It Made a Bee-Line Towards Me! | Michigan

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have BIGFOD activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to Patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfod Society, But the privilege of talking to Giles tonight. Giles is a watcher over on the YouTube side and reached out about some interesting things he's experienced over on the Lower Michigan Peninsula on the east side of this state. Well, I believe it's the eastside. I guess we'll find out in a few minutes.

0:59 But but Giles, welcome to the show. How's it going, man. It's going great. Thank you very much for having me. Absolutely kind of interesting, a little synchronicity. I was just talking to another gentleman on the show last night over in the Lake Huron area port here on State Game area, So you know, sometimes the show works kind of interestingly like that. But you know, Giles, I want to make sure you have all the time that you need to share what you've experienced. So I'm going to go ahead and feel free to take us back to when this started happening for you in any background that you'd like to share as well.

1:42 All right, thanks, I'm just going to kick it off by apologizing in advance to any listeners that are angry about me stumbling overward and spent a long day for me. But my name is Giles. I'm a thirty eight year old man. I grew up in Michigan. My whole life, I've lived around the side west side of the state, and through my work, I've I've visited all over the state. Luckily enough, I got to I get to travel and see a lot of the state, and I've I spent a lot of my youth haunting, fishing, a lot of small game president hunting and things like that. So I'm pretty well versed and most everything outdoor sounds sites, you know, wildlife.

2:24 No expert by any means, but I have a pretty firm understanding of what I'm hearing in the dark or what I'm seeing. You know, nothing really takes me by surprise very often, So I just want everyone to keep that in mind. I'm not a person that goes out looking for this stuff. I have a couple of times just with you know, through my interest meeting different people, but it's not something that I was ever looking for when I had these experiences. So I've had a lot of things that I can attribute to like that we're definitely not in and I can get into that later, but I'll start off, I guess with my first introduction to big Foot was I think I was in the fifth grade and I picked up a book in the library.

3:10 I had, the famous Patterson Gimlin Patty Footed was still on the cover. I can't remember what it was called, but I remember being really fascinated, not so much with just the creature itself, but I guess like the mystery of what could be out there, you know that's not in mainstream knowledge. And I so soon after that, you know, probably it was thirteen, fourteen years old, I started getting more interested in girls and tend to lost interest in all that and completely forgot about it. So fast forward to I think it was two thousand and nine. A couple friends of mine, a married couple, they just got married. They wanted to go on a camping trip and I believe it was like a Wednesday because we were unemployed at the time, and we headed up to It's kind of our secret spot that our families have been going to for years and years, and I guess I'll try to get some background on that area. It's in between a mile and a town called Commons. They're Commons, I guess.

4:17 I don't know how you pronounce it exactly, but it's in between those two towns, and it's in the here on national forests, and it's on like a little lake that's probably I guess. It takes probably twenty five minutes from the main road to drive on these two tracks and logging trails to get back there, and it's kind of tucked away, like snaked off on a trail that you can't really even tell it's there, so not many people know it's there. And I think there may be a cabin or two with, you know, maybe a half mile or a mile away through the woods, but you can't you certainly can't see them from the camping site. So we're camping back there. And this was in probably the first weekend of August of two thousand and nine, and I remember it being just like a normal camping trip, this hot August summer camping. And I believe it was the second night we were there, it was probably eleven or twelve. When we went to bed, we maybe had a couple of beers, you know, and like we weren't getting crazy. I mean, it's just three people out in the woods, you know, camping, and the fire died down whenever we go to bed, and it was, oh, I'll never forget it. I had an old Nokia brick phone, and as soon as I started getting this noise, it was just this pounding sound, and I woke up just I felt furious that we come up in the middle of the week to this kind of secret remote camping

5:48 spot and you know, not a campground, and somebody has to come and set up a tent, because I thought it was somebody pounding in tent spikes or something like going wild. And I just turned over and looked at my It was three forty in the morning, and I was I went from being mad to being kind of confused because I wasn't understanding, like this didn't sound like a tense spike, you know. Once I kind of came to after a couple seconds and I just kind of sat up and was listening and got more curious. And as soon as I figured out what the sound was, I just got like almost petrified, like scared, just scared stiff.

6:30 It was the sound of two What I would say is if you held both your fists together, if you had a pretty decent fist, like decent size, if you held both of them together that size rock, if you held one of each of those size rocks in each hand and just slammed them together, it was just rocks getting clacked together. And the only reason why I know, like I'm ninety nine percent sure that's what it was, is because I do construction, and when you're loading stuff into truck like that happens quite a bit because there's rock and rubble and whatever and what we're excavating, and it's a pretty distinct sound when it makes a quack sound, And that's exactly what I was hearing. And it just it was repetitive. I kept going and going for minutes.

7:18 I mean I sat up just stiff of the board, and it never stopped until I I don't know if I passed out or what, but I just remember telling myself, like, you have to like just be quiet. I was trying not to make any noise at all. I could just hear my heart beating in my ears, and I was just confused and scared, and I just tried to lay down as quietly and slowly as I possibly could because the sound was only I would guess fifteen yards away, twenty yards maybe max. And it was kind of it was rhythmic, but it would it had ebbs and flows where it would it would slow down and get a little bit quieter, and the tempo would slow down and then it would just start right back up again. And like it was like like somebody was pounding them together and they were getting angry because they weren't getting a response or I don't know. It didn't make any sense and it still really doesn't to me. And uh, yeah, the next the next morning, I woke up and I, uh, I don't know if it was the next morning or before we left but I ended up going over to that area where I thought it was coming from, and there ended up being a sizeable rock. I would say, I don't know the size of a car hood. It was buried in the in the ground, but there's probably a foot of it protruding up and out of the

8:49 ground from where it was unearthed. And uh. And I don't know if something was smashing a rock on that or what. I but there was probably a For the next month, I was asking anyone that I could ask, like, what could make that sound, you know? And the the closest thing I got was a few friends instead, maybe a bear when they get aggressive, I think they they will chop their their jaws together. And uh. So I looked up videos of that and it and audio of that, and it wasn't even close. It was well, it wasn't repetitive, you know, rhythmic, and it just was not loud enough in that same type of sound, and uh and then it was you know, it's probably a beaver and it you know, beaver don't smack their tails on the water repetitively like that for a minutes on end. So I never really understood what it was, and I just kind of filed it away as hey, I guess that was something weird that happened, you know, like, oh, well, nothing happened.

9:45 So I got scared for enough and kind of felt like a like a wolf, so I just forgot about it. And then there were a few other add instances here and there of you know, just strange things that would happen to to me or me and my friends when we were in the woods. And then the next definitively strange, really strange thing happened on the lake shore of Lake here On actually technically the Saginaw Bay. It was a place they called Hidden Harbor. It's not called hidden Harbor on a map. It's just what local people call it.

10:26 It's kind of by a whizner. Well, anyway, I went out there and it was I don't know, it must have been late October. I remember I went out because I was unemployed for the winter new excusional work, and I liked ice fish at the time, so I wanted to go out and see if there was any early ice forming because it was a early winter, and I wish I could tell you what year this was, if I had to guess, like maybe twenty fourteen to sixteen maybe. Anyway, I go out there and it's maybe eleven o'clock in the morning. I parked my vehicle and there's a dirt road that leads maybe a mile back, and then you hang a left along the bay shore and it goes I don't know, probably know. There's three quarters of a mile to this turnaround, and there's no houses around. There's maybe one cottage, like a couple miles down the shore, excuse me. And it was the one thing I remember is this area of Michigan is really really windy, like almost all the time, so it's pretty odd when it's really calm, and this day was extremely calm. The fragmites, the tops of the fragmites weren't even moving. And I guess for anyone that doesn't know a fragment, I believe that's how you pronounce it. It's like an overgrown cattail.

11:49 I think they're avasive species from Africa or something. Well, they grow like fourteen feet tall if you know, it's given the right conditions, and they're just I mean thick. Is he on a dog? Well, they weren't even blowing. It was super calm. Walking out, I'm smoking a cigarette and I get walking down this trail and to the left of me is just a wall of fragmites. They were probably twelve feet tall, tends of twelve feet tall, and probably fifty sixty yards back. That's all it was was fragmites until there was a woodline. Then on the right was just scrub brush and little reed grass, and you know, nothing until you get to the water, you know, a few hundred yards away. So I'm walking along this trail and I get I don't know, maybe one hundred one hundred yards away from my vehicle, maybe less. It's been a while, so very with me. I might not be accurate with this. I was just walking and all of a sudden I heard something what I thought was a deer like stand up and kind of spin as if it was bedded down, and that that tell fragmite.

13:02 And I just thought, oh, I just you know, spook the deer or whatever. No big deal. Keep walking. And I noticed the deer, you know, was kind of walking along with me, or what I thought was the deer was walking along with me, And you know, I just started thinking, oh, that's kind of cool. Maybe I'll I'll see a big buck or something. You know it'll pop out in front of me, and that's not what happened at all. I just kept walking and this thing, whatever, it was just almost like I made a beadline right towards me. It started, maybe I don't know, thirty to forty five yards away from me. When I heard initially heard this sound because that it makes clail a ruckus when you move around in that in that frag might it's just like a real, like swishy kind of sound.

13:54 Well anyway, I could just hear it making a bee line like kind of towards me. I thought, man, that's kind of that's not normal deer behavior, you know, because that's really the only big animals we have around here. There's no real bear. There's mountain lion, but they don't really say that there is. They won't admit it, and that there's not really that many. So this is what I'm thinking, is deer making a beer d line right towards me. And it started. The closer it got, it started sounding different, like it wasn't like a deer. It sounded like something on two legs. And then before I know it, the thing's like on top of me. It's big.

14:38 For society will be right back after these messages. It's exactly parallel to my left right clock position, and it's it sounds like it's maybe ten yards away at this point, like and I probably have five yards in between me and those frag mights, so it's only five yards into the frag might and it's just walking along with me. And then it started mimicking my footsteps, and like when I say mimicking, I don't, I don't mean like it was trying to sound bipel like it was.

15:22 It was stepping exactly when I was stepping, I mean exactly. And I don't know why I didn't. I didn't think that was, hey, this is something's wrong. I just thought like, oh that's cool, and I'd stop and it would stop exactly like. There was no extra noise from it moving when I wasn't moving. It was only when I would make any noise or move, it would move. And I stopped probably six seven times. I just I would go and i'd stop, and i'd go and I'd stop, and I should have turned around and knew something was wrong, but I just kept going. And the longer I went, the all of a sudden like the fear like something is wrong, here started kicking in, so I backed away and I started shouting at whatever I thought this was a person. And I'm shouting all kinds of expletives and I'm threatening this person. I'm telling them I have a gun and I'm gonna you know what, And and I was I was just screaming. I was both angry and just scared, like really like primal fear like I had.

16:37 I don't know how to explain it. It just I don't know. It felt like I was being toyed with, like it was very intrusive, like it was I don't know, like something was calling under my skin like this. I don't know how to explain it. It just it felt wrong. And anyway, this thing wasn't making any noise. It was just standing there. As I'm standing there trying to spot any kind of movement over top of the frag mighte or like hear anything. I couldn't see anything, I couldn't hear anything. So there was a pile of rocks just within reach, almost from where I stopped, and I grabbed a handful of rocks and I just started throwing these rocks all over where that thing was like just peppering that area. I must have thrown at least a dozen, probably softball to baseball size, and it never once made a noise. All I heard was just the rocks sutting into the thick muck that's the ground under those fragmites.

17:41 And after I did that, I was I went from like scared to like just I don't know, the most frightened I've ever been in my life. Like I I was just waiting for something to come out of those frag mightes and just get me, because I I don't know when when things like that happen. I don't know how it works for everybody, but for me, it's almost like my brain knew that, like this is wrong. There's something wrong, and we need to get out of here, or we need to figure something out, like do something about this, But my brain was trying to rationalize it, like I was trying to be logical about something that I had no idea what it was, you know, like there was no logical explanation for anything. But I was still trying to sort that out, Like I was going back and forth. I remember like thinking like, oh, this it's just a deer. It's just a deer, Like stop freaking out. It's just a deer. And then the next second, I'm thinking, but it was mimicking my footsteps. It was like it had to be two legged. How do it make that exact footstep like me? And it was just a complete back and forth of my logical brain versus what I'm actually experiencing, if that makes any sense. So I'm struggling with this, trying to figure out what it is what I'm experiencing, and it hasn't. These rocks I'm

19:13 throwing at it has no effect. So I get the like this peak scared, and I start walking back backwards just you know, my head was on a swivel, just looking left and right into those draglites, and this thing went from you know, it seems like it was kind of toying with me or you know, curious too. I don't know if I angered this thing or what happened, but it didn't seem like I cared about but what kind of noise it made or how loud it was being. I wasn't trying to be sneaky or playful or whatever it was being. It was told demeanor changed in the way that it was making noise through this foliage, and something else I should have a big detail I guess I missed was when this thing was walking. I can't stress you enough how almost impossible it is to walk through that stuff without making noise in the foliage, like without that sound that you're basically swimming through it. And this thing all I could hear is the footsteps. I could not hear any of that fragment scraping on it or rubbing on it. The other fragment. I couldn't hear any of that. It's and I still I still struggle with that. That doesn't make any sense. Like it was almost like that might sound crazy, but this thing was like its body was passing through the vegetation, but I could hear it like its feet where That's all I

20:45 could hear was its feet. I don't know I sound. I know I sound kind of out there, but that that's the only way I can explain it. Well. Anyway, as I'm walking back through or back away, it's just progressively getting kind of louder with its footsteps, and it's going through the foliage, and I can actually hear the fragmike kind of moving around, but I could not see anything. There was no movement, no nothing, and I still had a couple of rocks in my hand, and I turned my body and I'm starting to kind of jog with my head on a swivel, like looking behind me, and I must have been maybe ten yards from my vehicle, and I just dropped those rocks and I literally was running for my life. I was just running as fast as I could. I ran right into the side of my vehicle, opened up my car door, got in it, and I never looked left. I just started my vehicle and just took off. And I don't think I told anyone about that for at least a couple of years.

21:53 It's almost like I just come like it was too much for my brain to handle, and it was just like, forget about it. That's what I did, Like it never even happened until one day, probably a couple of years later, a friend of mine had asked, Hey, should we go ice fish out of Hidden Harbor? And it was like as soon as he said the hidden harbor where this happened, it was like a light switch and I just was like, Oh, my gosh, did I ever tell you about what happened to me out there? And he's like kind of laughing. He goes, no, got what happened, you know, and I explained to him. And I've never told anyone that, like the first experience or my second, this encounter at Hidden Harbor, was ever a bigfoot or any anything. But I don't know what else it could be. You know, if anyone has a better idea, you can tell me what it is in the comments that I might have experienced, because I'd love for it to be something explainable. It's it's much better to to think it's something and that's normal on to always wonder what was that, and just to kind of have that unknown fear in the back of your mind every time you go into the world. But anyway, sorry I'm rambling. So my third experience was it would have been not this past October, but the one before.

23:18 I was traveling to work, and again it was, yeah, October. I don't know, colleague, mid October because there was still corns double in the field like it had just been harvested, So it had to been mid to late October, and I'm traveling to work. It's a very very light fog day. The visibility wasn't really effective, but there was a light fog. It's about eight o'clock in the morning at fifteen and I was traveling down Argyle Road, which is in the thumb of Michigan. Right, it would be south east of Cassidy, Michigan. Again Argyle Road, and I was traveling down and just before the intersection of Kinnebog Road, there's a I crested over a little hill and I went down into a valley and there was another hill I was coming up. Well.

24:13 As I get down to the bottom of that valley, I would just happen to glance to my left and I noticed this huge figure and I did one of those like where you go to you only meant to look left for a second and put your eyes back on the road. And I looked left, and my head went back towards the road, but my eyes never left this thing. I was just like in amazement, like this guy is huge. There's a huge person, like the biggest person I've ever seen. So my eyes never left it, and my head goes back and there was just this hulking figure, probably fifty yards off the road. It may have been a little bit farther because I only got three to four good seconds of actual visual of this, and it was I would have to. At first, I thought it was maybe seven and a half, maybe to eight and a half feet tall, But I think it may have been a little further off the road than what I initially thought, so it could have been I mean, eight and a half maybe nine feet tall, I'm not sure, but it was a huge what I thought was a man, and my initial impression of it was I thought it was.

25:28 A a farm hand or a farm worker, just a huge corn fred country boy walking back to the tractor. Or something to the field, because it was it was almost like they had their hood up and they were head was kind of like towards the ground, as if you know, the thought of like, oh, man, I guess I gotta go get this tractor. You know, it's son of a gun kind of kind of thought, as they're just head down walking towards the end of the field. Well, the more I looked at this, the more it just didn't make sense. It was too big. It was all one color. And when I say one color, like, do you know the like those like the blackest black paint that the like theyll paint cars and stuff. Do you know what I mean? That color?

26:15 Yeaste? Yes? Like how it doesn't have any kind of reflection, Like you can point a flashlight at it basically, and like it doesn't reflect any light back. It was it was like this thing was just a silhouette of this brown red color, like if it was kind of the color of a of a car heart jacket, but not car heart brand, like the like a kind of an off brand that's a little more like a red color. That's a that's the color. It was like a like a Calico cats, like the rust color of the calico. And just the more I looked at the more it didn't make sense. I looked at it right from toe to head, and I was looking for, you know, if I was wearing gloves or a hat or something. It was all just one solid color the whole way up and it was I know it was moving. I know I saw it moving, But all I can remember in my head is just a still shot of one of its arms almost parallel next to its body and the other one just starting to come up, and like it was just like a freeze frame, if you will. But I know I saw it moving, I know I did, but I just I can't. I don't know. I don't remember that part. But I can visually remember the exact silhouette of it, just the profile, the side profile. And

27:48 I moved my head back towards the rogue cause I was going up the hill. I didn't want to get in an accident. And as fast as I could, I moved my head back and the thing was gone. I don't know where it could have went. It was fifty yards from the ditch that was right next to me up on the road, and it was probably one hundred and fifty yards from the ditch that it was going towards. And the corn stubble was only six inches high. And this thing's here's another detail I forgot. This thing's chest was wider than what my shoulders are wide. It was its chest had to be at least two and a half feet deep. It was that was the thing that really stood out to me was it was just a barrel chested figure. And it wasn't like a ripped physique like like a bodybuilder. It was like more like a like a World's Strongest Man type of build where it didn't have a beer belly, but it was it didn't look like it was, you know, like it had washboard ads.

28:56 It's that I don't know. It's hard to tell, I guess because it was all just one color, and that's the one thing that stood out, was just its chest and the fact that it looked like it was wearing a hood, like it had no neck. Well anyway, I uh, I just kept trucking down the road, and I wish I would have turned around. Whish I would have went back into that farmer's field and looked at their tracks, like, uh, just a lot of would have should you would should have could as and oh in my first encounter. The one really weird thing. That that bothered me as well with the rock clacking was that whole time when I was sitting up listening to this rock clacking, the couple was sleeping in.

29:44 An air mattress right next to me, on a separate air mattress, of course, but they never woke up. They didn't know what I was talking about. When I brought it up later when they were leaving, I said, hey, do you guys, did you guys hear that on you know, Thursday night or whatever night it was, And they had no idea. They didn't wake up because I almost thought that they had to be awake too, and they were in the same position of just like petrified, like they just couldn't speak or move, you know, they were just kind of freaked out. But that wasn't the case, like they had no idea what I was talking about. And I don't know how you sleep through something like that. I mean it was loud, but yeah, I'm sorry if I'm rushing through things. I'm just that I've just been a long day, big for a society.

30:30 Who will be right back after these messages? You are, You are doing absolutely great. It's some extremely interesting things that have come up so far. Have you heard of any other things happening in that here on National Forest area? Firsthand knowledge, I I can't speak on I don't know anybody's stories that I personally know that they've told me, but I know throughout just probably the last eight years of me just diving into like trying to listen to every story, every encounter, like keeping up with certain you know, Facebook groups. There's a lot of encounters. And it seems like the west side of the state because the Huron Manistee National Forest spans from one side of the state to the other in the lower Peninsula, it's kind of like a rainbow arc across the whole state, and most people refer to the right, they're the east side towards the Huron Lake Hereon as the Heuron National Forest, and then they'll described the west side of Lake Michigan as the Manistee National Forests. But I believe it's all technically

32:02 the here On National or here On Manistee National Forests. But it seems like on the west side there's actually quite a few reports of like dog men activity and things like that. But it seems like specifically like Ascota County around Mayo, Michigan, there seems to be a lot of encounters, like way way more than what I would think, because when I think of Michigan, it's it's the peninsula, and you would just think, you know, it would have to be hard for animals to travel around, you know, like with a limited border, you know. But it's there seems to be a ton of sightings now, Like locally around where I live. I know personally three people that have had either sightings or really bizarre encounter and experiences that don't really add up to much other than it.

33:05 It sounds like it's a bigfoot way more than what I would have would have ever thought, you know, I kind of thought that was like the one unlucky out of a million people that like, you know, something really odd happened, you know, and I just couldn't explain it. But it seems like, genuinely there is way more sightings and experiences than what a person would think, especially for being in a peninsula of a state. So uh, but but yeah, I can explain a couple of a couple of people that I know personally. I can give you a second hand account of what they experienced if you'd. Like, yeah, just real quick before you do that. I did want to say that area that you were talking about in here on National Forest it's I looked it up.

33:55 It's like half an hour away from a town called Glenny, which had an episode on the show. Well it's probably about year a year and a half ago about a police officer on vacation that was had a standoff with a big foot at a family cabin. So I mean, yeah, there's there's things that are happening in this area. And you're also right that the Manistee National Forest House usually referred to on the west side, there's a lot of dog man stuff over there. There is some bigfoot stuff too. There's some there's some interesting things you can you can dig up over there. But yeah, if you would like to to share that some other things you're you're more than welcome to do.

34:40 So okay, okay, yeah, I didn't know if I'm rambling. Oh you're great. Yeah. So there's I won't name any names obviously, because you know, just their sake, but there's a young lady that I've been friends with on and off since Stunt High School, and her and her boyfriend at the time, they were camping up along I want to say it was along the Rifle River up and oh no, I'm sorry. It was the Ostable River and that's along the east side of the state. And they're at this privative campsite.

35:23 I believe you had the canoe or kayak or paddle to get into. It was only water access, so it's kind of remote, and all these campsites are spaced out well, I guess there was nobody else really camping around them. They kind of had the place for themselves, and they, from what she told me, their tent was set up just about ten feet away from this mound or this hill, and then it kind of dropped off into the woods back behind this hill, and she said they were up one night. It sound like it was. It was dark in the summer, so I'm assuming it was, you know, after kind o'clock at night, probably before midnight. She said they started smelling something. And I can't remember what she described the smell, as I know it was really bad.

36:18 She used the word futred to describe it, I believe. But they started smelling something and then they started smiling a little stronger, and then about fifteen minutes later, they started hearing what she described as just grunting like and like like snorting, like something was sniff in the air, like, but it's sinuses weren't clear like it was. And I'm sorry making an idiot out of myself, but that's that's the basic device, is what she was explaining. And I guess from what I'm remembering, her boyfriend was really into finding Bigfoot because that was on at the time, and he was like, well, if we have guests, you know, we should how would you treat a guest you should?

37:07 You know, off from something. So I guess he was taking pieces of I believe, beef jerky and he was throwing him on the other side of the hill. And from what I remember, right, he had told me this probably five years ago, so a few details might be a little off, but from what I'm remembering is the grunting and the smells and everything started like ramping up to a point where she wasn't comfortable, and they ended up just hunkering down in their tent and just riding it out through the night. And she said the grunting and the snorting kind of just kept up until they went to sleep, and they woke up the next day. Nothing else happened. There was another gentleman. I don't know what year this happened. It was just a friend of mine and his dad and one of his dad's friends sitting here and we were just casually drinking a couple of beers, just you know, just shooting the craft, and for whatever reason, my buddy's dad just kind of starts getting in. Something got brought up about Bigfoot or sasquatch.

38:19 For whatever reason. I wasn't into the topic or anything at this point in time, so I had no dog in the fight. And he said something about, oh tell him your story. Go ahead and tell him, and you could tell this guy did not want to tell his story. He's like, oh, no, no, whatever, whatever, you know, just kind of laughing off, trying to do anything to just not talk about it. And he just kept harping on the guy. And finally I looked at him, like, hey man, you can tell me whatever. I you know, weird stuff happens, you know, if you saw something, you know, just I'm not going to judge you. So this older gentleman starts telling me the story. He says, all right, I'll tell you.

39:04 He said he opened up his door to go out of his house the one day, and around his whole house was cornfield, and he had a bargain standing maybe twenty yards away off the road, and on the other side of the road wasn't more corn and it was probably six feet tall seven feet tall, So I'm assuming this was August, maybe September when this occurred. He said. He looked, he opened his door and on the top of the cornfield, like coming out from behind his barn on the side of his yard, he saw the shoulders and the head of this black what he said was a big flip. He said he watched it walk slow down, go down through the ditch and just slowly like it owned the place, walk right across the road, go down the ditch, walk back up the other embankment, and just continue walking through that cornfield until he couldn't see it anymore.

40:06 And the thing was apparently heading towards the north. And this happened in a town called by a town called Sebling, And where this thing was heading would have been heading like almost straight towards town. It was only literally a mile and a half of the crow flies from a town, which I don't know if that makes any sense, because the way, especially in the Thumb area of Michigan is where I'm from, there's towns probably every ten to fifteen miles apart, maybe five if they're kind of closed, and they're all just little, tiny towns. So I like, I don't know why something would be almost on purposely going towards the town when almost any other direction is solitude.

40:55 There's just houses scattered here and there, and you know, just do country roads. So I always thought that, like that was really weird. But I have no reason to not believe the guy. I mean, he honestly didn't even really want to tell a story, so it kind of makes me feel like he's probably credible. But that was the first person that I ever met that I actually like, was serious about him. Was like, yeah, that's what I saw. You know, what what can you do about it? And there was there was one other, a couple older gentlemen. When I was I must have been seventeen. I was at a high school graduation party, probably having a few beers, and these two older gentlemen were something. Somebody was talking about bigfooters, talking about something, and they said something about bayfoot, and I just remember think I looked at him and I said, what do you say. He said, yeah, that that bayfoot things out there. You guys ought to be careful at bayfoot. And I'm like, are you talking about like bigfoot? And he's like, yeah, but here, like on the Saginaw Bay. And I just thought the guy was crazy.

42:00 I was like, you gotta be kidding me. And well, years later now I don't think he's so crazy. You know, I've had my own things happen that I can't explain, whether it was bigfoot or bayfoot, whatever you want to call it, or or I don't know what it was, but it doesn't make any sense, you know. But I for years after that, I just you know, I don't think people realize, you know, people that want to see or experience something. I don't think people realize truly what kind of shock to your system and reality it is. It is incredibly jarring. I it was. It's it's almost like, how do you believe anything when when I myself have been like making fun over like not believing, thinking these people are on something or full of it telling me these encounters, and then I have almost the exact same type of things happen, and I'm wrestling with it, you know, And then I was making fun of that guy. I don't know. It just didn't sit well with me. And I really had to wrestle with that for a long time.

43:09 And and finding people that you you can actually talk to or that won't laugh at you about it, and they'll just, you know, listen, and that's all, you know, not not judge. That means the world to people, at least the people I know that have had experiences, because it's so easy to laugh it off and say, oh, you must have been on something or you know this or that or the other thing. But there's been a there's been a few other odd things that have happened to me. Personally, I can. I can kind of quick go through if you want, or it's not really uh Bigfoot related, but it's definitely paranormal and just kind of just really odd.

43:53 Yeah, go right ahead. Okay. So, one really really weird thing that had happened was I was living with my parents at the time, and I don't know what year this was. I want to say I was probably mid twenties, maybe young twenties. Well, anyway, one night, it must have been eleven o'clock in the summer. So I was at our sink and there's a window that overlooks towards the south over a backyard or my parents' backyard, right over the sink, and I happened to notice something out of the left hand side of the window, and I looked over and as soon as I saw it, I said, hey, Mom, look at this. Come here and look at this. And it was what I can only describe as a It looked like a helicopter with a spotlight shining down, but there was no marking lights on this quote unquote helicopter. It was just like a beam in the sky.

44:58 Big So society will be right back after these messages. That was just I mean Hall and mail. It was moving. If I don't know what the speed it was going. It was going I don't know, one hundred and fifty miles an hour, probably more. I mean, I don't know it was it was really moving and it was only I would say, eighty foot above this ditch. And when I say it's a ditch, it's called the State Drain, and it's probably forty feet across and thirty feet deep.

45:51 So it's not a small geological or a small feature in the land. It's kind of a huge It's like a huge river, and this thing was going directly over top of it, just I mean Holland and this and it probably passed by my house. It's maybe a quarter mile from my parents' house. So you would think you'd be able to hear a helicopter or something traveling at that speed when it's completely silent in the middle of the night, and there was no noise, no anything. And I didn't really notice that. I just I kind of it's one of those things again where you know something's not right, like something was wrong there and I don't know what it is, but I'm trying to my logical side of my brain is trying to just sort it out and make sense of make it make sense even though it doesn't. And I just kind of dawned on me, like I didn't hear anything like that was silent, and I asked my mom. I said, did you hear anything?

46:50 Did you hear like rotors or did you hear the engine? He goes no. I said, Wow, that's weird, isn't it? Like that's really weird. I just kind of sat there and thought about it. And it was maybe the next night. A couple of nights later, I had asked her about it, and I said, Hey, do you remember that helicopter? Whatever we saw last night was the you know, the spotlight? And she looked at me and said, uh no, and like she had no idea what I was talking about, which struck me as very very odd. I don't know, because she has a she's a pretty sureful lady. I would think she would remember something like that, especially it happened like the night or two nights before, and that was just always really weird. And then actually where that that, I don't know, we'll call it the helicopter light. I don't know what it was, but where the trajectory of that was going a mile to the south from my parents' house, right along that same state drain. It was this was probably two years ago. This happened in the summer.

48:07 I was bored and I was just kind of traveling around back roads, you know, like my old stomping grounds as a kid. And I was smoking a cigarette, just you know, mind in my own business. It was probably eleven o'clock, eleven thirty at night, just definitely dark, and I was I was just driving maybe ten fifteen miles now, creeping down this back road, and I noticed this weird light, like just off in the field. And I thought like, oh, I wonder if somebody's hunting or something, and you know, that's kind of weird. And I just kept kept cruising. I looked at him. Yeah, I like, that's a really odd colored light. It had like a blue tent to it.

48:53 It was. It was strange. I that's the first thing I noticed that. It made me kind of draw my attention to it. And the more I was paying attention to it, the weirder it got. It was it was only like what people call an orb like it was just like a glowing ball, but it wasn't casting any light off of it. And it was just maybe a foot and a half above like what the top of this beanfield was, so maybe it was three three and a half feet off the ground or so. And I stopped and it was only twenty five yards away maybe, I mean it was close. I could have hit it with a rock for sure. And for whatever reason, I just kept I even after I realized like, this isn't like a flashlight, this isn't normal, my brain was still trying to like I was just like, oh, that must be a hunter, because it almost looked like it was like just slowly, like in a wave pattern, like moving really slow, maybe a mile an hour across the field, and it was just going up and down, just super slow, like maybe a couple of inches up, a couple of inches down, a couple inches up, a couple inches down.

50:13 And I thought like, oh, that must be a guy, you know, just walking with a flashlight. I'm not just gonna sit here and stare at him like some'm weirdo. And as I got down the road, I crossed this bridge maybe ten seconds after I took off, and I thought to myself, like, that wasn't a person, Like why that wasn't a person? Though? And it just really sat. I don't know, it didn't sit with me well, like like I don't know if that wasn't my thought like, oh, it's just a person, just leave, you know, like why don't steer at this person because I clearly knew it was not a person, Like all signs are pointing because this isn't normal. And still I just I don't know if it was my brain trying to rationalize and just get out of there or or what. But it was real odd. And then just you know you're one of the middle ghost type stuff like seeing things move, you know, like salt shakers getting tossed off of counters and you know, crossed rooms. And there was there was one really odd like skin crawling type creepy thing that happened to me when I was younger. I was fifteen, and I used to babysit for my aunt. She had two younger kids. Well, there was one night I put the kids to bed and I was I had folded laundry or doing whatever to keep busy, you know, earning my money whatever little

51:46 she was paying me. And I had all these clothes hampers sitting on the floor and I decided to sleep on the couch. Well, she had gotten home. She was probably at the bar drinking whatever. She got home late. I didn't make up, and the next morning when I woke up, my whole body was covered in the clothes that I had just folded all over in these hampers, like two or three hampers, where the clothes and towels were just covering me. And when I say covering me, I don't mean like one layer. I mean there was. It was almost kind of hard for me as a fifteen year old to figure out what was going on and sit up and get all this material off of me.

52:31 It was, I mean head to toe, covering my nose, my mouth, my face, everything. And then as soon as I got up, I was like, what was going on, you know, trying to make sense of this, and I so I kind of just brush everything off of me and put it back in the hampers, and I walked into the the kitchen to get something to drink, and I just kept getting weirder. There was all the silverware that was in the drawers was just on the counters, and I started saying, and like how drunk did my aunt get? You know, like why would somebody do this? And I just put all the silver back in the counters or in the drawers, and and I went to go to the bathroom, and then the bathroom was locked from the inside. So I was just like, this is weird, what is going on? So I woke my aunt up and she was completely coherent, didn't seem like she was, you know, even like drunk from the night before or anything like, she wasn't bombed. And I'm like, hey, can you unlock the bathroom door? Like it's locked from the inside.

53:41 And I was covered and all these towels, like what did you do last night? And she said nothing. I got home and I went to bed, and I was like, all the silverware it was out of all the drawers. The drawers were open, all the silverware is up on the counter like like, and the bathroom doors locked from the inside. So she unlocks the bathroom door, and the whole inside of the bathroom like she had shelving that went from like almost the floor to the ceiling, these big shelves, and they were all like pulled out almost to the point where they were going to fall out, and like most of the contents were just scattered throughout. The whole bathroom. So I don't know, that was just super weird. And I thought to myself, you know, like, man, that had to be my aunt, you know, like she I don't know if she's playing some kind of crazy trick, Like I don't know why she'd do this to her house.

54:33 I'm just trying to rationalize it, you know, as a kid. And there was an experience that happened later in the house that led me to believe that maybe that really was something supernatural or pair normal, whatever you want to call it. I was sitting in the same house. I was sitting at her dining room table, and we had just made lunch for kids, and she had just got back from work, so that was babysitting them again. And I'm sitting looking towards the wall that would and on the opposite side of this wall would be the living room. And to my left as my aunt, and in front of me as her son, and to the right of me was my younger cousin, Beckham, and she was I want to say four years old at the time, somewhere around there, maybe five. She wasn't in school yet, but she kept she was the only one that could see into this living room because there was a partition wall there and a big archway opening, and she wasn't eating, and she kept like staring off the living room, just like she was really focused on something. And I was looking at her and I said, hey, you know, eat your hot dogs or macaroni and cheese or whatever she was eating at I, come on, eat some of that.

55:46 And she just kind of looked at me like nah, and she played around with her food, and then she looked straight over there like I couldn't get her attention away from the living room. So I was like, what are you looking at? You know's what's so important in there? And she goes, I'm just looking at that man. And I said what and he goes, yeah, I'm just looking at the man. And I'm kind of like laughing, you know, like okay, I'll play a lot with her. I said what man? And she goes, Oh, is a man right there? And I said, oh, what does he look like? And she goes, he's wearing a suit and he's got a hat, and he's he's got a briefcase or he's got a case or however she explained it, you know, in her five year old terms, And and I started kind of getting weird, like that's a you know, I have an accurate description, you know, because there was a little more detail in him, like a tie or whatever. Because I was asking her like more about what he looked like, and she just kept like she was looking right at somebody and explained it like describing them. And I said, oh, well, I said, was he outside the window? And I went to go gain up and look, and she goes, no, he's in the chair, like in the living room, in the chair. And as she says this, as I'm getting up, and I get up and I look over there and there's nobody there, like, not one, not a soul, I sat back down. I said, well, I don't see anybody, know, he's not there anymore. And she looks and she goes, no, he's not there anymore, like just I mean, deadpan, like

57:18 super serious. And it was just like made my skin chronolic. Oh, I don't know what you were seeing, but it seems like you were looking at something. And I just gave a whole lot more validity to whatever happened the experienced before with all the laundry and the whole house being basically turned upside down and nobody waking up, which I'm not a super heavy sleeper, but if you'd stacked things across my face, I'm almost guaranteed to wake up. And I don't know how I slept through all that, but that's pretty much thumbs up most of the odd things that have happened in my life. And I don't think I need to keep rambling, and you're off anymore. You know.

58:02 The interesting thing about all that is that some of it was happening before your big foot encounters, which is extremely interesting. Oh and as you're saying that a black can't just walked across the front of them with Walmart. Parking lot, there you go. Oh, I'm sorry. Just one more thing. I don't know if this has ever happened to anyone else, but it was the whole I don't know if it's paranormal, what it is. I'll try to be quick because I'm probably getting long winded here. When I was five years old, I know the exact night that it happened because there was a picture that my parents for my mom had taken and my cousin Mike had been spending the night with us at our trailer in a little town called Carol, Michigan.

58:52 My parents had a they bought like an acre of property, and they bought a trailer, and you know that that was their startup home or one of their first startup home. And I my bedroom was like in a built on addition from the the main double wide, so I had an exterior door and like a little like metal porch and steps that led off of it, and it had maybe a window that was I don't know, a foot and a half tall by a foot and a half wide or so, might have been two by two. Well, anyway, we were having to sleep over, and my bed faced exactly towards that door, in that window, and that night I had I had woke up something just like like told me to like wake up, and I woke up wide away, looking right at the window of that door, and there was two kids in the window. It's the only way I can describe it. And I thought this was a dream. For twenty some years, I just thought it was a really bizarre dream. So they used to have night peers like all the time, especially in that house.

1:00:06 I don't know what it was, but anyway, I wake up and I see these two kids' faces. One was taller and one was a little shorter. It looked like they were maybe twelve and ten or you know, thirteen to nine, the younger one and the older one. And I remember them like just looking in at us, and then all of a sudden they'd disappear for a second, like run down the steps or whatever, and then all of a sudden they'd peer in again. And at one point, one of them was holding up when I think was a newspaper article or some kind of piece of paper, you know, like with an article on it, and they were pointing at it, like they were pointing at a specific piece of it. And I remember just being petrified, you know, because I'm a five year old. I don't know what to make of this, and I just closed my eyes, and then before I knew it, woke up in the morning. I, you know, just must have fallen asleep.

1:01:04 Well twenty some years later, this was this was probably six years ago. It was in the last six years that that I figured out this was actually happened, because I had told you my mom had taken a picture of us that night. And and what makes me remember that night is because I peed the bed, which is not a cool thing to admit to thousands of people. On the internet. But that's how I remember, and I remember being so ashamed, you know, thinking, Oh, my cousin's gonna think I'm such a you know, a little baby. I peed the bed. That's that. Every time I see that image, I think of me wedding the bed and that night and those kids or that dream. And it was, like I said, five years ago. I asked my cousin because that picture was hanging in our house and he happened to be visiting. It was some kind of family gathering, and I said, hey, do you remember the night that picture was taken? And he kind of gave me a weird looking like, yeah, I remember why. I said, do you remember anything weird that night? Like I just wanted to ask him without planting any seeds or anything, you know, and I just wanted to know if he saw anything weird.

1:02:11 And I said, you know, I asked him that question. He says, yeah. I said, what do you remember do you remember anything involving like, you know, anything was that door that used to lead outside of my room or outside? And he goes, yeah. I said, what did you see? He goes, I saw a couple of kids. And I just both of us like our hearts sank, like wow, that was real, because I think he was thinking the same thing, like that had to have been a dream or a nightmare or something like, you know, like just forget about it. But he remembered exactly the same thing I remembered. I said, do you were they was it just the kids or was there anything else? Were they holding anything? You know? And he's said, yeah, they're holding a piece of paper or like a newspaper. And I was like, son of a you know, son of a gun. Uh, just you know the things that you just you're right off as, oh I must be crazy or that never happened there. It's it's a it's amazing when you actually have confirmation of like, no, that really legitimately did happen, and there's another person that I can corroborate it, because all the other odd things that have ever happened in my whole life have all just it's just been me.

1:03:32 Nobody else to share the experience, nobody else to you know, Hey, did you see the same thing I said seen? Or did you hear what I heard? And the only time there there was another person or a couple of people there, like they were the dead of the world didn't even wake up for the experience of the sound, and that that really has always bothered me, like for the longest time, like, man, why can't this happen with somebody else to see it or to you know, at least let me know that I'm not crazy. But that's that's literally all all of it. I'm sorry for being so long winded, and if I'm stumbling through my words, I really I'm sorry.

1:04:13 I think you did a fantastic job. It's always very special when someone can collaborate something you saw without you even saying what it was, which is very cool. But you know, you have had some really really interesting experiences around Michigan, and I just want to thank you for for coming on this the show, Gyles. But you know, going real quick before before we end, you know, you did have that that visual of something for a few seconds from Based on what you saw, was it something that seemed more more ape like or more human like or was it something that was maybe completely different?

1:05:13 Well before I answer, keep in mind, I didn't see any details like facial features, any any skin tone, any any anything. Sure, but with that in mind, that looked one hundred percent like a human like just a freakishly big human And it took me a little while to convince myself like that was not a person, Like there is absolutely no way and that's with the with without the thought of them disappearing, like it was such a just girthy, big person. That's the only way I can describe as like a corn fred country boy, like if Andrea the Giant was like and physically like physically more fit, like he was more toned out, you know, like like actually cared about his health and just bigger, Like this thing was so big, but definitely I would say much more man like appearance than anything. There was not really much gorilla about it then, Like the way that it's head and neck was, it just looked like it had no necks, like it was just wearing a hood, but it clearly wasn't wearing any clothes.

1:06:42 Wild wild stuff something, you know, one thing's for sure, there's some weird stuff going on in Michigan. I just want to say thank you for coming on the show, Giles, to share what you've experienced over the years, and you know, definitely keep us in mind if you do experience anything else weird in the future. We'd love to hear from you. Oh yeah, yeah, I really appreciate having the opportunity to just get this off my chest and let people know. So I think Michigan's kind of a state where I don't know if we're behind the curve and technology and people getting on board with with the different YouTube channels and Facebook pages and getting involved in online communities with this, but it seems like it's really picking up a lot of steam and people are more willing than ever to be open with you and and and give you their real experiences and not just sit there in silence and feel like they're going to be judged. So the more people that come forward with honest, you know, truth, the more normal it's going to be for everybody, and easier it'll be for for anybody that wants to just you know, breast themselves and what's happened to them. Appreciate what you're doing.

1:08:03 You and everybody every other channel that's like this. Well, thank you Gyles, and again feel free to reach out if you ever need to share anything else. But thanks for coming on the show tonight. Oh yeah, I the pleasures but all mine, Thank you very much. Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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