Jan. 6, 2025

Is Bigfoot at Nellis AFB? | Nevada

This is an unlocked Patreon episode originally released 10/19/23.

This episode of 'Bigfoot Society' features an electrifying conversation between host Jeremiah Byron and Chris, a Florida listener with a range of paranormal experiences. Chris dives...

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Season 1

This is an unlocked Patreon episode originally released 10/19/23.

This episode of 'Bigfoot Society' features an electrifying conversation between host Jeremiah Byron and Chris, a Florida listener with a range of paranormal experiences. Chris dives into an unforgettable incident at Nellis Air Force Base, where a spine-chilling roar shook a Humvee and spooked military personnel, leading to whispers of 'shadow people'. Could it be the Catman cryptid or something else?

Listen as Chris details this eerie event, alongside his own Bigfoot and werewolf sightings in Florida. Uncover the mysteries lurking in both the swamps and deserts in this must-hear episode!

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Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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on with the show. All right, Big Society got the

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privilege of talking to a listener that contacted me. His

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name is Chris, He's from Florida. How's it going tonight, Chris?

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How you doing? Jeremiah? Thank you so much for having

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me on the show. What's an honor?

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Thank you? Thank you sir. You've reached out via email

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and you've had some really interesting things happen over the year.

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Years you grew up in New York City. It sounds

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like yes, sir, and then you moved down to central

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Florida in the late eighties, and then I'll let you

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kind of take over from there.

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Okay. So I mean I'm originally from New York City,

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so I come from what they call the concrete Jungle,

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and a little bit of a backstory because I think

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a lot of this stuff correlates. Although you have a

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show about, you know, specifically Bigfoot, it's under the umbrella

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of the paranormal. So since I was a kid, I've

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always had experiences, even up until this day, so it's

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something that's always followed me. I never asked for any

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of these situations. These things just happened to me, and

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I haven't had any answers. So I grew up in

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New York City. My upbringing wasn't the greatest. I won't

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go into any detail that you know, could figure out

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your own. And so around nineteen eighty nine, I'm about

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to head into high school, we were moving to Florida.

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So we weren't really too happy with that. I already had,

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like in my mind my own plans and what I

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wanted to do with my life and just being uprooted

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and moving to this new state. I mean, we had

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visited Florida before and I never really liked it, so

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just uprooting to move there, I already had like a

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chip on my shoulder. So the plan was my mother

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and my stepfather at the time, had this plan to

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buy land in Okalla, which is also in central Florida,

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and to do the whole thing, you know, house, white picket, fans,

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basketball court, blah blah blah. We're going to be like

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this happy family. And they got caught up in a scam.

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So I remember the day that I had to go

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into the high school to get my school records and

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find out that we essentially didn't have a place to live.

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So my mother and my stepfather had to scramble to

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find the place. And they found the place and settled

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on the outskirts of Orlando in this place called Kissimi, right,

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And I'm like, what is this Kissimi place? Just the

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name sounds stupid, you know. So again, my brother and I,

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you know, we're very reluctant to want to move. Ultimately,

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September ish, we moved to you know, we moved to Cassimi.

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We didn't fly, we drove, So we had to drive

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hours from New York with this on my mind, like

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I have to start this new life in this new

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place I've never been before. Not only that, you have

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the history of the of the Deep South. So I'm

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kind of a little worried and scared of how I'm

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going to fit into this new you know, society that

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I'm moving to. So once we got there and we

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got to know some of the locals and we need friends,

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they would tell us, you know, certain things like, Okay,

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first off, Kasimi at that time, late eighties eighty nine

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wasn't as developed as it is currently. Now you have

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more stores, you know, the small little more locations, you know,

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you know, it's it's kind of growing. But back then

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it wasn't as developed. And Florida is basically one big

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swamp with prospectors and property owners deciding, hey, let's build

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places where there's flat land, and you know, apartment complexes

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won't sink, you know, into like a sinkhole or something.

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So to me, Florida is a jungle in of itself.

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People who live here will tell you even in central Florida,

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there's many patches of very deep wooded areas and honestly,

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I don't see anybody going into these areas and coming

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out of those areas, so anything can live in those spots.

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So the subject of Bigfoot, you know, most of the

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time people talk about it in the Pacific Northwest, specifically

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when I was growing up, you know, seeing the Patterson

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Givel in film and all that, I always thought it

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was like a Pacific Northwest thing. I didn't know that

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Bigfoot was down south and it was called the skunk cake.

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That wasn't in my vocabulary. So when I moved to

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Florida and I started navigating because we didn't have a car,

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I wasn't aware that walking by like heavily wooded areas,

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that there might be something possibly lurking in there and

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those and those and those those spots. So anyway, let

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me get into the incidents, you know, plural. I used

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to take this one route to walk to school, and

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it was kind of populated. What there was some spots

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where there was wooded area, but it was primarily populated.

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The issue that I was having is I was getting

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to school late, and I was in in jeopardy of

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like having to do you know what they call it,

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like when you have to stay after school, like iss

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and school suspensions and stuff like that. So I didn't

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want to get in trouble, so I had to take

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an alternate route, and I talked to like against some

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of the locals, and they told me there was this

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shortcut that I could take. So I wounded up taking

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the shortcut, and initially it was fine. The only issue

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that I had is compared to New York, there wasn't

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a lot of like sidewalks. So the sidewalk would be

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like a five to like seven foot like span of

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like just grass, and then you'd have a two way,

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a two lane like road, okay, one with oncoming and

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ongoing traffic, and then on the other side of that

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same thing, probably like five to seven foot you know,

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like length of just like patch of grass, and that

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would be essentially a sidewalk. And since Florida rains a lot,

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you know, you're dealing with like mud, you know. And

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my fear was just like I want to get to

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school with dry feet. There was many days I would

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get to school and my foot would be you know,

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my thoughts would be soaked, and it was just really

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like annoying. So on top of me, you know, getting uprooted,

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having to move to this different place, having to walk

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to school, having to get my my sneakers and my

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and my my feet wet all the time just wasn't

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the greatest time. So I want to say, about like

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a week or so after taking the shortcut, I started

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to hear noises like in this patch of woods. So

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like how I described it was, you have like this

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five to seven foot like length or the span of

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like grass. Then when it would dip down to sort

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of like this retention sort of area, and that could

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be it could dip down from anywhere from like three

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feet to maybe a little bit deeper, like five feet

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at the most. Then it would come up to a

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bank and then it would be nothing but just like

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a wall of like trees and shrubbery. And I was

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told that back back in that those spots would be

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like you know, swampy areas where there would be gators,

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maybe some wild dogs, you know, every once in a while,

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they said, homeless people would you know, sleep in there

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or maybe create encampment encampments back there. But for the

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most part, I was more scared about the gators that

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they said that sometimes would come out to get the

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roadkill or get anything that would be walking by and

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bring it back into this swampy forest the area because

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I was in high school. High school starts the earliest,

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at least down south. I don't know anywhere else, but

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I know down south it would start like probably like

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seven seven o'clock in the morning. School would start like

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seven maybe seven point thirty, so I would have to

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leave like super early, and a lot of times it

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was still dark outside. So I'm walking through this like moist,

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you know, wet area with hardly any cars coming and

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going and just hope I don't get hit by a

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car or get you know, snatched by a gate or something.

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So I started to notice something pacing me. Now, being

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from New York, there's not a lot of forests in

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New York. You have parts, obviously, and you have some

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areas like apartment complexes that have trees and they have

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like parks there as well. But I mean, I know

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the difference when leaves fall on the ground, like in

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the fall, and you have people like jogging or running,

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or you have kids playing or people walking their pets.

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Because there was pats, you had squirrels. I could tell

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the difference between something running on two legs and something

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running like between something bipedal and a quadruped right. I

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could tell the difference between that. I could also tell

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the difference of the sound of something that's moving lightly

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as opposed to something that's kind of heavier. So you

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could tell the difference between how a dog walks through

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you know, shrubbery versus a human, so to speak. This

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was something that was following me the same path I

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was taking. I could hear the cracks of branches and

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tree limbs breaking, you know, something stepping on like you know,

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the ground, you know, making noises. It didn't paced me exactly,

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like how like, it wasn't taking the same step as

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I was taking a step. It was kind of off

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a little bit, but it was obviously something was following me.

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I could hear this noise, and it didn't start in

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the beginning of my ride. It was somewhere towards the middle.

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So it took me about thirty minutes at the most

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to get from my house through this shortcut to the school.

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So I want to say about maybe five to ten

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minutes into my walk is when this would start happening.

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So at first, my initial thought was obviously some sort

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of animal, you know, whether it was a dog or

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a feral cat, or you know, something back of my mind,

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maybe a gator, but to me, like if it was

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something that wanted to get me, like it knew I

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was there, It knew I was walking because I mean,

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I'm splashing through the puddles, through mud most of the time,

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cursing out loud because I hated, you know, having or

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do the walk, but it's something that was pacing me.

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So after a while of like maybe a week of

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this happening, got to the point where I started to

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like vocalize and ask if somebody was there, like hello,

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are you there? You know, while you're following me? Because

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I felt like if it was a person, they would

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have to answer back, because I mean, why would someone

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pace me, Like let's say a homeless person pace me

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and just stollow me without making any sort of contact

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or connection, Like if there was anything negative behind that,

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it would have already happened, you know what I mean.

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After and this took probably like two two and a

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half months this was happening, And it wasn't like every day.

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This was like maybe every other day. Sometimes it would

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happen two days in a row, but it wasn't every day. Now,

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when you walk and you have this wall. Every once

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in a while it would open up into like this

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sort of trail, and the locals would tell me those

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trails usually leave from one side of whatever this heavily

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forest a forested area to or swampy area to the

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other side. So you always have like these main streets

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that parallel each other. And if you like in New York,

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you know, you can take a short cut by going

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through a basement of one building and then find yourself

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on another block. It's very similar, but with trails. But

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they want to me and my brother don't take those

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trails because sometimes they lead you to like spots where

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you can get lost. And again there's retention ponds back there,

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and swampy areas where there's gators and snakes and all

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this stuff. And again you know, this might be homeless

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people back there might be feral dogs, a cats. You

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just don't want to go in there. But I would

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see these open patches. Funny thing about it is, as

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this thing would pace me, I got used to I

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got used to knowing where this opening would come, and

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in my mind I would get myself ready to see

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whatever this thing is, because if it kept going, it

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would ultimately show itself, but it was whatever this was.

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If it was a person, I don't think it was

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a person. If it was an animal like a dog,

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I don't think it was a dog, or any sort

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of cat, or even like a gator. Whatever this was

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knew that it couldn't go past that point and had

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to either find another route to go around that open

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area to then start pacing me again. And then I

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would walk for maybe another five to ten more minutes

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before I hit a spot where it was more populated,

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and then you know, there were houses, so again this

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thing would stop before it would be in somebody else,

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in somebody's backyard, and then I can see it. And

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this went on for, like I said, about three months

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until I bought a walkman, because at this point I

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really didn't care, you know, I was like, if something's

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going to get me, there was really no place for

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me to go. I'm surrounded by, you know, swamps on

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both sides of me. There's a two lane road. If

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I go on the road, it could possibly get hit

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by a car. Either that or I'm going back home

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and I'm missing school, which isn't good. So at this

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point I just put headphones on listen to music, and

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I would take my route not knowing if this thing

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was pacing me anymore. And then after a while, it

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just kind of like went back to the old route

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and I had to leave even earlier, so I avoided

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that route all together. So that's one of one of

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the incidents that happened to me when I moved to Florida.

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Did you ever hear that the same thing would also

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happen to your classmates? Would you ever talk to your

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classmates about it?

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No? I never talked to them. And I was the

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only one taking this route at the time I was

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taking it because in my neighborhood, my brother was an

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elementary school and most of the kids were either in

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elementary or they were already like in college, So there

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wasn't a lot of kids in the neighborhood that were

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my age that went to the same school as I,

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did you know what I mean? And then it's one

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of those weird things where I don't know if you

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know about zoning areas, but I was in an area

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where the bus couldn't pick me up, but literally like

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maybe twenty thirty feet like kids can get on the bus.

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So it was one of those things where It's like,

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you know, if I lived twenty thirty feet, you know,

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one way I can catch the bus, but since I

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wasn't in that zone, I couldn't catch the bus, you

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know what I mean. So a lot of these kids,

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I don't believe they walked the same route that was

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the only one on the road, you know, during that time.

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Yeah, definitely, it's such a it's such a weird thing.

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The weirdest thing I think is that it would happen

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to you off and on for such an extended period

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at time, big for society. Who will be right back

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after these messages? Could you get a feeling for like,

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you know, you could hear the whatever it was walking,

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I would assume, could you get a feel for how

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heavy the footfalls were or anything like that.

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It wasn't it wasn't light, but it seemed like And

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this is just speculation, so I don't I don't want

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to make it seem like I know, I don't know,

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I don't know what it was. But listening to other

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people's accounts, it's very similar because again, like when you're

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talking about going into an open area and then this

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thing whatever it is, stopping right there and then repositioning itself,

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meaning it having to go around this open area so

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then really start pacing me again, which is again not

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something that I can see a homeless person or just

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a regular person doing. Like what do they get out

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of that? Like what are they what do they get

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out of watching a high school kid walking to school

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like every day or whatever, you know, And it seemed

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like the every step had intention to not try to

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give itself away. But I can hear it.

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You know, it's some it's it's some creepy, creepy stuff.

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And man, I don't know how did it stop. Did

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it just all of a sudden one day you didn't

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hear it anymore? Or was it when you stop taking

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that route all together?

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I stopped hearing it when I started using a walk, man,

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because I was at the point where I just didn't

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care anymore. Like I felt, like I said, I felt like,

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if it's something's gonna come and get me, or if

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I'm going to interact with something, it's going to happen eventually.

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And there was no place for me to run. You know,

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I'm about like six seven miles from my house, so

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if I track backwards, they then take an alternate route

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for sure, I'm showing up late. So at that point

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in my mind, I'm just going to stay home. And

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so then I'm missing school and it's causing more problems.

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And then I again, if I run across the street

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to go to the other side, there's another wall of

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swamp forest and I don't know what's in there, you know.

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The cars are very sparse, Like I'm talking like maybe

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every two or three minutes a car comes passing by,

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back and forth. I have to walk more towards the

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foresty side because I'm trying not to get caught by

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a car hitting a puddle and it's splashing on me,

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you know, which I learned, you know, the hard way,

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you know. So, like there's a lot going on in

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my mind while I'm walking to schools, like trying to

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keep my feet you know, as dry as possible, you know,

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and so like this thing is happening to me, and

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I'm trying to understand it, like, oh, it's probably a person,

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it's probably animal, but it just didn't make sense because

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it's like ultimately, like animals, I don't believe do that.

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I don't believe that an animal would be curious enough

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to pace without revealing itself. I mean, unless it was

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like a deer, but I don't know that they're deer

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in Kasimi. Like I've seen deer in Central Florida, but

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I don't believe that there's deer in Casimi. And I

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know there's bear in central Florida, but I don't believe

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there's bear in Casimi. So you know, I don't know,

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you know, and I don't know.

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I say, you know, the weird thing is is that

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it was something that for or you know, it was

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day to day or every other day or whatever, but

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it was it's almost like it was it was stalking. Yeah,

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and man, weird vibes from that one man. Thankfully not

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what happened to you.

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But no, and I'm much appreciative. I want to frame

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it in the sense of curiosity. Sure, because to me,

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like stalk, there's an endy result always to stalk. And

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I was an easy target, there was no I mean,

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I was athletic at the time, like but I was

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more like I played baseball, I played basketball. That's athletic

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I was. I wasn't like a wrestler or bodybuilding. So

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I'm an easy target at that point. If it's a

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predator or if I'm being stalked. That's the way I

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saw it. Maybe it was stalking me, and maybe when

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it was about to maybe do its thing, I decided

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not to show up anymore, you know. But the way

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I see it, I saw more. I felt like it

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was more of a curiosity thing, like what what is this?

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It's like, you know, six in the morning, what is

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this kid doing walking? You know, like that sort of thing,

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you know, like, you know, he's interesting, he's he doesn't

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look like other Floridians because back then I was into metals,

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so I had long hair and a metallic issue. So like,

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you know, probably like what is this, you know, weird

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person walking you know in my you know, my area,

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my territory.

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I love it. So you're like, did you see the

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newest Stranger Things? So you're like Eddie from Stranger Things.

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Oh yeah, it was fantastic, totally.

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Man, of course it was sick, so good man.

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And then and then they threw the Coneyan sword in there.

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You can't go wrong, you know, legit, dude, it's a legit.

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You also had your email says that you saw something

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weird and I don't want to give away what it

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was you saw something weird behind a store one time.

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Yeah. Yeah. So so fast forward like three to four

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years later. You know, I'll kind of settled somewhere in Florida.

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I still hate it, but I'm still kind of settled.

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And I wound up getting this job going towards Disney, Okay,

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in central Florida. And I think it was one of

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those things where it's a franchise and people buy into

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this franchise because it was a store called Goodings, but

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it was owned by like this family and it was

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a two best friends. They bought the franchise, and you know,

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they had the store and it was a touristy store

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because you know, it was one of those where the

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cereal was like eight dollars a box, right, because they

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can do that, you know, like people come to, you know,

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to vacation and the place and the prices go up,

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you know. So I was working primarily restocking the shelves

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and stuff like that. Now, the owners they only really

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wanted garbage to go out a certain time of the day,

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which was primarily was at nighttime. So we would have

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to stuff whatever garbage because they didn't want to use

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up garbage bags. So I worked primarily the day shift,

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and then it was a crew that came in at night,

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and so we would have garbage ready for them to

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dull out at nighttime. So I had been working there

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for like six seven months. I wound up getting one

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of my friends in there to work with me. And

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I was pretty good with the owners. I mean, the

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knew I worked hard, but sometimes they were like over

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the top strip at times. But anyway behind the store

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was like this, I don't know you call it like

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like a reserve because it was nothing but again forest.

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And that's the thing like in Florida, if you're not

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really paying attention, you don't realize that you go to

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you drive by these spots that are populated, but in

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between these populated spots there's heavy forests and if you

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look down a map, you'll see that they're connected. A

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lot of these heavily forested swampy areas are all connected

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and just being to the topic of the paranormal specifically,

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like you know, cryptids, It doesn't take much for these

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for these cryptids to navigate, you know, especially if they've

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been in the area for so long they know it

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like the back of their hand. I can see something

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or some things moving, you know, through heavily populated areas

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without being seen all the time. You know. So this

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sort of reserve area that was in the back. When

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you go to the back, you have probably twenty thirty

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feet of like concrete slab, and then you have like

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this big like garbage bin, this metal garbage bind with

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two plastic tops on it that you could swing open

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on either side. I don't know if you know what

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I'm talking about, but sometimes, you know, we had raccoons

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that would go back there and open up those garbage

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bins to go in there and dig. So then you know,

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you have like the grass would start going in an

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indentation downward, I want to say, it would go down

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to probably like three or four feet. And because it

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was you know, Florida rains a lot a lot of times,

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it was wet, you know, very like moist back there.

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But there was a light that was above this this bin.

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Now I didn't know too much about it because I

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had worked the day. Shit, it wasn't until this thing

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didn't happened that like I saw this whole thing play out.

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But I remember hearing just whispers from the workers when

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we would do the shift change, about how they hated

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going to throw out the garbage back there, that it

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was creepy, and that also there was a family of

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raccoons back there, probably like about ten of them, and

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that they would hiss at the you know, the workers

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when they went to throw garbage out, because I guess

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they were interrupting them as these raccoons would go into

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this bind to take garbage out and the bags in

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there apart looking for food. So one day I'd get

454
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:45.559
approached by one of the managers and he's like, look,

455
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.279
I have a guy that called in. He's like, if

456
00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:50.200
you want to make extra money, you can come in

457
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:53.440
and work overtime. And then you know, he's like, I

458
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:55.799
won't have you close, I'll just have you leave, probably

459
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.759
like around seven, eight o'clock at night. This was probably

460
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:01.440
like in the fall time, so it gets started pretty quickly.

461
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.079
So the garbage gets all, you know, assembled, and it's

462
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.839
probably like around seven o'clock and I go out there

463
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.440
to throw out this garbage. Now above the bin there's

464
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.960
a light, right, it's supposed to have a plastic cover,

465
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.759
but I don't know what happened. The plastic cover was missing,

466
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.119
and so what that did is that made the light

467
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.799
almost like a spotlight because they didn't have you know,

468
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.200
when they put the covers to make it not as bright.

469
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.160
I forgot what they what they call that, what the

470
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:34.039
purpose is for. But anyway, this thing was like off,

471
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.680
and so it made the light like really bay almost

472
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.079
like a spotlight. And so as I'm walking up to

473
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:42.640
this band, I can hardly see the bin, you know,

474
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:44.759
because this light is like shining in my eyes, but

475
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:48.960
it's illuminating a pretty good portion of that swampy area. Okay,

476
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.039
So I see these two raccoons come out and they

477
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:54.759
take off into the forest. So as I'm walking up,

478
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.920
about to throw this stuff, because these raccoons literally they

479
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:01.240
lifted the door open in to where it was like

480
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.200
stuck in the upward position, meaning it was like the

481
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.960
bin was wide open. I was about to just toss

482
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.599
it and walk right back into the into the shop.

483
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.400
But I turn around and I see nothing because of

484
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:17.119
these this illuminating light. I see nothing but these little

485
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.559
beady eyes, like literally like twenty sets of them, but

486
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.000
they're low because like I said, like after the concrete slab,

487
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.000
it starts to go down in the dip and the

488
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.279
dips probably and I'm just estimating probably like three maybe

489
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.200
four feet. So I see all these little eyes and

490
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.920
they're moving around, and in my mind, I'm thinking these

491
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.039
are then to jump me for this bag of garbage.

492
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:42.880
You know, I'm scared of that, you know. But as

493
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:46.119
I'm about to turn again to throw this garbage out,

494
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:51.319
I notice these two sets of red eyes. They're about

495
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.640
like I'm talking, the sets are about they're taller than me.

496
00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:01.920
So whatever these things were, they're they're down three feet,

497
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.599
like their feet is probably three feet below me and

498
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:07.200
they're above me. And there are two sets of red

499
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.720
eyes looking at me that probably maybe thirty forty feet

500
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.119
away from me, and they're probably like maybe ten fifteen

501
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.960
feet apart from each other, so they weren't like together together.

502
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.119
But I mean, it was instantaneous as soon as I

503
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.240
saw those eyes took for me to throw the trash,

504
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:27.079
not care if it made it inside of the band,

505
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.759
and to run inside. But that was that was the

506
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:31.400
second incident that I had.

507
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:34.640
You stick around like at that job or did you

508
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:35.599
keep working there?

509
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.079
I kept working there for maybe a couple of weeks.

510
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:40.960
And I've been asked this before, like did I talk

511
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.640
about it with the with the crew because they had

512
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:46.279
talked about the whisper thing. I didn't talk to them

513
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.319
about that because I'm knowing I mean it literally, I'm

514
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.119
you know, it's all about this machiesze moo thing. I'm

515
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.160
not gonna go and tell these guys, oh I got

516
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.880
I saw these eyes back there, you know, and get

517
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.000
made fun of, you know what I mean. So to me,

518
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.359
I kept that to myself off. But I never worked

519
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.599
another night shift. Like I got asked many times to

520
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:06.359
work night and I was like, Nope, you're not doing it.

521
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.559
You know, because the daytime you can see like they

522
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.000
were like these really thin sort of trees, but they

523
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.960
were like like together, but you could still in the

524
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:17.960
daytime kind of see through it and see kind of

525
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.720
deep in there. But at nighttime you weren't seeing anything

526
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.519
even with the illumination of that light at nighttime, you know.

527
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.759
And the sense that I got was I shouldn't be there,

528
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:33.519
you know what I mean. So I got out of there. Man.

529
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:38.599
It makes me wonder because those your coworkers would be

530
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.759
whispering at times about going back there. I wonder if

531
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.799
there was other people that saw that whatever that thing was.

532
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.240
Yeah, I don't doubt it. I don't doubt if they

533
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.440
show something back there or they heard something, you know,

534
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.359
you know, and I looked up, you know, years later,

535
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.079
I looked up like could could have been the owl,

536
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.119
But Florida to have a lot of owls, you know,

537
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.519
I don't know anything else that has red eyes. You know.

538
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.079
At first, I thought like, are these raccoons climbing in

539
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:06.880
the tree to jump down on, you know, on top

540
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.000
of me. Like as silly as it sounds, I was

541
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:13.799
kind of thinking like like, are there bigger raccoons trying

542
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.839
to jump down on me to grab you know, the

543
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.839
bag that I have, Because I know that raccoons are vicious,

544
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.119
you know, they're they're they're they have rabies and and

545
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.400
they'll fight you. You know, they'll fight you. So that

546
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.000
was my first kind of like quick thought, like you know,

547
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:34.160
these raccoons. But now that it looked like almost you

548
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.079
know how like at night when you're driving and there's

549
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.000
not a lot of light in a certain area, but

550
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.480
they put up these reflectors. You know, it looked like

551
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:44.880
kind of like that like reflectors. There was kind of glowing,

552
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.559
but like there's no vehicles that go back there.

553
00:29:48.880 --> 00:30:07.839
Big for society will be right back after these messages, So.

554
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.599
Why would there be reflectors lets they put on a

555
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.519
couple of trees back there. Just didn't make any sense

556
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.920
to me that there would be reflectors back there. But

557
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.480
that's what it looked like. It looked like reflect their

558
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:20.960
eyes looking back at me, you know.

559
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.240
As some weird stuff. Chris, I don't know what to

560
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:28.319
make of it. Fast forward even a little bit. You

561
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.799
ended up joining one of the services, correct I did.

562
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:35.759
I joined the Air Force in nineteen ninety.

563
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:40.240
Eight, and during that time there in your email you

564
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:44.240
said you may have seen some interesting things happen that

565
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:45.279
you can share about.

566
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.319
Yeah, I could talk about anything you want to talk about.

567
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:51.920
The stuff that I saw was more and I'm not

568
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.279
going to say say it like it's separate, because as

569
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.160
you know, paranormals or big umbrella and all the other

570
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:02.680
like sort of subgenre like uthology, crypt zoology, you know,

571
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.000
and these all that fall under the paranormal umbrella, goes,

572
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.039
et cetera. So the encounters that I had were more

573
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.559
like UFO slash UAP even though I don't like to

574
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:18.279
use that term, but I've heard other like servicemen's stories.

575
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.359
There's this war that's going on, which I wanted to

576
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.880
talk to you about because I know that you're really

577
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.440
trying hard. I've been listening to the last free shows.

578
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.839
You're trying to find people to talk to you about

579
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.000
some sort of hyenacryptid, right, am I correct?

580
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.680
Dude? You know it? Man, you're listening my brother?

581
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:43.160
Yeah, yes, okay, because I'm trying to find people to

582
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:47.240
talk about this more out at Vegas called cat Man,

583
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.039
which could be correlated to what you're trying to find,

584
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.200
but thinking about it, and this is just me thinking

585
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:55.799
and talking.

586
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:59.400
I'm not speaking for anybody else. I think Catman, this

587
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:03.680
war that that I've heard about is a misidentified dog man,

588
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:10.759
So it's another rabbit hole. But listening to you and

589
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.920
you've talked to a few people and a lot of

590
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.119
the characters characteristics are very similar and what I've been

591
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.519
trying to find as well, like the information I'm trying

592
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.240
to find, I think it's connected in some way, because man,

593
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:26.319
it's really all connected. But my like I said, my

594
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:31.000
personal experiences, they're all are generally you are formulated or

595
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.319
shadow man shadow people, which I don't know if you're

596
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:38.079
aware of that phenomenon, but that's something that's followed me

597
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:38.799
my whole life.

598
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.799
So you have your whole life.

599
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:49.200
My whole life, dude, my whole life, my kids, my

600
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.720
kids seeing them you know, yeah, my brother.

601
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.519
Is that thing where you're like seeing the figure out

602
00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.400
the out of the corner of your eye, or.

603
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.480
It's a combination of like it's some sort of like

604
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.039
a shadow thing. I don't know what it is. I

605
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.400
don't think anybody knows what it is. A lot of

606
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.200
times it gets correlated with like aliens, but I don't

607
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.880
believe that's what it is. It could be. I don't know,

608
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.519
you know, but it's it's sometimes it's a sort of

609
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:23.160
like a shadowy apparition that has what could be to

610
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.960
stue it as a head and you know, limbs, you know,

611
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.240
like arms and feet, or it could be just like

612
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.799
this blob sort of thing. And I've experienced since I

613
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.160
was like a little kid, and it's followed me throughout

614
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.279
my life. Now I'm living in a newer place right now,

615
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.240
and I just hit the fifty clubs like two months ago.

616
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.400
I've been here for two months and I haven't had

617
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.759
any incidences so far, and I'm hoping that that's it.

618
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:50.799
I don't ever have to deal with it again. But

619
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.519
it's always like looming around the corner that something might happen.

620
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:59.559
So far nothing has. But before living in this place

621
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.200
all the way till I was a kid, I've always

622
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.920
had these experiences with these what they call these shadow beings.

623
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.679
Even when you're on the base as well.

624
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.920
Oh yeah, yeah, there was an incident on the base

625
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:16.280
where like, do you want me to do you want

626
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:17.559
me to kind of get into it a little bit?

627
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:19.280
Do you mind? Because I know that's a big foot.

628
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.960
Like, so here's the thing, I say, we go for it.

629
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.159
Okay, So this is one of many incidents that went

630
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:30.159
on on the base. I wasn't involved, per se, I

631
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.840
was on shift. It's a context thing, so so bear

632
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:38.440
with me. At the time, I was working in the armory.

633
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.199
But you don't you join the military, you don't get

634
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:42.920
jobs like that right off the bat. You have to

635
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.199
kind of work ground levels. So when I went to Nellis,

636
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.840
I was just essentially a security guard. Nellis has pretty

637
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.280
much two sort of areas. You have your main base

638
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.599
and you have the spot back then, which doesn't exist anymore.

639
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:01.000
I mean, the the structures exist there, but nobody works

640
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:05.599
there anymore. It's a spot cal area too, right. So Vegas,

641
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.239
as you know, or Nevada as you know, has Area

642
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.719
fifty one. They also have a base there that nobody

643
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.079
really talks about called Creech Air Force Base, which used

644
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.599
to be called Indian Springs that has its own, you know, backgrounds.

645
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.079
But I worked at Area two in an Area two.

646
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.119
They housedclear weapons. At the time, we were probably the

647
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.960
second place on this planet that had the most nukes okay,

648
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.760
in the world. Another air force base. So I worked

649
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.199
at Area two and I started as a guard there

650
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.599
what they call a century and I did it for

651
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:43.639
about a year until I put in for a job

652
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.880
to work in the armory, still at Area two. So

653
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.199
this incident happened while I was working an armory. So

654
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.599
my shift at the time we worked twelve hours shifts,

655
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.639
three days on three days off. I worked from I

656
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.639
think six at nine to six in the morning. So

657
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.360
this incident happened probably like ground eight o'clock at night

658
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.400
and lasted all the way until like two three in

659
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:08.800
the morning. So you had like this patrol. They wound

660
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.639
up stopping to take like a quick break, and at

661
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:16.039
the time, the two vehicles that were primarily used were

662
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.199
flatbed you know, pickup trucks, and then you had humbs.

663
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:24.639
Those were the permarity, like two vehicles. So the centuries

664
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.239
that were on the fence line, they're called the perimeter.

665
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:31.039
Like I guess guards. There was certain spots where they

666
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.320
can stop and just like blacks, take break and then

667
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.679
go back to doing their shift. So this each patrol

668
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.320
has two members, particularly the let me get this straight,

669
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:48.840
so the perimeter patrols have two individuals per vehicle. Okay,

670
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.039
in the vehicle you have at least two and four

671
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.639
car bonds, and then one of them has two or

672
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:01.480
three attached to it, right, So when they take their breaks,

673
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.280
they have to have their weapons on them at all time.

674
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.199
Obviously they're not supposed to sleep. They have to be

675
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.400
as visualant as they can. But you know, cops do

676
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.199
cops do. Sometimes people do things on the job they're

677
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.760
not supposed to do. So one individual will tell the

678
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.679
other one, I'm gonna take a nap real quick, wake

679
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.079
me up if any of the you know, higher ups

680
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.920
come by whatever. So the one's like all right. So

681
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.000
they're hanging out and next thing you know, they notice

682
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.119
that their truck starts to go down like towards the back,

683
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.960
and as one guy looks through the rear view mirror,

684
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.800
he sees like the silhouette of something sitting in the

685
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.239
back of his truck, and so he tells the other guy, Hey,

686
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.679
there's somebody sitting in the back now. Not to go

687
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:45.920
into too much detail, every flight in a flight is

688
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.599
essentially a group of people that handle a shift for

689
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.159
a certain time. Every flight has to do what they

690
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.920
call an exercise, like the exercise scenario, and that's to

691
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.960
keep us, you know, on our toes and to keep

692
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.199
the knowledge in case something goes down, we know what

693
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.920
to do. So usually the flight chiefs, the person who

694
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.400
I call the head coach of that group that flight,

695
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.599
he has to run that or if he's not working

696
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.159
that day, his assistant will run it, usually to another

697
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.039
what they call a non commissioned officer. That assistant can't

698
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.760
do it. Usually every flight has what they call an officer,

699
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.280
which is usually like a lieutenant. He'll run it so

700
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.760
automatically they thought it was like an exercise, and they

701
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.599
call it on the radio, Hey, is there an exercise

702
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.519
going on? The control who gets receives these calls calls

703
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.920
calls them back on the radio. And says, no, there's

704
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.400
no exercise. What's going on, And so they begin to explain, hey,

705
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.440
there's somebody sitting on the back of our truck. We

706
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.119
don't know who it is. That the exercise. Next thing,

707
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:44.840
you know, this thing jumps off the car, returns back

708
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.840
to its basic form, and it starts running through the desert.

709
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:52.159
So then it goes from it not being an exercise

710
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.239
to now this actual real world. That means there's somebody

711
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.159
on the bas an intruder. So now they're dispatching controls

712
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.239
to specific area where this thing was. Now this is

713
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.840
happening on one side of Area Too, now Area two.

714
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.039
Like if I had to describe it, it looks like

715
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.960
the shape of like New York City. It's elongated, so

716
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.920
it's probably maybe you know, three four miles one way

717
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.920
and maybe like five six miles another way. So on

718
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:20.480
one side of Area Too, you have this patrol that

719
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.920
called this thing in. Another patrol is chasing this thing.

720
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.400
And then another call comes in on the other side

721
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.760
that they're seeing two people running through the desert. So

722
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.039
this goes on, like I said, for hours to the

723
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.639
wee hours of the morning, where they're chasing these things

724
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:41.000
that are jumping behind vehicles. They're shining flashlights and they

725
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:44.360
don't see anything. They chase things into a building, they

726
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.000
search the whole building, talked about them. Nothing's in there.

727
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.159
Next day, flight chief comes in, it says, this never happened.

728
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.239
Don't talk about it. You'll get in trouble, essentially. And

729
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.159
it's not the first time that happened to happened. I

730
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:58.880
think like two or three times at the Bay, so

731
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.400
that those types things happened at.

732
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.519
Like mellis, wait, are you going to get in trouble?

733
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.280
No, I mean I've been out for so long and

734
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.679
oh okay, I mean people talk about all the time.

735
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:12.719
You know, I got out in two thousand and two,

736
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.800
so I'm good and if they want to come get me,

737
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.880
it's only going to prove my point. So well, I

738
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:18.159
don't know.

739
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:20.519
I don't know a lot of the military. And so

740
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.679
is it after a certain period of time that you

741
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.519
can start talking about stuff.

742
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.519
For I think it's like twenty years.

743
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:27.599
Oh okay, so you're good.

744
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.679
I should be good, man. I'm not worried about it.

745
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:33.599
Not the first guy on this podcast to spill some

746
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:37.800
military secrets, So that's weird. So you think maybe shadow

747
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.079
people or you have no idea what it was.

748
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.159
That's that's what they were calling them. They were calling

749
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.960
them the shadow, you know, and and the description was

750
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.960
that they were like seven eight feet tall, like you know.

751
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.920
It's funny because they the description back then was what

752
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.440
you would call like the hat man or what is

753
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:02.119
that thing that that pasta very elongated looking character.

754
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.800
Well, hat man or slender man probably that's it.

755
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:12.320
Slender manish, like very slender manish, you know, very uncharacteristic,

756
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:14.920
you know. And I mean I've seen stuff like that,

757
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.119
you know what I mean, Like I've seen that in

758
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.119
you know, past residences, and you know, when I did

759
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.679
work at NILS, I had a few experiences with those

760
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.880
things or whatever they are. So I mean, you know, yeah,

761
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.960
those things happen. They're real, you know.

762
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.159
That's so wild. And then the wildest part is this

763
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.800
never happened. Don't talk about it, but you mentioned it

764
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.400
a little bit. But I want to. I want to

765
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.920
get into it. To tell me what is cat Man.

766
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.039
I'm really curious about what. I haven't heard of cat

767
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:49.800
Man yet.

768
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.559
Okay, So I knew about cat Man when I first

769
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.239
got to Ellis. I didn't hear about cat Man until

770
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.079
the beginning of this year on another podcast towards the

771
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.840
end of that show, because they were talking about another

772
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.840
topic and this person decided, oh, let me tell you

773
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.519
about this thing. And this person worked in the Vegas area,

774
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.960
just I don't know where they worked. They weren't. They

775
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.800
were kind of cryptic about what where they worked and

776
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:20.039
what type of job they had. I want to say

777
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.159
they were working Air National Guard because they didn't just

778
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.000
stay straight up military Air Force. But they could have

779
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.639
worked like you know, DD, maybe out there Department of Defense.

780
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.679
But this person brought up Catman. That's the only other

781
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:36.119
person that I've heard of that brought up cat Man

782
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.840
when it pertains to the battle. So when I first

783
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:43.719
got to the base, first off, how I got to

784
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.559
the base and everything leading up to how I got

785
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.760
to the base is you know, weird in of itself.

786
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.119
That's the story of my life essentially, like the weirdest

787
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.119
craft happens to me. I don't know why, and people

788
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.039
don't believe me until I explain to them and they're like,

789
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.480
holy cow, how did that happen? But anyway, I want

790
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.719
up getting to Nevada and I want to you know,

791
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.559
getting you know, Nella's Air Force Base as my duty station,

792
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.280
So I didn't realize that I'm in like where Area

793
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.280
sixty one is. For some reason, it just didn't hit

794
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.599
me until I had my first experience like two months later,

795
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.800
you know, that one experience with the triangle, you know,

796
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.079
lights in the pattern. I started to do like research.

797
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.800
You know, I had to be careful because obviously they

798
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.480
don't want you doing that specifically if you're in uniform.

799
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.280
You know, they don't want you touching any of those topics.

800
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.599
But I remember having a conversation with the coworker and

801
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.960
telling me about this this thing called Catman. Okay, so

802
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.320
what's Catman? Catman is this scripted that looks like a

803
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.360
cat and it's bipedal, but it can go on all

804
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.400
fours and it's been running around like the Knell's testing

805
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:55.280
range for years. Okay. That was the first like story

806
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.119
that I heard or account that I heard. At first.

807
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:02.039
It's it sounded stupid catman, you know, like Bigfoot. I

808
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.159
mean that's been you know, people have been talking about

809
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.199
a few years. But you can use the train sasquatch

810
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:07.800
if you don't want to sound stupid. I guess right,

811
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.199
you know. And then you know where wolf, Like, the

812
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:13.800
term dog man didn't exist back then. Nobody was saying

813
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:18.000
dog man, you know, so here in Campman it was

814
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.159
kind of like a joke to me, even though I

815
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.199
was into like paranormal but it was kind of stupid,

816
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:27.760
and it wasn't until like it was an individual. I'll

817
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.679
say his first name. I can't say his last name,

818
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.280
but his first name is Toby. He worked at main

819
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.800
base in law enforcement. So main base had law enforcement

820
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.480
and they had some security because they had a flight

821
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:39.679
line over there. And then like I said, Area two,

822
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.199
which was probably a couple of miles from the main base,

823
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:46.159
was just all security, right, so sometimes they would flip

824
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.760
flop like meaning they would send people from you know,

825
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.480
Area two to main base to fill in spots towards

826
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.480
law enforce meet and vice versa. So they wound up

827
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.039
not sending him to do a couple of jobs. They

828
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.000
completely transferred him over, which he was because he wanted

829
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.400
he wanted to be a cop and he wanted to

830
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.119
get as much you know, experience being a cop law

831
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.360
enforcement in the military before he went on to be

832
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.519
like an actual cop. So they transferred him over and

833
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.679
then you know, we became friends, and there were times

834
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.719
where him and I would be on post together and

835
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.599
we just have like these crazy conversations.

836
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.119
Big for a society, who would be right back after

837
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:21.880
these messages.

838
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:41.239
So at the time, his wife was working for the

839
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.079
National Guard out there, and I believe that they were

840
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.559
somewhere the National Guard station was somewhere between Las Vegas

841
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:54.159
and Perumph, maybe maybe Rachel Nevada, I'm not sure, but

842
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:57.119
somewhere in the realm they had like their own guard

843
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.840
station and she would have to go out, you know,

844
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:03.840
I don't think once or twice a month and do work. Apparently,

845
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:09.800
her partner told her that his uncle did contract work

846
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.960
for Area fifty one and has to build this sort

847
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:18.840
of like like this huge cage right to house something

848
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.960
in it. They didn't tell the uncle, you know, too

849
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.519
much detail because they leave things out for obvious reasons.

850
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:30.039
They don't want people like contractors that are from the

851
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:33.760
outside to start running their mouth about what they're working on.

852
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.400
So it's always like the right hand doesn't know what

853
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.559
the left hand's doing, understand, you know. So they'll only

854
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.920
tell a person so much just so they can get

855
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:43.960
the job done, pay them, get them up, you know,

856
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:46.039
and then if they need them again, they'll call them

857
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:47.360
and have them do it again. So he had to

858
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.559
build like this sort of like call it like almost

859
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.960
like an encampment sort of thing, like this cage. I

860
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:56.840
don't know how many miles wide or whatever, but he

861
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.400
wound up building it. He was allowed to go into

862
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.679
every fifty one into the chow hall in there to eat.

863
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.079
The description was that when you get inside the chow hall,

864
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.239
all the windows are blocked out because they do like

865
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.360
experiments with things, and they don't want people seeing anything.

866
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:17.360
When you're getting your food, you have to be a

867
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.719
certain distance away from the person in front of you

868
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:24.039
so that you don't spark conversation. Okay, So apparently he

869
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.840
was in line getting his food and one of the

870
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:32.440
individuals who works there, I don't know if it was

871
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.800
like an engineer or something, one of having a conversation

872
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.760
with him one's supposed to, and he asked him, are

873
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.599
you the one that built that encampment? And you know,

874
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.239
he kind of noded his head because he really wasn't

875
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.480
trying to talk. And so the guy told him the

876
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.039
reason why they built his encampment is because they were

877
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.960
The military is involved in this hybridization program. Okay, so

878
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.840
hang with me, Jeremiah. Supposedly this hybridization program is to

879
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:03.880
create like these weapons. Right. These weapons have to do

880
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.599
with like mixing the DNA of animals to create like

881
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.159
this weapon. Right, So essentially what do they call the chimeras. Essentially,

882
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:17.280
so they mixed these DNA and they mess with these

883
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.280
animals to try to create and control them to use

884
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.000
them as weapons. And so that was the reason why

885
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:26.119
this guy built this sort of cage or this encampment,

886
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:30.000
because they wanted to throw this thing that they created

887
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.119
in there, throw animals in there to see it's hunting

888
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.199
patterns and see how they can possibly control it. And

889
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:41.559
so one day they called this the Uncle back and say, hey,

890
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:43.639
we need you to make some repairs on the fence.

891
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.000
So when he showed up, there was like a hole

892
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:49.480
in the fence, but it wasn't a hole where it

893
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.320
was going inward. It was a hole that was going outward.

894
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.000
So something busted out of it, so they asked them

895
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.960
to fix that up. So supposedly this is a creature

896
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.239
of creatures that are running around you know, the Another's

897
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.679
testing range, that have like the look of like a cat,

898
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:10.920
but like I said, I believe that it could be

899
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:15.119
something that's connected to this hyender crypto you've been wanting

900
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:18.800
to know about, or it could be a misidentified dog man.

901
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.719
So let me make another connection, if you'll mind. Have

902
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.840
you heard of Kenny Leach? I think that's what his

903
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:25.920
name is. Have you heard of that?

904
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.440
Wow, this is all This is all great because it's

905
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.639
all new stuff for me, So go right ahead.

906
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.480
Okay, So when you get a chance to look that up.

907
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.360
This individual, I think his name is Kenny Leach. He's

908
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:40.679
a hiker, lived in Nevada, and he would hike all over,

909
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:44.400
like the trails and the mountains all over Nevada. So

910
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.400
one day he goes into this area he's never really

911
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.960
been before, and he finds like this cave that's kind

912
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.480
of shaped like an M and it really got his attention.

913
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.440
So he started walking walking towards it, and for whatever reason,

914
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.840
he stopped and he felt like this this pressure on

915
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.079
his chest and he didn't know what it was, and

916
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.400
they kind of scared him, so he wound up leaving.

917
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.880
He had his own YouTube channel at the time, and

918
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:12.239
it still exists. If I'm not mistaken, you might you

919
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.440
probably can see these videos yourself. But he starts talking

920
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:20.519
about this m cave and the situation had happened because

921
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.840
you have trolls all over the internet. There was trolls

922
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:24.239
that were hitting them up and like oh, they were

923
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:27.039
calling him a liar and you know the blah. So

924
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:29.440
he said, all right, I'm gonna go with the camera

925
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.519
this time and I'm going to show you this M cave.

926
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.719
So he wound up going on this trip and he disappeared.

927
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.119
Nobody knows where he went, and there's been people that

928
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.039
have been trying to follow his traps to see if

929
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:44.800
they could find this M cave. And I believe a

930
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.119
couple of people maybe have found the mkave, but they

931
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.039
haven't gone in there. Now. Listening to other podcasts and

932
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.119
all that stuff, people have tried to break things down

933
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.840
and some people say that the reason why he had

934
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.760
that feeling on his chest because it was possibly infrasound

935
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.800
from each from from some sort of creature encryptid. Also

936
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.079
in some of his videos that he that he's done

937
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.000
where he wasn't looking for the m K but he

938
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.840
was just out there just looking around and he found

939
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.920
other caves. Some people say that they can see like

940
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.639
eyeshine coming out of some of those caves. But that

941
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:20.280
would be something that you would have to probably look

942
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.480
into a little bit more, you know, because I mean

943
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.639
it could be just you know, parodolia. You know, it

944
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:27.679
looks like eyes, but it's not really. It's maybe a

945
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.239
reflection of a rock or something. But Kenny vat yet

946
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:35.119
he's kind of somewhat connected to that, you know. And

947
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.920
then if you if you look on the map of

948
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.159
like Vegas, and you put a dot where nellis Air

949
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.480
Force Bass, and then you put a dot at this

950
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.400
other air Force base, which again I told you not

951
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.239
a lot of people talk about. It's called Creech air

952
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.760
Force Base Creach and it's they used to call it

953
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.639
Indian Springs. And then you put a dot where these

954
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.119
this it's called Snake Mountain. This is around the area

955
00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:02.440
where Kenny Reats disappeared. It forms a triangle. Okay, probably nothing.

956
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.679
I mean, you could probably make a triangle out of

957
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.280
anything if you put dots in certain spots. But I'm

958
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.559
just saying like they're all connected. People don't realize that,

959
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:14.760
Like the Knells Testing range is huge. To me, my

960
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:18.360
opinion is my words. I feel like the military pretty

961
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:22.519
much owns like Nevada. I think the Nulls testing ranges

962
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.679
like all of Nevada, okay, because I mean they own

963
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.920
a lot of land out there, and that includes area

964
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.960
fifty one, that includes this place they call ESPORI where

965
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.800
Bob Zaza all that. I feel like that's all connected,

966
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.000
you know. And for sure there's underground systems because when

967
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.719
I was working an area too, we had these things

968
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.400
called culverts, right, and they had like these these piping

969
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.559
systems that would I was told went from inside the

970
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.519
area to outside the area. But no, they didn't just

971
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.280
go outside the area. They went underground. They were facing downward,

972
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.039
going down into the ground. So why would they have

973
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.840
these tunnels that go into the ground if they don't

974
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.639
have an underground system or you know what I mean?

975
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:14.519
That is wild. I mean it's way outside of like

976
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.280
what I usually look into. But it's just fascinating, this

977
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.239
whole catman thing. Because I did a quick search, I

978
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.400
can't find anything about this cat man. Like if listeners

979
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:26.920
know more about it, put it in the comments.

980
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.400
Yeah, I would please if you can send anybody my

981
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.159
way about it, or if they could talk to you

982
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.400
about it. I would love to hear more about it

983
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.840
because I know, and I don't know much about it

984
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.719
other than that. Also, let me tell you another story

985
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.719
having to do with possible catman. So I'm working on

986
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:50.199
armory one night and I'm in a building inside of

987
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:54.880
a room, so I'm like really deep inside of like

988
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:59.400
a building, right, So the main building you walk in,

989
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.119
that's where all of the troops come to arm up.

990
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.440
My job is to arm up the troops that are

991
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.480
coming on to shift, and then the shift that's leading

992
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.840
to take their equipment and weapons, making sure that they're

993
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:14.639
in good shape and whatnot. They don't give me, you know,

994
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.599
messed up weapons and equipment, and then I just hang out.

995
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.559
I do work inside of the armory, whether it's like

996
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.800
clounting animal or cleaning weapons or anything along those lines.

997
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.360
But one night I'm in there, I have the radio

998
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.119
on and I hear like commotion in the main room

999
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:36.119
where people arm up. I'm hearing yelling and streaming. So

1000
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:38.119
I open up like the gate because we have like

1001
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:39.679
the gate you have to open up where we receive

1002
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:44.760
the weapon blah blah blah. And one individual I know,

1003
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.679
and the other individual was like a newer troop. He

1004
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:52.000
was pretty much like a one stripe air Essentially, he's

1005
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.960
sitting on the chair. He looks white as he goes.

1006
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.440
He has his head down, and the other person that

1007
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.960
I know is telling the other person that that really happened,

1008
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.679
blah blah blah. So I'm asking them, like what's going on?

1009
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:05.440
And I thought it was like an exercise, that they

1010
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.119
were doing excise and they were trying to involve me

1011
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.039
because I know that the flight chief sometimes likes to

1012
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:14.719
involve anybody, but before he involves the armory, he has

1013
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:16.320
to call the army and let them know. He can't

1014
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.480
just do an exercise and involve the armory because we

1015
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.199
have our own protocols, right, So I'm thinking, is this

1016
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.360
an exercise? How come I wasn't called blah blah blah,

1017
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:26.599
And these guys are like, no, there's not an exercise.

1018
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.119
And then I noticed the two guys that are sitting

1019
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.840
in there. They're not supposed to be inside of the

1020
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.400
area too. They're supposed to be the outside community patrol.

1021
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:39.239
It's called OSCAR patrol. So for some reason they can't inside,

1022
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.199
and I'm wondering what they're doing inside there means there's

1023
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:46.960
nobody outside, you know, garden. They came in because they

1024
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:50.360
were on one of these bluffs that overlook the backside

1025
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.079
of the area too, and as they were about to

1026
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.039
back out to leave, they heard this roar or what

1027
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:59.280
they call a scream roar, that's what they described it,

1028
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.119
that shook the hum v that they were in, and

1029
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.760
they almost drove off the side of the cliffs, which

1030
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.079
would have killed them, but they wound up like you know,

1031
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.960
getting out of there. And then one damil decided, I'm

1032
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.039
going home for the night. I don't feel well. And

1033
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.400
then the other one said he wanted to switch his

1034
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.559
post and he wound up having to switch his post.

1035
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.039
So that's a possible catman or some sort of cryptid

1036
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.000
thing that happened. But I'm not.

1037
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:29.840
Sure, dude, I'll bets are off after hearing about potential

1038
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:33.519
chimeric catman. I mean, who knows what kind of creature

1039
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:35.920
that could have been. But if it's enough to shake

1040
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.199
a humvee, my goodness.

1041
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.679
Yeah, Because I mean these cryptids, you hear, like even

1042
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:47.400
with like Sasquad, they their vocals project so strongly that

1043
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.320
they shake things, you know, shake wing nails and stuff

1044
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.159
like that. So who knows what this was? And there

1045
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:56.360
are bigfoot out in Vegas. I mean and that are

1046
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.679
not in Vegas like gambling or anything. But I'm just saying, like,

1047
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.559
there's people that have set out in the Sierra Nevadas

1048
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:05.519
and all that that they see, you know, bigfoots out there.

1049
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:09.039
So absolutely who knows, who knows Jeremont, who knows? You know,

1050
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:11.400
let me tell you one more epperience because I don't

1051
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.719
want to. I don't want to. Like, this is something

1052
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.719
that happened again while I was in Florida, but it

1053
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:17.519
didn't happen to me. It happened to a friend of mine.

1054
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:19.800
Okay at the time.

1055
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.360
Okay, this is like really quick. Okay, So this individual

1056
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.199
that I used to hang out with is not into

1057
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:29.599
the paranormal at all, like they He knows I'm into

1058
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.800
the paranorm but he's not into it. He never talks

1059
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.719
about it. I would bring up, hey, did you see

1060
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:36.199
this doctum? You should see this documentary. This documentary is cool,

1061
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.239
but he's not into any of that stuff. It's happened

1062
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.679
like around twenty twelve. Okay, so at the time he

1063
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.159
was working for a pharmaceutical company in this sort of

1064
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.800
industrial like area. But again in Florida, you have areas

1065
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:56.280
of work, areas of swamp areas of areas where people

1066
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:58.880
live area, you know, swamp area. It's all mixed in

1067
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.719
and they're all connected. So he would go to the

1068
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.360
back very frequently to smoke because he was a smoker.

1069
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.480
And in the back there was probably like a gate

1070
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.360
which separated the swamp from you know, from the job.

1071
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:14.119
And he said there was like this really huge retention pond,

1072
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:15.960
and every time he would go back there, he would

1073
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.320
see like the gators swimming and chasing after each other,

1074
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.639
you know. So one day he said he went back there,

1075
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.320
and he called me right after this happened. But he

1076
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:29.280
said he went back there and something told him to

1077
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:33.199
look in the specific area and it was high, you know,

1078
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:36.480
high like shrubbery or brush that was probably like six

1079
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:38.599
or seven feet tall, and there was this one tree

1080
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.480
and next thing, you know, something steps out of the tree.

1081
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.760
And he said all he could see was like a shoulder,

1082
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.679
a chest, and part of like maybe abs and it

1083
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:51.440
stood there literally for like five six seconds, and then

1084
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.119
it went right back in. And he told me, like

1085
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:57.519
lost his you know what, he lost his mind, calls

1086
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.320
me up. I can't understand what he's He's like yelling,

1087
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.320
he's saying, am I crazy, He's saying all these weird things.

1088
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.320
And then he finally explained it to me, like what

1089
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.639
it was. And I was like, was it a horse?

1090
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:11.880
And he's like, why would a horse be in the swamp?

1091
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:14.679
Asked him if it was a bear. He said, the

1092
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.960
shoulder of this thing was manly. He said it was

1093
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.679
like a man's, like like a ripped man's shoulder. He

1094
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:25.480
said it was like you could see the biceps of it.

1095
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:28.519
He said you couldn't see the hand because there was

1096
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.920
like shrubbery covering it kind of, but he said that

1097
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:33.880
it was a part of a chest. He was like,

1098
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.440
whatever this was was like a hulk, he explained, it

1099
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:42.440
like a brown hulk, like a cinnamon brown hulk.

1100
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.400
That is so strange.

1101
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.679
This is in central Florida. But I've talked to people

1102
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.000
like I've talked to David Adoity. I don't know if

1103
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.199
you're aware of David's adity. He's a researcher out here

1104
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:01.320
in Florida. Stacy Brown Junior. I talked to him and

1105
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.039
he confirms, for sure, in central Florida there's tons of

1106
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.039
like little pockets, little groups of skunk cape out here

1107
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:10.239
in Central Florida.

1108
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:14.400
Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

1109
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.239
Not just in like in the Everglades or let's say

1110
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.920
like an o'calla natural park where there's been fightings. But

1111
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.440
you know, in Cassimi is the history of skunk capes

1112
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.320
and Cassimi going way back to like the ninth early

1113
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:47.480
nineteen hundreds, you know, So they're out here. It's just

1114
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.159
people who probably have seen them and they just don't

1115
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.559
report them because they think that people aren't going to

1116
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:53.880
believe them and things like that.

1117
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.400
You know, Well, if anyone would know, it would be

1118
01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:00.000
Stacy Brown Junior. For sure. He's he's got his eyes

1119
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:05.280
is everywhere down there, that guy is. He's a wild dude, Chris,

1120
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:10.559
can I can I ask you one more question, just

1121
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.960
because I've been looking at this thing in your email

1122
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.320
that you put in and I can't let you go

1123
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.000
if you can at least talk a few minutes about it.

1124
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:22.119
You said that you have a feeling that you may

1125
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.519
have seen a werewolf about six months ago.

1126
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:31.679
Yeah, about six seven months ago. Man, Okay, So I

1127
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.199
don't understand, Like again, don't I don't manifest these things.

1128
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.039
I don't call for these things to happen to me.

1129
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.159
I've never called for these things to happen to me,

1130
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.280
but after they happen, I just don't have any answer

1131
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.320
as to why, you know why. Maybe one day I'll

1132
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.840
find out. I don't know, but anyway, I'm a very

1133
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.920
habitual person. And it could be because maybe I'm autistic

1134
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.039
and I don't know it, because there was no such

1135
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:57.480
thing as autism when I was growing up. But I'm

1136
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.639
very patronistic. I do things in patterns, and I'd just

1137
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:03.320
like to do things a certain way. And I'm not

1138
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.000
really a fan of change too much unless it makes

1139
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.199
sense to me. So this is when I was living

1140
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:10.519
at the house prior to what I'm living at now.

1141
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.360
The house that I was living prior my wife and

1142
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:17.000
I owned. You know, the market was good for us

1143
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:20.239
and we wound up selling it. But I would drive

1144
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:24.559
to work the same route and then drive home the

1145
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:28.679
exact same route. Okay, So if anybody wants to look

1146
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.840
up on them, not this area. I'm telling you there's

1147
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:36.960
something in this area in East Orlando near UCF University

1148
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.760
of Central Florida. There's a lot of like patches of

1149
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:44.639
swamp lands in there, particularly in this area where it's

1150
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:48.599
called j Blanchard Park area off of Rause Road. Okay,

1151
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.679
so I lived off of Ralphs Road, but probably about

1152
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.280
three four miles from the park, and I would take

1153
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:59.719
Ralps Road all the time. Hit this boulevard, Colled University Boulevard.

1154
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:02.800
That boulevard, if you go one way, it runs right

1155
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:05.400
into the UCF and if you go the opposite ways,

1156
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:09.639
that's where I would go to work. Jay Blanchard Park

1157
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:13.400
itself is a park mixed with the swamp. Like literally

1158
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.639
you can be jogging and then you have a retention

1159
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:19.239
pond right next the way you're jogging and gets just

1160
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:23.679
right there hanging out. No problem. Right from what I know,

1161
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.480
there hasn't been any incident of anybody getting injured. You

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01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:29.599
have people literally picnicking right on the edge of that

1163
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.440
retention pond with gators, like right there, no problems. Right

1164
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:39.320
across from that retention pond is heavily swamp and that

1165
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.760
runs all the way from Rouse Road the backside all

1166
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.039
the way to this other park called Dean and then

1167
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:50.559
it runs diagonally across towards University Boulevard and there's like

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01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.320
this little bridge area where water goes like underneath. I

1169
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:56.360
don't know if it's like a sort of creek and

1170
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.920
it continues on it. So there's nothing but nass swamp

1171
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:05.559
area there, and there's these little side streets on Ross Road.

1172
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:08.159
Now I just took the main roads. I took Raus

1173
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:11.920
University Bangal left to go to work. I'm my way back.

1174
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.119
I hit University Bangle right on Raus Go straight towards

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01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:20.000
my house. For about a week, they were doing work

1176
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.000
on University Boulevard on the road, and so they were

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01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:28.519
courting off certain lanes and that would cause like heavy traffic.

1178
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:30.920
So after about a week of this, like I kind

1179
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:33.000
of got tired and I really just wanted to go home,

1180
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:35.599
and I decided, oh, there's a street coming up that

1181
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.440
I can kind of cut across and then take another

1182
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.480
side road, you know, as a shortcut to get home.

1183
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:44.760
So I wound up busting or right on Dean Road,

1184
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:47.880
which is part of that area that I talked about.

1185
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:50.599
But somebody else had the same idea as me. There

1186
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:52.440
was a car that was in front of me, about

1187
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:55.960
maybe twenty car links ahead of me. There's kind of

1188
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.719
like a goldish cream like car, so it's like twenty

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01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.920
twenty carlings ahead of me. So I bust my right.

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01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.039
It's already like ahead of me. It's about to make

1191
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:09.360
this left on a road called Buck Road. Now, anybody

1192
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.320
can do this if they want you. They can look

1193
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:15.719
up Jay Blanchard Park, Central Florida and look it up

1194
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.360
on a map like aerial view, and you'll see that

1195
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:22.880
there's so much swampy lands there. Anything could be in there. Anything.

1196
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.199
So when I make my left on Buck Road, this

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01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.719
car is significantly ahead of me. So I'm starting to

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01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.320
somewhat catch up to it. And we're about like halfway

1199
01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:38.440
between Buck Road and that shortcut to hit Rouse Road

1200
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.320
right because I'm taking a shortcut right, I'm about to

1201
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.880
make my right on not about you, but I would

1202
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.119
be making a right on Rous Road to them head home.

1203
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:50.960
All of a sudden, the car in front of me

1204
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:54.079
slows down for a little bit, like slows down, and

1205
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.880
then just takes off. Okay, now that's not the first

1206
01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.400
time I've ever seen something like that, because people tend

1207
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:03.159
to use their phones a lot when they're driving and

1208
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:05.199
they don't realize that they're slowing down or maybe that

1209
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:07.599
they're speeding up. So in my mind, I'm thinking this

1210
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:09.760
car slowed down because maybe they were doing something with

1211
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:11.480
the phone and they realized they had to take off

1212
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:13.920
and go somewhere or whatever. But it slowed down and

1213
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.280
then it just took off. So as I'm approaching the

1214
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.639
same area that this car was at again, it's like

1215
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:23.920
a wall of like nothing but you know, swamp land, tree, shrubbery,

1216
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.159
and then it opens up and you can see somewhat

1217
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.599
of a field. And as I'm driving and Jeremiah, this

1218
01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.639
is like literally a seven second incident, but a lot

1219
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:37.360
happened in the seven seconds. As I'm driving and I

1220
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:39.639
look over. I don't know why I looked over, but

1221
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.119
I looked over. There's a little bit of an open field.

1222
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:46.920
There's something standing there. So all I notice is pointy ears,

1223
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.400
mouth open with fanes. I noticed somewhat of a tour

1224
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:56.159
so I noticed two legs, not four, but two. So

1225
01:06:56.280 --> 01:07:00.440
whatever this is is standing on two legs, okay, and

1226
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:08.719
it's clinging in colors okay. So in my head I'm thinking, stump, No,

1227
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.960
it's this somebody playing a joke, like in some sort

1228
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.159
of costume, you know, because mind you, I'm in a

1229
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:19.280
vehicle and I drive a Nissan and it's not high

1230
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:22.920
off the ground. So this was above the car because

1231
01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:25.199
I had to look up at it. This was above

1232
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:29.880
the car, and it's probably about twenty feet away from

1233
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:34.840
me into you know, into this like field, okay, And

1234
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.960
even in that seven seconds, I noticed slight movement and

1235
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:42.360
I attribute that to it breathing, like breeding in and out,

1236
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.599
like the slight movement of it. And then I mean

1237
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:48.880
I came to my senses because I'm realizing there was

1238
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:51.039
a car that was ahead of me, and I don't

1239
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:53.280
know where that car is right now. So if I

1240
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:57.239
rear end this car, then I'm stuck and this car

1241
01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:00.639
stuck with whatever that is. So I had to like

1242
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.039
snap out of it and then realize, Okay, the car's

1243
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.880
significantly ahead of me, and it's already made its turn

1244
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:09.440
on rouse like like I was gonna make my turn,

1245
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:11.880
and then I just kind of just took off. You know.

1246
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:16.039
I wasn't scared because I'm in the car going forward

1247
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:19.520
at like forty miles an hour, you know. And the

1248
01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:26.159
feeling I got is the first car saw it, it

1249
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:30.359
got surprised because it got seen by this car it

1250
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:32.680
was about to like maybe tink off. And then I

1251
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:35.079
come by and I see it too, So it's kind

1252
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:39.760
of like Oh crap, I've been seen, so I don't

1253
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:41.960
think it would have made me chased me or anything

1254
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:45.399
like that. You know. My fear more was, like I said,

1255
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:47.760
hitting the car possibly in front of me, or hitting

1256
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.640
something or hitting somebody, and then I'm stuck with whatever

1257
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:52.479
this thing is.

1258
01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:57.800
That's wild. I think the wildest part is that you

1259
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.800
had to look up at it where you were situated

1260
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:06.079
in the car. That's so crazy, man, dude.

1261
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:09.680
I mean, like, I would never thought in the Millionaires,

1262
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.119
even with any of my other experiences, that I would

1263
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:14.920
see something like that, because even though I've heard like

1264
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.800
accounts from this show and other shows, and I do

1265
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.279
believe that there's something out there, and never thought in

1266
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:24.359
the Millionaires that I would see it in the daytime. Nonetheless,

1267
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:27.720
because this is like five twenty pm and the sun

1268
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.079
is still out, so this thing is out in the daytime,

1269
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:30.880
you know what I mean.

1270
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:38.600
Yeah, that's crazy. So open mouth, teeth all that.

1271
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:41.840
Chest, Yes, man, Yeah.

1272
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.640
Say the name of the park again, please, J.

1273
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:51.239
Blanchard. So that's J A Y B L A N

1274
01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:55.279
C H A R D J. Blanchard Park. Listen up

1275
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.560
and off off of Rouse Road R O U S

1276
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.760
E R O a d ross road in central Florida

1277
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.119
and look on the map and you'll see that area.

1278
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:08.039
There is something definitely out there. But this is this

1279
01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:10.399
is you go. You drive through Florida, and I would

1280
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:12.359
imagine it's the same thing like if you drive through

1281
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:16.279
like Pennsylvania. You know, if you're from Pennsylvania, you probably

1282
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.600
don't notice these things because you're thinking about every day

1283
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:22.159
life whatever. But just how much terrain is out there

1284
01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:26.199
where you don't see people coming in and out of

1285
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.239
there where? Okay, So I feel like in Pennsylvania or

1286
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.479
somewhere like the Pacific Northwest, let's say, like a person

1287
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:34.520
can drive off the side of the road and just

1288
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.479
go hiking those type of places. You can't do that

1289
01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:40.680
in Florida. You can't do that. In Florida. You can't

1290
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.680
walk into like some sort of marshy, swampy area because

1291
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.680
you know, you're not just worried about maybe like a

1292
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.039
big cats or bear, you're worried about gators and snakes

1293
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:54.119
and possibly falling into a retention upon and drowning. You

1294
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.439
don't have that in like Cali or in Pennsylvania. Like

1295
01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:58.279
I'm pretty sure you have lakes and creeks there, but

1296
01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.920
it's not. I don't think it's at a point where

1297
01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:01.680
you wal, can you take the one step right? Next thing?

1298
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:04.199
You know, you're in water and if you disball the

1299
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:07.720
water in Pennsylvania, there's what's going to beat you. You

1300
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:09.920
know what I mean? Absolutely, you're going to eat you

1301
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:12.479
intality or any of these places. Well, you got gators

1302
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:16.119
don't eat right right, get you? You know what I say?

1303
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:21.079
Chris, an incredible chat. Thank you so much for coming on.

1304
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:25.039
And man, we I think we've talked about things that

1305
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:28.800
have never been talked about on this podcast before. And listeners,

1306
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:34.880
if you know anything about Catman from Nellis Testing Range,

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01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.359
Any stuff from this episode that you know stuff about.

1310
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.159
Put it. Let's put some comments on the video and

1311
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:51.199
let's get some conversation going. But Chris, this has been

1312
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.479
a super fun time. Thank you so much for coming on.

1313
01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:56.520
Man. Yeah, this was awesome and honestly I appreciate it.

1314
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:58.319
You're doing a great job on your show. I think

1315
01:11:58.319 --> 01:11:59.600
it's awesome. Don't change.

1316
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:01.800
Thanks, Thank you, Chris, I appreciate that you have a

1317
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:02.199
great night.

1318
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:04.039
Man, All right, mommy.

1319
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:07.800
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