July 15, 2025

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Originally published on 5/10/24 as Episode 428. What happens when a seasoned outdoorsman takes his son deep into the forests of Eastern Oregon — and something begins screaming in the darkness? In this spine-tingling episode of Bigfoot Society, host...

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Season 1

Originally published on 5/10/24 as Episode 428.

What happens when a seasoned outdoorsman takes his son deep into the forests of Eastern Oregon — and something begins screaming in the darkness? In this spine-tingling episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Dee, a listener from Wallowa County, who shares not one but two chilling encounters with Sasquatch. First, a late-night hunting trip in 1997 turns terrifying when screams echo through the canyons and a towering figure parts the trees. Then, ten years later, strange footsteps circle Dee’s tent — followed by a giant finger pressing into the nylon under moonlight. With eerie details like massive handprints, silent forests, and a scream that sent shivers down their spines, Dee’s story is one you won’t forget. You’ll also hear how his son — once scared into silence — grew up to become a fearless bushcrafter on a mission of his own. This is more than just a Bigfoot sighting. It’s a legacy passed between generations — and a mystery that still lingers in the shadows of Oregon’s wildest forests.

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You're listening to Big Fort Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's story isn't from a researcher or a cryptid chaser.

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It's from a father in the night. He tried to

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pass on his love of the outdoors to his son,

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But deep in the forest of northeast Oregon, something else

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was waiting. Screams that shook their bones in a shadow

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behind the trees, and hands, massive gnarled hands, pulling branches

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apart to stare directly at them. What's started as a

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quiet hunting trip became a knight neither would ever forget.

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This is the story of d in the Bigfoot that

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watched from the dark. So stay with us, all right,

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Big Fast Society. We've got the privilege of talking to

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D tonight. D's a listener from the great State of Oregon,

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and he has a few encounters to share. But how's

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it going, tonight.

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D Going real good?

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Jeremiah awesome. I'm excited to hear. I've heard a little

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bit about what you've experienced, but you know, I'm going

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to go ahead and give it right over to you.

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I feel free to share what you'd like about what

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you experienced.

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Sure. Well, I'd like to start out and give a

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little background. I grew up in eastern Oregon and I

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was out in the woods a lot, and my grandpa

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was a logger and he I hunted and fished with him,

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and he took me everywhere out in the woods. And

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with the experiences I had there, you know, at that time,

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very little known about Bigfoot, but never experienced anything. I've

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been around bears, cougars, you name it. I've had cougars

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within five feet of me. I've heard him scream. Bears

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have been even closer. So going into the story, I

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wanted to bring the same thing to my kids. And

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I had my son, and he took him everywhere with me,

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and we were out in the woods a lot, getting wood,

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we were hunting, fishing, and this one time him and

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I we're going to head out hunting. My brother, oldest brother,

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was going to bring his fifth wheel up in the

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woods and we were going to use it. Well, my

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son and I decided to go early, so we went

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a day early and we were just going to wait

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for my brother. Now I've been out in the woods before,

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I've camped, I've dry camped, I've had tins I've slept

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in pickups and everything else, so it was nothing unusual

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if brother didn't show up or just stay out in

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the woods. Well, we got up there, started getting dark.

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We were up above a lawa and I told me, oh,

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let's stop. Let's build us a fire and get something

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to eat. And at the time, my son was pretty

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close to ten years old. He hadn't quite he was

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nine nine and a month ago, or nine years and

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a month to go. And so we sat down. We

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found a spot. It was a winde a road and

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we pulled up in this clearing and we just kind

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of parked and lit us a fire and got up

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some stuff to eat, and we were eating in the forest. Now,

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what was weird when we were there.

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We had our fire going, but it was just completely quiet.

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The minute the sun.

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Went down, not a sound. And to me that was

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strange because I hadn't encountered much of anything like that.

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Usually you hear something, crickets or something, you just hear something.

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It's just not that quiet. So we ate and we

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were talking, and you know, the son kept asking me,

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is uncle David get to show up? And I said, well,

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he'll show up when he gets here. It's no big deal.

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And we talked for a couple hours just by the fire,

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chatting well about nine thirty at a distance. Now, if

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I had to gas, i'd hate the gas because there's

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lots of draws around there in canyons, and something can

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sound far away and it's not far away, or you

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hear it and it sounds like it's close, but it's

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far away. It's just the way that the sound echoes

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through those draws. And we heard something, a scream, and

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I'll tell you once I heard a big foot screen

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and I said, that was it. That was it? Just,

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oh my goodness, loud but far away. My son looks

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up at me with these big eyes. He says, Dad,

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what is that? Ah? I said, don't worry about it,

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just I don't know animal holler and no big deal. Now,

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if you kind of looked inside of me, you would

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have seen me going, oh man, what is that? This is?

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This is awesome and scary at the same time because

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you don't know what it is. I mean, it's pure

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darkness around us. So he kind of he guys, says, well,

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I said, this is far away anyway, don't worry about it.

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It's no big deal. So we were we were talking

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some more, and it was pretty close. And the reason

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I know the times is I was waiting for my brother,

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so I kept looking at my watch. But about a

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half hour or two an hour later, somewhere in there,

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another scream came and it was just absolutely positive, the

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same screen as the bigfoot ones I've heard. And I

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was just and he looked at me this time and

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he says, Dad, this is scaring me.

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I said, don't worry about it.

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We're fine.

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I mean, there's nothing out here going.

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To get us. And of course inside and I was saying,

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let's getting closer, and my first thought was let's get

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out of there. You know, just something inside me just

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didn't want to stay.

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And I thought, now.

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We got it, gotta we just gotta stay here because

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I want to meet my brother up there.

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And it was eleven thirty. Because I looked at my watch.

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It was eleven thirty and that thing was right across

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the road and it screamed. And right now, even talking

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about it, I get chills up my back. It was horrendous.

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And my son jumped out up and he almost started crying.

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He wanted to get in the truck.

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I says, well, let's get in the truck and we'll

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drive down to town. And you could hear it rustling

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in the brush a little bit, not real loud, but rustling.

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But that screen, Like I said, I've been around cougar

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screens and never ever have I had chills up my

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spine like that. And it was so loud. So we

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got in the truck and I started up the truck.

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And we made a.

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Loop around to get turned around to go out the road. Well,

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the trees weren't that far away from the road, if

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I had to say, it was about fifty yards.

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But we turned.

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Around and when our headlights came across that there was

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hands and the top of a head looking through a

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couple of the trees. It was just I stopped for

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a second look just because I'm not seeing this am

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I and my son just looked at me. He says, Dad,

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let's get out of here. That thing's huge. You saw

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the hands, and they had two trees split apart, two

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smaller trees. They were pretty close to when I stood

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under them, because we went up the next day, but

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I stood on a river's about I was not even halfway,

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so they were probably ten ten to eleven feet tall.

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He had them spread apart was looking through them.

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And then when we sat there for a few minutes,

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the hands went back and the trees were swaying, and

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we got out of there. And at first I wanted

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to stay. I wanted to see more, but then I

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thought for the safety my son. That's you know, I

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got to protect the kids more than anything. And when

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it comes to wild animals, you don't really know what

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they're going to do.

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I don't trust them.

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Don't trust wild animals whatsoever, because they could be really good,

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but then they can turn on you. So anyway, he

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saw that my son had tears in his eyes because

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he he was just I think he was going into

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shock myself. And we got down to town and down

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into the town and pulled off somewhere, and you know,

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neither one of us slept that night to wake up

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the next morning to go hunting. And my brother finally

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made it up and we went back up in the

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woods where we were camped. And like I said, I

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walked across the road and stood by those trees that

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were right next to the road, and I was a

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midget to those trees, and when I looked, I looked

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up to see how high they were. That the thing

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had to be nine to ten feet tall, if not

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a little taller, and started scouring for tracks, and there's.

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There was.

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The ground was real hard, but the tall grass. The

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only thing you could see was the pathway to where

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it came in. And I took my son with me

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and we tracked it. We tracked the walking as far

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as we could. And I'm no amateur tracking. I'm not

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an expert, but I've tracked a lot of game. And

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we actually followed it to where it went up over

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the hill and then went down into this draw.

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And we never found there was never a good track.

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Like I said, the ground was pretty hard, but you

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can see the grass being laid over. And the only

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reason I say I know it was it was a

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bakefoot was because the grass that was laid over was

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huge compared to my foot. I tried to show my son.

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I said, see you put your foot down, and he says, well, yeah,

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but yours is only half of what that one is.

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I said, that's what I'm saying.

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I know what we saw and I know what we

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were following, and we tracked it down as far as

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I wanted to go because it got real thick.

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And steep, and you could you could.

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See through the brush where the grass was, where it

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was laid down, and you could see it where it

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went down into the draw. Well. The biggest thing about

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this was number one, I wasn't looking for bigfoot, and

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number two is it was the least expected thing I

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would ever see.

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There was we weren't. We weren't.

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I wasn't prepared to see it as far as like

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we're out hutting bigfoot. We were out deer hunting, are

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going to be deer hunting the next day or two.

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And I think that's what surprised me the most. And

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in the area that we saw it in, what was

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it doing there?

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There's there's so many people out in the woods at

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that time, and it was just just a strange occurrence.

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And I know that I'll never forget it. That's that's exactly,

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never forget it. That was the hands. I saw the fingers.

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I didn't see thumbs. I just saw the fingers holding

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the trees back was looking through them, and the hands

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were just huge, were dark colored that had wrinkles on

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the knuckles, just like a human, and the top of

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the head was covered with hair. It was just hairy

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in it. Oh, and the thing was just I can't

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imagine how tall it was because it had to be

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ten to eleven feet tall. And I was just I

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was shook up, I think just as much as my son.

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But I wasn't showing him.

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I didn't want it.

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I didn't want him scared of the woods is the

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main thing. And that's the last thing I wanted him

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to be scared to go out in the woods. But

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we followed it. I looked for tracks, couldn't find anything.

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Nothing track to where you could do it, any casts

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or anything. But it had a big stride. Now, this

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is like I said with the grass lad over. It

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was just almost three strides of buying, which my stride

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is exactly three feet, and so his stride was about

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six foot five foot six foot strides. And that was

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that was always saw the all time we were up there,

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because I was hoping to see it again but never did.

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So we're in northeast Oregon. And did you say north

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of Wallawa.

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Willawa, Willaway, the city of Willawa.

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Yeah, is this like a wildlife area or a state

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park or no.

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There's a lot of Federal Force service up there, and

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it used to be a lot of it owned by

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Boise Cascade, but I think they sold it to a

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land company, Hancock or something.

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But it's it's mainly you know, public.

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Anybody in the public can get up in it.

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Yeah, gotcha, Scott and the patren He's got a question,

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and it's a good one. What was your relation to

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the concept of Bigfoot? Were you a Bigfoot believer before

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this event happened?

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I think they'd put it this way. I was and wasn't, okay.

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I got an open mind, always did. And I first

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remember my grandpa having a some type of wildlife magazine

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where they had the film from Gosh, I can't think

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of it now, or they had a picture from the

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Patterson Giblin film about Bigfoot. Well I read the article,

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but I looked at my grandpa and says, hey, Grandpa,

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what do you think about Bigfoot? Very go Bigfoot? That's

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all he said. But then I started learning more about

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it as I went along, and even back then they

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didn't have much on it. There was a few books

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out there, and of course I went to the library

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and got a few books and read about it. But

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the way I looked at it was. You know, I

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got an open mind, but until I see it, I'm

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not going to believe it. Fully I saw it, I

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believe it. So I wasn't a full believer, but I

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wasn't a total skeptic either.

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If that makes sense, Yeah, no, it definitely does. And

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this wasn't like you and your son were like, Okay,

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we're going on a big foot hunt. Like you were

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just trying to get out and enjoy nature. And this

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just happened to happen.

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And that's the whole thing about it. And that's why

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I think sometimes when would anybody, whether it be me

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or anybody else, Sometimes I think when we go out

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looking for bigfoot, I don't think you're.

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Gonna I've not seen one go out there looking for it.

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All might have happened when I'm not out there bigfoot, honey,

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I'm just out in the woods enjoying some time. And

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that was the that's the thing that got me the most,

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because I this wooded area I'm talking about.

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I started hunting and get in the wood.

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With my grandpa when I was eight years old, and

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I'd been through all those woods with him. He logged

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them all. So he took me everywhere up in there,

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all over. There wasn't a bit of that country I

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didn't see. And I figured, well, it's too close to

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a town. You know, it's probably thirty miles to the

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nearest town out of the woods, but you know it's

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kind of close to town, so you never see a

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big foot out here, you know. It was kind of

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my shot growing up, and as he had started hunting

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at eight years old with my grandpa, and he's put

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me out on walks and said, walk down this hill

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and I'll meet you down at the road, you know

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type thing where nowadays I wouldn't have let my kids

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do it because I'd be too scared to get But

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it was not it was not the perfect setting to

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go find Bigfoot. We weren't thirty miles or forty miles

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back in the wilderness where nobody goes. This is this

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is where where people are, which really had me just

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just had me amazed at the at the chance I

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had to see it.

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Oh absolutely, Man, Do I think there's a chance your

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grandpa probably saw something at one time or another. I

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just have a feeling, but that I've got, you know,

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I'm just kind of kind of guessing.

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Well, I'm thinking he started logging out in those wood

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out the woods in nineteen thirty and got his own

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log in company in forty one and sold out in

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sixty nine. I believe he was doing what I was

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doing to myself, and he was wanting to not make

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me scared to go out in the woods.

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He knew, if you know, he knew if.

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I told him, yeah, there's bigfoot out there, they're big,

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you'd never know what's gonna happen.

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Blah blah blah.

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You know, at eight years old or so, I would

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have been scared to go out in the woods. I'm

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just scared to death.

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Yeah, he probably you know, he probably was doing something

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like that. Yeah, I could definitely see that. But what

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year again was this that you and your son had

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the experience.

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It was nineteen ninety ninety seven.

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Okay, Thinking back to when you saw the head and

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the fingers, did you get a chance to see like

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what kind of the shape of the head was at all,

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or do you remember anything that you saw about the

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head for details.

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The head part I saw was just covered with hair.

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If I remember, I had had a little bit of

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a code shape, but it wasn't prominent. You know it

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wasn't like a pyramid sitting on somebody's head, but it

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was raised a little bit. But I, like I said,

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with the hands, I was concentrating on the hands because

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I could see them just clear's day. I mean, they

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were wrapped around the tree, pulling, pulling these two small

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trees apart.

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And I know it was looking over.

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Him, but I just caught it when I came around

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with the lights and stopped to where he had enough

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time to put it up over his face.

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But yeah, I did. I didn't really.

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I saw the hair and it looked like maybe a

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code shape, but I was looking at the hands because

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they were just right out there in the open more

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or less.

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The screams you said, you've heard this. You heard the

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screams a few times. Are those can you describe? You know,

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there's a few different you know, we hear the bigfoot

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sound on the different types of media, there's different types.

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Is there any way you can kind of describe maybe

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what type of scream or is like ohio howl or

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anything like that.

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Well, I'm trying to think it kind of mimicked some

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of this. There's a couple sounds on I think finding

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Bigfoot that they had tapes of that were were really close,

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not exact, but it was the low tone or it

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was high.

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Then low, and then kind of low high again. It

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was just kind of a But it was the duration.

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That killed me, because usually Kyle, you know, they'll they'll

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how well, it's a few seconds. This seemed like it

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was for about eight to ten seconds, and it was.

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It was a loud scream, loud, and.

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It didn't and it wasn't like a cougar scream either,

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and I've heard them plenty of times and it was

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nothing even close. Too short of a call of cougar

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is too short of a call to match this. All

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I know is when it got across the road and

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it screamed, every hair on my body stood up.

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It didn't shake you, but you are physically shaky of.

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Just hearing that scream that close. It was awesome, and

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now I think it's awesome. Back then I was scared

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to death.

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But your son is around thirty five right now. I think,

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if I do the master, how did this affect him

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later in life as an adult?

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If it did, you know what it hasn't. He does

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bushcraft survival things. You'll go out in the woods and

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with his knife and a hatchet sometimes and just stay

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for three or four days out in the woods, just

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living off the land and what's there. It didn't affecting

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in a way. In fact, I think it made it

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the other way. Now he's not afraid and he wants

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to find it type thing.

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So it actually did good instead of bad.

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That is extremely interesting. So I'd guess he's probably out

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in Oregon doing his thing, bushcrafting out there.

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Yeah, he lives in the southern part of Oregon, southwest. Yeah,

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he's actually I had actually you know now that I

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never thought of it that way, but it's kind of

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with the opposite way, and he's he's not afraid of anything.

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He just he just wants to see it again. He

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just off I see you to see it, Dad, I says, yeah,

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we all will hopefully some day again.

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But that's really really interesting. If he ever does have

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any encounters, you know, keep me in mind for sure. Sure,

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now I will. I'll let you continue with what happens next,

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which the listeners are probably like, Okay, what happens next?

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Yeah? And this was this was this was awesome. I

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mean you know that it's the few occasions I've had that.

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This was this was incredible, and I was thrilled. But

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now jump forward to two thousand and seven. We were

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we decided a wife wanted to take up some hunting,

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so I took her up.

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There to go hunt.

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Then. So we get up there, pitch her tent and

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get all camps set up, and we have a we

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have a cabin tent that's ten by twelve and it's

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seven and a half feet tall.

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So we could stood up. We could stand up in

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our tents and everything. So it's just.

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Her and I and the dogs. So we had I

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think five dogs at that time, four dogs at that time,

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and they were four chuahwas believe it or not, and

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we were We got up there the first night and

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like I said, it was again quiet. It was just

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the forest was too quiet. No coyotes do nothing. Kind

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of strange, but oh well, we just went out our way.

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The first night was just nothing, doesn't happened. Second night,

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nothing happened. And then the third night it was quiet again,

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and we got done with the fire, got done with dinner, and.

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We decided it, well it's time to go to bed.

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And it was supposed to rain that night, so we

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took a tarp and laid it over half the tent

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on the backside and halfway over the front, so that

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we could still get out the.

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Front of the tent without vesting with the tarp.

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Well, the wind blewed it blew the tarp off the tent,

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of course, And this was later. I was getting ready

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for bed, so I said, oh, well, if it rains,

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I guess we'll hope the tips waterproof whatever. I'm tired.

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But we were sitting there and I was getting ready

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for bed and on the tarp, you've heard a footstep

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and the tarp crinkled and then crinkled again, and I'm

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going I looked at my wife, said, should be real quiet,

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something out there. She goes, oh, it's probably someone just

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messing hers. It's the cows, because there were some cows

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around camp. And I says, if a cow was stepping

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on that tarp, you'd hear all four legs, you'd hear

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all four feet. I've been worked on a cow rance

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for a while and you can hear cows covin. I

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know their steps. This is not a cow. So just

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sat real quiet, and it kept coming around. They kept

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coming around the side of the tent real slow, but

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you could hear it. She my wife says, this is

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a bear, and I says, no, it's not a bear,

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this is this is something else.

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So I just sat.

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There and as I was listening, it made its way

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around to the front of the tent, which was kind

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of strange, and I thought, well, my first thought was

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maybe someone's.

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Out there bested with us. And I just stayed there

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and watched. Uh. I did have.

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A shotgut in the tent with me, and I thought, well,

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I'll just wait and see what's going on. And it

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kind of was like those creep show was like, maybe

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what's going to happen next?

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What's going on? Because you heard it walk all the

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way around in the front.

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Of the tent, and all of a sudden, up on

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clear of the top of the tent, not far from

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the center, probably maybe six to eight inches from the center,

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you see a finger scratching the tent, like the feeling it.

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And you could see the figure through you know, not

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through the tent, but the way the tent folds, you

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know with tents that nylon, and it was scratched the

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tent like feeling something or something. And I looked at

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my wife. I says, well, enough's enough, and I think

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I racked the shotgun and I heard it run off.

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So why, I says, well, somebody's messing. I says, you

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saw that, and she goes, yeah, I did.

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And I said that was a finger because it pushed

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down on the tent and rubbing it, like scratching it

465
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:45.240
with its fingernail.

466
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.240
And she says that, yeah, I did.

467
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:49.119
I saw it.

468
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:50.759
No big deal.

469
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:52.880
I says, no, that was bigfoot and she says, no,

470
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.039
it wasn't. I says, yeah, it was, because we'd seen

471
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.799
him up here before. And I says that was him,

472
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.240
and she goes, how, I don't think so. So the

473
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.440
next morning, oh, we went. We went out hunting that morning,

474
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:11.039
but came back early, and of course I went looking

475
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:16.599
for tracks, and I could find some. It was dusty

476
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.440
where we were at. I could see some dust spurred up,

477
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.839
but I couldn't really make out nothing but maybe a

478
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:27.400
heel track being a heel part of the heel. So

479
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.119
then I thought, okay, I've got to try this.

480
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:33.559
I went over to the tent.

481
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.799
And if that was somebody's finger, they had to be

482
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:45.359
pretty tall because I'm only five nine five to ten

483
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.680
and I couldn't even hardly reach up over the well.

484
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.759
I could just reach over the edge of the tent. Okay,

485
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.079
that's far from the head. Now this sks ten foot

486
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.000
ten foot at length that tent is and it was

487
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:04.000
reaching halfway over six seven foot high, six foot over.

488
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.839
And I started.

489
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.319
I grabbed a stick and I said, now you get

490
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.039
in the tent, you look up. So I took a stick,

491
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:15.440
put it down on there and moved it. She goes,

492
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.640
that's not even close to what it was. And so

493
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.079
I tried different things to see, if you know, if

494
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:28.240
I was being best with and I couldn't. I couldn't

495
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:34.240
do the same thing that we saw. And I told her,

496
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:39.720
I says, you know, this is the same thing that

497
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.319
happened before the force was quiet for those three or

498
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.400
four days. The force was just dead quiet at night.

499
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:55.599
Bill kyotes know nothing, and it's the same area. And

500
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.319
I just come to the conclusion that it just happens

501
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.920
when you least expect it, because that bigfoot was.

502
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.000
The last thing on my mind.

503
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.079
Blow we were up there, but when I heard it

504
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:17.000
walk around that tent, I mean it's almost you. You

505
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.240
could feel it, but you couldn't see it. And you

506
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:24.160
could hear it and just the steps, the steps, it

507
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.440
was I like it was sneaking up because you could

508
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.359
just hear it hit that thing, and to reach over

509
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.480
across the top of that tent, There's no way. There's

510
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.839
no way anybody could have done that without falling in

511
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.200
on the tent, even if they were standing on something.

512
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.480
But that was the That was the second experience in

513
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:51.039
the same area, just ten years later.

514
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:58.480
D that is that is wild? So after that? Was

515
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.480
that enough? So You're like, I'm not going back there anymore?

516
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.319
Or is it a thing where I might go back

517
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:05.400
there again someday.

518
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.160
Now it came to the point to where it was

519
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:16.480
I'm going back there again. I got excited that time.

520
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.079
I got excited. I just I had the dogs and

521
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.039
the wife with me, but I was I was like,

522
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.400
I've got crazy. Okay, you know that was kind of

523
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.720
my thing. It was like in my own brain it

524
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.240
was I'm not crazy. There is actually something up here

525
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:37.039
and it's bigfoot, and I want to see it again.

526
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:42.880
Would you go back there again for a third time?

527
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:49.039
Oh yeah, oh yeah, to have one more experience. Yeah,

528
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.759
I think it would be worth it. Now, do I

529
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.640
want to keep my distance. Yeah, I really, I really

530
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.799
don't want to come face to face with her, you know,

531
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:02.759
I mean I do it. I don't like I said,

532
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:09.280
it's an animal. You don't know what might happen. I

533
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:15.440
like the distance, but I am not afraid. I'm more

534
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.719
curious that afraid to see it again. I want to

535
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.039
see more of it. People that have actually seen their

536
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:27.199
faces that type of thing. I'd love to experience that part.

537
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.880
But it hasn't made me scared to go in the

538
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.760
woods all. It's made me more curious.

539
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:40.719
Absolutely, would you be able to mark on a map

540
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.280
the general area where this happened. I feel like there's

541
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.920
got to be other people that have experienced stuff in

542
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:48.639
the same area.

543
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.840
Oh yeah, yeah, I can't. I can mark it on

544
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.079
a map and send it to you.

545
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.719
I just I have a feeling that would be that

546
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.719
would be great. Scott's a good guy. He's got a

547
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.440
very similar way of thinking as I do. So we

548
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.639
both have the same question. Do you know if there's

549
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:13.800
been stories of other sightings or activity in that area

550
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:17.920
either prior to you camping there afterwards?

551
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:22.360
You know, I haven't heard of much activity, but I'll

552
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.760
tell you people over there really don't talk about it.

553
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:35.679
If they, if they would, people think they're crazy. It's

554
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.760
the old way, I think, and I think it's just

555
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.719
like my grandpa was. I mean, you know, they just

556
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.480
don't talk about those things. You know, you guys are crazy,

557
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:51.039
blah blah blah. I do know of a couple of

558
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:56.800
reports back to the band that happened in the Minum Canyon,

559
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:01.039
which is where those reports took place, that I could

560
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.599
find out or understand.

561
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:05.679
Where they were at was probably.

562
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:15.679
I don't know, maybe fifteen to twenty miles away, So

563
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:22.000
I mean, it's not an outreach of them movie that far.

564
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:26.760
And I'm kind of on the I don't know. My theory,

565
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:31.519
if I could say it, is that I think they

566
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.920
move around. I think they're almost a small migration, not

567
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:36.800
a I don't think they're going.

568
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.800
From Alaska to California. I don't really think they're going

569
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.840
that far. But I think they.

570
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.159
Have their high ground and then they have their low

571
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:50.159
ground and travel with the food. I really believe, and

572
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.199
where we camped at is kind of the mid range

573
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.880
between high and low.

574
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.320
I kind of wondered if it wasn't. It was around

575
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:03.800
in October.

576
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:11.119
Early October, and I almost wondered if they weren't starting

577
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.840
to move down from their high ranges and it was

578
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.280
just kind of a migration path, you know.

579
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:23.639
My theory were both times in October.

580
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:31.400
Yeah, okay, yep, they were because I hunted in those woods,

581
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:33.559
but also by sudden I went up there and did

582
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.599
some hiking. We'd go up there and just do some

583
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:43.639
scouting around, just hiking. Never had never saw anything, never

584
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:48.679
had any interaction, never felt anything, because sometimes if you

585
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:53.440
get out in the woods enough, you kind of feel things,

586
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:57.199
you know, like eh, maybe we should go down there,

587
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.559
or you just you got a gut feeling that maybe

588
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.119
that's not a good place to go.

589
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:05.360
We hiked all over up there.

590
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.480
Never I never got that feeling off something's there or

591
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:15.400
some you know, watching us or anything. But that's what

592
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.960
kind of amazed me, because I'd been in the woods

593
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.760
and been around those woods so much and then have

594
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:26.280
both these things happened in the same place it was.

595
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:35.079
It was kind of shocking because the the the last

596
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.199
thought in my mind I'd ever be able to have

597
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:44.639
those experiences that close to where I was living. I

598
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.840
was living in the Grand at the time, but now

599
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.519
it's in my area. I don't have to read books

600
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:56.000
about it being in Washington, California and place else. It's

601
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.719
right up there, and of course as my son got

602
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.360
old there we'd go looking for it, but we never

603
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.000
never found anything.

604
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.000
Oh, so that that is very interesting. So the times

605
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:13.599
that you weren't looking, but the times that you were,

606
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:15.960
that's that's very interesting.

607
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.639
Hmm. And that's why I've told some people that I've

608
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.159
talked to. I says, they say, well, I want to

609
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.360
find Bigfoot. Let's go Bigfoot. And I says that you'll

610
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.079
never find it. I says, you need to you need

611
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:34.079
to go into the places not expected it and not

612
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:35.239
be prepared for it.

613
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:36.320
And I said.

614
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:39.920
That that's what you see it, that's what it all happens.

615
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.079
And that's what's happened every time.

616
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:45.840
And I saw.

617
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.000
Now, when I go out in the woods, I hide

618
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.719
the cameras and everything, so I'm not expected to see Bigfoot,

619
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.800
but I'm sure going to get picture of it this time.

620
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.280
Yeah, you said you're good to go with. You have

621
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:03.199
a camera with and maybe even audio recorder, who knows, but.

622
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:08.320
Yeah, yeah, audio recorder. And then what was it about.

623
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.000
I guess it's been ten years. Finally got night vision

624
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:19.400
and so and that's been real handy. Uh so, yeah,

625
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.639
I'm not. I'm not the richest fellow. I can't afford

626
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.519
the the all the fancy toys they have for bigfoot hunting,

627
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:33.480
so yeah, subday sub they all have them.

628
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:39.440
Well, it's been really really interesting chat about an area

629
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:41.920
I haven't really talked to a lot of people about,

630
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:47.039
So it'll be interesting to see what comes of this interview.

631
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:49.400
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

632
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.480
truly for listening to this episode of the Big for

633
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.960
Society podcast. These story sticks with you, not just because

634
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.039
of the towering creature in the woods, but because of

635
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.800
the quiet fear, the awe, and the raw motion of

636
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.880
a trying to protect his sun from something he couldn't explain.

637
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.079
So huge thanks to d for opening up about these

638
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.920
unforgettable nights in the Wallowa woods, reminding us that bigfoot

639
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:13.320
encounters don't always happen to those who go looking. If

640
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.000
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647
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.920
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648
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.239
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649
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.360
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650
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.360
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651
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:49.519
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652
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.559
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653
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.000
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654
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:56.199
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