Joe the Sasquatch Whisperer of Mississippi

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I sat there and looked at him, and he sat there and looked at

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me, and he uh, he
looked up at me. When he saved

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me look at me, he dropped
his eyes to the ground and dropped his

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head a little bit, and then
he looked up again. And you know,

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at this time, I didn't know. You know, you don't sat

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there and look at the animal in
the aisle or any kind of wild animal.

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But man, I was sitting there, thinking, I'll never say nothing

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like this again. So I was
I was looking all I can and I

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wasn't necessarily look at him in the
eye, but I was staring at him.

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And he did that two or three
times, and then he he huffed

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at me. But I get right
there, but it was a lot,

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it was a lot deeper, and
he took a step sideways towards the h

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the river right there. You're listening
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so let's get on with the show
three two one. All right, Big

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Society, You've got the privilege of
talking to Joe. He is a hunter

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in the great state of Mississippi,
and he approached me about some interesting things

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he's had happened in the woods.
But how's it going today, Joe?

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Oh? Pretty good? How are
you doing? Oh? I'm doing great.

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Just having a nice relaxing day in
Iowa, and had a great bigfoot

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presentation the other day, So I
really can't complain right now. You said

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you've been around a few different states, and it sounds like you have some

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really interesting stories about well what most
people might call bigfoot, but we already

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chat you refer to them as bookers
because of the area of the country.

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That's that's the common terminology, right. But I'm just really curious to hear

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your story about how you got all
involved in dealing with these creatures. Okay,

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Well, just so from the part
of the country that I mean,

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everybody knows what a wooly booger is
or a Boogerman or or wood booger,

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so they've always talked about kind of
like they talk about the boogee Man or

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the Boogeyman and stuff, And I
always thought it was just a way to

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scare kids into doing what they're supposed
to do, you know. And I

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grew up with my grandmother and they
lived in Tennessee, and her daddy in

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law was actually really about you get
home at night before dark. If you're

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not coming, I'm going to be
if you're not coming that dark and I

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can't holler and hear you coming and
you holler back, I'm gonna come looking

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for you. And so, you
know, I've always thought, well,

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you know, oh, that's something
that you'll never see, you know,

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kind of kind of like any other
old wives tale. But moving on up

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to when I when I first saw
one was in two thousand and five.

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I was down in Texas by the
Nats River, and it was between the

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time when Hurricane Katrina had already hit
and Hurricane Reader was about to hit Southeast

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Texas. And I worked at a
paper mill down there in Eitherdale, Texas,

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and I was checking lots over by
Evadale High School and it runs right

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along the Natus River, and I
was it was about three thirty in the

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afternoon. It was it was not
overcast or anything, this pretty day,

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and while I was checking doors,
I heard something felt like a chimpanzee.

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Well, I haven't know. I
hadn't been down there very long at that

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time, and and you know,
I grew up in the Woodlandson and north

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or west Alabama, or south central
Tennessee and north or west Mississippi, so

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I said, and wasn't even thinking
about any kind of prime made or anything.

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I thought, well, I wonder
what kind of bird that is makes

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that kind of sound. It sounds
almost like a chimpanzee. And so I

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started walking down along the river and
I seen its back to me, and

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it was squatted down and digging through
I'm a sermon looking for a fall fish

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or something. But when I first
seen it, I thought it was a

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bear souse. That's the only thing
that size I could have thought that it

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could have been. And it turned
its heads when it heard me sideways a

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little bit, and when I saw
its ear, I knew it wasn't a

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bear as a primate here. And
so I sat there looking at it,

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thinking this ain't no bear. And
by that time it stood up and turned

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around and and looked at me,
and we watched each other for a while,

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and make a long story short,
eventually it went across the river and

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headed west instead of coming up a
bank. But I look at the triok

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that I was in. It was
about two hundred feet away. I looked

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at him and he was about ninety
feet away, and I was like,

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yeah, he wants me. He's
got me, So I might as well

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just stay here and observe what I
see. And even at this time,

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sasquatch, bigfoot, budger or whatever
that wasn't in my on my radar,

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my thanking. I think it was
there something that's got loose from a from

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a zoo or sanctuary or something from
Katrina, and it's running around here.

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So I went back and talked with
my supervisor about it, and he was

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like, now I've heard anything at
any kind of wildlife at loose and nothing.

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And it wasn't until I went home. I was Saturday evening, a

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Sunday morning. I called my grandma
and I talked to her on Sunday morning.

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Spot went the way and I was
like, you ain't gonna believe what

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I saw. It's the weirdest looking
thing. And she said, oh,

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you saw a bugger. I mean, just as a matter of fact,

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well I saw a bugger. I
thought, y'all you said they weren't real

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so well with y'all's kids. We
didn't want to scare y'all. They don't

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bother you most of the time.
And so that's the first time I saw

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one. And after I got to
setting around and thinking about why I saw,

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I thought, well, if they're
down here in the wood, I'm

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a I'm a hunter. I hunt
hogs, I hunt deer. On cality,

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I like cats. You know,
I don't need to know about these

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things because if they're here, what
if I'm in the elbow deep in the

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gut pile or something one shows up? Is they gonna want my adult my

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deer or my hall or is it
gonna want me? Or is it gonna

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want both of us? You know? Oh? I I was ignorant on

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that, and I had to.
I had to for my own self figure

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out how to co exists and no, I guess the rules of the game

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when they showed up. So that's
what got me started on it, and

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I've been doing it. Greateen years. Joe, that is absolutely such a

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fascinating first encounter story. How close
is that area of Everdale from the Big

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Thicket National Preserve? Oh, it's
right up for are in it? Oh,

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it's so it bumps up to it. I had a house in Orange

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County that actually bumped up to the
big thicket too, And for a long

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time I thought I had an ad
problem, and it was actually sasquats coming

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around my house. Really, what
kind of things was that sasquat students your

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house? Then mostly it was coming
around moving stuff in the yards I had.

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I had a rottwaller that on my
dog food would come up missing like

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I would. I had a two
gallon uh food bowl that I fill up

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with dog food and the next day
I fed my dog needing before I went

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to work. Next day I'd come
back and be gone, and uh my

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dog would have been inside the house
all evening. So I knew it didn't

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get it, And so I looked
around. I couldn't find any any foot

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French and that I just fived some
smud just here there because the ground was

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hard down there work where there wasn't
sand that was it was a swamp of

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muck at when it drives as hard. And so I thought, well,

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or you could smell, you could
smell a residual or smell there, And

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I thought, well, must be
hoggs coming in and getting this dog food

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and I eventually moved it out of
the way. But you know, just

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just that little stuff like that.
It wasn't anything major. Uh. I'd

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come home at after work or I
worked through the leven shift, and there

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would be a real bad odor around
the house, and I grabbed my shot

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gun and walked around the perimeter or
the tree line looking for hogs to make

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sure that wentn't nothing. I'nna jump
out at me before I got to the

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house. But just just a little
stuff like that. Did you ever hear

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any vocalizations around your house at that
time? Not at that time, I

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didn't. Uh. Most of the
time it was just smils and and something

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would slap the house, just ever
now and then. And and it wasn't

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until years later that I put that
house slapping with buggers. It made sense

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then, uh, or after after
I connected it. But you know,

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I was like, well, I
don't know what smacks the house or if

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the house is saddling or what you
know, but that's what it was.

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That's that's very interesting. That comes
up more often than not. So were

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you actually hearing the slaps or was
things were things falling off inside the house

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or what kind of would happen when
there were slaps involved at this or at

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this time my wife or at the
time it just had our first son and

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he he was twenty one days old
when Hurricane could read a hit. And

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so when when we brought our son
home, that's when the slapping on the

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house started. And I don't know
if it was like a female that was

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just interested and and would try to
get a reaction out of the baby or

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what, because I never actually saw
the one there. Oh, but it

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was just the or whenever he got
there, that's when the house slapping and

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the smells around the house started being
almost continuous as far as the daily activity.

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So so interesting. I want to
go back to your the first encounter

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that you shared where you actually you
were able to see face to face back

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in Eva Dale, Texas, and
you know, thinking, you know,

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put yourself back in You're you're looking
directly at that face. What are some

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things that you can pick out through
your memories of what you noticed about that

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face. The first thing that I
noticed was, at no time did this

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is a human cross my mind?
What I was looking at what had had

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a body of a big gorilla.
But but the faceal fixtures was more like

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a rangatang. It didn't have those
fringes on the side like mail rangatangs have

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on their face. But the forehead
was a slope kind of like that,

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and had a really pronounced brow.
The nose was really wide and flat.

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It was a charcoal color. The
skin was charcoal color, but it was

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dry, kind of like you see
an old h I guess a saddle leather,

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or like an old boots when a
dry up mail or a get really

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wrinkled. It was it was like
that. I didn't see any pronounced knines

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on it. It never it never
showed me its teeth, but whenever I

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looked at it, a spatial expression
was mirror and what I was thinking,

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and it's like, crap, I've
got caught, you know what, what

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are we gonna do? How we're
gonna get out this? We'll be back

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would look across the river and then
they would look back at me, and

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I would look at the truck and
I look back at him, and it's

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like we were both kind of side. How we're gonna do or get by

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this? You know? Without without
any more interaction than we had to do.

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But there wasn't There wasn't any any
hair like on his nose and his

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cheeks, but and his upper lip. But around the edge of his spaces

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it was hair. And Danny's neck
and everything. It's a chest didn't have

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as much hair on him. Oh, there's almost like an inverted human.

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Human males have a lot of hair
on a chest and the back is so

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he's not got much hair on it. He was almost inverted into that work.

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He didn't have as much hair on
his chest, but you know,

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every words else it wasn't He had
some gray or mixed in with it.

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He had a bald spot on the
top of his head up there, which

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is kind of interesting. It made
his forehead look even longer. And if

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I had to guess, I'd say
he was probably along the same developmental or

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age as a human man that was
just passed his prime. Did you notice

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anything about the hands specifically, Well, they were huge. I bet he

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could grab a basketball the way that
we could grab a grape fro Oh,

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they're huge. Oh, it's very
interesting, and it sounds like at the

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end you both didn't want to be
in that situation. How did that all

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end up? Did you kind of
say, well, see you later?

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Or I sat there and looked at
him, and he sat there and looked

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at me, and he looked up
at me. When he saved me look

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at me, he dropped his eyes
to the ground and dropped his head a

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little bit, and then he looked
up again. And you know, at

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this time, I didn't know.
You know, you don't sat there and

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look at the animal in the aisle
or any kind of wild animal. But

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man, I was sitting there thinking, I'll never say net like this again.

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So I was I was looking all
I can and I wasn't necessarily look

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at him in eye, but I
was staring at him. And he did

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that two or three times, and
then he he huffed at me. But

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I can't right there, but it
was it was a lot deeper. And

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he took a step sideways towards the
the river and he or watched me and

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he walked out in the river.
And I don't know how. I don't

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know how he did it. I
never saw him swim like a swim,

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as always walking. And when he
got out about a halfway it was up

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to his chest where he was walking
and he looked back at me that last

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time, and he turned around and
he walked on and he kept his hands

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above the water like I don't I
don't understand, like the palms were the

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palms were facing the top of the
water, and his elbows were bent like

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ninety degrees. And he kept going
across like that, And when he got

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halfway out to the in the water, he quit looking at me, and

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he had he added the b line
to the other side of the river,

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and on the other side of the
river, he got over there and went

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up the side of the bank there
and he took off to the left.

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I was facing south, so he
was going west, and I seen about

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two or three seconds, but he
was running, and he was moving so

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fast. His almost blurry from that
distance, if that makes sense. But

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I'm not sure if that wasn't just
his hair flowing in the back from him

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running. But I mean I seen
him two or three times and that was

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it. Never heard any limbs break
that like that. Oh oh, he

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was just silent in the woods and
gone. That's fascinating. Have you ever

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heard of any other interactions with other
people and creatures like that in that area?

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Yeah? Oh, I got I
got to talking with some people down

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there and in that part of the
country. It's taken for granted that they're

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doing there. Oh the big thing
around cow buy you down there on the

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Nats River. Oh, you know
people know about it. Wow. Man,

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that's wild. It's It's an area
I haven't heard come up yet,

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but I have a feeling we might
be hearing some more about it. Talking

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to you before this interview a little
bit back and forth on email, Facebook,

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things like that. It sounds like
you've had interactions with creatures like this

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over the last you said, eighteen
years, right, Yeah, and you

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kind of have an interesting connection with
you know, can you explain or what

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you would like to have explained what
it is how your life intersects with these

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booger creatures, these big foots,
what you do in regards to them.

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Well, first of all, I'm
not out in the woods with lots running

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around trying to find them. You
know, I thought, if they want

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you to see them, oh,
I've learned, they're going to show theirselves

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to you. Why why I seem
to be a magnet for them, I've

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got no clue. Oh. All
I did was I took an interest in

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the beginning, and I wanted to
know about them for my own personal reasons.

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You know, if oh I've grown
up or there hunting and hall hunting

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and and been in the woods,
that that that's my safe places in the

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woods. So if there's something in
there that I don't know about it,

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it's my job to know all I
can. Because a lot of people see

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one and they phraze up and they're
scared. Well, the reason why it's

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because they don't know what to do
in that situation. When you've got when

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you've got knowledge and understanding, at
least even a periphery or understanding of something,

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and you kind of know what to
expect and you know how to kind

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of judge what they're doing, you're
less likely to be afraid. And that

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that was my whole purpose in getting
started on this. I quit hunting there,

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I quit hunting hogs, I quit
squirrel hunting, I quit fishing,

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and I started focusing on this.
And you know, I've I've seen some

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pretty interesting things, some stuff that
I don't even believe all happened. And

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I was there, so you know, oh, those are things to ponder

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on. Oh, but yeah,
I've been I've been doing uh this since

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two thousand and five. And it's
just like a rabbit hole. Once you

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go down and did you keep going
farther and farther and farther, So you

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are you are then a booker hunter? Is what are a bigfoot hunter?

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It sounds like, yes, not
to kill them, but to observe them.

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Uh, you know, I've I've
heard of people who claimed to be

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experts that say, oh, I
went down areas, things screamed at me

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and chased me back to my car
and I barely got out of there.

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Well that's not very much. Well
that's not much of an expert if you

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or don't understand one of them enough
that they got to chase you out of

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the woods because they've already told you
nicely or several times in my experience,

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before it gets to that point.
You know, it's just like somebody comes

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in your house and you don't want
them there, and you ask them to

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leave, and they don't leave,
and then you say, well listen,

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you got to go, and they
still don't go. Well, you've got

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to go from being plit to being
forceable to get them out of your house.

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And when you go into woods,
you're in their house that's all.

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I never I never go inside the
tree lines in any forest and not expect

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to be observed. So when you
go and you have these interactions, are

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you going in specifically to observe or
are you trying to get them to leave

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an area then? Or well,
I've never actually tried to get them just

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to leave. I have had people
has had has had some problems that they

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call and and we talk about it, and I've come seen their their property

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and things. Uh oh, I've
seen some pretty strange stuff and those experiences.

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But the what I what I try
to do is just see if you

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can figure out a medium where everybody
can get along. You know, you

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ain't got to be best friends,
and you're not going to be you you

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you don't want any more or interaction
with them than you have to have because

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their way of thinking is different than
ours. They're not they're not civilized a

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lot we are, and even though
they have some of the same actions,

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the reasons behind it's different. And
so when people call, I go check

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your property out. Now we talk
about what happens, and then it grew

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us from there. But the only
time you're gonna have a really big problem

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with him is if if you associate
yourself with a food source, they're going

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to compete with you over it,
and you're not gonna win. I know.

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I thought always remembered my old grandmother's
daddy in law. He had two

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of gardens. He had one that
was behind the house up there, and

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then he had one about a quarter
a mile back down the road and in

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the woods, and he would tell
them he would when that got planted and

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started growing, he say this is
y'alls, and then it pointed up her

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to the house and say that's mine
up there. Y'all. Y'all get all

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this you want, but stay out
of my And I always thought that was

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weird. I was like, who
are you talking to? It's like,

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oh, well, buggers hear me. They know who I'm who I'm talking

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to. And so I've taken that
if people got a food source problem,

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we talk about stuff like that and
trying to figure out a way to make

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sure that it's not going to be
a confrontation. But yeah, I don't

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ever try to run nothing off.
You know, they're a lot bigger than

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me. The fact that I'm still
here means that they're not vindictive or general

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or wanting to kill me. But
they've had plenty of chances, but just

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stuff like that. Oh, I
try to make sure that most most of

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the time, people who contact me
you are already scared. They've heard me

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on a podcast or somewhere, and
you've logged me up on the internet.

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And the first thing they usually say
is, I want to talk to you

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about something, but I promise I'm
not crazy. And I think that I

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think that's interesting that everybody assumes that
if you mentioned big foot, then you're

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don't think you're crazy. Oh.
Absolutely, A lot of people don't want

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to go on the air or record
and talk to me, and it half

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the people don't end up showing up
figuratively just because they don't want to be

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seen as crazy. And it's it's
not a crazy thing because this stuff is

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actually happening. But when you get
called to come to a property, what

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are the things you notice that tell
you, Okay, I'm dealing with something

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real here. This is actually something
that's going on. Okay. When when

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somebody calls me and they say I
think I'm having something going on and I

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think it's a big foot. Before
I even go there, I asked them

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a listen, what kind of predators
do you got in your area? Or

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have you actually seen a predator like
a cauty or a big cat, bobcat,

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anything like that, or any of
these red wolves that that's moving in

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that they're mixing with caudies. You
know, that's a different animal in the

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caldy and it's up. But we
go through and we talk about that.

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If they hadn't seen anything, I
say, well, why do you think

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it's a big foot? And they'll
start talking, maybe they've heard something or

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they've seen a glimpse or something that
they came in their mind. Oh say

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that that's what it is. And
until they get to talking about it,

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and I say, well, if
it's not a big foot, what else

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could it be? You know?
And so after after we talk, if

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they want me to come, the
first thing I do when I get there

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is I walk. I walk the
property with the people in the areas where

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they tell me that they've had interactions
or they've had a sighting, and I

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look for things like property territorial markers. We'll be back with more big Foot

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Society after these words from our sponsors. Twisted Limbs about six and a half

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the nine feet up be twisted and
then broke. You know. That's uh,

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that's different than than storm damage.
Storm damage winds, they'll just blow

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it and break it. But if
something's been twisted to the point where it's

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just snapped over and then there's nothing
nests on that tree that's like that,

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or there's no other trees or any
kind of damage like that, that that

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gets my attention. U boat over
ciplings that are that are weighted down with

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another piece of wood that couldn't get
there naturally. That's something I look for.

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Any kind of tree structure that shouldn't
be there. Oh, just just

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stuff like that. And then oh, after I look for if I don't

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say stuff like that, I start
looking for the waterways. Is there a

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creek running through there? Is along
the river? Is there high high ground

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anywhere where something can be set up
there? And watch the area and just

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different things like that. And if
I if I think that there's something there,

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I'll tell them and I'll tell them
why I think that what's going on,

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And it's pretty much on an individual
base. There's there's no two things

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that's exactly the same each time.
And that's what people don't seem to understand.

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They want to. They want to
say, well, if if a

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Sassquah does this, this is the
reason why he does it. Well,

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in my opinion, if a Sasquatch
does it's the only reason why you say

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he did, it's because he wants
to or she wants to. There's no

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rhyme or reason. Just like trying
to figure out why different people do different

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things, there's no rhyme or reason
to it a lot of times, but

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it makes sense to them once you
understand what they're doing. Are there things

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you find yourself seeing, usually to
people that are having issues, like,

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Okay, you need to stop doing
this. Stop doing this in order to

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live more peaceably or peacefully with these
creatures. Yes, over no where,

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say quit feeding them, quit quit
putting out, quit putting out some kind

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of gift or whatever. Because these
animals, if you give them and don't

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expect nothing in return, they're going
to see that as a weakness and they're

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gonna think they can harass you even
more to get more out of you.

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In a lot of ways, they
understand trade in the same way as Native

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Americans all do and did back when
the white man rush come here. You

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give something only to get something with
them. If you were if you were

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setting here and h and you got
them coming in your yards and they're picking

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up stuff, and they're looking at
things, and they're not bringing them back

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and putting them right back where they
found them, or if they're or if

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they're picking up stuff and or taking
off with them, and then you say,

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oh, well that's a nice that's
a neat looking animal. I'm gonna

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feed him. Well, you feed
him, he's gonna he or she's gonna

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realize I can get a free meal
here. I ain't got a hunt my

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stuff. Well, that's all fine
and good until the day that you don't

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do that. And here's the thing. They might get mad at you,

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and and they may not tear up
your stuff, but while they're mad,

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they may go half a mile,
mile, even ten miles down the road

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and something else or somebody else may
have been or may have done something or

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ignorantly or without even knowing their round
to piss them off, and then they

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tear their stuff up, you know, So they don't they don't care as

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far as individual wise, in other
words, that if they get mad at

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one person, they're gonna take it
out on the next person that they that

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they come across, even if that
person hadn't done anything. And you know,

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there's a lot lot of people running
run in the woods, pissing them

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off, and then when they jump
in a car and leave, the people

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that live in that area, I
have to deal with the aftermath of that.

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And I'm real, I'm real conscientious
of what I do when I'm there

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because I don't want to have them
have to deal with the fallout with me

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after I leave. But yeah,
don't feed them. They don't need they

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don't need you help. They don't
want to be your friend. They just

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want you to leave them along.
But they they're just like any other opportunitistic

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animal. If they can get a
freemail, they're gonna get it. It

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doesn't mean that they're going to be
your friend. They're going to use you

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until you're not useful anymore. Then
they're either gonna trry your stuff up and

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leave, or they're gonna find somebody
else to feed them. But that's just

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the nature of things. That's good
advice. There's a question that I'm starting

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to ask people. Logically, it
doesn't make sense that you would be able

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to answer this, but I'm just
gonna everyone I talked to, I mean

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asking it now, were you involved
with the siege in Oklahoma in two thousand,

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I know that's before you had your
first sighting. You know you're talking

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about henobia. Yeah, yeah,
No, I'm not involved in any of

407
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:28.920
that. Oh I do know.
I do know some people or through through

408
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:36.400
or my journey, I thought I
have spoken with people involved in that.

409
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.079
For their own privacy, I won't
say who. It is a law,

410
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:45.559
but I do know about the situation. But I wasn't involved in that.

411
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:51.880
When it happens, no, no
sweats. Someday I hope to talk to

412
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.440
someone involved and maybe if I talk
about it, it'll come my way.

413
00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.679
So over the years, Joe,
has there been a time when you know,

414
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:06.039
your first encounter it was it was
pretty pretty mild, and you know,

415
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.239
both of you just wanted to get
away from each other. Had had

416
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:13.599
there been a time when you're in
the woods and things just got maybe a

417
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.960
little intense, and you're like,
I kind of wish I wasn't in this

418
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:23.840
situation because things are getting a little
bit wild. There was one time that

419
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:29.559
I thought I wasn't going to make
it out of the woods, and I

420
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:34.840
had in the earlier days, I
had a rock waller and black lab mix,

421
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.960
and he was solid black. His
name was Shadow, and he looked

422
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.480
like a giant pit Bullbo was rely
looked like, but he was a rock

423
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:47.280
waller and lab makes and I would
take him in the woods with me everywhere

424
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.880
we went, whether I went crab
grab ll fishing down there, or if

425
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:57.320
I went a squirrel hunt or whatever, I tuck in with me in the

426
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.760
woods. And when I started hunting
these things, because he was a well

427
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:08.920
trained dog and he had better senses
than I did in the dark, I

428
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.599
took him with me and I would
watch him as much as I would watch

429
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.280
my surroundings. And if he ever
headed to the truck, I knew that

430
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.800
was time for me to go before
things got worse. But we were down

431
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.760
in a preserve in law Dale County, Alabama one night and we're walking around

432
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.800
and he bowled up on something,
and looking back, I think it was

433
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:37.239
probably a little blugger that he bowed
up on. I didn't see it,

434
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:43.400
but as soon as he did,
there was a roaring, I mean it

435
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:47.679
sound like a dinosaur holler, and
on both sides of the trail, and

436
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:55.599
he took off a beeline for the
truck. And I took off. It

437
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.119
took me thirty minutes to walk back
there, and I think I got back

438
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.880
in the truck in about ten.
But the whole time they were they were

439
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:09.039
running me out there there There was
at least a dozen or more and there

440
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.599
was some behind me, some right
along outside me, and some ahead of

441
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.159
me. And I sat there thinking, though I may not get out of

442
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.360
here, and but they never tried
to hurt me. They just every time

443
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.679
I slowed down, they would slap
bushes, holler, scream. It's almost

444
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.840
like running the guntlet, if that
makes sense. But I was thinking this

445
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:36.719
must be how they heard deer to
a kills one or something. But even

446
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.559
in I was getting out of there, and I found my dog. He

447
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:44.480
was underneath my toolbox in the back
of my truck when I got up there,

448
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.039
and this is this is one hundred
and ten pound alf you know.

449
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.400
It was its big golf And when
I opened the door, he knocked me

450
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:57.039
down to get inside the cab of
the truck. Yeah, I left out

451
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.360
there and I didn't go back for
a couple of months after after that time.

452
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.079
Let's calm down, But yeah,
that's the only time. And like

453
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:10.119
I said, I think the dog
triggered something. And at that time I

454
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:15.039
wasn't trying to figure out why they
were they were doing that. I just

455
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.320
survival or mode to get out there. We'll think about why later. But

456
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.599
yeah, oh on general though,
I don't I don't have any problems.

457
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:31.440
So like that because I've learned.
I've learned there's signs they give you when

458
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:36.280
they don't want you there, and
as they as they start amping up stuff,

459
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.920
that's time to get gone. I
find that really interesting. Can you

460
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.519
go into what are the signs that
you notice when they don't want you in

461
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:53.280
a certain area, when they when
you're there, and they know you're there

462
00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.239
before you even got an idea there, they've already been watching you. That's

463
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.000
my experience. But when you get
to a place that they don't want you

464
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.840
there, the first thing they'll do
is start making noise so that you know,

465
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.239
you know that they're around. They'll
walk around the camp or where you

466
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.679
hear it, and it's like you're
trying to give you a sub door.

467
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.239
Hint, well, you know,
kind of leave and if we're walking around

468
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:30.760
and h and the stuff, you
might hear a tree limb snap, you

469
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.199
might hear you might hear a huff
something like that. All right, if

470
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.760
you don't take the hint that they
want you to leave, then they'll start

471
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.559
throwing little stuff at you. And
that's like, listen, all right,

472
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:49.400
I've tried to tell you that I
don't want you here. Apparently you you

473
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.440
didn't get the hint. So I'm
throwing stuff. I'm letting you know I'm

474
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:57.960
here. I want you to leave
for whatever reason. You know, if

475
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.719
that don't work, and let's let's
just say that you don't get it,

476
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.280
or you think that's a squirrel throwing
acorns at your whatever, you think it's

477
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.639
funny, and you just sat there, say well, they're gonna move on

478
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:15.000
up a little bit more. They're
probably gonna shake a tree, They're gonna

479
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.960
slap a tree, something like that
to let you show listen, I'm here,

480
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.239
I can do this to this tree. You know, you need to

481
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:32.320
leave. And at that point,
if if they you don't leave, they're

482
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:38.239
either gonna try to throw something really
big at you, or they're gonna they're

483
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:43.320
going to or try to rush you, or they're gonna scream at you or

484
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:47.159
whatever. But but every time they
change tactics, they amp it up a

485
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.559
little bit so you understand I don't
want you here. I want you to

486
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:57.000
leave. And it's not like they're
trying to kill you, because if they

487
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.400
were, you had never heard them. They're they're showing you, hey,

488
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.400
I'm here, this is my space, No move on. And I have

489
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.559
had times where they started out like
that and I talked to them pitch.

490
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:15.679
Oh. That might sound crazy,
but I think they can understand language,

491
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:22.239
if not verbal language, I think
they understand your your non verbal body language.

492
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.960
So I have had them start throwing
stuff at me, little stuff,

493
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.119
and I start talking and then they
quit. They don't leave the area.

494
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:36.280
They watch you, but they're just
watching to see what you're doing, and

495
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.440
if you're up to something, they'll
run you out of there. That they're

496
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.320
just like any other animal. You're
not going to be dangerous around their their

497
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:50.039
kids or their family, or disrespectful
or anything. But they'll tolerate you when

498
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:55.000
you when you know and eat eats
situations different. It's not like I can

499
00:43:55.360 --> 00:44:00.400
I can say, all right,
first they're gonna throw little stuff, and

500
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.719
then they're gonna shake trees, and
then they're gonna stream it and then go

501
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.679
like that. It's just whatever they
decide to do. It starts out or

502
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:13.639
late at a lower intensity, and
then it goes from there. But if

503
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:19.159
if you're out camping and you see
something like that, or sometimes the only

504
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:23.679
the way you know they're there is
you'll you'll smell them or see them or

505
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:32.119
walking around the outside of your fire
lot or where the white or stops.

506
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:39.079
Have you ever heard of a situation
and you've been involved with multiple states?

507
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:45.119
I know from our conversation prior,
but where there were let's see, maybe

508
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:52.000
researchers or individuals where they didn't get
the hint and things got rather escalated.

509
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:59.480
Have you ever been involved with hearing
about situations like that? I have heard

510
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:04.679
about, uh, stuff like that. Oh, most most of the stuff

511
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:10.440
that I hear is from experts who
get run out of the woods. We'll

512
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:19.519
be back with more Bigfoot Society after
these words from our sponsors. Oh and

513
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.719
like I said, if you're getting
run out of the woods, you're not

514
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.519
much of an expert. It's kind
of like saying, no, I ran

515
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.159
off a flock of starlings out of
my yard, so I'm an old bird

516
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.760
expert now on them. But you
know you can you can get on the

517
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:44.599
internet and look at whatever sep proclaimed
experts out there, and and when you

518
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.639
read their story and you see them
telling that, you realize they don't know

519
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.400
what they're doing, and you know
that's all over there. As far as

520
00:45:52.800 --> 00:46:00.360
me personally, I try not to
get to that part that's res while I

521
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.679
go into woods by myself. Oh, I take somebody every now and then,

522
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:09.440
but it's usually somebody who is on
the property or they're wanting to know

523
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.039
something, and I take them with
me to show them that was something.

524
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:24.880
To answer the question, can you
talk to maybe people that you know want

525
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:30.800
to go out on a weekend to
try to find Bigfoot? Are there ways

526
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:35.039
that they can try to interact with
the creature that would not be you know,

527
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:43.280
getting them angry, but also you
know, not not provoking. I

528
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:47.559
guess you could say, right,
first of all, just before I tell

529
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.679
you this, I'm gonna say,
I don't condone you doing that, all

530
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:57.239
right, Oh absolutely I don't either. But if you're if you're going to

531
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:04.480
do that, or let them come
to you when or you see these shows

532
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.960
of people running out in the woods
and got all these lights shining up,

533
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.920
they never find anybody. They're never
going to find anybody, because that's like

534
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:17.880
an alien coming down into your backyard
and shining lasers and stuff all over the

535
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:22.000
place. You're gonna sit and hide
and right see what they're up to.

536
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.400
You're not gonna go out there and
and take a chance of getting hit with

537
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.360
one of them because you don't know
what they do. You know, well,

538
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.840
in this case, we're the alien, or you got we got those

539
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:38.119
who are bright flashlights and at night, a really strong beamed flashlight is more

540
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:44.079
of a deterrent than a gun is. I've learned that over the years.

541
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:49.440
But if you want to, if
you want one to come up and check

542
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.119
you out, oh, the best
thing you do is just do your stuff

543
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:59.480
and act like your oblivious look around
in the in the campground where you might

544
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:04.400
find some signs that they may be
there, and that's and then just set

545
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:10.760
up and and when you cook outside. For example, if I think there's

546
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:16.320
some in an area and I've I've
been there a week or so and I

547
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:22.400
haven't seen one or heard one,
but something says they're here, I'll go

548
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:29.400
build meal, count fire out out
in the woods or along a tree line,

549
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.519
and I'll cook. I'll cook any
kind of pork or or or beef,

550
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.960
and I mixed the onions and bell
peppers with it. I seem to

551
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:44.280
draw them things up like a magnet. They like that smell for whatever reason

552
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:52.119
or or I have used beef liver. I'll cook that, and they seem

553
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.960
to like that. I just don't
like to eat beef liver and I don't

554
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.559
cook it, or generally because I'm
not a wasteful person, but I have

555
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:06.119
used that in the past. But
just the thing is, if you go

556
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:14.400
into their into their space, you've
got to be on your best behavior because

557
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:19.320
that's their space. If they come
into your space, they're gonna be on

558
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:24.239
their best behavior because they came to
you and you're there, and they can

559
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:30.599
leave and go somewhere's else and vice
versa. So if you want to see

560
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.800
one, first of all, I
question why there's a big there's a big

561
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:40.159
difference in people sitting here listening to
the podcast like this one and others and

562
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.559
saying, oh, that's a that's
a nice idea to go out and look

563
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:52.239
for these. Thanks. But when
you're within twenty feet of seven hundred and

564
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:59.440
fifty eight hundred pound animal that's nearly
twice your size, or probably three times,

565
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:04.039
is why as you are, that's
a different ball game. Oh that's

566
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:09.039
a that's something that you don't have
any protection from. You know, you

567
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:15.320
got that you got that phone or
computer screen protecting you from that thing.

568
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.679
And it's it's a good idea,
but when you get out there and that

569
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.719
thing can literally get you before you
turn around take two or three steps,

570
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.159
you got to know what you're doing, because you know, there's people comes

571
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:32.719
up missing the National forests all the
time, and you know, I don't

572
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.199
know what's getting on them, and
I don't know where they're going. But

573
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.679
I used to say, you know, hunters that disappear, maybe those are

574
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:46.559
the ones that actually shot at one
you know. Oh, but I heard

575
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:52.079
some really interesting things over the over
the episodes that I've talked to people,

576
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:57.599
especially in Alabama, where there's a
gentleman who shared about there was a hunter

577
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:04.039
who has found pretty much torn apart
underneath his underne if this tree stand and

578
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.599
I think it was northern Alabama.
But it's some wild stuff that you guys

579
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.039
have going on down there in the
South. For sure? Is that over

580
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:14.599
there and there Bankhead National Force?
Yeah, I'll tell you the truth.

581
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:20.679
I don't know the exact locale,
but yeah, it was pretty wild.

582
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:27.119
Yeah, Yeah, people down here. You can tell when people shoot at

583
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:31.960
them because they're really aggressive. Oh, but if you get you know,

584
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:38.280
they're just they're just like any other
animal. If you if you will shoot

585
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:45.880
at one and hurting, he's going
to remember what did it? And But

586
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:53.280
yeah, North Alabama, south central
Tennessee. They people And like I said,

587
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:59.199
it's almost got to the point where
it's like a boogerman top thing go

588
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:06.119
in. Oh, you never see
them unless you go looking for But most

589
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:09.760
people's not in the woods between the
eleven at night and five in the morning.

590
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:15.239
When you say south central Tennessee,
what counties are you referring to?

591
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:24.360
Just curious? Lawrence County, Wayne
County, Giles County, Mcmaarry County along

592
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:30.239
the Loan the state line along through
there. Oh, down by Alabama and

593
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:37.920
border. Yeah, down by Obama
and the Mississippi. Very interesting. Do

594
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.239
you think this is a random question, but do you think the government knows

595
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.320
more about Bigfoot than right now?
They're not saying really anything. They're kind

596
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:52.199
of focusing on UAPs and UFOs.
But you think there's maybe some hidden stuff

597
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:58.519
going on there. Oh, I
would I would say my opinion is I

598
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.559
believe so, Yes, the same
thing. We said the aliens were fake,

599
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:06.440
said that a bigfoot doesn't exists.
Now they're saying aliens or at least

600
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:10.400
you AP's are real. So you
know, you take that with a grain

601
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:15.440
of salt. But I think they've
known all along. And you know,

602
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:22.960
oh, in my in my journey, I have talked with some people,

603
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:28.880
and I honestly believe that the Department
of the Interior has known about them the

604
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:34.880
old time. H My My opinion
is that all of these national forests and

605
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.440
stuff that they that they created so
that they would have a habitat because they

606
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:51.039
can't cohabitate with people. And I
think that's probably worthy the reasoning if you

607
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.239
get down to the nitty gritty or
that they do it. I mean,

608
00:53:53.320 --> 00:54:01.199
you think about scattered all throughout the
country, even even around well civilization,

609
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:10.239
there's places that that's either wilife preserves
or there's national parks or or state parks

610
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:17.400
or something that people just tend to
labe alone. And you gotta ask yourself,

611
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.840
why did they choose those areas?
You know what, what what made

612
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:30.280
that area? They're different than an
area almost dislike it all five miles down

613
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.599
the road that wasn't made one exactly
like areas like land between the Lakes,

614
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.360
things like that. Yeah, there's
some weird stuff that happens in some of

615
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:44.199
these areas for sure, if you
start digging. I have a really really

616
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.599
random question to ask it as we
get as we start to wrap up.

617
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:54.760
So down in Mississippi, have you
ever run across or heard people talking about

618
00:54:54.800 --> 00:55:04.960
like a type of a pale creature, maybe crawler type creature, anything weird

619
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:10.239
like that in Mississippi. Now,
I personally have no experience with anything like

620
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:13.960
that. If I was in the
woods and something like that come up,

621
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.000
everybody, no nobody, because I
feel that thing and bring them out so

622
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:21.559
I listen. I was not drunk
or not. That was not how this

623
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:28.599
is what it was. Yeah,
and you know, but yeah, I've

624
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.239
never seen anything like that, And
you know, a lot of people talk

625
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.119
about dog men too. I've never
seen the dog man in the woods either.

626
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:40.639
I was going to just ask you. Yeah, I've seen an animal

627
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.239
that looks like a really large by
boom and a lot of people call them

628
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:51.920
gug wes. But this here,
this here doesn't look like what people describe

629
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:55.920
guglis as. This here looks like
a baboon, like a like an olive,

630
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.880
an olive or baboon in Africa.
You look at or look at this

631
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:07.960
creature, the body of morphology is
the same, but the coloring is different.

632
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.639
The head and neck is solid white
except for the eyebrows. It looks

633
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:16.960
like somebody took a big sharpie and
drew black eyebrows on it, all thick

634
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.079
eyebrows. But down down the stomach
gets solid white like a blaze, but

635
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:28.199
the rest of it's black. And
when it sets on the ground or eating

636
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.679
it's it's about three and a half
four foot tall setting on the ground.

637
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:40.599
And you know what, a baboon
only gets about thirty inches tall when it's

638
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:45.440
so you know this year, this
year is a huge animal. I actually

639
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:52.800
talked with the game boarding about it
and and he pretty much confirmed that he'd

640
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:54.159
seen the tracks, he knew it
was there. He had never seen the

641
00:56:54.199 --> 00:57:02.400
animal. Where whereabout? Whereabouts?
Did you see this gugui? It was

642
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:12.639
in a hunting preserve in northeast Mississippi. Wow, because I hear they're they're

643
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:19.719
extremely aggressive from what I've heard,
right, listen, that's what people say.

644
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:23.199
But when I looked at this,
I looked at it from the from

645
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:30.000
the standpoint that I know. I
know how by boons act because I've watched

646
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:36.000
them on TV and stuff enough.
And by boons, when they find each

647
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.039
other, they attack each other's face
because they want you to know that they

648
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:44.159
did damage to you. And if
if gugus are type of by boon,

649
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.199
that makes sense that people would call
them face eaters because they're going to attack

650
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:52.039
your face because they want you to
know. Hey, this is this is

651
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.920
what happens when you mess with me. This this animal that I've seen.

652
00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:00.760
I was. I got around thirty
feet from it, for its started showing

653
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:06.880
any anxiety that I was there,
and it started rolling this limp up and

654
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.360
smiling at me, and I knew
that old man, it was getting nervous,

655
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:14.119
and so I backed off from it, but I said and watched it

656
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:19.960
though fifteen minutes sat there and it
didn't care that I was after after it

657
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:24.519
established listen, you can't come closer
about thirty feet, I backed off and

658
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:30.239
watched it and I sat there.
It didn't know, it didn't care that

659
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.800
I was watching it. And I
sat there thinking, how can these things

660
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:38.280
not be not be a filmed and
stuff or by people who wanted to see

661
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:43.320
them? When he clearly didn't care
that I'm sitting here watching him and I've

662
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:49.559
got I had a flashlot that had
the whole area lit up, you know,

663
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:54.039
like daytime, and he was just
sitting there or going by his business.

664
00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:02.760
But it's pretty interesting and how they
act. But I don't know if

665
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:10.000
it's just my unfortunate that I don't
put off any or any signs of fear

666
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:17.159
or anything to make them aggressive.
And whenever I see them doing something that

667
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.320
I think means, hey, you
might need to back up, I don't

668
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:23.719
wait for them to ask me.
I back up and get back recreencly,

669
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:32.280
and I don't I personally don't have
a problem with it, but I take

670
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.519
chances that I don't. I don't
recommend that anybody that doesn't know what they're

671
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:44.199
doing to us. I've put in. I put in a lot of hours,

672
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.199
not just watching these things, but
I see them do something, and

673
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:53.280
then I'd go back and see if
I could find a video of known apes

674
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:59.320
doing the same thing, and then
I would I would research why they're doing

675
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:04.559
this, what what is the reason? And I'm not an expert on them.

676
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.639
I'm not a primatologist or anything like
that. I just I just look

677
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.960
at what they do and compare it
to other stuff and kind of hope that

678
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:19.000
if it comes down to it or
making a brass or a decision or a

679
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:23.440
quick decision, I make the right
one on what I've what I've learned fascinating.

680
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:28.239
Do you think how do you categorize
a gugi? Do you think that's

681
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:31.360
like a bigfoot dog man, some
weird ape creature? Where does it fall

682
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:39.280
in the cryptid categories? My thinking
on this and I'll tell you my thinking

683
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:46.719
on it or is from talking with
people that that would know, but or

684
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.960
that as far as I'm going to
go downega, I think in North America

685
01:00:52.360 --> 01:01:00.480
before the Europeans came, there was
probably as many non human primate species aches

686
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:06.440
as in Africa now. And I
think that when the Europeans came, they

687
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.119
bought diseases that they couldn't fight,
and it killed out all of them except

688
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:16.159
some isolated breeding populations. And you
know, it takes three to five hundred

689
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:27.920
years for a species to learn to
adapt to different sicknesses and things and then

690
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:32.400
start thriving. The ones who are
the ones who were adapted to fight that

691
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:37.280
office survive and they breed the next
generation. And I think the reason why

692
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:42.519
people were starting to see them more
now and it's been basically around five hundred

693
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:46.960
years since or why or Europeans have
come over here with those diseases and now

694
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:53.559
the population is starting to adjust out
to it and they're thriving now. Or

695
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:58.400
they might have been living hand to
mouth for three hundred fifty four hundred years,

696
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:01.360
and that would explain why only one
person ever now and then's all one

697
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:08.639
does it went many? But now
that they're thriving and there, their population

698
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:15.920
is growing and they're having more instances
of babies surviving the adulthood the breach.

699
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:20.960
I think that's the reason why people
seeing more of them. But going back

700
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:25.320
to your question, I think that
when you hear people say, well,

701
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:29.639
this was a Type one, or
this was a Type two or Type three,

702
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.840
or they're talking about a different subspecies, just like you don't say,

703
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:39.960
all right, every every ape is
the same ape. But you've got a

704
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:45.480
chimpanzee who is a Type eight,
or you got a bonnabo's the type or

705
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.519
B, or you got a grilla
as a Type C. All right,

706
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:54.519
we got different names for those.
Even though they're related, they're not the

707
01:02:54.559 --> 01:03:00.159
same thing. You know, there's
a there's a difference in an orangutane and

708
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:05.000
a grilla, but they're both related. And I think that's kind of like

709
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.559
what people don't understand. We just
don't know the names of it. I'm

710
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:14.159
pretty sure they there was a time
when people could set around and talk about

711
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:23.960
gugees and bookers and and know the
different kinds and that it probably they understood

712
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:29.559
there was different kinds, and the
knowledge is just lost. So people they

713
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:34.119
all think there's one big foot running
all over the country, scare and everybody

714
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:38.480
right, and they think that it's
immortal that can't go in and out of

715
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:44.400
demensions and all this stuff, and
that's just now, that's not that's not

716
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:47.559
my opinion. I don't I don't
get in all that woo stuff. Everything

717
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:55.320
that I've seen and what I've seen
is based on actual encounters. They're just

718
01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:01.639
they're just a corporal animal that's just
trying to live and do its best life,

719
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:08.159
and everybody leave alone. Fascinating Joe, Wow, But thank you so

720
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:13.239
much for sharing your thoughts on what
you've seen over the years, and we

721
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:17.960
had we've had some good chat about
bigfoot, gug we and everything in between.

722
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:24.000
But I'm sure people are curious how
you know, we know your first

723
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:28.000
name, but how do people reach
out to you Joe's Is there any way

724
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:32.400
that happens if they have an issue
with their property? Well? Oh,

725
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:38.039
usually people find me from word of
mouth. Oh. I've had several people

726
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:43.599
who have heard me on different podcasts
and they've called the host and the host

727
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.760
cable and information. That's fine,
okay, yeah, well they called you.

728
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.719
I can do that, dude.
But yeah, I'm not like,

729
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:56.239
oh, I'm not like just out
there. This is not the only thing

730
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:01.239
I do. It's part of what
I do. But any body that if

731
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:05.119
they hear your podcasts and they say, hey, how did I get to

732
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:10.440
help this guy? I tell them, I tell the host just send them,

733
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.960
send them my phone number and we'll
have a conversation. All right,

734
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:19.159
came on, I'll do it.
But yeah, I mean in the local

735
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:23.880
area, everybody says, my truck
drive around, it's got my phone number.

736
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.000
Where the sign that says that have
you seen me with a sash watch

737
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:31.000
on it? My my local phone
numbers, and so I love it.

738
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:35.719
But yeah, usually it's word of
mile. Uh. I have had people

739
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:43.639
that have contacted a host and and
I've got I've got a fire pit around

740
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:46.079
the backyard, and I said around
and listen to them about every night at

741
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:50.320
my house. Wow, And I
have people come down here and we'll talk

742
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:55.960
about their what they're going through.
And then they start here and stuff and

743
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.920
they're like they're really around here,
aren't they? And I'm like, yeah,

744
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:08.079
they're all over. But yeah,
I'll have people that come and we

745
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.840
said round bonfire and talk about it
whatnot, or that we'll have a phone

746
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:16.320
conversation, video conversations, just different
things like that. Sure, oh may

747
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:20.360
then, well, a lot of
people do find me on Facebook or I

748
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:26.719
thought with a lot of people messengers, gotcha? Well is there you go.

749
01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:30.320
Listeners. If you want to get
in touch with Joe, you gotta

750
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:34.000
just send me a direct message on
Facebook or you can email me Big Society

751
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.679
at gmail dot com and I'll get
you hooked up. But Joe, thank

752
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:42.280
you so much for hanging out tonight, and keep me in the loop if

753
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:46.239
anything else interesting happens in the future, and I'm sure we'll chat at a

754
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:50.760
later time. Okay, yeah,
wait, well I'll keep be informed.

755
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:56.559
You have a good night. Thank
you, sir. You're a Big for

756
01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:01.199
Society. Article is to provide a
platform for the that have encountered Bigfoot to

757
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:06.360
share their encounter in a safe and
respected environment, but we need to hear

758
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:13.079
your story. If you've experienced something
that you just can't explain, please send

759
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:17.960
me an email at Bigfoot Society at
gmail dot com. Then we can start

760
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:24.039
the conversation. And I know a
lot of you have not shared your encounter

761
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:29.039
at all. It's been twenty years
and it's time that you get this off

762
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:32.079
your chest and then you can get
some well deserved for rest because I know

763
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:38.079
you haven't been sleeping. I understand
what you're going through, and I appreciate

764
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:39.239
every one of you listening