April 1, 2025

It was Running Right Towards Us! | Kentucky

Join the Bigfoot Society as host Jeremiah Byron chats with Gene Brock, an anthropologist and founder of the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research. Gene shares his long history of Bigfoot encounters in Kentucky, including the impactful sighting that...

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Season 1

Join the Bigfoot Society as host Jeremiah Byron chats with Gene Brock, an anthropologist and founder of the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research. Gene shares his long history of Bigfoot encounters in Kentucky, including the impactful sighting that redirected his career. From early encounters in Jellico Mountain and West Kentucky to intriguing investigations around Berea College's reservoirs and Daniel Boone National Forest, Gene provides a detailed account of his experiences. Learn about rock-throwing incidents, mysterious howls, and an unexplained lapse in time that hint at the elusive presence of Bigfoot. Whether you're a seasoned researcher or new to the subject, this episode delves deep into one of Kentucky's most compelling Bigfoot investigation stories.

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get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. But

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the privilege of talking to mister Gene Brock today. Gene

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is an anthropologist and started the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research.

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Saw him post a few things, I believe it was

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over on Facebook about some things he's experienced. So reached

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out to him to see if you would come on

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the show to share what he's experienced, and thankfully he

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was good to go for that, and Gene, welcome to

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the show today.

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How's it going man, I'm good Jeremy, I thank you,

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pleasures all mine.

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Oh absolutely, and likewise as well. But you know, I

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love talking to people from the state of Kentucky. You

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guys have some wild, wild stuff going on down there

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when it comes to bigfoot. So I've been looking forward

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to this one. But you know, Gene, when I have

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individuals on that, you know they kind of have a

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little bit of a research background. They're out in the

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field going after it. You know, I'd love to hear

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what first got you into the bigfoot field to begin with.

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Well, it's pretty long drawn out story. Basically, my encounter

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I had as a teenager kind of reshaped my whole

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future plan, and I wound up going to Eastern Kentucky

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University and majoring in anthropology just basically so I could

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take all the primate classes. Of course, there's not many

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jobs here in Kentucky to deal with primates, so I

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specialized in archaeology and that puts me in a lot

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of remote places doing field work for that, and I

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get I guess I'm lucky. I get to do bigfoot

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research at night, and all these different locations that I've

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been in during the day and looked around, I can

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go back at night when it's my free time and

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do field work if I want to.

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You must have had a just a wild encounter for

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that to put you on that life path of where

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you're taking everything and going after this one hundred percent.

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Yeah, it was can back on it. It was a

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whole lot more dramatic than it was at the time

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because at the time I wasn't quite sure exactly what

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I had saw, which will be evident when when I

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re recall my encounter with you, because it wasn't the

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standard eight foot tall, upright walking creature, but yeah it was.

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It was pretty pretty intense in the moment, but it

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didn't freaked me out at the time, but it did

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spark a curiosity in me that I was never able

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to put out.

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M Well, well, Geene, I would say, if you wouldn't mind, uh,

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let's uh, you feel free to take us back to

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that that time in year a few years ago where

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you had that encounter that that shaped the rest of

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your life.

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Yeah, it's it's been more than a few years ago.

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To start with. My first knowledge of sasquatch was my

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father was a long haul truck driver and he was

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taking a load down south I think to Florida and

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was on his way trip way back home to Kentucky,

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and they were climbing Jellico Mountain near an exit called

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Stinking Creek, which is an exit that ironically goes to

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a gravel road. I was told at one point in

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time there was some military activity there, but there was

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nothing at this exit. And the guy that was following

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my father got on the radio and was telling people

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that a bigfoot had crossed the road in front of him,

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so directly behind my father's truck, and he even hollered

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at the people that they were heading north, so he

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started hollering at the people that were heading south to

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watch that thing that was running across the interstate. Well,

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of course, they got the riding them pretty hard, and

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he passed my father going down the hill and got

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off on the exit at the bottom of the mountain,

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and my dad pulled in behind him and was talking

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to him, and he said that the guy was white

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as a ghost and shaking, and he asked him, he said,

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are you sure it wasn't a black bear that you saw,

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because there is bears in that area. And he said, man,

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I'm from Ashville, North Carolina. I know what a bear

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looks like, and a bear don't cross the interstate in

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three steps. So that was my first introduction into sasquatch.

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So that happened when I was probably about eight or nine.

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So fast forward to nineteen eighty six, maybe eighty five,

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I was thirteen or four thirteen years old. We were

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hunting in West Kentucky. We were hunting on reclaimed coal

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mine property owned by Peabody Coal Company. We were in

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between Central City and Madisonville. So this actually happened on

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the Miehlenberg Hopkins County line area. And it was the

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third week of November, if I remember correctly, because we

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were deer hunting. I was standing in a large open field.

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My father had went down this holler to the west

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of meat and I was standing there and I was

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actually looking to the northwest, I believe it was, and

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I heard my dad shoot. Had been gone for an

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hour or so. This was fourth four o'clock in the afternoon.

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He had been gone for an hour or so, and

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I heard him shoot three times. And it wasn't the

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rapid fire distress signal that you can do with a gun.

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It wasn't three very rapid shots. It was three deliberately

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aimed shots, and I knew it was my dad because

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I'd hunted with him my whole life. I knew what

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the gun sounded like and what struck me as funny,

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as my father was the type of hunter that when

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he pulled the trigger, there was one shot and the

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deer was down. But this was bang, bang bang, very

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deliberate and very aimed shooting. So I walked over to

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the mouth of the holler. Now this this holler was

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It was in the middle of the cold field, but

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it had never been dug out, so it was old

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growth forest and it was fairly open. You could see

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for hundreds of yards down except at the very bottom

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of the haller where there was a wet season creek

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when a spring got up and it run through there.

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So there was a lot of fit dense vegetation right there.

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So I went over to the mouth of the holler

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so I could see down to see if there was

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any deer coming. And I was standing there and I

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wasn't saying anything, but I started hearing voices and I

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couldn't make out what they were saying, but it was

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definitely two people talking to each other, So I thought, okay,

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Dad's down there with somebody. They've probably got a deer down.

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I'll go down and see if I can help. So

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I started walking down the holler and I'd probably got

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a thousand yards down in at something like that. I

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don't know how far it was, but like I said,

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you could see for a long time, and I heard

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no noises, there was nothing running through the woods or

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anything like that. But all at once two when it

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when I got down to the thick area about fifty

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or sixty yards from it, two animals busted out of

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the brush and they were at a dead run, and

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they were running straight at me, and they were, like

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I said, that it was not the standard big foot siding.

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These animals were on all fours. They were doing at

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the time, it reminded me of what I had seen

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on TV of great apes doing. But now I know

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that they were. They were knuckle walking, is what they were.

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The front arms were longer than the rear because their

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their butts were lower than their shoulders, and the knees

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kind of went on on the legs. They the knees

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kind of were up toward the spine and then went

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back down kind of like a track person would be

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right before they take off. The knees were bent and

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they were running wide open at me, and in my

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fourteen year old mind, all I knew was that this

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was some animal I couldn't identify and it needed to

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die because it was running right abbey, and so I

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yanked my gun up and I shot a couple of times.

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I don't even think I aimed at him. I just

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pointed the gun at him because it was very much

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a surprise and it was happening very quick. And right

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after the first or second shot, I don't remember which one,

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but right after I shot, there was a big noise

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right behind me, and I remember thinking they've got me surrounded.

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So I spun around and it was just squirrel going

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up a hickory tree right behind me, making all kinds

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of racket. So I spun back around to the danger

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that I knew was coming, and these creatures were so

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fast that they had already crossed back through the thick

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stuff and were halfway up the other side of the

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haller and I shot one or two more times. I

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shot a total of three times. I just can't remember

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if it was two shots before the squirrel or two

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shots after, but I never touched a hair on either

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one of them, and what I saw there, the hair

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on them was kind of reddish brown. It was three

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to four inches long three and a half inches long,

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no snout like a bear or a canine creature. The

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note the face was appeared to be flat. I saw

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no visible ears. Nothing really stood out at the time

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except for the way that they were moving and the

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fact that I did not know what they were. I

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tried to replay it in my head to pick out

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more details, and there's certain things that I think I saw,

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but I don't want to say, yes, I saw that,

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because I don't know how much of my memory I'm

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interjecting current knowledge into you know what I mean. So

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I tried to avoid getting into too much detail because

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I really didn't see a lot of detail, just the

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fact that they were in the quadruped stance, they were

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running fast, they had the long hair, They appeared to

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be great apes knuckle walking. So what I've come to

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theorize in years later is that these were two juvenile

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sasquatches that I saw now. The when they charged out

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of the brush, they started hollering back at forth of

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at each other with each other when they saw me,

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and I can tell that the voices that I heard

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were these two things chattering back and forth to each

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other after my father shot at or after Yeah, let

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me let me back up. When when I talked to

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my father when we got back to camp, he was

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saw these two things too, and that's what he was

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shooting at. So after he shot at him, and I

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moved over to the edge of the field and I

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heard the voices. It was these two things chattering back

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and forth to each other as they come up to holler.

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Big for society. You right back. After these messages, my.

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Dad saw him at about one hundred yards from him.

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He got a maybe a better look at him, but

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it was at a longer distance, so his detail pretty

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much matched mine. But it is what he saw and

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what he was actually shooting at. We had tried for

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a long time to convince ourselves that it was some

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kind of K nine or a wolf that we saw,

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but I think we all knew in the back of

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our minds that it was not. We wasn't quite sure

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what it was. Had suspicions because I believed in Bigfoot

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from the get go, and we've discussed it several times

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with other guys that we've hunted with, and we're all

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kind of on board with that. There's we hunted there

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for well, we still hunt there, but for a good

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twenty years we were down there at least five or

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six times a year, five or six weekends a year,

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deer hunting, and we've heard strange howls, screams, things that

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we now know were wooden knocks and rocks being banged together,

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because we'd just be going through the woods and all

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at once they're sounded like somebody smacked the tree with

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a baseball bat, and we never knew what it was.

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We'd be sitting there deer hunting all that once you'd

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hear rocks, plainly rocks being banged together, and we never

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could figure out what it was. We always said, well,

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we had heard some coons banging on something, you know,

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breaking it open to eat or whatever. But we now

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know that it was rock clacking and tree knocks. And

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there's a huge coyote population down there, so we would

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always hear coyotes and they would run in a pack

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and they would start singing, and every now and then

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there would be just sound what's something that sounded like

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the King coyote. Out of the bunch of them, it

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was always a lot bigger and a lot deeper, and

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it rung out a lot longer. So I believe that

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was definitely sasquatch howls. And if you check the sites

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that do report cataloging the surround founding counties of Muhlenberg

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and Muhlenberg County, there is about ten different reports that

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happened within three miles of where my sighting took place at.

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So it's definitely a hot area, or was a hot

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area anyway. When we were hunting there. It was sixty

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two thousand acres of reclaimed coal land that nobody ever

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did anything on. It's dwindled down a little bit. They've

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sold some of it. I think it's down to about

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forty thousand acres now, I believe is what it is.

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That is an absolutely incredible first beat into the bigfoot world.

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I just that's incredible. Did they have any emotion to

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their face? What you remember as they were rushing towards.

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You, Not that I really recall. I've been asked if

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I thought that they were charging me particularly, and I

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think I just happened to be in their way because

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I didn't. Even though I discharged my weapon, I really

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didn't have a sense of being threatened. It was more

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I need to kill this to figure out what it

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is kind of thing, which I know in this modern

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day in times, that's that's probably a kind of a

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weird thing. But you got to remember this was the

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mid eighties and I was thirteen fourteen years old. You know,

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if I couldn't identify something it needed I needed to

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be able to and shoot in one of these was

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the only way I knew how to identify it. But no,

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there was there was no no emotion on the face

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that I saw, the the chattering when they when they

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charged out that they were not making any noise. They

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were just running. I don't know if they had run

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up that creek that was there because it was dry

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at the time and just didn't make noise, or if

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they were sitting there and then took off when they

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saw me. Of course, that goes against the I was

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in their way, because they would have run at me

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if that was the case. But there was There was

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no obvious threat. There was no snarling of teeth or

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anything like that. But there the sounds they were making

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became more like When I first heard them in the field,

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it was more of a speech cadence. It was. It

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was more of a communication type thing. I hate to

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use the word language, but it had that rhythm to it. Now,

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when they come out of the brush running at me,

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it sounded more like chimpanzees would when you started them,

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just with all the shrieks and just the vocalizations. There

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was no cadence to it. No, I'm trying to say something.

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It was more of a startle and surprise kind of

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a cadence, just like you had walked into a jungle

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area where there was chimps, and somehow or another you

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snuck in on them and all at once they saw

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yet and they started doing their vocals. The one thing

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that I always wondered was were they just hollering because

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I surprised them or were they hollering for mom and

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dad that I never saw? And that part of it,

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that's that's the creepiest part, or the most worrisome part.

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Was there a large male or female nearby that I

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never saw? And what would have happened had my bullet

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actually connected with one? Oh? Absolutely, because the yeah, and

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these creatures, I mean, they were not small by no

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means there. I think that they were probably four foot

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at the front shoulder, and based on some of the

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large breed dogs that I've encountered since then, I would

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say they were pushing one hundred and eighty pounds. They

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were substantial creatures. That they were not babies by no means.

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They could have just been teenagers out on a romp.

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You know. I don't. I can't guess at an age obviously,

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because we don't have a speci in them that we

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can study to that degree. But I get the feeling

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that they were, that they were juveniles. They definitely weren't babies,

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and they definitely weren't adults. So that's the only category left.

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That's some really really interesting stuff, you know, heading up

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the center there. I'm sure you've heard tons of evidence

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over the years. What you heard that day when they

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were making some sort of sounded, some sort of language

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back and forth. Have you heard that at any other

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time in any recording?

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Uh? Yeah. The Sahara sounds the the first time I

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heard them when I was standing in the field. I'm

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I mean, it was not as plain as what you

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hear on the Sierra sounds, but it had that cadence

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to it, the sound of intentional vocals. That's why I

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thought it was people talking. And I could tell that

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there was two individuals because one would start a little

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bit before the other one would finish, so I knew

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it was two people or two individuals talking. Now they

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when they busted out of the brush. There's a spot

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on these Sierra sounds, and I don't know which one

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it is, but it's the rapid speaking, not anything that

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sounded remotely human, but more along the chimpanzee line. But

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one of the sounds on the Sierra Sounds is very

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reminiss to that portion as well. You got the one

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that sounds very chimpish on the Sierra Sounds that sounded

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exactly like what they were doing. And then you have

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the long range sounds that I heard that had the

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same cadence as the Sierra sounds, but not not the

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bad Japanese translated movie sound. You know what I mean? Yeah?

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Absolutely, yes, absolutely, I definitely no, no, what you mean? Yeah?

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Have you? I mean that's why they call it samurai.

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Right exactly?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's uh for a person that

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that's their first time hearing that description, they might be confused,

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but I definitely know what you mean. Have you ever

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considered looking into having something maybe like hypnotherapy to experience

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that time again, or is that something you might not

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want to get into.

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I have thought about that, but I've thought about it

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more for a second experience that I had down there,

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which I have no indication that it has anything at

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all to do with a sasquatch. But I was down

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there hunting, and this was several years later, six seven,

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maybe even ten years later. I was on the edge

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of another great big field. Because that's the way this

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area is laid out. You got these great, big, huge,

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striped mind sections that are now fields, and they're overgrown

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with what we call it tumbleweed, is what we called it.

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But it's real thick, rushed up and surrounded by where

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they dumped the spoils at which grew pine trees and

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service berry trees and just kind of junk trees, locusts

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and things like that. So I'm standing in one and

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it's kind of an old dirt path of a road

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that separates the field from the trees, and about one

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hundred and fifty yards from me, a fairly good sized

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buck deer runs out of the woods, and it's running hard.

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It looks kind of frothy, like a horse does after

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it's run extensively. It's got its tongue hanging out of

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its mouth, and I can hear something else further in

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the woods, and I'm thinking, well, what would be making

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a deer of this size run? Because it was a

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fairly good deer. I mean, I had one hundred intensions

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of killing this deer, and I thought, well, the only

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thing that would make a deer this big run would

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be another bigger deer. So I was watching this deer

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and waiting for the other one to come charging out

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of the woods, because I figured that they'd been down

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there and had been in a fight. And I'm sitting

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there watching that deer come closer and closer, and in

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the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I can hear

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something breathing, and it just sounded like heavy breaths, just

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like it was something body was standing beside me, totally

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out of breath. And this deer getting closer and closer,

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and the other deer has not come out of the

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woods yet, and the original deer is now about forty

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yards from where I'm standing in this little group of trees,

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and then the very next thing that I consciously remember

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is the deer is suddenly behind me. It has run

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past me. So it went from forty yards in front

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of me to about ten yards behind me in the

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blink of an eye, or what I can imagine to

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be a blink of an eye. It's almost like, and

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this is getting a little wooish, but it's almost like

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my brain saw something in those few setsds that it

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doesn't want me to see. It's almost like I have

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a lapse in time. I don't remember what was in

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what happened in the length of time it took that

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deer to cover that fifty yards forty in front of

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me and ten behind me. So if I was to

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consider going under hypnosis, it would be to find out

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what happened in that little short period of time as

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to why I can't remember what happened there.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that would be probably worth considering.

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I mean, I think sometimes we there's things that happens,

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things that happen in our lives and our brain kind

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of in order for us not I don't know. I

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think there it's maybe even a trauma response where you know,

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sometimes it maybe a little bit gets erased so we

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don't have to replay that part and we can just

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keep on living, you know what I mean. And I

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think it'd be interesting exactly if you could find out

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what's under that little erased part. But I'm not sure

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what you'd find either, you know what I mean, big

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for society, who would be right back after these messages?

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Right, And that's kind of what I've always felt like.

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It was that my brain saw something that was so

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traumatic to it that it just erased that small section

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of my memory. And you know, because like I said,

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when I encountered the small ones, it wasn't traumatic event

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at that moment. Later, you know, when I think back

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on it and I think about the possibility that there

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been a bigger one there or something like that, then yeah,

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it gets a little bit unnerving until just I think

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about three years ago, that was the first time I

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had stepped foot back in that holler, and that's been

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well I'm fifty three, so that was forty years ago,

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and I'd never stepped foot back in that holler until

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just a couple of years ago. So, you know, after

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the fact, it was traumatic, but during the event, it

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wasn't wasn't that traumatic. But whatever happened in those few

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seconds with that one dar encounter, I can't account for

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and I don't know why. And you know I've I've

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talked about that before, and you know everybody wants me

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to say, oh, it was you know, WU type stuff,

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and I don't. I'm a one hundred percent flesh and

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blood guy, but I do not discount anybody's wo experience.

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You know, that's that's what happened to them, and that's great.

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I'll take all the information I can get from all that.

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Maybe something like that will happen to me sometimes. But

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on that second experience where I lost a few seconds

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of time, you know, I have nothing to say that

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there was a sasquatch involved in that. I saw nothing

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that you know puts one on the scene. I heard stuff,

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but you know, it could have been another big deer

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coming through the woods. But for some reason, I do

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have that lapse in memory. But I can't call it

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woo stuff because I can't call it bigfoot woo stuff

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because there was not a big foot present, if that

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makes sense. I've tried to explain that before, but I

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don't know. I always convey what I'm actually trying to say, no, it.

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Makes sense it did. It didn't happen in a similar

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area as to where your other encounter happened, though, like

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it wasn't too far away.

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It sounds like, oh.

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No, it was still on Peabody, still in the general

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area across country. It would have probably been only maybe

455
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a mile and a half to drive it to the roads.

456
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:48.759
It would probably be about three miles if you drive

457
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.599
on the Hall Roads and the Coal roads to get there.

458
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.000
But if you just trecked across country a mile and

459
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.319
a half maybe two.

460
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.559
Yeah. Yeah.

461
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.680
The how this show is is, you know, it's a

462
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.200
platform for people to share what they've experienced. As far

463
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:12.960
as I'm concerned, there's no distinction between will or whatever

464
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.000
on this show because we don't know exactly what it

465
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:19.599
does and what it's capable of. So if the witness

466
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:24.000
has experienced it, it can get out there on this

467
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.599
And I'm not shutting anything down like I know some

468
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:32.360
other platforms that might happen, but yeah, we just don't,

469
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.679
you know, we don't know what it is yet, and

470
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:41.280
different people report some really interesting things. Now we already

471
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.280
know that how this did affect the rest of your

472
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:48.199
life is, you know, it made you go into college

473
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:53.360
in eastern Kentucky and take these classes to study you know,

474
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:59.639
apes and anthropology, archaeology. How quickly did that happen after

475
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:01.360
you have had this experience.

476
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:09.000
It didn't happen rapidly because I'm a musician as well,

477
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.599
so there was a quite a bit of time between

478
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:21.039
graduating high school and when I went back to get

479
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.960
my degree where I was just playing music. So there

480
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.039
was probably about a ten year time span between graduation

481
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:37.199
and then actually going to college. And I actually tried

482
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.880
to start the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research before I

483
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:49.400
even went back to college. It was, well, this will

484
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.519
give you an idea how long it was. I had

485
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:59.599
a you Who group page called Bigfoot in Kentucky, and

486
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:03.920
I was looking for people who were a little bit

487
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:10.039
more scientific minded, and I had quite a few people

488
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.039
request to join the group, which I let everybody that

489
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.920
wanted to be in it in because you know, that's

490
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.840
how you find people. And there was a couple of

491
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:26.760
guys that joined the group that did go on to

492
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:33.280
do some higher profile things in the bootfoot community, but

493
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:36.840
they were a little bit more gung ho about it

494
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:41.039
at the time than I was because I was looking

495
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:45.840
for a certain mindset and as to were these guys,

496
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:48.519
they just they wanted to run straight out and just

497
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:54.039
start researching right off the bat. You know. It's like

498
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.840
meet them on online on Friday, and they wanted to

499
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:03.920
go out squatching on SAT. And that wasn't the mindset

500
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:08.880
that I was looking for. So when I went back

501
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.000
to college for the second time, because I got one

502
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:18.960
degree right after I graduated from a trade school, and

503
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:23.800
then I went back and got these degrees at EKU

504
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.320
And anyway, I'm getting off track. When I was in

505
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:33.280
school and I was around the other anthropology majors, the

506
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:39.719
biology majors, the people that were getting degrees to work

507
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:44.920
in the forest element, our paths crossed a whole lot.

508
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.400
And so I would always talk about this because I

509
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.039
was never shy about it, and I had several of

510
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:59.320
my professors told me not to, you know, do this publicly.

511
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.519
As a matter of fact, one guy approached me back

512
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:07.320
then about being in a book that he was writing,

513
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.840
and I had mentioned that to one of my professors

514
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.280
and he told me definitely to stay away from it

515
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:17.679
if I wanted a career at all. But now, like

516
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.840
I said, I'm older now and I don't care. So anyway,

517
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:27.679
in the course of meeting these other students, I found

518
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:32.840
several that were very interested in the topic. And so

519
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:40.960
when we actually officially formed the group, it was in

520
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:49.039
two thousand and two, I think or thereabouts, and I

521
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.800
think that's the right. Anyway, when we actually formed the group,

522
00:38:53.760 --> 00:39:01.559
it was full of anthropologist, biologist, people with advanced degrees

523
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:07.320
in the outdoors of some aspect. So everything was approached

524
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:12.559
on a scientific level. It was very rare that we

525
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.840
would just jump up and decide to run out to

526
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:20.599
the woods. Everything was planned out. Everything was well organized.

527
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.440
All the equipment was gathered, you know, checklists were made,

528
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:31.239
The whole evening was planned, weekend, however long it was.

529
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.760
It was planned out, step by staff, everything that we

530
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.960
were both. That's the way we approached it, and that's

531
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:38.639
how the center come about.

532
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:43.599
That's good information for us to cover, though, because it

533
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:49.920
does kind of get us down the timeline to show that,

534
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.320
you know, I mean, for one, you were coming up

535
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:59.719
against some really interesting figures. Even in your schooling. You

536
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.199
had teachers that were trying to talk to you out

537
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.800
of it, which that's incredible to hear that you weren't

538
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.119
even a teacher. You were just a student, and they're

539
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.159
trying to talk you out.

540
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:16.119
Of it, right, and and you know, honestly they were.

541
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.840
They were looking out for my best interest, you know,

542
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:22.599
because they at the time, they didn't know which direction

543
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.400
I was going to take my career. And if I

544
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:32.920
wanted to actually, you know, study cultural anthropology or something

545
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:36.239
on a major level, or get a doctorate and try

546
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:41.719
to become a professor, I probably didn't want Sasquat's researcher

547
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:50.760
glaring on my resume. But you know, there's there's a

548
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.639
few of them out there now, Bend Nagel, Krantz, Meldrum.

549
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.000
You know, I'm sure they've all paid a heavy price

550
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:05.199
for their in the subject. I know, I know Jeff has,

551
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.159
or at least I'm pretty sure Jeff had. I won't.

552
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.360
I won't say I know for certain, but yeah, there

553
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:17.960
was there was a lot of obstacles. And the official

554
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.199
roster for the for the group, there is one person

555
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:26.199
on the whole roster that does not have an advanced degree,

556
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:31.480
and that is because this person had a face to

557
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:36.000
face encounter as well and owns a large piece of

558
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:42.280
property where there's quite a bit of Bigfoot activity periodically,

559
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:48.079
and so just we just kind of included her because

560
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.559
she was always a good resource, and she was always

561
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.559
someplace where we could go and do research if we

562
00:41:54.280 --> 00:42:00.440
didn't have a particular place picked out. But the one

563
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:05.000
of the funny things is is we would go out

564
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:10.320
and yeah, we would have things happen periodically, nothing with

565
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:18.800
any consistency until I got my son involved and some

566
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:24.000
of his friends, and the first night I ever took

567
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.199
them out, we had some of the most dramatic interactions

568
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:36.800
that we've ever had as a research group. And he

569
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:41.920
was let's see, he had just turned eleven at the time,

570
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:47.920
maybe twelve, and him and three of his friends, you know,

571
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.960
they were watching Finding Bigfoot and all that sort of stuff,

572
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.039
and they wanted to go squatch it. They just thought

573
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:58.840
it would be just a blast to go. Well, I

574
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:03.199
had gotten a email from a woman who had emailed

575
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:08.000
the center, and there's an area here that is about

576
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:12.159
five miles from our house, and she said that they

577
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:15.159
had been run out of the woods by something screaming

578
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:21.559
and throwing rocks at it. Now, this area, it's college land.

579
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:26.360
There's several places that I'll mention in the recounting of

580
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.559
some of this, but it's owned by Berea College and

581
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.639
it's a large reservoir and people go out there and fish.

582
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.599
They go out there and party, Teenagers go out there

583
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.960
and park. You know, it's not a deserted area. It's remote,

584
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.800
but it's not deserted. Especially on the weekends. Now through

585
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:57.199
the week it's pretty pretty isolated. But he had some

586
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:02.639
of his friends over and it had been raining hard

587
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:09.039
for three solid days. And this is February in Kentucky.

588
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.920
That's what we get in February. It's either snow or rain.

589
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:21.519
And everything was pretty well flooded. But this particular day,

590
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:26.880
it was the first full moon of February, and that

591
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.800
plays an important factor. But it was the first full

592
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.639
moon of February. It had finally quit raining. So I

593
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.159
told the guys, I said, let's run out to the

594
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:44.039
lake out here and we'll do some squatching. So I

595
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:44.840
took him out there.

596
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.199
Big for Society will be right back. After these messages.

597
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:07.119
There was there was four of us, me and the

598
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:11.760
three boys, and we drove down to where this woman

599
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.679
said that they were at. We had turned the truck around.

600
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.559
Now now we're parked on a paved road. Mind you.

601
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.360
It's a dead end road, but it's a paved rope

602
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.960
and we're at the end of it. We're right beside

603
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.800
a long slough that runs up the hollow of the lake.

604
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.960
Now the lake is up high out of its banks

605
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:41.280
and it's probably two hundred and fifty three hundred yards

606
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:46.519
across from bank to bank at this slough. Well we

607
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:51.320
get there. Now, remember this is this is just for

608
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:56.599
the boys to have fun on. I didn't bring, you know,

609
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.519
parabolic kncs, thermal cameras, none of that. They just wanted

610
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.519
to go make noise and bang on trees like they

611
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:07.039
do in the show. So we get there and I

612
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.480
tell the boys, I say, you all know what you

613
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:12.920
want to do, you know how to do it. Have fun.

614
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.480
So we're standing there and they've done tree knocks and

615
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.760
they've done their little howls and screams and stuff. And

616
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.559
my son says, I'm going to do my famous two

617
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:30.199
shorts and a long and so he does this woo

618
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:38.320
woo woo sound. And I'm standing there looking toward the

619
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.480
other side of the lake. And like I said, it's

620
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:48.960
a full moon, so it's bright, it's about forty forty

621
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:57.119
three degrees, it's pretty quiet. It's been raining for, like

622
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.480
I said, the three days, so nothing's making a noise.

623
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.679
Everything is soaked. But I'm standing there looking across the lake,

624
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.480
and all at once there is a rock that is

625
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.400
arching through the air, coming toward me from the other

626
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:17.360
side of the lake. And it's somewhere between a large

627
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:21.599
cantlope and a basketball. It's in between the two of them,

628
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.719
and it comes from the other side through the air

629
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:32.880
and hits the water about twenty to thirty yards from

630
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.480
where I'm at now. It hits the water and it

631
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:41.079
goes deep. You get that bloom sound of the water

632
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:46.239
being shoved out of the way, the splash goes high

633
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:53.000
in the air and rains down. And even if I

634
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:57.119
hadn't have seen the rock, I would know that it

635
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:02.320
was not a beaver tail, because when a beaver smacks

636
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.760
the water, you get that smack sound. You don't get

637
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.000
the bloom sound of the rock going deep, and you

638
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.480
definitely don't get a heavy spray of water falling back down.

639
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:18.079
So but anyway, this happens, And of course, like I said,

640
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:22.239
I'm not overly prepared. I've got a fairly good flashlight.

641
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.199
It's a little bit foggy, but I've got a fairly

642
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:29.760
good flashlight. I put the boys in the truck because

643
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:33.079
I'm not sure what's fixing to happen, because I've never

644
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:38.079
had anything like this happened before, nothing being thrown at

645
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:44.480
me like this. So they're in the truck and they've

646
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.400
got they're hanging out the windows like the clampets, So

647
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.079
I don't even know why they bothered to get in

648
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.920
the truck. But I'm standing there and I hear almost

649
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.719
what sounds like something go into the water, just like

650
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:02.880
a canoe would make, just the faintest sound of part

651
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:07.679
in the water. No ripples, no no wake, nothing like that,

652
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:11.159
but you can almost tell that something is moving in

653
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:16.840
the water. And then that kind of stops, and I

654
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:24.360
start hearing this clicking noise, like a tapping almost like

655
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:29.639
that sound, and it's kind of got a rhythm to it.

656
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:35.079
It's nowhere near that that fast. It's more like kind

657
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:39.960
of kind of like that. But anyway, I'm shining my

658
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:45.159
light around, I can't see anything at all, can't pick

659
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.800
out anything through the fog, nothing in the tree line

660
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.719
that we can see through with the flashlights. And eventually

661
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.039
it just kind of I don't know if it goes

662
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.840
away or if it just stopped. But nothing else happened,

663
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.159
and I was pretty much ready to head out by

664
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.280
that point, because all I've got with me is a

665
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:11.079
nine milimeter nothing to do battle with a sasquatch with.

666
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:18.599
So we leave. Now. The next day I contacted Bobo

667
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:24.119
James Faith and I told him what had happened, and

668
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.079
I asked him if he had ever encountered anything like that,

669
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.559
and he said that he had heard that two other times,

670
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.119
and he said it was a large male and it

671
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:40.559
was mad. That I was right to leave with the boys,

672
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:44.840
but to go back, and I said, okay, we'll go back.

673
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:49.760
So we then spent the rest of that summer going

674
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:54.239
back to this same location other areas around the lake,

675
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:59.960
and never had anything else happen again that whole son.

676
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.119
Not a howl, not a knock, not a not a pebble,

677
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:10.480
not a pine cone, nothing, And so I'm just about

678
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:12.519
to write the area off that it was just a

679
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:17.840
fluke that happened that night. So fast forward to the

680
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.280
following February. And remember I said that it was the

681
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:27.639
first full moon of February. So we go back out

682
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:33.000
other to our non degree members farm, which is about

683
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.639
two hours from our house, and we go up there,

684
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:40.119
and of course the guys think they're seasoned squatchers now,

685
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.239
and we go up there and we do hear some things.

686
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:48.320
We pick up a very faint what sounds like a

687
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:53.199
how through the parabolic mic, some other stuff that was closer,

688
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.400
but it was just weird sounds, not any type of

689
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.519
animal that I could identify. So anyway, we stay up

690
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.559
there until about two o'clock in the morning or one

691
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.920
o'clock in the morning, and then we drive back to

692
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:16.440
where we had the rock throwing incident at and it's

693
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:21.199
the same pickup truck. It's the same four guys in

694
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.800
the pickup truck. We're parked in the exact same spot,

695
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:31.840
one year to the lunar date later, and we pull

696
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:33.920
up and of course we've been in the truck for

697
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.480
an hour and a half at this point, and first

698
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.039
thing we got to do is we all got to

699
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:41.719
go to the bathroom. So we jump out and we're

700
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.840
doing that, we haven't made a sound of any kind,

701
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.079
and we have the exact same experience. We get another

702
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:56.400
rock thrown at us, and my son and one of

703
00:52:56.440 --> 00:53:00.639
his friends saw this one coming from the other side

704
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.599
of the lake, and he said that, he said, I

705
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.079
don't think it was as big as the one you described.

706
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:09.559
He said, it looked like a big cantalope to me,

707
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:14.840
so it's probably a little bit littler. But they saw

708
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.800
it coming and it landed in the water as well.

709
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:26.239
And we hung around for about thirty minutes and there

710
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:30.000
was none of the other activity happened, none of the

711
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:34.360
teeth clacking, nothing going in the water. There wasn't any hows.

712
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:38.639
We initiated a few hows. We've done a wood knock

713
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:42.559
to start with. There was no response of any of that.

714
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.559
We like to say that he just happened to be

715
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.159
there and saw us and was like, hey, I remembered you,

716
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.079
and he threw a rock at us, just kind of

717
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.639
to say hi, and then just went on about his business.

718
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:02.039
So that's that's that's kind of a kind of an

719
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:03.559
intriguing one, I.

720
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:07.880
Thought, So I would agree with you and one. I mean,

721
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.599
those those boys are probably well were they were they

722
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:17.960
excited or how did how did it affect them?

723
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:22.519
Oh? Well, at the time they were kind of freaked out.

724
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:28.039
But once once I started the truck and we drove off,

725
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:33.960
it was just like they were. They were just bowling

726
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.599
with excitement that they couldn't they couldn't even sit still

727
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.559
inside of the cab at the truck. They were all

728
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:43.840
replaying the event how they saw it, you know, and

729
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.119
correcting each other and collaborating with each other. It was

730
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.239
it was pretty fun to watch how they're you know,

731
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:57.119
ten eleven year old minds were working. Uh. But yeah,

732
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.880
they were very excited about it, and then from that

733
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.119
point on they were gung ho to go anytime we

734
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.480
had enough time to drive out to the area, and

735
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:09.760
like I said, we spent a lot of time out

736
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:15.639
there that that whole year, but didn't have anything happening,

737
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.639
which they got a little discouraged a few times, because,

738
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:21.119
you know, the first time out of the gate and

739
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.760
you have a giant basketball sized rocks thrown at you,

740
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:27.360
it's kind of hard to you know, be excited when

741
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.880
you go out and you hear nothing, which now they

742
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:33.719
know that that's ninety percent of it is going out

743
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:37.199
and not getting anything. You know. It's like when I

744
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.159
take them hunting, I'm like, there's a reason they call

745
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.519
it hunting and not killing. You know, you don't always

746
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:47.679
get something, so they understand that. But they are. They

747
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.039
are very much gung hole for it. One of the

748
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:55.559
boys unfortunately, has moved off at this point, so it's

749
00:55:55.639 --> 00:56:01.360
just my son and the other kid that was with him,

750
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:06.480
but we still go quite often. We have actually had

751
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:11.840
a lot of other activity happen out there at this

752
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:19.199
area because we eventually started working our way around the

753
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:24.440
entire lake and we've had we've had multiple rocks thrown

754
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:30.079
at us since then. We have never experienced the teeth

755
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:35.280
clacking since, but we've had multiple rocks. As a matter

756
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:40.320
of fact, just a few months ago, we were out

757
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.400
on the opposite side of the lake and I was

758
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.800
actually leaning up against the truck. And the boys are

759
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:52.159
now fifteen and sixteen years old, so they've got a

760
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.360
little braver and they'll venture away from me a little bit.

761
00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:59.159
So they were about one hundred yards down the road

762
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:03.480
from the truck and uh, I'm sepping there, leaned up

763
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:07.920
against the truck, and all at once, the uh there

764
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:09.719
was it was just like somebody had picked up a

765
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:15.400
handful of little fine road gravel particles and just threw

766
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.519
them on my truck. Because they just rained down on

767
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:24.639
the truck and it was not there was nothing falling

768
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:27.360
out of trees because we were not parked under trees.

769
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.199
It was a clear night. Again there was it wasn't rain,

770
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:35.199
it wasn't anything like that. There was nothing blowing gravel

771
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:39.760
dust up against the truck, but a little fine particles

772
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:44.960
of little tiny rocks just kind of peppered down in

773
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:48.559
the bed area of the truck, or the at least

774
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:53.280
the side of the bed. We never found any sizeable

775
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.840
rock in the truck, but I was leaning right up

776
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:58.119
against it when it happened, and they were one hundred

777
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:02.519
yards from the truck and they heard it. So it's

778
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:10.119
a it's a pretty active area. Now where I live

779
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:15.559
is about well, it's not about. It's exactly five miles

780
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:21.159
from my house to this lake. Some of the best

781
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:25.880
audio recordings we've ever got, I've got right here in

782
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:32.840
my backyard. Another researcher that I know, he went to

783
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:37.400
an area that is called the Pinnacles in Bria, which

784
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:42.559
is a large or it's it's a it's a fairly

785
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:47.639
popular hiking trail, especially on the weekends. It climbs to

786
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.639
about I want to think, three thousand feet and people

787
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:57.119
hike up all the time because of the view. He

788
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:02.280
took two friends is up to the top of the mountain,

789
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:06.119
and they actually it took them longer to get to

790
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:09.199
the top than they thought it would, so by the

791
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.079
time they had got done doing what they wanted to

792
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.400
do at the top, it was getting dark on them.

793
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:22.199
And if you really want to see his experience, it

794
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:29.320
was on that TV show These Woods Are Haunted, and

795
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.039
I can't remember what the title of it was, but

796
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.400
if you if you just research that, you'll you'll come

797
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:43.000
across it. They were basically escorted down the mountain by

798
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:48.760
a few of these creatures. The TV show kind of

799
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:51.000
plays it out like there was only two of them.

800
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:55.679
He told me that when they hit the parking lot

801
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:58.880
area at the bottom of the mountain, because there's a

802
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:03.320
big fun forestry service building there, so there's a parking

803
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:05.280
lot big.

804
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.719
For society will be right back after these messages.

805
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.880
He said when they hit the parking lot area that

806
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:31.039
the one that was closest to them led out a howl,

807
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:35.599
and he said there was at least five others that

808
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.440
howled all the way back up to the top of

809
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:40.719
the hill, or at least what he believed to be

810
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:45.800
that was the top of the hill. But when I

811
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.880
got the audio recordings that I got here in the backyard.

812
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.280
The first one I got, I sent it to him

813
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:55.960
and he said that it sounded just like the ones

814
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:02.239
that was yelling at them at the pinnacles. Now. Now,

815
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:04.840
kind of the reason I bring this up is because

816
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:09.360
where the pinnacles is is five miles from my house.

817
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:14.840
The pinnacles are five miles from the lake. So it's

818
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.760
I call it the Sasquatch triangle because all legs of

819
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:22.199
the distance between these three points are all five miles

820
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:25.960
and there is a quite a bit of stuff that

821
01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:31.960
happens in this that area. So and plus it just

822
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.519
kind of links all of it together and gives each

823
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:38.239
one of them a little bit of more credibility and

824
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:44.039
validation to their happening, you know what I mean? Oh?

825
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.480
Absolutely. And also to add on even a little more

826
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.079
credibility to all this, I mean, this whole area you're

827
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.960
talking about is not that far away from Daniel Boone

828
01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:54.760
National Forest.

829
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:01.920
Correct, Oh no, no, it's well, actually where the lake

830
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.599
is I would consider, I mean, the college owns the

831
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:09.559
property the lake is on, but just on the other

832
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:15.199
side of this property is the Daniel Boone National Forest. Yeah,

833
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.760
there where where all this is at is Madison County.

834
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.920
There's no Daniel Boone Forest in Madison County, but the

835
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:28.119
lake is right on the Jackson County line. As a

836
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:31.519
matter of fact, if you left the lake and walked

837
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:35.360
to the top of the mountain, that would be Jackson County,

838
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:39.039
and all of that area up in there is is

839
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:41.800
Daniel Boone National Forest, and there's been quite a bit

840
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:45.000
of stuff up there. The one person that we have

841
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:48.840
that owns the large property, it is in Jackson County

842
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:54.719
as a matter of fact. When she had her encounter

843
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:59.679
and saw the one, the the sheriff at that time

844
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:05.519
for Jackson County saw one as well, and he of

845
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:09.400
course reported it, and it was in the paper, and

846
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:11.400
it made a kind of a big deal, and it

847
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:16.079
actually wound up, as I said, it wound up costing

848
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:20.679
him re election when it comes time to run for

849
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:25.199
sheriff again, because he had won it for several times.

850
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.719
And then he reports seeing a bigfoot and he loses

851
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:31.840
the very next one. So, but he said that he

852
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:34.840
had a barn on his property and he was walking

853
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:38.639
by his kitchen window and something caught his eye, and

854
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:43.280
he said one of them jumped out of the top

855
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.880
of his barn out of the hayloft and then run

856
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:50.599
across the field. And there was four or five people

857
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:55.639
the sheriff and our team member. They lived like two

858
01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:59.320
miles apart, and there was four or five people in

859
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:04.159
that area that side, and they when one of them

860
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:08.639
comes around again, they start making phone calls, Hey, I

861
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.960
seen this. Have you seen anything? And of course when

862
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.559
that happens, we know about it pretty quick and we're

863
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:18.239
up there trying to trying to capture something on video

864
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:22.639
or audio, you know. But it's it's a little bit

865
01:04:22.639 --> 01:04:28.320
harder up there because the country is very, very rugged.

866
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:32.159
It's hard to get around, especially in the dark. And

867
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:36.880
during the summer it's it's rattlesnake and copperhead heaven, so

868
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:38.480
you've got to be very careful.

869
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.079
Yeah, that's that's not a not a good time. I

870
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:47.639
hear this year is supposed to be. I think it's

871
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:51.760
even worse for snakes because the cicadas. That might not

872
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:55.920
be true. Yeah, that might just be a thing I read,

873
01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.039
but I would say.

874
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:03.440
That's probably a fairly accurate statement. I just hope this

875
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:08.559
year is not as bad for ticks. They were real

876
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:11.039
bad last year, So yeah.

877
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:12.559
Take take ticks. Stuff.

878
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:17.719
Seriously, anyone who's listening to this, because tics can really

879
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:18.400
mess you up.

880
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:22.599
We were doing an archaeology project in Florida one time,

881
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:27.840
and when the team arrived on the site, it was

882
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.320
the day before we were actually supposed to start. So

883
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:33.119
we just went out to look at the mound area

884
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:36.960
we were investigating and we were just all in, you know,

885
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:42.000
tank tops and shorts and hikers, and there was five

886
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:44.199
of us went out and looked and we were out

887
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:48.559
there probably two hours looking around, and we had over

888
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:51.119
two hundred ticks on us between the five of us

889
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:56.159
in that two hours. When we got back to the

890
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.880
base camp, we pulled over two hundred ticks off of us.

891
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:01.320
That's not cool.

892
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:05.199
Wow, Yeah, yeah it was. It was bad.

893
01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:09.880
So how about this.

894
01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:16.679
Imagine that you are coming to the end of having

895
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:21.360
your group together and you guys are you're thinking of

896
01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:24.239
the last you know, all the years that you were

897
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:29.679
able to do things in the field, and you're like, well,

898
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.159
still can't believe we had that one thing happen that

899
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:38.559
made it all all worth it? Was there any experience

900
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.519
that just really sticks out in your mind, like this

901
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:47.159
was a pretty incredible experience that we were able to

902
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:49.480
investigate or experience through this.

903
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:59.800
If you take my encounter away, I would have to

904
01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:03.519
say that it was the the first night I took

905
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:09.000
the boys out. That's that's been the most dramatic one

906
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:14.000
night we we've ever had. I mean, we We've had

907
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:18.960
lots of stuff happened, you know. We We've had tree knocks,

908
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:24.400
We've had rocks, We've had rocks thrown, you know, house,

909
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:30.599
We've had the whole gauntlet of stuff. We've we've found footprints,

910
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:38.320
I've done gifting and had experiences with that. But that

911
01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:43.639
that one night for for the most amount of activity

912
01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:48.679
to happen in the shortest amount of time without the

913
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.559
creature walking right up to us, it has to be

914
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:55.760
that one night. So far, now we we've got some

915
01:07:56.719 --> 01:08:02.679
some pretty big adventures playing for this summer. We're going

916
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:10.320
to go spend about three days at Peabody during the

917
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:14.440
middle of the summer when there's not as much activity

918
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:18.960
with hunters and stuff in the area. Uh, We're going

919
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:21.560
to go down there, and we hope to go to

920
01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:27.520
albl sometime this summer too, which is laying between the lakes,

921
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.359
and that's in far western Kentucky.

922
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:37.920
Is there a way that people can keep up to

923
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:43.600
date with what the group is doing in their research

924
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:46.039
or is it a thing where you know, if you

925
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:49.279
catch certain shows where you're sharing, then that's how you're

926
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:52.800
gonna find out what's going on with you guys.

927
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:58.640
Well, yeah, you can find us on Facebook of course,

928
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:02.239
it's the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research. Or they can

929
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:07.600
go to my page, uh Gene Brock. Uh, that's liable

930
01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:11.359
to take them to my music page too, but they can.

931
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:13.560
They can go to either one of them, and they'll

932
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:17.039
find ways to get to the the Kentucky page if

933
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:21.600
they can't find it for some reason. We do, we

934
01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:26.760
get a lot of reports, but we don't we don't

935
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:33.680
report reports, so to speak. There's too many other places

936
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:39.159
that are better at that than we would be, Like

937
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:45.840
the the Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization Charlie Uh, he takes

938
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:50.479
a lot of reports. Of course, you know the guys

939
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:54.680
like you and Wes that do the podcasts that are

940
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:59.159
talking about reports and interview researchers. Uh, the b f

941
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:04.079
r O. That's that's probably the best resource for reports.

942
01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:11.239
But when when we have truly exciting things happen, we

943
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:16.319
will make a post about it just because we heard

944
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:19.279
a tree knock or something where we're not gonna We're

945
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:26.000
not gonna report that because we found a footprint in

946
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.560
the mud where we're not going to report that. Now,

947
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:33.000
if it was an extraordinary footprint or it was a trackway,

948
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:37.520
we would probably report that. But just finding the the

949
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:42.199
odd report, uh, we're probably we probably won't or the

950
01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:45.479
odd footprint, we probably won't make a big post about it.

951
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:52.920
I did find on an archaeology project one time. We

952
01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:56.399
had it was what we call a phase three, which

953
01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:59.840
is where we're working in one spot, and we had

954
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:02.960
had had the field, had a bulldozer come in and

955
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:05.840
strip the topsail off the field, and it was piled

956
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:07.560
up in a pile at the end of the field.

957
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:12.119
And I was walking around the pile doing just kind

958
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:16.840
of a surface survey, and I noticed three holes in

959
01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:19.840
the ground, and I thought, well, that's kind of weird

960
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:23.399
because it almost kind of looked like a bowling ball,

961
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:28.000
the three holes for the finger holes on a bowling ball.

962
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:31.239
And so I was kind of standing there looking at that,

963
01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:35.800
and all at once I just kind of focused my

964
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:39.399
attention to the left just a little bit, and I

965
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:44.520
realized that there was a footprint in the mud there,

966
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:49.520
and it was I immediately went into the big foot mode,

967
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:57.239
and it was a fifteen inch five toed track, and

968
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.239
I got some detailed pictures. Of of course, I didn't

969
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:02.680
have any plaster or paris or anything like that to

970
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.119
make an attempt to make a cast out of it.

971
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:09.880
But when I was down on my hands and knees

972
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:13.640
doing my measurements and taking the pictures, when I went

973
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.920
to get up, I put my hand down in the

974
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.760
dirt and raised up, and I noticed that I was

975
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:24.199
raising up with three of my fingers still on the ground,

976
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:31.479
and it just kind of struck me. And I took

977
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:34.119
my three fingers and I reached over and I put

978
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:37.039
them in the three holes that were on the ground,

979
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:42.920
and it was exactly My fingers just slid right straight

980
01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:44.800
down the holes. I didn't have to move them, didn't

981
01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:49.239
have to adjust or anything. And I kind of think

982
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:56.760
that for some reason this individual had got down on

983
01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:00.239
or had squatted down for some reason, maybe we were

984
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:04.399
coming in or something, but had raised up on those

985
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:09.359
three fingers and drove them into the mud. The finger

986
01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:14.079
size was bigger than mine, quite substantially, and according to

987
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.079
my ruler, they were about an inch and a half

988
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.199
longer than my fingers were. I could not reach the

989
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:22.680
bottom of the holes, but it was it was almost

990
01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:25.039
like I was just putting my fingers down in the

991
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:29.840
three holes that this individual had made in the mud,

992
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:36.079
and I thought that was pretty cool. On that same

993
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:44.279
archaeology project, we doing archaeology. When when you do those

994
01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:49.479
phase two and three's where you're in one spot, it's

995
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:54.920
not really quiet. There's always somebody that wants to play

996
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:59.239
music on their cell phone or something. The younger kids

997
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:03.760
just can't enjoy the sound of nature, you know. But

998
01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:08.079
we would be working and we would hear we would

999
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:10.279
think that we would hear people talking in the woods,

1000
01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:14.800
and we'd shut the radio off and there would be nobody,

1001
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.880
nobody there, nobody walking back to the side or anything

1002
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.720
like that. But we would just hear things, and we

1003
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:27.119
would hear limbs break and just weird things, which that

1004
01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:33.119
could easily have been the wind. But one day, one

1005
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:38.039
of the other team members had some oranges that were

1006
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:42.039
going bad and she was going to throw them into

1007
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.279
the woods, and I said, no, let me have them.

1008
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.920
And I had two apples that I had taken from

1009
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:53.479
the hotel breakfast bar that morning, and it put in

1010
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:58.359
my backpack, and so I took my knife and I

1011
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:03.640
poked holes and all four pieces. And what I had done,

1012
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:10.199
I took a stick and I slid an orange, one apple,

1013
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:14.520
the next apple, and then an orange on the other end.

1014
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:19.239
So the apples were in the center bookend by an

1015
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:23.159
orange on both ends on the stick. And I took

1016
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:26.039
the stick and I laid it up in the crook

1017
01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:29.359
of a tree or the fork of a tree, probably

1018
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:33.159
seven foot, maybe a little higher. I'm six foot, so

1019
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:35.640
reaching seven foot it's not a problem. It could have

1020
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:39.119
been a little bit higher than that. And just left

1021
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:42.840
them there. And the first day we come back, nothing

1022
01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:44.720
had happened.

1023
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:48.319
Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages.

1024
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:08.680
I believe it was the next the following day after

1025
01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:13.600
that when we come back and they were still the

1026
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.680
stick was still up in the tree, and I could

1027
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.359
see one of the oranges. So I pulled it down

1028
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:23.920
because it just looked it looked different than the way

1029
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.159
I had left it, and so I pulled it down

1030
01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:29.239
to look to see if a squirrel or something had

1031
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:36.560
got onto it. And both apples were gone, but both

1032
01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:42.239
oranges were still on the stick, and it was like

1033
01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:45.239
you know, something that took an orange, one of the

1034
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:49.239
oranges off, took both of the apples off, and then

1035
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:51.600
put the orange back on and put it back up

1036
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:55.960
in the tree. Because if squirrel wouldn't have ate the

1037
01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:58.479
whole thing. I'm not even sure if squirrels eat apples

1038
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:02.560
or not, but birds anything like that, they wouldn't evate

1039
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.279
both the apples to where there was nothing there. So

1040
01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:10.640
something had removed the two apples and put the orange

1041
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:16.079
back on. And I thought about that for quite a

1042
01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:21.560
bit of time, and then I got thinking that, you know,

1043
01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:29.600
we we theorized that sasquatches migrate, and I'm sure they do,

1044
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:33.880
and but on the same on the other end of

1045
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:38.159
the coin, I'm also sure that there's the individuals who

1046
01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:44.279
are habitual to one area. They stay where they leave

1047
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:48.279
live because it has everything they need. And there was

1048
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:51.960
plenty of food, cover, water, and shelter all in this area.

1049
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:55.319
As a matter of fact, it was right below the

1050
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:59.239
Cumberland Dam on the Cumberland River where they released the trout,

1051
01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:04.439
so there is a abundance of trout. But anyway, I

1052
01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:09.199
got thinking, and I thought, well, if this was a

1053
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:16.279
Kentucky born and bred Sasquatch. It had no idea what

1054
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:20.560
a orange in the wild was because we don't have

1055
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:24.199
orange trees. We don't grow oranges in Kentucky, but we

1056
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:28.439
grow plenty of apples. So it knew what the apples

1057
01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:31.279
were and knew it wanted the apples, but had no

1058
01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:36.119
idea what to do with the oranges. That's that's kind

1059
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:37.399
of my hypothesis on it.

1060
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:42.840
That's just that's one of those weird experiences that really

1061
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:43.840
makes you wonder.

1062
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:44.399
Man.

1063
01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:49.199
You guys are are really getting into some some cool

1064
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:52.960
stuff down in Kentucky. And the more I hear about

1065
01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:56.560
that state, I mean, I gotta gotta check it out

1066
01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.680
one day. I've driven through, but I gotta gotta check

1067
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:06.479
check out down there. But had some some wild, wild,

1068
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:08.840
wild stuff, Gene. I just want to say thank you

1069
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:12.199
for for coming on the show and for sharing.

1070
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:12.880
Uh.

1071
01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.159
I know it's just a little bit of what you've

1072
01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:19.079
experienced over the years, but it's some really cool stuff.

1073
01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:23.800
Yeah. I could talk all night and cover lots of

1074
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:29.279
lots of ground on stuff, but you know, I hold

1075
01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.560
some things kind of close because I don't want to

1076
01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:35.079
muddy the waters, so to speak. That's that's another reason

1077
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:37.199
why we don't do a lot of you know, hey

1078
01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:40.279
we found this footprint, we've heard this tree knock, because

1079
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:45.640
you know, everybody's that studies this knows everything there is

1080
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:48.560
to know about a tree knock or a or a footprint.

1081
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:52.319
You know what, what do we add by saying, hey,

1082
01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:55.920
we heard a tree knock last night, right, so you know,

1083
01:19:56.000 --> 01:20:00.119
and until we have a specimen on the table, you know,

1084
01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:05.840
it's it's it's kind of hard to put serious facts

1085
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:09.239
behind some of this stuff. We can theorize all day long,

1086
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:15.199
you know, but any anyway, Yeah, I could rattle on

1087
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:18.560
all that. I get pretty long wins sometimes, but I've

1088
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:20.199
definitely enjoyed being on your show.

1089
01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:24.079
You know, It's it's been a fun one, Gene. And

1090
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:26.840
we'll definitely keep in touch with you. I want to

1091
01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:30.800
make sure you know, in our last few minutes, I

1092
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:33.159
just wanted to make sure did you have any other

1093
01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:38.039
closing thoughts you on to share or you know, we

1094
01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:43.720
will definitely put the links to the Facebook page for

1095
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:46.600
you guys, so that people can make sure that you

1096
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:48.600
go over and check that out as well.

1097
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:53.520
Yeah, that that would be great. The only thing I

1098
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:58.800
can add is if you know anybody that encounters anything,

1099
01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:06.239
definitely recommend that they report it to whatever reporting website

1100
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:10.279
that they want to so it's documented. But if it's

1101
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:15.720
in Kentucky or even some of the surrounding states, let

1102
01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:18.319
us know about it too, because we might run out

1103
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:21.439
there and put some boots on the ground. Because if

1104
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:25.479
it happens pretty soon after the encounter, that's always a

1105
01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:30.000
good thing. So you know, if we know about it,

1106
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:31.880
we can check it out. If we don't know about it,

1107
01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:34.079
there are nothing we can do for you. Absolutely, So

1108
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:37.199
if anybody has anything that happens, they're more than welcomed

1109
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:43.800
to reach out to me on any of my Facebook pages.

1110
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:47.920
I've got my personal I've got the one for my music,

1111
01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:53.319
and then I've got the Bigfoot page. So anybody's welcome

1112
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:56.640
to reach out on any of them platforms about bigfoot

1113
01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:59.880
or anything else to me. I'll talk to anybody about anything.

1114
01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:04.399
Well, there you go, Gene Brocket's been it's been fun

1115
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:07.520
chatting with you today. Thank you for coming on the show,

1116
01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:10.159
and I think we'll definitely be keeping in touch.

1117
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:13.680
Thank you all right, sounds good, buddy. I appreciate you

1118
01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:14.479
having me. Thank you.

1119
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:17.520
Just wanted to take a few minutes to say Thank

1120
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:21.199
you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1121
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1129
01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:53.000
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1130
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