It Heard My Thoughts! | 5 Days with Sasquatch in Arkansas

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0:48 He's an individual that left a YouTube comment on one of my episodes, and so I always try to reach out to individuals that leave a comment, and he was actually able to go ahead and contact me back thankfully. And Jackson, it's a pleasure to have you on the show today. Hey man, it's a pleasure to be here. I appreciate it absolutely. We were talking in the pre interview, and we are going to go to some really interesting places in this interview, but you know, I'm just going to go ahead and pass it right over to you and just kind of take us back to the beginning what we need to know and how it all started for you. Yeah, gotcha. So just to give you a little bit of background about me, I grew up in sort of like west central Florida, like near the Everglades, in a little area called the Golden gatea States, which at the time was severely less built up than it is now.

1:47 Talking my road, my street that I lived on was like three and a half miles long, and there was five houses on it, so you know, we were real spread apart, and there was a lot of dense woodland out there, a lot of canals intertwining and things like that. So my first, my first encounter ever actually happened in the woods about probably seven hundred and fifty meters from my house. There was a trail at the end of our road that me and the boys up the road used to ride fur whelers on them things. And on one of these trails there was a big pile of crushed stone that they were probably going to use for some kind of some kind of home build or something on the canal, but it had been there for years and we would go out there and climb on it because there was little holes that the rattlesnakes would would nest in, and we would go up there looking for rattlesnake eggs after they'd hatched, to see if we could find any MP eggs. When we were climbing up there one night, probably like five point thirty six o'clock in the afternoons, close to dinner time, someone was about to go down and myself and another boy named Michael, who was about two years older than me at the time, we were all the way at the top of the peak, which was probably thirty five foot up, and we were sitting up there talking and it was it was pretty quiet because the other boys were down below us, and

3:20 we heard branches snapping, and he thought it was a bear, so he started sliding down the rock the rock pile, and I looked out across and just about probably one hundred and fifty meters maybe two hundred meters out there was the canal line and there was a very very brief siding, probably fifteen seconds total. But I watched this medium, small, medium sized sasquatch. Come down the small embankment into the canal, stepped through the canal and then back of the enbank on the other side, and then it disappeared into the woods very quickly.

4:07 And at the time I didn't know anything. Obviously, I was young. I was probably eight years old at the time, nine years old. I didn't know anything about sasquatch, and you know, I was a little bit shaken, but I was like, maybe it was a bear. You know, we'd had bear problems in the area, digging through trash and stuff. And I went home and I told my dad about it. Now, my dad was like ninety five percent Cherokee, and I told him about it, and I remember like his face going white. And then he sat me down that night because my mom worked night shift, so it was just me and dad at home, and he sat me down that night and made me watch the Legend of Bulgy Creek and was asking me a bunch of questions, like does this look like what you saw this? You know the home nine And ironically enough, that was the only conversation that we had ever had regarding Sasquatch, and like I said, it was a brief, brief interaction, but that was the only one that I had for like three and a half four years. Somewhere around two thousand and four, two thousand and five, we moved from Florida to North Carolina.

5:31 And when we uh when we moved there, we were living in like the Greensboro area, like a you know, a decent sized city, and I didn't get to get out and get in the woods as much as I liked to. And my dad and I decided at the like the end of two thousand and eight to go out with summer in two thousand and eight, to go out and spend some time up in the mountains and go fishing and get a weekend away, get back to back to our roots. You know. So we had been there a couple of times before visiting in North Carolina in the past, but we drove up to like the area just outside of Boone, North Carolina, and he rented a cabin from a guy in like the Penny Saver that was sitting on the Watauga River river which we had fished countless countless times before visiting.

6:37 And I've fished hundreds of times since since then. But we were, you know, just outside of Boone, North Carolina, and the cabin was sitting like up from a hill, and about fifty yards from the cabin was the tree line, and there was a trail through the trees that went down about another four hundred and fifty yards down the side of the hill that wound up at the river. And the spot of the river that we were at had a straight stretch of probably one hundred one hundred and fifty yards and then it turned into like into a wind that wound down the rest of the mountain side and U during during this trip, the water was still kind of hot because we had recently had some good rain. But even at the water being high, it was only like two and a half three feet deep.

7:26 We spent the entire weekend from we got there Friday afternoon, probably one point thirty two o'clock in the afternoon, we unpacked, went straight to the river, and we fished the whole time, the whole day. And I did that every day up until Sunday morning. Sunday morning, now, the whole time we were there. You know, I don't know about him, because we never talked about it. One of my biggest regrets is never talking to him about it, because you know, I no longer can. But the whole time we were there, I had that feeling like somebody's looking at me the entire time while we were fishing, while we were at the cabin, the entire time. On top of that, every night, you know, my dad was an older guy, he'd fell asleep early every night. He was one of those guys that went to sleep at nine, woke up at four point thirty, whether or not he had an alarm set, whether or not he had to work, he had that internal clock going. So he would go to bed and I'd be up, you know, either reading or watching TV or whatever the case. And usually around I think I think it was all three nights. It was around eleven thirty twelve o'clock at night. Somewhere in there, maybe a little bit later, I would hear footsteps and breathing on the front porch of the cabin. And it was heavy footsteps.

8:56 You know, I'm fairly certain that if a man had walked up on that porch, I probably would not have been able to hear it over the TV, but they were. It was it was loud, enough that I could hear the footsteps on the on the ground outside before it got to the porch, and then it would stand on the porch and then it would walk back and forth on the porch, and I could hear the heavy breathing. But there was no window on the front porch, so I could never see anything. They never touched the door or anything like that. It just stood out there and walked around. So Sunday morning, I woke up around i'd say nine to thirty ten o'clock and my dad was making breakfast, and we ate breakfast, and he told me, you go down to the river see if you can catch your limit. I'll pack up and clean up the cabin get ready for us to go because he had work on Monday morning. So I was probably eleven thirty when I walked out and went down to the to the water and I got down to the edge of the to the edge of the river, and I was fishing for like two hours maybe, And that whole time I still had that that feeling like os were on me, and it it was so vivid that I like was casting and then looking around at the trees trying to figure out what was looking at me. I couldn't shake it, I couldn't ignore it. And it got to the point

10:28 where I was like, something's out there, like even at you know, twelve, you know, eleven, eleven and a half, twelve years old at the time, probably in that in that range I could. I was still like, I feel like I got to talk to it. I don't know what it is, but something's out there. Somebody's out there looking at me. So at some point, you know, I said like, I know you're there. I can, I can hear you, I can, I can feel you there, you know. And then probably forty five seconds later, I get I get shaky just thinking about it right now, it's crazy. Forty five seconds to a minute later, I hear heavy footsteps again like I did on the porch, but they were on the other side of the river from me, on the like on the upper side of the hill, because there was a big embankment, and I was hearing like brush moving and like twigs breaking under footfall. And at this point, I've been in my in the woods all my life. I know what it sounds like when a deer is walking, and you can pretty much tell what it sounds like when a bear's walking. It's pretty much one hundred percent identifiable identifiability in my opinion. But this was not something I'd ever heard like this, And it stopped, and then out of the corner of my eye as I was casting up the up the river a little bit, I kept seeing like a slight little bit of movement, and my heart was racing, and I

12:03 didn't know what to think because I didn't know what it was. So I just said, I can, I know you're up there, you might as well just come on out. And two minutes of dead silence, no movement, no nothing, and then out of the trees steps probably ten foot tall, this massive, like dark brown, almost jet black haired sasquatch, and he stepped out from behind the tree that he was hide and behind and walked straight down the embankment in two steps, which it was probably a ten to twelve foot in bankment. It was massive, and he steps onto like the river rock, like the pea gravel on the beach of the river, and just stood there and stared at me. And I tried my best to just keep face and like ignore. It didn't have I didn't feel I didn't feel scared, I didn't feel afraid. I didn't know what its intentions were, so I just stood and fished, and I waited, and at some point I gathered up the the courage to kind of look at it again, and I turned and looked at it, and its head was kind of tilted looking at me, like trying to figure out what I was doing. And I

13:34 got a really really good look at it. I was finally like able to make make full contact with it, full eye contact, and the image in my head when I think about it is so vivid. It's there was a slight, slight crest of the like slight slope to the forehead. Not it wasn't crested like a lot of people say. It wasn't like a pointed soull you know, like like a lot of a lot of people say. And it wasn't reddish brown like I feel like ninety percent of experiences say the redish brown. This thing was like almost jet black. It had gray hair on its chest and gray hair on its beard. And I mean when I say beard, I mean beard like it the face.

14:30 The hair on the face had grown out and was like shaggy and was longer than the rest of its head. And it was starting to gray at the middle and sa same with the chest. It was almost like a like a rough rounded diamond shape of gray hair jufted on the chest, and it's the skin on its face was almost almost black like leather. It was like a dark gray and it was oil. And the its nose was kind of flattened a little bit. It was very very human like, but it was it was flattened a little bit, and and I could tell it was I could tell very obviously if you understand what I'm saying, that it was a man like it was. It was definitely a male. There was no doubt about that.

15:24 Big for society will be right back after these messages. So I stared at this thing for like probably fifteen minutes, and I had on the way down, I had grabbed a broken twig t thats like a makeshift strainer, and I was holding trout that I'd caught on it the whole time I was there, So I had like three or four trout on a stringer. They were just sitting in the water on the edge, and I stared at this thing and I couldn't fish anymore. Just all I could do was look at it. And at some point it got so comfortable with me being there that it just stopped staring at me, and it was doing things that any other person or preacher would be like he would scratch his chest periodically, or like a fly would go by his face and he would slaught at the fly.

16:38 And then after a few minutes of him just standing there, he looks back at me again, and then he makes this like almost like a yawn sound. I don't know how to how to describe it, really, but it was deep and guttural, but it wasn't aggressive. Then he walked to the edge of the word water and he squats down like Flavic style, with his with his butt on the heels of his feet, and reaches down into the water and starts skipping up water out of the river and drinking it out of his hand. He takes a few SIPs of water. He stands back up and he just looks back at me. And at this point, I'm like, I gotta get out of here. I have no idea what's going on right now. So I grabbed the stringer out of the edge of the water, and I stop and I look at him, and I'm just holding my rod in one hand, stringer on the other hand, I'm looking at him. He's looking at me, complete tuttal eye contact, and he had these like dark emerald green, really bright eyes and they were huge. And I looked at him and I was like, you can have the wall. And I tossed the stringer onto the bank of the river, and I turned around and I started walking back up

18:09 that trail and I got probably halfway between the trail, or between the river and the cabin on that trail when I heard his footsteps clunk through the water and then clunk right back through the water back to the other side. And then I heard his his footsteps crashing up the hillside. The entire thing probably lasted fifteen minutes. They were long. Fifteen minutes. Wow, Yeah, I mean I'm talking. I stood there for probably five ten minutes, still casting out into the water, as he just stood there and watched me, trying to figure out what I was doing.

18:54 Do you can I jump in with some questions, absolutely? Yeah. Did what you saw there was it similar to what you remember as an eight year old in Florida. So what I saw when I was an eight year old in Florida was very It was It's very hard to make out because there was so much dench vegetation there, so like really what I was seeing was like torso and shoulders and then some of like the neck and head. But it was bobbing through vegetation as it was going, because you know, we're out in the middle of you know bf E as I like to call it, in the middle of nowhere, and you know these this this canal was probably seven seven eight feet across. It was a real small, real small canal, and it was down that bank, up the bank and going in probably ten to fifteen seconds top. But I do remember brown fur or brown hair in the first encounters. But I did.

20:11 I definitely didn't get the same kind of quality that I saw in Carolina because, like, like I said, this thing was right there. It was maybe thirty yards from me. Wow, like less than one hundred feet the river itself, that stretch of river is only like fifteen to twenty foot across, and he was like two or three feet from the water line. He wasn't far at all, and he was directly across the river from me. He stepped out and down that embankment were right in front of me. But he was I'm I'm telling you, he was probably there the entire time, Like he was probably watching it that whole weekend, because like that whole that feeling had been there and he didn't come out until I talked to him.

21:04 There wasn't until I communicated with him that I was like, hey, man, like everything's cool, you can come out, and that's when he started walking down. It's so interesting. Your interview makes the I would say fourth or fifth in a row where the individual has talked to the Sasquatch using their vocal voice in English and had a direct response either a tree pushed over or in your case, they actually step out. And it's just it's very interesting for me to analyze because these people I'm not talking to, they don't know each other, so it's not like they're talking and like, oh, make sure you say this, Like there's a lot of really interesting connections that are coming out with this subject, which is talking verbally to the creatures and getting response, and I'm not sure how to deal with that, you know.

22:03 So what's even more what's even more crazy is when I when I get to that, like later on down the line, there's you know, what happened to me in Arkansas as far as communication goes puts that that to shame. Okay, like it. It transcended what I thought was. Possible, and it sounds like we we will definitely get there. Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned that your father is uh ninety five percent Cherokee, and what does that make you percentage if you don't mind. So I'm roughly sixty Okay, roughly sixty. I think it's like fifty eight point seven or something like that. I did ancestry dot com and all that stuff, and like I got tested and everything. But yeah, it's roughly roughly in the sixty mark.

22:55 Do you think have you ever had that internal thought where does this have something to do with it? Or could there be a connection there because of my heritage or. I don't think so. So prior to like going to Boone and having that interaction because of what I had seen in Florida, I had. As I got older, I started doing some research. Like in sixth grade, I read a book called Sasquatch that was based It was a story based out of Washington where a boy's father has an experience and they go out trying to figure it out. And it's a very interesting book for young adults, but I read all these books, started reading all these internet articles.

23:40 I started started watching the BFRO website at this at this point like early stages BFRO website, seeing where people were seeing things and what they were seeing and all this stuff. And then my dad had told me because when I had that conversation with him the first time and he made me watched Legend of the Legend of Labaugi Creek, he said, I remember him telling me, don't take this movie to heart. That's not what they're like. Wow. And when I asked what he meant, he said, he said, the Cherokee think of them as the protectors of the forest.

24:23 So when I started to get a little bit older, I started looking into that and I read all these articles from charity from Cherokee elders that were talking about the Susquatch people. That's the way that they described him as. The Susquatch people and their connection with early Cherokee nations as well as other other Native nations, and their communication back and forth, and the relationship that they had built living amongst each other. And one of the things that I read was that a lot of Cherokee odors I don't know about other Native American tribes. But I know that the Cherokee elders believed that the Sasquatch people could hear your thoughts so they could detect your intentions, and that they their communication levels transcended beyond speech basically, so if you know, if you went into the woods with intentions of killing it, it's not going to show itself.

25:33 Is basically the mindset that I was under understanding is that if it's the same way with dogs, right, If somebody who has malintent comes into your home, your dog is not going to like them. If somebody tries to break into your house to kill you, your dog is probably going to react negatively to it because the dog, a dog can sense more than just your speech, which is why a dog will react to You could tell a dog that it's an idiot, but say it in a sweet way, and the dog is gonna wag its tail and be happy because it can sense your intent. So the way that I was going into this, like I I started having the feelings of being watched, and I was like, something's out there, like I should probably you know, just let it be right. But this whole this whole weekend, you know, being being watched and everything like that. When my dad wasn't around, I was That's the first thing that came to my mind, was like, if I talked to it, maybe it'll understand that I don't want to hurt it, right, So that's what I did. I talked to it and it come out and it was a very very intense, intense time.

26:54 That is so you just opened my mind because I didn't know that that was part of chair legend, where there's the whole they can perhaps have insight into thoughts or intention. I thought that was a newer thing and that's been around forever. You're saying, yeah, so what I read so the I forget the guy's name, but there was an article that I read that was written in two thousand and one and I found it on a like a Cherokee Tribal Connection website where a guy had written this long, elaborate like here is how the Cherokee people operate, right, And I read this thing. It was probably like one hundred and fifty pages of just things that people should know after they find out that they're Cherokee. And it got into naturalist stuff like the way that they used medicine, the way that they would cook food or or would preserve food, things like that, and then it got into wildlife.

28:08 And when it got into wildlife, one of the first things that it said was there are the Sasquatch people that protect the forest, and it gave a description and there was like a drawing and then the drawing was like two men with with you know, with bows and arrows, and then there was like a very very massive dark figure, you know, standing in a tree line was in the in the picture that was drawn there, and it was talking about how they communicate without words, meaning telepathically, that they that they know your intentions before before you make them clear, and things like that. So, yeah, it's been that's been a thing for a very long time, and I think it gets overshadowed by by other aspects of the possibilities of sasquatch. No.

29:08 Absolutely, And it's interesting because that can explain how if you go out with other people versus other people entirely, you could have things happen with certain groups and then nothing happened with perhaps a group of people. That have absolutely And I mean, but here's the thing. It goes the same way with deer hunting. Really, I've been I've been hunting with people that are I just want to kill a deer, right, They have like no respect for the spirituality of hunting, you know, things like that, and you won't see anything all night, all day and all night. And when I would hunt with my father, my father like growing up, he always taught me that hunting is a way of fulfilling the needs of the family.

30:03 So you have to be thankful for the sacrifice that the animal is giving you. Right, So when when my daughter or I would kill a deer, we would stop and he would he would pray and thank thank the animal for its sacrifice to feed the family. So I became very connected with with hunting and fishing in a spiritual way. And I've noticed I've noticed over the years that if I go with if I go hunting alone or with people that have a similar mindset to me, I'll kill a deer every single time I'm out. But if I go with somebody who's just hunting because they want to eat some venison and they don't really care about the naturalist side of it, then I won't see.

30:50 Anything that's extremely interesting. Thank you for being so uh so open with your your heritage and what you've you've looked into regarding that big for society will be right back after these messages. Oh, absolutely, kind of everything that I've experienced after that point, you. Know, absolutely so at this at this time in North Carolina.

31:31 So that was the end of the weekend. Then, yeah, that was as I was leaving basically, So like I said, I got up, had breakfast dad, and made breakfast, and then he was like, you go fish because I can still catch my limit for the day if I wanted to, And he stayed and was cleaning up the cabin and packing everything up to your ready to go. Because my dad was a foreman for an electric company, so he had to be up at work at five o'clock the next morning. So we were leaving about two thirty o'clock thirty three o'clock in the hair in because we had a three and a half hour four hour drive back to back to our house. And so I went alone, and I was down there alone, and I was fishing for a couple of hours before I really like worked up the courage to say anything and try to coax it out. After that, it was like fifteen minutes total of me and this massive ten foot sasquatch staring at each other before I turned around and walked back up the hill. And it was probably fifteen twenty minutes after I got back to the cabin that we left.

32:39 And you had no electronic things on you or you weren't trying to record audio or video. It's just you fish out, nothing like that. So growing up in Florida, I had a next tell because my dad was an electrician, so like his company paid for next holes for the family. But after we left Florida and we got rid of our next tells, I didn't have a cell phone until I was probably fourteen years old, so I didn't have any electronics stuff to record at all. The only thing that I had on me when I was at that river I had I had on waiters in case I wanted to get into the water, and then I had a backpack. And then my backpack was my lures like my priors for fishing hooks, and then a bottle of water and a couple of grim old books. But other than that, that's all I had on me the entire time. Other than a fishing pole, I didn't have any electronics. I didn't have a garment at the time or anything like that.

33:42 You know that was young. Yeah. Wow, that's extremely extremely interesting. You said this was around two thousand and four. No, so two thousand and four is one we left Florida. This was probably two thousand and eight, Okay, gotcha. I was twelve and a half almost thirteen at the time. It was about a month now that I'm really like thinking on it. It was about a month before my thirteenth birthday, So it would have been June of two thousand and eight because it was just a week after I got out of school for the year. Did you have a conversation with your father about what you saw for that fifteen minutes?

34:26 No? Wow, My father and I never talked. I never talked to anybody about this until about two years ago. Oh my goodness. How old are you now? Roughly im twenty nine. I turned twenty nine just this last month on the thirty first. Dude, that's a long's that's about fourteen fifteen years. I went thinteen years. Yeah, without talking about it, and it's actually one of my biggest regrets because my father passed away in twenty fourteen when I was nineteen years old. Yeah, and the last couple of years his life he was really sick. So I didn't. I didn't have the best relationship with him. I had a lot of animosity towards him, a lot of false animosity. So like, it's one of those things that like if I could sit down and have another conversation with him, I would probably tell him about that, because he he would probably be as ecstatic about it, you know.

35:19 I even would maybe guess that he'd had similar things happened to himself when he was younger. Who I always thought the same thing too, just because of what he said when we watched that, when we watched Legend a Body Creek, because like what he actually said, what he said to me was don't take that movie. Don't take that movie to heart because they aren't like that. Like he knew, you know what I mean. Oh absolutely, hmm. This is this is absolutely incredible of Jackson's. So there was there was one other other encounter that was very brief that happened in eastern shore of Maryland.

36:03 This was probably twenty thirteen about that I was eighteen years old. I was just barely eighteen years old. My uncle would hunt sick of deer on the eastern shore of Maryland, and sickad dere are a small Asian breed of deer that live in like the wetlands. So we we were sitting on opposite on opposite fields. There was a large piece of property was like three hundred and fifty acres that we had permission to hunt on, and there was a clearing that went for probably two hundred and fifty three hundred acres of it. Most of it there was about two hundred and fifty three hundred yards wide, and we would sit on one side of the clearing and watch to the other side because the other side of that clearing when that tree line hit was all marshland.

36:58 So my uncle was sitting on one side of the property. I was sitting on the other side of the property. I was sitting in a tree stand, probably eighteen feet in the air, and I was just scanning. I was sitting up there with my two forty three and I was just scanning, watching through the scope, looking at the tree line. There was a slight fog that had rolled in. It was probably four thirty eight five o'clock in the morning. Sun was just barely coming up on the horizon behind us, and so it's like this light blue gray across the entire field, and this slight fog has come through, and I was scanning across the tree line, and at some point I crossed over a pair of shoulders and I stopped, and I took a closer look, and right in between three like a group of trees was the upper torso and head that I could see of something. And I stared at it for about thirty seconds, and then I watched its head go up like like a deer does when it sniffs the wind, you know. I felt the wind come across the back of my neck across that field, and then it turned and it walked across and walked back into the woods and disappeared into the into the distance.

38:32 It was for maybe thirty seconds, but it was like staring across the field, caught my wind and then just took off and was gone. It didn't run, it didn't jog. It just turned around and walked back into the trees and was gone. And I killed the sick of deer that day. Similar to what you had seen in North Carolina. Yeah, I would say, I would say similar. I couldn't really gauge how big it was because how far it was four hundred yards in the distance looking through a rifle scope. I couldn't really tell you how big it was or how big it wasn't, but I know that it was. It was definitely not the shoulders of a person.

39:27 It wasn't a human. The shoulders were massive and broad and like you could see the traps connecting with the neck. There was almost a lack of neck lengths because of how broad and muscular the shoulders and neck was. And I couldn't see any detail because of the fog. It was just like a like an outline almost, you know, like a almost like a shadow figure if if you were ghost hunting. It was just there and then it turned and it was gone. When you are dear hunting, do you leave any part of it behind or.

40:08 So? Yeah, when we when we stick a hunt, and when we white tail hunt a lot of times, what we do is we quarter out and carry out. So we'll we'll we'll live butcher uh for the most part, right there on on the kill site. So we'll take we'll take our legs, we'll take all our all our back straps, we'll take all the cuts that we want. We go in with with my lart bags, my larne lined bags to protect from the heat if we're hunting in the center from and yeah, we'll go with backpacks. We'll cut everything up, toss everything in bags, strap it on our back, and hike it out. So a lot of times we'll be leaving behind the head, the guts, the skin most of the time, like you're gonna have the lower ends of the leg eggs, because we're not we're not going to carry all that out. We're going we're taking the desirables. And then what we do is, or at least what I do is, you know, like my father called me, I say a prayer, I think, then gable animal for its sacrifice, and then I leave the rest for other nature to take care of, especially when it's uh, when it's a larger gear, because that's it's a lot of food for a lot of something, you know what I mean.

41:32 I mean, if you're if you're going down the trail of they're able to no intentions, then it might make sense that they're in the same area as they know you're going to be hunting, especially if they know that you're going to not be taking the whole animal. If you get an animal, I don't know if that's I don't know who yeah, who knows, but. That it's funny these say that because a buddy of a buddy of mine a couple of years ago, actually this was probably twenty twenty one, he told me. We were hanging out in Discord one night and he was like, dude, I went hunting this weekend and I killed. I killed a deer and I quartered it out and I carried it out to the truck. And I realized after I got to the truck that I had left my knife stuck in the ground at the kill because he had gutted this and gutted this deer and cut it all up, and he had stuck his knife in the ground instead of putting it back in the sheath because he wanted to clean it off before he put it away. And he goes, so, I, you know, I put to meet in the truck in the cooler, and I hiked back out to the kill site, and my knife is still stuck in the ground, but the rest of that carcass was gone. And he had killed like a two hundred pound white tail. Oh wow, So like that was it was a amount of carcat's left there. And he said that it was all gone. He said the only thing

43:03 that was left was blood residue on there on the grass, But every bit of scrap was gone, like somebody come up there and scooped it up in their arms and took off of it. Sure, man, this is so interesting to think about it this way. So that was a it was a quick but interesting thing that happened on the eastern side of Maryland. Yeah, eastern Shore, Maryland. This was like probably forty minutes from It was between the Delaware and Ocean City line, so between Delaware and Ocean City, Maryland, up in the Marklands.

43:43 At this time. You said you're about eighteen years old. Yeah, I had, so I was just about eighteen in that range. It was probably twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen. I moved to Arkansas and there for I lived there from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty. I moved back. I moved back to Maryland just about two months before the pandemic came. So I was there for a good five years. And while I lived in Arkansas is where I kind of got really deep into bushcraft, right, so I would I worked for a vape shop.

44:35 That's what I did for a number of years. I worked for vape shops, and whenever I had time away, if I had like a long weekend or anything like that, I would go off into the woods. And you know, the part of Arkansas that I lived in was on the Spring River. Like up in the Ozarks, there was thousands upon thousands upon thousands of acres of unexplored everything. And I had I had walked the Spring River one weekend and found a little location that I liked. There was about i'd say a quarter it was probably a quarter mile walk from the from the river itself to where I found and it was just a small clearing, probably fifteen feet twenty feet wide, where there wasn't you know, any brush or anything like that. Still had good tree cover.

45:21 So it was good for UH, for staying out of the out of the sun and everything. And I started slowly but surely building a like a semi permanent bushcraft camp there. And I would go up every weekend I got the chance, and I would spend a night or two, or one night or two nights, whatever I could. I would stay up there and UH and I would you know, build build a build the camp up and build bushcraft furniture. I would carve spoons and bowls the whole Nune, just enjoying being in nature. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages?

46:14 And I made it a very very strict rule that when I went out there, I would not take my phone because it was my escape. You know. I didn't want deal with the rest of the world while I was out there, so I would leave my phone at home. I bought a garment commander GPS tracker, and I would let somebody that I was friends to go like, hey, this is where I'm going, is my ordinates? Is where I'm going to be. If I don't come back, send somebody looking for me. And this was so this probably happened. Let's see what year was it. I had been there for two and a half years, so it was probably like October to November of two seventeen. And I went up on a cold, a cold weekend. I had five days off. I had asked for a couple of days off, and I worked a couple of extra shifts to cover myself so that I can still make bills. And I took five days off in the woods and I left at probably three in the morning on Sunday. And it was a probably and a half four hour hikes from where I would drop the truck off and I would hike into this into this this little camp that I'd made.

47:45 So I hiked in. I got there probably seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning, and I started to unpack and get camp set up and cleaned up, you know, brush all the spider webs off and all that, get the get the fire pit ready. And from probably the first hour I was there, I had that feeling of being watched. And it happened really fast. It happened so fast, in fact, that I didn't I didn't really realize it right away because I had thought that it was just nerves from just just getting out there. But after a few hours of being at the camp, and you know, Coloud was collecting firewood. I was walking all around these woods, right and I started to notice that every time I would walk somewhere, there would be another set of footsteps and they would follow me, and if I stopped, they would stop, but it would always stop like a half a step after me. So you could definitely tell there was something else walking. I walked around and collecting firewood, I walked around looking for rocks for the fire pit.

48:57 The whole nine I walked around cutting cutting like little three inch rounds down so that I could continue building up the shelter. And the whole time that I was doing this was just my footsteps and another set of footsteps, and I started to wonder if I was having another experience. So I'm sitting in I'm sitting inside the shelter. The way that I had the shelter built was like an a frame shelter that had a tarp over the back of it. I had a clear plastic like painters cloth down on the front so that when the fire was going at night, it would radiate heat through it but not perreate back out, so it would hold heat inside the shelter. After that, there was walls that I built up with with dead standing and like little two inch rounds that I'd cut down that went around the shelter.

49:58 And then there was a like a firewall that I'd put up with with branches and stuff. I had lined it with a like a space blanket to reflect heedback towards the shelter, and the fire pit was in front of it. So I have this probably ten foot twelve foot round circle of wood that I've built into this little camp. I'm sitting inside the shelter. I've got the cloth up over the top of it because it's still daylight out, and I'm just sitting in there. I'm having lunch. I'm sitting sitting there, eating and I start to hear the footsteps walking around me. But they're probably like seventy five yards out. I could just barely hear them. But it was heavy footfall, like a person, but heavier, and I could hear it walking and walking and walking. And then I would think to myself, what is that walking out there? I'd ever said it out loud, but I would think it, like, what the heck is out there walking?

51:05 And every time I would think that, it would stop, and then I would go back to eating my lunch and it would start walking again. And it walked in circles all the way around my camp for about an hour while I sat there, eating and just relaxing. That night, I'm sitting there with the fire going, and you know, I had hiked out there with a harmonica, so I'm sitting there playing the harmonica, you know, relaxing by the fire, probably about to call it and call it quits for the night and get some get some rest. And it's just after sundown, probably eight o'clock in the evening, nine o'clock in the evening, somewhere in there, and I can start hearing that footing, them footsteps again, and I remember thinking to myself, I don't know what you are, but I hear you. And it stopped, and then I heard the footsteps come from fifty seventy five yards out to about fifteen feet from the back of my shelter. And I couldn't see anything back there because it was all wooden tarp back there. It was all closed off to keep any any critters out, but it's it was probably fifteen feet from the back of my shelter, and it stood there and I could hear it breathing, and it sounded like, I don't even know how to explain it.

52:37 It sounded like like an ex like an exhaust almost like it sounded like turbulent air, and it was loud. And then I remember saying, who's out there? And then it turned around and walked back off. And I never like, I couldn't stand up. There was no part of me that was like, let me look and see what this is. Every part of me was like just sit there and be quiet. Later that night and throughout the next few nights, I would still hear it walking around in the perimeter around my camp. It would throughout the night it would come closer to the camp, and then it would walk back away, and then it would come closer again, and they would walk back away and on like the I think it was probably the third night. Third It was in the afternoon, so it was probably day three, and I'm sitting in the camp and I'm carving spoons and it had been silent for like an hour. It was just the birds chirping and the squirrels jumping through the trees, and I'm sitting there carbon spoons. And the next thing I know, I noticed that all the sounds had stopped, and it got eerily quiet. And then, slowly but surely,

54:08 through the distance, I heard those footsteps again, and they were coming from off to the right, towards the back of my shelter, but coming straight towards me. And this was the moment that I realized that in my belief that the Cherokee people were right, because I thought to myself, didn't say it out loud, This was just a thought in my head and I said, I can hear you, and it stopped. And then I thought to myself, if you want me to leave, just say so. And then I heard I heard its voice for the first time, and I I'll explain to you how the voice goes. But there's a there's an actual there's actually a YouTube channel that I found about two years after this experience that verified everything for me. And I had never I had never heard anything like it before, but I said, I thought to myself, like, if you want me to leave, just tell me, and it went no, and then it went deadly silent, and I said, okay, and I went

55:39 back to carbon my wooden spoons, and it turned around and it walked back out a little bit and then started doing circles around the camp again. After that, it was just circling me for a couple hours. And then I started to notice, like as the evening came on, that there was more than one set of steps, and I would hear it in front of my camp, I would hear it behind my camp. Then I would hear it to the right of my camp, and then I would hear it to the left of my camp. But it was always too close for it to be one, so there would be you know, thirty seconds between here and footsteps out to my right and out to my left, so there was at least two at all times. And I started to talk out loud to them, saying things like, you know, I'm I'm just here, just here to visit.

56:39 I'm not trying to encroach on your land. I don't want no problems. I'm just here to hang out. And at some point they started to, I think, get comfortable because I would hear communication between the two of them, and they were everything from whistles to whoops. Sometimes they would just whistle at each other. Sometimes they would whoop at each other, and sometimes they would it was almost like chatter, like gibberish. It wasn't anything that I could make out, but it was like this deep gutt roll.

57:31 The only the only way that I've ever been able to imitate it, it was by by doing like throat based because I used to beat bops. But they would you would hear it in the distance. They just sounds, is what I thought it was. But it was so loud and so like deep and gutturaled it it would it was It was not something that a human could produce and I would hear it on my right, I would hear it on my left, and I would hear it out in front of me. Then I would hear back behind me. And it was always like different sounds, like they were speaking to each other in a different language.

58:13 And they went like that through the entire day of day four. Whoops, hollers, the you know, the chatter, the different vocalizations all through day four. And then on the morning of day five, when I was getting up to leave, I was packing all my things into my backpack, and I I could hear them back behind my salitaria. There was a couple of them, and it sounded like they were kind of grouped up a little bit watching me. And I was pulling my tarp down and like you know, rolling my tarf up and folding it up and packing it away and grabbing like my kit and everything, packing everything away, and I started getting these little pebbles, like an inch in diameter, little smooth stone pebbles would get tossed over the top of my shelter and they would land on the other side of my shelter, like near the fire pit. It happened like ten or fifteen times, and eventually I was like, I'll come back someday, guys, I'm just leave. I gotta go back, I gotta go home.

59:35 And it stopped. And then I heard a couple sets of footsteps walk away from the shelter and disappear into the distance. And I didn't hear anything else until I left and I hiked back out, got my truck, and I went home. But it was five days of like constant It was almost like an habitual situation. They were there the entire time. They were always watching me. It was almost as if there was a family and they had like like shift work watching what I was doing. Because there was always at least one around. I never saw them, never even got a glimpse, never even thought that I saw them. But I do know that every time that I had a thought trying to like say something, they would respond in some way.

1:00:40 I don't I don't know how you got how you got through that, to be honest. Well that's so that's the thing, Like, regardless of all this stuff happening, never once was I afraid. There was never like an ounce of fear put onto me. And I've been in the woods with everything pretty much every animal in the continental US. You know what I mean, Like I've been charged by brown bear or by black bearris I've been charged by hog. Like I've been in some scary situations and even in my experience, when there's a bear within a hundred yards, I'm like, I don't want to be here. That bear is going to try to eat me and I'm gonna have to shoot it.

1:01:26 But never once, and I had a gun on me the entire time, like I don't go into the woods without a gun on me. But that whole time, I never felt anything but just curiosity. There was never an ounce of fear. It didn't feel like they were hunting me. I didn't feel threatened. They were just trying to figure out what I was doing, is what it felt like. It was just curiosity. Wow, Jackson, All this has given me a lot to think about for sure. Yeah, I'm gonna look try to find that, uh that article that you had found. I'm honestly gonna.

1:02:18 Once. I don't know if you've seen have you ever have you ever visited the channel Sasquatch Ontario. I've heard of it. Okay, So Sasquatch Ontario. I discovered his channel to like a year and a half two years after that, this incident happened in Arkansas, and the vocal the vocalizations that he's recorded is exactly what I was hearing. And he's like, he's got hours of recording of recordings of not only Sasquatch vocalizing around him, but communicating with him vocally. They've learned his name, They've had words to him, and it was like the way that that that those vocals sound like that guttural, deep, like vibrato that just doesn't come out of a person, is what I was hearing.

1:03:12 Have you ever tried reaching out to him? I have not. I have not. I honestly like this, the story about the story that I just told you what happened in Arkansas, I've only told two people. Wow, yeah, absolutely yeah, And thank you for sharing this all today. I know this is a it's it's probably hard to get back into that that mindset. I would imagine as well. I wouldn't necessarily say it's hard. It's more like I can feel the shapes, you know what I mean. It's one of these situations where you're like you, when I talk about it, I relive it. I can I can hear it all happening again I can. I can smell this mells, I can hear the sounds, I can feel the chills, you know what I mean. It's it's one of those kind of things.

1:04:10 Do you still go out after this happened? It's whenever I get the chance. Yeah, I mean I've I've never shot away from from the woods, and I still went back out to that same shelter probably six seven, eight more times. I've spent quite quite a few, quite a few weekends out there at that at that shelter, and it never it never really happened again like that. I mean I would I would hear, you know, footfall every once in a while, or I would hear twigs break every once in a while. But it was nothing that I couldn't I couldn't attribute to a passing gear or a skunk or anything else that the woods has to offer just passing through the area. But that that weekend, or that that five days povity span was undeniably something I could not explain, you know.

1:05:09 Wow, oh Man Jackson, thank you, thank you for sharing all this. If listeners were listening carefully, there's a lot you can take away from this, and it'll be interesting to see how this affects people after they hear it, and I think some people might be reaching out as well after this, regarding certain things you were talking about, like to do with intent and thoughts and things like that. So yeah, yeah, it's such an interesting like thought thought process to go through. But the more that I thought about it over the years, the more it made sense, because you know, there's there's been hundreds of stories of like search He's going out and looking for you, looking for sasquatch or you know, looking for the creature in the night or whatever the case, and they don't ever come back with anything. They come back empty handed every single time. And if you know, if something that big and that's smart and that stealthy knows what you want, it ain't going near you, that's for sure. Yeah.

1:06:29 If you're just out to make a documentary or you're out there to become rich and famous or to try to be the first one that bags one, you're probably not going to have much happen, I would guess. Yeah, uh yeah, it's it's a lot to think about. And uh Jackson, I would get it sounds like is that the the most recent thing that has happened then. Yeah, Yeah, So that was That was the most recent like vivid interaction that I had was in Arkansas. If someone's to ask you, you know, what do you think bigfoot or sasquatches? What is your answer? Recurring that?

1:07:12 So I've had this discussion with a few with a few people before, and a lot of times people like walk away from the discussion with a different view on things. But I have done a lot of research on Sasquatch, and I have I've spent a lot of time in the woods, and I like as as you know now like I've I've experienced some very interesting things. And from all of the research that I've done and all the experiences that I've had, my my best answer is that they are just another people with a lot higher ability than others. You know, like we're talking about a bipedal hominid that walks like us, acts like us, talks, can talk like us, uses language, uses tools, build structure. Probably berries, it's dead because we're not out here. Found in sasquatch bones, you know, eats eats a balanced diet. Like There's been story there's been stories of of people watching them pick berries.

1:08:34 There's you know, people have seen them hunting bison, people have seen them hunting deer. They have you know, I I gave I gave them, I gave them fish. You know, like we're talking about something that is far more intelligent than anything else that we believe that we have in the woods and through all those things. That's the way that I look at it. It's it's it's a it's a much more advanced person. Extremely interesting. Would if you had the chance to see one again, would you be okay with that? Yeah, like I said, man, like I've I never once had a shred of fear, like I never I never felt afraid. I was perfectly fine. I never was was worried.

1:09:34 I never, you know, like I said, I other than you know, when I was young, like after being an adult going into the woods, I've never gone into the woods after the age of eighteen without a pistol or a raffle, And even with that knowledge in my head, never reached for my gun. There was no need because I didn't think the they were going to hurt me. So, you know, if if the chance ever does come up, then yeah, more than more than happy to to interact with them again, more than happy to, especially after like all the years of going through those, you know, those interactions, and and doing all the research that I have and learning all the things that I have, because I feel like every experience that I would have in the future, each experience would just get more and more in depth.

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1:12:46 Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's up there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need you tell, because if you don't, then shame on you. You have. Shame on you.