Dec. 26, 2024

It Reached Into My Tent! | Washington

In this captivating episode, Jeremiah Byron of Bigfoot Society talks with veteran Bigfoot researcher Ghee Bouche´. With 13 years of experience in the Pacific Northwest, Ghee shares astonishing encounters, including unforgettable nights in Washington's...

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Season 1

In this captivating episode, Jeremiah Byron of Bigfoot Society talks with veteran Bigfoot researcher Ghee Bouche´. With 13 years of experience in the Pacific Northwest, Ghee shares astonishing encounters, including unforgettable nights in Washington's Callam County. He recounts mysterious nighttime disturbances in Mora Campgrounds, eerie rock-throwing incidents, and a hair-raising encounter with a Bigfoot hand inside his tent while camping near Mount Adams. Ghee also explores lesser-known phenomena like floating lights and unexplained electronic failures. Ghee offers insights, experiences, and stories that challenge our understanding of these elusive beings.

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You've got the privilege of talking to Ghee Bouchet from

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out there in the Pacific Northwest. Gee has been bigfooting

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for thirteen years. Out there, he's interviewed dozens of credible

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witnesses as a member of the BFRO, and he seeks

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a greater understanding of the mystery of sasquatch. So it's

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a pleasure to have you on the show today.

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Gee. Hey, sure, am I How you doing doing great? Man?

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I was just editing some video I took out in Oakridge, Oregon,

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in the Willamette National Forest, and I'm like, man, I

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gotta get back out there. It's just you guys got

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a good out there.

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Those are beautiful mountains. Yeah. I always try and get

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out as much as I can. That's got to take

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advantage of it when you live in the Northwest.

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Absolutely, I agree. I would, man, I probably wouldn't really

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be at home. But gee, we were talking before the

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show started, and I think it would be great if

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would you mind starting with how you got into this

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whole subject of Bigfoot to begin with.

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Yeah, I had always been a person getting out of

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the mountains ever since I was a kid. I went out.

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I lived down in California, so i'd go up to

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Cascade Mountains, but the Asira's a lot and do big

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backpacking trips, and I was always around a lot of

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the wildlife there. Down there, we have more of a

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prominence of bears than we have up here. We will

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typically see bears at campsites all over the place. You

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really have to be aware of those guys. So when

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I first moved up here, I felt like it was

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a little bit more rugged, less people so I'm going

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to see bears all the time, and it was something

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that kind of shocked me. I really didn't see bear

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prints or scat unless you go up the certain areas

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of the mountains. It is not a common thing. But

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I'd carry around bear base just in case to protect

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my family at the time when I first started going

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out around here and I was not in the big footing.

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Around twenty eleven twelve, me and my wife celebrating her

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birthday with my two daughters, who were five and six,

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we decided let's go out to war campgrounds out by

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four XS. We've never been out there before. This would

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be fun February. It's gonna be cold as hell, but

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we'll bring tons of blankets and the kids can be

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bundled up in handwarmers. And at the time the kids,

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we had taken them out since their babies out camping

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and they were perfectly fine with it. So we picked

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a spot. It was the and you can find this

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spot at Wurra Campgrounds. They have the whole campground shut

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down except for one area that was by the river,

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and we picked a spot that was the most southwestern

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point in that location that you could camp and all

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day long. We're having fun. I like having beers. I'm

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having beers and the kids are playing around. Me and

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my wife are taking them for bicycle rides and everything else.

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And I'm thinking from the time I've been up here

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that I'm not seeing any beer tracks bears. It's winter time.

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They've got to be hibernating. There's gonna be nothing around.

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It's gonna bess with recyclables at all. So kept him

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in a box, and around eleven thirty, we have the

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girls tucked in already and me and my wife were done.

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games and things. And we tucked in and we got

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in the tent and we were flanking our girls and

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either side with beer and mace, just to be safe again,

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keeping our kids safe. And we were laying there and

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we heard our recycling box tip upside down and just

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dump on the ground. It was a good sound, whatever

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it was. And at the time, we're thinking, whatever it was,

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it drugged about twenty feet and just dump the recycles out.

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They weren't yety coolers and they had everything in them.

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They had beerd drinks for the kids. They had salami, bacon, eggs,

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all the kind of food you can imagine you need

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for several days camping. And we thought, oh great, there's

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a Why is there a bear up right now? There's

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a bear out there getting to her stuff. And it

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actually walked past our tent on my wife's side, and

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it was some very heavy feet and it brushed against

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the tent. My wife looked at me in big eyes,

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and I put my finger in front of my mouth

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and I said, it does anything. But I just made

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a motion like don't don't move, don't make a sound,

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stay quiet, don't move. And the girls were looking at us,

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and we're saying to them, don't you know, stay quiet.

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The thing walked away, apparently, I thought. And we were

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laying there and I said to my wife, I'm gonna

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get out, I'm gonna put the coolers away, check see

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what happened. I've got a spotlight and I'm gonna just

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make sure this bear gets out of here. I'm still

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baff is to Wine February. There is a bear out

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growing around. But we were in the tent. I got out.

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My wife said, be careful, and I'm sure all the

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neighbors really love this. At twelve thirty night, I turned

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my car alarm on the pair away and I got

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out with a flashlight at the spotlight and aimed it

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around in the area, and I said, you get out

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of your bear. Bad bear. Got out of the tent

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with the bear mace ready, clean up the recycles, put

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the material away, locked up the truck, and I heard

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some movement down in the lagoon below us, where there

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was a patch of fairly deep water three or four

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feet deep, muddy on the bottom. I had gone out

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that day and seen this, and down below there there

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are also beaver cuts in the ground where the beavers

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can hide from the eagles, and I guess it's certain

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way of escaping. But that space down there had mud here,

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and there patches of mud beaver cuts everywhere in a

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lagoon right below us, by about fifty feet away. And

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so I shined the light down there. I said, get

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away from your bad bear. This's just the only bad bear.

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I got back in the tent told my if, hey,

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it's got to be okay. Now we're fine. That's no

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big deal. Bad thing's definitely gone, without a doubt. Scared off,

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got of the tent. We're laying there. Fifteen minutes later,

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my wife goes asleep, my youngest daughter goes asleep next

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to her, and I'm laying there with my oldest daughter.

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She's still awake, and we hear something from Macaw Indian

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Reservation about five hundred yards away jumping the Quilliad River

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and it was a loud splash. I thought, man, that's

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a big beer or that's a big animal. Wow. And

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my oldest daughter was laying there's six years old, so

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she's down. I'm scared. I said, oh, honey, there's a

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steel head out there right now. There's guys fishing for

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steelhead here tomorrow morning. There it's just a air it's

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going for food. About four minutes later, we hear it's

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getting closer. We hear a big a huge log or

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something snapped in half and again getting in the water

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and going across a big puddle. There were a number

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of dugouts out there where water and filled up when

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the tide would come in. I thought, wow, that's getting close.

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So my daughter was getting scared and said, honey, just

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go to bed. I'm here. That's we're in a tent.

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We're totally safe. Don't worry about it. About five minutes later,

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everybody's asleep and I'm laying there and I hear swishing

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coming in the water down below. Noted there's a little

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channel of water. It's not more than six seven inches deep.

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But something was walking towards our space, and I thought, wow,

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those are big. That's a big sound. That's something really,

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that's a very big bear. And it was coming across

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in the water. And then the craziest thing happened. That

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one of the craziest things that a big footing has

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ever happened to me. And this again, I had not

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really thought about bigfoots as being real. I'd heard about them,

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I'd camped in the mountains. I'd never seen anything, never

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had anything happen. A rock the size of a basketball

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was thrown into the water and you can hear it

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hit the water. And then what happens when a big

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object goes up in the air and splashes down in

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the middle of it. It was followed by four more

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big rocks, each one. I mean, you could tell it

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was thrown in the water. It was it had intention

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behind it. It was pretty scary because I thought bears

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don't throw rocks, and there's no way anybody's down there

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with rocks that big one. You couldn't carry them too.

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There's no lights down there. There's no light. You could

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see a light through the tent if somebody was down

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there with the light. We had not talked to anybody

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there about bigfooting. We're looking for bigfoots, so why would

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anyone want to play a gag on us or something

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and be doing that down there. Anyways, after about five rocks,

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and this is something I only learned about years later,

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and this terrified me what happened because it was something

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that I had never experienced before in my life. And

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I've heard other people on your program say you're going

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to think I'm crazy saying this, And I'm not going

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to say you're going to think I'm crazy saying this,

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because this has happened to a lot of people. But

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a voice came into my head and said, don't you

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ever call me a bad bear. And it came up

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with a name, and it's hard to remember this name,

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but it was like Disquatchety or something. It was a

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Native American name, and it said, don't you ever call

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me a bad bear again. And this thing was angry.

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It was really angry. And I don't know if it

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was an alarm going off, if there was another one

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that was the other one was a part of its family.

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I don't know what was going on. But I didn't

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sleep until the sun came up. I was petrified. And

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when it walked away, there was something with it that

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sounded like a blend between a lamb and a monkey.

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It was making little sounds, almost like a baby wood,

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and it just walked away and that was the end

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of that experience to me. When that happened, I immediately

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was like, wow, that was incredible. The next day I

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went down and I took a picture of a twenty

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two inch threat in the mud down below, as well

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as the indentations where four or five of the rocks

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had been thrown in the mud and they sunk right

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into the mud and disappeared in the lagoon. And we

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had talked to the ranger there and said, hey, have

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you ever had anything like this happened around here? Because

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you know, I was oblivious to this. They said, oh, yeah,

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we find prints around the lighthouse area and up in

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the hill and people have had experiences here and there

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in all the place, and it really awoke me to Wow,

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how oblivious have I been this whole time to this

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reality that all these lower, all these stories I had

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heard for some of the years about how real these

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things are there, and that the Native Americans. I ended

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up meeting a friend from the BFURRO who speak would

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speak to the chieftains, and the chieftains would say, we

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used to trade with them thousands of years ago. They

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were a part of our community. We had known about

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them for thousands of years. I ended up looking at

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the bfur O and they had an expedition that was

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set for I believe it was either July or August.

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Was positive July, and we went up there and this

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is a spot that was in between Mount Saint Helens

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and Mount Adams, in the middle of nowhere, thirty forty

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miles away from any city, any town at all, just

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absolutely in the boondocks. And we went out there and

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I thought, I'm going to get a jump on this.

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I'm going to go out there Wednesday, so before many

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people show up, They're going to be out there Wednesday

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to people leading it. This is Kirk Brandenburg, Scott Taylor

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and several Kevin Jones and several other people that are

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already very prominently known in the BFRO. And I met

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them out there and they said, hey, if you want

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an experience with these guys, put your tent by the

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edge of the forest over there, because that's where they

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come from. For some reason, there's no no roads over

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that direction. It's just open. And I thought, in my head,

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I thought that experience I had to have been just

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a fluke, that had to have been something that once

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in a lifetime you're going to experience it. Leg This

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is no way, even though I'm way out here in

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the middle of nowhere, I'm going to come up here

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and I'm going to have a similar experience in any way.

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No way. So I go and camp there the first night,

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nothing happens, and that's what I expected. I thought. No.

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I just got up in the morning Thursday morning, met

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some people that showed up. We started hiking away from

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the main base camp and got about two and a

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half miles ag from that. There's a gentleman Chris Binham,

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he's out there probably going to listen to this at

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some point. And Doug Howe, who is another gentleman that

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was with us went back there and we get gloss.

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At one point we're like, let's where are we at.

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The map we had wasn't showing. We had a compass,

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but the road we went to was not on the map.

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But we thought, now we're lost up here. This is,

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you know, kind of bad. We couldn't go back where

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we came from because we went through swamps and hills

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and thicket and it was just a mess trying to

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get to that point. We end up we're standing there.

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We found a spot walking a little further that was

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a dugout. It was a space that had it was

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very savvy and there were imprints everywhere as if there

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had been a lot of foot traffic in there, not

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footprint footprints. So it was very sandy. So anything it

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would leave a print there is going to collapse over time.

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I would imagine, I don't think you'd make a good

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print that very sandy material. But there were bones everywhere.

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These bones didn't have any meat on them, they weren't fresh,

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and some of them were in patterns. It was very unusual.

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Everything from elk legbones, no head pieces, no spines, but

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lots of leg bones and antlers all over the place,

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and we thought that was unusual. We're sand in there.

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And something caught my attention to my left, in my periphery,

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and I went to look at it, and as I

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caught the look of what it was, it went down

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at a forty five degree angle at a miraculous speed.

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It was as if it knew it was being looked at,

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because I didn't see any eyes, but I saw a

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cone shaped head that was about sixteen inches across at

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its lowest point. It was had hair that was matted down,

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oily ish, watery looking glistening. The sun glistened off it.

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It was we were in the sun. It was eighty

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five degrees and it dove down quickly, and so I thought,

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meat to land. Our brain's like bear, there's a bear

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up here, and I sent it to the guys. They're like,

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why down, Let's walk up there calmly. So if it's

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a bear, we don't want to be attacked by a

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bear two miles away from where we came from. That

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would be horrendous trying to get back from a bear attack.

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And so we went around the corner up the hill

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sixty feet away, no tracks, no scat no movement, no sounds,

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and we thought, we're still lost. How are we going

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to get out of here? And to backtracks us a

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little bit. When I first got there the first day,

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we went around to a spot not more than half

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a mile away from where we were at lost to

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a little lake well I think it was called Little

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Mosquito Lake and looked at it with Kevin Jones and

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checked it out. They said there's been a activity there before,

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and went back to the place, and then I spent

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the night skip ahead. We're stagg at the edge of

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the saying we hear a tick and the forest in

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the distance like something's knocking on a piece of wood.

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We thought, that's interesting, it's either a woodpecker beaver. Let's

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just go over there and look at that. Went to

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that spot. I broke out my little mini cab at

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the point this is going on, start recording it, and

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the sound hit three hits. So my friend Chris Binham

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at the time hit a log three times and he

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had to hit three times.

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Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

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So we were like, that's a smart woodpecker. That's weird.

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So he hit twice, so then it hit it twice,

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so he hit it once, it hit it once, and

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each time we did this it replicated exactly each time,

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and so we followed the sound. We would hit, it

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would make a sound, and it led us all the

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way to where I had been at that little Mesquit lake.

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Let us right there as if it was trying to

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get us out of there. If I could just get

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these dumb creatures out of this space where we normally

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hang out, that would be great without any interaction. And

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then we found eleven and a half inch prints in

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the space. They were bigfoot prints and they were all

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over the place, right by the lake on the hillside.

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So we went down. We told Doug. Doug went up

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there with this guy Mike Beers and this other gentleman

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that worked for the Finding Bigfoot show, Trevor Bounds I

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believe his name was. I think they all went up

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there and spent the night. They had experience that they

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published it went on finding bigfoots. So if you listeners

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want to look up epicids, let's see season one, episode three,

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I believe, which is Squatchier, Oregon or Washington, and they

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interview Doug Howe and he speaks to the idea of

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what happened. He doesn't speak at all about what happened

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with us, which is fine because now dan for thirty seconds.

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But that takes place. So that night I go back

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to my tent and we're expecting Saturday, and we did it.

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We had hllacious thunderstorms that were extremely dangerous with lightning, flooding.

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It was a really dangerous lighting story. I came through.

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I thought, you know, I'm gonna keep my windows open

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front of out. But if I hear rain outside. As

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I parked my vehicle and right next to me, I

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could get out, shut my windows. No big deal. I'll

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be able to get back into my tent quickly. It

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is only eight feet away. I had a canopy above

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the tent to protect it from heat and rain to it.

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I'm a truck park right in front of me, in

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front of the tent, backed up against the tent for

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protection against people driving down the road and things like this.

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So I was sleeping dead sleep, and around two fifteen

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in the morning, I heard what I thought was water.

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I thought this it's raining early. I'd say, wow, I

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should probably get up and shut my windows at my truck.

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Is that's going to soak my truck inside and I'm

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laying there, and then the sound of it slowly stopped,

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and then I realized it wasn't rain. It was gravel

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being dumped on the top of my ten foot canopy

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on the edge, and it was just slowly falling off

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the top of my canopy onto the ground. And then

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I was like, whoa, that's that's not normal, Like what's

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going on here? My brain's more and more my adrenaline

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kicks in, and I'm thinking this is getting stranger. A

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rock then is held by whatever hits the metal pole,

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and it's drugged down the metal pole as if it's

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trying to discern what this stuff is that it sees

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in front of it. And then I'm really like, that's

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really not right. It sounded just like a good sized

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rock hit the metal pole and then just slid down it.

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The canopy and the rain flap in front was left

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open at night time because it was hot during the day,

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it was hot at nighttime. It was just very warm

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up there. And suddenly this pan comes pushing in the

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middle of where the door is and this these fingers

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are probably I've got pretty big hands, pretty good sized hands,

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I'm not a giant person, but I'm six feet I'm

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one ninety pretty good sized guy, at least more than

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double my fingers put together, and the hand itself had

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to have been easily wider from finger to finger, and

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just the four fingers that were reaching in of a

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foot maybe fourteen inches, and you can see each finger clearly.

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And it pushed in and half the tent kind of

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pushed over, and it started sweeping back and forth trying

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to touch something. I was all the way at the

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other wall of the tent in a six man tent,

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and at the point that started happening, my pulse went

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up on my neck so hard I could feel it.

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I thought I was gonna have an aneurysm, because I

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could feel it up in my head, up in my neck,

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and I was terrified. I was so terrified that the

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next day my entire body broke out. The ives, my face,

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every screch of my body broke out and blisters. I

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couldn't believe what was happening. It did that several sweeps,

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two or three good sweeps. The tent was pushed over.

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Then it's pulled out and stopped. It didn't make any

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grunting sounds. There's no smell or anything. It went around

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the side. I could hear it walk past my head

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at this point, and I was petrified because I thought,

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now it's going to reach on this side. It's definitely

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going to touch me. And I don't want to I

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don't want to get up and move because I don't

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want it to know I'm in here. I want to

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be anonymous in here. And I'm panicking. And it goes

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over and grabs another rock and taps the metal bumper

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on my truck, and then I heard it stand up,

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and I didn't hear anything else, no breathing, nothing that

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would make me go. There's nothing else I could say

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but what I heard. And then I heard it walk

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down the road and I was it. It walked down

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the road and just walked away. And that was the

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accumulation of all my points to the point where I

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was like, I want to be a part of the BFO.

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This is fascinating. I was with them for six years.

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They did dozens of I did private expeditions and public ones.

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I interviewed dozens and dozens of people. I ended up

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doing lots of private exit conditions with very well known people,

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just me and one of the persons going out in

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the middle of the woods, and it was a fantastic time.

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But I can definitely tell you that when somebody wants

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to see a bigfoot and they want to go bigfooting,

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and you have that want to do that, it's not always.

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Even I now I'm a lot more brave and doing

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these things. If I hear something, I go towards the

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sound and I deal with I'll talk to it and

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everything else. But it's still it can still be terrifying,

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you know.

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So gee, that is absolutely that's incredible, My goodness. So

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how far away from you? Would you say? How close

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did that hand get to you? When it was sweeping

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back and forth inside the tent?

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It got with then about two two or three feet.

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A six man tent is about six feet across. It

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was pushing the tent halfway ever, so I'd say about

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two or three feet. It was close enough I could

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have reached out and touched it. Last thing on my

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mind right then, the only thing I could think about

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was breathing, my blood pressure going up through my brain

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and trying to I have my covers pulled up to

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my eyes. I was panicking. There was nothing I could

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think about but survival. Some people might say, why don't

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you touch the hand, or why don't you get your

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camera and take pictures. No, it's just not feasible for

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you to think that way. When your brain's in survival

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panic mode. You're just all you're thinking about is if

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I can just survive this and have this thing, because

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I'm thinking what if it grabs me. I don't know

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anything about at the time. I don't know anything about

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these things. I don't know what they're capable of. I

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don't know what happens if they do touch you. Maybe,

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I don't know. Nothing in my brain was going do

452
00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.359
anything but just lay here, just survive. Hopefully this thing

453
00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:50.839
walks away. It was a shock to my brain to

454
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:54.119
think that it was even happening, because I just didn't

455
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:55.799
even think something was gonna happen like that.

456
00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.799
The size of the hand, that almost feels to me

457
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.400
that it could have if your head was This is

458
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.880
tough to even think about, but you know how you

459
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:10.440
palm a basketball like it probably could have palmed your head.

460
00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:14.799
Oh man, easy, There's no one's head out there that's

461
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:16.759
big enough that thing could have done that. It was.

462
00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:18.599
It would have been like a toy. It would be

463
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.960
like the size of your hand grabbing a doll, like

464
00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.079
a little foot tall doll. That it was that big

465
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:27.799
of a hand. I didn't see the thumb, but that

466
00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:30.000
would make sense if you put your fingers straight forward

467
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.119
and you just tried to sweep and touch something, that

468
00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:34.920
it would make sense that you wouldn't see the thumb.

469
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:37.799
But the fingers were. They were enormous. I mean it.

470
00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:40.960
You know, it doesn't take too much forest to push

471
00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:42.400
a tent over. I can go over and just put

472
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:44.880
some weight into a tent, push my six man tent over.

473
00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:48.519
But it, you know, it was putting some forests into

474
00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:50.720
really wanting to see what was in this thing. And

475
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.119
you know, I have so many theories about it now

476
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.039
that I've been big footing for years and I've had

477
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:58.359
many more experiences with them and daylight experiences with them

478
00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:00.400
and never seen the top of the one I saw

479
00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:04.400
it out there ever again. But my theory too was

480
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:07.440
that there must be bigfoots out there that are they're

481
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.359
very remote. They just don't see humans ever. They never

482
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:13.079
just they never make a decision to go out into

483
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:14.839
anywhere and where there's humans and maybe they stay in

484
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:19.359
spots where humans never ever go. And therefore, once it

485
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:21.640
saw the cars that were there and the tents and

486
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.519
everything else, it was just like baffled, like what is

487
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:28.119
going on here? Or these my alien friends have seen before?

488
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:29.599
I don't know, you know, I mean, just so many

489
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:32.039
theories in my head go why did it do that?

490
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.799
And maybe it was just a bigfoot. Another theory it

491
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.839
was one that had seen humans often and it wanted

492
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.960
very brazen and it wanted to say, hey, I know

493
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.839
you're in there. I don't know why you're coming out here,

494
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:47.559
but I'm here. Just let you know and I can

495
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:49.359
do this, and it's I'm okay doing that.

496
00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:53.279
Thinking back of what you saw of the hand when

497
00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:55.880
it was in the tent, were there any things that

498
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.400
you remember that stick out to you that were like, man,

499
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.319
that was really weird, how well it had that, or

500
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.640
his hand looked like that, or any details that just

501
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:08.279
were really weird at the time.

502
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:14.720
I would say one detail about the fingers. Definitively, I

503
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:19.039
know this now from just looking at the fingertips. Sasquatches

504
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.640
do not have claws, so we can rule out bear

505
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:25.640
right there. Bears wouldn't reach in sideways like that and

506
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:28.400
do that anyways, their arms aren't long enough from the

507
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:30.279
edge of the tent where it had to have been.

508
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:33.480
It was reaching in a good three or four feet,

509
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.359
which is a really long arm to reach that far in,

510
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:39.839
and the tips of the fingers were rounded. You could

511
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:42.880
barely see a discernible nail. It was almost not even

512
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.359
discernible because it was dark in the tent, but clearly

513
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:50.880
you could see this hand pushing in. But they were

514
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:55.559
just rounded, just very fat and rounded. Other than that, yeah,

515
00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:58.240
you couldn't really tell much more than that. And again too,

516
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.359
there's nothing else like and the thing is this. Looking

517
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:05.920
back on it, I could say this, it could be

518
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.400
possible that there were breathing sounds that were happening, but

519
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.079
I had so much blood pressure. If you've ever been

520
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:17.759
scared in your life, so scared something has terrified you

521
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:21.519
so much, your hearing actually starts going into it starts

522
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:25.599
going because you're literally you're panicking. You might black out.

523
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.279
You're so panicked, you're so scared, your adrenaline is pumping

524
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.319
in your body, and your blood pressure is so high.

525
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.960
So it could have been the possibility. Once the thing

526
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:39.160
walked around and stop pushing in the tent. My blood

527
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.079
pressure started going down a little bit, and the pumping

528
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.559
in my neck started going down. But just seeing that

529
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:47.079
made me going to a panic mode, an unbelievable panic

530
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.720
mode that I've never experienced before. So just to give

531
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.519
a little background of myself, when I was my teens, say,

532
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.559
you know, eighteen to twenty, I was a firefighter. I

533
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.880
went to fire houses on fire, I helped rescue people.

534
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.680
I was a big wave surfer. I was almost killed

535
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:06.000
eight times big waves. I had great whites go under me.

536
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:08.279
I had great whites come at me, two ton great

537
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.079
whites coming right at me in the water. They're fin up.

538
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.960
None of that made me have such an adrenaline rush

539
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.640
that my pulse was going up through my throat. I

540
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:20.480
literally thought I was going to have an aneurism or

541
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.160
heart attack because I was like, I don't know if

542
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.319
I can handle this much blood pressure. My boy, I've

543
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.880
never ever experienced this before. So it is possible that

544
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:30.880
in the height of that, when there could have been

545
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.000
breathing too. Out of all the other things that I

546
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.880
had noticed, yeah, there was a portion of me that

547
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.400
wishes I was able to be braver right then and

548
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.000
just zip open the tent fantasy mill, and zip it

549
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.559
open and just look at it, see what's right there,

550
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.640
and have that experience. But I almost think in retrospect,

551
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.000
even if I had been able to do that, or

552
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.119
grab the hand, or take a picture of my camera

553
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.680
that I had at that point, or anything like this,

554
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.880
I think I would have passed out. I think from

555
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.319
the distress on the actually if I've seen something too,

556
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:04.319
I think I would have probably literally passed out.

557
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.960
Oh yeah, your body already being at the point that

558
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:10.559
it was. If you tagged on actually seeing a big foot,

559
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.240
it would have been the best option, would have been

560
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.599
passing out probably, just I don't think it.

561
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.359
Probably would have been good. If I had a camera

562
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.640
on myself inside the town seeing myself pass out, that

563
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:23.000
would have been a good one for YouTube.

564
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.400
Oh man, you'll be king of YouTube for a while.

565
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.079
So if I had this happen, the kind of person

566
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:34.880
I would have been, I would have spent days and

567
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:39.920
days scouring the internet for pictures of a hand that

568
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.880
looks similar to what I saw. Is that anything that

569
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:46.240
you've done and found anything that similar or.

570
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:50.240
I've not thought about that. That's a good question. I've

571
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:54.160
never thought to do that to me all these years

572
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:58.400
has just been an experience where you know, when somebody says, hey,

573
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:00.920
tell me the experience you've had, and I've got dozens

574
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:02.799
of experiences with them, and I can rattle off, but

575
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:05.720
that's been something I should do that. It's not something

576
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.359
I've ever done. It's just been one of those experiences

577
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.279
where I've been like, Wow, that's one to add to

578
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.480
the playbook of like what happens if this happens in

579
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.680
the future. What could I do now? When I'm in tent,

580
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.240
I have a recorder going all the time. I have

581
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.319
a recorder going inside the tent, and I have a

582
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:25.839
recorder going outside the tent. I have my phone ready

583
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.079
for pictures. I have a thermal camera. I have so

584
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.720
many things. And sometimes I might even rake the front

585
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.559
of my tent with a rake to make rake lines

586
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.440
on the grounds if it's really rough, so that if

587
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.200
something does step on those rake lines, we be able

588
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.720
to see a pattern and see a footprint. Where I

589
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.519
was at the ground around there was summertime, the ground

590
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.799
was incredibly hard, like concrete, Like if you took a

591
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.039
pick to that, it would probably bounce off. No way,

592
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:54.680
you're seeing footprints anywhere there. In my latency of being

593
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:56.839
really aware of them and everything else, I didn't think

594
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.759
to look for hair on the ground. I did tell Scott,

595
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.759
I did tell Kevin. I didn't tell Kirk. I did

596
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.160
tell those guys, Hey, this experience happened. So we went

597
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.200
over there and looked, and they didn't even see anything.

598
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.039
There was nothing that we could say, Okay, definitively we

599
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.000
know this happened because look at this. But however, I

600
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.839
would say the gentleman, and this is an important point,

601
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.000
who was down? I don't know this guy is at

602
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.839
this point. At one point I had his information. He

603
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.519
had come in Thursday night and was camped just down

604
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:28.880
the way from me, and he had heard it walk

605
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.680
down the road and walk away. So I had one,

606
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.680
only one credible witness at the time that did hear

607
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:37.200
it walk down the road and walk away?

608
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.000
Big for the society, who will be right back after

609
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:40.799
these messages?

610
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.960
But no prints or anything. And Scott and them, I

611
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.759
didn't see them find anything, like, hey, oh my god,

612
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.759
look this this is an important thing to take. Let's

613
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:05.559
take a sample of this.

614
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:07.759
Yeah, did the hand in the arm?

615
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.759
Was it visible that you could see like hair hanging

616
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.799
off the arm or any color to hair if it

617
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:15.160
had it or anything at that.

618
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.359
No, the tent. If you look these tents up, it's

619
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:22.920
called the hobbitat. I don't know if they sell them anymore,

620
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.400
but I had my. I'm always a little bit personal,

621
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.319
especially that personably, I like privacy and a tent. So

622
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.319
I close the flaps that you can see in with

623
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.079
I think if that had been open, I would have

624
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.359
seen out it and seen it definitively for sure. But

625
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.400
because it's going through it, it's a tent, it's pushing

626
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.920
into a tent. There's you couldn't see any hair or

627
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.240
the body or anything like this. It was just all

628
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.160
you can see are the giant fingers trying to touch

629
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:48.839
something in the tent.

630
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.640
You know, Oh man, that is That's such an incredible

631
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.640
thing to have happen. And how long did it take

632
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.680
for you to share them when you got home or

633
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.119
was it a thing where you held on to it

634
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.160
for a while before you shared with your family.

635
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.240
I actually my wife had been with a friend down

636
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.200
in Oregon and they were at her house and the

637
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.759
first this is just like a little sideshoot of how

638
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.599
this affected me, which was interesting. I At first, I

639
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:25.400
came out of there because I hadn't been drinking for

640
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.759
four or five days. They said no alcohol up there,

641
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.960
so I said, fine, I'll follow your rules. No drinking.

642
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.799
It's not tough for me to do that. I think

643
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.440
that makes sense. So you don't want to say you

644
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.519
had an experience and they're like, were you on anything?

645
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:37.000
So I didn't drink up there. So when I came

646
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:41.119
out of the mountains, I was like, wow, like that

647
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.319
everything that happened up there. I need a drink and

648
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.359
I'm gonna have some margaritas. So I came into a

649
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.640
Mexican food restaurant and these people were all partying in

650
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.000
at this table, this big old family. They were laughing

651
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.319
and talking and I came in. I hadn't showered in

652
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.960
four days, and I looked like I had seen a ghost.

653
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.640
My eyes were like saucer play. They were huge, and

654
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.400
I looked and everybody, the body went quiet in the place.

655
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.440
Just the vibe changed immediately, like a drop of the dime,

656
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.680
like you hear a pin drop in the place. And

657
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:13.839
I was like, table for one, sat me down, and

658
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.440
then I went down. After I had some lunch or

659
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.240
coming out of the mountains, a couple of drinks. Margaritis

660
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.039
went down and met my wife and they're like, what happened?

661
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:24.400
They're like, are you okay? I was like, I need

662
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.240
another drink. I just can't. I can't. I don't know

663
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.200
how to put to words what happened up there. You're

664
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.240
gonna think I'm nuts. This is like unbelievable. This happened.

665
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.119
Then this happened, and we did this. I talked to

666
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:38.279
him for an hour and a half. Immediately I was

667
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.119
my daughters, who were I don't know at the seven

668
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:43.079
or eight at the point or not, is there were

669
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.960
like five six about the same age at that point,

670
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.440
because only it was only like six months later that

671
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.400
I went from that first place at maracamp Arounds to

672
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:54.960
that expedition the same year, twenty twelve. They had really

673
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.200
big eyes and they were looking at me like I

674
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.359
was telling some kind of a fantasy story, and I

675
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.400
was trying to cut out things that were really scary

676
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:02.839
because I'm like, they're staring at me. I don't want

677
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:05.119
to scare my kids. But it is an important point

678
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.480
to recognize that to this day, my in terms of

679
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.480
morcamp grounds. Skipping way back to the beginning, of things.

680
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.000
She won't go out there and camp anymore. She does

681
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.760
not feel comfortable out there. She's literally scared of that area.

682
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.159
And I have I'm planning to go out actually this

683
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.559
summer with a group the same spot where that this

684
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.039
incident I'm telling about reached in the tent happened and

685
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:29.800
try and hike to the same area where we found

686
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.039
the bones and everything. So I'm going to do a

687
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.960
mini expedition with a group of people out there that

688
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:36.800
I know and trust and I've been with for quite

689
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.719
a long time, So.

690
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.320
That that is amazing. Did anything else interesting happen during

691
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.440
that expedition that you were part of at that time.

692
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:51.079
Other than the lightning storm we didn't have. I mean,

693
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.199
there were a variety of things that happened to other

694
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.679
people that they had their experiences of things, but I

695
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.000
can't speak to that because I wasn't a part of it.

696
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:03.159
So I whenever I tell some experience I had in bigfooting,

697
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:08.400
I speak to the experience of my own experience. When

698
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.880
somebody says they believe in bigfoot, I say, I don't

699
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.920
think you should do that. Don't listen to other people

700
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.920
and believe in well, I mean, for your show. Maybe

701
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.719
this is a good thing. It's entertaining, right, that's interesting.

702
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:22.440
But I really say, hey, take somebody with you, you trust.

703
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.920
Take something to protect yourself out in the woods, bear

704
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.519
mace or what have you, whatever you need. Go out

705
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.480
in an area that is remote, and if you've heard

706
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:32.960
stories in the area, check it out. But make sure

707
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:34.800
you take somebody with you and be safe. Take us

708
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.840
a small group of people, stay together and experience something

709
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.039
that you can't explain. Because I've heard of so many

710
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.519
stories with so many other people, and you can tell

711
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.239
when somebody's really telling you the truth, they're not. Out

712
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.840
of all the people I interviewed over the years of

713
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.679
the BFO I heard, I'd talk to some people. I

714
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:58.000
was like, that's just total, that's not that did not happen.

715
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.400
I can tell, and other people you can hear their

716
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.000
voice shake like mine does a little bit when I

717
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.679
recount some of these things, because it's a real experience

718
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.880
and it really happened, and it's then even now you

719
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.360
can it's frightening. It's it was frightening then, and to

720
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.920
recount and relive it, it's frightening now. And so when

721
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.280
I hear other people having experiences on these in these situations,

722
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:26.800
on these expeditions online or something like this. I take

723
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:28.880
it with a grain of salt, and I don't try

724
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:33.360
and tell someone else their story because that's not my

725
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.400
place to act like I'm them. And that's something I

726
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.239
really know what that was like, and whether they're telling

727
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.800
the truth or not, that's up to somebody else's opinion

728
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.559
at that point, if they really believe that or not.

729
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.199
But out of all the people I interviewed, I found

730
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.920
quite quite a lot of them were really credible, and

731
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.079
the ones that weren't you could easily tell.

732
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.000
Yeah, no, I respect your viewpoint on that for sure.

733
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.360
After you had this experience with the arm coming into

734
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.000
your tent, how did that affect the way that you

735
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.239
looked at Bigfoot? Or did it send you on this

736
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.840
crazy quest for a few years where you just all

737
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.599
you were just engrossed into the subject.

738
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.599
My wife remembers me saying things like, Okay, the group's

739
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.519
going out to bumping like again, Bob Gimlin's nat and

740
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.639
Ron Moorehead's going to be out there, Scott's going to

741
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.440
be like the whole group. I felt like I had

742
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:31.320
found my people at that point. I was like and

743
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.880
she and my wife's really supportive of me. She is

744
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:38.199
the best person on the planet. She's the most godly,

745
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:42.920
angelic supportive person you would ever meet. And she supported

746
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.280
me through I'm a musician. She supported me through years

747
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:46.960
of you need to go play music with your buds,

748
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.119
go do that. You need to go bigfooting, go do that.

749
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.480
You need to go fishing, go do that. Can't buy yourself,

750
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.400
go do that. That's amazing. I have to call her

751
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.719
out for amazing support in my life. But then when

752
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.639
I had those experiences, I was like, I need to

753
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.760
go out to bumping like almost every weekend because the

754
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:03.920
thing's going on. And we had lots of experiences out

755
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:08.119
there too that were like amazing experiences with bigfoot. That

756
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.280
I found a print that was sixteen inches that I kept,

757
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.159
just huge print. It was so deep in the ground.

758
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.039
We had a guy, this guy Jeff Robinson, who tried

759
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.440
to stop on the ground. Jeff at the time weighed

760
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.400
two fifty two sixty, he's sixty four, six ' five,

761
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.079
he's a big guy, thirteen inch footprint shoes and he

762
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.239
couldn't make any print in the ground. And we didn't

763
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:34.719
have a plaster of Paris who covered the print. The

764
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.599
print was a good three inches into the ground, and

765
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:39.360
there was another print off the other side of the

766
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.679
foot six seven feet away, and then a third one

767
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.039
on its toe, as if it started running. All kinds

768
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.039
of experiences. I went out there every weekend. My wife

769
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:48.480
was just like, you're going out there again. It was like,

770
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.079
I have to like it ended up at a point

771
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.079
where I broke off from those groups and going out

772
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.880
with them, and I went with my own guys, and

773
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.199
then and then that subside and those guys moved away

774
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:04.079
and did other things, and now I just go out

775
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:05.840
with a couple of people once in a while, and

776
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:08.920
it's I don't do the BFRO expeditions anymore, and I'm

777
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:10.360
not really a part of the bf or. I don't

778
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.760
check there. They have a thing, a background site you

779
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.960
can check and look at, and I'm sure I could

780
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.800
log in again and look at and invite somebody to

781
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:20.519
tell me their story and everything else, but I just

782
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.639
don't do that as much. I had so many experiences

783
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.159
that I'm like, these things are definitely alive and out there.

784
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:26.639
And if you go out in the woods and you're camping

785
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.239
and you have an experience in great that's fantastic, and

786
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:33.000
we have had I've had experiences now more recently where

787
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.000
a piece of wood the size of five six inches

788
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:37.800
as their comference was hit on a tree and then

789
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.199
a branch that big was just torn off the tree

790
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.719
eighty feet in front of us as me, my one

791
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.039
of my good friends and another guy named Dave Grant

792
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:47.880
were walking up a trail and it was right in

793
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.920
front of us broad daylight. It was incredible. Now that's

794
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.440
what I do now, I'm I'm I wouldn't say I'm

795
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.039
retired from big footing. I still do it, and I

796
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.599
have a channel called out Squatching where I post videos

797
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:01.639
and so just a baby chat's not all the gear channel.

798
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.679
I think you have a beautiful channel, but it's just

799
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.719
in development. For it's mostly for me going out and

800
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:10.440
having experiences with people and not unlike you interview people.

801
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.440
I just want to go out and post experiences and

802
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.440
show people how to camp and review camping gear and

803
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:16.440
things like this for fun.

804
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:21.079
That's awesome because I think it takes both of those

805
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:26.639
type of media formats, at least that's my personal I

806
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:31.280
like both of those, like the channels where you're interviewing

807
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:33.880
the person that had the experience, but then also the

808
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:38.480
people like yourself or Alex Pettakov or Tate Hieronymous, where

809
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.719
you're actually going out into the field and documenting that

810
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.519
for people that cannot go out themselves.

811
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:46.000
Is it possible?

812
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.960
And I was laughing before because not that I was

813
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.800
laughing at you, but because I get that a lot,

814
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.719
especially after going out to Oregon. Then I'm not as

815
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.320
deep into this whole field work thing, but I get

816
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.679
how it grabs a hold of you. Can you is

817
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.800
it even possible to explain to a person who hasn't

818
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.400
been out there and had it just grab a hold

819
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.760
of your focus? Why is it that you get so enamored?

820
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.920
I think I've always been one to have an aspect

821
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.440
of myself that I love the mysterious. I love the

822
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.559
mystery of life that I can't explain things that are

823
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:34.400
incredible on life. My father, coming from his genes, he

824
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.800
was a brilliant scientist, like an Einstein level scientist. He's

825
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.960
taught himself up to a PhD level by the time

826
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.360
he was eighteen years old, mathematics, so he could design

827
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.480
radar and teach it to other people. By the time

828
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:49.639
he was nineteen that were full on college educated people

829
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:51.400
that he would teach them how to design and build

830
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:55.840
radar systems. So I have a similar level of just

831
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.519
intrigue about mystery and how things work and what's going

832
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.679
on with is. I'm fascinated about all kinds of the

833
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.039
dynamics of life and UFOs and everything. I think it's

834
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:08.920
all really fascinating. I've often told my wife, you know,

835
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.519
whenever you're in life and you're doing something and you

836
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.039
think life is boring and all I'm doing is standing,

837
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.280
you're doing this thing, don't forget the real physics of

838
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.280
life is such that and this is a real calculation.

839
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.440
I believe you could look this up. You're going through

840
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.239
space and time at twenty six million miles per second,

841
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:28.800
and who knows where. We're just going through space and

842
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:33.239
time out in or out to some distant thing at

843
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.840
an incredible rate. Right, But it feels like you're just

844
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.519
it's just a normal life. Sometimes there's no mystery to it.

845
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.559
But I think, well, if you really look around the

846
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:45.000
corners of life, and you really keep your field of

847
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.480
vision open and your mind open to things, and don't

848
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.679
close it off to things, I find that there is

849
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.800
a mystery everywhere to something and that bigfooting is just

850
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.159
one of those mysteries. No one, you can't man some people.

851
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.559
I've heard people literally say, I've shaking hands the big Foot,

852
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.280
I've sitting down, I sit down. I talk to him daily,

853
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:06.800
and I just from my experiences, I'm like, I don't.

854
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.000
Maybe you're a unique person, and maybe that's keeping an

855
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.719
open mind. Maybe that person really does do that, but

856
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:16.719
I personally can't imagine that really happening with them. I

857
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:21.440
believe that they are a nomadic really rare to see

858
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.960
a species of wild human being that, in my personal opinion,

859
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.800
I believe the reason why they have a this is

860
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.639
a part of the mystery of it to me. But

861
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.039
the reason why they have a occipital is it except

862
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:36.960
the load the top of their head, the way it

863
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.880
peaks up at a point a sagile cress sect is

864
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.400
that they that has a really developed gland in it,

865
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.679
their pituitary gland and what's called the crystal cave it's

866
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.559
been noted to be called. And that combined with the

867
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.639
fact that they don't have any distractions like we do.

868
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.039
They don't have TVs, they don't have maybe I don't

869
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.119
know if they do. Who knows. I don't think they

870
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.199
have as much like to worry about their ego or

871
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.880
if they make enough money or did enough that year

872
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:10.000
to feel, you know, like their life is good. But

873
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.039
I believe that sagittal crest and the pituitary go line

874
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:14.920
in the fact that they don't have those distractions, and

875
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.800
even more importantly, they've taught each other how to do this.

876
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.440
I believe that there's a possibility that they could zip

877
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.400
in an out of reality when they need to. And

878
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.079
many people have said. The Native Americans have said this,

879
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:29.679
that they their right of passage is to be invisible

880
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.280
right in front of you and almost I think it's

881
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.239
called counting crows, or there's a name for it. The

882
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:35.840
Native Americans who say, if you can go up and

883
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.119
touch another warrior and get away without being shot by

884
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:41.760
an arrow, that is you've earned your place. The Native

885
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.960
Americans say the Bigfoot do the same thing. Maybe not

886
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:45.719
go up and touch somebody, they have to wave their

887
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.079
arms and be right in front of you, visible, and

888
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:52.320
then they've gotten to that point. So how you can

889
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:56.000
prove this obviously impossible to try and prove unless you

890
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:58.280
want to really listen to the Native Americans, And there

891
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.639
you should listen to them because they been around for

892
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.719
a long time and they're not making a lot of

893
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:03.400
this stuff up.

894
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.679
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.

895
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:28.639
It's free, but in looking at all, that's why I

896
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.159
think it really gets me out of the woods. And

897
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.719
I'm still interested in this after all these years, because

898
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:35.840
there's things I can't prove, and I'm glad I can't.

899
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.320
It's an aspect of life that it's good to have

900
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.920
mystery in your life. It's good to find some mystery

901
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:43.760
in life around you. It's good to believe in things

902
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.320
you can't understand a little bit and seek those answers

903
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.920
out even if you can't explain it. There's a Buddhist saying,

904
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.039
and I could get this wrong, but I believe there's

905
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.920
this Buddhist saying that says I will keep we will

906
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.000
keep trying to achieve nirvana, even though achieving their vane

907
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:03.159
it is impossible. You can It's like catching up to light.

908
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.039
If you're traveling at the speed a light. You can't

909
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.400
do it. Never gonna explain it, don't even try. But

910
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.480
big footing could be the same thing. It could be

911
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.639
unexplainable period for a long time. Oh.

912
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:18.719
Absolutely, has there been a time when you have been

913
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:23.079
on an expedition something happened that is just so far

914
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.440
outside the realm of explanation that you just had to

915
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:28.480
be like, I don't know what happened there.

916
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:30.800
It was pretty cool, but it was weird.

917
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:35.960
Yeah, I have one, and a lot of people speak

918
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:40.119
to this, capturing pictures of or seeing lights around expeditions.

919
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.239
A lot of people see at the one I went

920
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.320
to in twenty twelve, they were seeing these blue and

921
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:48.719
red dots of light go between the trees and couldn't

922
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:50.800
explain it wasn't during the lightning storm because it wasn't

923
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.480
ball lightning, as some listeners might say, Oh that's ball lightning.

924
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.599
It was that wasn't happening right then. But when I

925
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.639
did go out to another place, I won't give the

926
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.239
name of this place because it's a little bit coveted

927
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:05.880
amongst the bigfoot community. I don't want to overload a

928
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.199
people and have hundreds of people out there. And last

929
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:10.679
time some bigfooters went out there, they were parked in

930
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.519
the grass. A sheriff showed up and called in a

931
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.519
tribal police and they kicked them out of the area.

932
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:18.400
So I don't know if it's because people are messing

933
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:20.000
the area up or what. But we're at this one

934
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.159
space and we took about six people out and we're like,

935
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:25.559
let's go for a night walk. You see what's going on.

936
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:30.719
And this happened twice at the same location. Actually three

937
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.079
times we caught I have a picture of one of

938
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:37.119
these things, a really clear picture. It's the same thing

939
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:41.199
that Ron Moorehead saw when he was up and doing

940
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.880
the expeditions up in the Sierras, and he recorded all

941
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.320
that information. In fact, me, Ron and this guy Chris

942
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:49.639
Binden went out privately and just three of us went

943
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.559
out and sitting out in the woods having rum and

944
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.039
cokes and talking about life. And he spoke to the

945
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:57.400
idea of these bars of light that would go by,

946
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.840
almost like a lightsaber they would see fly by in

947
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:02.800
the for us. And so this one spot we went

948
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:05.519
to friend of mine. Chris put his foot down on

949
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.840
the ground in this spot, we had a gifting tree area,

950
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:11.679
left a camera there, and then in the middle of

951
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:13.480
the night, about two in the morning, this bar of

952
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.719
light flew by right in front of the camera. It's

953
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.800
got wings on both sides that are undulating on both sides,

954
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.000
and it's a square bar of light, so it's not

955
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.920
a bird, and the ferns and everything light up a

956
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:25.519
little bit move out of the way as it comes by,

957
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.280
and then they go right back in a position, not

958
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.599
back and forth and back and forth, just they almost

959
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.880
like they lifted a little bit as it went through,

960
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.880
and then they went right back into their normal position

961
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.519
the same place out there. These are two different times.

962
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.840
One time I went out with this lady, Aaron, who's

963
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.239
been on a bunch of shows and TV things and

964
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.679
movies have made a big foot and Dave Grant, we're

965
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.400
walking down the road at this place and we look

966
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:54.320
around the corner and we see the weirdest crap you

967
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:57.679
could ever see, sitting there, floating in the air, about

968
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.360
six feet off the ground. It was a blue pyramid

969
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.440
on top and a red pyramid on the bottom, and

970
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:08.559
it was about it was about six inches I think

971
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:10.800
it was about six inches total. If you were right

972
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:12.559
next to it, it'd be about six inches tall. It

973
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.519
was about the distance from us was about i'd say

974
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.639
about one hundred or one hundred and twenty feet, and

975
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.519
it was just floating. It was just hovering. It was

976
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.119
undulating up and down just a little bit, and then

977
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.679
it just went blink. I was gone, and I don't

978
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.159
know what that was. But the same place where that

979
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:33.920
bar of light and that happened took another group of

980
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:36.880
people out. We're going down the road. They kept going

981
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:38.480
down the road, and I thought, I'm going to stop

982
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.480
here because they're talking. They're being really loud. I'm going

983
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.559
to stop in one spot, turn my headlamp off. I'm

984
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:46.639
just gonna listen and see what's going on. And then

985
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.519
I hear something moving down through the brush towards me,

986
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.480
like a big sound, like a bear or something, and

987
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:53.960
so I said, hey, I can hear you, just to

988
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:57.000
let it know I was there, and it stopped dead.

989
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.599
It just froze all of a sudden, and then right

990
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.920
down the road around the corner, I thought that must

991
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.239
be the guys that their headlamps of something, and nope,

992
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.000
it was in almost the same spot. There was a

993
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.719
triangular shaped thing that was orange. It had two dots

994
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.320
on each one of the sides had two orange dots,

995
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.880
and it was floating in the air and then it

996
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.000
did the same thing, so it plink and disappeared. And

997
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.960
I can't explain that, but I do have a picture

998
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.360
of one of those things in that area, which is fascinating.

999
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:29.760
That's the only area that I've ever seen things like

1000
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.199
that where it's I've heard of lots of people seeing

1001
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.760
orbs of light all over the place, but that's the

1002
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:39.199
only spot where I've seen actually seen fairly diverse quality

1003
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:41.840
of them too, like weird shapes and things. I can't

1004
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:44.480
even imagine what that is. And I wouldn't even want

1005
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.480
to try and say what that is, because it's then

1006
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.679
I'd be making stuff up, and I don't Whenever I

1007
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.840
do this stuff and i'd tell someone what's an experiencing that,

1008
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.639
I'd say, this is what happened. I don't know what

1009
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:56.880
to say about it. I can't even tell you because

1010
00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.960
if I start really expanding on that and started saying,

1011
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.840
really what that is, it's part of the pleating and

1012
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:06.400
craft that landed, just like making stuff up at that point. Yeah,

1013
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.559
and that's that's that amongst many things that have happened

1014
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:11.920
out there. We just can't explain it, but that's what happened.

1015
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.639
So that is really interesting.

1016
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.639
You're the first person that I've been that I've talked

1017
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:20.880
to that has mentioned something about a triangular shape. That's

1018
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.840
very interesting. But like you hear all these people seeing

1019
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:29.360
things like that, and from your account to orbs in

1020
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.119
Iowa and Backbone State Park, or you've got this story

1021
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:37.119
that Adam Davies shares down in southern Oregon, and it's

1022
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.840
you put all this stuff together and it's, man, what's

1023
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:41.480
really going on here? I don't know if we'll ever

1024
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.880
really figure it out, but yes, it's really interesting.

1025
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.480
Part of the part of that mystery, part of that mystery,

1026
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:50.480
it's like maybe it's maybe that's it. It's just there

1027
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.440
for you to not figure it out, just to their

1028
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.000
experiences to allow human beings, which I really believe like

1029
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.599
eighty maybe ninety ninety five percent of people out there

1030
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:03.559
maybe a lot of your listeners too, will probably agree.

1031
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.840
You can talk to some people about bigfoot and everybody

1032
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.079
knows that, and everybody knows the word bigfoot, just about everybody.

1033
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:12.800
Ninety ninety five percent of people you talk to about

1034
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:17.159
that one have never had experience two often believe. Like

1035
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:21.760
twenty eleven, before pre twenty twelve, before I really talk

1036
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.320
to people, I was on that same level. I'm like, man,

1037
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.599
this bigfoot guy, he really gets around. See him up

1038
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.199
in Oregon. They see him in California. He must be

1039
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.760
taking an uber everywhere really fast, because this guy is

1040
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.440
really getting around and I never thought about Now it's

1041
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:39.159
more in my perspective that there's numerous clans of them.

1042
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.280
There's numerous varieties of them. There's numerous ways of them acting.

1043
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.760
Some are benevolent, some are dangerous. You don't want to

1044
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:50.440
get near certain areas where they're at. They will hurt you.

1045
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.159
They have different ways to and I'm not saying everyone

1046
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.119
should be scared of them out there, but I believe

1047
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:58.840
a majority of them will let you know when you're

1048
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:00.920
in an area you shouldn't be, and if you're paying

1049
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:04.639
attention and you really either it's body language they start

1050
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.960
throwing something. I've had one of my vehicles in this

1051
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.760
one area. It's a coveted space I go to. I

1052
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:12.480
don't drive my vehicle in there anymore because three separate

1053
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:16.079
times it's been electronically broken and I've had to spend

1054
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:19.400
fifty five hundred dollars to repair it. And my wife's like,

1055
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:21.320
anytime I go out to these space she's like, you're

1056
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:22.559
not going to go down that one spot because we

1057
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.840
can't afford one thousand dollars two thousand dollars three thousand

1058
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:28.719
dollars truck repair of the life, and I'm like, yeah,

1059
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.519
I don't, definitely, I don't want the same spot we had.

1060
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.719
Phones were going wacky. The phone batteries were going down

1061
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.119
to zero, then going back up to eighty, then going

1062
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.960
back down to fifteen percent. All the cameras we were

1063
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:44.880
using were going out. They had full batteries completely out overnight.

1064
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:49.239
Time the truck. One episode, I couldn't open my doors

1065
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:51.079
if something had leaned on the top of it and

1066
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:53.800
bent the frame so that door was all stuck. It

1067
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.320
screwed up. The other time I went out there, my

1068
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.480
starter broke. The guy who took it and looked at

1069
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.760
it that was from the shop said it's as if

1070
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.159
a pulse of energy went through it, like it's fried.

1071
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:06.199
And I kept that starter. I still have it because

1072
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.039
I'm one day I'm gonna have somebody forensically go through

1073
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:10.599
it and go what could do that? If it was

1074
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:13.480
perfectly fine before? What did that? Another time I went

1075
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.880
out there and my truck got stuck in two wheel

1076
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.440
high and it took me ten hours to drive home,

1077
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.519
one hundred and twenty miles from the spot, and my

1078
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.320
friend was like, are we ever getting home? Because we're

1079
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.280
driving home at thirty miles an hour. Yeah, you can

1080
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:29.960
tell the Bigfoots are laughing. They're like, and I don't

1081
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:31.599
even know if it's big flood like that. I can't

1082
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.280
blame it on the big Foots. It could be any

1083
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:33.960
stick people.

1084
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:38.000
So when you've gone out and done research, has it

1085
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.360
always been in the state of Washington, then.

1086
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:46.199
I the reason why I do. I have a very

1087
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.400
particular reason. I don't know if anybody out there has

1088
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:51.480
the same reasoning why they go out. I got to

1089
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:55.559
the same areas almost every time. My reasoning is I

1090
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:58.440
want them to get to know me. I want them

1091
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.320
to see me. They they never hurt me. They never

1092
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:06.239
other than damaging my vehicle, they never hurt me. I

1093
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:10.000
don't feel like I've ever been threatened. I've been out

1094
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.199
in a tent pitch black by myself, hundreds of yards

1095
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:14.960
away from my friends who were parked in a parking

1096
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.440
a lot, and have them get closer and closer, whipping

1097
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.280
branches on trees, and then tear a branch off a

1098
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:24.239
tree right next to my tent. Really loud and kind

1099
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.679
of unsettling and scary. And I have that actually posted

1100
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.280
that online for a while and maybe I'll repost that

1101
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.159
one day. I took it down at one point because

1102
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.039
I thought it was just at a point in my

1103
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:35.519
life where I'm like, how are people looking this up

1104
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:37.360
and thinking I'm crazy? Like they're going to think I

1105
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.199
just had my friends walk up and start whipping branches

1106
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.480
outside of my tent. What does that prove? But it's yeah,

1107
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:50.719
it's a big Footing is a fascinating thing, and I

1108
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:54.559
don't sometimes some of the things I've done, I wouldn't

1109
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:57.000
recommend anybody go out there and go by yourself and

1110
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.519
pitch tent and the pitch black, by yourself in the

1111
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.280
middle of no where, no one around you. I don't

1112
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.639
think it's a great idea. There are people in places

1113
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.280
in the United States in the world too broad daylight

1114
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.679
have disappeared, let alone doing that. And my wife now

1115
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.920
will say, hey, you're taking somebody with you, right, And

1116
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:17.840
I'm like, okay, all right, you know I'm saying if

1117
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:19.559
I'm a big guy's going to take me. But other

1118
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.000
people the same things that said the same thing disappeared. Yeah,

1119
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:24.519
I don't know if I followed your question right there too.

1120
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.360
No I think that's good, and so I'm definitely going

1121
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.000
to link your channel in the show notes for this

1122
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.400
so people can check it out. I would Yeah, if

1123
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:35.039
you're thinking about maybe posting that video again, I might

1124
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:39.599
recommend it if for the only reason that maybe someone

1125
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.719
else has experienced the same thing, and if they see that,

1126
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:44.920
they could be like, oh, maybe I'm not crazy.

1127
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.440
I don't know, but to you, of course.

1128
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:50.599
But bigfooting is a fascinating thing. It's one of those

1129
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.559
I've always felt pretty privileged. Oh and here, let me

1130
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:56.000
get back on track. I remember the reason why this

1131
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:58.119
is my specific thing, why I don't do this. So

1132
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.480
when I go out in bigfoot sorry, I got there.

1133
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.760
I'm going to truck. Actually, I have to let you know.

1134
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:04.320
I'm in a truck and there's cars going by occasionally

1135
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.320
I'm having to see and do things while I'm talking

1136
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.119
to you. So the point of me going out to

1137
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:12.320
these areas that are really common for me and I

1138
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.400
don't go to other states and everything else is I'm

1139
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:18.960
not really interested in going to experience bigfoots everywhere and

1140
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.840
all over the place. My point that I have that

1141
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.480
I've always been really interested in is part of my

1142
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.039
history is I've done reiki for many years, and seventeen

1143
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:30.760
years old, I had been a healer in various ways

1144
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:32.719
for a long time. I've really been into that. I'm

1145
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.519
still really really into that. I use it to heal

1146
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.719
myself if I get injured family members and friends and

1147
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.320
whatever else. But that being said, I believe that the

1148
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:46.199
Sasquatches have just like the Native Americans do. Each clan

1149
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:49.679
has its shamanic person. Each clan has one or two

1150
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.199
that are like the leaders. They really listen to these ones.

1151
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.280
Each clan has some motherly types that are like like

1152
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:58.760
the mother Teresa's of the clan, that are like the

1153
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:03.000
female ones that really listen to. There are the patriarchs

1154
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:06.199
and matriarchs of the clan specifically, though, because I've been

1155
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.800
very interested in healing a long time, I'm really interested

1156
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.679
in slowly gaining the trust of these groupings of them.

1157
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.480
And I would say I've had a particularly large amount

1158
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.440
of experiences in these areas, maybe more than somebody who

1159
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.199
shows up and has not been seen by them. Right.

1160
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.519
But I'm always thinking how fascinating it would be to

1161
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.239
have the one that is like the shamanic one, or

1162
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:34.239
the medicine one, the medicine man for them to show

1163
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.360
up and interact with you. Heck, I'd even be at

1164
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.039
this point in my life interested in just seeing one

1165
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.119
fully completely, even though it would still I think it

1166
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.960
can still be terrifying. But that's my personal perspective. Is

1167
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:48.679
to gain the trust of the clans that are in

1168
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.800
the area. The clans up by Klalan in those areas

1169
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:56.280
are not called Their actual name is the Siotic. The

1170
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:58.960
Native Americans, the the cod tribe and everything know them

1171
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.440
as the Siotic. They're a tribe of people, and so

1172
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:05.039
I'm more interested in gaining the trust of the Seotech

1173
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:08.440
then than going everywhere and doing expeditions and proving they

1174
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.760
exist here, improving and seeing a different variety down here,

1175
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:13.280
and going to California and so forth, and meeting everybody

1176
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.840
who knows everything about Bigfoot. Just that's my perspective. But

1177
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:18.719
I'm sure those other people out there have met many people.

1178
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:20.599
They want to go to every expedition they can. They

1179
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:22.159
want to meet everybody, they want to go to all

1180
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.440
the forums that they do. My friends are just at

1181
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:25.920
they want to do. They want to meet everybody. They

1182
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.599
want to hear the crazy stories of people with these

1183
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.320
unusual weird abilities and the bigfoots that are in their

1184
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:35.519
living room every night like super entertaining, and I think

1185
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.679
it's entertaining. I go to these things sometimes and I

1186
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.519
just want to. It's like sometimes for me, it's like

1187
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:42.920
going to a circus. People talk about having a baby

1188
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:44.559
big foot in their house and they're taking care of it,

1189
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:46.480
and we're like, oh, can we see the Bigfoot. They're like, oh, no,

1190
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:49.840
doesn't like to talk to people. Like, Okay, that's it's it.

1191
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:51.639
Maybe they really do. I don't know you. I'm not

1192
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.719
putting them down and saying they don't. But it's fascinating

1193
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:57.679
to me that there's so many stories.

1194
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:58.119
There are, and.

1195
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.280
Just you alluded to it where when you were talking

1196
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:09.639
how it was almost like you forgot how that different

1197
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.039
Bigfoot events happened in the same year. Bigfoot Society will

1198
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:31.280
be right back after these messages, and I think I

1199
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:35.280
can understand that because this just this last year, I've

1200
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.119
had a lot happen. Is once you start going out

1201
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:41.559
there into areas like I guess it could be anywhere

1202
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:47.239
Iowa or Oregon, your life gets very intense and you

1203
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.920
start to forget how much can happen within a year.

1204
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:57.440
But I've seen stuff happen where I don't discount anything.

1205
01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.920
I give everything a chance. And maybe that's me being

1206
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.159
I'm not smart, but I've seen weird stuff already. Dude,

1207
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.400
I'm only into this like a few years. Are there

1208
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.039
any people that you would recommend trying to talk to

1209
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:13.039
you that have things to share but they just never

1210
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:13.880
really get talked to.

1211
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.599
Most of the people that I used to go out

1212
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:24.079
with I don't anymore. And I don't want to give

1213
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:27.840
any reasoning why bad mouth talk about friendships come or

1214
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.559
friendships that have gone, or anything like this. It's mostly

1215
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:33.760
personal choice. I've just got a busy life in other ways,

1216
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.800
other things to do. I'm raising teenage daughters. I've just

1217
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.360
got a different life. There was a phase where I

1218
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:43.239
really wanted to associate with all of them and be

1219
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:44.880
on the phone with them once a week. Okay, what's

1220
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:48.159
happening now, where's the activity? Tell me everything? When you

1221
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:51.000
went out again? Okay, let's meet the spot. It was

1222
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.000
just a phase I went through where I really want

1223
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:54.960
to do that I learned enough, and that I learned

1224
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.840
enough to take that to the mountains by myself or

1225
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.360
with a couple of buddies and I can just out

1226
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.400
with I don't have to follow some of the rules

1227
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.719
are a little bit stringent. They they're out there too.

1228
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.039
They want to be scientific about it and they want

1229
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.639
to prove they exist. And I don't have to prove

1230
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:13.559
they exist to myself or anybody. If somebody says they

1231
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:16.519
don't exist, I'll say, oh, have you gone out and

1232
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:19.239
tried to have experiences? Like, oh no, but I've read online.

1233
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.639
I'll be like, Okay, that's somebody's that's their perspective, and

1234
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.480
that's perfectly fine. Mine is. I like to go out

1235
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:26.800
with my buddies. I like to have a couple of

1236
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.639
beers and laugh around a campfire. We hear a weird sound,

1237
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:32.760
Just take that to note there's a weird sound happening

1238
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:35.079
if something pushes your tent in or you know, we

1239
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:37.719
put recording devices out and we put a camera here

1240
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:39.960
and there away from our campsite to see if anything

1241
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:43.000
walks by it. You know. But I don't really I

1242
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.960
can't really recommend anybody in particular that you should call

1243
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:49.920
up I. You know, I have Ron Moorehead's cell phone,

1244
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:56.039
but I'm not given that and I wrong be too happy. Yeah, Yeah,

1245
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.000
he's a really cool guy. Yeah, if anybody so the listeners,

1246
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:00.920
if anybody finds his or if you're the person who

1247
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.559
took his hat, get it back to wrong man. That's

1248
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:02.920
not cool.

1249
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:05.360
Oh he lost his hat, Oh dear.

1250
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:07.960
Someone stole Like let's get ended up at a Bigfoot

1251
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:09.960
museum one of these days. And it's just that it

1252
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:12.239
was his hat, like he had that a long time.

1253
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:13.079
That sucks.

1254
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:16.199
But yeah, I know, but yeah, I can't really, And

1255
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:19.880
the only reason I can't is that I think if

1256
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:24.039
you really want to learn about Bigfoot, first, I think

1257
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:26.639
a really good book to read, and I've talked to

1258
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:29.519
I think is what's his name, Jim, he's the guy

1259
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:33.559
who has He's from Ohio, I think, or where is

1260
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.480
it he's from. He's Meldrim, Jeff Meldrim.

1261
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:37.519
Oh yeah, doctor Meldrim.

1262
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.239
Yeah, he has a doctor Meldrim. I've talked to him

1263
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.320
before and showed him footprints. Really nice guy, fairly open

1264
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:46.280
to things, and he's got a really good book up

1265
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:48.840
that I read cover and cover. I was like, Wow,

1266
01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:52.840
that's a good read. Do that. Go out with your friends,

1267
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.599
have experiences, and pretty soon you're going to have an

1268
01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:58.199
experience with them and you will be just like those

1269
01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:01.440
people that you would normally say, hey, I have some questions,

1270
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.039
because those same people that go out all the time

1271
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.599
when they say I know everything, I'm a master at this,

1272
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.559
I've learned everything there is. They see a bigfoot every day,

1273
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:13.360
I don't to me, And I'm not calling anybody out

1274
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:14.960
of I'm just saying there are people that say that,

1275
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.599
I don't think that seems too real to me, and

1276
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.840
again keeping an open mind, maybe that's really happening to them.

1277
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:25.639
Maybe they are experiencing these things like that. But eventually,

1278
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:27.960
if you go out enough, you're going to be like

1279
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:31.159
somebody like me who like you're interviewing, or somebody else

1280
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:32.840
said I might meet and they're like, hey, tell me

1281
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.239
a bigfoot experience, or give me some pointers on bigfoot

1282
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:38.480
or what where else. You'll be just like those people

1283
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.199
because you'll have gone out enough times for enough years

1284
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:45.159
and had enough experiences over enough seasons with enough friends,

1285
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:48.039
and have enough I have so much audio now that

1286
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:50.599
I've literally I don't even listen to it anymore. I

1287
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.559
just what am I gonna do with it? I hear

1288
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:55.960
a grunt or hear something wack a try, and I'm like, yeah,

1289
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.559
there's one again, oh that's great. I have better things

1290
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.199
to do with my life. They are more important. It's

1291
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:04.239
just not as interesting. And again that comes on to

1292
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:06.639
the level of provability then you're having to do. My

1293
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:08.719
friends will say, hey, listen to this, isn't that cool,

1294
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:11.119
And they'll be like, wow, that's really cool, and you

1295
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:14.639
recorded something and that's a really interesting thing. But trying

1296
01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.920
to prove it to other people. If somebody hears one

1297
01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:20.000
of my videos i've put out, Like I just put

1298
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:22.800
one out. It was as short I put out. Literally

1299
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:25.320
something jumped in the river right next to where I

1300
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:27.800
was standing, or the campfire going in my tent, and

1301
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:29.639
I was just explaining. I was like whoa, And I

1302
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.199
went out there and only bit the next day. Couldn't

1303
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:34.119
have been a branch, wasn't a rock, no cliff there,

1304
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:37.440
couldn't find ay footprints, but something big jumped in People

1305
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:39.760
found it interesting, and hundreds of people looked at that

1306
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.920
video because they're like, oh, bigfoot jumps in the water

1307
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:44.559
kind of thing. Way more important to do stuff like

1308
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.199
that than to go up to somebody or well, I'm

1309
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:48.840
not saying don't go up to somebody ask questions, but

1310
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:52.159
I think you get more out of doing that then

1311
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:54.880
when you go up to some person, because that person

1312
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.960
is going to have a perspective, and that perspective might

1313
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.320
be I'm going to allow rate on these things at

1314
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:05.239
the point where you know, I've had people and I

1315
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:07.280
won't say again, not trying to put anybody now, but

1316
01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:09.880
I'll say that where I've heard stories of people where

1317
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:11.360
they're like, yeah, I just I sit down with the

1318
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:13.480
Bigfoot anytime I want. He's in my backyard and we

1319
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:16.679
have some questions, we ask him, and he else everything.

1320
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:21.280
And it's better to have your own experience where you're like,

1321
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:23.880
is that possible? Really? If you go out for like

1322
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.199
over a decade, does that ever happen? Whatever happens when

1323
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:31.039
you see one, they often want to get away from you.

1324
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:33.199
They don't want to have a conversation with you. They

1325
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:34.960
don't want to tell you what happened to him that day.

1326
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.000
It's seemingly that seems like what's going on. And I

1327
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.719
can't say that's right for everybody. It's some people might

1328
01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:43.559
say I don't have the gall I don't have the

1329
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:47.639
lower body parts to go out put myself in the

1330
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:50.440
woods and see what happens in the pitch black I

1331
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:51.840
don't even have friends that want to do I don't

1332
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:53.280
have the camping here, and so I think that's when

1333
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.280
you and I are doing this, we're giving somebody something

1334
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.880
to listen to where they do get to have an experience.

1335
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:03.119
They can feel the fear in somebody's voice, they can

1336
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.960
hear the story, they can get understanding what it's like

1337
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:09.079
to actually do these things, and do it in areas

1338
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:11.320
that are remote as I mean there is or you

1339
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:13.000
have to know where you're going. You can get lost

1340
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:14.639
on some of these roads that are way out there

1341
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.719
in the middle of nowhere. There if your car breaks down,

1342
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:20.039
no one's showing up for you because you're way far

1343
01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:22.559
out in the middle of nowhere, and things like this,

1344
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:26.480
and yeah, just fascinating to cap that off. If you

1345
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:29.360
can find somebody one of these things expeditions or something,

1346
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:30.880
I think it's just so much fun to talk to

1347
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.599
somebody about what experiences have you had, what's happened, what's

1348
01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:36.559
going on, And that can be a very fascinating rabbit hole.

1349
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.480
Absolutely, you can definitely learn a lot and apply to

1350
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:43.280
a lot of things that you may want to do

1351
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.760
or may not want to do to your own big footing.

1352
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:50.880
But Gee, it has been such a fascinating conversation with you.

1353
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:53.280
You've shared so much and I just want to say

1354
01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:56.159
thank you for coming on the show today and remind

1355
01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:00.199
people again that we will have the link to your

1356
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.920
YouTube channel down the show notes, so everyone go over there,

1357
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:06.800
check stuff out, subscribe all that good stuff.

1358
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:08.760
That sounds fantastic, and Jeremi, one of these days we'll

1359
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:10.519
have to physically meet. If you want to come up

1360
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:12.519
this season, I'd love to have you on the expedition

1361
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:15.039
out to the place out by Mount Saint Helens and

1362
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:17.880
Mount Adams where we did have experiences before and see

1363
01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:19.600
if something happens. So just give me a ring when

1364
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:19.960
you want.

1365
01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:24.800
Absolutely, thanks again, Gee.

1366
01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:24.359
Okay cures.

1367
01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:27.720
Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a

1368
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:31.960
platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their

1369
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:35.880
encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need

1370
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:39.199
to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you

1371
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:44.520
just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot

1372
01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:48.640
Society at gmail dot com then we can start the conversation.

1373
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:52.479
I know a lot of you have not shared your

1374
01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:57.000
encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time

1375
01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:59.680
that you get this off your chest and then you

1376
01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:02.000
can get some well deserved for rest, because I know

1377
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.880
you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through,

1378
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:07.640
and I appreciate every one.

1379
01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:12.279
Of you listening Bigfoot Society podcasts, hosted by our Captain

1380
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:17.920
Jeremiah Byron, where it's all Bigfoot, all the time. Have

1381
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.279
you ever had the urge to do more? To be more?

1382
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:22.079
Now?

1383
01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:26.600
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1384
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1385
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1386
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:37.159
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1387
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:42.039
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1389
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1390
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:55.119
These are all in Oregon, by the way, Oakridge, Dexter

1391
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:59.680
Fall Creek, to Shoot National Forest Area, Cultist Lake, Spirit Lake,

1392
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.800
Subtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area, the area

1393
01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:09.319
west of Createrlake, east of two thirty West Diamond Lake Highway,

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and north of sixty two Creater Lake Highway. Please take

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Wherever you can.

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If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following,

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or know someone who has, please reach out to me

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at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on

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Here's the list.

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If you've had any encounters in Oregon, which I'm sure

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there's probably a few of you out there, please feel

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free to reach out immediately. You can use email Bigfoot

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A special thank.

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You to all the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube channel members.

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It's your support that helps keep the show going and

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I extremely appreciate it. If you want to join in

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forward slash the Bigfoot Society. I'll see you there, and again,

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thanks for listening.