Left Alone to Survive Against Bigfoot: A Tennessee Encounter

0:00 All right, big for society. You've got the privilege of talking to Marcia Clark. She is a investigator researcher with the BFRO, and I'm super excited to talk to Marcia tonight. How's it going today, Marcia? Oh, really good, really good. Nice to be here with you. Fantastic. So let's go right off the bat, because you know, I've heard a little bit about what you've been into in the past, but it sounds really fascinating. But tell me right off the bat, like, what is it that got you into bigfoot in the first place. I had a very close encounter class a sighting early in my life in nineteen eighty four, and it always hung with me. And as I went through my career in the Marine Corps and then later as a field geologist, being out with field for weeks and weeks at a time around the United States, around the globe, always had these unusual things a hurry. And now at the point in my life where I can really focus upon the questions I have, I'm just starting to dedicate those scientific principles I learned as a meaniologist and as a geologist, and so I have to answer this question to myself and I have to food it to myself, and that's what's driving me very very interesting. What was the

1:38 incident that got you connected to the BFRL. Well, initially, I was in the field being some contract work with the USBs in nineteen ninety nine and I happened to be walking down a path and bumped into mister Matt Moneymakers. I was doing my work, he was doing his, and we just both pass each other afrail. Later on, I had then in Montana doing some work and has some very unutral occurrences in terms of big but her and I just started asking more and more questions and I was someone told me, hey, you know, you should check out this h this website that's put out by b f RO and so at the time, they had the blue discussion boards, and I jumped on the internet and started checking them out and talking to a few people and communicating and I started to see that, you know, there's some credibility here, and so I just went I just kept that back in my mind, and then later when I retired, I'm saying, you know what, I'm going to follow through on this, and I signed up for one expedition I've been on too teen expeditions for them formal expeditions,

3:14 another ten or twelve informal private expeditions, but other VFRO team members, and so I am trus being out of my own I like the methodology to BEFRROW. I like the duality of collecting information, the process of collecting the data, but also there's another component of public relations and public education. And so I think those two mission statements out there, I think this what takes me to the BFRO and not others, not looking to see anyone get hurt, not looking at hurting one of these these rare animals. Just simply what you get the public each correct data. And I like that model very very interesting.

4:13 The thing about this this podcast that I do, I talked to so many different types of people, and another question that gets asked usually is but it helps you no exactly you know what might be going on with a person is in a way when you think about how to describe what this creature is, how are you categorizing what Bigfoot is from what I've observed physically in person, what I've experienced in observing their behavior on many occasions. This is a a member of the Homo sapien family. This is a fellow priming to us.

5:08 I hear this mistake commonly on podcasts. Human beings are primates. Also, Uh, it's not there's primates of the humans. We're primates. Also right now we're the highest order of primate that exists. However, we're all primates. Anyhow, I see this as a Homo sapien. There's legitimate DNA testing out there that that clearly demonstrates these are a member of our our genus, in our species group. It's just its own special branch. And and that's how I see them. That that is very interesting. Let's say that let's say hypothetically tomorrow Bigfoot gets discovered and they are they're here there with us.

6:06 Do you think then we might be looking at a situation where there the there the top of the the tree, or maybe it's they're kind of on a level playing field with this with us. Is that a Is that something you've ever thought of before? Well, when you can, uh, this has going by doctor Jane Goodall's methodology and terminate in terminology because of our use of tools, bring capacity, et cetera, and because we're the ones creating the rules, we see ourselves as the top of the pyramid, right we define returns. So and UH if the Department Materior tomorrow was the news UH press coof as we are going to formally recognize UH. These previously unrecognized prominade primates are living within our fullest in North America. I still see them as a member of the Homo sapien group. They're not quite Homo sapien a homo sapien, which is what we've been the names are. However, they're a member of that group, and not as the depth of tools, not as a depth would language now as the depth as we are pubosafet in Homo sapiens.

7:40 However, they're a member of the group. It's a thing where it'll be so interesting to see what happens one day, hopefully within our lifetime. I hope we get to have conversations. I remember, Yeah, I remember as a kid living and growing up of my life in North Florida, going up for the school bus out on a limestone covered old dirt road and every trash day watching three different panthers knockdown trash cans, and then the apartment fishing game in the state of Florida, telling us that panthers don't exist. We've seen him every week at trashdall. We could go up from the local dove and if you wait around at sunset you'd hear him. But then again, you were told they didn't exist. And it's kind of funny. It wasn't until one was videotaped going through an alligator a corrugated steel alligator road crossing to one's videotaped with a camera going through one of those tubes that wall source of videotape was considered enough evidence to say, oh, yeah, we're gonna declare that they're they're real, they're here. Half the people in Florida knew they

9:13 were there. And so my first question is how you know how come the same rule doesn't apply. But I'll let that go. So when you're when you're formally recognized, I think is a better way to look at it, and then we can go that next step. Uh gotcha. It is so interesting how in so many different states, the the wildlife departments just don't accept or they don't say that big cats exist in their area. I don't know what that is. That's that's probably a different conversation, but yeah, yeah it is. But that's an example. For example, I believe it's the state of I don't know or Washington that has a legislation that was passed about a decade ago that says that it is illegal behind shoot at, or molest any previously arned, recognized, or registered fridate. Some of the states are quilently coming around adding the legislation in rules to protect these guys without actually shopping up and waving the flag. If they won't do that, okay, which

10:48 you know, if that's the stuff we have to take, then that's the stuff we have to take. I think we have a lot in that maggants go further in depth with this, but I think there's a lot we can garner and word and in terms of who we are as almost Stapiums, and I think there's a lot we can gather from this cousin of ours. MM. Absolutely, so, Marsha, let's get let's get right into it. So we'll kind of we'll start here first. So I know that when you go on from what I've heard, I haven't been on a BFR expedition yet, but I know that sometimes there are certain things you have to sign and you might not be able to say certain things, but are you able to share any specifics about what states you may have gone to on these expeditions.

11:43 Are I mean, I've already asked that the more senior coordinators that question of what I can say and not say. I can speak generally of the state, what state specifically when we're talking about it incident. We can speak about the general practice of rules that the flow follows and procedures that there. It's a it's a pretty common format that we follow and it's gone for safety. But yeah, I can speak of a state. Uh my area specialty is both sides of the Appalachian from the Pennsylvania border south so Ohio, West Virginia, Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, north of South Carolina, and Georgia.

12:35 That's where I've been circulating now for some time. There's multiple plans and uh so I think most of them are related, and so that's what even though I mean, Sky's will limit really but I sort of focused right very in no states. Some of these expeditions you hear about, they really have some extremely interesting things happen on them. Are there any that stick out in your mind from over the years that you're like, oh, Wow, I can't believe I was on that expedition where that happened. Yeah, well, first off, I should put it out there again. It's a doing mission of public information, public awareness in gathering data and information and doing it in a safe environment. Other groups they may leave you out in the forest and do reckless things and not so much of control. Format and Golfred did if anyone gets hurt. The worst I've ever seen is I think someone got stung sung by b and then so many got some ant bytes on their clothing. Was that's about the size of it. Uh, A very memorable expedition. This occurred in Ohio. I During that expedition, I had a squatch must in

14:09 a foot away from my ear while I was laying in my cot in my tent on the other side of the cloth of my tent, breathing in and out quite heavily and do a low growl. And that same expedition I was actually touched big for a society will be right back. After these messages, I was pushed by a squatch and then I happened to observe and record with a fear a hunting party. I probably a family play on the squatch female to Jules and two males and happened to observe a hunting party with them at the same time that this is the same expedition, and then have them run through camp seeing food off the table, and you asked me later in a cot, unlive it? All the still sleep on the ground. So I had a metal cot and I can actually feel the weight of the footsteps hitting the ground and I could feel it transmit to my cot and go, wow, what's that? So yeah, that's that all happened in one expedition.

15:43 However, I should preface I should also put ASTs sects to that. I've been a couple of expeditions where the most encounters have had was having a few acres thrown at me and that was it. So I can't say that that happens on every expedition. Other expeditions the weather catches you and it rains non stop for four days and it's forty five degrees. So that's just a nature debase. But yeah, laying in my tent where I'm sort of at an ink fry, my head's higher than my feet. My cot, my tents only so wide, my tests h feet wide. I'm six foot seven, about three hundred pounds, and so I slide down my cot throughout the night, I have to wake up, push my stuff up, and then all of a sudden, I'm hearing this this rough, heavy breathing. Let's sat the foot away from my ear. All sudden heavy white noise. My ears start ringing, and then a hand my feet would push out the side of the tent, and a hand pushing both my feet and slides by makes my entire body slide up my cock. Yeah, that was that sort of shapes you a little bit. You roll out of the count, gets in the

17:14 middle of the tent, and you sort of sit there going okay, uh, what's going on? In the morning, you go out first light, You've got steps sixteen seventeen inches while around your tent smati grass or food stolen off tables next to you. Yeah, that that's pretty eventful. That's that is really intense. Marsha. There's a section you talked about that I want to ask you about. So you said white noise and ringing in your ears. Do you think that was related to the sasquatch? Yeah? Yeah, I think what was is and I have research data on this weed. To speak up further, with instrumentation readings. I think it was some form of infrasound or whatnot. Other people in our group who had long duration recorders going on actually recorded me moaning and nelly and pain because of this noise happening.

18:23 It was just so loud, and so I think it was perhaps their real form of communication or infrasound, maybe being zach or an extent to that, But as extremely the loudest white noise I've heard artillery. I've been in a helicopter in the Marine Corps. I know what loud noise is, and this is painful. This was painful. It only lasted for a few short verses from what I remember. However, the duration of umaning and painting lasted almost four minutes on the long duration recorders that we can camp, so it was enough. It took me out of my deepest leap and I could actually hear this animal breathing heavily and grunting right next to my ears. Did anyone else in the campsite also Were they also affected the same way or in other ways during that time? No. The person prossibly forty feet on the other side of the path from me, whose camp was their test was set up.

19:45 They had a table out, had some food on the table, not as a gift situation, but just left forgot it there. They heard the squats running up and heard the table shake and the food being taken. The other members of our great did belong duration recorders. They heard me yelling and moaning in my sleep and pain. There were others just down to my left that had handprints on their cars as well as I did, and then in the morning finding the footprints around its heads as well, and then a partial handprint outside of the table. And this was in Ohio. You said, yeah, this was Ohio. That's the best description I think. Yeah, no, I totally get it. We can't get any more specific than that, but like I can think of a few few areas that that that. Yeah, Ohio can be crazy in a lot of people realize that, but it can be wild. Let's see, I've been in one, two, three, four. I've been in four different research areas in Ohio over the last four years three years, and without a doubt, each each areas unique.

21:12 However, there is there is definite activity, there is they're there and you can see it. I've had two If you were using the BFO classification of a B C. I consider spotting the sclash through fear infra red monocular or binoculars. I considered that a B plus. I'm not I consider it as you see it with your own eyes in person. Definitely, Uh, if it's still a fear I started considered that a B plus. So I've had the A there, I've had multiple B pluses. Uh. In Ohio up like I said, numeless and captures there in the place is renowned for it.

22:08 I mean, if you look at the history of Salt Fork State Park, they actually have a whole center established by the state of Ohio next adnising sasquatch in the tell you they actually have events that take place in the state park celebrating these hominis. So yeah, I want to go back to that the night where you had that those interactions. So at any time did you hear any sounds that that sounded monkey like or ape like or or primate like in any way it was heavy breathing, uh, some gruffness, like a gravelly low tone part of the breathing process. It's my assumption that they had been running. There's probably two The footsteps identified that there were two that they had been running through the forest to get to our camp, and so they were breathing quite hard, quite heavily, and so you know, if you run pretty hard for a lot of distance, figure you're going to have a gravelly in and out process of breathing. But no, there was there was no chatter, no samurai chatter, nothing like that. Sure you mentioned there

23:44 were handprints captured on cars. How big were these handprints that were captured? Some of them were natured if you were to spread the fingers with your hand out as far as you can from the tip of the thumb, the tip of your your thinking having that in excess of sixteen inches, oh my goodness. Uh. And the fact that there was like like a silty like oiling substance that was there as well. I've seen those types of handprints and other locations and that, and I think that's really suggestive as perhaps maybe where they nest or maybe the geology of where they nest they have if then another sample that could do a chemical analysis of it, and you see what kind of play is of anyhow. But yeah, the numeless cars and in fact, one of our senior people, very well respected person, he has a file of bigfoot fingerprint because we get so many of them on automobiles and equipment and argies and whatnot, that he actually carries a fingerprint kit and as an experienced person in doing that kind of uh uh data question. And we actually has

25:19 a Dayna phile on fingerprints, which I think is extremely awesome. Actually I've never heard of that before. That's really cool. There is another individual who has the database of actually the German religions from footprints which are coming in their own like like fingerprints. I don't recall his name off him uh in that senior person that would be a PR. I don't have his permission to release his name. However, he's well respecting in the community by hundreds of people, and I didn't know that he has this file established. And so when you saw handprints all over the vehicles up and down the line, going out there and collecting that datastremely important. In fact, every expedition now we tell attendees because the investigators know better, but we tell attendees in the morning when you wake up, you know, when you back up before you go to bed at night, take your smartphone out and take a quick picture of your camp. Help touch nothing, take a picture for the bed in the morning.

26:41 There's two things that want you to do. One, take another picture of your camp, see if anything's the move. And the second is look at your vehicle. Most places we go, as you know, dusty roads, etc. You're going to see handprints, a lot of finds on your vehicle, squatches like the look in the cars to see if the something in there worth thinking and then it will take something if you leave it alone. And so we tell attends to be mindful of that. And in certain areas it's a fifty fifty chance you'll wake up for a handprint or nose prints on maybe your driver door, a back atch your suv. You may wake up and see that your ice chest has been rotated and moved around or opened and left open, those kinds of things. But yeah, we put that out there when you were looking at the handprints and the fingerprints, was there any seabum that was left behind that you noticed. Sometimes there's like an oily substance.

27:56 I believe it's called sum by Doug Hicheck. Yeah, there's white oily substance, right. I believe again just being practical here that if they're crawing and digging maybe for food or in a place where they're nesting. That material is now here to their hands, to their skin, and that could be suggested of where they live. But yes, in the fissues you see quite obviously the white oily substance with clear swools of the fear fit with scarring and everything else. That's very cool. I've been on a few private expeditions so far, and on those we will do certain things in camp to see if we can make them curious to draw them into camp later on that night.

28:53 Does in BFR expeditions, are you guys doing anything from the expeditions that I've been on, I can only attest to those expeditions. Okay, However, it's the general consensus. They know we're there, They see us, they know what food looks like, they know what cameras look like. We don't need to leave out traps or gifting or anything like that. They know we're there. They see us in a couple of instances. I think they anticipate us being there, But that's just my afterthought. We don't sit in camp and do tree knocks or anything like that. We get out in betrayals in your night operations. That's to the discussion of the team leader of whether or not they're going to do that. But they're gonna they're gonna limit that to tree knocks. Maybe how maybe imitate in an owl call, perhaps big so society will be right back after these messages. When I've been out on the

30:25 trails and night ops, I don't do treecks, I don't new hollers, I douil't new screens. It's my general belief that when a SPOTS does a tree knock, does an indication that there's at least two or more in the area, because the SPOTS is only doing that tree knock not for your benefit, it's doing it for the benefit of another to identify for something here. There have been times we have recorded a chain event of treeofs and where there's an uck from another knock and then further down another knock, and they're communicating perhaps three or four in sequence, and I should have to ask that it's not just one of the three. Not Sometimes it's rock blacking and in one case actually the clicking of muscle fells and flames. Oh wow, as well, that's that's really cool. That's a new one for me. But it makes sense, you know, they're using the tools that they have in the area. So I would think that, you know, can you share a time where you had a what the BFR I would consider a Class A or a visual sighting. Yeah, nineteen eighty four, I was in young Marie.

31:52 I went to Bridgeport, California, which is in Ciero Mountains of California, during the winter for cold weather training. I was standing guard duty and rip public called firewatch, mostly low calls of guard duty. And I was doing my shift for three hours and there's about six to eight inches of snow on the ground, and so you're standing on a pallette that's been putting on the ground. So make sure you don't get a hyper you know, crossfight, you through your booze or whatever. And well you have your N sixteen, you've got your cold weather geary. In this particular night, it was a second tigh night stood firewatch. I was standing out there. I'm on the midnight to three shift, clear moonlight sky. You're up in the mountains that I believe it's seventy five thousand feet in elevations. I'd have to check that number. Anyhow, that's stamware and very little wind. And I look over and a tree, this huge tree, and all of a sudden, at thirty feet away from me, a splotch steps out from behind a tree.

33:22 Locks we lock eyes for six seven eight mississippies, and I had my fifteen out. I had my thumb on the selector switch to put it on fire, and I just I couldn't do it. I froze. Like I said, I'm six seven, three hundred pounds with all my gear on, flat jacket and everything else. You'd look a lot bigger this splotch. It taught me humility. And I know it's kind of odd to say, but up until that point, I thought I was the biggest baddest animal in the forest. Main course, and part of that, you know, teaching you you're against the bold, and that's explain, that's let's go. However, I believe that I believe that was the baddest thing in the forest. And I saw something that was eight and a half nine feet all probably close to one thousand pounds, came in like eyes, and we locked eyes at thirty feet and I said to myself, I know I'm not the biggest baddest thing in the forest. And I could not move my arms. I am like

34:59 I said, it was six eight Mississippis, and and as fast as it came up from behind the tree, he was back behind it and gone. Uh later, my staff starger came by. You have to report anything unusual to report, and I told my staff guard and he said, listen, just put in your log that new encountered in Digito, this wildlife. It'll be easier. He says, I've been up here a dozen times and sometimes you see things. I go, yes, sir, So that's what I did. Uh Later. I couldn't go out there and measure steps and do all that other because you've got to get we ad jeeps. You have humpies back then, so you get your jeep and but you get see the steps were the spacing was probably twice that of mine footprints or I was a size a men's size fifteen as a women's size seventeen goes what we do the conversion and probably half again as long and double it with that was the impression into the smell, like I said it. That image seeing that stayed written the

36:34 rest of the time I was in America, and every once in a while, uh like in Japan or Okinawo Butler you're aut in woods, you're on the point. Whenever you always have I always had this littlest mitet about what at that is out there, and that's the question that I've been driving to resolve all this time. That's that's incredible to have that kind of citing when you're in the military like that, and also to have your you said, your sergeant pretty much allude that, Yeah, I've seen stuff too, you know, and I'm not going to talk about it. Yeah, it's I don't want to need people to think that there's some kind of organized conspiracy to cover up data, even just looking out for me right to say, hey, don't create ways just everything's fine. Yeah, there's some strange stuff out here, evens with stuff. There's strange stuff out here. You go, you're the lingering but just right indigenous life cause you this wild mind. It makes you wonder if people should start using the terminology indigenous wildlife when they do fier request now for bigfoot stuff exactly exactly So, like I said, the

38:09 rest of the time of my career, whenever we were in the woods, I always had that in the back of the line, there's something like that gonna pop out again. I never confessed that to anyone until I was well out of the Marine Corps and that was oh gosh, that was a grasping U C l A. And I had retired from the Marine Corps. Did I ever share that story with anyone? Wow? Have you ever been on any expeditions with the BFRL where there were classes that occurred in those expeditions?

38:50 Yes? Yes, another expedition witnessing. I was come hunting, but we believe us a hunting party on this very narrow ridge, like filling into a horseshoe valley. And this ridge just comes out into a point and at its widest part is probably twenty feet wide, and that smokes down on either side sixteen seventy feet, goes flat forward very short distance to go back up to another ridge. And on the north side of this ridge there's a line of shrubbery like while oleander or something like that. That's for us. It's about five and act sixteep tall, and myself and others descending in the circle.

39:50 We've got a fire going and we're just talking normal act like you know, we're not there for a sasquatch, but we are. All of a sudden, Rocks gets are starting to get thrown at us, small ones starting in marbles, acorns. They're coming from behind us. And also I'm from the front of us. And and also we're telling our group leader, hey, what stuff thrown at us. We're on the top of a ridge. There's nothing above us to follow on us, so where's it coming from? And she's telling us, okay, and go keep come, let's keep come.

40:31 So I follow up my flinger and I stand up and I look to the north where I can look over this shrubbery. And and if you find her, my flinger is this big, and I have it stuff for a white hot. It's this big white hot orb with part of a black dot. And I'm thinking I need to calibrate this or something. And I pulled it away and it's not an orb. I was looking at this and a squatch face so close that it looked like a white orb in my view finder.

41:15 That this squatch was probably fifteen feet away, thirteen feet and I'm standing up looking over the hedge of the bushes, looking down, and it's looking up at me. It's standing below me, and its heads almost even to the top of those bushes. So seven and a half eight feet overall height. Also, I start breathing heavy and I go there it is. I start yelling out loudness. I shouldn't have done what I did there. It is there, This is right there. It's right there, and Scotch tastes off, goes down into that little valley, and meanwhile behind us we hear the growl and the movement of two other much heavier scouts. We also note that six feet away is a deer actually shaking uncontrollably inside the bush right next to us, newly six feet away, and they're just sitting there, totally not intimidated by us humans. They're just sitting there shaking. And we hear the two very large squats behind us, once in the southwest ones in the southeast.

42:40 They've made grunt noises. They're jumping up down, they're angry or throwing things at us. Meaning at the one through the north is now run down the valley and has come up the other side. And when it comes up the other side, it gets behind the bush and it starts needing back and forth. Because of the temperature contrast, there was about forty five degrees we could actually see on fear her breath, you know, like this was cold, and see your breath. We actually saw her breath. What was so fantastic about that? Was to either side of her, there were these two four and a half the five foot tall hot spots in the trees, moving around in the trees. They're too juveniles. With her now behind us again, this is all happens simultaneously. They turn around and the one very large ones despect the nail that was to the southwest, he spounced off further to the southwest. The deer bolts bescards running down the slope. The one that was to the southeast. He has circled a land and received his silhouette between the vehicles. He needs one handprint on a vehicle fender, and he passes three. There's four vehicles parked at about oh one hundred and twenty one hundred

44:15 twenty five feet away. That's how we got there. And so he's passed between those and it's now going down slope, making a lot of noise being it going towards the female and the few small ones that were in the three standing up and looking at across that bush and his face being so big that you couldn't even see it all in the fleeor I pulled the fear away and that action saw a face looking back at me. That was a class a wow. Uh, can you share what state that occurred in? That was in Ohio? That was in Ohio two. I was like, that's got to be West Virginia. Now that's Ohio too. No, I just I just came back on a Friday expedition in West Virginia Sunday night. I was out there for four days and uh, but no, this this was so that is incredible. Did you were you able to record anything during that incounter?

45:20 Re recorded all that on the fear Most of us minimum of clear scout right, and you just have the button and you record and I recorded the scratch, went down the valley back up the next ridge. Everything that recorded and the audio was afore recorded as well, and that's property of the BFIRO. Big for a Society will be right back after these messages. That's incredible.

46:06 I mean, I can't can't even imagine. But wow, what an interaction. Uh what You've mentioned this term hunting party a few times. What what what's your definition of that? Like? How can you look at a group and be like, oh, they're they're probably a hunting party. Well, we have to look at the sociologically Okay, Uh, the Native Americans and First Nations people's to this area pame to North America. Squatches presumably were already here. And so the fact that they don't have tools like spears and crossbows and pretiosich rifles, et cetera. They have techniques for hunting, uh.

46:54 And those techniques h are quite similar to what observed in early Dative Americans, the First Nation's peoples. The fact that in and before clothes peoples chasing a group of bison or anaalope for deer down the slope then off the cliff, or chasing a group of deer from one direction into a waving group ready to grab them. Okay, if that's the behavior that's to learned now the squatches learned from First Nations and early Native Americans, or the Native Americans the First Nation people learned that from them, I don't know. Okay, that's a whole different masters pieces on the own. However, what we observed was a female a few three of these, coming up a slope, chasing the deer that was right next to us and hoping to drive it into the waiting arms of the two large males behind us, and we just had to have the dumb luck of the walking into the middle of it. That's why the two the rocks and acorns at us. That's why all that was taking place to get us out of there. So you see this behavior of hunting, and this has been observed before where maybe one or two sposors are driving an

48:30 elk or driving a group of mule beer in one direction downslope because it's easier. It was balanced on a trick and a rocket tree at separate, fall down and then spots your nab that you grab it. This is the behavior that goes well before theanderfal probably the pro magnet era that early man did. So again who talking mm hmm. How does a group of Native American slash First Nations people hunt a mascadom at least two thousand pounds and all they have is primitive spears? What they do and they did this with long horned bison, et cetera. If you stampede them down a slope or off it, or stamping them off the cliff, and when they fall that now they're disabled to h to you know, harness them to gather them up. They kill them, and you know that's their their source of food, clothing, et cetera. So here we see that same primitive type behavior occurring and that makes perfect sense. That sort of matches their their technology level, that matches their favior level. You know, we don't see that with a with a ring

50:05 of things or silverebecaris with Japanzees, but we see it with this fire order fright nate not say behavior. It's incredibly interesting, is the side of it that I've never really thought of before, and it's it's a very cool conversation. There's a question that keeps bouncing around in my head and I'm going to ask it, and just I am very serious with this question, even though it may come across a little silly. But you mentioned you have a size fifteen shoe, right, Yes, Are you ever concerned that your footprints are misconstrued for sasquatch footprints during an experts No, it's non snowy question because the science there's no such thing as still questions. Sure, first move, Second, I do not walk around the floors barefoot. I do not walk around the graphic for the pins and sand burgs and poison ivy. I wear where uh I don't in a stasquatch foot. First off, even if I did, there's two very distinct differences. One, it's that that mid break right exactly my foot. Humans do not bend in the middle. One and two therefore is pluses why this money plus is why there you go? So No,

51:39 so even if I had did that, I probably that have multiple all kinds of problems with my feet. But I don't fair enough. You also mentioned that you're a geologist. Yes, earlier have you found that there are more bigfoot sightings or reports around certain deposits of rock types. Well, it's not so much deposits. Deposits suggest when you use it to any time, joagist. So when we use the which deposits, we're speaking of an action either fuvial or atmospherically or through some mechanical process that is needed material. So that answer, would you know? However, there is a correlation when you map this out, Ah, when you look at a map of sightings.

52:43 Now, when I'll put an asterisk next to that we're sighting and I'll come back to it a little bit. Okay, when you look at sightings a map of them, and you look at a math of what is called Kart's topography, paleo valkanism, balcanism, or current balconism. When you look at formations that easily fracture, for example, the slates and mudstone, silt stones and in coal. Uh here in the appellation. When you look at those areas on the us ES geologic math, we overlay that with a map of sightings. You'll see there's all a direct one to one correlation. Uh.

53:34 It's been well documented that the nest pier stripe, for example. Uh, they use to store meat in cays out in the upper Northwest. Those caves happen to be old volcanic tubes, right so, and they would ask me because of the process of pressure Iceland and now there are tourist trafts called ice caves. There are multitudes of these volcanic caves, volcanic tudes located throughout the Northwest, multitudes of them, probably half of them not yet. Now.

54:19 Okay, now we look in Florida. That's where there's Antexas and parts of Oklahoma where there's a strong preblet what's called kars photography, limestone underground caverns where the surface exposures where they've been eroaded out et cetera. Then you get into the Appalachian where you have these wonderfully booked scenes of sandstone, glaystone, coll scenes, et cetera that can fall out and create those did this for shelter no I mentioned earlier about the line that's just roches had on their hands at the left the windows. If we sample that, you see what type of plague or what substance is, then that we could probably generally match that up to an area where they recently had been. Very simple c side eis what's in it? Where did they come from? Where did that material come from?

55:28 And you'll be able to find okayre shale, and there's biotype mica and there's this type of felspark. Well, where are those three materials located? You're looking at the map Boom boom boom, that's where it was. Wow. So anyhow, you calling the USCS theologic map, you don't need one that's finding detailed this generality, and you match it with sightings maps. Now, remember earlier stut for astress that we're citing. You're going to remember that sightings have classifications. And if you get through an area where there's females and juveniles. See that's probably part of a residential population. Of those scratches cited walking through a field, walking across the road a highway are males now females.

56:29 Females typically don't wander and move, especially if they have a young one with them. We don't see that with any other primates. Do the females travel. It's the males to travel. So when you say sightings, I'm talking about resident populations, plans of Scotch where there may be a dominant male through or three females. It is two or three older males, maybe five or six female. Something on the order of a like a gorilla congress or something like that. They might be forming that. It could also be quite similar to one in the NFL family unit or command. The family doesn't work like that's just a suggestion. But and so when we see, you know, someone's driving that highway whatever number, in the middle of the night and they see this ten foot guy that's fowling across the sixtine highway, he's alone traveler, right, Okay, okay, nap those sightings. But they're traveling to get to another location where they're migrating, and he's migrating to an area.

57:54 Where are where there are resident females. That's where he's going to, and where are we going to find this rights females? Uh? They he far from home and ask them to be where you find cart topography, pale your volcanic or active volcanic topography, or where there is well booked, very mature, uh sedentary apostles like the Appalachia Man. There's a lot to unpack from this one. This is definitely one I will be listening to a few times. This is incredible. H. The last question I want to ask you, Marcia, is has there ever been a time when something happened during an expedition and you were like, you know what, I'm fine with if I could leave right now, I'm out of here. Yeah, yeah, I had. I had an unusual experience. This is not Ohio, this is Tennessee. It was maybe I should have made better choices. I this was a VFL expedition had concluded it was done. However, our senior leadership rented a massive tent that you get from a rental company. You come out, you see them in these car loss and refuge for fifty sixty feet long

59:27 or twenty thirty feet wide. Anyhow, our group had rented one and we were camping in the group camping area and had this massive tent put up, and so the rental company could not come back and pick it up until that Monday morning, and the expedition had concluded Sunday morning. Big for Society will be right back after these messages. Okay, So I'm another person. Ball appeared to stay behind. Well, just by coincidence, the state was closing this area to everyone for a period of time, so all campers help, everyone had to go, even a camp host left for a couple of days.

1:00:32 The rangers were gone at meetings, so the only human beings in this area were me and my field partner. We're there to watch the tent thinke sure nothing happened to it, and to be there to unlock the gate so the rental company become the install it and take it and take it away and the document if there's any damage. We don't want our friend, uh, the senior coordinator, to be built unnecessarily for a supposed advantage, so we're there to observe all that. So everyone means in the parts Sunday morning like normal expedition, And so I'm staying behind, and this other person's staying high well there well on the other side of the crew camp area to say, to the north, and I'm on the very south side, and this huge tent relented was about one hundred yards away from where I can So during the day, he and I go get lunch, we come back, and so I go over to one of the adjacent fire rings from me, about sixty feet away, and the previous camper there left a big stack of wood, beautiful red oak. That's not I'm gonna need that tonight. We're respecting kind of raining, drizzling, gonna be in the fifties. So anyhow, so

1:02:07 I go over there with my big foot wagon carrying a roof of my suv, and I'm gonna load wood to bring it over to my cants. So I'm over there. I pulled the picnic table plaster fire rings by the place to sit down, and I'm sitting on the edge of the picnic table and I'm slowly stacking wood if my wagon and at my two o'clock behind a tree at thirty five forty feet away, a dulinusquatch look shot from behind a tree and then runs through another tree further from my right to my three thirties, say, four o'clock, six foot navy six and a half feet, maybe two hundred pounds, very thin hair, grayish, dark gray skin, leathery skin in the face. Uh, comical head. I'm bigger than that, Judy. And so my first thing experience with problem is keep don't panic, don't start breathing now, don't start pointing, don't start yelling. I just every time I reached for a piece of wood, I would gently turn my body a little bit more to my right to see the second tree he's gone to. As soon as he gets to about my three o'clock one thirty position, boom boats to another tree. Now he's so far behind me, I'm

1:03:44 gonna have to make it obvious that I see him and I turn around. So I turn around real quick, and he's he's split. He's gone. I get on the radio. I call my field partner. I go, hey, yes, that's what I just saw. This. Come on down here and you backtracktice trail and maybe we ain't seen again. Still he comes down the trail, he's he doesn't see anything, okay, So he goes back to his tech area. I go back to mind. I'm now all excited. I got I got some more of that word. I'm taking it back back hand site, and I'm telling myself, this is going to be a very long night. That's a juvenile mom and dad. That minimum mob has to be in the area. It's gonna be a long night. Though.

1:04:42 I told myself, I'm gonna have sent me more colts and I need to be prepared for that. So about twenty minutes later, I get a call from my funeral partner says, hey, marching, you know what, I just don't feel comfortable here. I'm going to go home. Well, okay, general rule is we don't leave people alone. But I'm a big girl. Let's take care of myself. I'm well armed. If I got a special weapondery, the deal, we'll ask about God forbid if I right has to so not a problem. So he passed up in these I go back to my can site and I start telling myself I need to be prepared.

1:05:39 I moved my tent back a little bit. My tent is eight feet by sixteen feet. It's seven foot pole in the center. I moved my tent back about foot so the actual back of my tent. The long side of my tent is directly touching these huge bushes that are behind me. I don't know if they're flower bushes. I'm not a green person. I moved my car and I asked me back up and drive over my own tent states ten states, so that the one end of my tent, dight foot white end of my tent is actually touching the back reel well the passenger side of my car. On the other end of the tent, I take the picnic table and I push it up on end so the bench is acutely on the ground. The bench seats on the ground. I shacked my totes that I used to store clothes, et cetera. I had plastic Amma pans from you get the harbor freight. I put those out there and I get the stacked up. I have my collassical kitchen and call the stove out there, so I have what's called a detection perimeter all the way around me. I then take some five pound fishing line. They go all the way around my camp area, and I connect it to what's called a personal alarm. They're pretty

1:07:14 pretty useful, pretty basic pieces of equipment anywhere can use there's no on off switch. There's one pin. You pull the pin and it's a sixty five seventy decibel alarm. There's no way to turn it off. Nothing. Well, you probably take the battery out there to fill up. Screw dotter take it apart because the only turned off put the pin in it. So I hooked that up to the fifth line. I go okay, I said, if I hear something approach me, I'll know where it's at. If they juggle m pan, I know where they're there. They touch the table, I know they're there. If they're in the bushes, I know they're there.

1:07:59 So nighttime comes, I've made some dinner, I even made a pot of coffee, and starting rain like rain, moderate drizzle occurring. And that's my very little wind sparkle in my tent. And on the other side of my car is a one lane gravel load. And on the other side of that gravel load there's a very sleep steep slope that turns into utility cut out for these massive power towers. Are power lane towers are And and I get in my tent, I mean there for about a half hour, and I hear put stuffs on the gravel These are by petal. These are splot spots spots flocks. That's a bear. We had had a bearing camp earlier.

1:09:01 Black bear in camp earlier. We chased it off quite easily. So one of my tools is the key bob for my car. I hit the alarm light, flash horn sounds, and I hear the bear running away. No problem, turned all that off. Now a couple hours I'm I have my log book out. I'm running down everything that's been transpiring, especially being counter earlier in the day, still excited about I've never seen a scots look like a juvenile, probably a teenager person the less. So I'm detail writing all that down, and then all of a sudden, that alarm goes off.

1:09:50 Uh oh uns the top door of my tent. I look out, I see nothing, and I go out to my alarm. There is dangling. So my thought is is that a stick must have fell hits the string, maybe a bird to into it. Okay, So I hold it up to the light. I plugged the pin back in it. I add a little bit more slacked to the string, to the fishing line, and I go back into my tent fin up my notes. I'm finished up with a cup of coffee, and now I'm getting a little bit more worried. I now have Previously I had taken my rifle out of my car. I've bought it into my tent and I have it resting right next to my cot and I'm finishing my notes. And all of a sudden, it's now midnight, twelve thirteen morning. That alarm goes off again, and I'm a little bit more suspect. I'm a little bit more worried. I stand up. I have a blue cet already. I grabb my rifle and I'm about to unzip the door, and the alarm turned off. That made the hair in the back of my next stand up. There's no way to turn it off unless you

1:11:23 put the pin in it. I carry a Henry forty five to seventy rifle, especially handmade rounds. I chambered around di cocted. I said out loud, I'm armed. I have nothing you want. You need to leave, I can. I then zipped the ten. I did a three sixty stand in the area. I go look to where the alarm is, and the alarm is gone. Because two ends of the fishing line was spangling in the breeze. Okay. Now I'm starting to getting a little worried. Maybe I had made a bad decision staying there. I get another alarm out. These are a small alarms, the teaching alarm, pretty inispster. I put another one. Now, I bunge you a little alarm to the tree behind the car, and I said, now, if something falls whatever, it's bunch into the tree, I'll hook it up again. And I'm sort of breathing heavy. I've drake two cups of coffee. I'm pretty much wide away, and I go back into my tap. I sit there for a few moments.

1:12:48 I go through. I'm laid down, so I laid down to my cot I got the rifle right on top of my chest and this economics. I immediately passed out, fell asleep. That shouldn't happen. It did. Next thing I know, it's about quarter past seven in the morning. There's a light rain in my tent. I can see daylight. When I hear something moving outside the action zipping door of my tent. There's something out there. I hear it moving. Uhh. I'm in the same position I was when I lay down. Rife was right across my chest and set in my ferry grab it. I stand up, rub my eyes in a moment, and I go unzip the tent door and I look outside the tent. There's a coyote standing on top of the picnic table that is now back on all fours. There's a coyote just standing there staring at me, about five feet away. I shome away. I go out of the way. Irons at the tent. I go out and I'm looking around and the toads that I have stacked up the amalpans I have stacked up as a detection peme, they were all now disheveled around the campsite. I had amopans stacked in three rows

1:14:24 of three. The toads were in three rows of four, and they were all laying individually around me. My personal alarm was still attached to the tree. The fish and string had been broken. Half had been cut or broken. I'm looking around trying to make sense of what's going on now, not only kind of that drusally misty stuff, but it's also fog is set in. You can't see any more than thirty forty feet in this fog. Big so society will be right back after these messages, h I fire up the Coleman stove, I start water for coffee, and the first thing I do is I full out my right Eurraine book in my little yellow pan, and I got start writing down all the events that have been a purry. I want to keep track of what's happening, and so as I'm doing that, coffee is about reading done Perkin. Not here. Wow, this tree break I've ever heard of my experience. And it's happened over to where the rental tent is. Well, I can't see it because of the dense fog.

1:15:54 Okay, I set my notebook down and my pen down a side and picnic table. I've round my rifle and I go over there to see make sure no one's messing with that tent, and get over there. In this huge wind, maybe five and a half sixties in diameter, broke cleanly off the side of a tree six seven feet up a year. At that point, I said to myself, why do I feel like I'm walking into an ambush or a trap or something. That's what I feel like. I immediately did three sixties skin everything around me. I've chambered around in my rifle and I'm looking around, going okay, you've got me. That's what I'm thinking in my head. I hear the coyotes further away, but nothing near me.

1:16:57 I go walking back from my tent. I turned to walk back onto the coffee pop so I can finish perking. I sit down in my chair. I grab my notebook. Damn, I lost my pen. I dropped it somewhere. I think, I don't know. Okay, So I've been on the pan. I finished writing down my notes, everything that's happened, and my coffee at breakfast A pack up camp that's now about nine thirty quarter ten. Bog is lifted and Son's trying to come out and missed the stock. I get everything I wanted in the car except my wagon, which normally I turn upside down and bunch you to the roof rack. So I'm sitting there.

1:17:41 You know what, that red boat is going to really help me. So I'm going through a different expedition from here. I want I want that red oak. So I go over there to that fire ring, that picnic table to get the risk of that red oak. And as I approach our picnic table, there's my yellow pin. I had been intense the squatches, the intensely pulled me out of my pants. They tricked me and get me out of my hands, and they took that yellow pin. At that point, as I screen the red oak, I turned around, went back.

1:18:26 Were ragging up on the top. Bungee it quickly and I go to open up my driver's door. There's two handprints on my driver's door that was not there when I was packing my ear. I looked at that, hit the button unlocked, set the rifle in the seat next to me, got in the car and locked it and spun out of there. I got to the gate, I left the team the locked left, the gate opened, and went three miles down the road. Contacted the senior coordinator and said, every the tense game. Everything's fine, but I'm leaving to go home. I don't feel safe. I become in danger. A few months after that, I meet up with the same coordinator, different expedition, and she asked me to relate this encounter with the rest of the group. I do, and she goes, well, that's something to add to that. That weekend, that Saturday night, the Sheriff's department in the Rangers got called numerous times because of a very very tall, dark figure looking the windows, trying to open cars, trying to and hitting on the side of rbs. Curious anyhow, I get home and I'm still a little shrieking by watch had occurred. I'm

1:20:03 sort of questioning, maybe I should have left in my field, partner left, Maybe I should have insisted on other more people staying there. I'm just kind of second guessing myself. Uh. That's when the third night I was hold was the first time I saw a dark shadow figure in my home, which I thought may have been a hitactor martial. Is that Holy mackerel, that's I can't even breathe after that. That's that's probably I would say.

1:20:45 I'm gonna say top intense story I've heard in years that is wild, and that's in Tennessee somewhere. That's the whole My goodness. You know the marine he tells me other one and I'm in a standing fight. I know we've all heard in the flight or fight, right, maybe a lot of those not so smart people. But I don't go along with the flight. I stay in front and uh I, like I said, I even have specially crafted inition me the chief in my rifle just in case. And that's the first and many time I've ever second guessed myself. Wow, thank you so much for chatting tonight. This has been uh, this has been wild.

1:21:40 And I know we had talked before about you've had other stuff happen too, and sometimes what I will do is I have kind of like a special after show for Patreon members and YouTube members and it's it's stuff that's not necessarily big Foot related, but you've also had some other weird things happen. And would you still be up for for sticking around a little bit for the members to about that again? The mission of the d f r OS data gathered data and public public you know, interaction, but also public education. And granted the organization doesn't really push out the paranormal stuff, but things do happen in that society. I had yet to explain them. So yeah, I'd be more happy to show absolutely. Well, well, thank you. Before we go though, in the main episode, can you take a minute how can people find out more about the b f r OH try to get set up with their own expedition things. Yeah, we have a great website uh b f r O dot org uh or b f r O dot this. Google it and you will see we have multiple expeditions go out the country that are guided by extremely experienced people that everything is safely done and no one goes out

1:23:15 by them settles or is are left alone or anything like that. And there's all over the country, all over the country, from New York to Washington, in California, areas on of Texas, Florida, you name it. Just going that website, think kind of state icon. You'll see it listed right there, and just follow the steps. But send an inquiry and you're interested and and then follow up and go from there. You will not regret it. You will not regret it. I have made friends on those expeditions now that I consider them life oile friends that you get out on the trail with them, you learn a lot about someone who when something is potentially scary happening and they're right next to you, you learn a lot about a person and they look at you and you look at them, and they go to be run Nawle's stay and check it out, right and they do they do so anyhow, just go to the website, check it out. There's a vast amount of information there. There are audio recordings or history, there are news articles for you to click on it's a very well maintained website, and any given time they can send messages to you, you can relate them to me. I'll answer whatever I can at any time as an ambassador. And

1:24:46 then once you make contact with the VFO, you're welcome, asked all the questions you want of staff whom you need along the way. That's awesome again, Marsha, thank you for chatting and for sharing what you've experienced over the years. And members don't go anywhere. You want to hit the site to get the after show to find out what Marcia has experienced outside the realm of Bigfoot. So thank you, Marsha. If you'd like to hear more, there is an extra hour long segment from Marsha where she stays on for the Strange Days portion of big Foot Society. That's a special show that I sometimes do for the Patreon members and YouTube channel members and Bigfoot Posse tier and above.

1:25:32 Pretty much what happened is after Marcia got home from this experience that you just heard about, she started to experience some wild things at her house that have to do with paranormal subjects. It gets wild. Marcia also shares other cryptigs she's had encounters with and a very interesting bigfoot contact method that cannot be recommended. You can hear the Strange Days portion of the show by becoming a Patreon member at patreon dot com, forward slash the big for Society, or hit the join button on the YouTube channel. Thanks and we'll see you next time.