It was Running Right Towards Us! | Kentucky

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. But the privilege of talking to mister Gene Brock today. Gene is an anthropologist and started the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research.

0:49 Saw him post a few things, I believe it was over on Facebook about some things he's experienced. So reached out to him to see if you would come on the show to share what he's experienced, and thankfully he was good to go for that, and Gene, welcome to the show today. How's it going man, I'm good Jeremy, I thank you, pleasures all mine. Oh absolutely, and likewise as well. But you know, I love talking to people from the state of Kentucky. You guys have some wild, wild stuff going on down there when it comes to bigfoot. So I've been looking forward to this one. But you know, Gene, when I have individuals on that, you know they kind of have a little bit of a research background. They're out in the field going after it. You know, I'd love to hear what first got you into the bigfoot field to begin with.

1:48 Well, it's pretty long drawn out story. Basically, my encounter I had as a teenager kind of reshaped my whole future plan, and I wound up going to Eastern Kentucky University and majoring in anthropology just basically so I could take all the primate classes. Of course, there's not many jobs here in Kentucky to deal with primates, so I specialized in archaeology and that puts me in a lot of remote places doing field work for that, and I get I guess I'm lucky. I get to do bigfoot research at night, and all these different locations that I've been in during the day and looked around, I can go back at night when it's my free time and do field work if I want to.

2:42 You must have had a just a wild encounter for that to put you on that life path of where you're taking everything and going after this one hundred percent. Yeah, it was can back on it. It was a whole lot more dramatic than it was at the time because at the time I wasn't quite sure exactly what I had saw, which will be evident when when I re recall my encounter with you, because it wasn't the standard eight foot tall, upright walking creature, but yeah it was.

3:26 It was pretty pretty intense in the moment, but it didn't freaked me out at the time, but it did spark a curiosity in me that I was never able to put out. M Well, well, Geene, I would say, if you wouldn't mind, uh, let's uh, you feel free to take us back to that that time in year a few years ago where you had that encounter that that shaped the rest of your life. Yeah, it's it's been more than a few years ago. To start with. My first knowledge of sasquatch was my father was a long haul truck driver and he was taking a load down south I think to Florida and was on his way trip way back home to Kentucky, and they were climbing Jellico Mountain near an exit called Stinking Creek, which is an exit that ironically goes to a gravel road. I was told at one point in time there was some military activity there, but there was nothing at this exit. And the guy that was following my father got on the radio and was telling people that a bigfoot had crossed the road in front of him, so directly behind my father's truck, and he even hollered

5:00 at the people that they were heading north, so he started hollering at the people that were heading south to watch that thing that was running across the interstate. Well, of course, they got the riding them pretty hard, and he passed my father going down the hill and got off on the exit at the bottom of the mountain, and my dad pulled in behind him and was talking to him, and he said that the guy was white as a ghost and shaking, and he asked him, he said, are you sure it wasn't a black bear that you saw, because there is bears in that area. And he said, man, I'm from Ashville, North Carolina. I know what a bear looks like, and a bear don't cross the interstate in three steps. So that was my first introduction into sasquatch.

5:46 So that happened when I was probably about eight or nine. So fast forward to nineteen eighty six, maybe eighty five, I was thirteen or four thirteen years old. We were hunting in West Kentucky. We were hunting on reclaimed coal mine property owned by Peabody Coal Company. We were in between Central City and Madisonville. So this actually happened on the Miehlenberg Hopkins County line area. And it was the third week of November, if I remember correctly, because we were deer hunting. I was standing in a large open field.

6:37 My father had went down this holler to the west of meat and I was standing there and I was actually looking to the northwest, I believe it was, and I heard my dad shoot. Had been gone for an hour or so. This was fourth four o'clock in the afternoon. He had been gone for an hour or so, and I heard him shoot three times. And it wasn't the rapid fire distress signal that you can do with a gun. It wasn't three very rapid shots. It was three deliberately aimed shots, and I knew it was my dad because I'd hunted with him my whole life. I knew what the gun sounded like and what struck me as funny, as my father was the type of hunter that when he pulled the trigger, there was one shot and the deer was down. But this was bang, bang bang, very deliberate and very aimed shooting. So I walked over to the mouth of the holler. Now this this holler was It was in the middle of the cold field, but it had never been dug out, so it was old growth forest and it was fairly open. You could see for hundreds of yards down except at the very bottom

8:08 of the haller where there was a wet season creek when a spring got up and it run through there. So there was a lot of fit dense vegetation right there. So I went over to the mouth of the holler so I could see down to see if there was any deer coming. And I was standing there and I wasn't saying anything, but I started hearing voices and I couldn't make out what they were saying, but it was definitely two people talking to each other, So I thought, okay, Dad's down there with somebody. They've probably got a deer down. I'll go down and see if I can help. So I started walking down the holler and I'd probably got a thousand yards down in at something like that. I don't know how far it was, but like I said, you could see for a long time, and I heard no noises, there was nothing running through the woods or anything like that. But all at once two when it when I got down to the thick area about fifty or sixty yards from it, two animals busted out of the brush and they were at a dead run, and they were running straight at me, and they were, like I said, that it was not the standard big foot siding.

9:34 These animals were on all fours. They were doing at the time, it reminded me of what I had seen on TV of great apes doing. But now I know that they were. They were knuckle walking, is what they were. The front arms were longer than the rear because their their butts were lower than their shoulders, and the knees kind of went on on the legs. They the knees kind of were up toward the spine and then went back down kind of like a track person would be right before they take off. The knees were bent and they were running wide open at me, and in my fourteen year old mind, all I knew was that this was some animal I couldn't identify and it needed to die because it was running right abbey, and so I yanked my gun up and I shot a couple of times.

10:35 I don't even think I aimed at him. I just pointed the gun at him because it was very much a surprise and it was happening very quick. And right after the first or second shot, I don't remember which one, but right after I shot, there was a big noise right behind me, and I remember thinking they've got me surrounded. So I spun around and it was just squirrel going up a hickory tree right behind me, making all kinds of racket. So I spun back around to the danger that I knew was coming, and these creatures were so fast that they had already crossed back through the thick stuff and were halfway up the other side of the haller and I shot one or two more times. I shot a total of three times. I just can't remember if it was two shots before the squirrel or two shots after, but I never touched a hair on either one of them, and what I saw there, the hair on them was kind of reddish brown. It was three to four inches long three and a half inches long, no snout like a bear or a canine creature. The note the face was appeared to be flat. I saw no visible ears. Nothing really stood out at the time

12:07 except for the way that they were moving and the fact that I did not know what they were. I tried to replay it in my head to pick out more details, and there's certain things that I think I saw, but I don't want to say, yes, I saw that, because I don't know how much of my memory I'm interjecting current knowledge into you know what I mean. So I tried to avoid getting into too much detail because I really didn't see a lot of detail, just the fact that they were in the quadruped stance, they were running fast, they had the long hair, They appeared to be great apes knuckle walking. So what I've come to theorize in years later is that these were two juvenile sasquatches that I saw now. The when they charged out of the brush, they started hollering back at forth of at each other with each other when they saw me, and I can tell that the voices that I heard were these two things chattering back and forth to each other after my father shot at or after Yeah, let me let me back up. When when I talked to

13:38 my father when we got back to camp, he was saw these two things too, and that's what he was shooting at. So after he shot at him, and I moved over to the edge of the field and I heard the voices. It was these two things chattering back and forth to each other as they come up to holler. Big for society. You right back. After these messages, my.

14:20 Dad saw him at about one hundred yards from him. He got a maybe a better look at him, but it was at a longer distance, so his detail pretty much matched mine. But it is what he saw and what he was actually shooting at. We had tried for a long time to convince ourselves that it was some kind of K nine or a wolf that we saw, but I think we all knew in the back of our minds that it was not. We wasn't quite sure what it was. Had suspicions because I believed in Bigfoot from the get go, and we've discussed it several times with other guys that we've hunted with, and we're all kind of on board with that. There's we hunted there for well, we still hunt there, but for a good twenty years we were down there at least five or six times a year, five or six weekends a year, deer hunting, and we've heard strange howls, screams, things that we now know were wooden knocks and rocks being banged together, because we'd just be going through the woods and all

15:50 at once they're sounded like somebody smacked the tree with a baseball bat, and we never knew what it was. We'd be sitting there deer hunting all that once you'd hear rocks, plainly rocks being banged together, and we never could figure out what it was. We always said, well, we had heard some coons banging on something, you know, breaking it open to eat or whatever. But we now know that it was rock clacking and tree knocks. And there's a huge coyote population down there, so we would always hear coyotes and they would run in a pack and they would start singing, and every now and then there would be just sound what's something that sounded like the King coyote. Out of the bunch of them, it was always a lot bigger and a lot deeper, and it rung out a lot longer. So I believe that was definitely sasquatch howls. And if you check the sites that do report cataloging the surround founding counties of Muhlenberg and Muhlenberg County, there is about ten different reports that happened within three miles of where my sighting took place at.

17:14 So it's definitely a hot area, or was a hot area anyway. When we were hunting there. It was sixty two thousand acres of reclaimed coal land that nobody ever did anything on. It's dwindled down a little bit. They've sold some of it. I think it's down to about forty thousand acres now, I believe is what it is. That is an absolutely incredible first beat into the bigfoot world.

17:54 I just that's incredible. Did they have any emotion to their face? What you remember as they were rushing towards. You, Not that I really recall. I've been asked if I thought that they were charging me particularly, and I think I just happened to be in their way because I didn't. Even though I discharged my weapon, I really didn't have a sense of being threatened. It was more I need to kill this to figure out what it is kind of thing, which I know in this modern day in times, that's that's probably a kind of a weird thing. But you got to remember this was the mid eighties and I was thirteen fourteen years old. You know, if I couldn't identify something it needed I needed to be able to and shoot in one of these was the only way I knew how to identify it. But no, there was there was no no emotion on the face that I saw, the the chattering when they when they charged out that they were not making any noise. They were just running. I don't know if they had run up that creek that was there because it was dry at the time and just didn't make noise, or if they were sitting there and then took off when they

19:27 saw me. Of course, that goes against the I was in their way, because they would have run at me if that was the case. But there was There was no obvious threat. There was no snarling of teeth or anything like that. But there the sounds they were making became more like When I first heard them in the field, it was more of a speech cadence. It was. It was more of a communication type thing. I hate to use the word language, but it had that rhythm to it. Now, when they come out of the brush running at me, it sounded more like chimpanzees would when you started them, just with all the shrieks and just the vocalizations. There was no cadence to it. No, I'm trying to say something.

20:31 It was more of a startle and surprise kind of a cadence, just like you had walked into a jungle area where there was chimps, and somehow or another you snuck in on them and all at once they saw yet and they started doing their vocals. The one thing that I always wondered was were they just hollering because I surprised them or were they hollering for mom and dad that I never saw? And that part of it, that's that's the creepiest part, or the most worrisome part. Was there a large male or female nearby that I never saw? And what would have happened had my bullet actually connected with one? Oh? Absolutely, because the yeah, and these creatures, I mean, they were not small by no means there. I think that they were probably four foot at the front shoulder, and based on some of the large breed dogs that I've encountered since then, I would say they were pushing one hundred and eighty pounds. They were substantial creatures. That they were not babies by no means.

21:54 They could have just been teenagers out on a romp. You know. I don't. I can't guess at an age obviously, because we don't have a speci in them that we can study to that degree. But I get the feeling that they were, that they were juveniles. They definitely weren't babies, and they definitely weren't adults. So that's the only category left. That's some really really interesting stuff, you know, heading up the center there. I'm sure you've heard tons of evidence over the years. What you heard that day when they were making some sort of sounded, some sort of language back and forth. Have you heard that at any other time in any recording?

22:48 Uh? Yeah. The Sahara sounds the the first time I heard them when I was standing in the field. I'm I mean, it was not as plain as what you hear on the Sierra sounds, but it had that cadence to it, the sound of intentional vocals. That's why I thought it was people talking. And I could tell that there was two individuals because one would start a little bit before the other one would finish, so I knew it was two people or two individuals talking. Now they when they busted out of the brush. There's a spot on these Sierra sounds, and I don't know which one it is, but it's the rapid speaking, not anything that sounded remotely human, but more along the chimpanzee line. But one of the sounds on the Sierra Sounds is very reminiss to that portion as well. You got the one that sounds very chimpish on the Sierra Sounds that sounded exactly like what they were doing. And then you have the long range sounds that I heard that had the same cadence as the Sierra sounds, but not not the

24:22 bad Japanese translated movie sound. You know what I mean? Yeah? Absolutely, yes, absolutely, I definitely no, no, what you mean? Yeah? Have you? I mean that's why they call it samurai. Right exactly? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's uh for a person that that's their first time hearing that description, they might be confused, but I definitely know what you mean. Have you ever considered looking into having something maybe like hypnotherapy to experience that time again, or is that something you might not want to get into.

25:08 I have thought about that, but I've thought about it more for a second experience that I had down there, which I have no indication that it has anything at all to do with a sasquatch. But I was down there hunting, and this was several years later, six seven, maybe even ten years later. I was on the edge of another great big field. Because that's the way this area is laid out. You got these great, big, huge, striped mind sections that are now fields, and they're overgrown with what we call it tumbleweed, is what we called it.

25:58 But it's real thick, rushed up and surrounded by where they dumped the spoils at which grew pine trees and service berry trees and just kind of junk trees, locusts and things like that. So I'm standing in one and it's kind of an old dirt path of a road that separates the field from the trees, and about one hundred and fifty yards from me, a fairly good sized buck deer runs out of the woods, and it's running hard.

26:45 It looks kind of frothy, like a horse does after it's run extensively. It's got its tongue hanging out of its mouth, and I can hear something else further in the woods, and I'm thinking, well, what would be making a deer of this size run? Because it was a fairly good deer. I mean, I had one hundred intensions of killing this deer, and I thought, well, the only thing that would make a deer this big run would be another bigger deer. So I was watching this deer and waiting for the other one to come charging out of the woods, because I figured that they'd been down there and had been in a fight. And I'm sitting there watching that deer come closer and closer, and in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I can hear something breathing, and it just sounded like heavy breaths, just like it was something body was standing beside me, totally out of breath. And this deer getting closer and closer, and the other deer has not come out of the woods yet, and the original deer is now about forty yards from where I'm standing in this little group of trees,

28:17 and then the very next thing that I consciously remember is the deer is suddenly behind me. It has run past me. So it went from forty yards in front of me to about ten yards behind me in the blink of an eye, or what I can imagine to be a blink of an eye. It's almost like, and this is getting a little wooish, but it's almost like my brain saw something in those few setsds that it doesn't want me to see. It's almost like I have a lapse in time. I don't remember what was in what happened in the length of time it took that deer to cover that fifty yards forty in front of me and ten behind me. So if I was to consider going under hypnosis, it would be to find out what happened in that little short period of time as to why I can't remember what happened there.

29:36 Yeah, I mean, I think that would be probably worth considering. I mean, I think sometimes we there's things that happens, things that happen in our lives and our brain kind of in order for us not I don't know. I think there it's maybe even a trauma response where you know, sometimes it maybe a little bit gets erased so we don't have to replay that part and we can just keep on living, you know what I mean. And I think it'd be interesting exactly if you could find out what's under that little erased part. But I'm not sure what you'd find either, you know what I mean, big for society, who would be right back after these messages?

30:39 Right, And that's kind of what I've always felt like. It was that my brain saw something that was so traumatic to it that it just erased that small section of my memory. And you know, because like I said, when I encountered the small ones, it wasn't traumatic event at that moment. Later, you know, when I think back on it and I think about the possibility that there been a bigger one there or something like that, then yeah, it gets a little bit unnerving until just I think about three years ago, that was the first time I had stepped foot back in that holler, and that's been well I'm fifty three, so that was forty years ago, and I'd never stepped foot back in that holler until just a couple of years ago. So, you know, after the fact, it was traumatic, but during the event, it wasn't wasn't that traumatic. But whatever happened in those few seconds with that one dar encounter, I can't account for and I don't know why. And you know I've I've talked about that before, and you know everybody wants me to say, oh, it was you know, WU type stuff,

32:12 and I don't. I'm a one hundred percent flesh and blood guy, but I do not discount anybody's wo experience. You know, that's that's what happened to them, and that's great. I'll take all the information I can get from all that. Maybe something like that will happen to me sometimes. But on that second experience where I lost a few seconds of time, you know, I have nothing to say that there was a sasquatch involved in that. I saw nothing that you know puts one on the scene. I heard stuff, but you know, it could have been another big deer coming through the woods. But for some reason, I do have that lapse in memory. But I can't call it woo stuff because I can't call it bigfoot woo stuff because there was not a big foot present, if that makes sense. I've tried to explain that before, but I don't know. I always convey what I'm actually trying to say, no, it.

33:19 Makes sense it did. It didn't happen in a similar area as to where your other encounter happened, though, like it wasn't too far away. It sounds like, oh. No, it was still on Peabody, still in the general area across country. It would have probably been only maybe a mile and a half to drive it to the roads. It would probably be about three miles if you drive on the Hall Roads and the Coal roads to get there. But if you just trecked across country a mile and a half maybe two. Yeah. Yeah. The how this show is is, you know, it's a platform for people to share what they've experienced. As far as I'm concerned, there's no distinction between will or whatever on this show because we don't know exactly what it does and what it's capable of. So if the witness has experienced it, it can get out there on this And I'm not shutting anything down like I know some other platforms that might happen, but yeah, we just don't, you know, we don't know what it is yet, and different people report some really interesting things. Now we already know that how this did affect the rest of your life is, you know, it made you go into college in eastern Kentucky and take these classes to study you know,

34:53 apes and anthropology, archaeology. How quickly did that happen after you have had this experience. It didn't happen rapidly because I'm a musician as well, so there was a quite a bit of time between graduating high school and when I went back to get my degree where I was just playing music. So there was probably about a ten year time span between graduation and then actually going to college. And I actually tried to start the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research before I even went back to college. It was, well, this will give you an idea how long it was. I had a you Who group page called Bigfoot in Kentucky, and I was looking for people who were a little bit more scientific minded, and I had quite a few people request to join the group, which I let everybody that wanted to be in it in because you know, that's how you find people. And there was a couple of guys that joined the group that did go on to

36:26 do some higher profile things in the bootfoot community, but they were a little bit more gung ho about it at the time than I was because I was looking for a certain mindset and as to were these guys, they just they wanted to run straight out and just start researching right off the bat. You know. It's like meet them on online on Friday, and they wanted to go out squatching on SAT. And that wasn't the mindset that I was looking for. So when I went back to college for the second time, because I got one degree right after I graduated from a trade school, and then I went back and got these degrees at EKU And anyway, I'm getting off track. When I was in school and I was around the other anthropology majors, the biology majors, the people that were getting degrees to work in the forest element, our paths crossed a whole lot.

37:45 And so I would always talk about this because I was never shy about it, and I had several of my professors told me not to, you know, do this publicly. As a matter of fact, one guy approached me back then about being in a book that he was writing, and I had mentioned that to one of my professors and he told me definitely to stay away from it if I wanted a career at all. But now, like I said, I'm older now and I don't care. So anyway, in the course of meeting these other students, I found several that were very interested in the topic. And so when we actually officially formed the group, it was in two thousand and two, I think or thereabouts, and I think that's the right. Anyway, when we actually formed the group, it was full of anthropologist, biologist, people with advanced degrees in the outdoors of some aspect. So everything was approached on a scientific level. It was very rare that we would just jump up and decide to run out to the woods. Everything was planned out. Everything was well organized.

39:22 All the equipment was gathered, you know, checklists were made, The whole evening was planned, weekend, however long it was. It was planned out, step by staff, everything that we were both. That's the way we approached it, and that's how the center come about. That's good information for us to cover, though, because it does kind of get us down the timeline to show that, you know, I mean, for one, you were coming up against some really interesting figures. Even in your schooling. You had teachers that were trying to talk to you out of it, which that's incredible to hear that you weren't even a teacher. You were just a student, and they're trying to talk you out.

40:10 Of it, right, and and you know, honestly they were. They were looking out for my best interest, you know, because they at the time, they didn't know which direction I was going to take my career. And if I wanted to actually, you know, study cultural anthropology or something on a major level, or get a doctorate and try to become a professor, I probably didn't want Sasquat's researcher glaring on my resume. But you know, there's there's a few of them out there now, Bend Nagel, Krantz, Meldrum.

40:55 You know, I'm sure they've all paid a heavy price for their in the subject. I know, I know Jeff has, or at least I'm pretty sure Jeff had. I won't. I won't say I know for certain, but yeah, there was there was a lot of obstacles. And the official roster for the for the group, there is one person on the whole roster that does not have an advanced degree, and that is because this person had a face to face encounter as well and owns a large piece of property where there's quite a bit of Bigfoot activity periodically, and so just we just kind of included her because she was always a good resource, and she was always someplace where we could go and do research if we didn't have a particular place picked out. But the one of the funny things is is we would go out and yeah, we would have things happen periodically, nothing with any consistency until I got my son involved and some of his friends, and the first night I ever took them out, we had some of the most dramatic interactions

42:28 that we've ever had as a research group. And he was let's see, he had just turned eleven at the time, maybe twelve, and him and three of his friends, you know, they were watching Finding Bigfoot and all that sort of stuff, and they wanted to go squatch it. They just thought it would be just a blast to go. Well, I had gotten a email from a woman who had emailed the center, and there's an area here that is about five miles from our house, and she said that they had been run out of the woods by something screaming and throwing rocks at it. Now, this area, it's college land.

43:21 There's several places that I'll mention in the recounting of some of this, but it's owned by Berea College and it's a large reservoir and people go out there and fish. They go out there and party, Teenagers go out there and park. You know, it's not a deserted area. It's remote, but it's not deserted. Especially on the weekends. Now through the week it's pretty pretty isolated. But he had some of his friends over and it had been raining hard for three solid days. And this is February in Kentucky.

44:09 That's what we get in February. It's either snow or rain. And everything was pretty well flooded. But this particular day, it was the first full moon of February, and that plays an important factor. But it was the first full moon of February. It had finally quit raining. So I told the guys, I said, let's run out to the lake out here and we'll do some squatching. So I took him out there. Big for Society will be right back. After these messages.

45:00 There was there was four of us, me and the three boys, and we drove down to where this woman said that they were at. We had turned the truck around. Now now we're parked on a paved road. Mind you. It's a dead end road, but it's a paved rope and we're at the end of it. We're right beside a long slough that runs up the hollow of the lake. Now the lake is up high out of its banks and it's probably two hundred and fifty three hundred yards across from bank to bank at this slough. Well we get there. Now, remember this is this is just for the boys to have fun on. I didn't bring, you know, parabolic kncs, thermal cameras, none of that. They just wanted to go make noise and bang on trees like they do in the show. So we get there and I tell the boys, I say, you all know what you want to do, you know how to do it. Have fun.

46:14 So we're standing there and they've done tree knocks and they've done their little howls and screams and stuff. And my son says, I'm going to do my famous two shorts and a long and so he does this woo woo woo sound. And I'm standing there looking toward the other side of the lake. And like I said, it's a full moon, so it's bright, it's about forty forty three degrees, it's pretty quiet. It's been raining for, like I said, the three days, so nothing's making a noise.

47:00 Everything is soaked. But I'm standing there looking across the lake, and all at once there is a rock that is arching through the air, coming toward me from the other side of the lake. And it's somewhere between a large cantlope and a basketball. It's in between the two of them, and it comes from the other side through the air and hits the water about twenty to thirty yards from where I'm at now. It hits the water and it goes deep. You get that bloom sound of the water being shoved out of the way, the splash goes high in the air and rains down. And even if I hadn't have seen the rock, I would know that it was not a beaver tail, because when a beaver smacks the water, you get that smack sound. You don't get the bloom sound of the rock going deep, and you definitely don't get a heavy spray of water falling back down.

48:13 So but anyway, this happens, And of course, like I said, I'm not overly prepared. I've got a fairly good flashlight. It's a little bit foggy, but I've got a fairly good flashlight. I put the boys in the truck because I'm not sure what's fixing to happen, because I've never had anything like this happened before, nothing being thrown at me like this. So they're in the truck and they've got they're hanging out the windows like the clampets, So I don't even know why they bothered to get in the truck. But I'm standing there and I hear almost what sounds like something go into the water, just like a canoe would make, just the faintest sound of part in the water. No ripples, no no wake, nothing like that, but you can almost tell that something is moving in the water. And then that kind of stops, and I start hearing this clicking noise, like a tapping almost like that sound, and it's kind of got a rhythm to it.

49:29 It's nowhere near that that fast. It's more like kind of kind of like that. But anyway, I'm shining my light around, I can't see anything at all, can't pick out anything through the fog, nothing in the tree line that we can see through with the flashlights. And eventually it just kind of I don't know if it goes away or if it just stopped. But nothing else happened, and I was pretty much ready to head out by that point, because all I've got with me is a nine milimeter nothing to do battle with a sasquatch with.

50:11 So we leave. Now. The next day I contacted Bobo James Faith and I told him what had happened, and I asked him if he had ever encountered anything like that, and he said that he had heard that two other times, and he said it was a large male and it was mad. That I was right to leave with the boys, but to go back, and I said, okay, we'll go back. So we then spent the rest of that summer going back to this same location other areas around the lake, and never had anything else happen again that whole son.

51:01 Not a howl, not a knock, not a not a pebble, not a pine cone, nothing, And so I'm just about to write the area off that it was just a fluke that happened that night. So fast forward to the following February. And remember I said that it was the first full moon of February. So we go back out other to our non degree members farm, which is about two hours from our house, and we go up there, and of course the guys think they're seasoned squatchers now, and we go up there and we do hear some things.

51:45 We pick up a very faint what sounds like a how through the parabolic mic, some other stuff that was closer, but it was just weird sounds, not any type of animal that I could identify. So anyway, we stay up there until about two o'clock in the morning or one o'clock in the morning, and then we drive back to where we had the rock throwing incident at and it's the same pickup truck. It's the same four guys in the pickup truck. We're parked in the exact same spot, one year to the lunar date later, and we pull up and of course we've been in the truck for an hour and a half at this point, and first thing we got to do is we all got to go to the bathroom. So we jump out and we're doing that, we haven't made a sound of any kind, and we have the exact same experience. We get another rock thrown at us, and my son and one of his friends saw this one coming from the other side of the lake, and he said that, he said, I don't think it was as big as the one you described.

53:07 He said, it looked like a big cantalope to me, so it's probably a little bit littler. But they saw it coming and it landed in the water as well. And we hung around for about thirty minutes and there was none of the other activity happened, none of the teeth clacking, nothing going in the water. There wasn't any hows. We initiated a few hows. We've done a wood knock to start with. There was no response of any of that. We like to say that he just happened to be there and saw us and was like, hey, I remembered you, and he threw a rock at us, just kind of to say hi, and then just went on about his business.

53:57 So that's that's that's kind of a kind of an intriguing one, I. Thought, So I would agree with you and one. I mean, those those boys are probably well were they were they excited or how did how did it affect them? Oh? Well, at the time they were kind of freaked out. But once once I started the truck and we drove off, it was just like they were. They were just bowling with excitement that they couldn't they couldn't even sit still inside of the cab at the truck. They were all replaying the event how they saw it, you know, and correcting each other and collaborating with each other. It was it was pretty fun to watch how they're you know, ten eleven year old minds were working. Uh. But yeah, they were very excited about it, and then from that point on they were gung ho to go anytime we had enough time to drive out to the area, and like I said, we spent a lot of time out there that that whole year, but didn't have anything happening, which they got a little discouraged a few times, because, you know, the first time out of the gate and you have a giant basketball sized rocks thrown at you, it's kind of hard to you know, be excited when

55:27 you go out and you hear nothing, which now they know that that's ninety percent of it is going out and not getting anything. You know. It's like when I take them hunting, I'm like, there's a reason they call it hunting and not killing. You know, you don't always get something, so they understand that. But they are. They are very much gung hole for it. One of the boys unfortunately, has moved off at this point, so it's just my son and the other kid that was with him, but we still go quite often. We have actually had a lot of other activity happen out there at this area because we eventually started working our way around the entire lake and we've had we've had multiple rocks thrown at us since then. We have never experienced the teeth clacking since, but we've had multiple rocks. As a matter of fact, just a few months ago, we were out on the opposite side of the lake and I was actually leaning up against the truck. And the boys are now fifteen and sixteen years old, so they've got a little braver and they'll venture away from me a little bit.

56:56 So they were about one hundred yards down the road from the truck and uh, I'm sepping there, leaned up against the truck, and all at once, the uh there was it was just like somebody had picked up a handful of little fine road gravel particles and just threw them on my truck. Because they just rained down on the truck and it was not there was nothing falling out of trees because we were not parked under trees. It was a clear night. Again there was it wasn't rain, it wasn't anything like that. There was nothing blowing gravel dust up against the truck, but a little fine particles of little tiny rocks just kind of peppered down in the bed area of the truck, or the at least the side of the bed. We never found any sizeable rock in the truck, but I was leaning right up against it when it happened, and they were one hundred yards from the truck and they heard it. So it's a it's a pretty active area. Now where I live is about well, it's not about. It's exactly five miles from my house to this lake. Some of the best audio recordings we've ever got, I've got right here in my backyard. Another researcher that I know, he went to

58:32 an area that is called the Pinnacles in Bria, which is a large or it's it's a it's a fairly popular hiking trail, especially on the weekends. It climbs to about I want to think, three thousand feet and people hike up all the time because of the view. He took two friends is up to the top of the mountain, and they actually it took them longer to get to the top than they thought it would, so by the time they had got done doing what they wanted to do at the top, it was getting dark on them.

59:16 And if you really want to see his experience, it was on that TV show These Woods Are Haunted, and I can't remember what the title of it was, but if you if you just research that, you'll you'll come across it. They were basically escorted down the mountain by a few of these creatures. The TV show kind of plays it out like there was only two of them. He told me that when they hit the parking lot area at the bottom of the mountain, because there's a big fun forestry service building there, so there's a parking lot big.

1:00:05 For society will be right back after these messages. He said when they hit the parking lot area that the one that was closest to them led out a howl, and he said there was at least five others that howled all the way back up to the top of the hill, or at least what he believed to be that was the top of the hill. But when I got the audio recordings that I got here in the backyard.

1:00:49 The first one I got, I sent it to him and he said that it sounded just like the ones that was yelling at them at the pinnacles. Now. Now, kind of the reason I bring this up is because where the pinnacles is is five miles from my house. The pinnacles are five miles from the lake. So it's I call it the Sasquatch triangle because all legs of the distance between these three points are all five miles and there is a quite a bit of stuff that happens in this that area. So and plus it just kind of links all of it together and gives each one of them a little bit of more credibility and validation to their happening, you know what I mean? Oh?

1:01:44 Absolutely. And also to add on even a little more credibility to all this, I mean, this whole area you're talking about is not that far away from Daniel Boone National Forest. Correct, Oh no, no, it's well, actually where the lake is I would consider, I mean, the college owns the property the lake is on, but just on the other side of this property is the Daniel Boone National Forest. Yeah, there where where all this is at is Madison County. There's no Daniel Boone Forest in Madison County, but the lake is right on the Jackson County line. As a matter of fact, if you left the lake and walked to the top of the mountain, that would be Jackson County, and all of that area up in there is is Daniel Boone National Forest, and there's been quite a bit of stuff up there. The one person that we have that owns the large property, it is in Jackson County as a matter of fact. When she had her encounter and saw the one, the the sheriff at that time for Jackson County saw one as well, and he of course reported it, and it was in the paper, and it made a kind of a big deal, and it actually wound up, as I said, it wound up costing

1:03:16 him re election when it comes time to run for sheriff again, because he had won it for several times. And then he reports seeing a bigfoot and he loses the very next one. So, but he said that he had a barn on his property and he was walking by his kitchen window and something caught his eye, and he said one of them jumped out of the top of his barn out of the hayloft and then run across the field. And there was four or five people the sheriff and our team member. They lived like two miles apart, and there was four or five people in that area that side, and they when one of them comes around again, they start making phone calls, Hey, I seen this. Have you seen anything? And of course when that happens, we know about it pretty quick and we're up there trying to trying to capture something on video or audio, you know. But it's it's a little bit harder up there because the country is very, very rugged.

1:04:29 It's hard to get around, especially in the dark. And during the summer it's it's rattlesnake and copperhead heaven, so you've got to be very careful. Yeah, that's that's not a not a good time. I hear this year is supposed to be. I think it's even worse for snakes because the cicadas. That might not be true. Yeah, that might just be a thing I read, but I would say. That's probably a fairly accurate statement. I just hope this year is not as bad for ticks. They were real bad last year, So yeah.

1:05:10 Take take ticks. Stuff. Seriously, anyone who's listening to this, because tics can really mess you up. We were doing an archaeology project in Florida one time, and when the team arrived on the site, it was the day before we were actually supposed to start. So we just went out to look at the mound area we were investigating and we were just all in, you know, tank tops and shorts and hikers, and there was five of us went out and looked and we were out there probably two hours looking around, and we had over two hundred ticks on us between the five of us in that two hours. When we got back to the base camp, we pulled over two hundred ticks off of us.

1:06:00 That's not cool. Wow, Yeah, yeah it was. It was bad. So how about this. Imagine that you are coming to the end of having your group together and you guys are you're thinking of the last you know, all the years that you were able to do things in the field, and you're like, well, still can't believe we had that one thing happen that made it all all worth it? Was there any experience that just really sticks out in your mind, like this was a pretty incredible experience that we were able to investigate or experience through this.

1:06:54 If you take my encounter away, I would have to say that it was the the first night I took the boys out. That's that's been the most dramatic one night we we've ever had. I mean, we We've had lots of stuff happened, you know. We We've had tree knocks, We've had rocks, We've had rocks thrown, you know, house, We've had the whole gauntlet of stuff. We've we've found footprints, I've done gifting and had experiences with that. But that that one night for for the most amount of activity to happen in the shortest amount of time without the creature walking right up to us, it has to be that one night. So far, now we we've got some some pretty big adventures playing for this summer. We're going to go spend about three days at Peabody during the middle of the summer when there's not as much activity with hunters and stuff in the area. Uh, We're going to go down there, and we hope to go to albl sometime this summer too, which is laying between the lakes,

1:08:28 and that's in far western Kentucky. Is there a way that people can keep up to date with what the group is doing in their research or is it a thing where you know, if you catch certain shows where you're sharing, then that's how you're gonna find out what's going on with you guys. Well, yeah, you can find us on Facebook of course, it's the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research. Or they can go to my page, uh Gene Brock. Uh, that's liable to take them to my music page too, but they can.

1:09:11 They can go to either one of them, and they'll find ways to get to the the Kentucky page if they can't find it for some reason. We do, we get a lot of reports, but we don't we don't report reports, so to speak. There's too many other places that are better at that than we would be, Like the the Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization Charlie Uh, he takes a lot of reports. Of course, you know the guys like you and Wes that do the podcasts that are talking about reports and interview researchers. Uh, the b f r O. That's that's probably the best resource for reports.

1:10:04 But when when we have truly exciting things happen, we will make a post about it just because we heard a tree knock or something where we're not gonna We're not gonna report that because we found a footprint in the mud where we're not going to report that. Now, if it was an extraordinary footprint or it was a trackway, we would probably report that. But just finding the the odd report, uh, we're probably we probably won't or the odd footprint, we probably won't make a big post about it.

1:10:47 I did find on an archaeology project one time. We had it was what we call a phase three, which is where we're working in one spot, and we had had had the field, had a bulldozer come in and strip the topsail off the field, and it was piled up in a pile at the end of the field. And I was walking around the pile doing just kind of a surface survey, and I noticed three holes in the ground, and I thought, well, that's kind of weird because it almost kind of looked like a bowling ball, the three holes for the finger holes on a bowling ball.

1:11:28 And so I was kind of standing there looking at that, and all at once I just kind of focused my attention to the left just a little bit, and I realized that there was a footprint in the mud there, and it was I immediately went into the big foot mode, and it was a fifteen inch five toed track, and I got some detailed pictures. Of of course, I didn't have any plaster or paris or anything like that to make an attempt to make a cast out of it. But when I was down on my hands and knees doing my measurements and taking the pictures, when I went to get up, I put my hand down in the dirt and raised up, and I noticed that I was raising up with three of my fingers still on the ground, and it just kind of struck me. And I took my three fingers and I reached over and I put them in the three holes that were on the ground, and it was exactly My fingers just slid right straight down the holes. I didn't have to move them, didn't have to adjust or anything. And I kind of think that for some reason this individual had got down on or had squatted down for some reason, maybe we were

1:13:00 coming in or something, but had raised up on those three fingers and drove them into the mud. The finger size was bigger than mine, quite substantially, and according to my ruler, they were about an inch and a half longer than my fingers were. I could not reach the bottom of the holes, but it was it was almost like I was just putting my fingers down in the three holes that this individual had made in the mud, and I thought that was pretty cool. On that same archaeology project, we doing archaeology. When when you do those phase two and three's where you're in one spot, it's not really quiet. There's always somebody that wants to play music on their cell phone or something. The younger kids just can't enjoy the sound of nature, you know. But we would be working and we would hear we would think that we would hear people talking in the woods, and we'd shut the radio off and there would be nobody, nobody there, nobody walking back to the side or anything like that. But we would just hear things, and we would hear limbs break and just weird things, which that could easily have been the wind. But one day, one

1:14:33 of the other team members had some oranges that were going bad and she was going to throw them into the woods, and I said, no, let me have them. And I had two apples that I had taken from the hotel breakfast bar that morning, and it put in my backpack, and so I took my knife and I poked holes and all four pieces. And what I had done, I took a stick and I slid an orange, one apple, the next apple, and then an orange on the other end.

1:15:15 So the apples were in the center bookend by an orange on both ends on the stick. And I took the stick and I laid it up in the crook of a tree or the fork of a tree, probably seven foot, maybe a little higher. I'm six foot, so reaching seven foot it's not a problem. It could have been a little bit higher than that. And just left them there. And the first day we come back, nothing had happened. Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages.

1:16:05 I believe it was the next the following day after that when we come back and they were still the stick was still up in the tree, and I could see one of the oranges. So I pulled it down because it just looked it looked different than the way I had left it, and so I pulled it down to look to see if a squirrel or something had got onto it. And both apples were gone, but both oranges were still on the stick, and it was like you know, something that took an orange, one of the oranges off, took both of the apples off, and then put the orange back on and put it back up in the tree. Because if squirrel wouldn't have ate the whole thing. I'm not even sure if squirrels eat apples or not, but birds anything like that, they wouldn't evate both the apples to where there was nothing there. So something had removed the two apples and put the orange back on. And I thought about that for quite a bit of time, and then I got thinking that, you know, we we theorized that sasquatches migrate, and I'm sure they do, and but on the same on the other end of the coin, I'm also sure that there's the individuals who

1:17:38 are habitual to one area. They stay where they leave live because it has everything they need. And there was plenty of food, cover, water, and shelter all in this area. As a matter of fact, it was right below the Cumberland Dam on the Cumberland River where they released the trout, so there is a abundance of trout. But anyway, I got thinking, and I thought, well, if this was a Kentucky born and bred Sasquatch. It had no idea what a orange in the wild was because we don't have orange trees. We don't grow oranges in Kentucky, but we grow plenty of apples. So it knew what the apples were and knew it wanted the apples, but had no idea what to do with the oranges. That's that's kind of my hypothesis on it.

1:18:39 That's just that's one of those weird experiences that really makes you wonder. Man. You guys are are really getting into some some cool stuff down in Kentucky. And the more I hear about that state, I mean, I gotta gotta check it out one day. I've driven through, but I gotta gotta check check out down there. But had some some wild, wild, wild stuff, Gene. I just want to say thank you for for coming on the show and for sharing. Uh. I know it's just a little bit of what you've experienced over the years, but it's some really cool stuff.

1:19:20 Yeah. I could talk all night and cover lots of lots of ground on stuff, but you know, I hold some things kind of close because I don't want to muddy the waters, so to speak. That's that's another reason why we don't do a lot of you know, hey we found this footprint, we've heard this tree knock, because you know, everybody's that studies this knows everything there is to know about a tree knock or a or a footprint. You know what, what do we add by saying, hey, we heard a tree knock last night, right, so you know, and until we have a specimen on the table, you know, it's it's it's kind of hard to put serious facts behind some of this stuff. We can theorize all day long, you know, but any anyway, Yeah, I could rattle on all that. I get pretty long wins sometimes, but I've definitely enjoyed being on your show.

1:20:21 You know, It's it's been a fun one, Gene. And we'll definitely keep in touch with you. I want to make sure you know, in our last few minutes, I just wanted to make sure did you have any other closing thoughts you on to share or you know, we will definitely put the links to the Facebook page for you guys, so that people can make sure that you go over and check that out as well. Yeah, that that would be great. The only thing I can add is if you know anybody that encounters anything, definitely recommend that they report it to whatever reporting website that they want to so it's documented. But if it's in Kentucky or even some of the surrounding states, let us know about it too, because we might run out there and put some boots on the ground. Because if it happens pretty soon after the encounter, that's always a good thing. So you know, if we know about it, we can check it out. If we don't know about it, there are nothing we can do for you. Absolutely, So if anybody has anything that happens, they're more than welcomed to reach out to me on any of my Facebook pages.

1:21:44 I've got my personal I've got the one for my music, and then I've got the Bigfoot page. So anybody's welcome to reach out on any of them platforms about bigfoot or anything else to me. I'll talk to anybody about anything. Well, there you go, Gene Brocket's been it's been fun chatting with you today. Thank you for coming on the show, and I think we'll definitely be keeping in touch. Thank you all right, sounds good, buddy. I appreciate you having me. Thank you. Just wanted to take a few minutes to say Thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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