It Followed Me off The Mountain! | Virginia

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0:40 I've got the privilege of talking to Ryan again. Ryan was on the show a few months back about some things he had experienced and he had reached out again that there have been other things that have been part of that in just wanting to share those as well. But Ryan, welcome back to the show. How's it going man. It's going great. Dere may thank you for let me tell my story. Absolutely, Ran, we were just talking a few minutes ago. Would you mind in case people haven't heard the first episode.

1:21 Maybe giving a summary of what you had shared or experienced, and then I guess we can lead right into what you're wanting to share today. Yeah, yeah, sure, I guess. The first time I talked to you was about the only thing that had happened at that time was walking my dogs in the mountains behind my house. And I had been watching videos, I guess, and diving into the subject a little bit, but I didn't think anything would happen. But I clacked three rocks together and I ended up walking my dogs about two miles up a mountain. I clacked the rocks at the bottom, and we walked about two miles and to the top of the mountain and turned around and I saw a big boulder. I threw a big rock and I hit the boulder basically echoed throughout the area, and then we came down the mountain. We came down pretty fast as a good road. I ended up losing my keys in some of this. I don't know how. I think I lost it coming down the road because we were kind of jogging. But I came back to my truck and the door was open, and I know I remember leaving it closed and making sure it was closed. I don't know if it was locked. It was supposed to be locked.

2:45 I tried to lock it, but maybe I didn't, I don't know, but it was about a foot open, and I loaded up my dogs. And as I was right after I loaded up my dogs, a rock came flying down from somewhere above me and hit in front of my truck and bounced. And at the time, I was just discovering that I lost my keys, so I was looking for my keys. Didn't think too much of it other than it was weird. And then I remember, I remember around that time I had decided to pretty much. I was looking for my keys, and then out of the corner of my eyes, a big rock came flying over my head and landed straight at my feet about five or six feet away, I don't remember exactly, and bounced, so I knew that was okay. That was the second rock.

3:42 There was something going on here. I turned around and I yelled, and I had vocalizations back at me, like I call them ape sounds I've got back to call I don't know what to call them, just like it was just a couple individuals felt like looking right at me, making apes sounds like oof, you know, not real loud, but there was a lot of water and water noise from the creek behind me. Anyway, at that point, I hadn't found my keys, and I let the dogs out, and as we decided to go down towards the end of the park because I wanted to get away from there whatever, these things were making this noise at me, and that was basically it. They vocalized that my dogs or at me, and they vocalized again. It felt like they were vocalizing to themselves, but it was. And we ended up running down the hill and I called for help and we took care of the situation as far as we got ourselves armed basically, and just walked the area and tried to find the keys. Never heard another thing.

4:56 The last thing I heard was them crash into the US and we searched for that and fixed the key situation by Colin Locke Smith and basically that was it, and I thought that was going to be it. And that's that was a quick synopsis of the story. I guess if I forgot anything, I don't know. I just a lot on my mind after everything has happened since, because you know, to me, that was just the beginning. I think that's a great summary of what we covered last time. And yeah, I would. Say, yeah, feel free to to get right into it. I know you you've told me some of this is it's hard to recount, but we will. We will definitely both get through this together.

5:42 So well, yeah, there's there's ten seconds of it. I don't like talking about. It still bothers me, So we'll get We'll get to that at the end because that was one of the last things to happen. Okay, So last summer I played guitar, and I played electric guitar, so I have ample and when the when the weather's good, I play out on my back porch. I live in the mountains, and you know, I can see a mountain range in my backyard. It's just about a mile a mile and a half away as the curve flies, maybe a lot of farm landing between me and my house. I sit out there and play guitar with my aunt turned up pretty high because I'm not bothering anybody, and my wife doesn't have to have echoing through the house. Well, one night last summer I was sitting out there and it was about nine thirty I remember because it was just a dark It was a nice summer this is just dark around nine thirty nine o'clock where it was pretty dark nine or ten, and a rock kept my left shoulder like in the back because I was playing guitar.

6:55 And it's just all that happened that day that night. But I blamed it on the neighbor kid like saying, please stop playing guitar, or you suck or something, and I just I wrote it off. I came out there in the morning and my whole porch is full of rocks, like thirty or forty of them. I guess I don't know a lot. And I was like, okay, wow, that was a little much unnecessary. So I just swept it off, and I told my wife that if something else happened out you know, we have a good relationship with the neighbors, and we were the new people on the block and we didn't want to cause any issues and everything was fine as long as they didn't keep doing it. So I said, if something else happened, I'll go talk to them. Well, I'm gonna fast forward to another night where the same thing playing guitar outside and we have on my property it's about say, about one hundred and fifty yards of my land where it comes up to farmland, which is right now. I has horses in it. I was playing guitar same thing, nine thirty ten o'clock at night. It was dark, and something walked from the start of my property to the all the way to the end of my property making a weird sing songy vocalization. I haven't

8:27 been able to find it anywhere. I don't know what it is. I was playing guitar loud. I heard over my guitar. I stopped, I listened to it, and I know as I stopped, it turned around at the end of my property and went very fast, but it felt like it was walking the other way making the same noise. So okay, that was very strange. It just went away. I don't know it stopped. That was very strange. So I didn't know what it was. It was odd and it was not on my property. It was just a weird animal, is what I wrote it off as. And I'm back to them in my thing playing guitar, and I remember after that there was another night where I was sitting in my front end watching TV and by my front door I heard what I thought was a cat making noise, and I opened up the door and it was that same sing songy vocal echoing off of my house and off of my neighbor's house, and so as soon as I went around the house, I heard it making the noise go very fast towards the back end of my property, and then nothing. So I know that night it was I don't know how long it was, But later I heard the same sing songy localization for

10:01 the third time. This time it was halfway between my house and the mountain, and it sounded like it was going towards the mountain. So this stuff happened, and I didn't know what it was, and I just attributed to I didn't know. I had thought bird. But then I was like, that's really strange at night and it's not moving and it keeps coming up to the house and making this weird noise. And then my experience happened where the rocks were thrown at me. So once that happened, and I knew what I had heard was not human, and there was just no question in my mind when I heard was just not It just didn't seem possible.

10:50 And that and where they were at it was a rocky, real rainy day, and it was a real rainy day, and it was a real rocky cliff or you know, and it just didn't seem possible. There was people up there throwing things at me. But so I was like, Okay, I'm gonna start looking. So I basically the next five months I ended up looking very hard, and it ended up becoming an upset underbsession. At times, I would take my dogs out there in the morning and we would walk around the peak and then we'd walk walk to the front side and then around the backside, like four miles.

11:37 I put my dog get tired of my dogs because I couldn't really look, so I'd put my dogs up and go get lunch, and then I'd go right back out there and start looking for Prince sign anything, just scouring the area. And I did this story for five months, and over this five months, several things happened and until it finally culmulated and one thing that just stopped me in my tracks and I stopped looking. And since I haven't looked since, but as of two nights ago, I'm still having activity. So I believe that by doing that, by walking around their mountain or where they're at that they had I had. Basically, they had gotten used to seeing me. I had gotten used to seeing them because things started happening. They would happen in flurries of activity.

12:34 But the second thing to happen was I guess the second thing that happened was it was I was walking out there one morning with my dogs, and my dogs alerted to something. I didn't know what it was, and there's something going across the road, according to my dogs. I'm just going for my dogs. She went ahead of me and around the curve there was a curve in the in the road. Around the curve, she saw something and she stopped in her tracks. Her hair was up, and she would not let me go past that where she was at. She wanted to turn around and go back down. I walked up anyway to where I thought she had seen something across the road, and there was a footprint what I like, I say, is a footprint.

13:30 I don't know in the gravel, so it's hard to tell exactly what it was. But something had run across the road and it looked huge, bigger than any bear or any animal out there. And we heard a stick brake down at the bottom, and I looked up where I heard the stick break, and I could see the leaves turned up, so I could tell that something had come and went straight from that road from that footprint, straight down, and then the stick brake, and so I got a little freaked out. I took my dogs down to come back and measure this footprint. I remember bringing them back up there. You drive me and I got out, looked at the footprint, took up a little picture beside it, with my foot beside it, and I walked about chin foot further and there's like a a very small footprint, and we're talking twenty four degrees in the gravel. It's just a very small footprint. I looked closely, I could see toes and it wasn't but eight inches long, seven eight inches long. I'm like, it's so so somebody has their kid up here, or in the middle of winter

15:01 or what was the start winner at that point, walking across the road. Whatever big for society will be right back after these messages. Anyways, That's about all that happened that day, because as soon as I got to want to take I took pictures of that little one too, But I never got to like measure it. Really I just gone off my foot.

15:45 But as soon as as soon as I turned around, basically from looking at that little footprint, something thumped very loud and very hard, and I felt it through through the ground. I don't know, I don't know what it was, just something shook the ground. They scared my dogs inside the truck. They they jerked and started barking. That was enough for me. I left that day, and then the second thing was another day. I wanted to decide. I wanted to see what was up on top of that where our things were being thrown at me from, and so I hiked up there. The same thing happened. I mean, nothing really happened that day other than just I got to the top and there's trails everywhere. Now the trails lead down to the to the road or to the creek to the water. There's no deer trails or a few deer trails going up there. It was just padded down rocks and brush and everything around the top the crest of the mountain, and then there was there was trails leading up towards the peak around every rock, like there'd be rock formations up there, like huge rock fourteen

17:18 feet fifteen feet high and around the rock, so it would be it would be you could see where there was something walking there a lot, whereas it there wore down all the way around. I got tired after climbing up there and looking around. I saw these trails and thought that was weird. Sat on the rock for a minute and started feeling like I was getting watched as I That basically scared me off the mountain, because as I was going down, I hadn't gone down any very far. I figured it. I started to go down the way I came and it was too steep, and so I felt like I was going to fall over. So I decided to go to the other side of the cliff, the other side of the peak, and go down where it's not so steep. As I was traversing from one side of the peak to the other, I saw a weird arch. It was two It was two different kinds of trees. One one was a pine tree and one was a hardwood of some kind, and they were bent over together and woven perfectly together. I don't know what it meant, what it was anything. I just snapped a couple of pictures and kept on rolling because I felt

18:51 like it felt like I was being watched. And in those pictures that I snapped, there was a very there was a weird face that I am coming to believe. But I you know, it's a picture. You know, it's not It's pretty pretty clear, but it looks like that little one, the little one with the little footprint. I believe it's his face, and it's it's I mean, there's just certain features of the face just makes sense to me that I'm wondering if it's not. I thought at first it was a shadow trick, but now after looking at it over and over again, and then I snapped two of them. So on the second one, I thought, well, there was some distortion there, but then I realized it was movement and it was a tree in front of it, and you can partly see the branches, and so I'm like, oh, so we were both moving at the same time as the second tree the second But so anyway, that day, yeah, nothing that I knew they were out there. I felt them.

19:57 Someone had told me to talk to them. I didn't believe it, but I had mentioned it because it just did happen. So one of the morning I went out there after at least it was after least two encounters. I was just walking up there and I just talked to them and talked to myself basically and said, just let me see you so I can just move on. Because it was becoming an obsession. It was like, I have to have proof, just something. I know something's out here. I I gotta have proof. I was thinking I had to prove it to the I don't know, to everybody for some reason. So I basically just talked to him, asked them to show themselves to me, and then I didn't meet him any harm and I wasn't going to mess with them. It wasn't immediately. It was a couple of days later. We you know, we're still doing the same routine walking out there every morning, and we walked down the face of them out one morning. It was about eight or nine in the morning, I think, if I can remember right, it was maybe ten mid morning, clear day. We're walking. We'll get to this, to a spot on the face. The road goes around the face where we could look up and you can see all the way. You could see rocks, and you can see

21:28 all the way to the top. There's a lot of trees, so you can't see everywhere, and there's hills, there's some fingers coming out, and you know, there's a lot of you can't see. There's just no open ground anywhere up there. So you can see all the way to the top. And as I'm looking between the trees, about three quarters away to the top, there's two boulders. The only thing it was solely on the top. There's two boulders and there's two figures standing there. One of them is huge. It's we recount we put somebody up there, and we figured out it was the person that was up there was about six foot average size, it was about it was about seven or seven or eight feet tall, the big one. It was two figures. The big one was about seven or eight feet tall, and the one standing next to it was maybe four forty five feet. They were completely black, standing up two hundred yards from me between the trees. I was looking straight at him, see him clearly as far as but it was too far to make out facial or anything like that. All I saw was just rounded heads and shoulders basically. And so I'm staring at these things, thinking, okay, am I looking at stumps, I looking at bears, I didn't know what

23:04 they were. And as I'm staring, one gets down, and the little one gets down and goes down to what looks like laying down on the rock. It moved, and I'm like, well, stumps, don't become smaller or move, and it looked like it was in a push up position because it got whiter, it got you know, smaller. It was dark and it was a dark figure, and it just it went from straight up to being wider and straight down on the rock. And as I was doing looking at that, the big one swayed out and went back and swayed out and went back and swayed out and went back, and I'm like, no way, you know.

23:54 I'm like, no way, this can't be. And it's so far away I can't, you know, be sure. So I said check the dogs and say let's go down a little bit. For some reason, why my phone wasn't taking pictures right then, I don't really know, because as soon as I pulled my phone out, they're gone. But we walked down around the corner and I was like, wait, if that was them and they're right there above me, I don't want to be out here anymore. So I turned my dogs around, and as soon as I turned my dogs around, I saw the perfect profile on top of the ridge of a finger that we'd walked around.

24:46 So it's closer. It was probably one hundred and fifty yards away. I'm just guessing, but and it walked from tree to tree. I saw its arm swinging foot. I mean I didn't see its feet, but three quarters of its body. I saw his long arm swing as it was walking, and it was just like, okay, it's like it just wanted me to see it. That was that. I don't That's just all I saw. I don't know what it was. And it just didn't look like a bear. Bears don't walk across, don't swing your arms like that. I don't know. And so now I'm not satisfied because it's too far away. I get probably I go into I know, I went into a bigfoot on the brain situation where I was seeing evidence everywhere. We're seeing toes everywhere, and it got to just like, please, you know this is stupid. Please give me some good evidence of good foot.

25:56 So I tracked. So I went looking for tracks, thinking that was the key if I could have one good footprint. So I still kept going out there and one foggy morning, and I was trying to not go out there so much. I was trying to back away. I was trying to not, you know, and but I did anyway. I leted up my dogs. It was foggy, and I said, this is perfect. They're going to get close to me, and you know, maybe I can do something about that, or I don't know what. Maybe I can get a picture or maybe I can get something. And sure enough, the same thing happens.

26:39 We walked down and done the same road. My dog's alert, same spot, pretty much the same spot, I mean where they were crossing, and I remember them alerting. I said, okay, they're learning to something. I don't know what it is, but they don't like it, so they're used to do it. They used to everything, except for not a lot of bear encounters. There's bears out there. I just haven't had the dogs haven't had bear encounters. And there's cats out there too. But we turned around and start walking back towards the truck because I'm like, this is foggy, maybe a bad idea, and they alert again between me and the truck to the right and and the right to the right. My truck was to the left. To the right was a gut pile of some hunters had just killed multiple deer, I think two or three and just dumped the remains right there at the edge of the forest, and they were fresh, they were from that morning. Well, I said, my dog was saying there's something over there.

27:55 This is before I found it, just the gut pile, saying there's something over there. So we go back towards the truck. We walked that way towards where there's something. But I'm just like, okay, well, we'll get to the truck. She's alerting to the right, so we'll just pay attention and just get to the truck and we'll be all right. But basically as we got between the truck and this gut pile that I found to the right where she was alerting, a huge bottle came off the ridge. I think it came off the ridge and hit a rock and shattered and just echoed everywhere it made so it was so loud, and I was like, Okay, they're here and I need to leave. But I didn't leave. Instead, I went to where I thought the bottle had landed, and I found the gut pile. I found a bottle, a bunch of bottles with the guts like someone had just thrown everything together. They had been drinking and they just threw all the bottles. There was wine bottles, there was beer bottles, there's everything in there, like a bunch of them. And I was like, okay, that's where the bottle came from. I look at the leaves as a trail.

29:24 You know, the leaves have been kicked up. It's another twenty degree morning, so I see that trail going that way. I started to try to walk my dogs back towards that trail because I'm like, that's where they went, and I'm trying to get my courage up or something. I don't know what I was thinking. And they get up the road again and about the same spot. I get scared, too scared to go forward and lot up to my right and there's a trail. The leaves are back messed up in the same spot. And my dogs started alerting down the hill and we'll alert, I say, alerting is their their Their hair would go up and they would start growling. It wouldn't bark a lot, but they were just like no, So that was it. I turned around.

30:26 It's I went back down. It's not very far. This is whole, this whole area that I'm talking about. I went up and down so a couple of times, not very far, and I went back to the truck, got in the truck, loaded up the dogs, and I heard crack crack, crack crack, and then big. For society, who will be right back after these messages, A.

31:06 Huge tree right to the left of me fell and shook the ground again. So as I'm getting this big foot on the brain type thing and all this stuff's happening, look, I look and I looked. I remember there was days between that when the tree went down. There was a few days and I was looking. I couldn't find anything. I looked at another tree. I couldn't see it like it looked almost natural, but it just came down. And I decided one day, okay, I just can't go look in the same spot. I have to go to the top and look down the other side. There's that place that I haven't been. I mean i've been, but I haven't really looked. And I go up there to the top without my dogs. Well, no, the first time was with my dog. So we're just basically go and walk from the top of the mountain down a couple of miles and then come back top. Well, we get to the top and there's a big older word bigfoot spray painted on their ease marks, and there's trails going through the mountain. Laurel I walked through these trails and they got sand down on them, and I'm like, oh, man, okay, this says big foot. They put staying down on their

32:38 trying to foot trap or something. It might just be hunt and drail. I don't know what they are. Maybe it's just racking anyway, So I was like, okay, well we need to walk these dogs down the hill and further down the road around the around the trailer trails work above the you know, fallowing the road along above it through the mountain. Ral I mean said dig foot. I was like, okay. Well, I was like, well, maybe there's maybe they're crossing here, because we're at the top of one peak and you can see the other peaks, some higher peaks that are they just have a real easy traverse from one to the other. From that spot, I walked down the hill. I started seeing shows and footprints, but everywhere across this where the where the mountain Laurel was and along there there's a ravine. It goes across the road and then down into ravine and then you can access the small peak to the right or where I would add all my experiences, and to the left was another small peak, and to the left a little small peak. You can he looked straight down on my backyard.

34:02 I mean, it's them mountain behind my house, you know, just to the left. So I'm like, okay, well, okay, they cross here. They are good at these mountain picks, and they can you know, they can see the house. They can do and that. But I never thought they were coming down to the house. And still I still didn't. And there was footprints everywhere, and not good footprints, just impressions. But I found some on the side of the hill that I tried to recreate and I could not recreate. It was like I didn't have I'm two hundred well I'm about two hundred and sixty some pounds, and I tried to recreate him, and I just can't. I couldn't even get like a quarter down as far deep in the in the side of the hill. But you know, it's rocky, there's a a shell, it's this is on the side of the road, you know, climbing up the side of the steep side of the road. So there was you know, enough enough to get a print. These footprints led me because I don't think a lot of them were I think a lot of them were. We're just bigfoot on the brain and there was rained and snowed earlier, and it was just I was just ing that bigfoot and the brain type thing. But then I

35:32 was searching this area relentlessly because of it. And I went down around a corner and where there's a ravine and there's a mountain or on the top of the road, and then a ravine and the one where I was talking about where the peaks and all that, and a walk down there where you couldn't see from the road. There's a little hamp and then it goes down and then it goes up and then down again and where everything's kind of down below hidden from the road. And I walked upon an area. I don't know what to say. It was just there was teepee structures, there was larger structures.

36:16 There was I've mental, this isn't evidence, so I don't know that the bark was coming off the trees. It looked like it was peeling off, but it was all in this area and on this weird looking structure, very primitive. There was some sticker vines that were growing out the forest floor, and there was a tree that was next to them. It was a healthy, young tree, about three or four inches in diameter, maybe just bent over, just busted straight over, about eight feet up. No, no, it wasn't eight feet up. It's more or it's more of it's more of the head eye at six feet up, pulled over, and then the vines from the from the forest floor were lifted up and hooked on this pulled over branch. And then to the side of it was another tree that had been ripped out of the ground or something was stuck straight in the rocks down, and then there was some more trees bent over on the top to the left of it. They were bent over it.

37:40 He'd woven all these stickers together to hold them onto and then underneath it was it's just it was just so you could tell that there's something had been sitting there when it had been snowing and raining, and they had put this little makeshift structure up to get out the snow and rain, I guess. But the thing that got me was it's just not humanly possible to stick a stick in the rocks like that. Why would somebody choose sticker lines to make their shelter from and why would they pull them up and make it that way? Yeah, and then I'm trying to just so much that happened. Basically, there was I don't know, I don't know what was evidence and what wasn't though, because there was stick structures everywhere, and I had pictures of some that are absolutely constructed.

38:49 The sticks are moved put in a tepee like way, and they just don't fall that way. They didn't fall that way, they were moved and made that way. The struck sure was obviously made primitively, So this area was of my interest. Then for the next couple of days, I found a twisted tree them like twisted like around and around and around and broken off about a couple of inches. I found lots of those sticks broken off and the bark peeled off, But it's mainly the structure.

39:32 And so this gets me to this all happened between finding this stuff and then something happened in my house that I just can't explain. So and it was I don't know, it doesn't make sense, but basically we I'm talking there was other people that I'm not involved. I'm not talking about. I'm just saying that I had other people helping me with this too. But anyway, we walked up to that area and everything was gone. The structure was on the ground. The forest floor was cleaned up, like there was not all the sticks and some of the stick structures were gone and new ones were up.

40:34 I don't know, I don't know the I couldn't find, you know. It was just like, okay, it's very strange because this stuff was here. I could still see the vines are still. There's the parts of the you know. I took pictures, so thank god, you know, but it's not there anymore. It was on the ground, the stick that was stuck into I think I found the stick that was in the rocks. It was up against the next to the road, and all this stuff's destroyed. So basically this is what led to this stuff being destroyed led to, is what It's my belief. Since this is all about my house, since I have two dogs that are recognizable, they've they've had multiple encounters with and so I believe that there's stuff I told you earlier about the same song and the rocks being thrown. I believe that they knew where I lived. It was just straight down from that peak. It's possible for them to come down very easily, stay hidden at night, and get right to my backyard. No no issues whatsoever. So anyway, one

42:05 night about oh, this is around midnight, I think, yeah, it was midnight. I was still. I was talking on the phone, I believe or something, and I went outside and stepped out of my porch and I heard noises in my shed. I have two sheds out there and a fen dog cants in my backyard at least from my back door, two two sheds and two big trees and a picnic table. And then there's no gate back there. The gates trawl on the front. And I heard something messing around in the shed. Well, I was, okay, that's the possum. Let the dogs out. Maybe they'll take care of the possum. And I was like, well, I don't know.

42:59 As I'm trying to open the door. A ball it's a tennis ball, but it's a dog's ball. It's a bigger than a tennis ball. It's about a softball size tennis ball bounced on the floor of the shed like three times bound bounce out. I could hear it. It was so and I was like, oh, what bounces? Did something go and knock that over or not? Wasn't sitting on something? And I told my wife, Yeah, that's weird, but she wasn't worried about it. I grabbed a flashlight. I walked about, this is really this is where it gets hard to talk about. Okay. I walked back out there in between my porch and whatever is making noise here, I'm looking in the shed. I got a flashlight, but the flashlight it wasn't very good and it was stuck on the wide beam, and so I'm walking out there trying to get it to focus in looking in my shed.

44:02 The point of light in my shed, and I got past, got about a little three quarters away. Over there, I met well, yeah, I measured it was like nineteen yards or something between. I didn't realize, but he wasn't in my shed, he was he was no between my shed. I believe he was in a crotching position because there was a hand print footprint and in a back to a print, so I believe that's what happened, That he was crouching, but I couldn't see him. It was too dark.

44:42 I didn't even know he was there until all of a sudden, I felt like I was stuck. Like fear came over me, like extreme fear, and I was frozen. I haven't seen him, you know, I don't know what it was at this point, I didn't know what it was. I was just frozen in fear, and so to me, that was like okay, And I couldn't move, just up and I don't know how long this was. I couldn't move. It was there was no noise, last light. You know, I don't think I stopped trying to work it. I was still shining up, but it wasn't doing any good between the sheds because there's tree limbs and it's just dark.

45:32 Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. It was dark that night and I was frozen in fear. I remember getting hold of myself, not seeing anything, and taking one step backwards. And when I took that one step backwards, I heard a huge like in hell, yeah, like huge, like lots of air, a grunt, and then I saw above my fence, which is five feet high.

46:28 The entire outline of him. He had pivoted basically from between the sheds the back of the fence and had completely it was in the air, up against the sky. If it wasn't, you know, against the sky, I would I never saw him. I saw his long arms. I saw his against the moonlight. I mean, you know what light there was. I could see his back. I couldn't see his head very well, just around something. He didn't see his face. I saw his leg hanging down in the air with the weird foot and the ankle looked like it was in the middle. Just the whole profile of this huge being suspended in the air. I mean he wasn't suspended, but you know, he jumped over without touching it. And then I heard heard him lame. I heard pang bang bang, like footprints of blue little boom him three times, and then the back horse fence rustled.

47:36 At some point I got able to move and I backed up, and I backed up all the way. I didn't want to turn my head. I know I backed up. I don't know how fast. I don't I don't want to, don't want to turn my back. And I went up the steps into the door, and here comes the ball from across the fence, somewhere over there, out in the darkness, comes back and hits my tree and bounces three times and lands beside the shed. It hadn't ever left, ever left that fence, that something took it out and threw it back at me. Anyway, I closed the door, locked everything up, laid down with my dogs, and just wished it away, basically. And I heard something hit my back table.

48:35 But at that point I'm like, if I stay in his house, whatever, I wait for daylight whatever. That's what I did. I waited for. This is midnight or something like that happened. I think I fell asleep at five thirty or six thirty. I woke up at seven thirty, I think seven o'clock in the morning, and thinking, okay, this is a dream. This didn't happen. And I didn't see the same He wasn't that closed, and he wasn't that close to my backyard, and he wasn't in my own in my dog fence. And I opened the back door and there's the rock that I had heard hit the last thing I heard. There was a rock right in the center hit my table walk out to my shed and the dog's bed is slipped over. There's pine needles everywhere inside the shed. I look to the side of the shed and there's the ball and the marks that it bounced from. And I went to my backyard, like beyond the fence, and I saw impressions everywhere all over the backyard. Not a good footprint, just impressions, large impressions between the discovered right away because there was a mark there and I was so messed up and I just like walked over it or something or missed it, or I remember thinking that was the dog scratch, you know.

50:05 For some reason, I never put it together until the next day. The next day, I walked out there and just you know, look in a place around trying to see if I missed anything. And I looked between the sheds because I know that's where he's got I'm like, I know he was here, so he had to leave something here, you know. Yah, there's a perfect I'm not it's not perfect footprint, but I can see where his foot was and that line that I thought was dog scratch. I got down and looked at it and had toes in it on the back, and then I looked above the footprint, and I saw a huge handprint. I mean, to the right, I saw two knuckle prints. I mean, it's just all like it was all there, like, oh my gosh, Okay. I mean, I looked straight up and there's a perfect line of bark rubbed off of my big tree that's behind my shed to this footprint and crouching position type thing was where I thought it was.

51:07 I looked straight up. That bark is all the way to the trunk, the huge trunk. It's a big old gros tree. He had basically climbed that tree, I believe, went across my top of my shed and then dropped down in the crouching position after it had been in my shed. And you know, while I was walking out there was hiding from me or whatever. When I didn't see it, well I didn't see it was because it was above me, it was in the tree or on the shed, or he'd already dropped down or something. But I just have an overwhelming feeling that the fear and the whole I took a step back and then there was no noise until I took a step back, and then it showed. You know, it was more like he clumped me out, and he was just like, I believe it's in my it's my belief that I found that stuff, and it was it just got too close to them or or something. The fact that they know where my house is is because you know, it's snowed a bunch here and I put some apples out for them. The apples are gone. There's no drag marks. There was a couple of knuckle prints I thought were and then where the horses had been walking, it looked like there was a trackway, but there's so much snow, so many horses walked across it, there's no way to be sure they

52:40 had ruined it if there was. And so I'm like, okay, well maybe they didn't come back. Maybe they did. Two nights ago, my dogs, I had the back door open. It was it was it was warmed up, and so I were enjoying the weather. Basically left the back door open and it's dark outside, and I got a porch light on, but that's it. And through the winch to the door open. My dog starts growling and her hair goes up and she won't go out there. What is it? Anything else should go out there? But I'm like you. No, they're not here. They're not coming back. They haven't came back.

53:25 So fast forward to yesterday walking my other dog, and right in the corner of my fence, there's for one thing I knows, although the impressions again are out there again. Toad marks everywhere, same things. They all measure seventeen inches and they're all eight inches across, every single one of them. And there's right behind the corner of my fence. It's too perfect prints that where it's been standing there and just wore the grass down. So I'm thinking it was still out there watching us. So that's pretty much the story in a nutshell. I just believe that I went too far and I got messed up. I got too close to whatever they have going on there. I think they're I don't know. I saw the little one. I think there's a little one out there and whatever. They don't want me near that mountain peak. And I believe I got too close, and I believe they knew where I lived. I just feel like if they were missing with me, they would have thrown stuff at me or something not coming so close. I don't know. I'm just speculating, but that's pretty much what's happened and it's still happening because two nights ago there's something out there still missing with this, but and I don't know. My wife is about like, what did it bother you? And I was like no, and so we're just like, Okay, I don't know what to do. I don't know if they're just

54:55 watching this or if I don't know. I know, I just know I can't go back out there, and I'm afraid of the dark and just kind of wanted to go away. But I haven't done everything to scare them away, either because I think I'm a glutton for punishment or something, or I wanted a peaceful interaction or something. But I don't know if I'm gonna get it. I don't even know what to say all the things. All I know is the things I saw makes the whole thing makes sense to me. Why people can't get close to them. They can move, they're just too aragile. There's just they basically own. Yeah, they owned the woods, and what I was thinking, you know, big lumbering, you know, but no, these things can move and they're stealthy and it's so hard to get close to them. I believe they got close to me. But that's pretty much what happened to me. Jeremiah.

55:57 I don't know if I forgot anything or not. It's a lot. There's there was so much that happened that it's just I don't know. I quit looking because I just can't handle it. I can tell it's it's really effecting you, man, It's it's weighing down on you. It's awfully hard. I'm coming up there. I'm doing better, but the fear that it put through me is yeah, I don't know what it meant, but I take it as oh, I was missing around their home too much, so they came to my home. But you know, who knows. I'm trying to figure out what it you know, whether it's a peaceful situation here or not. Right you think it is? I think if I don't mess with them, but I don't know.

56:38 It's it's very interesting because you know, usually when I talk to people and it's this close to their home, there's usually stuff happening inside the home where they're starting to mess around, or there's other things that are starting to become evident that might not be potentially sask but there could be like shadow people or you know, yeah, yeah, which it doesn't sound like that's the case. We've we've considered all, you know, we've considered a lot of that. I don't have answers really, I'm just what I told you now is just what's been happening, and it's it's still happening. So whatever it is is. You know, the picture I have is scary, but it makes It has the brown ridge, it has the thin lips on the bottom. You know, it's just certain things. It's like what would a little one look like? You know, opinion, you know, and then there's just all these footprints and all this stuff, and I'm like, uh, I don't know.

57:46 I think you need to to figure out if you want them there or if you don't, because it kind of sounds like you might even go back and forth. What I was trying to Yeah, I was trying to say that earlier there's things I could have done or I still can do, you know, with that back half of the property, to make it not inviting to them. You see what I'm saying. But yet I'm just like, oh, I wanted to get I wanted to get I wanted to see if they were still coming around. I wanted to see if I don't know, so maybe you know, I wanted a good picture or something. I don't know what I wanted. I don't I don't even know what I want any more about this. I don't. At first I thought, oh, I wanted to resourch this and I wanted to find out everything. And now I'm just like, I don't even know what these things are. I don't know how they can get close to you. I don't know how you can get close to them. I don't they scare me because he had me and I felt like I was running around out there and they could do anything to me at any time. And I don't know whether I don't know enough, I don't know what.

59:00 I don't know if they were upset at me or not. Maybe they were just playing with me. I don't know. How is this affecting the other people in like the rest of your family. Are they being affected by this at all? Or well? Yeah, there of course have because I've I've been affected so much. But I you know, I took my wife out there and showed her all the evidence, and she's a believer because of that. But you know, I knocked on my brother's door and said, hey, bigfoot was at our house last night, she said, whatever, you know what I mean, he never went and looked, And that made me upset too, because I was like, I wanted somebody else to see these evidence fresh and just to tell me, you know. But yeah, that my family's been pretty good about it. But it's just hard to know what's going on here. But you know, I've seen shadows one other time that I didn't mention that now that came up. But it's a shadow. I don't know what it was, you know, just going across through the trees.

1:00:04 You know, I don't call that a sighting. I call that right, stuff like that. You know, I've seen a couple of shadows. Stuff was getting thrown, though I don't I think, yeah, you know, it's bottles and rocks, and yeah, I don't know. There's a unique reason too, and the reason why. And it's just my belief, you know, I'm not This is what I believe. The location of my house is right where they could avoid people and navigate between mountain ranges. The part of the forest I was at, you know, that's right behind my house, happens to be the part of the forest that hunters dump their deer carcassus in this fall, and it's so bad that they scare the other deer away. And then we find huge cat scat, like the biggest cat scat I've ever seen.

1:01:05 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. So yeah, there's the you know, there's cats up there, and then there's bear sign up there, and there's but there's no deer sign. You see what I'm saying. It's a predator zone. It seems like they're coming down there and feeding on the fresh ones. Because at that one time when my dog was alerted on that pile, but maybe it was the people dumping it off. It was foggy that morning. Maybe they dumped it off and got out of there right there their vehicle. Though. You know, it's just a lot of crazy stuff happening, and I got so many pictures and so many things of just I don't know, why would they stay You know, they're not supposed to do that's all. This isn't They're not supposed to stay in one spot. Why are they staying here?

1:02:14 I mean, this is what I'm throughout the last year or so. When I started getting interested in it. Some of the stuff doesn't add up, you know, like where they leave, you know, if they haven't counter they leave the area or something, they don't they're not leaving this area, but that peak, that peak is hard to traverse. And I found hidden water sources. Okay, so they don't even have to come off of it. Yeah, it's all right there. You see what I mean exactly. They can go from one peak to the other without ever having to get in a humans way, you know, and then humans can't climb around. They're very fast because all the rocks and even this, and so you know, you're grabbing on trees and getting your footing and all this, and they're up there making trails all the way around everywhere and there just don't make sense. So I will say, like.

1:03:15 You know, I I've talked to a lot of people over the last few years, like a ton, and they're definitely there starts to be patterns, and you can so from what you've experienced, it's definitely a thing where it is not getting any better by itself, and it is getting closer and closer to your home property as as you're aware. And I would say probably the next guy as well as my theory. Right the next thing is I could easily start to see things maybe happening inside the house and maybe even like some kind of communication. And I just think you need to know to really start to think about if you want that to happen.

1:04:05 You know, I don't know either, because it scared me. Like when I was nineteen yards away from this thing, I didn't even know it, but I was in the sphere whatever, and it just to me it felt like a warning. There was no there's no communication. It was just more like if you stared off with another human and you're you're not getting along, and you have a you look at each other and you have an agreement. You don't go this way, you don't go that way, you know, and we both go. We both you know. It's what it felt like. But you know, I don't know he didn't. You know, he jumped over the fence, ran all the way back seventy five yards and then through the ball, through the ball right in my face, right or you could have threatened me more. You know, he ran away and then throw the ball back. I mean, I don't through the rock after I close the door. Yeah, it's almost like it feels, you know, those are messing with exactly, exactly exactly. That's like, if he wanted to hit me with the ball, he would have hit me with that ball. And the first time I got hit, the first time I got hit was a little rock and he hit my back and it won you know, you know, it just it didn't hurt or anything. It just got my attention. But I just I don't know.

1:05:35 I think they you know, honestly, after after after discovering that place where they cross and where those peaks are are all accessible and everything, and they cannot be seen. They look off that they go off the smaller peak there they can just look right down on my neighborhood or that, you know, where the first humans they see, and I wonder if they haven't and just watching this neighborhood or something. And then I played guitar and just you know, and I took they saw my dogs outside, and then I took my dogs out there into their area and walked and it's just over the time they knew who I was before I knew who they were, or they existed, That's what I believe. They knew you to come warn me at my house. But it felt human human almost, you know, But then you see these structures that they made were makeshift. You know, they're like primitive, not human possible, though it is strange. I feel like they're super smart.

1:06:35 No, and they totally are. And I'm sure you're aware. Like if you wanted to try to keep a buffer between your house and that, you might even consider like putting up you know, game cams. That seems to be effective. Where floodlights is what I've considered. Yeah, yeah, I don't I have power out there at that ship. I could put a blow that out there pretty easily and at least keep them out of the keep them for getting too close. I guess unless they want to be seen. They don't want to be seen, that's for sure. They just want they wanted to It seemed like they didn't want to be seen, that they wanted to make sure I knew they were there. They always do multiple things for just one thing, you know, you don't hear would knock. Honestly, I only heard one that one would knock, and only heard I heard one scream came from there up there.

1:07:32 There's other reports of screams recently that that other people are reported, but one scream one would knock. You know, there was a one off that would knock I heard. I was like, was you know, I needed to hear more. But the stuff being thrown and the vocalizations that I've heard are just beard. I can't explain them. Really, did you say other people in the same area are also experiencing things as well? Yeah, there's there's been some research done, and I'm not gonna get into it too much, but I will tell you that. I will tell you the research is shown that it is a semi hot spot. Really, there's been quite a bit, including sightings thrust things to being thrown.

1:08:21 But you know, I can't really, I'm not gonna speak for other people's experiences. All I know is in a radius small, small radius of the area, there's tons of reports. It's not it's not an uncommon thing. Apparently, Apparently I'm more late to the game some of these people I talk to, I'm late to the game, you know, I'm like, you know, like people say things like you know you know you don't clack rocks together. No, I didn't know that. You know, you know you know you don't do this, and that you know there's things out there. Well, no, I didn't really, I'd heard about it and I've wondered, but I didn't understand how wild these woods are. They're pretty wild.

1:09:09 If it feels like it is, there's a definitely like they're they're curious. They're they're watching your their entertainment, because if they wanted to take if they didn't like you, like they would be taking your pets out or maybe even something worse, you know what I mean, Like I think they're just trying to play with you. My dogs will chase deer. I don't want them to, but you know, if they're on a leash, i'll have to pull. They'll try to pull me if it's a fox, rabbit, anything other than bears. Because we haven't run on a bear with them. I haven't run on a bear with these dogs, so I don't know how that we react. But they're afraid of these things. They'll bark and growl, but they will not go down. Like after this encounter, they were in the house, but I guess they knew it happened, or could fence tent, I don't know. Instead of going to the normal place in the back corner of the fence where they poop, they started pooping by the front steps just enough to get down the steps and poop and get back up as fast as they can.

1:10:14 That took about two two It took about a week for them to start going out in the yard again, thankingness. So they're afraid of them. They won't go up that hill, up that mountain. They ain't nothing, they're afraid of them. I threw that ball, they just they ran after it. The pit bull ran after it, sniffed it and left it alone. Like as soon as she smelled that, she didn't want to grab it. You know what I mean, right, it's they the smell. Yeah, they know the smell, and they I don't want anything to do with it. If they do warn me though, they tell me what's out there, because if it's if it is a possible, they're running out there to do it, right. And that's the whole thing is is like I didn't let him out, Like there's a whole thing. I didn't let him out because I was afraid. You know, we were going through all this stuff and I was looking and there was in the back of my mind, I don't want my dogs running there for these things. I hear stories, you know about them hurting dogs, and I just but my dogs won't go near them. My dogs are afraid of them, so they tell me when they're around. They have every time they didn't warm. They didn't warm me on this the one where I went out there, they was until you know afterwards, okay, yeah, yeah, but I never you know, I never let them out to chase it though, so I don't know what they would have done. It's crazy.

1:11:46 This is it's happening right now, like just in the last few days, like it's so recent. There's still there. There's I went and loot this morning. Those those prints are still there. You can still we see where standing and it's just several days later. He just pushed the grass down. I think he was standing there for a while because that I looked around the rest of the yard and I saw very suspicious stuff. But you know, the grass pops back up in its straight rock underneath. We live on a plateau, so it's not going to push there's no mud, there's no you know, he's not gonna push very far down. But it pushed the grass down. And the grass is just pushed down seventeen inches, same shape as all the other ones. Everything that I have prints that like you crew went across the gravel road that I was, you know, seventeen inches long.

1:12:41 They're all seventeen inches and they're eight inches across from toe to toe or something like that. Or yeah, they all measure the same, So I think it's the same one as going the house. I mean the little one up there. There's a little one up there. I know that's what I saw, but I don't have proof, you know what I'm saying. But I don't even know what's happening as far as I don't know where I'm at with them. I don't know if they are upset at me or not. That's my biggest issue. But I really kind of agree with what you said. Maybe they're just playing with me. And maybe I did get too close to their house, and maybe they said if I'm want to come to their house, they're gonna come to mind.

1:13:29 I just think that what I found was just an easy place for them to diverse without being seen. And they're just up there. They control everything up there. You cannot get near them because there's no open land. There's no there's just tons of boulders, tons of rocks. It's a jungle, you know what I mean. It's not And during the summer, it's so thick that you know, even in winter when the leaves are down, it's so you know, there's so many rocks, so many ledges, and so many fingers and so many you can't you still can't see. You know, there's places in there that don't see much sun at all. I mean, you know, the peaks are close together. There's there's a stream that comes down with waterfalls.

1:14:23 There's caves everywhere. Since the leaves came off, I found tons of caves. They just you just keep finding them. There's easy to find. There's so many of them. There's just everything there. There's shelter, there's shelter, there's hidden water, there's you can't sneak up on them from there. I guess maybe that's why I don't leave, because they're not threatened there. Have you been? Have you been writing a journal of everything that's been happening. I started, but I stopped because I started too soon. I guess, because gotcha, I need to start over. I haven't. I started to write after it happened that the one one that came to the house. I was like, I'm gonna write everything down. I couldn't even write it down.

1:15:10 I started, but I just haven't finished it, you know. That's why I talk to you, I guess, and that's why. I had it like you know, so it's there big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. That's what happened. And yeah, that's eighty years from now, seventy years from now. Why so much activity, like so much?

1:15:50 I looked hard though, I don't know. And when I think about telling all the experiences that there was a lot of miles walked, and there was a lot of a lot of time spent and only a handful of activity, I guess. But it's over five months. It just felt like it was happening, and every few weeks there's a lot of quiet time out there is what I'm trying to say. A lot of times where I was just like am I am I crazy? You know? You know, But then all of a sudden, stuff that started happening. I mean, something's throwing a ball at you from from the darkness. I mean, it's it's wild. The ball, the bottle, the ball, the bottle, and the rocks. I mean we're talking five six items thrown, yeah, plus all the rocks on my back porch that if they did that, which I believe they did, but it's the middle of night. Those kids are young. They were not out there throwing rocks back porch, but they haven't done it since. I really don't think it's I think they're too small. They would not be out there at that time night. Well makes sense.

1:17:05 I mean, I would recommend to, you know, keep some kind of you know, journal, even if it's not super detailed, so that you can you know, this could happen for years and years and years, and it'll get to the point where it's really. All you know. I've over this. I've met someone that has this happening and does not, and I won't tell where they're at, you know, this is just I've met some people that have had this happening and have a better relationship and a lot of weird stuff happens in their property, but it's all peaceful and they feel like it's a good relationship, you know, and as long as they don't let other people in and don't allow it to become said that you can live next to them and be fine. They don't necessarily want to hurt people out the people, but I don't like them hanging around my house at night. But I'm curious about them. But they're starting to scare me so bad that I can't even go to the woods anymore. I'm afraid of my backyard, you know, I don't go out there either at night. Yeah, so that's not really worth it. I got to do something about it. I shouldn't be afraid to walk my No, no, definitely not.

1:18:23 Have you tried talking to them out loud about like, hey, you know you need to stay in your You're part of the woods, and you know there's a there's a boundary here, you know, put down some some rules that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So if I you know, I need to because if I start thinking about if everything was them okay there, I know, I know when I sat over the fence was one. I know. I'm pretty sure the vocalizations. There's nothing else that could be in my opinion, But because just the intelligence type of it, just I don't know, I can't make sense to that. But the footprints of last night, two nights ago, they've been here several times, and if it was just a couple of nights ago, they're going to keep coming. I think they're out of curiosity. If they're still you know, I just don't know if they'll throw things at me or not.

1:19:27 But they're going to be out here watching me, I believe, because they've already came back, you know, absolutely. And I heard too many other stories. I'm going off other people's stories too that I've heard people that they just won't go away, or they just you know, they seem curious or something they don't you know. To me, it was more like, I just think in my head, I just think, well, nothing happened, you know there. They probably you're not afraid to mess with me because I'm not gonna call the police or something. I mean to create a big deal about it. Although I did, you know, bring other people, and I did. We did look hard and you know, you know, and that got me. I thought that got me visited. But I don't know who knows. It's it's so easy to speculate what happened here and what has been happening. I don't know. Oh, I know, is there's something out there and they've been messing with me for five months. That's ryan, I mean, yeah, yeah, absolutely it is.

1:20:37 I'm trying to deal with the best I can. Yeah, It's it's not been easy, No, definitely, not, and there was a there was a no, I don't know, there was a there was times where it was just like it was all it was too much. But you know, it got to the it got so pointed. It got so bad that I wanted people to believe me so bad I wanted like step perfect print this or that that was gonna make me feel better, you know what I mean? And they just don't leave that up here. They won't. There's too much rocks, too many mountains, too much, there's just you don't have the you don't have the frustrate to get a good flip print. They can walk anywhere they want to and not leave a good footprint up here, you know. So it is what it is, you know, I mean, they're not going to give me the perfect picture of the perfect flipprint. I feel like they get are in control m and I feel like they showed by themselves to me, I really do. Just the way it happened, it was so strange, the way it happened, of them swaying back and forth, and the one getting down and and then me walking keep walking and then walking across the ridge like that. It was just like they just wanted to make sure, I've seen them, if that makes sense.

1:21:59 Absolutely, I just an incredible experience, you know, being able to see that, I would says. It's I've wished. At times I wished it hadn't happened at all, which I've never done it. And in other times I'm like, Wow, it's cool. It's so cool, like, you know, be able to experience things. I love experiencing things like that. But the fear is where I'm having issues with not knowing what's going on here, and I feel like I overdid it, so like now I'm just at their mercy, Like if they want to mess with me, They're like, I mess with me. But I have a lot of different feelings about it.

1:22:46 Yeah, absolutely, And I talked to a few people where they have found that it can be helpful to use the name of Jesus Christ for some reason in order to get them to leave them alone, which I mean, that's an interesting discussion in itself why that works, right, But more than a few people have told me that, So. I don't know. Well, I mean, I can just get like, I'm not going to go into that spiritual stuff because so many people believe with this and that. But I can say that. Okay, we don't have to get spiritual about it. If you know anything about horses or you know anything about dogs, they can tell like a horse can tell when you're nervous, so when you're afraid, you get on it. And yeah, and to me it just seems like, okay, well, these things have all the advantages.

1:23:43 If they're seven foot tall, eight foot tall, well, the ones i've seen that i've seen were skinny, there's not like you know, they're dark, skinnier. They're not. It's not like Patty, I mean, you know what I mean, not the big lumbering tight. But I don't know. Okay, if it's seven foot tall and it has all these muscles, it has the strength to be able to pull these trees over. It should be able to run, It should be able to jump, It should be able to do all kinds of things that we just can't, you know, understand or without being able to study one up close, Like how much how athletic they really are? Right? Is it a conversomething them to be big? I don't think so.

1:24:34 I think they're extremely athletic and strong. The reason I believe that is because the thing jumped toward this stance without touching it, so it was five feet above and then it was, you know, feet above ten twelve feet in the air maybe I don't know, and then runs across like in three bounds. Maybe it was. I thought maybe it went on all fours then up or something when it jumped over the fence, and that's what the three bounds were. But it's just a I don't know. I couldn't see it was too dark mm hmmmm. But the how fast it moved and how they seem to know I don't stay hidden, and how that Okay, I think one went down that and made that bump. Well, there's not a huge trackway there. There's there's there's there's leaves messed up. But if it's this big, lumbering, lumbering animal, wouldn't it leave like they moved the shadow I saw going across there that one time. I don't It was moving between the trees so fast that I couldn't make out what it was in that spot, and I just wonder if it was one.

1:25:57 Have you considered getting like a thermal some sort of thermal device, I'll see what's going on back there. Yeah, basically what happened with this is I got shut down, completely awfu with it that I've considered a lot of that. So I'm trying to get myself like, you know, when it happened, I just it went to a point where there's no looking, there's no studying it, there's no watching stuff on YouTube, there's nothing, no listening to the podcast, there's no subject. Got completely deleted out of my mind as much as I could, which is impossible when you went through something like this, but as much as I could to try to calm down. And They're not going to leave me alone, and I'm not gonna be able to leave it alone, but I want to have a good relationship with it or else. I told you. My wife was like, well, maybe we should move, you know, But I'm like, if we're going to move, I don't want to live in the city. I like where I'm at, and if I I'm gonna be afraid of the woods wherever they're at, I feel like, you know, I didn't even like walking in the park. You know right now, man, that's because our parks are right next to the mountains.

1:27:15 You know, we're never far we're here, we're never far from the National forest, and you know, wilderness really it's really wild. It's a lot wilder. And I thought, right now, I know I'm not gonna be looking anytimes, and like I went out and trying to find them, right, But if they're gonna come to me, I'm gonna try to get something. But I might have to end up flooding the back putting some floodlights or something back there, so I can just at least enjoy in my backyard. They can come to the horse fence or something. But the thing was, it's in my yard fifty yards at least seventy five yards in my yard, right, you know, twenty five yards when it was it Yeah, and yeah, they're getting real close and we got animals and everything else.

1:28:10 It just you know, something that at least that makes you feel like you have maybe some sort of control over the situation. You know, having a light back there, you know that might be something to consider definitely. But oh yeah, yeah, like I said, I'm afraid of them. But yet throughout this whole thing, like when I threw that bottle, I went and stood there and try to get it. I wanted them to throw a bottle or something, and I have my phone beside me, and I was ready to hit record, and I was going to get this on. You know what I mean, because it was always when I was loading up the dogs. It's always when I'm turning, you know. And I told somebody, I say, they're watching me because every time I load the dogs up, something's going to you know, the ground's going to shake.

1:28:57 It did several times, and it was right after and when I when the first the first time I loaded up the dogs. You know, I didn't have the key, so I download them. But you know, when the rocks were thrown the first time I loaded up the dogs, it's like they're watching me. I load the dogs and I'm about to leave, it's time to go, and then they want to do something just messing with me. It felt like I was being messed with. It's it's crazy to think that all these people because it's not a very popular spot. It's next to popular spot places, but it's kind of backside of the mountain type. More local people go back there more, not as many tourists. But there is some pretty night there's some nice trails and there's some nice there's some really cool things to see and you know, it's a great hiking spot. And I'm just like people are out there camping and they're out there walking. They have no idea what's right above them looking at them. Yeah, but I feel like every time I go out there that I saw those trails up there.

1:30:03 I know they've been watching. There's no way they made all them trails up there without walking over and over and back and forth and over. But they beat up there for some reason, which I was going to figure out, and I was going to figure all that stuff out, but then I got so afraid that I just can't. So I'm gonna have to deal with that first before I can ever do any kind of research again. If I was to go research and I wouldn't be looking for what I was looking for last time, I'd be looking for these things not there, you know. But I don't know how. I have all these opinions in my head, like, Okay, you are never gonna be able to get close to because they can move so fast and we don't know their senses, so like can they smell very well? Can they feel viaborations in their feet? Can they out do they know? You know what I mean? How every time?

1:31:02 You know, it just felt like they come to me and they choose people. I'm just I hear that from other people and I didn't believe it, but I'm starting to believe it. But they choose people to mess with is maybe because they just get away with it the first time, or they get a reaction and you're curious, or you know, they get away with it as far as it can't cause them any trouble or nothing, so they feel more comfortable because they're obviously trying to stay hidden, so they're not gonna mess with everybody. Right It's it's the ones where they have the okay to do so, or they have been allowed to.

1:31:44 That's what I'm a little worried about right now, is what I'm trying to say. Yep, I'm a little worried that they've they done got used to me and they're not afraid of me, and I'm afraid of them, and they're just going to keep coming in mind because of it. But yeah, there's just there's no lights back there. There's no I mean, none of my neighbors have lights either. Okay, you know it's a horse pasture. There's nothing. I mean, everybody does up towards the railway, all these back lots that what we all own nobody's really using them. Some of them have some my neighbors haven't fenced off, but there's a lot of land that just at night, there's not a light out there, so they can just come up to anybody's house, not just mine, anybody's.

1:32:38 Well, you're the one playing guitar, so you're probably more entertaining in a way. I'm the one with the dogs. I felt like I just I brought them there, you know, and there's scrub brush back there, you know, they can hide to get up to it, and it's just it's just too easy. M hm. Well, let's see, we'll see what happens. I'm sure there'll be more that happens. I'm just not gonna be looking really hard hopefully. I mean, I know, I know the truth is I won't be able to leave it alone, but I'll leave it alone for a while and try to give myself not so afraid or whatever.

1:33:19 I don't even know. Yeah, I hope you're able to get Yeah, yeah, but. It's not like I mean, you know, it's been several weeks since they scared me really bad, and they've came back once or twice. They haven't thrown anything, they haven't made any noises. I'm just talking for the prints and stuff. Dog's alerting. But nothing's happened since that time. Yeah, nothing aggressive or anything like that. Yeah. Well, you know, Ryan, I'm glad that you you reached out to us again and definitely keep us in mind.

1:34:00 I mean, hopefully you get a little bit of a reprieve for a while. But if things do start happening again, you know, by all means, feel free to. To reach out. Right after the experience, it got really cold and snowy, and then it warmed up and it's our here. I said, like, I had the door open and it warmed up when I was about to get cold and snowy again. But he got really cold snowy after that, and I think they kind of shut things down. He got warmer. It's all footprints again. You know. I'm just worried that, you know, it's warm up and they're gonna be here. They're gonna be coming out here in the regular but well, we'll see. It gives you a little bit of time to figure out different ways of looking at the situation, maybe things to try and but Ryan, you know where you know, if you ever need to chat again, where we're definitely.

1:34:57 You know I'm here to here to listen to you and try to help you work through things. So it's been a pleasure chatting with you today. Man, Yes, yeah, this has been It's been good. It's nice talking to you. I appreciate what you do. Jerema, thank you, thank you. N We'll be in touch I and I'll be I'll be hoping the best for your situation as you as you try to figure things out. But thank you for coming on the show again. Man, all right, take care, man, you got it. Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much.

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