Joe the Sasquatch Whisperer of Mississippi

0:00 I sat there and looked at him, and he sat there and looked at me, and he uh, he looked up at me. When he saved me look at me, he dropped his eyes to the ground and dropped his head a little bit, and then he looked up again. And you know, at this time, I didn't know. You know, you don't sat there and look at the animal in the aisle or any kind of wild animal. But man, I was sitting there, thinking, I'll never say nothing like this again. So I was I was looking all I can and I wasn't necessarily look at him in the eye, but I was staring at him. And he did that two or three times, and then he he huffed at me. But I get right there, but it was a lot, it was a lot deeper, and he took a step sideways towards the h the river right there. You're listening to the Big Society podcasts. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquats in some way or another. So you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode with a friend. Does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. I'm heading out on a big Foot expedition soon with T. Horonymus and others, and I want to take a few minutes to thank those who have bought me a coffee to help me go on that expedition. Thank you to Brian Corbyn for buying five coffees, he says, keep the great content

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2:32 Oh? Pretty good? How are you doing? Oh? I'm doing great. Just having a nice relaxing day in Iowa, and had a great bigfoot presentation the other day, So I really can't complain right now. You said you've been around a few different states, and it sounds like you have some really interesting stories about well what most people might call bigfoot, but we already chat you refer to them as bookers because of the area of the country. That's that's the common terminology, right. But I'm just really curious to hear your story about how you got all involved in dealing with these creatures. Okay, Well, just so from the part of the country that I mean, everybody knows what a wooly booger is or a Boogerman or or wood booger, so they've always talked about kind of like they talk about the boogee Man or the Boogeyman and stuff, And I always thought it was just a way to scare kids into doing what they're supposed to do, you know. And I grew up with my grandmother and they lived in Tennessee, and her daddy in law was actually really about you get home at night before dark. If you're

4:05 not coming, I'm going to be if you're not coming that dark and I can't holler and hear you coming and you holler back, I'm gonna come looking for you. And so, you know, I've always thought, well, you know, oh, that's something that you'll never see, you know, kind of kind of like any other old wives tale. But moving on up to when I when I first saw one was in two thousand and five. I was down in Texas by the Nats River, and it was between the time when Hurricane Katrina had already hit and Hurricane Reader was about to hit Southeast Texas. And I worked at a paper mill down there in Eitherdale, Texas, and I was checking lots over by Evadale High School and it runs right along the Natus River, and I was it was about three thirty in the afternoon. It was it was not overcast or anything, this pretty day, and while I was checking doors, I heard something felt like a chimpanzee.

5:27 Well, I haven't know. I hadn't been down there very long at that time, and and you know, I grew up in the Woodlandson and north or west Alabama, or south central Tennessee and north or west Mississippi, so I said, and wasn't even thinking about any kind of prime made or anything. I thought, well, I wonder what kind of bird that is makes that kind of sound. It sounds almost like a chimpanzee. And so I started walking down along the river and I seen its back to me, and it was squatted down and digging through I'm a sermon looking for a fall fish or something. But when I first seen it, I thought it was a bear souse. That's the only thing that size I could have thought that it could have been. And it turned its heads when it heard me sideways a little bit, and when I saw its ear, I knew it wasn't a bear as a primate here. And so I sat there looking at it, thinking this ain't no bear. And by that time it stood up and turned around and and looked at me, and we watched each other for a while, and make a long story short, eventually it went across the river and headed west instead of coming up a bank. But I look at the triok

7:00 that I was in. It was about two hundred feet away. I looked at him and he was about ninety feet away, and I was like, yeah, he wants me. He's got me, So I might as well just stay here and observe what I see. And even at this time, sasquatch, bigfoot, budger or whatever that wasn't in my on my radar, my thanking. I think it was there something that's got loose from a from a zoo or sanctuary or something from Katrina, and it's running around here. So I went back and talked with my supervisor about it, and he was like, now I've heard anything at any kind of wildlife at loose and nothing.

7:47 And it wasn't until I went home. I was Saturday evening, a Sunday morning. I called my grandma and I talked to her on Sunday morning. Spot went the way and I was like, you ain't gonna believe what I saw. It's the weirdest looking thing. And she said, oh, you saw a bugger. I mean, just as a matter of fact, well I saw a bugger. I thought, y'all you said they weren't real so well with y'all's kids. We didn't want to scare y'all. They don't bother you most of the time. And so that's the first time I saw one. And after I got to setting around and thinking about why I saw, I thought, well, if they're down here in the wood, I'm a I'm a hunter. I hunt hogs, I hunt deer. On cality, I like cats. You know, I don't need to know about these things because if they're here, what if I'm in the elbow deep in the gut pile or something one shows up? Is they gonna want my adult my deer or my hall or is it gonna want me? Or is it gonna want both of us? You know? Oh? I I was ignorant on that, and I had to. I had to for my own self figure out how to co exists and no, I guess the rules of the game when they showed up. So that's what got me started on it, and

9:18 I've been doing it. Greateen years. Joe, that is absolutely such a fascinating first encounter story. How close is that area of Everdale from the Big Thicket National Preserve? Oh, it's right up for are in it? Oh, it's so it bumps up to it. I had a house in Orange County that actually bumped up to the big thicket too, And for a long time I thought I had an ad problem, and it was actually sasquats coming around my house. Really, what kind of things was that sasquat students your house? Then mostly it was coming around moving stuff in the yards I had.

10:07 I had a rottwaller that on my dog food would come up missing like I would. I had a two gallon uh food bowl that I fill up with dog food and the next day I fed my dog needing before I went to work. Next day I'd come back and be gone, and uh my dog would have been inside the house all evening. So I knew it didn't get it, And so I looked around. I couldn't find any any foot French and that I just fived some smud just here there because the ground was hard down there work where there wasn't sand that was it was a swamp of muck at when it drives as hard. And so I thought, well, or you could smell, you could smell a residual or smell there, And I thought, well, must be hoggs coming in and getting this dog food and I eventually moved it out of the way. But you know, just just that little stuff like that. It wasn't anything major. Uh. I'd come home at after work or I worked through the leven shift, and there would be a real bad odor around the house, and I grabbed my shot gun and walked around the perimeter or the tree line looking for hogs to make sure that wentn't nothing. I'nna jump out at me before I got to the house. But just just a little stuff like that. Did you ever hear any vocalizations around your house at that time? Not at that time, I

11:41 didn't. Uh. Most of the time it was just smils and and something would slap the house, just ever now and then. And and it wasn't until years later that I put that house slapping with buggers. It made sense then, uh, or after after I connected it. But you know, I was like, well, I don't know what smacks the house or if the house is saddling or what you know, but that's what it was. That's that's very interesting. That comes up more often than not. So were you actually hearing the slaps or was things were things falling off inside the house or what kind of would happen when there were slaps involved at this or at this time my wife or at the time it just had our first son and he he was twenty one days old when Hurricane could read a hit. And so when when we brought our son home, that's when the slapping on the house started. And I don't know if it was like a female that was just interested and and would try to get a reaction out of the baby or what, because I never actually saw the one there. Oh, but it was just the or whenever he got there, that's when the house slapping and

13:13 the smells around the house started being almost continuous as far as the daily activity. So so interesting. I want to go back to your the first encounter that you shared where you actually you were able to see face to face back in Eva Dale, Texas, and you know, thinking, you know, put yourself back in You're you're looking directly at that face. What are some things that you can pick out through your memories of what you noticed about that face. The first thing that I noticed was, at no time did this is a human cross my mind? What I was looking at what had had a body of a big gorilla. But but the faceal fixtures was more like a rangatang. It didn't have those fringes on the side like mail rangatangs have on their face. But the forehead was a slope kind of like that, and had a really pronounced brow. The nose was really wide and flat.

14:31 It was a charcoal color. The skin was charcoal color, but it was dry, kind of like you see an old h I guess a saddle leather, or like an old boots when a dry up mail or a get really wrinkled. It was it was like that. I didn't see any pronounced knines on it. It never it never showed me its teeth, but whenever I looked at it, a spatial expression was mirror and what I was thinking, and it's like, crap, I've got caught, you know what, what are we gonna do? How we're gonna get out this? We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. And he would he would look across the river and then they would look back at me, and I would look at the truck and I look back at him, and it's like we were both kind of side. How we're gonna do or get by this? You know? Without without any more interaction than we had to do.

15:43 But there wasn't There wasn't any any hair like on his nose and his cheeks, but and his upper lip. But around the edge of his spaces it was hair. And Danny's neck and everything. It's a chest didn't have as much hair on him. Oh, there's almost like an inverted human. Human males have a lot of hair on a chest and the back is so he's not got much hair on it. He was almost inverted into that work. He didn't have as much hair on his chest, but you know, every words else it wasn't He had some gray or mixed in with it.

16:32 He had a bald spot on the top of his head up there, which is kind of interesting. It made his forehead look even longer. And if I had to guess, I'd say he was probably along the same developmental or age as a human man that was just passed his prime. Did you notice anything about the hands specifically, Well, they were huge. I bet he could grab a basketball the way that we could grab a grape fro Oh, they're huge. Oh, it's very interesting, and it sounds like at the end you both didn't want to be in that situation. How did that all end up? Did you kind of say, well, see you later?

17:26 Or I sat there and looked at him, and he sat there and looked at me, and he looked up at me. When he saved me look at me, he dropped his eyes to the ground and dropped his head a little bit, and then he looked up again. And you know, at this time, I didn't know. You know, you don't sat there and look at the animal in the aisle or any kind of wild animal. But man, I was sitting there thinking, I'll never say net like this again. So I was I was looking all I can and I wasn't necessarily look at him in eye, but I was staring at him. And he did that two or three times, and then he he huffed at me. But I can't right there, but it was it was a lot deeper. And he took a step sideways towards the the river and he or watched me and he walked out in the river. And I don't know how. I don't know how he did it. I never saw him swim like a swim, as always walking. And when he got out about a halfway it was up to his chest where he was walking and he looked back at me that last time, and he turned around and he walked on and he kept his hands above the water like I don't I don't understand, like the palms were the palms were facing the top of the water, and his elbows were bent like

19:03 ninety degrees. And he kept going across like that, And when he got halfway out to the in the water, he quit looking at me, and he had he added the b line to the other side of the river, and on the other side of the river, he got over there and went up the side of the bank there and he took off to the left. I was facing south, so he was going west, and I seen about two or three seconds, but he was running, and he was moving so fast. His almost blurry from that distance, if that makes sense. But I'm not sure if that wasn't just his hair flowing in the back from him running. But I mean I seen him two or three times and that was it. Never heard any limbs break that like that. Oh oh, he was just silent in the woods and gone. That's fascinating. Have you ever heard of any other interactions with other people and creatures like that in that area?

20:15 Yeah? Oh, I got I got to talking with some people down there and in that part of the country. It's taken for granted that they're doing there. Oh the big thing around cow buy you down there on the Nats River. Oh, you know people know about it. Wow. Man, that's wild. It's It's an area I haven't heard come up yet, but I have a feeling we might be hearing some more about it. Talking to you before this interview a little bit back and forth on email, Facebook, things like that. It sounds like you've had interactions with creatures like this over the last you said, eighteen years, right, Yeah, and you kind of have an interesting connection with you know, can you explain or what you would like to have explained what it is how your life intersects with these booger creatures, these big foots, what you do in regards to them.

21:33 Well, first of all, I'm not out in the woods with lots running around trying to find them. You know, I thought, if they want you to see them, oh, I've learned, they're going to show theirselves to you. Why why I seem to be a magnet for them, I've got no clue. Oh. All I did was I took an interest in the beginning, and I wanted to know about them for my own personal reasons. You know, if oh I've grown up or there hunting and hall hunting and and been in the woods, that that that's my safe places in the woods. So if there's something in there that I don't know about it, it's my job to know all I can. Because a lot of people see one and they phraze up and they're scared. Well, the reason why it's because they don't know what to do in that situation. When you've got when you've got knowledge and understanding, at least even a periphery or understanding of something, and you kind of know what to expect and you know how to kind of judge what they're doing, you're less likely to be afraid. And that that was my whole purpose in getting started on this. I quit hunting there, I quit hunting hogs, I quit squirrel hunting, I quit fishing, and I started focusing on this. And you know, I've I've seen some

23:03 pretty interesting things, some stuff that I don't even believe all happened. And I was there, so you know, oh, those are things to ponder on. Oh, but yeah, I've been I've been doing uh this since two thousand and five. And it's just like a rabbit hole. Once you go down and did you keep going farther and farther and farther, So you are you are then a booker hunter? Is what are a bigfoot hunter? It sounds like, yes, not to kill them, but to observe them. Uh, you know, I've I've heard of people who claimed to be experts that say, oh, I went down areas, things screamed at me and chased me back to my car and I barely got out of there.

23:59 Well that's not very much. Well that's not much of an expert if you or don't understand one of them enough that they got to chase you out of the woods because they've already told you nicely or several times in my experience, before it gets to that point. You know, it's just like somebody comes in your house and you don't want them there, and you ask them to leave, and they don't leave, and then you say, well listen, you got to go, and they still don't go. Well, you've got to go from being plit to being forceable to get them out of your house. And when you go into woods, you're in their house that's all. I never I never go inside the tree lines in any forest and not expect to be observed. So when you go and you have these interactions, are you going in specifically to observe or are you trying to get them to leave an area then? Or well, I've never actually tried to get them just to leave. I have had people has had has had some problems that they call and and we talk about it, and I've come seen their their property and things. Uh oh, I've seen some pretty strange stuff and those experiences.

25:26 But the what I what I try to do is just see if you can figure out a medium where everybody can get along. You know, you ain't got to be best friends, and you're not going to be you you you don't want any more or interaction with them than you have to have because their way of thinking is different than ours. They're not they're not civilized a lot we are, and even though they have some of the same actions, the reasons behind it's different. And so when people call, I go check your property out. Now we talk about what happens, and then it grew us from there. But the only time you're gonna have a really big problem with him is if if you associate yourself with a food source, they're going to compete with you over it, and you're not gonna win. I know.

26:26 I thought always remembered my old grandmother's daddy in law. He had two of gardens. He had one that was behind the house up there, and then he had one about a quarter a mile back down the road and in the woods, and he would tell them he would when that got planted and started growing, he say this is y'alls, and then it pointed up her to the house and say that's mine up there. Y'all. Y'all get all this you want, but stay out of my And I always thought that was weird. I was like, who are you talking to? It's like, oh, well, buggers hear me. They know who I'm who I'm talking to. And so I've taken that if people got a food source problem, we talk about stuff like that and trying to figure out a way to make sure that it's not going to be a confrontation. But yeah, I don't ever try to run nothing off. You know, they're a lot bigger than me. The fact that I'm still here means that they're not vindictive or general or wanting to kill me. But they've had plenty of chances, but just stuff like that. Oh, I try to make sure that most most of the time, people who contact me you are already scared. They've heard me

27:56 on a podcast or somewhere, and you've logged me up on the internet. And the first thing they usually say is, I want to talk to you about something, but I promise I'm not crazy. And I think that I think that's interesting that everybody assumes that if you mentioned big foot, then you're don't think you're crazy. Oh. Absolutely, A lot of people don't want to go on the air or record and talk to me, and it half the people don't end up showing up figuratively just because they don't want to be seen as crazy. And it's it's not a crazy thing because this stuff is actually happening. But when you get called to come to a property, what are the things you notice that tell you, Okay, I'm dealing with something real here. This is actually something that's going on. Okay. When when somebody calls me and they say I think I'm having something going on and I think it's a big foot. Before I even go there, I asked them a listen, what kind of predators do you got in your area? Or have you actually seen a predator like a cauty or a big cat, bobcat, anything like that, or any of these red wolves that that's moving in that they're mixing with caudies. You know, that's a different animal in the caldy and it's up. But we go through and we talk about that.

29:26 If they hadn't seen anything, I say, well, why do you think it's a big foot? And they'll start talking, maybe they've heard something or they've seen a glimpse or something that they came in their mind. Oh say that that's what it is. And until they get to talking about it, and I say, well, if it's not a big foot, what else could it be? You know? And so after after we talk, if they want me to come, the first thing I do when I get there is I walk. I walk the property with the people in the areas where they tell me that they've had interactions or they've had a sighting, and I look for things like property territorial markers. We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors. Twisted Limbs about six and a half the nine feet up be twisted and then broke. You know. That's uh, that's different than than storm damage. Storm damage winds, they'll just blow it and break it. But if something's been twisted to the point where it's just snapped over and then there's nothing nests on that tree that's like that, or there's no other trees or any kind of damage like that, that that gets my attention. U boat over ciplings that are that are weighted down with

31:03 another piece of wood that couldn't get there naturally. That's something I look for. Any kind of tree structure that shouldn't be there. Oh, just just stuff like that. And then oh, after I look for if I don't say stuff like that, I start looking for the waterways. Is there a creek running through there? Is along the river? Is there high high ground anywhere where something can be set up there? And watch the area and just different things like that. And if I if I think that there's something there, I'll tell them and I'll tell them why I think that what's going on, And it's pretty much on an individual base. There's there's no two things that's exactly the same each time. And that's what people don't seem to understand.

32:01 They want to. They want to say, well, if if a Sassquah does this, this is the reason why he does it. Well, in my opinion, if a Sasquatch does it's the only reason why you say he did, it's because he wants to or she wants to. There's no rhyme or reason. Just like trying to figure out why different people do different things, there's no rhyme or reason to it a lot of times, but it makes sense to them once you understand what they're doing. Are there things you find yourself seeing, usually to people that are having issues, like, Okay, you need to stop doing this. Stop doing this in order to live more peaceably or peacefully with these creatures. Yes, over no where, say quit feeding them, quit quit putting out, quit putting out some kind of gift or whatever. Because these animals, if you give them and don't expect nothing in return, they're going to see that as a weakness and they're gonna think they can harass you even more to get more out of you.

33:14 In a lot of ways, they understand trade in the same way as Native Americans all do and did back when the white man rush come here. You give something only to get something with them. If you were if you were setting here and h and you got them coming in your yards and they're picking up stuff, and they're looking at things, and they're not bringing them back and putting them right back where they found them, or if they're or if they're picking up stuff and or taking off with them, and then you say, oh, well that's a nice that's a neat looking animal. I'm gonna feed him. Well, you feed him, he's gonna he or she's gonna realize I can get a free meal here. I ain't got a hunt my stuff. Well, that's all fine and good until the day that you don't do that. And here's the thing. They might get mad at you, and and they may not tear up your stuff, but while they're mad, they may go half a mile, mile, even ten miles down the road and something else or somebody else may have been or may have done something or ignorantly or without even knowing their round to piss them off, and then they tear their stuff up, you know, So they don't they don't care as

34:44 far as individual wise, in other words, that if they get mad at one person, they're gonna take it out on the next person that they that they come across, even if that person hadn't done anything. And you know, there's a lot lot of people running run in the woods, pissing them off, and then when they jump in a car and leave, the people that live in that area, I have to deal with the aftermath of that. And I'm real, I'm real conscientious of what I do when I'm there because I don't want to have them have to deal with the fallout with me after I leave. But yeah, don't feed them. They don't need they don't need you help. They don't want to be your friend. They just want you to leave them along. But they they're just like any other opportunitistic animal. If they can get a freemail, they're gonna get it. It doesn't mean that they're going to be your friend. They're going to use you until you're not useful anymore. Then they're either gonna trry your stuff up and leave, or they're gonna find somebody else to feed them. But that's just the nature of things. That's good advice. There's a question that I'm starting to ask people. Logically, it doesn't make sense that you would be able to answer this, but I'm just gonna everyone I talked to, I mean asking it now, were you involved with the siege in Oklahoma in two thousand, I know that's before you had your first sighting. You know you're talking

36:16 about henobia. Yeah, yeah, No, I'm not involved in any of that. Oh I do know. I do know some people or through through or my journey, I thought I have spoken with people involved in that. For their own privacy, I won't say who. It is a law, but I do know about the situation. But I wasn't involved in that. When it happens, no, no sweats. Someday I hope to talk to someone involved and maybe if I talk about it, it'll come my way. So over the years, Joe, has there been a time when you know, your first encounter it was it was pretty pretty mild, and you know, both of you just wanted to get away from each other. Had had there been a time when you're in the woods and things just got maybe a little intense, and you're like, I kind of wish I wasn't in this situation because things are getting a little bit wild. There was one time that I thought I wasn't going to make it out of the woods, and I had in the earlier days, I had a rock waller and black lab mix, and he was solid black. His name was Shadow, and he looked like a giant pit Bullbo was rely looked like, but he was a rock waller and lab makes and I would take him in the woods with me everywhere

37:47 we went, whether I went crab grab ll fishing down there, or if I went a squirrel hunt or whatever, I tuck in with me in the woods. And when I started hunting these things, because he was a well trained dog and he had better senses than I did in the dark, I took him with me and I would watch him as much as I would watch my surroundings. And if he ever headed to the truck, I knew that was time for me to go before things got worse. But we were down in a preserve in law Dale County, Alabama one night and we're walking around and he bowled up on something, and looking back, I think it was probably a little blugger that he bowed up on. I didn't see it, but as soon as he did, there was a roaring, I mean it sound like a dinosaur holler, and on both sides of the trail, and he took off a beeline for the truck. And I took off. It took me thirty minutes to walk back there, and I think I got back in the truck in about ten. But the whole time they were they were running me out there there There was at least a dozen or more and there was some behind me, some right along outside me, and some ahead of me. And I sat there thinking, though I may not get out of here, and but they never tried to hurt me. They just every time

39:22 I slowed down, they would slap bushes, holler, scream. It's almost like running the guntlet, if that makes sense. But I was thinking this must be how they heard deer to a kills one or something. But even in I was getting out of there, and I found my dog. He was underneath my toolbox in the back of my truck when I got up there, and this is this is one hundred and ten pound alf you know. It was its big golf And when I opened the door, he knocked me down to get inside the cab of the truck. Yeah, I left out there and I didn't go back for a couple of months after after that time. Let's calm down, But yeah, that's the only time. And like I said, I think the dog triggered something. And at that time I wasn't trying to figure out why they were they were doing that. I just survival or mode to get out there. We'll think about why later. But yeah, oh on general though, I don't I don't have any problems.

40:24 So like that because I've learned. I've learned there's signs they give you when they don't want you there, and as they as they start amping up stuff, that's time to get gone. I find that really interesting. Can you go into what are the signs that you notice when they don't want you in a certain area, when they when you're there, and they know you're there before you even got an idea there, they've already been watching you. That's my experience. But when you get to a place that they don't want you there, the first thing they'll do is start making noise so that you know, you know that they're around. They'll walk around the camp or where you hear it, and it's like you're trying to give you a sub door.

41:20 Hint, well, you know, kind of leave and if we're walking around and h and the stuff, you might hear a tree limb snap, you might hear you might hear a huff something like that. All right, if you don't take the hint that they want you to leave, then they'll start throwing little stuff at you. And that's like, listen, all right, I've tried to tell you that I don't want you here. Apparently you you didn't get the hint. So I'm throwing stuff. I'm letting you know I'm here. I want you to leave for whatever reason. You know, if that don't work, and let's let's just say that you don't get it, or you think that's a squirrel throwing acorns at your whatever, you think it's funny, and you just sat there, say well, they're gonna move on up a little bit more. They're probably gonna shake a tree, They're gonna slap a tree, something like that to let you show listen, I'm here, I can do this to this tree. You know, you need to leave. And at that point, if if they you don't leave, they're either gonna try to throw something really big at you, or they're gonna they're going to or try to rush you, or they're gonna scream at you or whatever. But but every time they change tactics, they amp it up a little bit so you understand I don't want you here. I want you to

42:52 leave. And it's not like they're trying to kill you, because if they were, you had never heard them. They're they're showing you, hey, I'm here, this is my space, No move on. And I have had times where they started out like that and I talked to them pitch. Oh. That might sound crazy, but I think they can understand language, if not verbal language, I think they understand your your non verbal body language. So I have had them start throwing stuff at me, little stuff, and I start talking and then they quit. They don't leave the area. They watch you, but they're just watching to see what you're doing, and if you're up to something, they'll run you out of there. That they're just like any other animal. You're not going to be dangerous around their their kids or their family, or disrespectful or anything. But they'll tolerate you when you when you know and eat eats situations different. It's not like I can I can say, all right, first they're gonna throw little stuff, and then they're gonna shake trees, and then they're gonna stream it and then go like that. It's just whatever they decide to do. It starts out or late at a lower intensity, and then it goes from there. But if if you're out camping and you see something like that, or sometimes the only the way you know they're there is you'll you'll smell them or see them or

44:23 walking around the outside of your fire lot or where the white or stops. Have you ever heard of a situation and you've been involved with multiple states? I know from our conversation prior, but where there were let's see, maybe researchers or individuals where they didn't get the hint and things got rather escalated. Have you ever been involved with hearing about situations like that? I have heard about, uh, stuff like that. Oh, most most of the stuff that I hear is from experts who get run out of the woods. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Oh and like I said, if you're getting run out of the woods, you're not much of an expert. It's kind of like saying, no, I ran off a flock of starlings out of my yard, so I'm an old bird expert now on them. But you know you can you can get on the internet and look at whatever sep proclaimed experts out there, and and when you read their story and you see them telling that, you realize they don't know what they're doing, and you know that's all over there. As far as me personally, I try not to get to that part that's res while I

46:00 go into woods by myself. Oh, I take somebody every now and then, but it's usually somebody who is on the property or they're wanting to know something, and I take them with me to show them that was something. To answer the question, can you talk to maybe people that you know want to go out on a weekend to try to find Bigfoot? Are there ways that they can try to interact with the creature that would not be you know, getting them angry, but also you know, not not provoking. I guess you could say, right, first of all, just before I tell you this, I'm gonna say, I don't condone you doing that, all right, Oh absolutely I don't either. But if you're if you're going to do that, or let them come to you when or you see these shows of people running out in the woods and got all these lights shining up, they never find anybody. They're never going to find anybody, because that's like an alien coming down into your backyard and shining lasers and stuff all over the place. You're gonna sit and hide and right see what they're up to.

47:22 You're not gonna go out there and and take a chance of getting hit with one of them because you don't know what they do. You know, well, in this case, we're the alien, or you got we got those who are bright flashlights and at night, a really strong beamed flashlight is more of a deterrent than a gun is. I've learned that over the years. But if you want to, if you want one to come up and check you out, oh, the best thing you do is just do your stuff and act like your oblivious look around in the in the campground where you might find some signs that they may be there, and that's and then just set up and and when you cook outside. For example, if I think there's some in an area and I've I've been there a week or so and I haven't seen one or heard one, but something says they're here, I'll go build meal, count fire out out in the woods or along a tree line, and I'll cook. I'll cook any kind of pork or or or beef, and I mixed the onions and bell peppers with it. I seem to draw them things up like a magnet. They like that smell for whatever reason or or I have used beef liver. I'll cook that, and they seem

48:52 to like that. I just don't like to eat beef liver and I don't cook it, or generally because I'm not a wasteful person, but I have used that in the past. But just the thing is, if you go into their into their space, you've got to be on your best behavior because that's their space. If they come into your space, they're gonna be on their best behavior because they came to you and you're there, and they can leave and go somewhere's else and vice versa. So if you want to see one, first of all, I question why there's a big there's a big difference in people sitting here listening to the podcast like this one and others and saying, oh, that's a that's a nice idea to go out and look for these. Thanks. But when you're within twenty feet of seven hundred and fifty eight hundred pound animal that's nearly twice your size, or probably three times, is why as you are, that's a different ball game. Oh that's a that's something that you don't have any protection from. You know, you got that you got that phone or computer screen protecting you from that thing.

50:15 And it's it's a good idea, but when you get out there and that thing can literally get you before you turn around take two or three steps, you got to know what you're doing, because you know, there's people comes up missing the National forests all the time, and you know, I don't know what's getting on them, and I don't know where they're going. But I used to say, you know, hunters that disappear, maybe those are the ones that actually shot at one you know. Oh, but I heard some really interesting things over the over the episodes that I've talked to people, especially in Alabama, where there's a gentleman who shared about there was a hunter who has found pretty much torn apart underneath his underne if this tree stand and I think it was northern Alabama. But it's some wild stuff that you guys have going on down there in the South. For sure? Is that over there and there Bankhead National Force? Yeah, I'll tell you the truth.

51:14 I don't know the exact locale, but yeah, it was pretty wild. Yeah, Yeah, people down here. You can tell when people shoot at them because they're really aggressive. Oh, but if you get you know, they're just they're just like any other animal. If you if you will shoot at one and hurting, he's going to remember what did it? And But yeah, North Alabama, south central Tennessee. They people And like I said, it's almost got to the point where it's like a boogerman top thing go in. Oh, you never see them unless you go looking for But most people's not in the woods between the eleven at night and five in the morning.

52:10 When you say south central Tennessee, what counties are you referring to? Just curious? Lawrence County, Wayne County, Giles County, Mcmaarry County along the Loan the state line along through there. Oh, down by Alabama and border. Yeah, down by Obama and the Mississippi. Very interesting. Do you think this is a random question, but do you think the government knows more about Bigfoot than right now? They're not saying really anything. They're kind of focusing on UAPs and UFOs. But you think there's maybe some hidden stuff going on there. Oh, I would I would say my opinion is I believe so, Yes, the same thing. We said the aliens were fake, said that a bigfoot doesn't exists. Now they're saying aliens or at least you AP's are real. So you know, you take that with a grain of salt. But I think they've known all along. And you know, oh, in my in my journey, I have talked with some people, and I honestly believe that the Department of the Interior has known about them the old time. H My My opinion is that all of these national forests and stuff that they that they created so that they would have a habitat because they can't cohabitate with people. And I think that's probably worthy the reasoning if you

53:51 get down to the nitty gritty or that they do it. I mean, you think about scattered all throughout the country, even even around well civilization, there's places that that's either wilife preserves or there's national parks or or state parks or something that people just tend to labe alone. And you gotta ask yourself, why did they choose those areas? You know what, what what made that area? They're different than an area almost dislike it all five miles down the road that wasn't made one exactly like areas like land between the Lakes, things like that. Yeah, there's some weird stuff that happens in some of these areas for sure, if you start digging. I have a really really random question to ask it as we get as we start to wrap up.

54:50 So down in Mississippi, have you ever run across or heard people talking about like a type of a pale creature, maybe crawler type creature, anything weird like that in Mississippi. Now, I personally have no experience with anything like that. If I was in the woods and something like that come up, everybody, no nobody, because I feel that thing and bring them out so I listen. I was not drunk or not. That was not how this is what it was. Yeah, and you know, but yeah, I've never seen anything like that, And you know, a lot of people talk about dog men too. I've never seen the dog man in the woods either.

55:36 I was going to just ask you. Yeah, I've seen an animal that looks like a really large by boom and a lot of people call them gug wes. But this here, this here doesn't look like what people describe guglis as. This here looks like a baboon, like a like an olive, an olive or baboon in Africa. You look at or look at this creature, the body of morphology is the same, but the coloring is different. The head and neck is solid white except for the eyebrows. It looks like somebody took a big sharpie and drew black eyebrows on it, all thick eyebrows. But down down the stomach gets solid white like a blaze, but the rest of it's black. And when it sets on the ground or eating it's it's about three and a half four foot tall setting on the ground.

56:31 And you know what, a baboon only gets about thirty inches tall when it's so you know this year, this year is a huge animal. I actually talked with the game boarding about it and and he pretty much confirmed that he'd seen the tracks, he knew it was there. He had never seen the animal. Where whereabout? Whereabouts? Did you see this gugui? It was in a hunting preserve in northeast Mississippi. Wow, because I hear they're they're extremely aggressive from what I've heard, right, listen, that's what people say.

57:20 But when I looked at this, I looked at it from the from the standpoint that I know. I know how by boons act because I've watched them on TV and stuff enough. And by boons, when they find each other, they attack each other's face because they want you to know that they did damage to you. And if if gugus are type of by boon, that makes sense that people would call them face eaters because they're going to attack your face because they want you to know. Hey, this is this is what happens when you mess with me. This this animal that I've seen. I was. I got around thirty feet from it, for its started showing any anxiety that I was there, and it started rolling this limp up and smiling at me, and I knew that old man, it was getting nervous, and so I backed off from it, but I said and watched it though fifteen minutes sat there and it didn't care that I was after after it established listen, you can't come closer about thirty feet, I backed off and watched it and I sat there. It didn't know, it didn't care that I was watching it. And I sat there thinking, how can these things not be not be a filmed and stuff or by people who wanted to see them? When he clearly didn't care that I'm sitting here watching him and I've got I had a flashlot that had the whole area lit up, you know, like daytime, and he was just sitting there or going by his business.

58:54 But it's pretty interesting and how they act. But I don't know if it's just my unfortunate that I don't put off any or any signs of fear or anything to make them aggressive. And whenever I see them doing something that I think means, hey, you might need to back up, I don't wait for them to ask me. I back up and get back recreencly, and I don't I personally don't have a problem with it, but I take chances that I don't. I don't recommend that anybody that doesn't know what they're doing to us. I've put in. I put in a lot of hours, not just watching these things, but I see them do something, and then I'd go back and see if I could find a video of known apes doing the same thing, and then I would I would research why they're doing this, what what is the reason? And I'm not an expert on them.

1:00:04 I'm not a primatologist or anything like that. I just I just look at what they do and compare it to other stuff and kind of hope that if it comes down to it or making a brass or a decision or a quick decision, I make the right one on what I've what I've learned fascinating. Do you think how do you categorize a gugi? Do you think that's like a bigfoot dog man, some weird ape creature? Where does it fall in the cryptid categories? My thinking on this and I'll tell you my thinking on it or is from talking with people that that would know, but or that as far as I'm going to go downega, I think in North America before the Europeans came, there was probably as many non human primate species aches as in Africa now. And I think that when the Europeans came, they bought diseases that they couldn't fight, and it killed out all of them except some isolated breeding populations. And you know, it takes three to five hundred years for a species to learn to adapt to different sicknesses and things and then start thriving. The ones who are the ones who were adapted to fight that office survive and they breed the next generation. And I think the reason why

1:01:37 people were starting to see them more now and it's been basically around five hundred years since or why or Europeans have come over here with those diseases and now the population is starting to adjust out to it and they're thriving now. Or they might have been living hand to mouth for three hundred fifty four hundred years, and that would explain why only one person ever now and then's all one does it went many? But now that they're thriving and there, their population is growing and they're having more instances of babies surviving the adulthood the breach. I think that's the reason why people seeing more of them. But going back to your question, I think that when you hear people say, well, this was a Type one, or this was a Type two or Type three, or they're talking about a different subspecies, just like you don't say, all right, every every ape is the same ape. But you've got a chimpanzee who is a Type eight, or you got a bonnabo's the type or B, or you got a grilla as a Type C. All right, we got different names for those. Even though they're related, they're not the same thing. You know, there's a there's a difference in an orangutane and a grilla, but they're both related. And I think that's kind of like what people don't understand. We just don't know the names of it. I'm

1:03:08 pretty sure they there was a time when people could set around and talk about gugees and bookers and and know the different kinds and that it probably they understood there was different kinds, and the knowledge is just lost. So people they all think there's one big foot running all over the country, scare and everybody right, and they think that it's immortal that can't go in and out of demensions and all this stuff, and that's just now, that's not that's not my opinion. I don't I don't get in all that woo stuff. Everything that I've seen and what I've seen is based on actual encounters. They're just they're just a corporal animal that's just trying to live and do its best life, and everybody leave alone. Fascinating Joe, Wow, But thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on what you've seen over the years, and we had we've had some good chat about bigfoot, gug we and everything in between.

1:04:18 But I'm sure people are curious how you know, we know your first name, but how do people reach out to you Joe's Is there any way that happens if they have an issue with their property? Well? Oh, usually people find me from word of mouth. Oh. I've had several people who have heard me on different podcasts and they've called the host and the host cable and information. That's fine, okay, yeah, well they called you. I can do that, dude. But yeah, I'm not like, oh, I'm not like just out there. This is not the only thing I do. It's part of what I do. But any body that if they hear your podcasts and they say, hey, how did I get to help this guy? I tell them, I tell the host just send them, send them my phone number and we'll have a conversation. All right, came on, I'll do it. But yeah, I mean in the local area, everybody says, my truck drive around, it's got my phone number.

1:05:23 Where the sign that says that have you seen me with a sash watch on it? My my local phone numbers, and so I love it. But yeah, usually it's word of mile. Uh. I have had people that have contacted a host and and I've got I've got a fire pit around the backyard, and I said around and listen to them about every night at my house. Wow, And I have people come down here and we'll talk about their what they're going through. And then they start here and stuff and they're like they're really around here, aren't they? And I'm like, yeah, they're all over. But yeah, I'll have people that come and we said round bonfire and talk about it whatnot, or that we'll have a phone conversation, video conversations, just different things like that. Sure, oh may then, well, a lot of people do find me on Facebook or I thought with a lot of people messengers, gotcha? Well is there you go.

1:06:27 Listeners. If you want to get in touch with Joe, you gotta just send me a direct message on Facebook or you can email me Big Society at gmail dot com and I'll get you hooked up. But Joe, thank you so much for hanging out tonight, and keep me in the loop if anything else interesting happens in the future, and I'm sure we'll chat at a later time. Okay, yeah, wait, well I'll keep be informed. You have a good night. Thank you, sir. You're a Big for Society. Article is to provide a platform for the that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment, but we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening