Sept. 2, 2024

It Heard My Thoughts! | 5 Days with Sasquatch in Arkansas

In this episode, we dive deep into Jaxon's startling experiences with Sasquatch over the years. From his first sighting as an 8-year-old in Florida's Golden Gate Estates to an intense 5-day encounter in the remote woods of Arkansas, Jaxon shares every...

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Season 1

In this episode, we dive deep into Jaxon's startling experiences with Sasquatch over the years. From his first sighting as an 8-year-old in Florida's Golden Gate Estates to an intense 5-day encounter in the remote woods of Arkansas, Jaxon shares every detail. Discover the Cherokee heritage insight that suggests Sasquatch sense human intentions, and explore how these experiences shaped Jaxon's view of these elusive beings. This is one conversation you don't want to miss, filled with riveting tales and thought-provoking revelations!

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with the show, all right, Big for Society at the

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privilege of talking to Jackson today. Jackson is an individual

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that's had some really interesting things happen over the years.

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He's an individual that left a YouTube comment on one

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of my episodes, and so I always try to reach

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out to individuals that leave a comment, and he was

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actually able to go ahead and contact me back thankfully.

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And Jackson, it's a pleasure to have you on the

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show today.

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Hey man, it's a pleasure to be here.

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I appreciate it absolutely. We were talking in the pre interview,

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and we are going to go to some really interesting

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places in this interview, but you know, I'm just going

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to go ahead and pass it right over to you

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and just kind of take us back to the beginning

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what we need to know and how it all started

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for you.

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Yeah, gotcha. So just to give you a little bit

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of background about me, I grew up in sort of

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like west central Florida, like near the Everglades, in a

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little area called the Golden gatea States, which at the

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time was severely less built up than it is now.

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Talking my road, my street that I lived on was

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like three and a half miles long, and there was

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five houses on it, so you know, we were real

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spread apart, and there was a lot of dense woodland

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out there, a lot of canals intertwining and things like that.

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So my first, my first encounter ever actually happened in

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the woods about probably seven hundred and fifty meters from

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my house. There was a trail at the end of

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our road that me and the boys up the road

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used to ride fur whelers on them things. And on

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one of these trails there was a big pile of

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crushed stone that they were probably going to use for

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some kind of some kind of home build or something

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on the canal, but it had been there for years

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and we would go out there and climb on it

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because there was little holes that the rattlesnakes would would

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nest in, and we would go up there looking for

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rattlesnake eggs after they'd hatched, to see if we could

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find any MP eggs. When we were climbing up there

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one night, probably like five point thirty six o'clock in

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the afternoons, close to dinner time, someone was about to

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go down and myself and another boy named Michael, who

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was about two years older than me at the time,

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we were all the way at the top of the peak,

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which was probably thirty five foot up, and we were

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sitting up there talking and it was it was pretty

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quiet because the other boys were down below us, and

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we heard branches snapping, and he thought it was a bear,

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so he started sliding down the rock the rock pile,

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and I looked out across and just about probably one

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hundred and fifty meters maybe two hundred meters out there

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was the canal line and there was a very very

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brief siding, probably fifteen seconds total. But I watched this medium, small,

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medium sized sasquatch.

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Come down the small embankment into the canal, stepped through

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the canal and then back of the enbank on the

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other side, and then it disappeared into the woods very quickly.

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was young. I was probably eight years old at the time,

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nine years old. I didn't know anything about sasquatch, and

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you know, I was a little bit shaken, but I

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was like, maybe it was a bear. You know, we'd

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had bear problems in the area, digging through trash and stuff.

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And I went home and I told my dad about it. Now,

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my dad was like ninety five percent Cherokee, and I

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told him about it, and I remember like his face

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going white. And then he sat me down that night

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because my mom worked night shift, so it was just

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me and dad at home, and he sat me down

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that night and made me watch the Legend of Bulgy

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Creek and was asking me a bunch of questions, like

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does this look like what you saw this? You know

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the home nine And ironically enough, that was the only

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conversation that we had ever had regarding Sasquatch, and like

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I said, it was a brief, brief interaction, but that

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was the only one that I had for like three

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and a half four years. Somewhere around two thousand and four,

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two thousand and five, we moved from Florida to North Carolina.

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living in like the Greensboro area, like a you know,

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a decent sized city, and I didn't get to get

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out and get in the woods as much as I

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liked to. And my dad and I decided at the

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like the end of two thousand and eight to go

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out with summer in two thousand and eight, to go

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out and spend some time up in the mountains and

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go fishing and get a weekend away, get back to

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back to our roots.

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So we had been there a couple of times before

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visiting in North Carolina in the past, but we drove

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up to like the area just outside of Boone, North Carolina,

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and he rented a cabin from a guy in like

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the Penny Saver that was sitting on the Watauga River

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river which we had fished countless countless times before visiting.

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And I've fished hundreds of times since since then. But

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we were, you know, just outside of Boone, North Carolina,

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and the cabin was sitting like up from a hill,

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and about fifty yards from the cabin was the tree line,

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and there was a trail through the trees that went

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down about another four hundred and fifty yards down the

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side of the hill that wound up at the river.

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And the spot of the river that we were at

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had a straight stretch of probably one hundred one hundred

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and fifty yards and then it turned into like into

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a wind that wound down the rest of the mountain

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side and U during during this trip, the water was

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still kind of hot because we had recently had some

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good rain. But even at the water being high, it

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was only like two and a half three feet deep.

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We spent the entire weekend from we got there Friday afternoon,

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probably one point thirty two o'clock in the afternoon, we unpacked,

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went straight to the river, and we fished the whole time,

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the whole day. And I did that every day up

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until Sunday morning. Sunday morning, now, the whole time we

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were there. You know, I don't know about him, because

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we never talked about it. One of my biggest regrets

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is never talking to him about it, because you know,

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I no longer can. But the whole time we were there,

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I had that feeling like somebody's looking at me the

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entire time while we were fishing, while we were at

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the cabin, the entire time. On top of that, every night,

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you know, my dad was an older guy, he'd fell

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asleep early every night. He was one of those guys

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that went to sleep at nine, woke up at four

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point thirty, whether or not he had an alarm set,

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whether or not he had to work, he had that

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internal clock going. So he would go to bed and

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I'd be up, you know, either reading or watching TV

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or whatever the case. And usually around I think I

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think it was all three nights. It was around eleven

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thirty twelve o'clock at night. Somewhere in there, maybe a

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little bit later, I would hear footsteps and breathing on

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the front porch of the cabin. And it was heavy footsteps.

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You know, I'm fairly certain that if a man had

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walked up on that porch, I probably would not have

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been able to hear it over the TV, but they were.

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It was it was loud, enough that I could hear

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the footsteps on the on the ground outside before it

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got to the porch, and then it would stand on

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the porch and then it would walk back and forth

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on the porch, and I could hear the heavy breathing.

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But there was no window on the front porch, so

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I could never see anything. They never touched the door

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or anything like that. It just stood out there and

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walked around. So Sunday morning, I woke up around i'd

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say nine to thirty ten o'clock and my dad was

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making breakfast, and we ate breakfast, and he told me,

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you go down to the river see if you can

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catch your limit. I'll pack up and clean up the

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cabin get ready for us to go because he had

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work on Monday morning. So I was probably eleven thirty

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when I walked out and went down to the to

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the water and I got down to the edge of

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the to the edge of the river, and I was

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fishing for like two hours maybe, And that whole time

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I still had that that feeling like os were on me,

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and it it was so vivid that I like was

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casting and then looking around at the trees trying to

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figure out what was looking at me. I couldn't shake it,

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I couldn't ignore it. And it got to the point

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where I was like, something's out there, like even at

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you know, twelve, you know, eleven, eleven and a half,

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twelve years old at the time, probably in that in

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that range I could. I was still like, I feel

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like I got to talk to it. I don't know

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what it is, but something's out there. Somebody's out there

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looking at me. So at some point, you know, I

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said like, I know you're there. I can, I can

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hear you, I can, I can feel you there, you know.

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And then probably forty five seconds later, I get I

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get shaky just thinking about it right now, it's crazy.

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Forty five seconds to a minute later, I hear heavy

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footsteps again like I did on the porch, but they

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were on the other side of the river from me,

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on the like on the upper side of the hill,

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because there was a big embankment, and I was hearing

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like brush moving and like twigs breaking under footfall. And

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at this point, I've been in my in the woods

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all my life. I know what it sounds like when

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a deer is walking, and you can pretty much tell

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what it sounds like when a bear's walking. It's pretty

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much one hundred percent identifiable identifiability in my opinion. But

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this was not something I'd ever heard like this, And

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it stopped, and then out of the corner of my

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eye as I was casting up the up the river

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a little bit, I kept seeing like a slight little

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bit of movement, and my heart was racing, and I

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didn't know what to think because I didn't know what

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it was. So I just said, I can, I know

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you're up there, you might as well just come on out.

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And two minutes of dead silence, no movement, no nothing,

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and then out of the trees steps probably ten foot tall,

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this massive, like dark brown, almost jet black haired sasquatch,

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and he stepped out from behind the tree that he

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was hide and behind and walked straight down the embankment

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in two steps, which it was probably a ten to

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twelve foot in bankment. It was massive, and he steps

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onto like the river rock, like the pea gravel on

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the beach of the river, and just stood there and

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stared at me. And I tried my best to just

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keep face and like ignore. It didn't have I didn't

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feel I didn't feel scared, I didn't feel afraid. I

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didn't know what its intentions were, so I just stood

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and fished, and I waited, and at some point I

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gathered up the the courage to kind of look at

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it again, and I turned and looked at it, and

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its head was kind of tilted looking at me, like

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trying to figure out what I was doing. And I

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got a really really good look at it. I was

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finally like able to make make full contact with it,

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full eye contact, and the image in my head when

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I think about it is so vivid. It's there was

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a slight, slight crest of the like slight slope to

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the forehead. Not it wasn't crested like a lot of

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people say. It wasn't like a pointed soull you know,

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like like a lot of a lot of people say.

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And it wasn't reddish brown like I feel like ninety

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percent of experiences say the redish brown. This thing was

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like almost jet black. It had gray hair on its

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chest and gray hair on its beard. And I mean

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when I say beard, I mean beard like it the face.

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The hair on the face had grown out and was

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like shaggy and was longer than the rest of its head.

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And it was starting to gray at the middle and

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sa same with the chest. It was almost like a

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like a rough rounded diamond shape of gray hair jufted

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on the chest, and it's the skin on its face

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was almost almost black like leather. It was like a

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dark gray and it was oil. And the its nose

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was kind of flattened a little bit. It was very

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very human like, but it was it was flattened a

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little bit, and and I could tell it was I

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could tell very obviously if you understand what I'm saying,

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that it was a man like it was. It was

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definitely a male. There was no doubt about that.

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Big for society will be right back after these messages.

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So I stared at this thing for like probably fifteen minutes,

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and I had on the way down, I had grabbed

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a broken twig t thats like a makeshift strainer, and

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I was holding trout that I'd caught on it the

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whole time I was there, So I had like three

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or four trout on a stringer. They were just sitting

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in the water on the edge, and I stared at

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this thing and I couldn't fish anymore. Just all I

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could do was look at it. And at some point

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it got so comfortable with me being there that it

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just stopped staring at me, and it was doing things

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that any other person or preacher would be like he

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would scratch his chest periodically, or like a fly would

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go by his face and he would slaught at the fly.

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And then after a few minutes of him just standing there,

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he looks back at me again, and then he makes

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this like almost like a yawn sound. I don't know

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how to how to describe it, really, but it was

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deep and guttural, but it wasn't aggressive. Then he walked

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to the edge of the word water and he squats

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down like Flavic style, with his with his butt on

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the heels of his feet, and reaches down into the

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water and starts skipping up water out of the river

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and drinking it out of his hand. He takes a

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few SIPs of water. He stands back up and he

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just looks back at me. And at this point, I'm like,

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I gotta get out of here. I have no idea

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what's going on right now. So I grabbed the stringer

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out of the edge of the water, and I stop

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and I look at him, and I'm just holding my

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rod in one hand, stringer on the other hand, I'm

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looking at him. He's looking at me, complete tuttal eye contact,

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and he had these like dark emerald green, really bright

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eyes and they were huge. And I looked at him

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and I was like, you can have the wall. And

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I tossed the stringer onto the bank of the river,

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and I turned around and I started walking back up

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that trail and I got probably halfway between the trail,

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or between the river and the cabin on that trail

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when I heard his footsteps clunk through the water and

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then clunk right back through the water back to the

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other side. And then I heard his his footsteps crashing

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up the hillside. The entire thing probably lasted fifteen minutes.

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They were long.

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Fifteen minutes.

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Wow, Yeah, I mean I'm talking. I stood there for

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probably five ten minutes, still casting out into the water,

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as he just stood there and watched me, trying to

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figure out what I was doing.

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Do you can I jump in with some questions, absolutely? Yeah.

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Did what you saw there was it similar to what

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you remember as an eight year old in Florida.

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So what I saw when I was an eight year

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old in Florida was very It was It's very hard

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to make out because there was so much dench vegetation there,

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so like really what I was seeing was like torso

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and shoulders and then some of like the neck and head.

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But it was bobbing through vegetation as it was going,

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because you know, we're out in the middle of you

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know bf E as I like to call it, in

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the middle of nowhere, and you know these this this

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canal was probably seven seven eight feet across. It was

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a real small, real small canal, and it was down

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that bank, up the bank and going in probably ten

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to fifteen seconds top. But I do remember brown fur

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or brown hair in the first encounters. But I did.

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I definitely didn't get the same kind of quality that

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I saw in Carolina because, like, like I said, this

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thing was right there. It was maybe thirty yards from me. Wow,

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like less than one hundred feet the river itself, that

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stretch of river is only like fifteen to twenty foot across,

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and he was like two or three feet from the

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water line. He wasn't far at all, and he was

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directly across the river from me. He stepped out and

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down that embankment were right in front of me. But

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he was I'm I'm telling you, he was probably there

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the entire time, Like he was probably watching it that

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whole weekend, because like that whole that feeling had been

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there and he didn't come out until I talked to him.

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There wasn't until I communicated with him that I was like, hey, man,

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like everything's cool, you can come out, and that's when

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he started walking down.

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It's so interesting. Your interview makes the I would say

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fourth or fifth in a row where the individual has

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talked to the Sasquatch using their vocal voice in English

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and had a direct response either a tree pushed over

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or in your case, they actually step out. And it's

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just it's very interesting for me to analyze because these

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people I'm not talking to, they don't know each other,

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so it's not like they're talking and like, oh, make

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sure you say this, Like there's a lot of really

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interesting connections that are coming out with this subject, which

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is talking verbally to the creatures and getting response, and

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I'm not sure how to deal with that, you know.

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So what's even more what's even more crazy is when

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I when I get to that, like later on down

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the line, there's you know, what happened to me in

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Arkansas as far as communication goes puts that that to shame. Okay,

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like it. It transcended what I thought was.

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Possible, and it sounds like we we will definitely get there. Yeah,

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you mentioned you mentioned that your father is uh ninety

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five percent Cherokee, and what does that make you percentage

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if you don't mind.

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So I'm roughly sixty Okay, roughly sixty. I think it's

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like fifty eight point seven or something like that. I

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did ancestry dot com and all that stuff, and like

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I got tested and everything. But yeah, it's roughly roughly

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in the sixty mark.

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Do you think have you ever had that internal thought

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where does this have something to do with it? Or

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could there be a connection there because of my heritage or.

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I don't think so. So prior to like going to

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Boone and having that interaction because of what I had

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seen in Florida, I had. As I got older, I

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started doing some research. Like in sixth grade, I read

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a book called Sasquatch that was based It was a

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story based out of Washington where a boy's father has

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an experience and they go out trying to figure it out.

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And it's a very interesting book for young adults, but

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I read all these books, started reading all these internet articles.

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I started started watching the BFRO website at this at

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this point like early stages BFRO website, seeing where people

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were seeing things and what they were seeing and all

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this stuff. And then my dad had told me because

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when I had that conversation with him the first time

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and he made me watched Legend of the Legend of

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Labaugi Creek, he said, I remember him telling me, don't

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take this movie to heart. That's not what they're like. Wow.

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And when I asked what he meant, he said, he said,

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the Cherokee think of them as the protectors of the forest.

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So when I started to get a little bit older,

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I started looking into that and I read all these

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articles from charity from Cherokee elders that were talking about

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the Susquatch people. That's the way that they described him as.

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The Susquatch people and their connection with early Cherokee nations

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as well as other other Native nations, and their communication

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back and forth, and the relationship that they had built

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living amongst each other. And one of the things that

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I read was that a lot of Cherokee odors I

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don't know about other Native American tribes. But I know

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that the Cherokee elders believed that the Sasquatch people could

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hear your thoughts so they could detect your intentions, and

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that they their communication levels transcended beyond speech basically, so

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if you know, if you went into the woods with

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intentions of killing it, it's not going to show itself.

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Is basically the mindset that I was under understanding is

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that if it's the same way with dogs, right, If

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somebody who has malintent comes into your home, your dog

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is not going to like them. If somebody tries to

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break into your house to kill you, your dog is probably

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going to react negatively to it because the dog, a

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dog can sense more than just your speech, which is

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why a dog will react to You could tell a

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dog that it's an idiot, but say it in a

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sweet way, and the dog is gonna wag its tail

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and be happy because it can sense your intent. So

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the way that I was going into this, like I

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I started having the feelings of being watched, and I

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was like, something's out there, like I should probably you know,

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just let it be right. But this whole this whole weekend,

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you know, being being watched and everything like that. When

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my dad wasn't around, I was That's the first thing

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that came to my mind, was like, if I talked

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to it, maybe it'll understand that I don't want to

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hurt it, right, So that's what I did. I talked

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to it and it come out and it was a

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very very intense, intense time.

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That is so you just opened my mind because I

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didn't know that that was part of chair legend, where

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there's the whole they can perhaps have insight into thoughts

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or intention. I thought that was a newer thing and

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that's been around forever.

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You're saying, yeah, so what I read so the I

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forget the guy's name, but there was an article that

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I read that was written in two thousand and one

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and I found it on a like a Cherokee Tribal

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Connection website where a guy had written this long, elaborate

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like here is how the Cherokee people operate, right, And

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I read this thing. It was probably like one hundred

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and fifty pages of just things that people should know

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after they find out that they're Cherokee. And it got

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into naturalist stuff like the way that they used medicine,

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the way that they would cook food or or would

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preserve food, things like that, and then it got into wildlife.

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And when it got into wildlife, one of the first

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things that it said was there are the Sasquatch people

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that protect the forest, and it gave a description and

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there was like a drawing and then the drawing was

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like two men with with you know, with bows and arrows,

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and then there was like a very very massive dark figure,

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you know, standing in a tree line was in the

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in the picture that was drawn there, and it was

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talking about how they communicate without words, meaning telepathically, that

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they that they know your intentions before before you make

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them clear, and things like that. So, yeah, it's been

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that's been a thing for a very long time, and

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I think it gets overshadowed by by other aspects of

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the possibilities of sasquatch. No.

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Absolutely, And it's interesting because that can explain how if

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you go out with other people versus other people entirely,

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you could have things happen with certain groups and then

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nothing happened with perhaps a group of people.

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That have absolutely And I mean, but here's the thing.

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It goes the same way with deer hunting. Really, I've

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been I've been hunting with people that are I just

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want to kill a deer, right, They have like no

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respect for the spirituality of hunting, you know, things like that,

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and you won't see anything all night, all day and

460
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.440
all night. And when I would hunt with my father,

461
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.160
my father like growing up, he always taught me that

462
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.119
hunting is a way of fulfilling the needs of the family.

463
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.839
So you have to be thankful for the sacrifice that

464
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:12.559
the animal is giving you. Right, So when when my

465
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.839
daughter or I would kill a deer, we would stop

466
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.359
and he would he would pray and thank thank the

467
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.559
animal for its sacrifice to feed the family. So I

468
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.720
became very connected with with hunting and fishing in a

469
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:31.680
spiritual way. And I've noticed I've noticed over the years

470
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.680
that if I go with if I go hunting alone

471
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:36.880
or with people that have a similar mindset to me,

472
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.400
I'll kill a deer every single time I'm out. But

473
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:43.680
if I go with somebody who's just hunting because they

474
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.200
want to eat some venison and they don't really care

475
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:50.920
about the naturalist side of it, then I won't see.

476
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:55.559
Anything that's extremely interesting. Thank you for being so uh

477
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.599
so open with your your heritage and what you've you've

478
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:02.000
looked into regarding that big for society will be right

479
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:03.359
back after these messages.

480
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:25.279
Oh, absolutely, kind of everything that I've experienced after that point, you.

481
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:30.839
Know, absolutely so at this at this time in North Carolina.

482
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.359
So that was the end of the weekend.

483
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:39.599
Then, yeah, that was as I was leaving basically, So

484
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.319
like I said, I got up, had breakfast dad, and

485
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.160
made breakfast, and then he was like, you go fish

486
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.039
because I can still catch my limit for the day

487
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.079
if I wanted to, And he stayed and was cleaning

488
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:51.799
up the cabin and packing everything up to your ready

489
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:53.680
to go. Because my dad was a foreman for an

490
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:55.400
electric company, so he had to be up at work

491
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.839
at five o'clock the next morning. So we were leaving

492
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.000
about two thirty o'clock thirty three o'clock in the hair

493
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.000
in because we had a three and a half hour

494
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.920
four hour drive back to back to our house. And

495
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:09.519
so I went alone, and I was down there alone,

496
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:14.680
and I was fishing for a couple of hours before

497
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.200
I really like worked up the courage to say anything

498
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.359
and try to coax it out. After that, it was

499
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:27.400
like fifteen minutes total of me and this massive ten

500
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.000
foot sasquatch staring at each other before I turned around

501
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.440
and walked back up the hill. And it was probably

502
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.880
fifteen twenty minutes after I got back to the cabin

503
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:36.920
that we left.

504
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.640
And you had no electronic things on you or you

505
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.200
weren't trying to record audio or video. It's just you

506
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:47.759
fish out, nothing like that.

507
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.920
So growing up in Florida, I had a next tell

508
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.960
because my dad was an electrician, so like his company

509
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:59.279
paid for next holes for the family. But after we

510
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.519
left Florida and we got rid of our next tells,

511
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:03.599
I didn't have a cell phone until I was probably

512
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:08.480
fourteen years old, so I didn't have any electronics stuff

513
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.279
to record at all. The only thing that I had

514
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.640
on me when I was at that river I had

515
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:16.920
I had on waiters in case I wanted to get

516
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.960
into the water, and then I had a backpack. And

517
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:26.359
then my backpack was my lures like my priors for

518
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.680
fishing hooks, and then a bottle of water and a

519
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.480
couple of grim old books. But other than that, that's

520
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.279
all I had on me the entire time. Other than

521
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.000
a fishing pole, I didn't have any electronics. I didn't

522
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:42.440
have a garment at the time or anything like that.

523
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:43.839
You know that was young.

524
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:49.240
Yeah. Wow, that's extremely extremely interesting. You said this was

525
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:50.319
around two thousand and four.

526
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.680
No, so two thousand and four is one we left Florida.

527
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:59.119
This was probably two thousand and eight, Okay, gotcha. I

528
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.400
was twelve and a half almost thirteen at the time.

529
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.319
It was about a month now that I'm really like

530
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.240
thinking on it. It was about a month before my

531
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.679
thirteenth birthday, So it would have been June of two

532
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:16.199
thousand and eight because it was just a week after

533
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:17.639
I got out of school for the year.

534
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.079
Did you have a conversation with your father about what

535
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:24.880
you saw for that fifteen minutes?

536
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:30.159
No? Wow, My father and I never talked. I never

537
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.440
talked to anybody about this until about two years ago.

538
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.440
Oh my goodness. How old are you now?

539
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:38.960
Roughly im twenty nine. I turned twenty nine just this

540
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:40.440
last month on the thirty first.

541
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.599
Dude, that's a long's that's about fourteen fifteen years.

542
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:50.199
I went thinteen years. Yeah, without talking about it, and

543
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.599
it's actually one of my biggest regrets because my father

544
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.360
passed away in twenty fourteen when I was nineteen years old. Yeah,

545
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.519
and the last couple of years his life he was

546
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.519
really sick. So I didn't. I didn't have the best

547
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:04.880
relationship with him. I had a lot of animosity towards him,

548
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:08.880
a lot of false animosity. So like, it's one of

549
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:11.960
those things that like if I could sit down and

550
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.199
have another conversation with him, I would probably tell him

551
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.119
about that, because he he would probably be as ecstatic

552
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:17.840
about it, you know.

553
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:25.599
I even would maybe guess that he'd had similar things

554
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.360
happened to himself when he was younger.

555
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.199
Who I always thought the same thing too, just because

556
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.559
of what he said when we watched that, when we

557
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.320
watched Legend a Body Creek, because like what he actually said,

558
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.960
what he said to me was don't take that movie.

559
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.840
Don't take that movie to heart because they aren't like that.

560
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.840
Like he knew, you know what I mean.

561
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:54.880
Oh absolutely, hmm. This is this is absolutely incredible of Jackson's.

562
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:59.559
So there was there was one other other encounter that

563
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:03.719
was very brief that happened in eastern shore of Maryland.

564
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:11.159
This was probably twenty thirteen about that I was eighteen

565
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.320
years old. I was just barely eighteen years old. My

566
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.960
uncle would hunt sick of deer on the eastern shore

567
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:23.719
of Maryland, and sickad dere are a small Asian breed

568
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:28.159
of deer that live in like the wetlands. So we

569
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.960
we were sitting on opposite on opposite fields. There was

570
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.000
a large piece of property was like three hundred and

571
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.360
fifty acres that we had permission to hunt on, and

572
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.719
there was a clearing that went for probably two hundred

573
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:44.800
and fifty three hundred acres of it. Most of it

574
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.159
there was about two hundred and fifty three hundred yards wide,

575
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.320
and we would sit on one side of the clearing

576
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.840
and watch to the other side because the other side

577
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:56.559
of that clearing when that tree line hit was all marshland.

578
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.000
So my uncle was sitting on one side of the property.

579
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:01.760
I was sitting on the other side of the property.

580
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.360
I was sitting in a tree stand, probably eighteen feet

581
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:10.079
in the air, and I was just scanning. I was

582
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:14.440
sitting up there with my two forty three and I

583
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.800
was just scanning, watching through the scope, looking at the

584
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.920
tree line. There was a slight fog that had rolled in.

585
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.159
It was probably four thirty eight five o'clock in the morning.

586
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.519
Sun was just barely coming up on the horizon behind us,

587
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:33.000
and so it's like this light blue gray across the

588
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:38.000
entire field, and this slight fog has come through, and

589
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.679
I was scanning across the tree line, and at some

590
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:49.519
point I crossed over a pair of shoulders and I stopped,

591
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:57.639
and I took a closer look, and right in between

592
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:03.519
three like a group of trees was the upper torso

593
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:10.840
and head that I could see of something. And I

594
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.639
stared at it for about thirty seconds, and then I

595
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:18.239
watched its head go up like like a deer does

596
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.480
when it sniffs the wind, you know. I felt the

597
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.239
wind come across the back of my neck across that field,

598
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:27.960
and then it turned and it walked across and walked

599
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.480
back into the woods and disappeared into the into the distance.

600
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:37.159
It was for maybe thirty seconds, but it was like

601
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:41.320
staring across the field, caught my wind and then just

602
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:45.440
took off and was gone. It didn't run, it didn't jog.

603
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:48.599
It just turned around and walked back into the trees

604
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:54.639
and was gone. And I killed the sick of deer

605
00:38:54.679 --> 00:39:01.440
that day.

606
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.920
Similar to what you had seen in North Carolina.

607
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.679
Yeah, I would say, I would say similar. I couldn't

608
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:12.039
really gauge how big it was because how far it

609
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.079
was four hundred yards in the distance looking through a

610
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:18.559
rifle scope. I couldn't really tell you how big it

611
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.880
was or how big it wasn't, but I know that

612
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:26.639
it was. It was definitely not the shoulders of a person.

613
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:32.119
It wasn't a human. The shoulders were massive and broad

614
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.639
and like you could see the traps connecting with the neck.

615
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.840
There was almost a lack of neck lengths because of

616
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.679
how broad and muscular the shoulders and neck was. And

617
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.960
I couldn't see any detail because of the fog. It

618
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:52.480
was just like a like an outline almost, you know,

619
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.519
like a almost like a shadow figure if if you

620
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.639
were ghost hunting. It was just there and then it

621
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.360
turned and it was gone.

622
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.639
When you are dear hunting, do you leave any part

623
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.679
of it behind or.

624
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.360
So? Yeah, when we when we stick a hunt, and

625
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.400
when we white tail hunt a lot of times, what

626
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:18.239
we do is we quarter out and carry out. So

627
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:24.239
we'll we'll we'll live butcher uh for the most part,

628
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.960
right there on on the kill site. So we'll take

629
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.079
we'll take our legs, we'll take all our all our

630
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.119
back straps, we'll take all the cuts that we want.

631
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:39.880
We go in with with my lart bags, my larne

632
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.000
lined bags to protect from the heat if we're hunting

633
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.079
in the center from and yeah, we'll go with backpacks.

634
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:49.159
We'll cut everything up, toss everything in bags, strap it

635
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:51.000
on our back, and hike it out. So a lot

636
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.360
of times we'll be leaving behind the head, the guts,

637
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:58.519
the skin most of the time, like you're gonna have

638
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:00.920
the lower ends of the leg eggs, because we're not

639
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.519
we're not going to carry all that out. We're going

640
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:09.400
we're taking the desirables. And then what we do is,

641
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.440
or at least what I do is, you know, like

642
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.519
my father called me, I say a prayer, I think,

643
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:17.760
then gable animal for its sacrifice, and then I leave

644
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.559
the rest for other nature to take care of, especially

645
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.239
when it's uh, when it's a larger gear, because that's

646
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:27.920
it's a lot of food for a lot of something,

647
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:28.440
you know what I mean.

648
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.519
I mean, if you're if you're going down the trail

649
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:40.760
of they're able to no intentions, then it might make

650
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.280
sense that they're in the same area as they know

651
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.320
you're going to be hunting, especially if they know that

652
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:48.559
you're going to not be taking the whole animal. If

653
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.639
you get an animal, I don't know if that's I

654
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.519
don't know who yeah, who knows, but.

655
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.960
That it's funny these say that because a buddy of

656
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.360
a buddy of mine a couple of years ago, actually

657
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:10.719
this was probably twenty twenty one, he told me. We

658
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:12.920
were hanging out in Discord one night and he was like, dude,

659
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:18.639
I went hunting this weekend and I killed. I killed

660
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.480
a deer and I quartered it out and I carried

661
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.840
it out to the truck. And I realized after I

662
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:24.840
got to the truck that I had left my knife

663
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:29.280
stuck in the ground at the kill because he had

664
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.400
gutted this and gutted this deer and cut it all up,

665
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:33.719
and he had stuck his knife in the ground instead

666
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:35.239
of putting it back in the sheath because he wanted

667
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.320
to clean it off before he put it away. And

668
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:40.880
he goes, so, I, you know, I put to meet

669
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:42.960
in the truck in the cooler, and I hiked back

670
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.119
out to the kill site, and my knife is still

671
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.519
stuck in the ground, but the rest of that carcass

672
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:55.199
was gone. And he had killed like a two hundred

673
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:59.639
pound white tail. Oh wow, So like that was it

674
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.639
was a amount of carcat's left there. And he said

675
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:03.199
that it was all gone. He said the only thing

676
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:08.280
that was left was blood residue on there on the grass,

677
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.760
But every bit of scrap was gone, like somebody come

678
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.440
up there and scooped it up in their arms and

679
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:16.320
took off of it.

680
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.440
Sure, man, this is so interesting to think about it

681
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.679
this way. So that was a it was a quick

682
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:30.400
but interesting thing that happened on the eastern side of Maryland.

683
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:34.119
Yeah, eastern Shore, Maryland. This was like probably forty minutes

684
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.280
from It was between the Delaware and Ocean City line,

685
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.320
so between Delaware and Ocean City, Maryland, up in the Marklands.

686
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.039
At this time. You said you're about eighteen years old.

687
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.760
Yeah, I had, so I was just about eighteen in

688
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.679
that range. It was probably twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen.

689
00:43:54.679 --> 00:44:04.360
I moved to Arkansas and there for I lived there

690
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:12.840
from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty. I moved back. I

691
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.760
moved back to Maryland just about two months before the

692
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.679
pandemic came. So I was there for a good five years.

693
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:26.840
And while I lived in Arkansas is where I kind

694
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:32.400
of got really deep into bushcraft, right, so I would

695
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:34.960
I worked for a vape shop.

696
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.840
That's what I did for a number of years. I

697
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:40.119
worked for vape shops, and whenever I had time away,

698
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.440
if I had like a long weekend or anything like that,

699
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.800
I would go off into the woods. And you know,

700
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.400
the part of Arkansas that I lived in was on

701
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.079
the Spring River. Like up in the Ozarks, there was

702
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:57.079
thousands upon thousands upon thousands of acres of unexplored everything.

703
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:03.239
And I had I had walked the Spring River one

704
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:05.639
weekend and found a little location that I liked. There

705
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.760
was about i'd say a quarter it was probably a

706
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.280
quarter mile walk from the from the river itself to

707
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.280
where I found and it was just a small clearing,

708
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:18.320
probably fifteen feet twenty feet wide, where there wasn't you know,

709
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.159
any brush or anything like that. Still had good tree cover.

710
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.639
So it was good for UH, for staying out of

711
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.000
the out of the sun and everything. And I started

712
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:32.199
slowly but surely building a like a semi permanent bushcraft

713
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:36.920
camp there. And I would go up every weekend I

714
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.719
got the chance, and I would spend a night or two,

715
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.400
or one night or two nights, whatever I could. I

716
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:46.239
would stay up there and UH and I would you know,

717
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:50.519
build build a build the camp up and build bushcraft furniture.

718
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.440
I would carve spoons and bowls the whole Nune, just

719
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:54.679
enjoying being in nature.

720
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.679
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages?

721
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.239
And I made it a very very strict rule that

722
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:18.760
when I went out there, I would not take my

723
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.480
phone because it was my escape. You know. I didn't

724
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.559
want deal with the rest of the world while I

725
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.159
was out there, so I would leave my phone at home.

726
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:34.239
I bought a garment commander GPS tracker, and I would

727
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.400
let somebody that I was friends to go like, hey,

728
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.000
this is where I'm going, is my ordinates? Is where

729
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.519
I'm going to be. If I don't come back, send

730
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:48.320
somebody looking for me. And this was so this probably happened.

731
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.280
Let's see what year was it. I had been there

732
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.840
for two and a half years, so it was probably

733
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:05.719
like October to November of two seventeen. And I went

734
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.320
up on a cold, a cold weekend. I had five

735
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.960
days off. I had asked for a couple of days off,

736
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.119
and I worked a couple of extra shifts to cover

737
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.320
myself so that I can still make bills. And I

738
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:23.639
took five days off in the woods and I left

739
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:34.280
at probably three in the morning on Sunday. And it

740
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.079
was a probably and a half four hour hikes from

741
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:41.280
where I would drop the truck off and I would

742
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.679
hike into this into this this little camp that I'd made.

743
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.719
So I hiked in. I got there probably seven thirty

744
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.199
eight o'clock in the morning, and I started to unpack

745
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:55.119
and get camp set up and cleaned up, you know,

746
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.320
brush all the spider webs off and all that, get

747
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:04.920
the get the fire pit ready. And from probably the

748
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.199
first hour I was there, I had that feeling of

749
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:14.920
being watched. And it happened really fast. It happened so fast,

750
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.840
in fact, that I didn't I didn't really realize it

751
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.159
right away because I had thought that it was just

752
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.920
nerves from just just getting out there. But after a

753
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.159
few hours of being at the camp, and you know,

754
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.079
Coloud was collecting firewood. I was walking all around these woods,

755
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.119
right and I started to notice that every time I

756
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.719
would walk somewhere, there would be another set of footsteps

757
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.639
and they would follow me, and if I stopped, they

758
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:43.519
would stop, but it would always stop like a half

759
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.320
a step after me. So you could definitely tell there

760
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:51.119
was something else walking. I walked around and collecting firewood,

761
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:56.079
I walked around looking for rocks for the fire pit.

762
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:01.360
The whole nine I walked around cutting cutting like little

763
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:03.840
three inch rounds down so that I could continue building

764
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:08.559
up the shelter. And the whole time that I was

765
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.199
doing this was just my footsteps and another set of footsteps,

766
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:20.440
and I started to wonder if I was having another experience.

767
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:26.400
So I'm sitting in I'm sitting inside the shelter. The

768
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.800
way that I had the shelter built was like an

769
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:33.239
a frame shelter that had a tarp over the back

770
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.840
of it. I had a clear plastic like painters cloth

771
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:41.000
down on the front so that when the fire was

772
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:43.639
going at night, it would radiate heat through it but

773
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.079
not perreate back out, so it would hold heat inside

774
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.480
the shelter. After that, there was walls that I built

775
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.920
up with with dead standing and like little two inch

776
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.880
rounds that I'd cut down that went around the shelter.

777
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:02.599
And then there was a like a firewall that I'd

778
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:05.840
put up with with branches and stuff. I had lined

779
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.400
it with a like a space blanket to reflect heedback

780
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.960
towards the shelter, and the fire pit was in front

781
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:17.039
of it. So I have this probably ten foot twelve

782
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.639
foot round circle of wood that I've built into this

783
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:24.760
little camp. I'm sitting inside the shelter. I've got the

784
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.039
cloth up over the top of it because it's still

785
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.039
daylight out, and I'm just sitting in there. I'm having lunch.

786
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.159
I'm sitting sitting there, eating and I start to hear

787
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:41.280
the footsteps walking around me. But they're probably like seventy

788
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.400
five yards out. I could just barely hear them. But

789
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:50.400
it was heavy footfall, like a person, but heavier, and

790
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:57.199
I could hear it walking and walking and walking. And

791
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.599
then I would think to myself, what is that walking

792
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.559
out there? I'd ever said it out loud, but I

793
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.199
would think it, like, what the heck is out there walking?

794
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.679
And every time I would think that, it would stop,

795
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.719
and then I would go back to eating my lunch

796
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.079
and it would start walking again. And it walked in

797
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.519
circles all the way around my camp for about an

798
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:24.159
hour while I sat there, eating and just relaxing. That night,

799
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.599
I'm sitting there with the fire going, and you know,

800
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:34.599
I had hiked out there with a harmonica, so I'm

801
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.800
sitting there playing the harmonica, you know, relaxing by the fire,

802
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.199
probably about to call it and call it quits for

803
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.119
the night and get some get some rest. And it's

804
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.920
just after sundown, probably eight o'clock in the evening, nine

805
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.039
o'clock in the evening, somewhere in there, and I can

806
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:58.079
start hearing that footing, them footsteps again, and I remember

807
00:51:58.159 --> 00:51:59.800
thinking to myself, I don't know what you are, but

808
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:06.760
I hear you. And it stopped, and then I heard

809
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:11.199
the footsteps come from fifty seventy five yards out to

810
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.320
about fifteen feet from the back of my shelter. And

811
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:16.280
I couldn't see anything back there because it was all

812
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:20.400
wooden tarp back there. It was all closed off to

813
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.159
keep any any critters out, but it's it was probably

814
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.400
fifteen feet from the back of my shelter, and it

815
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:32.039
stood there and I could hear it breathing, and it

816
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:37.559
sounded like, I don't even know how to explain it.

817
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:43.559
It sounded like like an ex like an exhaust almost

818
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:51.440
like it sounded like turbulent air, and it was loud.

819
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.840
And then I remember saying, who's out there? And then

820
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.519
it turned around and walked back off. And I never like,

821
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:04.039
I couldn't stand up. There was no part of me

822
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:05.880
that was like, let me look and see what this is.

823
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.119
Every part of me was like just sit there and

824
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:16.800
be quiet. Later that night and throughout the next few nights,

825
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:20.760
I would still hear it walking around in the perimeter

826
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.159
around my camp. It would throughout the night it would

827
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.559
come closer to the camp, and then it would walk

828
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:28.639
back away, and then it would come closer again, and

829
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:32.199
they would walk back away and on like the I

830
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:34.840
think it was probably the third night. Third It was

831
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.559
in the afternoon, so it was probably day three, and

832
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:45.000
I'm sitting in the camp and I'm carving spoons and

833
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.519
it had been silent for like an hour. It was

834
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:53.079
just the birds chirping and the squirrels jumping through the trees,

835
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.079
and I'm sitting there carbon spoons. And the next thing

836
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:59.960
I know, I noticed that all the sounds had stopped,

837
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:08.079
and it got eerily quiet. And then, slowly but surely,

838
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.400
through the distance, I heard those footsteps again, and they

839
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.920
were coming from off to the right, towards the back

840
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:22.880
of my shelter, but coming straight towards me. And this

841
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:29.320
was the moment that I realized that in my belief

842
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:35.280
that the Cherokee people were right, because I thought to myself,

843
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:38.800
didn't say it out loud, This was just a thought

844
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:40.920
in my head and I said, I can hear you,

845
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:51.079
and it stopped. And then I thought to myself, if

846
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:55.199
you want me to leave, just say so. And then

847
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:59.960
I heard I heard its voice for the first time,

848
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:07.840
and I I'll explain to you how the voice goes. But

849
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.159
there's a there's an actual there's actually a YouTube channel

850
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.320
that I found about two years after this experience that

851
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:18.920
verified everything for me. And I had never I had

852
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:22.159
never heard anything like it before, but I said, I

853
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:25.320
thought to myself, like, if you want me to leave,

854
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:32.679
just tell me, and it went no, and then it

855
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:39.679
went deadly silent, and I said, okay, and I went

856
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.320
back to carbon my wooden spoons, and it turned around

857
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.719
and it walked back out a little bit and then

858
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:50.639
started doing circles around the camp again. After that, it

859
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:54.480
was just circling me for a couple hours. And then

860
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.360
I started to notice, like as the evening came on,

861
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:02.320
that there was more than one set of steps, and

862
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:04.199
I would hear it in front of my camp, I

863
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:06.039
would hear it behind my camp. Then I would hear

864
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.119
it to the right of my camp, and then I

865
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.519
would hear it to the left of my camp. But

866
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:13.519
it was always too close for it to be one,

867
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:17.559
so there would be you know, thirty seconds between here

868
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:20.400
and footsteps out to my right and out to my left,

869
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:26.519
so there was at least two at all times. And

870
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:34.880
I started to talk out loud to them, saying things like,

871
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.039
you know, I'm I'm just here, just here to visit.

872
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.280
I'm not trying to encroach on your land. I don't

873
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:48.920
want no problems. I'm just here to hang out. And

874
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:54.960
at some point they started to, I think, get comfortable

875
00:56:56.679 --> 00:57:02.599
because I would hear communication between the two of them,

876
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:09.480
and they were everything from whistles to whoops. Sometimes they

877
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.760
would just whistle at each other. Sometimes they would whoop

878
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.880
at each other, and sometimes they would it was almost

879
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:22.880
like chatter, like gibberish. It wasn't anything that I could

880
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:27.519
make out, but it was like this deep gutt roll.

881
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:32.960
The only the only way that I've ever been able

882
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.480
to imitate it, it was by by doing like throat based

883
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:39.239
because I used to beat bops. But they would you

884
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:45.239
would hear it in the distance. They just sounds, is

885
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.679
what I thought it was. But it was so loud

886
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:55.559
and so like deep and gutturaled it it would it

887
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:57.400
was It was not something that a human could produce

888
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:00.559
and I would hear it on my right, I would

889
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:01.719
hear it on my left, and I would hear it

890
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:03.000
out in front of me. Then I would hear back

891
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:07.760
behind me. And it was always like different sounds, like

892
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.360
they were speaking to each other in a different language.

893
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:17.559
And they went like that through the entire day of

894
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:27.280
day four. Whoops, hollers, the you know, the chatter, the

895
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:32.920
different vocalizations all through day four. And then on the

896
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:36.440
morning of day five, when I was getting up to leave,

897
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:41.719
I was packing all my things into my backpack, and

898
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.519
I I could hear them back behind my salitaria. There

899
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:49.639
was a couple of them, and it sounded like they

900
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.480
were kind of grouped up a little bit watching me.

901
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.440
And I was pulling my tarp down and like you know,

902
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:57.480
rolling my tarf up and folding it up and packing

903
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:01.320
it away and grabbing like my kit and everything, packing

904
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:07.880
everything away, and I started getting these little pebbles, like

905
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:13.920
an inch in diameter, little smooth stone pebbles would get

906
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.480
tossed over the top of my shelter and they would

907
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:19.360
land on the other side of my shelter, like near

908
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:27.079
the fire pit. It happened like ten or fifteen times,

909
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:31.119
and eventually I was like, I'll come back someday, guys,

910
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.519
I'm just leave. I gotta go back, I gotta go home.

911
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:40.320
And it stopped. And then I heard a couple sets

912
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:44.079
of footsteps walk away from the shelter and disappear into

913
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.280
the distance. And I didn't hear anything else until I

914
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:51.000
left and I hiked back out, got my truck, and

915
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:56.719
I went home. But it was five days of like

916
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:00.320
constant It was almost like an habitual situation. They were

917
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.360
there the entire time. They were always watching me. It

918
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.599
was almost as if there was a family and they

919
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:11.880
had like like shift work watching what I was doing.

920
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.320
Because there was always at least one around. I never

921
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:20.360
saw them, never even got a glimpse, never even thought

922
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:25.360
that I saw them. But I do know that every

923
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:29.519
time that I had a thought trying to like say something,

924
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:36.159
they would respond in some way.

925
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.039
I don't I don't know how you got how you

926
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:44.239
got through that, to be honest.

927
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:50.199
Well that's so that's the thing, Like, regardless of all

928
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:55.920
this stuff happening, never once was I afraid. There was

929
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.800
never like an ounce of fear put onto me. And

930
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:03.000
I've been in the woods with everything pretty much every

931
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.519
animal in the continental US. You know what I mean,

932
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.960
Like I've been charged by brown bear or by black

933
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:12.679
bearris I've been charged by hog. Like I've been in

934
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:17.400
some scary situations and even in my experience, when there's

935
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:20.320
a bear within a hundred yards, I'm like, I don't

936
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.639
want to be here. That bear is going to try

937
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.480
to eat me and I'm gonna have to shoot it.

938
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:28.800
But never once, and I had a gun on me

939
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.000
the entire time, like I don't go into the woods

940
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:35.880
without a gun on me. But that whole time, I

941
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:42.320
never felt anything but just curiosity. There was never an

942
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:47.079
ounce of fear. It didn't feel like they were hunting me.

943
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:52.880
I didn't feel threatened. They were just trying to figure

944
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.000
out what I was doing, is what it felt like.

945
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:59.760
It was just curiosity.

946
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:05.679
Wow, Jackson, All this has given me a lot to

947
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:12.559
think about for sure. Yeah, I'm gonna look try to

948
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:16.239
find that, uh that article that you had found. I'm

949
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:17.079
honestly gonna.

950
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:20.880
Once. I don't know if you've seen have you ever

951
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:23.920
have you ever visited the channel Sasquatch Ontario.

952
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:25.360
I've heard of it.

953
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:30.880
Okay, So Sasquatch Ontario. I discovered his channel to like

954
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:33.440
a year and a half two years after that, this

955
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:38.639
incident happened in Arkansas, and the vocal the vocalizations that

956
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:44.280
he's recorded is exactly what I was hearing. And he's like,

957
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:49.599
he's got hours of recording of recordings of not only

958
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:56.880
Sasquatch vocalizing around him, but communicating with him vocally. They've

959
01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:01.280
learned his name, They've had words to him, and it

960
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:04.360
was like the way that that that those vocals sound

961
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:09.320
like that guttural, deep, like vibrato that just doesn't come

962
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.199
out of a person, is what I was hearing.

963
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:14.599
Have you ever tried reaching out to him?

964
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:20.400
I have not. I have not. I honestly like this,

965
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:22.920
the story about the story that I just told you

966
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.400
what happened in Arkansas, I've only told two people.

967
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:31.039
Wow, yeah, absolutely yeah, And thank you for sharing this

968
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:35.840
all today. I know this is a it's it's probably

969
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.639
hard to get back into that that mindset. I would

970
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:40.480
imagine as well.

971
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:48.039
I wouldn't necessarily say it's hard. It's more like I

972
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:51.239
can feel the shapes, you know what I mean. It's

973
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.000
one of these situations where you're like you, when I

974
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.800
talk about it, I relive it. I can I can

975
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.679
hear it all happening again I can. I can smell

976
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:03.559
this mells, I can hear the sounds, I can feel

977
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:05.760
the chills, you know what I mean. It's it's one

978
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:07.320
of those kind of things.

979
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:12.639
Do you still go out after this happened?

980
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.920
It's whenever I get the chance. Yeah, I mean I've

981
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:21.480
I've never shot away from from the woods, and I

982
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:25.000
still went back out to that same shelter probably six seven,

983
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:30.719
eight more times. I've spent quite quite a few, quite

984
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:32.760
a few weekends out there at that at that shelter,

985
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:37.119
and it never it never really happened again like that.

986
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.920
I mean I would I would hear, you know, footfall

987
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:44.679
every once in a while, or I would hear twigs

988
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:46.079
break every once in a while. But it was nothing

989
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.639
that I couldn't I couldn't attribute to a passing gear

990
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:53.119
or a skunk or anything else that the woods has

991
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:58.239
to offer just passing through the area. But that that weekend,

992
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:03.400
or that that five days povity span was undeniably something

993
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:06.400
I could not explain, you know.

994
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:15.119
Wow, oh Man Jackson, thank you, thank you for sharing

995
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:20.239
all this. If listeners were listening carefully, there's a lot

996
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.000
you can take away from this, and it'll be interesting

997
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:29.119
to see how this affects people after they hear it,

998
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:32.079
and I think some people might be reaching out as

999
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:35.719
well after this, regarding certain things you were talking about,

1000
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:39.039
like to do with intent and thoughts and things like that.

1001
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:45.880
So yeah, yeah, it's such an interesting like thought thought

1002
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:50.519
process to go through. But the more that I thought

1003
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.519
about it over the years, the more it made sense,

1004
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.079
because you know, there's there's been hundreds of stories of

1005
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:03.800
like search He's going out and looking for you, looking

1006
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:06.360
for sasquatch or you know, looking for the creature in

1007
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:08.960
the night or whatever the case, and they don't ever

1008
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.559
come back with anything. They come back empty handed every

1009
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:19.800
single time. And if you know, if something that big

1010
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:25.199
and that's smart and that stealthy knows what you want,

1011
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:29.599
it ain't going near you, that's for sure. Yeah.

1012
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:32.440
If you're just out to make a documentary or you're

1013
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:36.840
out there to become rich and famous or to try

1014
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.519
to be the first one that bags one, you're probably

1015
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:43.440
not going to have much happen, I would guess. Yeah,

1016
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.000
uh yeah, it's it's a lot to think about. And

1017
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:50.519
uh Jackson, I would get it sounds like is that

1018
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.760
the the most recent thing that has happened then.

1019
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:56.880
Yeah, Yeah, So that was That was the most recent

1020
01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:02.079
like vivid interaction that I had was in Arkansas.

1021
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:05.119
If someone's to ask you, you know, what do you think

1022
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:10.639
bigfoot or sasquatches? What is your answer? Recurring that?

1023
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.320
So I've had this discussion with a few with a

1024
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:18.800
few people before, and a lot of times people like

1025
01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:21.840
walk away from the discussion with a different view on things.

1026
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:27.679
But I have done a lot of research on Sasquatch,

1027
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:31.599
and I have I've spent a lot of time in

1028
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:34.199
the woods, and I like as as you know now

1029
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:39.119
like I've I've experienced some very interesting things. And from

1030
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:42.440
all of the research that I've done and all the

1031
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:47.719
experiences that I've had, my my best answer is that

1032
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:52.800
they are just another people with a lot higher ability

1033
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:59.679
than others. You know, like we're talking about a bipedal

1034
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:07.559
hominid that walks like us, acts like us, talks, can

1035
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:16.199
talk like us, uses language, uses tools, build structure. Probably berries,

1036
01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:21.119
it's dead because we're not out here. Found in sasquatch bones,

1037
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:29.479
you know, eats eats a balanced diet. Like There's been

1038
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:34.119
story there's been stories of of people watching them pick berries.

1039
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:37.960
There's you know, people have seen them hunting bison, people

1040
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:41.359
have seen them hunting deer. They have you know, I

1041
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:45.119
I gave I gave them, I gave them fish. You know,

1042
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.600
like we're talking about something that is far more intelligent

1043
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.399
than anything else that we believe that we have in

1044
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.880
the woods and through all those things. That's the way

1045
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:58.600
that I look at it. It's it's it's a it's

1046
01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.960
a much more advanced person.

1047
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:06.760
Extremely interesting. Would if you had the chance to see

1048
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:09.680
one again, would you be okay with that?

1049
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:19.000
Yeah, like I said, man, like I've I never once

1050
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:23.439
had a shred of fear, like I never I never

1051
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:34.239
felt afraid. I was perfectly fine. I never was was worried.

1052
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:38.840
I never, you know, like I said, I other than

1053
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:40.680
you know, when I was young, like after being an

1054
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:42.520
adult going into the woods, I've never gone into the

1055
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:44.520
woods after the age of eighteen without a pistol or

1056
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:49.800
a raffle, And even with that knowledge in my head,

1057
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:56.760
never reached for my gun. There was no need because

1058
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:02.920
I didn't think the they were going to hurt me. So,

1059
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.720
you know, if if the chance ever does come up,

1060
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:10.640
then yeah, more than more than happy to to interact

1061
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:17.479
with them again, more than happy to, especially after like

1062
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:21.680
all the years of going through those, you know, those interactions,

1063
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:25.000
and and doing all the research that I have and

1064
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:26.960
learning all the things that I have, because I feel

1065
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.760
like every experience that I would have in the future,

1066
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:32.600
each experience would just get more and more in depth.

1067
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:39.680
Absolutely, and Jackson, I appreciate you coming on the show today.

1068
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:43.840
You've given us a lot to think about and just

1069
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:45.640
just thank you. Thank you for coming on.

1070
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.439
Yeh Man, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

1071
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:51.399
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1072
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1075
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1077
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1078
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:15.279
had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know

1079
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.560
someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

1080
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:23.039
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1081
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:26.720
Here's the list. If you've had any encounters in Oregon,

1082
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:29.279
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1083
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:32.319
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1084
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:36.119
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1085
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1086
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:43.279
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1087
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1089
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1090
01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:56.199
thanks for listening.

1091
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:47.520
Her and I can get on here. We can tell

1092
01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:50.840
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's

1093
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.800
too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give

1094
01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:56.439
them the courage to come out. And now I feel

1095
01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.640
so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I

1096
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:02.920
know what I saw, I know what's up there. That's

1097
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:22.279
all I care about. Please let people know, Please let

1098
01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:25.279
them know. If you ever see one of these things,

1099
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:29.199
you need you tell, because if you don't, then shame

1100
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:41.720
on you. You have. Shame on you.