody else, he reckons there's an ancient trick stone up there. You know, this gets into forbidden archaeology, a trick stone used for alignment. According to this man, I think, what's Barry Belsford. I think it's so anyway, there's something up there like that too. Now I have not I have been to the footholes there. I have slept overnight in the footholes. It's a very wild area. You know, people sometimes die because they die if you don't go prepared.

58:37 You can die from exposure in these places. Thank goodness. One other thing I wanted to to ask you about in witness encounter. In witness encounters that get reported to you, are people reporting anything, you know. Usually it's referred to as telepathy or where they start hearing communication inside their heads. Is that something that you have come up in reports over there as well? Well, not not a lot, not a lot. That's probably one of the least reported that I get. It might be because a lot of people are terrified when stuff starts happening. The fair aspect, Now, if you are calm and you're not having that fight or flight the adrenaline flying through your system, I think it's your state of mind, if you're calm, that you can have that kind of stuff.

59:41 But a lot of people that have these encounters experiences are terrified. Some people don't want to go back in the bush after that. Now I had something weird happened after the stuff that was going on. The feelings are being watched, the feelings are being followed, you know, the sounds are being followed, that kind of thing. I I heard a muttering sound out there and I felt like whatever it was was two beings talking to each other about me. And I said, look, I wasn't there for too big footing or anything like that. Originally I was like, Oh, I'm not here to harm you. I'm not here to hurt you. Now something came through. Now this gets into the wools, so this might be a friend to do some people. I was in my house, something came into my bedroom. I was laying on my bed on what was quite wide awake. Something comes into my bedroom. I could feel the energy come up to me, tapped my head, shook the bed, and gave me a date to go back there. Just basically put this date in my mind.

1:00:45 So that was mine speak. I went there that day. I didn't know what the heck was going to happen, so I'm going back into this area again. Something runs past me through the bush like an elephant smashing through the bush lot charging through next. I didn't get a visual, but it was pretty freaky. It is incredible how many similarities there are now. And this might be old information to some listeners, but I mean, you've got North America, New Zealand in Australia different in some ways, but there's some similarities in the what you guys are experiencing and what we are experiencing and what they are over in Australia and I know other you know, there's the almasty in Russia as well, and in the year and in China, and it's just very very interesting how there's so many similarities in this phenomenon all over the world, and hopefully someday we will get answers. But Mark, it has been just a fascinating conversation. I just want to say thank you so much for coming on on the show today and for answering all my questions about, you know, what you've got going on over there in New Zealand which I had no idea about. Do you mind spending a bit of time talking about how people can you know, want watch the documentary that you've been

1:02:18 telling us about, and also how they can keep up to date with your research. If you have a YouTube channel or anything like that. Well I can see it all on Mountain of Entities just typing into YouTube. So look me up that way. Documentary took ten years to make. Next rat involves a lot from skin Walker, aren't you. I think I've titled Bigfoot UFO documentary I it got released in late twenty twenty three. How about the following year I did it up putting it up on YouTube for people to see. So watch all the way through the in folks, because you will hear those very strange voices out there. I take someone with me towards the end, of the documentary.

1:03:06 There's a radio show that I go in and with ask some questions, good questions. I take somebody with me who's never experienced this stuff out there, who's familiar with the folklore, and you can see what happens when I take somebody with whether we find footprints. There's other stuff that goes on. You can so it gets documented on video and on audio along with this, which I believe is possibly one of the moy Hel's. The New Zealands bigfoots. Fascinating all on there, Mark, I'm sure there'll be some people from New Zealand listening to this. If there are, and they do have experiences they'd like to report to you, is there a way that they can reach out to you to share what they've encountered in New Zealand as well?

1:03:53 Well? They can either get hold of me through Facebook just look me up. There's very few people with my name all they could just go through my YouTube channel. I read the comments and quite often I respond, look, I just had a man earlier this year down Mary Mary. Him and his wife saw a big flour hot of forestry ride driving to Napier. When they pulled over here, they can just contact me through Facebook or through my YouTube channel the best ways. Fantastic. Well, Mark Copple, thank you so much for coming on again, and you know, definitely keep us in the loop if things continue to happen down there in New Zealand.

1:04:39 We would love to hear about it sometime in the future, and I'm sure we'll definitely I'll be following along with things you continue to put out. But thanks so much, Mark. I appreciate you coming on today. Thank you for having me Jeremy, I much appreciate it. Before we wrap this episode, I want to see something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense, if you're in the logging industry, on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts, and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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