April 27, 2025

It Wasn’t a Cougar - Oregon’s Most Terrifying Sasquatch Encounter

What happens when a Portland father joins a friend for a casual camping trip — and ends up face-to-face with something that defies reality? In this gripping episode, we sit down with John, a working-class Oregonian who thought he was spending a quiet...

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Season 1

What happens when a Portland father joins a friend for a casual camping trip — and ends up face-to-face with something that defies reality? In this gripping episode, we sit down with John, a working-class Oregonian who thought he was spending a quiet evening in the Mount Hood National Forest... until a glowing red glow stick led to one of the most shocking Sasquatch encounters we've ever heard.

John describes a crouched, cougar-shaped creature by the creek that suddenly stood eight feet tall, revealed a glowing yellow eye, and seemed to absorb the beam from his thousand-lumen flashlight. Then — it hovered. In a story that blends spiritual fear with raw terror, John opens up about the life-changing aftermath, the dreams that followed, and the questions he still carries.

You’ll hear details from Highway 26, E Lolo Pass Road, and the deep woods near Welches, Oregon — including the haunting moment when his friend asked, “Did we see a demon?”

More than just a Bigfoot story, this is a glimpse into the unknown — and the emotional toll it takes.

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You're listening to a Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account doesn't come from a Bigfoot researcher or a hunter.

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It comes from a father of three, a man who

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thought he was just headed out for a quiet night

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of camping with a buddy. But in the darkness of

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Oregon's mount Hood National Forest, something watched from the creek,

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a glowing red glow stick, a thousand lumin flashlight, and

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something crouched low like a cougar with one glowing yellow eye.

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But when it stood up, everything changed. So this is

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the story of John. In the night he met something

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that defied logic, faith, and gravity. So stay with us,

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all right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking

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to John today. John is an individual I got connected

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to that was wanting to come onto the show to

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share a really interesting encounter that he had in the

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mount Hood National Forest. John's also from Portland, Oregon. So

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welcome to the show. John. How are you doing today?

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Man? Hey, I'm good, honestly, really good, glad to be here.

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I appreciate you having me on the show and being

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able to explained my story. I'm actually really excited to

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get my story out although a little nervous, but I'm

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happy to be.

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Here absolutely, and thank you so much for you know,

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working past that nervousness and you know, getting your story

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out there so others can learn from it and also

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that you know, you can kind of work through it yourself.

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But you know, John, I'm going to go ahead and

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give the floor over to you so that you have

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the time to share what you need to and then

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we'll chat a little bit.

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After that sounds good, all right. So this actually happened

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a few years back now. It was like back in

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the fall of twenty seventeen in the Mounta Hood National Forest.

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I can kind of give you an example of like

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exactly where this is at. You're like heading up on

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that main road on the Highway twenty six through the

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Hoodland Fire District kind of like in Welches, and then

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off to the left there's a road called I Lolo

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Pass Road And basically if you would take a left

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on that road and head out there a few miles,

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it goes out to some like you know, forested area

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lands and stuff, and there's a what was it called

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like some campgrounds and area areas in there, and that's

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kind of like exactly where we were where this took place.

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But just to jump back, so like I work for

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a paint manufacturing company up in north Portland, and I

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have a buddy who used to work with me, doesn't

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work there anymore, but for his privacy persons, I'm gonna

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use his name is Brian. Brian was working with me

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and just one random day it was like I think

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a Thursday, He's like, hey, man, h you got you

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want to go out camping with me? Not really doing

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anything this weekend and maybe we can go camping. And

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I was like, well, yeah, I got I got kids,

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so I'm usually pretty busy on the weekends, but that

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weekend happened to be uh just available. So I was like,

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oh yeah, sure, let's let's go out and do a

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little camp sash. But for me, I was like, I

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can only be out for one night because you know,

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I have I have priorities with weekend and got to

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do grocery shopping and but I decided to go out

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and we went out for a camp sash. So, like

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I said, I drove up, We drove up that highway

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twenty six, went down that I lolo pass road, went

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out there to this campground area and kind of got

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set up. It was after work, so it had probably

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taken place anywhere from around like five to six o'clock,

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still light outside, got everything set up for camp and

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then I remember specifically like I had brought this thermis

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with me that I had made a soup in, and

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I decided to eat that when I got out there,

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because it was like after I was done from work,

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you know, I went home, grabbed all my stuff, got

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it ready, and then headed straight out there. So I

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was like, you know, I wanted to get something to

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eat for dinner, so made a hot soup and a

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thermos and brought it out there with me, and then

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I decided to eat my soup. And then as after

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I ate my soup, unfortunately I didn't sit right in

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my stomach. So I was having like a really pretty

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upset stomach that night. And we were just kind of out.

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We didn't really have too much to do, but I

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told Brian and I was like, hey, man, if you

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don't mind, I'm just gonna lay down for a second

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kind of maybe like, you know, hold my hand over

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my stomach. Is like when I was a kid, my

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Grammy used to explain to me, like, you know, if

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you hold your hand over your stomach or whatever and

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you got like stomach ache, it would feel better. So like,

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but I mean my my stomache was pretty bad that night.

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So I was like, hey, I'm gonna lay down, try

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to feel better, and then you know, maybe we can

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we can do something. He brought a couple of things

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with us to like, you know, like like a piano,

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kind of like one of those electric keyboards to do,

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and you know, just just like random stuff that we

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can kind of hang out and have a good time,

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just two guys hanging out in the woods. But basically,

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like I laid down for a little bit, take a nap,

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and I woke up maybe about an hour hour and

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a half later. It was probably like eight o'clock is

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starting to get dark or it. Actually, if this was

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in the fall, this it would have been kind of

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already dark at that time. But after I took it,

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after I took a nap, I actually felt a lot better.

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So when I got up, he was like, hey, man,

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did you want to you want to hang out or

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you want to do anything? And I was like, well,

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I don't really know there's not much to do right now.

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He's like, well, there's there's this creek running down down

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like this. It's not a ravine, but it kind of

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it's like a gradient that goes down a hill. And

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then you could hear the creek running and I was like, yeah, sure,

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let's find let's go check it out. So I had

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like a little headlamp on me, and then I brought

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a it's a it's a there's a flashlight that I own.

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It's called a shurfire. I'm sure a lot of people

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understand what a shurfire flashlight is in the gun world

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or for you know, certain type of flashlights that are like,

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you know, a little bit on the higher higher end.

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But this was like a thousand women flashlight and it

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was really bright. So I brought that with me as well.

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But we walked down to this little creek. It was

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probably about maybe maybe a quarter of a mile from

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when we're camping, maybe a little bit shorter quarter to

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an eighth of a mile. It wasn't too far down

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the hill. But we got to the creek and he

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was like, hey, I brought a glow stick. I'm gonna

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crack it and like throw it in the water. And why,

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I don't know. We were just hanging out and we're

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kind of bored. We didn't really have too much to do.

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But he decided to bring this little glow stick. So,

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you know, I turned my head lamp off and we

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were staying there in the dark for a second, and

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he proceeded to crack this glow stick. It was like

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a red glow stick and he and he chucks it

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in the water. I turned my surefire flashlight on and

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I I was just trying to see like in the

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direction that he threw the glow stick, to make sure

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that it was like in the land in the water.

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And so I saw, I sat there and I turned

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it on, and then you could see the glow stick

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kind of flying and it flew down into the creek.

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And then this is when I had this is like

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the this is where it gets really really crazy. And

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it was kind of really like shocking to me, and

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it was like eye opening for me. But I'll explain.

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So he cracks a glow stick, he throws it out

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in the water. I turn on my light, I flash

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it into the water, and then just up the creek

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about maybe thirty yards and it was on the other

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side of the creek from where we were standing. I'm

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like looking down, it's like maybe I want to say

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thirty to forty yards. It wasn't too far. I saw

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a glowing eye and it was like close by the water.

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But like this was like, if I could explain a

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little bit better, the light that was flashing directly at

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the water. You know, there's like a little bit of

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an overextent like or the I forget what they call it,

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like the way that it shrouds out you can kind

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of see around like a little bit. And I noticed,

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you know, just kind of like with the light shining. Oh,

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there's like a glowing eye there. So you know, for me,

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I'm like thinking, oh, it's it's some kind of an animal, right,

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But of course my curiosity sparked me, so like I

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took the light off of the glow stick in the

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water and I aimed it directly at this. You know,

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what I thought in the moment was an animal, and

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I was clearly wrong. But let me explain. So this

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this moment that took place probably happened with I would

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say maybe twenty to thirty seconds total time, very very

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very fast, but also very for me at least, it

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was very scary. And I have to be honest with you,

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like I've had kind of like trauma over the years,

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but not like like horrible trauma or anything, but just

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like it was just like a blowing my mind kind

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of a circumstance. So as I'm pointing my light at

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this thing, for what i've like face value from what

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I'm seeing is like this what looks to me like

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almost like a cougar shape of a body, and it's

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really low to the ground and it's like it looks

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like from what I'm what I'm just looking at it,

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it looks like it's like down by the water, amost

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like it's drinking out of the water, right, And So

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got the light on this thing, and I'm like, oh,

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is that a cougar? You know? And I'm asking the

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question like what is this? And then in that moment

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I started to realize that this thing wasn't a cougar

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because this thou was of them in flashlight, like it's

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bright and like when you're directly beaming this light at

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something like it lights it up. Well, this thing was

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like really black, like blacker than black. It was so

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black that it was what, at least in my perception,

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it looked like it was absorbing my flashlight light, Like

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my light couldn't light this thing up. I didn't see

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any detail on it. There was no hair from what

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I could see. It was just like a really dark

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black mass with this glowing eye. And because of the

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direction of like where I was facing it, I was

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looking at it maybe like at a forty five degree angle.

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That kind of makes sense. So this thing's like down

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by the water. And of course, like when I first

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see it, I'm not you know, like in that moment,

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I'm like thinking like, oh, it's an animal. But then

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I start to realize in those that twenty to thirty seconds, like, oh,

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this is not an animal, this is something, this is

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something else. And then from that point it proceeded to

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stand up on like two legs, and when it stood up,

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it was about eight feet tall. And I was like, so,

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like you know when you go on a roller coaster

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and you and you you feel like like your stomach

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sink when you like drop down. That's what it felt like.

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But it was like in my heart when I see

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this thing, It's like my heart sank when this thing

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stood up because I was like, this is not this

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is not what I thought it was at all. This

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is not a cougar. And from what you could see,

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because it wasn't that far like, I could definitely tell

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this wasn't a bear either. This thing was standing up

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on two legs. It had huge four arms like when

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people explain like they seem like this is to me,

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I'm thinking, like, oh my am I looking at a sasquatch.

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Because I could still see the glowing yellow eye. Looks

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like it's sitting on like a head. That didn't seem

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to me like there was a neck. It was like

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a head on giant broad shoulders and like a man's body,

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if that's the best way I can explain it. But

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what was blowing my mind was this thing was so

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black that you could not see anything on it, Like

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there was no detail, There was no fur there. It

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was so black like my light couldn't light it up,

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but it was sticking out like a sore thumb, like

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a sore thumb. Like everything else around it was lit

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up that you could see the trees in the background,

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you could see the creek, you could see, you know,

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the bushes around, But this thing was like black isn't

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like blacker than black, and my light was hitting it,

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but it was just like just showing it, if that

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makes sense. So in that moment, as I'm looking at

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this thing, I'm I'm like telling my friend Brian, I'm like, Brian,

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are you seeing this? Are you seeing this? Because to me,

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like that's that's the only thing I could say in

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that moment, because I was like, I was like starstruck,

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like staring at this thing, like what am I looking at?

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What is going on? Kind of thing? And in my

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prefer I didn't even look at Brian. My peripheral vision,

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I see his head turn and he looks in the

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same direction that I'm looking at, and I got this

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thing like lit up with my light and he literally

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just turns around and runs as fast as he can

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because I could, I mean, I could feel like that fear,

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and I was I was, I was in fear, a

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fear that I've never felt in my entire life. The

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best way I could explain it was just like sudden

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dread or like, yeah, I just felt like whatever this

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thing was was like defying physics that if if I

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could explain that, the best way is like it looked

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originally like it was a cougar, and then it stood

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up like a man. And then that's when I was like,

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what am I seeing here? And then it and in

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that moment and when I had told Brian and he

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starts to run, I'm like, I'm I'm thinking to myself,

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I'm not stam not staying here alone. So I'm I'm

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proceeding to turn and run. But as I'm doing that,

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I can see this thing like get back down on

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the ground, almost like a cougar again, But it wasn't

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a cougar. Is like it was just it was like

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changing its form. If that's the best way I can

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explain It's why, Like you know, at this point, I

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don't even know what I'm I'm dealing with. I don't

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know if this is like an alien. I don't know

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if this is sasquatch. I don't know if this is,

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you know, a skin walker. Because like, after this whole

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experience that I've had, like I tried looking things up

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and I've tried finding answers, and you know, to be honest,

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I've never really found like the full answer. But this

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is like the best way I can explain kind of

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what I saw this thing. Like the scene gets back

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towards the ground and it like, Okay, you've seen Harry

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Potter and in the movie. In Harry Potter, there's a

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the dementors and they like fly around. They're like with

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that black smoke in the you know, you can kind

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of see like the smoke like flying off of them

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and stuff like that. That's this is what happened. It

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went got down on the ground and then it went

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up over the creek like like a dementor. That's the

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best way I can explain it. It was like there's like

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like smoke coming off of it, almost like a cloud.

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And then I'm I'm like, but I'm like turning as

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this is happening right because I'm like, I'm not staying here.

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And there was no splashing in the water, like this

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thing wasn't in the water. It's like over the water,

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like it was hovering over the water. And I could

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this whole time though, like when it's changing into shape,

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I see this glowing eye, this glowing yellow eye. And

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because of the angle that I was at, I don't

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know if it had two eyes, but I could I

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could see the one and it was glowing the whole

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time that my light was lit up on it.

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Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

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Is I didn't I didn't explain earlier in the story though,

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Like I'm religious. I was, I was born or as

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a Christian. But when I've seen this thing, like dude,

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the amount of like fear that it put into me

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was just unlike, I mean, I'm not really scared of anything,

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to be honest, Like I've had experiences in my life

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where you know, I've had fear and stuff like that,

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but that was that was like on another level, like

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it really messed with me. But anyways, I turn, I

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see the thing kind of get up over the creek,

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and I'm like thinking, like the thing's coming for me

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or me and my my friend. So like I turned

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and I ran as fast as I could. I mean,

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my friend already had taken off, you know, so I'm

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like a couple of seconds behind. But by the time

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that we got back to the little campsite and to

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our tent, I met up with him there. So like

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I was running as fast as I could, my friend

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like full fledged dove into the tent and like gets

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in the tent and like starts like getting his sleeping

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bag or whatever. He's like wrestling around in that really loud,

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and I run up to the tent. I don't know why,

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it's just my reaction, but I grabbed the top of

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the tent. I put my bright flashlight on the back

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of my wrist, and I faced it towards the tree

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line that we came out of, where that creek was,

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and I was just peering back and forth, back and forth,

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left and right, left and right, and I'm like, at

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this moment, I'm thinking, like, dude, I'm gonna die because

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it was that intense for me from what I saw.

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And I'm like, I just start yelling out to God. Man, Honestly,

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I start screaming out there in the middle of the

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forest at night. I'm like, God, I need you right now.

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I rebuke whatever this is in the niemajus and blodget.

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I start praying and yelling because I'm like, and I

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have kids, Like at this time, I had three kids.

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I have four kids now, but at this time kids,

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and I'm I'm just thinking to myself, like, if this

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scene comes after me, dude, and you know, this might

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be the last time I'm going to see my kids.

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Or you know, I didn't know what to expect. I

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didn't know what was going to actually happen, but I

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just knew that whatever this was, it was like defying

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physics and the laws of gravity, and it blew my mind.

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Like it just it's insane, like having me having you

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explain the story. It sounds insane. I know it does.

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But this is exactly what I saw. And I know

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that the guy that I was with saw it as well,

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because once he saw it, he was immediately scared, like

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he ran, I mean he ran. And so from that point,

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I'm like, I'm sitting there for like fifteen I probably

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a good fifteen minutes, man, just peering this light back

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and forth, back and forth, and I'm praying. I you know,

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maybe after five or six minutes, I stopped yelling. I

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was yelling, dude, cause I'm thinking, like I'm going to die.

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That's the best way I can explain it. Like I was,

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I had so much like adrenaline and fear pumping into

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my body because of what I just experienced and seen

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that I just thought, you know, hey, this might be

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the end, and like I'm going to make sure that

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I'm you know, as a religious guy that like, I'm

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trying to make it right with God or whatever, you know,

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because I'm just waiting for this thing to come out

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of that tree line and come up to us and

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whatever is going to happen. Thankfully, nothing came out of

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that tree line. And uh, probably about after fifteen minutes

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of just sitting there and praying, I jumped into the

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tent and I zipped up the tent, and uh. The

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for the people that I've told this story too, like

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my closest like relatives and you know, a couple of

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my close friends, you know, they've always asked me, like,

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why don't you guys just go to the car and

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get out of there. And I'm like, yeah, it's a

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good point. But like the car was like an eighth

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of a mile up the road and parked on the

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side of a you know, on a little like dirt road,

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and like, you know, we're basically out in the middle

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of the forest, and like in that moment, I didn't

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want to be out, you know, in the middle of

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the forest and the darkness, even even with that light,

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like I felt like I was, I felt pretty powerless

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to that thing, whatever that was, to be honest, and

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so I just got in that tent man and I

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lay down and I I just started praying some more.

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That's all. That's all I could really do with. I'll

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just praying, praying and praying, praying to God and you know,

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repenting and you know, asking for forgiveness. And I'm just thinking, like, dude,

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because like this could be this could be it for me.

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And then uh, probably, I don't know, maybe twenty minutes

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of laying in the tent is just quiet. But I'm

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you know, I'm praying to myself and my friend goes, hey, John,

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and I'm like yeah, and he's like, do we see

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a demon? And I didn't mention this earlier in the

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story too, sorry, But this guy doesn't believe in God.

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I don't think he's ever really had any like, you know,

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crazy experience in his life or that must have been

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like the crazy experience he ever had or seen. But

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he asked me if we've seen a deman? And for

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somebody who doesn't like believe in God, for him to

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ask me that, I thought that was pretty pretty eye opening.

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But I go, I go, yeah, Brian, something along those lines. Yeah,

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But I don't I don't really know what that was

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and then I I don't even realize that I fell asleep,

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but I fell asleep. At some point. I woke up

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in the morning and I just like, oh, man, I

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can't even tell you how it was like drained I

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felt when I woke up. I just felt like I

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didn't really get a good sleep at all. And then,

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you know, my first impression was like, Okay, it's light outside,

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so like, let me get out of the tent and like,

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you know, check the surrounding area, and I seen people

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out there, like hiking and stuff, and I was like, oh,

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thank god, there's other people out here, you know, because

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I just felt like, I don't know, I felt like

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even though I was there with my friend Brian, I

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felt like I was pretty alone still because when you

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when you experience something like that, it's just kind of like, man,

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it was just really intense, if I if I could say,

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it was like really intense for me, and I didn't

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really know like what I was I still to this

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day don't really know what I was dealing with there,

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but I definitely know what I saw, and I definitely

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like with that flashlight that I had, like I do

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I stand behind that flashlight because I think it's so

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bright and it's and it works so good. But I

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saw this thing so like clearly but without without like

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all like you know, like the fur and all that.

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I couldn't see any of that. I just seen how

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how how clearly this thing popped out in that light,

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like it was so bright, but yet it was because

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it stuck out like a sore thumb with how dark

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it was, but yet it was like absorbing the light

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because you couldn't like you couldn't see anything on it

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that if that makes sense. And so that's pretty much

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my story. So from that moment, like I went home

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that day after you know, camping, and I uh called

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pretty much all my family, like my closest relative like

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my dad, my mom, my brother, and sister, and I

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told him my, hey, I love you guys. You know,

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I'm like, you know, because I honestly like I thought

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that I that in that in that moment that I

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had experienced that night, I thought I was going to die.

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I really did. I thought like that this was probably

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going to be the end because whatever that was was

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like like I said, it's defying like gravity and the

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laws of physics and stuff, and it was just like dude.

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It was huge. It was It was like eight foot tall.

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When it stood up, it was like it looked like

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a giant man but with you know, but it was

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so black. It was like a black mass. But you

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could see the you could see it was like in

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the shape of a man's body, you know. And I'm like,

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what the is this a sasquatch? You know, is this

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was a sasquatch supposed to be? I have no idea

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because a lot of people out there like stories I hear,

456
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you know, they say it's a physical being and stuff

457
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:44.599
like that. But this, to me, in that moment, it

458
00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:49.279
didn't really seem like super physical. It seemed almost like,

459
00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:52.960
I don't know, like I like spiritual, I guess in

460
00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.720
a way, but I could be wrong. I mean, there

461
00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:57.880
there could be some physical aspects to it, but it just,

462
00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:59.799
you know, the way that I had seen it, in

463
00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:03.119
the way that it stood up and everything, like, you know,

464
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.000
it's weird, and I didn't It didn't make any noise.

465
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.400
That's another thing. I noticed that it was very quiet,

466
00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:09.400
didn't make any noise. Even when it came up over

467
00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:11.839
the water like it did. There was no like splashing

468
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:13.680
in the water or anything. I didn't hear like any

469
00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:18.119
real noise coming from it, but insane, insane to see

470
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.039
something like that, And that was like the last thing

471
00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:23.920
that I would ever expect to see in the Mountahad

472
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.200
National Forest. And like, I've heard stories and I've seen

473
00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.880
things and like, but this only like sparked now my

474
00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:32.079
curiosity more to where like, you know, I'm sure you

475
00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:36.160
know about David Politis, you know, the guy who you

476
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.160
know does like the missing fore and wands and all that,

477
00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:39.920
and you know, like that I got I got kind

478
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:41.559
of like heavily into that because I'm like, dude, if

479
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:44.119
there's things like that out there, that that that's a

480
00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:46.440
good reason why people will probably go missing, you know,

481
00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.480
because whatever that thing was, dude, it was it was

482
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:53.200
not human. If you know it was not it didn't.

483
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.119
It wasn't an animal either, because like I would have

484
00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:56.799
known if it was a black bear. I've seen black

485
00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.680
bear in the wild, I would have known. You know,

486
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:02.079
I hunt, I've you know, fish, and I've seen cougar,

487
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.960
I've seen coyotes. You know this is this was not

488
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.759
any of those things, man, And it was just really

489
00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:15.680
insane to see. But that's my story, So John, that.

490
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:19.319
Is wild that is, that is some wild stuff. That

491
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:20.839
area is pretty intense too.

492
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:22.599
Yeah.

493
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:29.039
I have some questions for you, for sure. Some of

494
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:34.240
them might be about your religious background. If that's all right, Yeah,

495
00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:39.640
that's problem. What denomination would you say you best associate with.

496
00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.160
I would just say I'm just more of like a Christian,

497
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.319
but I don't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't really put like

498
00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.359
a denomination on my Christianity, if that makes sense, Like

499
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.559
I'm not like Presbyterian or you know, I'm not. I'm

500
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.599
just more like, I believe in God. We follow the Bible,

501
00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.640
you know, for the most for the most, Like the

502
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:02.039
best way I can explain is like I'm not I'm

503
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.880
not like a hardcore you know, like got to go

504
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.079
to you know, church every Sunday, and but you know,

505
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:10.079
I would like to go to church. It's hard to

506
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:13.000
find really decent churches here. I know that there are some,

507
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:17.400
but it's hard in the you know, o'reg and I

508
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.759
feel like just because it's based on views and stuff,

509
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:21.880
and you know how people kind of like you know,

510
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.319
might might change some of the ways that you perceive

511
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:27.240
things and stuff, and you know, what's accepted and what's

512
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:30.279
not accepted. But like I believe in God. You know,

513
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:35.039
I read the Bible, I have attended churches, talk to

514
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:38.039
my family about God. We get together and do prayer

515
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.680
groups here and there, or you know, we'll talk just

516
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:46.759
just things about the Bible and you know questions. Yeah,

517
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:47.559
that's pretty much it.

518
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.559
Yeah, absolutely, you know I believe in the the the

519
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:54.880
stuff that really matters. You know, Jesus Christ died on

520
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.599
the cross for our sins, rose again after three days,

521
00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:58.519
all that good stuff.

522
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:00.160
Absolutely.

523
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:08.079
Absolutely. The next question, we'll see if it applies. Do

524
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.799
you did you have a pastor at all or anyone

525
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.519
you talked to at that time?

526
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.920
No, because at that time, at that time, I was

527
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.920
going through I wouldn't say, like a really rough patch.

528
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.799
I had gone through a divorce and I was still

529
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:28.119
kind of dealing with like custody with my kids and stuff.

530
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:29.720
So like that was kind of like a rougher time.

531
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:31.640
I wasn't really going to church, but I was praying

532
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.839
a lot, and you know, with my family a lot.

533
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.359
But no, I didn't. I wasn't really attending church at

534
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:39.799
that time, so I didn't have a pastor to go

535
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.119
and talk to you about my experience.

536
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.279
Gotcha. My next question was actually going to be what

537
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.720
was the traumatic event that was happening right before or

538
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:54.160
during that time? And you just answered it You're you're

539
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.519
dealing with a divorce at that time.

540
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:00.160
Well, yeah, I mean, sorry, I shouldn't say. No, I

541
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.799
got divorced a few years prior to that. It was

542
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.279
mostly a custody of my kids. I was going through

543
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.759
a pretty heavy, like custody deal. But like you know

544
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:13.799
that only I mean, I still got to see my

545
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:17.319
kids and you know, got to be with them, and

546
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.559
it's not it wasn't like anything super heavy, but that

547
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.319
that's kind of like the I wouldn't say anything traumatic

548
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.079
outside of that, but that I mean for some people,

549
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:27.960
Like I wouldn't say that that was a traumatic event

550
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.319
for me, but it was a hard a hard thing

551
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.000
to deal with. It's hard not to you know, see

552
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.680
your kids, you know, maybe once a week at a time,

553
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:39.039
and you know it's like the just the workings in

554
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.160
and out of the court system and having to kind

555
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.759
of you know, be there every court you know, date

556
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:47.519
and dealing with lawyers and the different judges and you

557
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.200
know it's just a I guess it's more stress than anything.

558
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:55.359
But yeah, absolutely, I mean that one was more for

559
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:59.599
me because just something I've been really realizing over the

560
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.960
years is that there seems to be common threads in

561
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:09.000
these sightings, and one of them is that usually individuals

562
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:13.839
that have a sighting in the same timeframe or just before,

563
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.839
they're going through a situation where it's usually you know,

564
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:20.599
they've lost a loved one, something like a divorce, is

565
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.599
something that that kind of throws them for loop, right,

566
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:26.960
And I don't know if it either, you know, maybe

567
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:31.480
maybe the creature is drawn to the signals that the

568
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:35.480
person is throwing off. You know, a human I believe

569
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.599
can throw off what's called chemo signals when there's a

570
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.640
traumatic event, things like that, And you know, I think

571
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:43.640
there's a lot we might not know there, but it

572
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.000
is something I'm kind of looking into. On the side.

573
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:50.519
That's pretty fascinating. Fascinating that you mentioned that, yeah, because

574
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.319
I'm curious to know if, like, yeah, that might be

575
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.960
like traumatic events in people's lives which maybe would open

576
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.200
the door to some of those things. I would say

577
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:01.759
that is interesting.

578
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.680
Yeah, it's It's something I've been trying to look because

579
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:07.799
my wife brought it up. We talked about bigfoot every

580
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.039
once in a while and she's like, well, maybe it's

581
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.160
chemo signals. And I was like, what are you talking about?

582
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.240
And she's like, well, it's kind of like usually talked

583
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:19.000
about in the dog world, you know. And I was like, oh,

584
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.160
maybe there's something there, So I'm going to start looking

585
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.119
more into that. But some questions about you know, the

586
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:26.599
what you actually saw that night.

587
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.400
Yeah, did you.

588
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.240
Notice anything about the length of the arms at all?

589
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.440
Yeah? They were long. Like I would say, like if

590
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.079
I was to stand up, you're like, yeah, straight up right,

591
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.559
I'm gonna do it right now if I just stand

592
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.039
straight up right, like my my hands reached about you know,

593
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.240
maybe a little bit past my hips. This thing was

594
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.240
probably down lower the lower than its knees, like they're huge.

595
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.599
But the four I know, it's the forearms. Like the

596
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.279
the shape of the forms, they were massive, like like

597
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.240
this thing had like super grip strength or something, you know,

598
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.759
like just like a like somebody hit a gym, you know,

599
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.839
and like was working on forums all the time kind

600
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.680
of like do this thing was just it looks really strong,

601
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.440
like I could just see that. But what's funny is

602
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:13.720
like I know, and now it sounds like count counter intuitive,

603
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.440
but like I couldn't see the detail on the but

604
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.119
I could tell, like by the shape, you know, You're like, dude,

605
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.079
that thing's jacked, you know, Like I could I could

606
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.200
tell that thing was. It looked very strong, if that

607
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:25.640
makes sense.

608
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.480
No, absolutely, So it's kind of like how Popeye had

609
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:30.279
like huge forearms like that kind of.

610
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:32.839
Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

611
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.000
Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

612
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.799
Yeah, that's that's kind of like what I thought when

613
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.480
I saw that. I was like, oh crap, I think

614
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.839
is whatever that thing is? I mean, it's still there

615
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:05.200
just even talking to like me talking about it. I

616
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:06.759
don't know, just I feel a certain way, you know.

617
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.319
I'm like, I'm thinking in the back of my mind,

618
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:10.400
like you know, people are gonna chastise me or they're like,

619
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:12.480
what a what a a bunch of belogny, But dude,

620
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.640
I know what I saw. I would take that to

621
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.640
my grave, Like, I mean, I had enough time to

622
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.160
look at that thing, even though it was like the

623
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.599
twenty to thirty seconds, like I had enough time to

624
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.960
realize what was going on, and even though it didn't

625
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.440
make a lot of sense to me because I've never

626
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.799
experienced that before, Like I could see exactly what was happening,

627
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.480
you know, because that light, the light lit it up

628
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.440
so well. But but it was so black it like

629
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.759
stuck out like a sore thumb, you know. And I

630
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:38.960
know if like I've mentioned that already, but it's like

631
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.519
that you could see it so well because of how

632
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.599
black it was. It was like, oh wow, like what

633
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:45.440
is this thing?

634
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:53.480
You know, what was this sound like in the forest

635
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.680
or that area when you were actually in the same

636
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.279
area or right before you saw that whatever it was.

637
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.079
I would say, right outside of like the sounds of

638
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.079
the water running in the creek, it was a very

639
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.480
quiet night. Didn't really hear much going on outside of

640
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:14.000
that water running in the creek. It was pretty quiet,

641
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.559
very pretty quiet. Like I felt like I was making

642
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.200
a lot of noise walking through there. But I mean

643
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:21.839
outside of the water in the creek, you know, like

644
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:24.279
it was pretty quiet that night.

645
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:30.279
Did you notice any weird smells at all around that area?

646
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.359
I don't from what I remember, I didn't catch a

647
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.039
weird smell. I know, I've like from what I've seen

648
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:41.599
in other you know, people's experiences and videos, Yeah, they

649
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.519
say that you can smell. I didn't catch a smell.

650
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.079
To be honest with you, I didn't smell anything like

651
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.920
out of the ordinary. It was. It was weird to

652
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.039
me because, oh, I will mention this when I did

653
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.920
originally like hit it with my light, though I startled it.

654
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.799
I could tell because when I when I shine my

655
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:01.960
light directly on it, I mean, it's a bright light. Man,

656
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:03.640
if you're standing out in the dark and you gave

657
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.799
with that thing like, it's gonna blind your eyes. But

658
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.440
when I hit when I hit my light on it,

659
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.319
I could see that it like I startled it, if

660
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:13.119
that makes sense. Like it it looked like it did

661
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.440
like a little shake and then it and then that's

662
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.200
when it stood up.

663
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.880
Okay, that's very Yeah, that's strange. So it's on the ground,

664
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.039
does a little kind of shake thing and then stands

665
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:28.400
up to eight feet tall.

666
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.960
Yeah, and it and it. The best way I can

667
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.759
explain is, like, you know, I couldn't see the amount

668
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.319
of detail for like, you know, it's like laying on

669
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.920
the ground like a man. It looked for me like

670
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.279
when I was looking at it, it looked like a cougar.

671
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:44.039
I was like, oh, there's a cougar here. But then

672
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.119
I started to realize like within seconds, like, oh, this

673
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.359
is not a cougar. This is like completely this thing

674
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.799
looks like a like a like a panther because it's

675
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.680
so black, and I didn't see like a tail or anything,

676
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:56.880
but it looked like in a shape of like like

677
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.359
almost like a cat would be laying down like or

678
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.400
a sphinx kind of like you know, it's laying down,

679
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.000
it's got his paws and like the head is like

680
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.559
down by the water. That's what it kind of looked like.

681
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.559
And that's why I immediately my brain thought like, oh,

682
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.920
it's it's probably a cougar. But I'm like and then

683
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:11.519
I start to realize, like, you know, my light is

684
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.159
directly shining on this thing, and there's no, it's not brown.

685
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:18.280
You know, I don't see like whiskers or I don't

686
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.559
see a tail. I just see like the shape of

687
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.639
its like body. And then and then that's when it

688
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.679
went to like a it went from the ground and

689
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.920
like it moved up like but it like, God, how

690
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:31.639
can I explain it? Is it? Like you could just

691
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:33.679
it didn't like you know, it didn't get up like

692
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:35.239
it was like a person getting up off the ground

693
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.400
or anything. It like just went straight up like it

694
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.239
was like it formed up straight, like like it was

695
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.960
standing straight up from a from a laying down position.

696
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:45.519
I can't if that's the best way I can explain it.

697
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.119
And then as my heart just sank when I saw that,

698
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.119
I was like whoa, you know, cause like out of

699
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.280
anything to see something like that, like you would not

700
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.800
expect to ever see something like that, you know. And

701
00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:59.639
then like that was the first time that I'd ever

702
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:05.400
really seeing something like that in person. Like I've seen things,

703
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.480
I've experienced things, but that was on another level. You know.

704
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:13.440
I've like heard things in my life, heard weird noises

705
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:17.159
and sounds. I've had a couple of experiences, but that

706
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:19.239
that was like mind blowing for me because it was

707
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.320
like I was looking directly at this thing. I had

708
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.360
this light directly on it. It was lit up. I mean,

709
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.599
this thing stood up like a man and it was big,

710
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.559
and I was like, well, I was more like I

711
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:33.639
wasn't like what I was almost like cursing in my

712
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:35.679
mind because I was I couldn't believe what I was

713
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.840
witnessing at that moment. And then I almost felt like

714
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.320
am I losing my mind? You know? I felt like

715
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.079
you kind of feel crazy, you know, you're seeing something

716
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.719
like that. And that's why I had to like ask

717
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.320
my friend, like, dude, are you seeing this? Or I

718
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:48.960
either said, Brian, are you seeing this? Or you seeing this?

719
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.320
That's all I could say because I was so like

720
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.480
stuck on, like just staring at this thing, like what

721
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:59.920
am I seeing? Yeah? Dude, it was. It was intense,

722
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.239
really intense for me because it was like it was

723
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.840
so close. It was close it was it wasn't far,

724
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.599
it was close enough to like really see what was happening,

725
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.679
and that light really lit it up, you know, like

726
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.440
there was no denying what I was seeing. But I

727
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.039
can't really also explain exactly what I was seeing because

728
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.800
I've never seen something like that. So I'm just giving

729
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.480
you the best explanation of what I can what I saw,

730
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:24.239
you know.

731
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:29.800
Yeah, so just to clarify you, definitely were not able

732
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:33.039
to see any details of the face because of like

733
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.119
how just how black it was.

734
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:41.480
Right besides that, besides that that eyeball. I could see

735
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.920
the eyeball very clearly, like it was like it was

736
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:47.960
like almost like a neon yellow glowing eye. I mean

737
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.199
it that that is the first thing that I saw,

738
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.599
and it was like off of just like the uh,

739
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.920
the flood of the light. I could see a glowing eye.

740
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:57.760
And that's why I originally thought like, oh, it's an animal,

741
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:59.440
and let me see what kind of animal this is.

742
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:01.880
And then I'm like pointing my light directly at it.

743
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:03.599
And then I was just like, oh, crap, this is

744
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.360
not an animal. What's this? And it stood up and

745
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.280
then that's when I was just like mind blown right

746
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.079
in that moment, like this is I've never this, I've

747
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:16.800
never seen something like this before that flashlight that I have.

748
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.159
I still have this flashlight. It is a bright flashlight,

749
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.559
especially when you're in the darkness. Like you know, you

750
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.960
turn a light on in the day, you know, you

751
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:27.440
can tell it's a it's a bright light. But you're

752
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.519
standing out in the forest at night and you turn

753
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.000
that thing on, Oh you can see it's great, like

754
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:34.039
you know, and I'm not talking about like far far away,

755
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.679
you know, good like fifty fifty yards in front of you.

756
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.400
You can see no problems like it lights it up

757
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.840
like you know, almost like daylight. And so when I

758
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:46.159
lit that thing up like I could, I could see

759
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:48.159
I could see it so well. But it was like

760
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.400
sticking out like a sore thumb, so well, if that

761
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.639
makes sense. But yeah, I could never see any real

762
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.079
detail on it. I didn't see fur. I didn't see

763
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.079
you know, like skin or I didn't I didn't see

764
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:04.280
anything on it. But I was looking really hard, like

765
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.440
I was very because of because of what I was witnessing.

766
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.760
I was like very like on like my eyes were

767
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:11.760
on this thing, and I was like staring at it,

768
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.280
you know, for that good twenty thirty seconds, trying to

769
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.159
figure out what I was, you know, witnessing it was.

770
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.719
It was wild man, just seeing that just and that

771
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:24.480
that kind of like opened up my whole because I'm like,

772
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.679
I'm I'm thirty four, about to be thirty five now

773
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.880
in that kind of like now that I'm at this age,

774
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.719
I'm like, wow, you know, like anything is technically possible

775
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:37.800
in my eyes, like not anything, but you know what

776
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.519
I'm saying, Like it's like the older I get and

777
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.679
like having experience like that, you start to realize, like,

778
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.519
you know, there's a lot that we probably really don't

779
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:46.639
know about this world and like what's going on, and

780
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.000
you know, experiences that are happening.

781
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:55.239
So yeah, the the yellow of the eye that you

782
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.920
saw have you ever seen anything else that is that

783
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.199
same shade of yellow.

784
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.880
I would say not quite that it was. It was

785
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:08.800
like a bright neon yellow, like almost like it was

786
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.960
lit up, you know, like it was like, I mean,

787
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.360
i've i've i've I've been in the wild and like

788
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.960
at night, I've lit up deer, you know, with lights

789
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.400
and you can see the glowing in their eyes. I've

790
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.480
I've lit up cats and you can see the glowing

791
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.440
in their eyes. But that it was a different type

792
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:29.039
of glow in that eye. It was very bright and

793
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.480
it was like I'm pretty sure it was the light

794
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.239
shining in the eye. You know. That's at least that's

795
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.079
from what I could tell, you know, but I mean

796
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:41.199
it was bright like it you could see that eyeball

797
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:42.920
and when it stood up, like you could see that

798
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.480
eyeball go up like when it was standing up, but

799
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.639
you could see it move up on the on what

800
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.960
looked like the head. You know, if I can be

801
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.960
explain that this was, dude is wild. Oh my goodness.

802
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.800
Could you see anything about the hands, uh, that were

803
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.159
out of the arms?

804
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.639
I would say there was hands, but I couldn't see

805
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.039
a lot of detail in the hands. Now I would say,

806
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.679
there was like fingers, yes, but it was like because

807
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:16.119
the thing was so black, dude, it just blows my mind.

808
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.760
Like when my light is directly on this thing, you

809
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.440
would imagine to see detail, right, you would imagine to

810
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.639
see fur and you but it was almost like so

811
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:29.440
black that like my light wasn't penetrating whatever that was.

812
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.360
And that was so mind blowing to me because I'm like,

813
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:36.760
how is this light not lighting this thing up? It's

814
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.320
it's just insane.

815
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.119
Were there any footprints around the tents when you guys

816
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:45.239
got up the next morning?

817
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:48.920
To be honest, I didn't even try to go look.

818
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.440
I was. I was so I was in like I

819
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.239
was like, we need to pack up and go. I'm

820
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.039
ready to leave. It was such an intense night. Although

821
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.519
although I did think about it, you know, like when

822
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.360
we were heading out out there, like if there was

823
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.719
any signs or anything else out there, like you know,

824
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:10.559
potential footprints and stuff. And I definitely thought about it,

825
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.880
but I didn't. I didn't really have the I don't know,

826
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.679
just I wasn't intrigued in that moment because it was

827
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:20.000
such an intense night for me, and I thought, you know,

828
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:21.719
I thought I was going to die that night. So

829
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:24.280
in my mind when I woke up and I was like,

830
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:26.320
I realize I'm still alive. I'm thankful to be alive,

831
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:28.079
and like I just want to go to here. Yeah,

832
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.119
I'm ready to go kind of thing. Absolutely, it makes

833
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.400
makes total sense. Did were there? Was there anything that

834
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.320
had happened to your car? Uh, damaged anyway, or any

835
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:43.719
like handprints on the windows anything like that. No, to

836
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.039
be honest, not that I noticed. I didn't. I didn't.

837
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:48.719
I mean I looked at my car when we walked.

838
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:50.440
I had a truck. I had looked at my truck.

839
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.480
I didn't see any anything major, like you know, anything

840
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.239
that stuck out. You know, it was a little dirty,

841
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:58.880
but it wasn't. I didn't see like handprints or anything.

842
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:04.960
No, how could you tell that it had what you

843
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.679
called similar to a man's body.

844
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.239
It was definitely like in a standing upright position. There

845
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:14.920
was it looked to me like there was a chest

846
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:18.239
and like you know, an abdomen. I mean, but the

847
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.000
shape of it, like I couldn't see like abs or

848
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.880
like hair. It looked like just the shape like it

849
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.239
looked like a man standing there, but a big man,

850
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.159
like a really big dude. Like a jacked stripe. I mean,

851
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.159
I would say, if I was to if I was

852
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.519
to give you the best example, it looked like a sasquatch.

853
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:36.519
That's why you know, I wanted to come on here

854
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:38.199
and tell my story because it looked to me like

855
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:42.480
a sasquatch. It was huge, like broad shoulder like you know,

856
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:47.760
just big, kind of wide chest and shoulders and you know,

857
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.280
giant forearms, and you know, it looked like a giant

858
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.119
legs too, Like the legs looked really thick, like like

859
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:57.559
like little tree trunk legs. Dude, like this thing was huge.

860
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.800
Whatever it was, it was huge. And from it from

861
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:02.840
what was weird to me though, from the position that

862
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:04.559
it was on the ground to the standing up it

863
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:11.039
it definitely I would say, the size comparison definitely changed,

864
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.519
Like from from what it was on the ground. Didn't

865
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.199
didn't look as big on the ground until it stood up.

866
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.280
And then when it stood up, I realized, like, holy crowd,

867
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:19.800
this is a lot bigger than I thought it was.

868
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:25.440
You know. But dude, like the whole up up coming

869
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.039
over to the over the water too, and it like

870
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.320
there was like that it looked kind of like smoke.

871
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:32.360
The best way I can explain it like there was

872
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.559
like almost like smoke coming off of it, but it wasn't.

873
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.039
I don't think it was smoke. But yeah, it's the

874
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:39.400
best way I can explain it. Like you know, like

875
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:41.440
the dementor things and Harry Potter they fly around the

876
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:46.639
like that that stuff trailing off the the apparition or whatever.

877
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:51.639
That's kind of what it looked like to me. Insane.

878
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.840
It's very just it's a very unique account. I don't

879
00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.920
think I've gotten one that where like hover over the

880
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:06.239
water smoke coming out of that's very very unique. Have

881
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:07.559
you ever been back to that area.

882
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.679
I did go back one time in the day, but

883
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.960
the bridge was closed to get across to the to

884
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.159
like the campground area, and I was I was okay

885
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.039
with that because I was actually my significant other that

886
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.000
I'm with now. She I just kind of wanted her to,

887
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:27.400
you know, go out there and kind of see where

888
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.480
I was, and I was I wasn't gonna take her

889
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.440
like to the direct spot, but in that same kind

890
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.119
of vicinity. And when we went out there, the gate

891
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:35.880
was like closed to go out there, and I was like,

892
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.000
I'm totally cool with that, to be honest, because I

893
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:43.159
don't really. It was pretty traumatic for me. I would

894
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.400
say probably from the months trailing after that experience, I

895
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.880
was I was having you know, some dreams and like

896
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:56.239
just feeling very like vulnerable, Like you know, I walk

897
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.519
out of my house to go to work in the

898
00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.599
morning and I'm just like, you know, head on a

899
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.400
swivel kind of thing, like I don't know, just it

900
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:05.400
really messed with me, man, It really messed with my

901
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.719
like my conscience, and you know, I pray to God

902
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:10.559
about it a lot, you know, and I'm like, you know,

903
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:12.760
why did I have this experience? And you know, I

904
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:14.800
don't really feel like God kind of gave me an

905
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:19.079
answer at least, like you know, like an answer that

906
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:21.679
would be like super understanding for myself. I'm just trying

907
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:23.800
to like, you know, maybe there's a reason for it,

908
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.000
or maybe you know, is to have me kind of

909
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:30.280
like understand that there is more and you know, but yeah,

910
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.880
it's I just I still to this day, I don't

911
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.960
really know what that was. But I mean, I'm trying

912
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.519
to give you as much, you know, of an explanation

913
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:40.119
as I can.

914
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.280
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

915
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:04.079
Was a gosh, it was. It was the scariest thing

916
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:07.000
I've ever experienced. And like, like I told you that

917
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.679
that feeling that it gave me, like that that heart set,

918
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.280
I've never felt that in my life, like that, you know,

919
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.880
that stomach drop feeling, but in your heart, Like I

920
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:18.920
felt like my heart got weak after seeing that thing.

921
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:21.039
And that's the best way I can explain it.

922
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:27.519
Wow. Yeah, have you used different there's a few different

923
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:29.920
sites where you can look up on maps to see

924
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:31.960
if there's been sightings. Have you ever looked in that

925
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.480
tried to look in that exact area where you were

926
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.599
and see if there's anything else that happen there.

927
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.400
Uh No, I can't say I've specifically done that, but

928
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.679
I have. I have like looked into like the missing

929
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.320
forum ones and and I've heard that there's cases of

930
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.760
missing people in the mount Hood National Forest. So and

931
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.199
I'm like, I'm like, well, dude, I mean if if

932
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.079
what I saw was along the lines of why those

933
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.920
people are missing, I would totally believe that's why. Like that,

934
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:03.119
I mean, that thing was defining gravity by going up

935
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.159
over that creek water, you know, and like from it

936
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:07.840
being on the ground is standing up Like I'm like,

937
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.880
do this thing as like I don't know, shape shifting,

938
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.599
that's the best, you know, like maybe that was a

939
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.920
skin walker. I don't know, but it blew my mind

940
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.760
seeing that, and still to this day, just like what

941
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.599
did I really actually see? You know, I know what

942
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.199
I saw, but like what really was that? And I'm

943
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.880
curious about it, But I also don't like really want

944
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.519
to delve into that. Like every every time I ever

945
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.239
go out to the forest and Mark, I still go out,

946
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.280
but like far and few between these days. But I

947
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.360
mean I'm always caring, you know, just as an added

948
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.239
you know, preventative. And I honestly don't think that it

949
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.119
would have done anything to that thing anyways, because kind

950
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.880
of what I saw, I couldn't see through that thing.

951
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:53.000
But I mean that thing did not seem like physical

952
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:55.239
like me and you. It definitely seemed like there was

953
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.960
something else going on there. And uh, I don't really

954
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.039
know if like a bullet would even and stop something

955
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:03.039
like that, you know, but I could be wrong, I mean,

956
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.559
but I would still I would still rather like anytime

957
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.400
that I ever venture out into the forest like that

958
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:13.880
or something, I would rather always be, you know, in

959
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.119
a position where I could like defend myself, I guess

960
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.000
because in that when I was there that night, I

961
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.280
had a I brought a knife that was in my bag,

962
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.639
but it was in the tent. I wasn't, you know,

963
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.960
because that was the last thing I would have ever

964
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.880
expected to happen. And then after that I could I

965
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.199
kind of like changed my life and my whole outlook

966
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.679
and view on going out in the forest. And you

967
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:33.199
know what I'm.

968
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:37.360
Saying, Oh, yeah, I mean you have protection, maybe even

969
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.880
some sort of beacon type thing. I mean, you you

970
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.920
never know, especially out in that area. I mean, the

971
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:48.000
day hike can turn into something else really quickly, for sure.

972
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.320
Yeah. Absolutely.

973
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.679
You mentioned really quick something that I was actually going

974
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:59.599
to ask about eventually, just because of things that I've

975
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:03.679
experience myself. After going out to Oregon. You mentioned that

976
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:09.280
you start having some some dreams after this occurred. Would

977
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:12.320
you be able to describe what those dreams were like

978
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:13.599
that you were having.

979
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.400
Yeah, I mean, I'm just gonna be honest with you.

980
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:22.119
I had a dream what I perceived was I think hell,

981
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.079
that was one of the dreams that really stood out.

982
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:28.000
The other dreams that I had were just more or

983
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.199
less like just feeling very vulnerable. I guess kind of

984
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:36.079
like you know, like something bad's going to happen, or

985
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.880
like you know, like world War three is going to

986
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.360
break out, or you know something like you know, devastating

987
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:42.719
is about to have It's kind of like those kind

988
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.280
of dreams. But like I had a specific dream after

989
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.639
that instance, and it was probably a few months later

990
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.320
about what I believe was hell because I like woke

991
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:55.519
up in like a basically like a black cave. And

992
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:57.599
I mean the detail in that dream was insane to

993
00:49:57.639 --> 00:49:59.559
me because I woke up like sweat. I woke up

994
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:03.159
in a pool sweat. I don't know if you want

995
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:04.280
me to do you want to explain the dream?

996
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.639
Yeah, if it's something that you feel comfortable doing, so yeah,

997
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:10.320
go ahead.

998
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.039
Yeah sure. So basically my dream, this is just a

999
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.239
random dream. You know. It's like, you know, people have

1000
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.119
random dreams all the time, but this is I was

1001
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:23.280
just a random dream. So I woke up and in

1002
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:26.280
my dream, I felt like I was in like a

1003
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:29.239
very open what felt to me like was a cave,

1004
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.119
and I when I woke up, I was like laying

1005
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:35.719
on a rock and I'm like, I'm when you know,

1006
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.039
how you wake up and you're kind of coming to

1007
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.239
and you're like, you know, where am I at? Like

1008
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.559
what's going on? That's kind of like my situation in

1009
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:43.840
this dream. I was like kind of just getting up

1010
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:45.159
and I could feel like I was on this rock

1011
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.960
and I'm like not in a comfortable position, you know,

1012
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.639
and I'm like, oh, what the heck is? Like what's

1013
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:54.360
going on here? And try to breathe? And I realized

1014
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.480
that that the error wherever I was was really hot,

1015
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.679
like really hot, Like I didn't want to breathe normal.

1016
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:03.760
I wanted to kind of like perch my lips or

1017
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.599
pierce my lips together kind of to breathe. And like

1018
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.760
I started like asking myself questions in my dream, like

1019
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:12.159
like I know, I went to bed in my bed

1020
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:13.679
like this is this has got to be a dream.

1021
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:15.599
Like I was even telling myself this in my dream.

1022
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:22.519
And in this dream, I'm starting to hear like what

1023
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:26.480
sounds to me? Like I was like scary sounds like

1024
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:29.000
like a demonic sound like or evil like kind of

1025
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.880
growling and you know, you know, kind of like a

1026
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.239
deep voiced like being. And I'm like in this black

1027
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.360
cave and it's pitch black at least that's that's what

1028
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.440
I can explain, and I'm like, Okay, if if I

1029
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:44.079
got here, you know, if if I got here somehow,

1030
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.880
then there's probably there's got to be a way for

1031
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:47.400
me to get out of this place. This is what

1032
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:48.880
I was telling myself. But I was like, I know,

1033
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:51.599
I went to bed in my bed and I'm telling

1034
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.239
myself in this in my dream. So I'm like already

1035
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.920
fighting the fact that I'm like in this place, and

1036
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.440
I start to hear these sounds and then you know,

1037
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.519
I start to hear the sounds behind me, and then

1038
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:04.079
like to the right of me, and to the left

1039
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:06.000
of me, and like in front of me again, and

1040
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:09.880
I'm like these things or whatever these things were, were

1041
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:11.559
kind of just letting me know that they're like all

1042
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:15.239
around me. And then I was like, you know, kind

1043
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.199
of like what am I gonna do here now? Because

1044
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.079
I don't know how I got in this place and

1045
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:21.360
I don't know How'm gonna get out of this place.

1046
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.679
I can tell like I could feel like on the

1047
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:26.559
rock that I was laying on, I could feel like this,

1048
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.760
like like if you like were to glide your hand

1049
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:33.320
across the rock, you would have like this like soot

1050
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.760
or like you know, like it's hard for me to explain,

1051
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:39.519
like like almost like little pebbles, like you know, like

1052
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:43.800
the rock is like really like worn. You could feel that,

1053
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.760
And there's a lot of detail in this dream. And

1054
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:49.400
so it got to a point where I was like,

1055
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:54.920
you know what, I'm gonna call on God because that's

1056
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.719
pretty much all I had at that point in that dream,

1057
00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:59.840
is I'm gonna call on God. And that's kind of

1058
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:01.679
how I felt out there in that forest too, So

1059
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.559
that's why I don't know if there's some resemblance there

1060
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.519
with that dream, but I called on God in that dream,

1061
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:11.000
and then in my dream, I just felt like there

1062
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:17.119
was a realization that God wasn't in that place. That's

1063
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:18.880
just what it felt like to me, like God wasn't there.

1064
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:21.760
And then I just felt at that moment like that dread,

1065
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:25.920
feeling like oh no, like you're you're done for in

1066
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.440
this place, like the there is no getting out of

1067
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.000
this place. That's kind of how I felt. And then

1068
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.159
I woke up boom, And when I woke up, I

1069
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.400
was like breathing hard and I was in a pool sweat.

1070
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.159
And then I woke up my significant other and I

1071
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:41.159
was like I had the craziest dream, and this was

1072
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:43.239
a This was just like a few months after I

1073
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:44.320
had that experience.

1074
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:48.400
In the forest. Yeah, that is that is absolutely wild.

1075
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:51.480
Did those dreams just stop happening then eventually?

1076
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:55.079
Yeah, to be honest, that was like, well that dream

1077
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:57.840
was like the most wild dream out of the other dreams.

1078
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:01.280
And then after a little bit of time, you know,

1079
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:04.119
I just I didn't really have any like anything crazy.

1080
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.239
I don't dream a lot, to be honest, very much

1081
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:10.480
at all here and there. Sometimes when I get lack

1082
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.719
of sleep because of I have a really demanding job.

1083
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.719
You know, I get some lack of sleep. I'll dream

1084
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:17.639
every once in a while, but I usually don't have

1085
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.760
dreams or like ones that I remember at least. But

1086
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.119
after I had that experience out in the forest, I

1087
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:25.960
was dreaming for a little bit. Yeah, and it was

1088
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:29.280
just more or less like just feeling really like vulnerable,

1089
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.960
like almost like there's something bad going to happen or

1090
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.079
you know, cause like when I the best way I

1091
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:38.559
can explain is like that experience that I had, it

1092
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.400
kind of just opened my whole reality to everything more,

1093
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.000
you know, like you know, it isn't like people live

1094
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.400
their day to day lives you know, like we live

1095
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.079
in like a society where you know, like you go

1096
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.280
to work every day, you do the regular stuff and

1097
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.519
you go grocery shopping, you know, you put gas in

1098
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:57.840
the car, you spend time with your kids. But in

1099
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:01.639
all reality, like we don't even really no half of

1100
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:03.800
like what's really going on in this world or like

1101
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:06.840
what's really out there in the sea. And you know,

1102
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.280
there's so much more that there's to be explained, and

1103
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:13.440
there's you know, science only goes so far. Uh, there's

1104
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.119
a lot that I think that you know, that maybe

1105
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:18.239
there's a lot people in this world that do know

1106
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:22.599
more than you know, the average human. But yeah, I

1107
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.119
definitely think that there's definitely more out there man. And

1108
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.320
uh I've had I've had a few experiences in my

1109
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.360
life which kind of like solidified that for me. But

1110
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.880
the one that happened in that forest, that was that

1111
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:38.719
was insane to me. I I opening life changing, like

1112
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:43.159
and I'm actually glad that I you know, I got

1113
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:47.599
to actually, you know, tell my story now because I've

1114
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.559
been really wanting to come out and tell my story.

1115
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.480
But I've always you know, just worried about the the

1116
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.360
people who are going to criticize me, or you know,

1117
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:55.800
just be like, oh, he's a bunch of crap and

1118
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.039
he's looking for I'm not looking for I'm not looking

1119
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.920
for anything. If you know, this story stays where it's at, like,

1120
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:02.480
I'm just glad I'm able to kind of share it.

1121
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.719
And if other people are out there that have experienced

1122
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.880
the things that I've experienced, you know, that'll maybe I

1123
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:12.000
don't know, shed some light on you know, Hey, I'm

1124
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.079
not the only one out here is who's experienced this.

1125
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:18.199
And you know, I've I've believed things here and there

1126
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:21.639
like yeah, the Sasquatch could be potentially true. I actually

1127
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:24.519
think that it's real at this point, or or something

1128
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:27.679
along those lines, you know, alien ish or you know,

1129
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:32.679
an actual physical being. Absolutely did you hear that? What's that?

1130
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.440
Did you hear what happened when you said alien ish?

1131
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:37.880
Oh? No, what man?

1132
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:41.039
We got so this show we get like crazy weird

1133
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:44.880
stuff on the interviews, And right as you were saying

1134
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:50.119
alien ish, the voice your voice modulated. It was bonkers.

1135
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.360
It's going to be on the recording. Oh wow, yeah, d.

1136
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:57.840
Oh, that's wild, that's wild. Yeah, yeah, man, I don't know.

1137
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.679
I mean, there's definitely more out there. There's definitely more

1138
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.880
out there, and you know, like this whole thing that

1139
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:08.199
got with the David plaitis, yeah, shed some light on that.

1140
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:11.920
Like there's there's definitely more going on in the world

1141
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:16.280
and people going missing and very unexplained you know, circumstances

1142
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:17.199
for a lot of people.

1143
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:24.679
So oh yeah, I just want to double check real

1144
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.119
quick and thank you for for everything that you have

1145
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:32.199
shared so far. I mean, it's been a fascinating interview.

1146
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.760
In the months after this happened in your back home,

1147
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.920
did things start to happen, did anything start to happen

1148
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:45.119
around the home that were out of the ordinary or

1149
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.480
you just think anything different.

1150
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:56.079
So that's the thing off the top of my head,

1151
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:59.800
not really to be honest, but I will I will

1152
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:04.920
explained this. So the coworker that I was working with,

1153
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:10.840
he he kind of just like he had a really

1154
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:15.320
I would say, not a very good spiral in his life.

1155
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:18.079
He was a good worker, he was a he was

1156
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.119
a great coworker to have and the person that you know,

1157
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.320
I could rely on to do stuff. And then next thing,

1158
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.280
you know, like his life kind of just went downhill.

1159
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:28.599
And I don't mean that in a bad way. I

1160
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:30.400
just mean, like he just started dealing with a bunch

1161
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:33.280
of crap and then all of a sudden, you know,

1162
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.880
then he next thing, you know, he wasn't working for

1163
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:40.360
the company Moore, he moved on. But like, very fascinating

1164
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:42.400
to me because I wonder sometimes, you know, if like

1165
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:46.039
that really had an effect on him, because I'm sure

1166
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:49.800
it did, because you know, like somebody who I knew

1167
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.239
didn't really believe in God and then had that experience

1168
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:55.599
with me, or at the least seen what I saw.

1169
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.440
Then you know, ran only asks me like did we

1170
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:03.280
see a demon? You know, and like that kind of

1171
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:05.679
stuck with me a little bit because I'm like, for

1172
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:07.400
somebody who doesn't believe in God, you're gonna ask me

1173
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:12.639
that question. It's pretty it's pretty wild. So I don't know,

1174
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:16.960
I just you know, I still have you know, some

1175
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.159
certain contact with him on social media here and there,

1176
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:23.960
so he's still he's still he's still around, he's still living.

1177
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:26.719
But uh, I think it I think it definitely had

1178
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:28.000
an impact on his life too.

1179
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.679
Oh, I mean, it would be really interesting. It'd be

1180
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:38.960
interesting to hear his side of the encounter as well.

1181
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:43.039
It's always I don't know if you said you you

1182
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.920
might have contact with him. Do you guys even talk

1183
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.480
about this at all anymore?

1184
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:55.079
We we talked about it just very briefly after we

1185
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:57.559
experienced it, and then it kind of never got brought

1186
00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:59.920
up again because he did work at my company for

1187
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.360
a little bit longer before he ended up leaving. But

1188
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:07.519
he even asked me, though, He goes, are you going

1189
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.920
to tell some of our coworkers? And I go, yeah, well,

1190
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:12.559
I mean the least the guys that I'm close with.

1191
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:16.639
Why not? You know, like, it's not why why wouldn't

1192
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:18.320
I say something that actually happened. You know, it's going

1193
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:20.960
to sound crazy and I and I get it. It

1194
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:22.800
does sound crazy, like it even for me to even

1195
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.719
explain the story, he sounds crazy to me. But I'm

1196
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.800
telling you, this is exactly what I saw. This is

1197
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.039
exactly what I experienced, you know, And I'm gonna take

1198
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:31.639
that to my grade because I know what I saw,

1199
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:36.719
like you know, so it just it's just wild, Like

1200
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:41.480
having experience like that is definitely life changing, you know,

1201
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:43.960
it's definitely life changing. Oh.

1202
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:51.039
Absolutely. One one last question, what if after this interview

1203
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:56.199
comes out and let's say someone's in the comments was like,

1204
01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:01.000
I've been in that same exact situation there and the

1205
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.239
same thing happened to me. How would that make you feel?

1206
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.760
I would just it would maybe solidify more of the

1207
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.320
fact that, like, you know, what I saw was real,

1208
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:16.199
I guess, and I you know, I don't wish anybody

1209
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.039
to experience something like that, but I would. I would

1210
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.599
be pretty uh interested and fascinated if somebody had experienced

1211
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.360
something like that, especially in the same place. But I mean,

1212
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.039
if I saw that thing there, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

1213
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:28.960
put it past that it's still there or it's out

1214
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:34.159
in that area, you know, because it was very real.

1215
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.880
It was very real, like there, I wasn't dreaming. I wasn't,

1216
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:42.800
you know, like I'm sitting there witnessing this thing, and like, dude,

1217
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.440
I've never had an experience like that. So like seeing

1218
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:49.480
that in real time and like you know, having my

1219
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.320
flashlight like like just light that thing up, and like,

1220
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:56.400
I mean, it was just it was mind blowing for me.

1221
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.679
It really was. It really changed me as a person.

1222
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:00.920
But it kind of give me a a better outlook

1223
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.679
on life too, you know, because it's like, you know,

1224
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:05.559
you got to really appreciate the time that you have

1225
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.679
here because you know, it could be moments like that

1226
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:10.719
that could have been my last, could have been right.

1227
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:15.440
Glad that it wasn't, but made me really kind of

1228
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:18.760
like appreciate my life more and make sure that you know,

1229
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:21.119
like the time that I spend with my kids or

1230
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:24.719
my you know, significant other that I'm just really don't

1231
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:28.159
take anything for granted because you just never know, You

1232
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:28.960
just never know.

1233
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:34.800
Absolutely, John, thank you so much for coming on the show.

1234
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:40.280
I think this has been just an incredible chat, and

1235
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:46.280
thank you for being so honest and sharing what you

1236
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.760
went through that night. I just appreciate you coming on

1237
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:51.239
the show man.

1238
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:53.599
Thank you, yeah, of course, no, and then thank you

1239
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.440
for having me. Honestly, like it's almost like a weight

1240
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:58.119
off my shoulders a little bit to kind of get

1241
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.360
my story out. But I feel better that I'm able to,

1242
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.159
you know, kind of explain it, and hopefully for people

1243
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.320
who've been out there and I've experienced something along those lines,

1244
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.639
like you know, maybe they can find some some peace

1245
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:11.679
of mind, like knowing that they're not the only ones

1246
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:14.360
who kind of you have had these experiences and stuff.

1247
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.199
But no, thank you, thank you for having me on here.

1248
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:18.519
It's been great to be able to come on here

1249
01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:21.159
and talk to you about my experience and be able

1250
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:22.239
to share that with everybody.

1251
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:24.239
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

1252
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:27.400
truly for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

1253
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:29.639
John story is one that sticks with you, not just

1254
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.360
because of what he saw at the creek that night,

1255
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.360
because of the way it changed him forever. So huge

1256
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:36.960
thanks to John for bravely coming forward with an experience

1257
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.199
that many would never dare to share, the fear of

1258
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:42.079
the transformation, and the questions that still haunt him, They're

1259
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.079
what makes stories like this so important. If you enjoyed

1260
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.119
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1262
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.039
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1263
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.440
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1264
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.519
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1265
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:00.159
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1266
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:03.679
you had a Bigfoot encounter, especially in Oregon around Mount

1267
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.239
Hood or the Lolo Pass area. I want to hear

1268
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:09.000
from you, so shoot me an email at Bigfoot Society

1269
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.840
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1276
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:32.840
next time, stay curious, stay safe, and if something crouches

1277
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:36.039
by the water, don't blink. See you in the woods.