Dec. 26, 2025

Logger Encounters Sasquatch on the Olympic Peninsula and Realizes They Are Intelligent | Archives

Logger Encounters Sasquatch on the Olympic Peninsula and Realizes They Are Intelligent | Archives

Originally released 8/3/24 Face to Face with Sasquatch on the GO Road (A Conversation with Thom Cantrall) In this riveting episode, we dive deep into the fascinating world of Sasquatch with the legendary Thom Cantrell. With tales spanning over 50...

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Season 1

Originally released 8/3/24

Face to Face with Sasquatch on the GO Road (A Conversation with Thom Cantrall)

In this riveting episode, we dive deep into the fascinating world of Sasquatch with the legendary Thom Cantrell. With tales spanning over 50 years, Thom shares his first-hand encounters with Bigfoot, including the incredible story of his first full-on sighting and his telepathic teachings from a Sasquatch named Akanishia. Listen as Thom recounts intense and sometimes unnerving experiences from the US and beyond, like his face-to-face meetings with Sasquatch, attending a Sasquatch funeral on Prince of Wales Island, and surviving life-threatening health issues with the help of his mysterious forest friends. Thom offers unique insights and profound lessons he has learned through his deeply respectful relationship with these elusive beings, making this a must-watch for Bigfoot enthusiasts and believers in the supernatural.

Resources:https://thomcantrall.com

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. Welcome to Big for Society.

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If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same

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area as discussed in this episode, please reach out to

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me directly after this episode, And if you'd like to

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be on the podcast to discuss a personal bigfoot encounter,

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please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at

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gmail dot com. All right, Big for Society, I've got

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a privilege of talking to an individual that many listeners

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have reached out to me over the years to get

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on the podcast, and it's just it's gotten to the

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point we had to make it happen. So mister Tom

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Cantrell is here and it's a pleasure to have you

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with us today.

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Tom, Well, thank you very much. I'm very happy to

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be here. It's always fun to talk about Sasquatch. Oh.

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You know, that's what I love to do too, So

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I'm glad I'm in good company. But so you are

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out in the Pacific Northwest, correct, Tom.

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Yes, i am. I live in western Washington now. I

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lived for thirty years over in the southeast part of

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Washington in the desert, and now I'm over on the

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west side again. Although you wouldn't know it by the weather.

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The last week or so, it's been hot, you know.

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I've heard that I'm actually headed out to a small

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town called Oakridge, Oh yeah, next next week for a festival.

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And I was looking at the weather over there and

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it's over one hundred degrees and I'm like, oh my goodness,

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this is this could get a little wild out there,

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but we'll see. It should be good, a great time,

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So I'm looking forward to it.

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Well, it's a little a little lower today. It's only

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eighty two right now, or it's been in the nineties.

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So yeah, Tom, You've got a really interesting background. You've

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been involved with all sorts of things you've been involved with.

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You have a military background, correct, right.

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I spent nine years in the Navy on submarines, and

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I got out of the Navy in nineteen seventy and

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I was living on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington at

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the time. And probably the main reason I got out

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after nine years was they wanted me to go back

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to South Carolina, South Carolina again, and I said, Hey,

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there's no WAYLK in South Carolina. I know, I've looked

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and they're all over here. So I still yeah, stayed

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and then start college. Start college in Port Angelus for Washington,

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then transferred to Versity of Washington, got my degree in

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logging engineering. And I that said, I have never worked

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a day as an employee of a company as logging engineer.

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When I got out, I found out what they paid

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and I was making more money just put my little

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jip O logging outfit than what they wanted to pay me.

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But I did do a lot of consulting work, especially

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bridge site surveys in the state of Washington. If you're

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going to build a road that crosses a stream used

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by anagamus fish runs, that's a fish that are born

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in fresh water and go to see and then come

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back to freshwater to spawn like Sam and steelhead Lincoln

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or not Lincoln, but oh dad name jumped out of

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the mind. But that type of fish. You have to

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have a permit from the state, and in order to

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get that, you have to do you have to survey

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the stream and submitted design. And that's what that'd be

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hired to do. Most times. I did a lot of

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property line work too, but it was mostly bridge site

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surveys and in those days, in those times, it was

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in old growth timber, so I'd be hiking back in

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a minimum of four miles, generally five or six or

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seven miles because the ones alongside the road their company

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engineers took care of. They hired me for the ones

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that Dad's a long hike. Well, I found out real

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quick the last thing you want to do is hike in.

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Do your survey. And that consisted of screen flow bed

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type you know, soil rock whatever, and what you were

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going to use for abut MutS, and how the bridge

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was going to build be built. All of that owned

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real quick that the last thing you wanted to do

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was hike in. Get all your measurements and hike back out,

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sit down at the table and figure out you forgot

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to get one measurement. So what I would do is

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when I got everything I thought I needed, I'd sit

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down and do a rough drawing. And it was at

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that time that I started seeing them. They would when

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you get curious about what I was doing, sitting there

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alone in the timber where nobody had been for four hundred,

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five hundred years, you know, and here's this guy sitting

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here doing this, doing something, and they'd sneak in on me,

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pee around trees at me. Now, I'd been interested in

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them for many, many years prior to this. It started

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with Jerry Crew incident in northern California in nineteen fifty eight,

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and that's what lit my fire. That was sitting in

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an area not far from where I lived, and edwardly

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caught my interest in and I read everything I could

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get from then until after I was still in high

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school time. I was fifteen years old when that happened,

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and then joined the Navy right out of high school.

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And when you're on the sum you don't have a

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whole lot of time. The law of opportunity to physically

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look for sashquatch. But after they got me up on

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the pinicula, yeah, I did, and that's when I started

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seeing them and it was a great time. It was.

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It was a lot of fun. Wow, and I got sorry.

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So when you just wanted to clarify something, So when

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you said you started seeing them, that's when you're talking

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about bigfoot or sasquatch.

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Correct, Yes, yes, yeah they did. They'd come down and

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when I was sitting there, they'd peek around the tree

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at me. For a long time, I thought they only

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had one eye, just went one side their head the

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other because that's all I ever saw. But finally, one

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day my friend and I it was September. I was

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shut down logging before Firewatch fire season and he had

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a day off, so we decided to go grouse hunting. Well,

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grouse hunting in September is an excuse to be in

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the woods when the elk or bugling. If you've never

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done that, you need to do it. It's absolutely magnificent.

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You haven't lived. You watched those big bulls bugling. And

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we happened on a herd of about one hundred elk

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and the herd bowl was a big five point and

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we followed them mos pubbly for three or four hours,

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and finally came to a turk cut, and it kind

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of had a box in the corner of the timber

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with a turk cut on two sides, and they either

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had to go out in the turk cut or come

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back by us, and about half of them did each.

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And that five point was up on a ridge and

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the clkcut udling his throat out, trying to get his cows,

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his ladies back together again, and he was not happy.

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So we decided it was time to leave them alone.

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Of course we'd gotten separated by that time. Garry was

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somewhere else, but that happened a lot with us. He

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was a forester also, so you know, we could navigate

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anywhere in that timber without not having to worry about

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one of us getting lost. And I was working my

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way back alone and I saw an opening ahead of me,

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and generally that means a water hole, and it's always

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curious to see what's around a waterhole. So I decided

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to sneak in on it. And I got right to

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the edge of it, and great big spruce you there,

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and I kind of sneaked up behind that and peeked

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around and it was in a waterhole. It was an

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area blown down timber about five six acres and there

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were two bears. I thought that there were sitting there

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eating mushrooms. And then one of them stood up. That

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was no bear. He was about probably forty forty five

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yards from me, and great big males ass watch. He

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looked around, made sure everything was all right, and kneeled

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back down and started eating oyster mushroom to growing down trees.

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They're delicious, I envied him. And then his mate stood up.

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She looked around and back down. And I had about

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thirty minutes probably to watch them like this. And then

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in that time they moved within about thirty thirty five

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yards of me, and I fell at GUSTA wing hit

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the back of my neck and I oh, I busted,

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and I had four eyeballs just snapped to me. So

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I just stepped out from the seat from that big

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spirit street and just to let him know I must

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be there, and I said, you know, I'm just here

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watching you. I thought, I don't would like to learn

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from you. Well, he stepped back, and he allowed the

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female to step in front of him to go back

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into the timber, and as she did, she picked up

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a baby and just put it on her chest, and

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he held on while she made her way back in

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the timber. And I yelled, I thank you for sharing

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your family with me. And he turned around, and I

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swear he nodded at me. I really, to this day,

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and that's been this nineteen seventy two, I think to

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this day, you know, fifty two years later, I still

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think that he nodded at me before he turned and

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walked back into the timber. It was that was quite

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a and that's the first time I ever got to

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see them full one from head toe and to sit

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and watch with them. That happened many times since then,

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but that was the first time. It was absolutely fantastic

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because you can imagine.

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Tom.

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That is absolutely incredible. I want to ask a question

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that to some people is going to sound really silly,

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but I'm just going to ask it. So you're in

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the early seventies, from what you just said, I'm guessing

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as of that time, you had no electronic devices on you.

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Correct, I had nothing, you know, not at all. I

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think I had a little camera, but there's you know,

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something that'd be something like a sure shot or you know,

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nothing fancy at all.

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Do you think that because you didn't, There seems to

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be a conversation coming up in the community where people

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are wondering, I think if they go into these areas

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without electronic devices on them, Oh yet, do you think

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that's connected at all times?

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Absolutely? Absolutely, leave that stuff at home. If you want

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to have an experience, leave that. Leave the electronics at home.

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You know, I carry a camera, but they know me now,

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and they know I'm not even going to take a

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picture of the countryside unless I ask permission first, and

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even if there's nothing around, I will ask permission because

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I know they're watching me. They watched me one time.

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One hundred percent of the time I'm in there, and

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I always ask you, I'm going to take a picture now,

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it's that's all right. And if I don't hear anything

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in contrary, then I'll go ahead and do it now.

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But always, and that's all I ever carry. The most

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I ever carry is a camera. Don't carry anything else.

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It's just I found out many many years ago that

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you carry electronics and they'll just avoid you.

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Who was your mentor in the field of bigfoot?

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Nobody, I just said, I just had to learn everything

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on my own as I went. As far as I knew,

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I was the only person that was even doing any

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study on them at all. My friend that I was

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with that day, he didn't believe in them. He thought

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they were a joke. My family just wanted to make

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fun of anything that I found, so I quit talking

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to them about it, and I was entirely on my

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own for bees until twenty ten, okay until twenty I

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finally found on the internet twenty actually twenty on nine,

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and I found that there were other people around the

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country doing this, not many of them, but there were.

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And I found a person named Narla Williams Sarle Colette

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now and she's God got meythink. But up to that time,

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I had, you know, thirty years of facts and no

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way to collate them. And talking to Arla, I got

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started being able to collate them, and that really really helped.

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I helped unbelievably. I had to the point. It was

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September twenty fifth, twenty ten, when I met my teacher

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and he is a nine foot three inch Sasquatch named Akanisha,

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and that has just brought things together. Now I know why,

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and there's believing they're still more mystery than there is

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fact to them. But at least I at least I

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know what I'm doing in the direction I'm going, and

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I didn't for many many years.

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It's absolutely fascinating. So it sounds like you had a

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good thirty years where you were investigating researching sasquatch by yourself,

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in really no contact with the outside research community. Were

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there any absolutely, were there any lessons that you learned

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during that time that you feel are just were invaluable

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to figure out looking back on that time, Yeah.

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A lot. Number one. I learned that they are not

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just an animal, that they are another US. Of course,

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there was no DNA work at that time, but just

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studying them, just being with them, being around them, there

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was just too much that they did that showed intelligence.

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One time I was I can't remember the name of

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the creek out on the west end of the Olympic Peninsula.

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Pardon me, I'm maybe one years old and then short

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term memory is terrible. But I was on this creek.

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It was laid EXAs and archery season and that's the

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reason I was out there, and I had been there

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most of the afternoon when I was where I was

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had my stand. It was in a little brush patch

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next to a major trail alongside this creek, and the

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creek was a series in this area was a series

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of beaver dams. There'd be a pond, a dam, another pond,

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the dam, and the pond behind that one right on

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up the creek and about oh, I don't know. It

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was probably three in the afternoon, and that in that

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area at that time of the year, it's dark by

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four point thirty, so it was late in the day.

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I heard some splashing and I looked down the stream

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and I could see a sash watch it in the

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beaver pond. And actually I watched, and pretty quick there

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were two of them there, and turned out actually there

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were three of them before when they got close enough

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to me, when they got in the pond in front

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of me where I could watch what they're doing. They

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were running the salmon that were in the stream. Goodman

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Creek was the name of the creek. They were running

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the salmon up against the beaver dam ahead of them

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and then picking them up. And as I watched him,

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he was squeezing them with his arm against his body,

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and some he would keep, some he would throw back,

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And it took me fifteen twenty twenty five minutes of

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watching to figure out what he was doing. Uh, and

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what I finally realized. He squeezed them. If nothing came out,

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he threw him back. Those were spawned out. But if

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the eggs or sperm came out, they were fresh. They

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hadn't spawned yet. And I don't know if you know

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it about salmon, but once they spawn, they start just

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like they've got cancer and start dying, and I mean

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they change color, they get these big open sores on them. So, yeah,

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nobody's gonna want to eat that. Well they don't either. Yeah,

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they're intelligent enough know that. Then I looked down and

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his thumbnail, he was close enough I could see it.

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It looks just like a knife the way it was shaped,

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and he was sitting right down the middle. If if

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they had eggs, he'd keep the eggs. If they didn't,

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heed to just keep the heart on the liver, okay,

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struggle the rest of it out and then slit the back.

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So he had cut them on each side of the

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spine and then hang them over a tree lamb while

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if she was fishing, and when it got time to leave,

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they took them all with them. That's a high degree

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of intelligence to do that, to fillay them out like that,

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number one, to check them to see if there's fawn.

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Number two, to follow them like that to dry and

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they dry them just like the Indians did and store them.

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So yeah, that's a a high degree of intelligence there.

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I knew even then. Since I met my teacher, I

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realized just how high it is. But at that time

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I had no doubt that they were an intelligent being.

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Just looked kind of strange.

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Tom, Can you share the story of how you met

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your teacher?

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Sure? Sure? Like I said, it was the twenty fifth

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of September twenty ten, and I had been cabin bowns.

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You got to remember I living in desert then, and

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it was hot, and I didn't go out much during

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the heat. I would worked, but the job I had

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was absolutely fantastic. Twenty By twenty ten I was retired,

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but my last job was as a an engineer estimating

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an engineer for an asphalt company, and if it was hot,

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i'd go to the library or go to the contractor's

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office where they where they put all the upcoming jobs

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forbid and find out what was coming up and who

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was bidding on it, and you know, stay in the cool.

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If it was cool, i'd work, go out and work

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the field somewhere. So it was a fun job. And

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actually it's the fun most fun job I ever had

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in my life, other than falling timber and doing this one.

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It wasn't trying to kill me with every tree they

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came to but on the that but I retired. They

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forced me to retire in two thousand and seven. My

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heart went story on me. And so twenty ten I

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was going to take a trip, just the day trip,

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maybe stay overnight, just to get out of the house.

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In September, late September it cooled off enough. Plus that's

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the time between the end of of archery elk season

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and the beginning to muzzle over our elk season, and

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it's the time when the elk are muling the most.

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I mean, they're deep rut and you never know what

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you're going to see. So I was decided to go

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take this trip, and I mentioned it Arla, and but

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two days before I was going to go, she says,

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this road you're going on, does is there a pollowood

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on that? And I said, well, the road I'm going on.

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I've never been on I've been on the top of

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the ridge both sides of this of this river it's

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Tushi River, but I've never been on this road because

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it was a Boise Cascade tree farm prior, and they

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shut it down and beaded it over to the e

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Matilla Indian Reservation, the tribes of the Indian Reservation, and

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they've had it shut while they rebuilt the road. It

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was in terrible condition. Now the road's finished and they've

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got the gate opened and it's accessible, and I want

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to just go in and check it out. And she said, well,

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I see a large male sasquatch with a red stripe

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on his chest, and he's looking for you. And now

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you've got to remember, Arla is very much of a shaman.

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She's half Cherokee, quarter chalked Off, and quarter Scottish, so

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all three are mystics. But she has she's amazed me

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and what she's done on many times. One time prior

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to this occasion, my heart was giving me a bad time,

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bad enough I call the paramedics. They came. I was

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on the gurney headed out the door when my phone

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rang in Washington. She's in eastern Oklahoma. And she says,

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who are those people? And what's wrong with you? Now?

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If that doesn't blow you away, there's nothing in the

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world going to And so I explained, But so she

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told me about this this, I said, Well, I'll do

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is I'll drive in and if I find a pile

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of wood, I'll just set up there. I don't know

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where I'm going, but I'm just going to set up

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my little my watch station. And when I go, when

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I'm researching Sasquatch, I do go trumpet in the woods. Never.

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What I do is I take my folding chair. And

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I learned this from those early days when I was

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sitting there drawing up my bridge site and they'd come

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peek at me. I have a folding chair, I open

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it up. I have a nice chest with the fried

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chicken hips and boiled eggs and diet PEPSI in it.

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And I have my kindle. I opened the chair, put

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my bottom down in it, grab a chicken hip, a

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boiled egg, and a diet PEPSI open my kindle and

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I read and within an hour there'll be somebody peeking

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around a tree at me. And usually now and that

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at that age I was seeing more and more of them,

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and so I just I'd found a pile of timber

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timber that she was talking about, and I just sat

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up there. It was a nice hil area. I put

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my uh my step on the stop, got a little

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older type setup that I use and some uh it's

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like incense, only actually it's a it's a it smells

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like berries. It's just great. And my eagle feathers and

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hang them and then I just sit and wait. And

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about two in the afternoon, I missed time one thing

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on this trade ship. I had timed all right for

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the season. Deer season was done, but I forgot paul

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Turkey season. Now nobody goes says I'm going turkey hunting

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in September. But it's a great excuse to take the

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gun on the truck and go for a ride on

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a Saturday, Okay. And that's what happened. I had four

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trucks past me and one set of three horses right

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coming out of a high country there, and about two

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in the afternoon, and this is the first time I've

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ever had them speak to me telepathically, okay. And I

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get this message and said I can't come out. There's

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too many people they might find might see me. Said, oh,

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I'm sorry about that. I didn't have to be here today.

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It could have been Tuesday. I'm retired. It's a little

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bit of Tuesday instead of a Saturday. And I had

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stopped and picked a box of apples in a box

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of grapes for them on my way out and had

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them there, and I asked, do you need me to

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leave the fruit for you? And if you've remember heard

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the sasquats laugh, it's it's worthwhile, especially when it's nine

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foot three inch. Stall got a chest like, oh, you

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can't believe his shoulders are like fifty four inches across.

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He's saying, to imagine what his chest looks like. And

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it's just a big rumble. And he says, have you

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looked at the river? And I, oh, okay, you could

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walk across the river on the salmon that we're in it. So, no,

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they weren't hurting for food right then he said, perhaps

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if you brought them in the time of the white stuff.

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I said, okay, I can do that. I can do that.

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So I said it would it be just as well

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that I went home now and came back another day.

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He's yes, that would probably be good. So that's what

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I did. I packed everything up, put my chair away,

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put my ice chest away, put my candle away, and

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I had one foot in the car. I had my

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right foot under the steering wheel, sitting down in the

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driver's seat. And he stood up across me, across the

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little road there, about twelve feet from me, and I

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wanted you to see me before you left, to know

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the numbreel, and I'll contact you later on. I said, okay,

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we can do that, and he'd been He just disappeared

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right about it in there and standing right in front

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of me, and his head had just reached a major crossband.

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There was a little hawthorn tree there and he was

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standing right under it, and his tree had just reached

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a major branch of that tree. So I was majored

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dad just to see. And he's nine foot three inches tall.

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And I named that hawthorn tree Nathaniel, But you know

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what else are you going to name a hawthorn? Right?

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And so he left. I left, and a few days

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later I got a cold. Can you come out anytime soon?

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I say, you can come out anytime you want me

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to tomorrow. Then, so I went out and the gate

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was shut. Who was midweek and the gate was shut

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into that road right at the end of that property.

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There's nobody there is. It's a big, wide open area.

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I parked there and walked up the road in the

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the ways and looked up on the hill. There he is.

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And he has his daughter with him at this time,

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and she's red body, her whole body is red hair,

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and she's hiding behind Dad, peeking around his leg. He's

455
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at me. He's probably seven or eight years old at

456
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:43.359
the time, and he said, I know you have some

457
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:48.119
concerns about you. What were you're you're learning from us

458
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:53.599
and your priesthood that you hold. He says, no, this

459
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:58.319
we have the same creator, We serve the same creator.

460
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:01.720
And I asked, well, what about Christ do you know

461
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:07.119
about question? Yes, Christ is the savior for mankind, not

462
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.880
for us. And the next question, I asked, well do

463
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.880
you have a savior? And the answer is when I

464
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.640
hear a lot from them that's not for you to know.

465
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.920
At this time, what he's conveyed was he'd like to

466
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.440
have me be their scribe. And that's why I've written

467
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.160
fifteen books over the next twelve years.

468
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:35.119
That is absolutely incredible. So the books that you've been writing.

469
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.480
You're saying, they've been telling you to write down things

470
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.599
in these books.

471
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:46.279
Yes, he quite often will make sure that I know

472
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:50.559
something so I can write about it, and I write

473
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:57.079
in two different ways. Some of them like Sasquatch of Truth,

474
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.119
twenty one Days to Destiny, Sasquat Search for a New Man,

475
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.359
Sasquatch Face to Pace, those are all one hundred percent

476
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:13.000
true facts. They're nonfiction. Others like Martie's Story After Armageddon,

477
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:24.599
the other four they're novels, but they have story, you know,

478
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.720
facts about Sasquatch in them. And what I do here,

479
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:32.200
I do this so that the haters can't hate. If

480
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.880
I want to tell something really critical or important about them,

481
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.839
I'll include it in a novel. Then when somebody attached

482
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.599
me about hey, it's a novel, they can't argue. It

483
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.039
frustrates the daylights out of them. And I love that.

484
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:54.799
But to anybody to whom it's important, those those things

485
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:59.759
dealing with Sasquatch and those books are one hundred percent true.

486
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.400
So I mean one hundred percent true in my vision.

487
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.279
You got to remember, we all see things in light

488
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:10.319
of our own history.

489
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:12.640
Okay, absolutely, So.

490
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.000
What I see may not be what somebody else will see.

491
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.880
I don't know. It's just how I see it. That's

492
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:24.519
how I related. And you know, I don't tell untruth.

493
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:30.240
I don't. I don't make make up stories. But other

494
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:34.400
people may have had different experiences. That's all right.

495
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:39.880
Yes, that that first interaction with your teachers is very,

496
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.359
very interesting, and it's just there's a lot to learn

497
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:55.480
from that. Just a random question. Do you know how

498
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.599
many toes that they had?

499
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.759
Oh? Some, most have five, some have six, and I've

500
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:04.000
even seen some with four.

501
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.640
Okay, so you have seen actual ones that have four.

502
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:10.400
Absolutely.

503
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:15.559
So I've interviewed people for a few years now in

504
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.480
the subject, and something that will come up, and I'm

505
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.079
curious about your thoughts on it is there are certain

506
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.839
parts of the US, like southeast Alaska, where if there's

507
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:32.519
four toad sasquatch, that can lead to some really you know,

508
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:37.519
interesting interactions. Have you found that the number of toes,

509
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.880
if there's a four toad sasquatch, that things can you know,

510
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.240
turn south pretty quick?

511
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:47.279
Or No. I sat with a group that had all three,

512
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.160
some had four, some had most had five, and a

513
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:55.559
few had six. And that was in uh and Prince

514
00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:01.200
of Wales Island, Alaska. Okay, okay, but eighteen of them

515
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:09.320
at a funeral. Yeah, and that they had, you know, varying,

516
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:16.559
It just varies. I find that most negative interactions, actually,

517
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.159
I find that all negative interactions are caused by the

518
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.599
human being in the interaction. There's a lack of respect

519
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:31.480
there somewhere that creates a problem. Okay. The last thing

520
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.519
that a species like them would want to do, who

521
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:40.960
are trying to stay hidden, is to attack the dominant

522
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:47.239
species in the in the bio. They will do not

523
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.599
want to be brought to attention, Okay, but they can be.

524
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:59.480
You can do things wrong. Also, in my book of Sasquatch,

525
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:03.840
based as a compilation of thirty two face to pace

526
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:08.360
encounters across the country, and you wouldn't believe how many

527
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:12.639
of them expressed how frightened they were fighting further alive.

528
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.440
They could absolutely couldn't move, they were so scared, and

529
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.719
all of us didn't were standing there looking at them.

530
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:26.119
Your mind gets out of control, Okay, your mind does

531
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:30.760
strange things to you. Back in twenty fourteen, I was

532
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.800
driving back into camp. We were camped in northern California

533
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:41.159
on Blue Creek, which is next Ridge over from Bluff

534
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:45.199
Creek where Bob and Roger had got their film, and

535
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.679
I was right at the head about Buff Creek coming

536
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:50.079
back to town. I had to go to town to

537
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:57.400
get the gas for my tent heater. And at Malefuls fourteen,

538
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:01.440
right at the head of Bluff Creek on the go road,

539
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:03.880
I came around the corner and there's two of them

540
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.360
standing right square in the middle of the road. By

541
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.960
the time I got my car stopped, I was not

542
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:12.239
more than twenty feet from them, and I had two

543
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.239
people in the car with me. The lady in the

544
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.199
passenger seat was from England and she'd come over just

545
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:25.679
for that outing, and Narla was in the back seat.

546
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:31.000
And the first thing that Jackie did when she saw them.

547
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.840
This is Jackie talks. I've talked to Jackie three to

548
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.639
four years ago about this. Oh yeah, right ahead, Okay,

549
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:38.559
this is interesting.

550
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:47.039
Yeah, yeah, because it's the most exciting, illustrated, illustrative mind

551
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.880
thing that I've ever seen. But she just yelled out

552
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:57.079
as loud as she could, I need to rattle the car.

553
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:02.360
They turned and two steps, they were three quarters to

554
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.440
seven eighths across the road. They turned went back across

555
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.480
the road, across the shoulder and down the bank in

556
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:15.679
two steps. As they disappeared, one of them said, I'm

557
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.280
the one you know is Patty. This is my son,

558
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:25.400
and I said, wow, yea, thats that's pretty cool. But

559
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.480
Jackie was totally knew though they were sasquatched in the

560
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.920
thirty and the pardon me, we were a mile post

561
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.800
fourteen and the twenty miles back to our camp. She

562
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.920
had convinced herself that she had not seen two sasquats

563
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:44.400
down in the road, she had seen two Mexican drug

564
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:53.960
mules wearing long haired gilli suits, backpacks, wearing flipflops. Why

565
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.960
because her mind didn't know what sabsquatch was, but it

566
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:01.039
knew what Mexican drug meals were. It didn't know what

567
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.360
Harry's body was, but it knew what a gillieshuit was,

568
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.719
and didn't know what a humped shoulder was, but knew

569
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:13.360
what a rucksack was, and didn't know what Ausmann pads

570
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:19.199
were on the feet, but knew what flip flops were.

571
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.800
So she just rationalized all this back into that's what

572
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.559
it had to be. And it was probably two or

573
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:32.039
three days later Arliss's Jackie do you realize you've traveled

574
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.320
six thousand miles to see what you saw, and now

575
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:39.320
your mind's not letting you see it. And that got

576
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.719
her started thinking, and by the time we got back

577
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.840
to the airport in Portland, she had straightened it all

578
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.440
out and understand and understood what her mind had done

579
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.639
to her and understood what she had actually seen. But

580
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:56.480
that was so so fascinating to watch happened. It was unreal.

581
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.400
That is incredible to hear that side of the story.

582
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.239
Thank you Tom for bringing that up. That's that is

583
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:06.719
really really cool, because it's been a long time since

584
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:11.199
I've been able to talk to her. I did want

585
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.159
to before we get too far away from it. So

586
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.679
when I was talking about Southeast Alaska, I was actually

587
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:19.920
referring to Prince of Wales Island. I just didn't come

588
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.320
out and say it. But I'm curious, So did you

589
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.679
you went up there to go look for sasquatch or

590
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:27.239
how did that?

591
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:27.480
Oh?

592
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:28.280
No, trip go.

593
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.119
I went up to salmon fishing, and after three days

594
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.280
I'd caught so many salmon that I was tired of

595
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.840
salmon vision and I just took oh, I took my

596
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.400
gold pan and headed up into the hills looking first

597
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.760
streamed pan to work my pan, and there was a

598
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:51.239
creek and I wanted to do that, And it turned

599
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:55.320
out that that the creek I wanted to work on

600
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.800
came out of a lake, so that kind of missed

601
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:04.199
that up for me. And so I just was out

602
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:09.480
wandering around and came on this group of sasquatch and

603
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.360
they asked me if I wanted to join with them.

604
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:16.800
Is you got to understand when one knows something, they

605
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:20.719
all know it. So wheneverherever I go, they know who

606
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:25.039
I am, and I don't have to I don't have

607
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:26.639
to wait for them at all.

608
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.159
Can you describe how those sasquatch looked like that you

609
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:34.840
saw on that island specifically?

610
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.119
Oh, just the same as any other buried in color

611
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:42.000
from There were no redwoods in that group, but there

612
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:46.159
were from white to black and everything in between, just

613
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.239
like they're just like our hair color varies, so does theirs.

614
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.920
And they were they were all of a size, you know,

615
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.559
they were much bigger than me. I was just looking

616
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:02.639
at them from somewhere between just above the navel to

617
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:09.840
the middle aged build a chest and heights. It's just

618
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.559
that's how it was. There were run of the mill,

619
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:16.920
And like I said, it was a burial ceremony that

620
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.920
they'd asked me to attend with them. And I was

621
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.719
with eighteen males and there were some females too. For

622
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.480
the ceremony, the males and females separated and one on

623
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.159
the one side and one on the other side.

624
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:33.119
What was your part in the ceremony? Was it just

625
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:34.679
to watch what was going on there?

626
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.800
Just to watch?

627
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.039
Did you get any feeling as to if it was

628
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.079
a natural death or if if something.

629
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.800
That was natural? Okay, it was natural? Yeah, And you

630
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.519
had to remember not like state of Washington, there's about

631
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:58.679
three hundred in the state of Washington, seventy two thousand

632
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:03.119
square miles. They live about one hundred years nominally unless

633
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:07.960
an accident happens, but their age is about one hundred years. Now,

634
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.360
that means that in the state of Washington, in those

635
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.840
seventy two thousand square miles, there will be three deaths

636
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.840
a year. Does that answer your way? You don't find

637
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:19.280
a body?

638
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.360
Yeah, I definitely would would make it a lot more sense.

639
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.320
So are they actually burying them like we do, you know,

640
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.719
digging a hole in the ground and.

641
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.440
They're all the way down? Yeah, way down and you wouldn't.

642
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.639
I know what they look like, so I know what

643
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.159
to look for, but you would never believe it was

644
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:47.840
a grave if you found one. Yeah, they'll transport transfer trees,

645
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:53.920
transplant trees a foot and a half in diameter over

646
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.239
the top of the grave any the year. You'll never

647
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:01.719
know that they hadn't lived there forever. And yeah, admit,

648
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:03.840
you'll never find it their graves.

649
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.920
How far down are they usually having to dig.

650
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:11.480
From anywhere from four feet to twenty feet depending on

651
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:12.039
the soil.

652
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.760
Does is the tree? Does a tree act as a

653
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.159
sort of sort of marker? Do they have like a

654
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.360
marker that honors that like we do?

655
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.159
They'll put a big rock there for that, Yeah, I

656
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:29.559
think that's the purpose of that. But they'll plant, you know,

657
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.960
two or three trees just to disguise it as what

658
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:33.960
that's for.

659
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:37.000
Very interesting.

660
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:42.559
What are your thoughts on There's there's a whole, a

661
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.840
whole lot in the community in the last few years

662
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.239
of tree structures and axes and is that a thing

663
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.760
that you would ever notice in your research going far?

664
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:54.679
Absolutely?

665
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:55.320
Okay.

666
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:01.239
My partners and I did it a five year study

667
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:08.840
on their glyphs and their their uh structures. We did

668
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.559
it in BC, and one of one of my partners

669
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.360
lived in BC and had a great place to do it,

670
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:20.880
and so that's where we did the study. Uh and uh. Yes,

671
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:26.199
they very definitely are are. They're a way of communication,

672
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:31.800
most of the glyphs, and it's mostly between them. If

673
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.639
the glyph is for you, you'll have no fun, no

674
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.039
trouble in understand it. You may have you may have

675
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:41.280
to think about it a little bit, but you'll have

676
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:44.800
no trouble in understanding it. If it's not for you, you're

677
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:49.800
reading somebody else's mail. And that's difficult to do because

678
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.840
I mean, just look at English and take the word

679
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:56.679
b O W and tell me what it means. You know,

680
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.960
it could be a ribbon in your hair. It could

681
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.719
be a bend at the waist. It could be the

682
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.480
front end of a ship. It can be something to

683
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.639
loan scenario with all of them the same word. Right.

684
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:14.000
It's all about context, that is.

685
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.840
It's all about context. And if you don't if it's

686
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.360
not for you, you don't know the context, so it's

687
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:26.199
impossible to know the meaning. Okay, One thing I will

688
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:33.239
tell you, there are general signs that generally mean a

689
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:39.519
specific area thought. The access almost always a welcome, welcome,

690
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:45.519
a friendship sign. The asterisk is a power sign, power symbol,

691
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.400
you know, so those are pretty common. You find a

692
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:56.559
lot of both of those. And when you find an

693
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:59.440
asterisk that's tied in the center, and I've got a

694
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:05.559
few of those, you know, that puts a special emphasis

695
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:10.039
on it. That's a very special spot.

696
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.639
On your website. I saw that it makes mention of

697
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:23.440
a c upcoming expedition, and it also makes mention of

698
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:27.679
a prior expedition back in twenty fourteen, right at the

699
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.320
Go Road, specifically Elk Meadows, and that it was a

700
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.320
very interesting expedition. Would you be able to share maybe

701
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.760
a little bit about what happened on that expedition.

702
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.119
Part of that. I already told you the deal Checkie

703
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:42.760
happened on.

704
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:47.159
That way, So that's the same thing, Okay, perfect, great, Yeah, okay,

705
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:48.719
I was curious.

706
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:53.960
Yeah, And oh my heavens, we saw had five sasquatch

707
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.960
sightings right in camp, the two on the road. We

708
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.639
had them in the lamp all night long, every night.

709
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:11.159
That camp is where the term Sashquat pinnata came from. Kathy,

710
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:15.760
one of the people there, she likes to put her

711
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:18.599
tent away from everybody else so that the young ones

712
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.960
will come play with their candid night and she talks

713
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:26.280
to him, has a great time. About the third morning,

714
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.599
she came to the fire and her eyes like like

715
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:33.400
two burnholes in a blanket. She had any sleep at all,

716
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.280
you know. And Arla says, you know, what's the matter,

717
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.280
Kathy aren't getting any sleep? She says, no, they won't

718
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.039
let me sleep. I you know, you know, I try

719
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.719
to get to sleep and they pope me through the tent.

720
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.599
She said, just Kat sleep at all. Well, she says,

721
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.400
tell them that that you need your sleep and leave

722
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:57.519
you alone tonight. He said, can I do that? Arlie said,

723
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:02.000
sure you can't because she's okay, okay, guys, listen up.

724
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.880
You leave me alone tonight. Go play with Nancy. Poor Nancy. Uh.

725
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.199
She and her husband Russ were down at the other

726
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:16.519
end of the meadow and they slept in on hammocks,

727
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.239
and those little guys they'd run by, and they'd as

728
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.239
they ran by, they'd pop them on the butt in

729
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.679
the hammock. And that's where that's where the terms I

730
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:33.880
squatched Prignotta came from another thing that all happened. Oh jeezu.

731
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.679
We had him all around the camp. Kathy was walking

732
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.639
back to her tent from She and I sat up

733
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.000
late one night talking. She's been a good friend for

734
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:50.000
so many years. And I had gone to bed, I'd

735
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.760
headed for my tent, and she made sure the fire

736
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:56.760
was down in good shape, that there was wood there

737
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.400
for the morning. Was it was late. It was after

738
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.519
eleven o'clock and usually I'm in bed by eight eight

739
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:08.119
point thirty. And she's walking back to her tent and

740
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.239
walks right face to face into one I mean six

741
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:16.239
eight feet and it just froze her in place, absolutely

742
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.079
frozer in place. You've got to remember, this is a

743
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:26.000
safety factory. They do that because then they can get

744
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:31.000
away and you don't don't go running off running a

745
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.440
mark across the field or something like. Where we were

746
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.599
there there were trenches all over the place and you

747
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.199
could run off into one of those that kill yourself.

748
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:45.960
And so it kept her still. Well. They moved outout

749
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:51.840
a position and then I'm in my tent and you're

750
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:57.519
tib tib, come here and help me. I need you,

751
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.800
so okay, Kath, yeah me read. Let me put my

752
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.679
pants bag on because I was just getting in bed.

753
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.719
I'd already gotten taken my medications for the evening and

754
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:14.760
was just just laying down on my bed and got

755
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.199
back up, pulled my pants all night, didn't put the

756
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:20.599
bitch shoes on. And it's cold. I mean, we're fifty

757
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:24.039
five hundred six thousand feet elevation in mid June. It's

758
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.440
cold that night. And I get over there and here

759
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.800
she has been over That's what happened, ken, She's I

760
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.199
don't know. All I saw was a great, bigger redwood

761
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:41.480
log standing up right, said. I couldn't see above his waist,

762
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:45.519
but I saw these two big redwood lugs. And I

763
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:48.400
looked up and he was back behind it by a tree.

764
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.159
There's a porter from senior tree that grew just behind

765
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.400
her tent, and he was standing there with that. And

766
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.519
the funny thing is they were apologizing to one another,

767
00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.039
and neither one was to the other one, and it

768
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:07.079
was so funny. And I advised told him. I says, okay, brother,

769
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.840
I've got her. You can let her go. Now, you

770
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.800
can release her. I'll make sure she doesn't run them up.

771
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:15.960
And he did, and I told her, I just grab

772
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.440
you a cap and throw out my tent and stay

773
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:22.840
there tonight, and you know that that bothered her though

774
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.519
for quite a while. It's just been the last couple

775
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:29.119
of years now that she's pretty much returned to normal

776
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:33.400
and able to face him again. Now she didn't realize

777
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:37.000
what they'd done or why they'd done it. She knew

778
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:38.920
what they'd done, but not why they've done it. And

779
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:41.719
actually she found that out. She's a little bit better

780
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:44.960
with it, and she's back pretty much of normal now,

781
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.960
well normal for Kathy anyway. But yeah, that's just a

782
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.280
few of the things that have happened here. I wrote

783
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:57.960
what four or five different essays on things that happened

784
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.599
in that twenty fourteen camp, and what I want to

785
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:06.199
do in twenty and twenty twenty five is returned there

786
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.719
and I want to make this the event of the

787
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:17.079
decade of the twenty twenties, things that nobody's ever done

788
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.559
before on a camp out there. I will have to

789
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:28.760
limit the people that come, but we're going to have

790
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:33.760
a presentation every day by one person or another. We're

791
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:41.679
going to do a expedition into the Patterson Givenlan film site,

792
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:49.159
probably an overnighter. We will have several different interest groups formed.

793
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:54.440
There'll be one interest group headed by somebody that's will

794
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:58.360
knowledge in Sasquatch. There'll be another interest group headed by

795
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:02.760
somebody that's will informed. On RBS. There'll be another one

796
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:07.400
maybe owned little people, maybe on ets. And we haven't

797
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:13.199
decided that. We haven't meet a planning meeting coming up

798
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:17.400
after our camp out in the Blue Mountains this week,

799
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:21.280
So next week or two we'll plan that and get

800
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:27.320
things decided, end up and figured out. But it's on

801
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:31.000
my website, and my website is easy to find. It's

802
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:35.480
just my name dot com, Tomcantrall dot com. And the

803
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.880
reason I did that is I started out when I

804
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.039
first had a website, I used my first book name

805
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.719
go through Ruby Ridge dot com. But by the time

806
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.159
I'd written ten books, the name of my website was

807
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:49.039
too long to handle anymore.

808
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:51.360
Gotcha.

809
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.719
It sounds like a really interesting, fun time and I'll

810
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:58.639
definitely have the link to that in the show notes

811
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:03.639
for this. Okay, thank you, Tom, Have you ever well?

812
00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:06.079
So there's a question I asked a lot of times,

813
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.440
and I think I already know the answer because of

814
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.280
how your accounts have been so far. I'm just going

815
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.159
to ask it though. Has there ever been a time

816
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:17.840
when you're in the woods there's been sasquatch involved where

817
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.880
things just get really intense and you're like, I don't

818
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.079
want to be in this situation right now. I'd rather

819
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:25.840
be out of this situation.

820
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.320
Yes, okay, oh, yes, that's happened. And usually it's because

821
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.840
I've gotten somewhere where I shouldn't be. Okay, and usually

822
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:39.559
that involves a mother and a child. But I solved it.

823
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.239
I just left, Okay, And don't try to push them.

824
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:47.639
I don't care what species you're talking about. A mother

825
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:54.360
is going to protect your childern and with any means possible. Also,

826
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.960
juvenile or adolescent males. Nobody, it's in more trouble and

827
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:05.719
in each species than adolescent males. Okay. They do the

828
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:12.559
weirdest things. There's no there's no accounting for them. Okay,

829
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:16.760
And uh, that's it's it's a terrible thing. But just leave.

830
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:21.119
Say hey, I don't want to disturb you. Talk to them.

831
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:26.599
Please talk to them. They'll understand you. And just say hey,

832
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:28.559
I don't want to disturb you, I don't want any trouble.

833
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.599
I'll just leave now and come back later. There's no

834
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:38.079
no problem. You know, we're in their home. What would

835
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.639
you do if somebody came in your home right and

836
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:41.639
started out?

837
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:45.760
Okay, was that in the Pacific Northwest that that happened?

838
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:48.639
Oh, I've had that happen in Georgia. I've had it

839
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:51.960
happen in Oklahoma. Had it happen in Alaska, I've had

840
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:57.480
a pc everywhere. It's the same thing. Yeah.

841
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.639
I wanted to ask you about a specific place, just something,

842
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:04.079
a place that's kept coming up a few times from

843
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:08.159
different people. Is have you heard anything about Spirit Lake

844
00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.760
in Ore again in the Wilamotte National Forest.

845
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:13.199
Oh?

846
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:17.480
Yeah, is there anything you can share about that area.

847
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.559
I'm not that familiar with it. I've just heard stories about.

848
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.519
Yeah, so you have not been, you have heard sasquatch

849
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:27.000
experiences from that area?

850
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.239
Oh? Yes, yes, Oh wow.

851
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.519
I've heard some pretty intense things from people that are

852
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.239
not researchers, that are not you know, in quotations bigfoot people,

853
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:44.800
but they have been in that area doing nature things

854
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:50.239
and they've run into these creatures. So I think that

855
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:55.199
area in the wilama is a very active area just

856
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:56.039
from from.

857
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.039
Entire while I am at National for US exactly if

858
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:04.239
I've been and other places in there and just had

859
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:08.559
great great, great, great things happened. That's where I had

860
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:16.000
my first heating experience. Was it was the south southwest

861
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:22.719
of Mount Hood in the Alignment National Forest, and we

862
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:32.719
were in camp with Jeff Rohn and Jim Unt don't

863
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.800
get older now, whether right, yeah, but some of the

864
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:42.559
old oregans as watch people, Autumn Williams, that old group wow.

865
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.800
And there are about ten or twelve of us in

866
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:52.239
camp there and my partner, research partner, Sue, and I

867
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:56.559
were invited to join him. And I was feeling, Oh,

868
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.840
I was terrible. My heart was out of sink and

869
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:08.880
and it was absolutely absolutely out of this world. Hurry man.

870
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:15.000
I could barely breathe, I could, I could barely do anything.

871
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:19.360
And Jim, Jim Toman told Jeff, he says, I don't

872
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.599
think we're going to see tom here tomorrow. And I wasn't.

873
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.079
I was headed back to town to head to a doctor.

874
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:28.920
And that night and so i'd like the second or

875
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:33.039
third night in camp. So I squatch had been around

876
00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:36.440
our cans all that long. I mean, I had, you know,

877
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:42.159
footprints sixteen inches long right next to my camp. And

878
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.760
on this particular night, I woke up just before daylight

879
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:51.960
and there was a buzzing sound, and Sue was awake.

880
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.079
She's where's that buzzing sound coming from? I said, right

881
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.880
out of my chest, And it was if you point

882
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:02.039
to points your finger right below your sternum, right at

883
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:04.880
the base of the sternum, that's where I was coming from.

884
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.000
As a matter of fact, it burned the spot in

885
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.280
my skin, and I've got pictures of it. I've posted

886
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:13.400
pictures of it, of that burned spot. And it stayed

887
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.159
for actually stayed for a couple of years before finally

888
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:23.840
went away. And it was just a sound, and I

889
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.880
thought it went for fifteen or twenty minutes before it stopped.

890
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.360
Two got up. She looked outside the tent, but didn't

891
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.239
see anything. She never went outside. She did look, I

892
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.760
found out later she said, no, no, that was been

893
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.719
going on for two or three hours. And what it

894
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.760
did it reset my heart. My heart is in u

895
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:51.639
as in fibrillation all the time, one hundred percent of

896
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:54.519
the time. But it made it so it was in

897
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:59.480
rhythm again, and they did at that time. They did

898
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:01.719
it one more time in a camp later on up

899
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:05.880
in northern Idaho. They treated it again, and that happened

900
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:12.880
first time in the Land of the lamit. Wow.

901
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:18.920
Uh, that's incredible. I mean, that's that's amazing that that

902
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.199
was able to happen. And it's definitely a good thing

903
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:22.920
it was able to happen as well.

904
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:27.199
They've kept me alive, they really have exactly.

905
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:31.000
I just just this last week, I had a siege

906
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.159
that hit me. I called for help from my teacher

907
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.039
and it just went away, just like you snapped your fingers.

908
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:38.960
Wow.

909
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.159
The last three days, my blood creature has been way

910
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:47.599
high all at once. I asked him for help and

911
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:54.239
just weren't as normal. So yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be

912
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:57.559
alive now if it weren't for them.

913
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.400
That's extremely interesting. So you've mentioned you've been all over

914
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:07.360
the US looking for sasquatch, which is incredible. Over the years,

915
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.280
did you ever were you ever able to go down

916
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:11.599
to Southeast Oklahoma?

917
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.559
Oh? Yes, yeah, yeah. I spoke of the Honaby conference

918
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:20.719
there a couple of different years, and Allah lives in

919
01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:25.639
southeast Oklahoma, Okay, and yeah, so that's one of my

920
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:30.880
favorite areas because they're all over down there. But one

921
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:35.599
of my favorite occurrences happened in Georgia at our camp there. Okay,

922
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:40.039
we're west of Atlanta, only about eight or ten miles

923
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:48.400
from the Alabama line, and we're in camp eighteen of

924
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.639
us around the campfire, and two of them come and

925
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:57.079
stood right behind me at the campfire. So I tell people,

926
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.239
if anybody wants to go that one a liar got

927
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:04.119
to call eighteen people a wire, including the Georgia Superior

928
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:05.519
Court judge.

929
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:06.960
Who was there.

930
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:14.199
Yeah, oh wow, yep. And they they turned and walked

931
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:18.599
back in the brush. Paula Keith Bearden.

932
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.199
I've been trying to talk to Keith for a long time.

933
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:26.159
Yep. Oh, if you do tell him, I said, I

934
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:29.239
sent you, all right, he'll talk to all right, Uh,

935
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:35.199
good friend. And two other people anyway, oh h Jonathan

936
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:39.159
Goebels and a young young man I can't remember his name,

937
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:44.559
Jack Jack. And they took off and walked back in

938
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:46.440
the brush fall. And there was a third one back

939
01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:50.519
there that wouldn't come out, but I did add two

940
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.719
of them stand right behind me his campfire. I looked

941
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:59.920
up over my back backwards, upside upside down, sasquats look

942
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:07.800
yeah and yeah, but all all everybody there, so.

943
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:12.360
All m tom At.

944
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.920
You know, over the years that you were your researching,

945
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:21.199
were you at any point able to get evidence, like,

946
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:25.239
did you ever cast footprints or trying to get photo

947
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:27.920
evidence or audio recordings or anything.

948
01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:33.880
No, I never tried the photos and audio. But yeah,

949
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:37.960
I cast enough footprints admarrage full of them and finally

950
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:45.199
gave them all away. And now I've been working working

951
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:54.320
on just things. I'm sure I just did a presentation

952
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:58.840
or put together a PowerPoint and we're going to do

953
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:03.880
the the resentation on it online here sometime the next

954
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:10.599
week or two on absolute scientific proof of not only

955
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:16.079
their existence but the veracity of the patters. Medium Lunfeld.

956
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:22.639
It's a very simple system and it's called in thememberable

957
01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:26.920
in days. It's just something that's taught in every anatomy

958
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.039
class and in the country. And what it is is

959
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:32.159
the ratio of your arm link to your leg link.

960
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.599
In US, that ratio is seventy two. Our arms are

961
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:44.559
seventy two percent of the length of our legs. In

962
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:48.360
chimpanzees it's one hundred and five. Their arms are just

963
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:52.280
slightly longer than their legs. In gorillas it's one hundred

964
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:58.440
and twenty two. They're substantially longer than their legs sasquatch,

965
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:03.639
If you ever worked at frame three fifty four where

966
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:08.800
she's looking back and her arms extended. Okay, you can

967
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:12.880
tell the arms are longer right there. And remember decks

968
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.960
is eighty four. And if you ever want to, if

969
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:22.199
you ever want to check the veracity of a photograph,

970
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:27.559
check the intermemberble index on it. Everything in UTV puts

971
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:35.559
out is seventy two. It's all human. The Bob Heronymous

972
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:42.960
suit seventy two, who was at Leroy Blevins, who said

973
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:48.559
he he debunked the Patterson Gimman Thulm entirely and they

974
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:53.119
learned how to walk and all of that. And do

975
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.960
the intermember index it's seventy two. Do it on Patty

976
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:03.239
it's eighty four. Do it on the fourth of July

977
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:05.679
footage it's eighty four.

978
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:07.159
Okay, do it.

979
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:13.239
Do it on the Marble Mountain footage it's eighty four.

980
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:14.079
Is it really?

981
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:20.360
Do it on on Paul Freeman's eighty four?

982
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:22.440
Is it really? Okay? Wow?

983
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:29.320
Yep. Do it on Tom Seward's stuff that he posted

984
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:34.760
with seventy two. Do it on Todd Standings it's seventy two.

985
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:39.400
Gotcha, Okay, that's incredible.

986
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.000
Yeah, So that's all you have to do. I have

987
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:49.519
in March seventy two. So I've got what I've done

988
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:53.239
is I've taken testimony of experts on the Patterson given

989
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:59.559
on film, starting with John Chambers and doctor Leams and

990
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:08.800
doctor Andrew Nelson, Uh, Jeff Jeff Melberm and Bill Muns.

991
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:11.840
I don't know how much bills you've done, but that

992
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.760
man has got the best best in the world at

993
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:19.960
proving it. And uh read his book When Roger Met

994
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:24.559
Patty and look at his you as a YouTube site,

995
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:29.239
Bill Mun's reports. When you get done there, there's no

996
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:32.760
way that you can even consider that it's anything but

997
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:36.039
the real thing. And people who were still arguing that

998
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:39.639
there's a fake just have no idea what they're talking about.

999
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:43.920
They had. They're not listening to people that know about it.

1000
01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:48.800
They're listening to their brother in law. You know, even

1001
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:54.000
Peter Brooke, who's who ran Jim Henson Creature Shop. Can

1002
01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:59.039
you think he doesn't know something about making costumes? Absolutely,

1003
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:02.920
he said, And he said it could not possibly be

1004
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:06.199
a suit or as impossible to make a suit like

1005
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:11.239
that in nineteen sixty seven. So yeah, all of these

1006
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:11.960
things count.

1007
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:17.439
Yeah, Tom, I really appreciate your time today. I have

1008
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:21.520
one more question for you before the end of your time.

1009
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:28.399
I feel like there's a in the community, like I

1010
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:29.960
hear a lot of things. I talk to a lot

1011
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:33.319
of people, and there seems to be start of a

1012
01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:40.279
focus on let's capture a type specimen, but let's try

1013
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:44.760
to pretty much put it on the slab to be blunt.

1014
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:47.920
And I try to talk people out of that just

1015
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.600
for safety reasons.

1016
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:56.680
Please do There's no reason for it, none whatsoever. All

1017
01:08:56.760 --> 01:09:01.439
people who want or demanding proof want is to satisfy

1018
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:04.640
their own This will show the people will have been

1019
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:08.439
told me, no, that's not what this is about. And

1020
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:10.800
the last thing I ever want to do is to

1021
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:14.359
have the government having them proven to the point that

1022
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:19.159
the government tries to take control. Look at our government's

1023
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:24.439
track record with indigenous people and tell me how you

1024
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.600
want them to. First of all, they try to put

1025
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:29.640
them all in one place, and you can imagine that

1026
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:37.760
was sassquatch. That's just not going to no, no, but

1027
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:43.159
an even worst picture, everybody's going to be wanting everything

1028
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:50.199
shut down, no logging whatsoever, nobody in the forest. Because

1029
01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:53.119
they're endangered. How do you know they're in dangered. They're

1030
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:58.840
not dangered, we're endangered. They control their population very well.

1031
01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:04.880
I could give you examples of that and how they

1032
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:08.960
do it, but that's not the point. The point is

1033
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.680
there is no need for proof. Now they're coming forward.

1034
01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:17.319
They want want more contact, but they're choosing who they

1035
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:21.760
want contact with, and they don't want contact with your

1036
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:25.439
brother in law. They want contact with people they can

1037
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:30.960
work with. And that's number one. Lose your fear. Fear

1038
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:35.760
is one emotion they cannot work through, So lose your fear.

1039
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:43.760
Number two, clear your heart. Be in respect. Yeah, you

1040
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:45.720
got to be a pure heart, and you have to

1041
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:54.439
be in respect. There is nothing that replaces respect. Okay,

1042
01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:57.840
if you do those things, then you have a very

1043
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:02.520
good chance of having one walk up and say you know, hi,

1044
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:06.000
I'm your teacher. Listen to me and we'll go far.

1045
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:15.359
That's that's great advice, and I hope that people listening

1046
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:18.359
to this take that to heart and definitely definitely think

1047
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:22.720
about that before they are going out. But Tom, this

1048
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:27.159
is this has been a very interesting discussion. Thank you

1049
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:30.239
for sharing everything you've learned over the years. I really

1050
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:32.199
appreciate being able to talk to you today.

1051
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.880
Well, thank you very much. I've had very very profound

1052
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:39.119
questions and it makes it very easy to do so,

1053
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:44.920
and my advice to people just that relax, be yourself,

1054
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:48.560
lose a fear. There's nothing to be fearful of. If

1055
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.520
you think you have aggressive sashquatch, I made you one

1056
01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:54.680
years old, call me. All comes down in front of you.

1057
01:11:55.319 --> 01:12:02.000
It's that simple. I've been there, done that, you know, okay,

1058
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:07.279
and my books and book pages down right now. I'm

1059
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:11.520
working on it again. But please look at my books

1060
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.359
that I've got to offer, and by one if you can.

1061
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:19.720
I live in Social Security and an assisted living place

1062
01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:22.520
and that's my that's my extra money. They take all

1063
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:26.640
my social Security money to pay for living here, and

1064
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:29.039
so that's the money I kind of get around on

1065
01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:32.680
and do things with. So if you can see your

1066
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.680
way for you to do it, buy a book. You'll

1067
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:37.800
enjoy it. I'll even sign it for you if you

1068
01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:44.199
buy it off a page. They're also available in Amazon

1069
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:48.000
to going by them there. But thank you very much

1070
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:49.960
for this. That's been absolutely fun.

1071
01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:54.720
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1072
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:58.000
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1073
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:01.800
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1074
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:04.640
seen something that no one can explain or if you're

1075
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:07.960
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1076
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.960
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

1077
01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:14.279
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

1078
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:18.000
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've

1079
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:21.119
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

1080
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:24.560
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

1081
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:27.880
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1082
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:32.239
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1083
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:35.399
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1084
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:38.920
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1085
01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:42.800
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1086
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:46.199
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1087
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.199
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1088
01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:52.720
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1089
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.520
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or

1090
01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:59.880
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1091
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:04.760
then I want to talk to you, Even if it's anonymous.

1092
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:10.079
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1093
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:12.920
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1094
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:18.880
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1095
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:23.119
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1096
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:26.000
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.

1097
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:28.479
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1098
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:31.680
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1099
01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:34.560
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1118
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