Last Stand at the LBL: Martin Grove's Account (Archive Episode)

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Forward slash the Big For Society,
and now let's get on with the

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show. This episode is an interview
with Martin Groves about his Land Between the

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Lakes encounter. This was recorded at
Monsterfest twenty twenty three in Can't Ohio.

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That's why it sounds way different than
other episodes. But man is it a

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fan favorite. So if you haven't
heard this yet, you are going to

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love it and then immediately go get
Martin's books afterwards, let's get into it.

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Also. The other thing is I
edit every episode for three hours,

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so you're going to see the behind
the scenes. Bigfoot Society is going to

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be a good time, but a
lot of it might be edited out.

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We'll see. So all right,
Bigfaciety. We've got a good friend with

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me today. We've got mister Martin
Gross from the LBL region, and we

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are live at monster Fest. How
are we doing? Guys? All right,

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I'm pumped that you're all here.
You could be other places. You

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could be listening to Alex Petakoff,
you could be watching the Texas dog Man

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Triangle. And I give you the
opportunity to leave at any time if you

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would like to, but I appreciate
you here. Okay, let's see you

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quick look around the audience. No
kids, so we are good. So

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oh, just the heads up.
We will be talking about the land between

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the Lakes, LBL, dog man
stuff, bigfoot stuff. I don't think

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it'll get you. Jay's right,
Martin. I'll keep it. We'll keep

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it good, all right, But
just aware. I like to keep my

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stuff good for kids. You know
how it is. But let's start chatting.

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So Martin, Martin Groves is from
the LBL area, and I'm going

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to have him talk about himself for
a little bit. But I point out

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that he's got a table with hell
Ben Haller, and he has written two

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books. First is Beast between the
Rivers and Beast between the Rivers A Trace

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of Death, both great books.
We'll be talking about some stuff from those

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today, but you want to make
sure if you like what you hear,

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you can pick up a book from
him at his table later. So Martin,

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how are you doing? Man?
I am super stoked to be here

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with you today, and it is
it has been a long time coming.

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Oh absolutely, see you absolutely.
Do you mind giving our listeners life a

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little background about what you've done in
the past that might be good for our

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conversation today. Okay, it's really
hard for me to speak of myself because

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I'm a very humble type person.
Any anyone that you meet will tell you

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that I'm just an old country boy
and a humble guy. But I was

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privileged enough to take a job where
I was trained in a career that I

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received some really good training. Over
course of thirty two years, I served

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as a frontline uniform police officer,
and I've been a patrol officer, I've

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been a deputy sheriff, I've been
an investigator and a detective. In my

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past the last five years of my
career, I spent on the street as

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a deputy sheriff. As I began
to get older, I wanted to take

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a step back and get a little
more relaxed in my last few years,

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which didn't work out very well.
But as you can tell throughout this country,

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it's a pretty tense time. I've
been trained. I guess about to

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do anything in the police career,
from investigations to major and minor crimes.

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I've worked homicide, I've worked personal
crimes, bank robberies, you name it.

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But my entire focus of training for
me personally when I become a police

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officer was because I wanted to help
people. That was my goal was to

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help people, not hurt people,
but help and protect and that's something I

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think we're missing today. But that's
basically who I am. I spent my

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entire adult life as a police officer
since I was eighteen years of age.

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That's great, and you can tell
from you know. The great thing about

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this interview is I can talk to
you face to face. Yes, Bigfoot

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Society interviews almost all of them are
across the screens, right, so it's

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very cool to be able to look
into your eyes, and I can tell

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that you are one hundred percent genuine. It's very cool. From our time

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talking earlier, one of the quotes
from your book that I found interesting was,

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I too have seen monsters, and
reading through your books, You've really

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had some interesting things happened to you, and some interesting people talk to you

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about things. But I'm curious.
I always like to find out what was

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the one thing that first set you
down the road to noticing that, Wow,

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there's something weird going on in this
area, what's this dog man thing?

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What's this bigfoot thing? In nineteen
ninety three, if you had spoken

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to me and asked me about bigfoot
or a dog man, or any type

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of cryptid or inhumanoid creature that may
roam the world or America, I would

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have laughed. And I'm being honest, I would have laughed. As a

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child. I recall my father had
taken me to see the Patterson Gimlin film

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and I was of the sound mind
of there was one bigfoot and her name

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was Patty, and she lived in
California, and there wasn't anything anywhere else,

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and that was it. But in
nineteen ninety three I had a experience

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that would totally change my life.
Do you mind sharing about that experience?

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Yes, nineteen ninety three. I
had been a police officer since nineteen eighty

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and I had already been what I
would call past the rookie stage and was

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what I would refer to is what
we call each other as a seasoned veteran

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on the street. And so I
had seen a lot of bad things in

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those periods of time, and we
had made a decision. One of my

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co workers and I we worked midnight
shifts together and an individual that I will

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tell you his name is Harry,
and that is out of respect for him.

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He has now passed away. But
Harry never wanted his story told,

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and he didn't want his family to
be ridiculed in any manner. So I

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have honored that. Unfortunately, most
of the folks that I've worked with and

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have known it didn't take him too
long to figure out who Harry was,

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since he was one of my best
friends. And to tell the story,

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I would like to tell you a
little bit about Harry, not about myself.

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Was not as a strong man as
Harry was. Harry was kind of

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guy when you meet him, and
you could tell by looking at him he

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was one heck of a strong man, and he had no fear, zero

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fear. He had extremely His background
was he was very religious, and so

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he felt like that as long as
God was with him, he had no

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fear. On the street. I've
seen him do some of pretty amazing things.

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There's a purpose of me telling you
this, and you'll discover why.

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But Harry and I we were some
people would call some menace on the street

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at nighttime. You have a right
you call Harry, or you call for

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for Bubba, and we would go
in take care of business and it would

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be put to halt. And Harry
was a certain kind of individual that he

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would be extremely nice, but if
he told you to do something, he

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meant it. So I paired up
with him. We decided to go into

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the land between the lakes and get
some R and R and to spend some

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downtime. We had worked some pretty
horrific crimes that year that I remember well,

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and so we wanted to do a
primitive back what they call backcountry cabin

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camping in the land between the lakes. Now, I don't know how many

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folks that are here have been inside
land between the lakes, but for our

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area this is the Yellowstone for Tennessee
and Kentucky. I mean, of course

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it doesn't can't compare to Yellowstone,
but for us in this region, that

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is yellow Yellowstone. When you go
into lbl it's pitch black darkness. There's

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no artificial lights. You might get
into the campgrounds, and there are a

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few campgrounds in the edge of the
lakes and you will see some electric light.

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But generally speaking, you're in an
area of one hundred and seventy thousand

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acres and if you put seven thousand
more acres with that where the islands are

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that are that surrounds the peninsula.
It's the largest peninsula in the United States,

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surrounded by two rivers and man made
lakes. So there there, I've

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set you up for the story and
where we can go right into it.

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We went in on a Friday evening. Harry and I had prepared ourselves to

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be just as we were like Jeremiah
Johnson or Daniel Bone. We had uh

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that thought of mine and we had
kerosene lamps. We did have a couple

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of small flashlights, they were tiny, and so we used kerosene lamp and

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we went in picked us up a
really cool camp campsite got set up for

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the night. The first night we
went into the area, it was a

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Friday night and really didn't have anything
occur. There is one notation that I

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might make, and I something did
occur that folks have told me later on.

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We're looking at this story as present
future and all of it wrapped up

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together. During the night, I
was awakened and it was pretty early in

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the morning, and I had a
raccoon within our lean to that had reached

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over and was touching my face.
And so it was kind of cool and

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the same talking. It's like,
you know, go on and get you

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something to eat. But I've had
some Native Americans tell me that that was

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a very significant thing that I bring
to your attention. So the raccoon touched

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me on the face and ended up
exiting the area and left. Friday night

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went great. It's awesome night.
Everything was just kosher until the next day.

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The following day was a Saturday,
and we went our separate ways to

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do a turkey hunt and he stayed
with distal to camp within a mile or

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two of the campground of our camp, and I took off on a stretch

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that is known as the Devil's Backbone
in nineteen ninety three. I didn't know

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what the Devil's Backbone was, or
what the history was of LBL and again

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pretty ignorant to the thought of bigfoot
sasquatch Harryman the dog Man especially so when

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I extended my camp, I went
turkey hunting, and that's what I did

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best. I did. Forget to
tell you guys that I've been raised in

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the woods all my life, since
I was about four years old, and

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so being in land between the lakes
was nothing uncommon for me. We had

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been in there since I was a
child. We would deer in, turkey

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hunt, and definitely go crappie fishing
in the lakes. As I go along,

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I'm doing what I do best,
and as looking for a turkey sign

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and looking for animal sign. And
for the most of the day we have

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been back now and I've measured it. But I traveled about eight miles that

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day, and as I went through
the trails and the ridges of the Devil's

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Backbomb, I began to get deeper
into the woods and I noticed that there

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was zero animal sound, sound,
or sign, And that should have been

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my first heads up for me,
But being young and full of vinegar.

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I just took it in stride and
just kept on rocking and going through my

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way. In the late afternoon,
something happened that was very important to this

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story, and that is when I
got tired. It was almost the late

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afternoon, it wasn't quite dark yet. I came out of the woods and

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just to take a break and sit
down next to a log, and I

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heard a vehicle coming. And this
was very odd, but I knew that

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of an old logging road that was
not traveled very much. And I had

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a man of my close to my
age, and I was thirty two at

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the time. And a guy pulled
up next to me and got out,

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and we began to talk and converse, and before I knew it, we

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realized that what we did for a
living. Do I have any firefighters in

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here, any police officers? There
is a rivalry between firefighters and policemen.

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Every cop I've ever known is said
I always wanted to be a firefighter,

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and every firefighter always told me,
hey, I wanted to be a cop.

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So we got to talking back and
forth, and I discovered that the

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gentleman was a firefighter out of the
state of Kentucky and had done this for

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many years, and I explained to
him what I did, and then we

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kind of kid it and cut it
up quite a bit. Because his name

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was Bubba. My name is Bubba. So we went at it back and

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forth, and you know, who's
going to be the real Bubba? And

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this that and the other, and
we talked for a while, and he

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started making fun of my weapon.
I was carrying a shotgun and he said,

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you know, it's not quite fair
to be hunting turkey with a shotgun.

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I kind of looked at the guy. I said, hey, man,

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what do you mean by this?
Little did I know? I was

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talking with a very proficient bow hunter
and that's how he hunted his turkeys was

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an archery and he was very good, and he showed me that. We

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spent thirty to forty five minutes talking
and we shook hands and we parted our

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ways, and he told me where
he worked, and he knew where I

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worked. I told him, And
little did I know when I parted and

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shook hands with this gentleman that I
very possibly and to my belief, after

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investigating it for many years, I
was possibly the last man that saw him

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alive that day, And I wish
now that not only because when we parted,

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he left me with a sentence and
I wish now that I had taken

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it a little more serious, but
I didn't. And he had told me.

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He said, you know, not
trying to scare you or anything,

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but I've had something come into my
camp. And then he explained to me

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where his camp was, and it
was distal to my camp. I was

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only about two miles from him.
Big for Society will be right back after

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these messages very important in this story. We shook hands and he said,

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you might keep your lantern or your
fire going. I've had something that will

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approach my camp. It walks in
and it stays just outside the firelight.

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And he said it kind of scared
him, and so he gave me a

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warning to be careful at my camp. So parted waves and I began to

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go back to hunting, and I
thought I might catch something on the way

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back. And I began to walk
back to my camp many miles. That's

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close to darkness, guys, and
it's getting real dark. But I was

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very confident. I had been trained
as a skilled a combat man, tracking

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and urban and forest settings for tracking
man as well as tracking beasts any kind

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of dog cat, you name it
deer bear. And so I was confident

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in the woods, over confident,
I might say. As I began to

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track back to my camp, things
changed again. There was no insect noise,

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There was no animals anywhere to be
found. The first thing that happened

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to me was I had heard a
rock what I thought was rock, two

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rocks being struck together with great force. And I wrote it off because I

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thought, you know, I'm going
back to camp. It is distal to

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my camp. It may be my
hunting partner. And so I just kept

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on trucking along through the woods and
again, you know, no worries.

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Then something hit that was so significant, and little did I know at the

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time, in nineteen ninety three,
house significant it would be and how it

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would be related to the Missing four
one one series by David Poliitis. I

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heard I heard a noise in the
woods that I've never heard again. I

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heard it twice a day. It
was a metal screeching sound, as if

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a huge metal door had opened and
slammed. It was a noise that did

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not belong in the woods. And
I knew the guy that I had spoken

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to he had left and I had
traveled many miles from this log road now,

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so that kind of bothered me just
for a moment, but it still

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did not register. So I'm trucking
back on game path. I'm high up

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on hills and ridges on the Devil's
Backbone, and as I travel, I

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began to see something in my peripheral
vision. As I'm walking. If I'm

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walking to camp towards that back wall, I saw something to the right hand

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side of me. And for folks
that doesn't has not been into LBL,

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it is some of the densest,
dense foliage that you will ever see in

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the woods. You're lucky to see
fifteen to thirty yards with all the green

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and the trees and the briars and
such. When I'm seeing something to the

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right of me and it is seeming
to parallel with me as I walk.

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I've Cawoedy hunted many times and been
in many states, so I just believe

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that it was probably a pack of
cooties. In the Lamb between the Lakes

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region, you can see as many
as thirty couties in one pack, and

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they have been known to get pretty
close to hunters, but they're really looking

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for something to eat. Maybe if
you discard something and it's you really don't

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get attacked. There have been some
attacks. So I wrote that off too,

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guys, And there's a reason for
me telling you that I was just

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too lax and I should have been
paying closer attention. So as I began

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to walk, these things began to
get closer, and I could tell that

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there was at least three, possibly
four animals that were quad pedal on all

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fours. And as I walked along, the first real indicator that was time

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to be scared or frightened is that
as I walked, they would walk.

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If I stopped or slowed down,
they would as well. That is not

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calty behavior. They might freeze for
a second and watch you. They won't

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stop right back up. This took
place over a period of thirty to forty

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five minutes. So I made the
decision up that I would stop and just

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freeze. I sped up, got
a good pace, and then I froze.

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And when I froze, I'm looking
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These things stop, whatever that they
are, they just freeze with me.

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That's when I got scared. Now, when I walked, I always

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had my firearm unloaded somewhere at that
point. It was a pump shot gun.

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I racked around in the chamber,
had the safety on it, and

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I started proceeding walking. I knew
that I was approximately a mile at the

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most from my camp at this point. That's when I began to hear a

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succession of what I would later find
was like tree knocks, and I had

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knocks towards my camp, and I
heard noises in front of me. As

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I began to get close to the
trailhead that comes out of the forest,

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I heard the metal sound for the
second time. This time this metal sound

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was very close and it captured my
attention forward and as I looked at the

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edge of the woods, I was
in a large stand of oaks, and

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I noticed that I had something coming
out from beside the tree, and then

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would disappear behind the tree again,
peak in, peak out, back and

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forth, and I got to look
in and I'd realized that at my work

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we had used what we called gilly
suits, and that's what I thought I

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was looking at. I thought I
was looking at a tremendous size of a

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man, and I thought it was
possibly another hunter. And then it clicked

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on me that oh, okay,
I got it. Is this a coon

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hunter running his dogs? And these
are just I mean, I'm trying to

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make up excuses and thought in my
head like what this is, and it

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didn't click. You know again,
I just didn't have that mentality. As

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I'm looking forward in front of me, I can see this man and he's

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huge. He dissipates in front of
my eyes. I think he's went behind

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the tree or he's went somewhere and
I just can't see him. I'm still

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a little bit on guard, but
I'm understanding that maybe I've got a hunter

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and I've stepped in someone's territory and
they could be a little bit shook up

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and worried about me being there,
and I've kind of trespassed, per ses.

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What I'm trying to say, I
had to come out of the woods

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at that point and follow a path
that went down a very steep hill and

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incline, and later on in life
I would discover where I was in this

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Devil's Backbone area. So I come
down off the hills and where we were

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located is the highest point in land
between the lakes. So I had a

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pretty good climb going a downgrade as
I start getting closer to my camp.

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I still hear these things on my
trail. This is all taking place.

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I'm still being followed all the way
to my camp. I'm being pursued,

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but it's being it's kept at a
distance. As I get closer to my

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camp, I can smell the fire, and I get closer, I can

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see my friend Harry, but he's
got a really weird look on his face.

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Later I would find out, I
would find out why, and I

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began to explain to him, Hey, I'm sorry, guys, I've been

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out in the woods for a while
and I didn't mean to make you worry,

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and Harry said, man, it's
not you. Some things have happened

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in the camp I discovered from Harry
and what I did not tell because he

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didn't want the story. But I've
come out because his family has told me

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to and I've got permission from them
to speak. And Harry tells me that

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he too had been followed into a
huge corn patch. So now I'm discovering

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that my hunting partner has had almost
the same type of altercation. He's had

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someone in the woods with him,
but key difference, and that he is

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now telling me that while in the
Turkey turkey mode and hunting. He's in

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a corn fill. He's got a
blind set up around him, and he's

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had a corn cob throat past him
with great power. That would have it

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would have taken a tremendous amount of
force, because the force that surrounds this

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hundred acre patch of corn. It's
an old cornfill from the year before that's

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been left for the animals to treat
on, and this corn corn cob was

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thrown from the woods and go sailing
past his head. He's done the same

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thing as I have, except he
believes that we've entered a field in an

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area where there's moonshiners. So,
yeah, dummy, here, I'm thinking

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I got it. I've trespassed where
other people are hunting. My friend believes

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that we possibly got in the area
where somebody is bruin moonshine, which in

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state of Tennessee and Kentucky is very
typical. It happens everywhere. And so

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we converse back and forth, and
we get settled down, and we decided

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that since we've been gone all day, it was time to eat. So

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we talked back and forth between each
other, and I'm telling him what happened

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to me, And he's telling what's
happened to him, and then he throws

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a pretty strange stain in on the
story that while he's in the corn patch

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that he saw two orange orbs that
come in from behind him, which is

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off the peaks of the devil's elbow. He described the orbs as his bees

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of beech walk orange. They floated
across the cornfield and went into the woods.

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This time, I don't have a
clue what to think, and honestly,

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right now, I don't have what
clue to think either, other than

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stories that I have received from other
hunters and people who have researched these kinds

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of things. So we settle in
and it's time to have some supper.

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We've got the campfire going and we're
going to eat. What takes place is

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very hard to speak of, and
I will speak of it as clearly as

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I possible can and try to keep
any emotion out of it. We're standing

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in front of our fire and there
is a fifty to seventy foot cliff above

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us. It's made of limestone,
and things are beginning to come off this

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limestone, off this wall. First
thing that happens we have a small pebbles

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or little bee branches, and you
know, thanks fall all the time in

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the woods. We're not paying attention. Then we have about a six to

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eight foot piece of wood that's been
broken off and it comes off, it

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doesn't strike, it doesn't fall and
hit anything comes sailing off the top of

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the cliff and hits a few feet
from us. And it's a good sized

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piece of wood. It's nothing small. Starting to get into the freak out

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stage, and we're us and we
believe it's the possibility that we're being surrounded

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by hell people or moonshiners and it's
time for us. They're wanting us to

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go now. I told you guys
start of the story, Harry's the kind

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of guy. He ain't scared much
and he's not leaving his camp. And

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I've made the decision. This is
our camp. We picked it out.

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We're miles from anybody else. There's
miles that anyone else can go camping and

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hunting. This is our spot.
And I guess we had the ideal of

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this is our fort and we're not
going anywhere, and this is where we'll

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make her stand pick for society will
be right back after these messages. And

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as we're standing there, you've got
the noise above us. I see something

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to the again, I'm looking at
the wall back here, now that's the

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limestone. I see something to the
right hand side of me, and I

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see some golwing eyes back that up. I see something glowing. I want

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to ask real quick, you said
you were prepared to make your stand.

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Internally, were you thinking this is
it, whatever is going to happen,

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I better be prepared, Yes,
very much. So we have made the

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decision that whatever took place, we'll
make our stand right here. We were

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not going to run. We were
going to relinquish the camps to somebody,

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gotcha. And uh, it's a
very good point, very good point.

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And so if you've ever been out
in the woods or anywhere else and you

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see a cigarette glow, someone's drawing
on a cigarette and he gets real bright

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cigarette cigar or something, that's what
I was saying. So now I'm further

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convinced that we've got some old yahoos
and these hill billity is not gonna run

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us out, because we was hillbillies
too, and so be honest with you,

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that's our that's our thought. You
know, Hey, we go nowhere

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man, and uh I'll be I'll
be honest with you. We was armed

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pretty heavy. We were armed.
And uh so this thing that's stands beside

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the tree, I really believe it's
a man back there smoking cigarette cigar.

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Harry sees it too, and uh
he said, I'm gonna get this guy

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man. And uh so we stood
by there and he started to back away

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from the fire a little bit.
I knew what my partner's gonna do because

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I'd seen him do it one hundred
times. You go snatch somebody up,

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and I'm standing there. All of
a sudden, to distract us, a

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twenty five to thirty five pound rock
comes flying above us. We hear it

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sailing. It didn't fall, And
the reason why I give you these descriptions

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so you'll understand, it doesn't go
clump clunk clunk down the wall. It

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comes flying and we can hear it. It lands right between us, closer

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to my partner than to me.
And then when it hits its thuds,

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by this time, I've had enough
and I lose my composure and I go

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into my policeman mode and I begin
screaming, who's out there? Maybe some

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colorful metaphors or something. But something
came out and I said, hey,

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you know, we're police officers,
were armed. You don't come into people's

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camp at this time of night.
Come out from behind the tree. Harry

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begins to walk away from me,
and that's when the encounter comes into play,

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and it gets real deep and he
gets heavy. Folks, what you're

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about to hear is so far fetched
that it's hard for anybody to believe except

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from where I've heard other witnesses.
Twenty years later, I hear people say

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this. I begin to hear a
very guttural growl that I cannot describe.

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The farm boy. I've been on
farm where if you kill a pig,

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they have some pretty intense sounds.
I look back now and I think about

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it that it was almost like a
demon, and I could hear it,

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and it began to get extremely intense. Harry has frozen. He's a few

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feet from me, but he is
frozen. He turns around, it looks

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to me, and he gets a
little closer and takes two or three steps,

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and we go into a combat stance
like we've been trained at work.

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We're almost shoulder to shoulder at this
point. Then it changed the ground gets

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lower, and as it gets lower, we can still hear it, but

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now we feel it. It begins
to vibrate, and it vibrates and permontrates

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my chest. The same thing is
happening to me. I can see it's

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affecting area as well. And it
begins to perenontrate in my chest and I

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begin to get tunnel vision. It's
almost like an energy level that there's no

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way to explain. My breathing became
erratic. I begin to feel like I

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was going to pass out. My
ears were affected, my ears were burning.

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All these different symptoms are coming in
on me as well as my partner.

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It got to the point that it
was so intense that I felt like

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I was going to expel and to
throw up. This goes on, and

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as long as it takes me to
tell you this, this feeling, it's

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milliseconds. This This happens just like
this, and we freeze and there's no

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moving from from from this position.
And uh, I'm very shaky, unsteady

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on my feet. Those are all
the symptoms of what I'm feeling. Then,

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to the what I would call to
the west of my count we hear

408
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:30.000
noise. Now we're frozen. We
cannot move. We got something above us,

409
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.480
We got something over here by the
trees on the other side of the

410
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:39.079
camp. Now we have something coming
in on the very same game trail that

411
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.199
I actually was had come in from. Looking back, now, I know

412
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.159
whatever followed me through the woods had
just stopped at the camp and was waiting.

413
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:58.480
This beast, this creature that is
not supposed to exist, comes walking

414
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.800
in on us from this trail.
Folks, I'm looking at something that stands

415
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:09.800
six to seven foot tall. It
is upright. It appears to be wolf

416
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.880
like. It has the pointed ears. And please stop by my booth and

417
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.280
shake hands and say hello. But
look at that picture. There is a

418
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:28.360
drawing on my table where not only
myself but another lady from LBL. This

419
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:34.199
is the drawing that we've all seen. This thing had pointed ears. It

420
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:39.119
has a snout, and it was
almost as if it was it was almost

421
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.920
as if it was grinning at me, and it was like it was it

422
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:50.400
could ish. My feelings was it
was feeding off my fear. And it

423
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:55.079
would come close and kind of back
away, and we get closer. I've

424
00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:01.239
got the growling going on. This
thing is making noise and the fear level.

425
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.480
It is almost as if it fed
off of me. And as it

426
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.400
began to get closer, the only
thing that I knew to do, and

427
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.840
this part's hard, but the only
thing I knew to do was to pray.

428
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:24.360
And I began to pray David's prayer
PSAL. I'm twenty third and I

429
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:30.800
began to pray hard, and I
knew at that point that I was going

430
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.119
to I felt like, this is
it, God, I'm going to die.

431
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.920
I really had that mentality, this
is it. Whatever this thing was,

432
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:44.079
I'm looking at it. And as
I began to pray, and I

433
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:51.800
got to different parts in the prayer, I shall, I shall fear no

434
00:38:51.880 --> 00:39:00.239
evil that art with me, and
I began to get strength, and as

435
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:08.199
I got stronger, I felt that
I could move. As I moved,

436
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:13.880
my training kicked in and my right
arm moved, and I remember it so

437
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:20.519
distinctly. I'm praying my mind,
but now I'm starting to pray aloud.

438
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.559
I withdrew my service weapon that I
had underneath my vest, and I came

439
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.360
out with my service weapon. Now, folks, I tell this in a

440
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:39.400
matter that I don't really come out
with everything and I can, but I

441
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:47.440
fired two rounds in the direction of
whatever this thing was. Please keep in

442
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.960
mind that that is something that was
very hard for me to do. Every

443
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:54.719
round that comes out the end of
your gun, you've got to know where

444
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:59.159
that round goes. I didn't know
if I was looking at a man in

445
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.440
a suit. I didn't know if
I was looking at an animal. I

446
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.840
didn't know what I was looking at. But one thing that made my mind

447
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:15.800
up when I fired was that when
I pulled my firearm up before I discharged,

448
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:22.119
it was looking at me, and
it backed off, and it backed

449
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:27.880
away from me in the opposite direction
of me. But when I lowered my

450
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.119
gun, it came forward. So
when I lowered my gun and it came

451
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:42.280
forward, I fired systematically or sympathetic
fire. My partner behind me had a

452
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.559
ten gage double barrel shotgun. He
fires in the direction of whatever was in

453
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:52.880
the woods beside of us, next
to this tree, and I hear screaming,

454
00:40:53.880 --> 00:41:02.039
a scream that was so hideous that
I compared to you when you take

455
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:07.519
out a pig that you're going to
butcher. And then this thing begins to

456
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.960
have a fit over here beside me. Now where I have fired, this

457
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:17.239
thing dissipates in front of my eyes. It's gone. But in that period,

458
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:23.400
just a middlesecond, whatever took place
when I fired, something goes up

459
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:29.079
that wall. I can't see it, but it's gone. And we're hearing

460
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:35.119
noises above our camp. This thing
over here where where Harry is fired his

461
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:39.480
weapon twice two barrels. It's screaming
and it's having a fit and there's a

462
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:45.079
cane patch beside there and it's just
tearing everything down. But it doesn't come

463
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:51.159
in. Neither does this up above
me. Nothing comes in. We make

464
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:57.519
the decision it's time to get out
of dodge, and so we exit the

465
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.360
camp. We jump into the truck
and he can't get it rolling. I

466
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:05.280
mean, it's something like out of
a horror flick that the truck won't roll.

467
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:10.559
And he had accidentally put the emergency
brake on when he parked and he

468
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.760
just forgot about it. So he
pops the emergency break. But this story

469
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.960
is only just beginning. You know. You would think that the story is

470
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.760
going to end right here, and
we would be in safety and everything would

471
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:29.400
be cool. Headlights pop on,
and this is a question you've asked.

472
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.639
What I see up here in my
camp is six foot less than seven foot

473
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:40.400
dog like and is very stereotypical of
the dog man of the obo. When

474
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:45.519
the headlights come on, I've got
two creatures in front of me that is

475
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.400
totally the opposite of what I had
seen in my camp. I have two

476
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:58.960
hairy men. I have two eight
foot or greater bigfoot really, and these

477
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.719
things are heating. This is not
Harry and Anderson. This is not your

478
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.920
TV show where you see one grant
at you and it's just like hello,

479
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:13.239
Bigfoot. These things were hideous.
The larger one, that I perceived to

480
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:19.519
be an adult male, stood its
ground and was piercing, just staring right

481
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.599
at me. The second one had
fell down into a spider crawl where I

482
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:29.039
don't know if it was on its
hands or if it's elbows, but it

483
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:34.719
was down low and crouched as if
it was ready to jump up and strike.

484
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.280
So partner gets the old dodge fired
up and we get to rolling.

485
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.360
And as we roll out of this
campsite, keep in mind we're miles and

486
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:52.280
miles away from anything or anybody we
have to cross, and hel Ben Holler

487
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:58.960
has actually been out to the location
to investigate the site. We were down

488
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:05.960
a ravine and across rushing creek in
LBIL, and so we have to go

489
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.320
down deep into the creek and then
jump back out of the creek. Even

490
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:13.599
for a full drive, it was
hard. He hit that creek and I

491
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:19.719
heard something from the truck. So
we're coming out of the creek. These

492
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:24.360
things in the cane patch. There's
three, possibly four of them rolling through.

493
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:29.519
But something tries to get into the
back bed with me and he hits

494
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.960
it, and he's screaming at me
from the cab. I'm actually I'm sorry

495
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.800
I didn't tell you, but I
was in the bed of the truck.

496
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:37.480
I just jumped up into the bed
of the truck and I'm hanging on for

497
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.679
dear life. Wow. And so
he hits one of them, and I

498
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.199
later find out when he's screaming at
me, he says, I got one.

499
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.400
I got one. We speed up
out of here and we get out

500
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:57.480
of Dodge. Our first instinct for
mine was was the opposite of my hunting

501
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.599
partner. He wants to exit LBN
and not tell a soul. We're police

502
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.440
officers. There's no way that we're
going to tell anybody anything because these things

503
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:13.719
don't exist, they're not supposed to
be alive. They just don't exist was

504
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:19.039
mentality in mind. And so about
a mile or two up the road,

505
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.239
I'm beating on the cab of the
truck. Let me in, stop,

506
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:25.599
let me in. And he was
well known for being a pretty fast driver

507
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.840
at work. I finally get him
to stop and he lets me to get

508
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.840
into the car in truck with him, and we head towards the exit of

509
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:42.559
the southern exit of LBL. He
wants to leave, and I'm to the

510
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.960
point we're almost verbally fighting with each
other. We've got to go to the

511
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.920
check station. We've got to go
find some authorities. I've discharged my firearm.

512
00:45:52.480 --> 00:46:00.360
I have an obligation to report this. And Harry is to the point

513
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.960
we're not telling nobody anything. I'm
going home. You do what you want

514
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.960
to and he's flying, and finally
I had to I really had to be

515
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:15.280
forcefully with him and tell him stop
at the check station, after coaxing him

516
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.639
into it. It's you know,
it's late, it's almost midnight. He

517
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:27.199
pulls into the LBL South check station. It's closed, there's nobody there.

518
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:34.159
Nineteen ninety three, they were driving
two door, cheap jeep Cherokees. Big

519
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:52.440
for society. Who will be right
back after these messages, and so there's

520
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.639
two or three of them in the
parking lot, but the lights are out.

521
00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:01.960
I convinced him that we're going to
the north station, which is forty

522
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:06.960
three miles away from the opposite ind
it's about forty three miles one way.

523
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:14.559
He doesn't want to do that,
and so we compromise and we stay on

524
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:21.800
the TVA guidelines, which is totally
mowed down and there's nothing growing, so

525
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:27.360
we can see for great distance.
So if anything comes close to us and

526
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.760
he gets inside the truck rolls,
window is up, locks of doors.

527
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:36.760
I agree to stay on top of
the cabin of the Dodge truck and I

528
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:42.320
set up and I watched the fields
around us, and folks, we have

529
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:46.159
a child in here, so won't
say it, but we were pretty dirty

530
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:54.360
and nasty by this point. If
you've studied anything like this, most folks

531
00:47:54.400 --> 00:48:00.440
that are hit with a level of
energy or what some folks refer to as

532
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:07.519
possibly infrasound or a type of infrasound, you will you lose your body functions.

533
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:14.079
And I had at some point thrown
up on myself and we had gotten

534
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:19.199
soiled, both of us. So
we stayed next morning we get up,

535
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.920
we get cleaned up, we change
our clothing, and we're going to the

536
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:29.960
south check station. As we begin
to prepare, we can see maybe a

537
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:37.840
mile down the road, we see
three or four marked units coming. They

538
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.360
were park rangers, but by the
time we got out to the road,

539
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.559
they had done whiz by us,
and they're going in the direction of where

540
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:52.320
we were camping, which is Rushing
Creek Road. And if we have time,

541
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.079
I need to tell it a little
about something that's taken place there.

542
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:01.119
So they go in, go ahead, what's our time level. We're getting

543
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.960
there. I can already tell that
I'm going to have I'm going to ask

544
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.480
you probably to come back on for
a future no problem, no problem,

545
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:13.679
you want me ended up now a
little bit. This story is incredible.

546
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:16.360
Everyone needs to get the bucket.
And I wish we'd talked for five hours,

547
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:22.639
dang it, uh to end the
story up Where those patrol vehicles were

548
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:28.159
going to. They were going to
account of my buddy that I met,

549
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:34.320
that we called Bubba the Kentucky fireman, and two turkey hunters had actually walked

550
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.480
in and we're going past his camp
going to hunt that morning, and they

551
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:44.280
discovered his body and he had been
pulled out of his tent during the night.

552
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.519
Whatever attacked him had broken his boat
in half. If you got any

553
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:54.360
boat hunters, that's almost a feat
that is unreal. It broke the boat,

554
00:49:55.360 --> 00:50:01.000
but it eats the man and he
was predated on. And so that's

555
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:07.079
where they were headed to. Long
story short, we do go to the

556
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:14.880
South check station where we are accosted
and we are treated lesser than a citizen.

557
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:22.440
We're told that we're going to be
arrested for poaching bears and said that

558
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:27.679
they had had reports of a bear
that had mange and that it hadn't been

559
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:31.559
bothering the campers for the last couple
of weeks, and that we were just

560
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:38.000
scared city folks and we didn't know
the difference between a bear and what we

561
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:43.199
had described to him. They held
us for quite a period of time and

562
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:47.559
contacted our sheriff's department, took our
firearms away from us, and we were

563
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:52.360
held there for a couple hours until
we were finally told leave, don't ever

564
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.920
come back up here, and if
you talk about that, and we'll talk

565
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.960
about it at a different time,
but we were told to keep our mouth

566
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.719
shut. Then this what brought me
out of the woods. Why did I

567
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:12.000
come out of the closet in twenty
twenty You will not find anything on any

568
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:17.880
paper or on the newsreel. But
twenty twenty a husband and wife entered the

569
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:23.280
Devil's Backbone and when they went in, they parked the car at the edge

570
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:29.800
of the South check station and they've
never been found. When I discovered this,

571
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:37.199
I couldn't couldn't live with any lorror, and that has set me from

572
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:43.880
from nineteen ninety three. I have
secretly investigated the OBL until this point right

573
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:45.760
now, and the things that we
have found and the things that we have

574
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:51.679
discovered, there's between twenty five depending
on who you speak to, there are

575
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:59.360
between twenty five and twenty eight people
that is attributed to unknown animal attacks in

576
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.000
the OBIL. So there you have
my story, and I hope I was

577
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:07.039
able to convey it to you in
a manner that you can understand. It's

578
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.400
not an easy story for me to
speak of, as you can tell,

579
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:16.440
and it's something that haunts me to
this day. My wife is here if

580
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:20.119
you'd ever want to stop by and
speak to my wife. My wife will

581
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.239
tell you of how that it is
affected. A seasoned police officer that wasn't

582
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:30.039
afraid of anything that I have nightmares
constantly. I'm still battling them. I'm

583
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:35.320
still fighting on Martin. Your story
is incredible and I'm so glad that you

584
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:39.639
were able to come forward and share
that in different ways. And we talked

585
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:44.760
earlier and you said, we just
have a few minutes left, but you

586
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:49.599
said, we need to make sure
that we talk about the correlation or the

587
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:53.840
connection between Bigfoot and dog man in
the LBL. I don't know if we

588
00:52:53.880 --> 00:53:00.599
can fit that in Okay, it
was nineteen ninety three. I have investigated

589
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:07.840
heavily. There's been a longstanding rule
between researchers and people that speak of the

590
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:15.239
LBL, that consider themselves to be
an authority or per se expert researchers,

591
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:21.199
and they say that Bigfoot resides on
one end of the LBL and the dog

592
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:28.039
men only are seen on the opposite
side. But in reality, the correlation

593
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:32.360
between the two not only are then
the same areas, but we have discovered

594
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:42.159
where some of the Bigfoot are always
accompanied by a pack of these creatures or

595
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:47.159
beings whatever that they may be.
And it's extremely fascinating. Within the last

596
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:52.119
year of the tracks that we have
found and of all the witnesses who have

597
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:55.000
come forward, and let me assure
you, guys, of one thing.

598
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:02.960
Every park ranger that place, they'll
tell you nothing resides there. However,

599
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.639
every single one of them get the
reports and they know what is in these

600
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:19.559
parts. And interesting enough, cryptid
studies institute a very super folk family that

601
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:24.360
have been investigatory' very religious, the
most impeccable witnesses you would ever meet.

602
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:32.920
They would never tell any fabrication.
Their brother and sister and their father started

603
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:39.599
this investigation team. They were in
May the seventeenth, and I was there,

604
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:44.199
but I was not with them.
A group of researchers were in.

605
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:49.440
If some of you have ever heard
of Martin Nunley or like hell Ben Holler,

606
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:53.239
people like that, they were not
there at this time. The Henderson's

607
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:59.599
observed on May seventeenth between ten and
midnight, and they had a chief of

608
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:05.320
police with them that has retired out
of the state of Western Kentucky area that

609
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.760
I will respect his name because he
doesn't want his name mentioned. They saw

610
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:13.719
the dog man it crossed in front
of their truck. And now we live

611
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:15.719
in the age where I see most
of you have your cell phones put up.

612
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:21.480
Everybody's got a cell phone it's in
their hands, or people scrolling through

613
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.360
looking up what they're going to eat
whatever. These three researchers were such in

614
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:31.400
awe and so struck by what they
saw that they couldn't even get to their

615
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:37.440
cell phones. This encounter lasted less
than twenty seconds. The dog man run

616
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:42.920
across from them. I urge you
to go to Cryptid Studies Institute and listen

617
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.599
to the description of what they put
out and what this thing look like,

618
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:52.599
because I didn't really give you an
accurate, really detailed description of this thing.

619
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:58.639
But there's your correlation. These things
run together. Now, A young

620
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:00.880
lady would make this quick. Lady
just tipped me up. She had seen

621
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:07.800
us in the movie American American wherewo
was yep and and Seth did an incredible

622
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:12.679
job with that and allowed us to
get some information out. The lady came

623
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.719
up to me, and she traveled
all the way from Virginia to actually see

624
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:20.599
me, and asked me one question, And the question was what was the

625
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:25.320
correlation. What was the role of
Bigfoot with the dog men that night?

626
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.559
And she wanted to know was it
there to protect us or was it there

627
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:38.920
to direct the dog men who acted
like a pursuing like a hunter and their

628
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:45.039
bird dogs. I have no answer, but I can give you my opinion,

629
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:50.480
and I believe that these two Bigfoot, and the lady said it best

630
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:55.480
last night on the panel. They
have different personalities, yep, these two

631
00:56:55.559 --> 00:57:00.280
were not to kind and nice big
for you might say, it's the only

632
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:04.199
way I know put it. And
I do believe that they directed them and

633
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:08.400
that was their hunting dogs. And
last thing, very quickly to Mumber's Bay.

634
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:15.760
Eleven people have been massacred in De
Mumber's Bay. Yes, this October

635
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:23.800
October of last year, we found
where two Bigfoot were with a pack of

636
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:30.440
at least three. They killed a
deer in the middle of the campground,

637
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:39.679
broke its neck, pulled the head
spine off, took the rest of it

638
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:45.199
with them. But the tracks indicated
to us and showed us Bigfoot was there,

639
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:51.840
dog man was there present, and
it was as if the dogmen chased

640
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:57.840
the deer directly towards the Bigfoot.
So is it possible that's what was taking

641
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.199
place that night? We were spoke
to get eat up. So anyway,

642
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.519
it's very interesting to be here with
you guys. I hope I was able

643
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:12.199
to give you some thought. The
De Mumbers Bay story you talk about in

644
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.760
your books, I mean that alone
could be another hour I feel. I

645
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:21.960
mean, definitely check out Martin's books. It's incredible. There's pictures of the

646
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.400
tracks that you found. But thank
you so much for coming on the show

647
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:30.760
today live at Mobsterfest. A few
things. Of course, again, I'm

648
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:35.239
going to say it one more time. Please check out Martin's books. They're

649
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.960
some of my favorite that I've read
in the last few years, and they're

650
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:42.920
super easy to read. If you
like Bigfoot Society, if you like hearing

651
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:47.599
people talk about their encounters, I
have business cards and free stickers over there.

652
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:52.000
I'll hook you up. Make sure
you come up afterwards. I'll be

653
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:57.679
over by the STM booth. But
thank you so much for taking your time

654
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.800
to choose to listen to this today, and for people that listen to Big

655
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:06.519
for Society, I appreciate you more
than you know. The goal is to

656
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:08.679
do this full time. One day
I am twenty percent of the way there.

657
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:13.400
I will be full time and hopefully
get to go to places and interview

658
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:17.159
people face to face like this,
So I appreciate it more than you know.

659
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:22.239
And for those that are longtime listeners
if you're into the van meter visitor.

660
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Okay, some people will get that
there are shirts that should be only

661
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:34.000
at the festival actually here at Monsterfest
at map in Blackspooths, so make sure

662
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:36.679
you don't miss out on those.
But thank you so much for coming.

663
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:45.000
Thanks everybody, God bless you all
pleasure than special thanks to Seth Breedlove and

664
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:50.800
Small Town Monsters for inviting me to
Monsterfest as a guest this year. Without

665
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669
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I love the show. I used
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another popular Bigfoot Encounter podcast, but
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671
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672
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680
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682
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683
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and Oakridge organ as an atender.
I won't be presenting or anything, but

684
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I'll be hanging out trying to interview
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685
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you're from the Oakridge, Oregon area
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686
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695
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:57.480
and again, thanks for listening.
Her and I can get out here,

696
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.280
we can tell our stories. Maybe
there's somebody else out there listening it's

697
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:05.159
too afraid to tell their story.
Maybe this will give them the courage to

698
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.559
come out. And I feel so
bad about it. Who cares what anybody's

699
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:13.400
thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's

700
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:32.599
all I care about. Please let
people know, Please let them know.

701
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.400
If you ever see one of these
things, you need to tell because if

702
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:49.559
you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you,