Martin Groves' Dogman Encounters of LBL and the Bigfoot Connection

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It was almost as if it was
grinning at me. It was feeding off

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my fear, and it would come
close and kind of back away, and

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we get closer, and the fear
level, it is almost as if it

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fed off of me. And as
it began to get closer, the only

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thing that I knew to do,
and this part's hard, but the only

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thing I knew to do was to
pray. And I began to pray hard.

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I'm looking at it and as I
began to pray, and I got

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two different parts in the prayer.
I shall, I shall fear in the

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evil thou art with me? And
I began to get strength, And as

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I got stronger, I felt that
I could move. Also, the other

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thing is I edit every episode for
three hours, so you're gonna see the

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behind the scenes. Big Foot Society
is gonna be a good time, but

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a lot of it might be edited
out. We'll see. So all right,

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Big Society, We've got a good
friend with me today. We've got

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mister Martin Gross from the LBL region
and we are live at Monsterfest. How

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are we doing? Guys? All
right? I'm pumped that you're all here.

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You could be other places. You
could be listening to Alex Petakoff.

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You could be watching the Texas dog
Man Triangle. And I give you the

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opportunity to leave at any time if
you would like to, but I appreciate

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you here. Okay, let's see
you quick look around the audience. No

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kids, so we are good.
So oh, just to heads up,

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we will be talking about the Land
between the Lakes, LBL, dog man

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stuff, big foot stuff. I
don't think it'll get you jasy, right,

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Martin, I'll keep it. We'll
keep it good, all right,

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but Jess aware, I like to
keep my stuff good for kids. You

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know how it is. But let's
start chatting. So Martin, Martin Groves

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is from the LBL area, and
I'm going to have him talk about himself

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for a little bit. But I
point out that he's got a table with

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hell Ben Haller and he has written
two books. First is Beasts between the

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Rivers and Beasts between the Rivers A
Trace of Death, both great books.

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We'll be talking about some stuff from
those today, but you want to make

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sure if you like what you hear, you can pick up a book from

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him at his table later. So
Martin, how are you doing? Man?

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I am super stoked to be here
with you today, and it has

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been a long time coming. Oh
absolutely, see you absolutely. Do you

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mind giving our listeners that are live
a little background about what you've done in

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the past that might be good for
our conversation today. Okay, it's really

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hard for me to speak of myself
because I'm very humble type person. Any

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anyone that you meet will tell you
that that I'm just an old country boy

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and a humble guy. But I
was privileged enough to take a job where

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I was trained in a career that
I received some really good training. Over

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course of thirty two years, I
served as a frontline uniform police officer,

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and I've been a patrol officer.
I've been a deputy sheriff. I've been

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an investigator and a detective in my
past. The last five years of my

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career I spent on the street as
a deputy sheriff. As I began to

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get older, I wanted to take
a step back and get a little more

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relaxed in my last few years,
which didn't work out very well. But

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as you can tell throughout this country, it's it's pretty tense time I've been

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trained, I guess about to do
anything in the police career from investigations to

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major and minor crimes. I've worked
thomicide, personal crimes, bank robberys,

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you name it. But my entire
focus of training for me personally when I

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become a police officer was because I
wanted to help people. That was my

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goal was to help people, not
hurt people, but help and protect.

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And that's something I think we're missing
today. But that's basically who I am.

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I spent my entire adult life as
a police officer since I was eighteen

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years of age. That's great,
and you can tell from you know.

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The great thing about this interview is
I can talk to you face to face.

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Yes, a lot of big Foot
Society interviews almost all of them are

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a crisis screens, right, So
it's very cool to be able to look

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into your eyes and I can tell
that you are one hundred percent genuine.

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It's it's very cool. From our
time talking earlier, one of the quotes

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from your book that I found interesting
was I too have seen monsters, and

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reading through your books, You've really
had some interesting things happened to you and

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some interesting people talk to you about
things. But I'm curious. I always

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like to find out what was the
one thing that first set you down the

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road to noticing that, Wow,
there's something weird going on in this area.

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What's this dog man thing? What's
this big foot thing? In nineteen

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ninety three, if you had spoken
to me and asked me about Bigfoot or

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dog man or any type of cryptid
or in humanoid creature that my rome,

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the world or America, I would
have laughed. I'm being honest, I

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would have laughed. As a child, I recall, my father had taken

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me to see the Patterson Gimblin film, and I was of the sound mind

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of it was one big foot and
her name was Patty, and she lived

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in California, and there wasn't anything
anywhere else, and that was it.

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But in nineteen ninety three I had
a experience that would totally change my life.

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Do you mind sharing about that experience? Yes, nineteen ninety three,

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I had been a police officer since
nineteen eighty and I had already been what

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I would call perhaps the rookie stage, and was what I would refer to

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as what we call each other as
a seasoned veteran on the street. And

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so I had seen a lot of
bad things in those periods of time and

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we had made a decision. One
of my co workers and I we worked

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midnight shifts together and an individual that
I will tell you his name is Harry,

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and that is out of respect for
him. He has now passed away.

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But Harry never wanted his story told
and he didn't want his family to

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be ridd killed in any manner.
So I have honored that. Unfortunately,

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most of the folks that I've worked
with and have known it didn't take them

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too long to figure out who Harry
was, since he was one of my

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best friends. And to tell the
story, I would like to tell you

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a little bit about Harry, not
about myself. Was not as a stronger

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man as Harry was. Harry was
kind of guy when you meet him,

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and you could tell by looking at
him he was one heck of a strong

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man and he had no fear,
zero fear. He had extremely His background

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was he was very religious, and
so he felt like that as long as

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God was with him, he had
no fear. On the street. I've

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seen him to do some of pretty
amazing things. There's a purpose of me

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telling you this, and you'll discover
why. But Harry and I we were

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some people would call some menace on
the street at nighttime. You have a

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riot, you call Harry or you
call for for Bubba, and we would

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go in take care of business and
it would be put to halt. And

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Harry was a certain kind of individual
that he would be extremely nice, but

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if he told you to do something, he minutes. So I paired up

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with him. We decided to go
into the land between the lakes and get

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some R and R and to spend
some downtime. We had worked some pretty

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horrific crimes that year that I remember
well, and so we wanted to do

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a primitive back what they call backcountry
cabin camping in the lamb between the lakes.

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I don't know how many folks that
are here have been inside land between

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the lakes, but for our area
this is the Yellowstone for Tennessee and Kentucky.

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I mean, of course it doesn't
can't compare to Yellowstone, but for

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us in this region, that is
Yellowstone. When you go into lbl it's

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pitch black darkness. There's no artificial
lights. You might get into the campgrounds,

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and there are a few campgrounds in
the edge of the lakes and you

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will see some electric light but generally
speaking, you're in an area of one

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hundred and seventy thousand acres and if
you put seven thousand more acres with that

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where the islands are that are that
surrounds the peninsula. It's the largest nsil

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in the United States, surrounded by
two rivers and man made legs. So

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there there, I've set you up
for the story and where we can go

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right into it. We went in
on a Friday evening. Harry and I

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had prepared ourselves to be just as
we were like Jeremiah Johnson or Daniel Bone.

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We had that thought of mine and
we had kerosene lamps. We did

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have a couple of small flashlights.
They were tiny, and so we used

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kerosene lamp and we went in,
picked us up a really cool camp capsite,

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got set up for the night.
The first night we went into the

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area, it was a Friday night
and really didn't have anything occur. There

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is one notation that I might make, and I something did occur that folks

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have told me later on. We're
looking at this story as present future and

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all of it wrapped up together.
During the night, I was awakened and

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it was pretty early in the morning
and I had a raccoon within our lean

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too that had reached over and was
touching my face, and so it was

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kind of cool and the same talking. It's like, you know, go

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on, get you something to eat. But I've had some Native Americans tell

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me that that was a very significant
thing that I bring to your attention.

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So the raccoon touched me on the
face and ended up extit in the area

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and left. Friday night went great
as awesome night. Everything was just kosher

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until the next day. The following
day was a Saturday, and we want

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our separate ways to do a turkey
hunt. And he stayed with Distal two

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account within a mile or two of
the campground of our camp, and I

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took off on a stretch that is
known as the Devil's Backbone. In nineteen

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ninety three, I didn't know what
the Devil's Backbone was, or what the

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history was of LBL and again pretty
ignorant to the thought of bigfoot sasquatch,

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harry Man the dog Man especially,
so when I extended my camp, I

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went turkey hunting, and that's what
I did best. I did. Forget

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to tell you guys that I've been
raised in the woods all my life,

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since I was about four years old, and so being in land between the

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lakes was nothing uncommon for me.
We had been in there since I was

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a child. We would deer and
turkey hunt and definitely go croppie fishing in

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the lakes. As I go along, I'm doing what I do best,

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and as looking for turkey sign and
looking for animal sign. And for the

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most of the day we have been
back now and I've measured it. But

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I traveled about eight miles that day, and as I went through the trails

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and the ridges of the Devil's Backbone, I began to get deeper into the

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woods and I noticed that there was
zero animal sound, sound or sign,

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And that should have been my first
heads up for me, but being young

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and full of vinegar, I just
took it in stride and just kept on

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rocking and going through my way.
In the late afternoon, something happened that

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it was very important to the story, and that is when I got tired.

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It was almost the late afternoon,
it wasn't quite dark yet. I

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came out of the woods and just
to take a break and sat down next

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to a log, and I heard
a vehicle coming and this was very odd.

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But I knew of an old logging
road that was not traveled very much,

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and I had a man of my
close to my age, and I

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was thirty two at the time.
And guy pulled up next to me and

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got out and we began to talk
and converse, and before I knew it,

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we realized that what we did for
a living. Do I have any

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firefighters in here, any police officers? There is a rivalry between firefighters and

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policemen. Every cop I've ever known
has said I always wanted to be a

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firefighter, and every firefighter always told
me, hey, I wanted to be

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a cop. So we got to
talk him back and forth, and I

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discovered that the gentleman was a firefighter
out of the state of Kentucky and had

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done this for many years. And
I explained to him what I did,

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and then we kind of kid it
and cut it up quite a bit because

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his name was Bubba. My name
is Bubba. So we went at it

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back and forth. You know,
who's going to be the real Bubba?

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And this that and the other.
And we talked for a while and he

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started making fun my weapon. I
was carrying a shotgun, and he said,

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you know, it's not quite fair
to be hunting turkey with a shotgun.

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I kind of looked at the guy. I said, hey, man,

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what do you mean by this?
Little did I know he was I

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was talking with a very proficient bow
hunter, and that's how he hunted his

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turkeys was an archery, and he
was very good, and he showed me

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that. We spent thirty to forty
five minutes talking and we shook hands,

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and we parted our ways, and
he told me where he worked, and

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he knew where I worked. I
told him. And little did I know

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when I parted and shook hands with
this gentleman that I very possibly and to

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my belief, after investigating it for
many years, I was possibly be the

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last man saw him alive that day. And I wish now that not only

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because when we parted, he left
me with a sentence. And I wish

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now that I had taken it a
little more serious, but I didn't.

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And he had told me, he
said, you know, not trying to

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scare you or anything, but I've
had something coming to my camp. And

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then he explained to me where his
camp was, and it was distal to

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my camp. I was only about
two miles from him very important in this

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in this story. We shook hands
and he said, you might keep your

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lantern or your fire going. I've
had something that will approach my camp.

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It walks in and it stays just
outside the firelight. And he said it

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kind of scared him, and so
he gave me warning to be careful at

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my camp. So party ways,
and I began to go back to hunting,

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and I thought I might catch something
on the way back. And I

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began to walk back to my camp
many miles. That's close to darkness,

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guys, and it's getting real dark. But I was very confident. I

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had been trained as a skilled as
combat man, tracking and urban and for

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settings for tracking man as well as
tracking beasts, any kind of dog cat

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you name it, dear bear.
And so I was confident in the woods.

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Over confident, I might say.
As I began to track back to

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my camp, things changed again.
There was no winsect noise, there was

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no animals anywhere to be found.
The first thing that happened to me was

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I had heard a rock what I
thought was two rocks being struck together with

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great force. And I wrote it
off because I thought, you know,

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I'm going back to camp it is
distal to my camp. It may be

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my hunting partner. And so I
just kept on trucking along through the woods

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and again, you know, no
worries. Then something hid that was so

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significant, and little did I know
at the time, in nineteen ninety three

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house significant it would be and how
it would be related to the Missing four

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one one series by David Politis.
I heard I heard a noise in the

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woods that I've never heard again.
I heard it twice that day. It

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was a metal screeching sound, as
if a huge metal door had opened and

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slammed. It was a noise that
did not belong into woods. And I

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knew the guy that I had spoken
to he had left, and I had

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traveled many miles from this log road
now, so that kind of bothered me,

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just for a moment, but it
still did not register. So I'm

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trucking back on game path. I'm
high up on hills and ridges on the

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Devil's Backbone, and as I travel, I began to see something in my

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peripheral vision. As I'm walking,
if I'm walking to camp towards that back

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wall, I saw something to the
right hand side of me. And for

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folks that don't has not been into
LBL. It is some of the dns

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DNSE foliage that you will ever see
in the woods. You're lucky to see

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fifteen to thirty yards with all the
green and the trees and the briars and

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such. But I'm seeing something to
the right of me, and it is

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seeming to parallel with me as I
walk. I've cawed, he hunted many

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times and been in many states,
so I just believed that it was probably

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a pack of calties. In the
lamb between the lakes region, you can

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see as many as thirty caldies in
one pack, and they have been known

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to get pretty close to hunters,
but they're really looking for something to eat.

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Maybe if you discard something and it's
you really don't get attacked. There

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has been some attacks. So I
wrote that off two guys, and there's

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a reason for me telling you that
I was just two lax, and I

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should have been paying closer to attention. So as I began to walk,

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these things began to get closer,
and I could tell that there was at

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least three, possibly four animals that
were quad pedal on all fours. And

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as I walked along, the first
real indicator that it was time to be

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scared or frightened is that as I
walked, they would walk. If I

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stopped or slowed down, they would
as well. That is not Caldy behavior.

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They might freeze for a second and
watch you. They won't stop right

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back up. This took place over
a period of and thirty to forty five

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minutes, and so I made the
decision up that I would stop and just

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freeze. I sped up, got
a good pace, and then I froze.

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And when I froze, I'm looking
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These things stopped. Whatever that they
are, they just freeze with me.

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That's when I got scared. Now, when I walked, I always

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had my firearm unloaded somewhere at that
point. It was a pump shotgun I

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racked around in the chamber, had
safety on it. And I started proceeding

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walking. I knew that I was
approximately a mile at the most from my

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camp. At this point. That's
when I began to hear a succession of

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what I would later find was like
tree knocks, and I had knocks towards

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my camp, and I heard noises
in front of me. As I began

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to get close to the trailhead that
comes out of the forest, I heard

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the metal sound for the second time. This time this metal sound was very

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close and it captured my attention forward, and as I looked at the edge

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of the woods. I was in
a large stand of oaks, and I

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noticed that I had something coming out
from beside the tree and then would disappear

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behind the tree again, peek in, peek out, back and forth.

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And I got to look in and
I'd realized that at my work we had

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used what we call gilly suits,
and that's what I thought I was looking

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at. I thought I was looking
at a tremendous side size of a man,

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and I thought it was possibly another
hunter. And then he clicked on

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me that oh okay, I got
it. Is this a coon hunter running

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his dogs? And these are just
I mean, I'm trying to make up

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excuses and thoughts in my head like
what this is, and it didn't click.

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You know again, I just didn't
have that mentality. As I'm looking

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forward in front of me, I
can see this man and he's huge.

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He dissipates in front of my eyes. I think he's went behind the tree

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or he's wanting somewhere and I just
can't see him. I'm still a little

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bit on guard, but I'm understanding
that maybe I've got a hunter and I've

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stepped in someone's territory and they could
be a little bit shook up and worried

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about me being there, and I've
kind of trespassed, per sed what I'm

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trying to say. I had to
come out of the woods at that point

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and follow a path that went down
a very steep hill, and in client

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and later on in life, I
would discover where I was in this Devil's

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backbone area. So I come down
off the hills and where we were located

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is the highest point in land between
the lakes. So I had a pretty

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good climb, going a downgrade.
As I start getting closer to my camp,

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I still hear these things on my
trail. This has all taken place.

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I'm still being followed all the way
to my camp. I'm being pursued,

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but it's it's kept the distance.
Because I get closer to my account,

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I could smell the fire and I
get closer, I can see my

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friend Harry, but he's got a
really weird look on his face. Later

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I would found out I would find
out why, and I began to explain

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to him, Hey, I'm sorry, guys, I've been out in the

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woods for a while and I didn't
mean to make you worry, and Harry

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said, man, it's not you. Some things have happened in the count

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I discover from Harry and what I
did not tell because he didn't want the

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story told. But I've come out
because his family has told me to and

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I've got permission from them to speak. And Harry tells me that he too

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had been followed into a huge corn
patch. So now I'm discovering that my

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hunting partner has had almost the same
type of altercation he's had someone into woods

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with him, but a key difference, and that he is now telling me

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that while in the Turkey Turkey mode
and hunting, he's in a cornfill.

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He's got a blind set up around
him, and he's had a corn cob

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throat past him with great power that
would have it would have taken a tremendous

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amount of force, because the force
that surrounds his hundred acre patch of corn.

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It's an old cornfill from the year
before that's been left for the animals

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to treat on. And this corn
corn cob was thrown from the woods and

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go sailing past his head. He's
done the same thing as I have,

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except he believes that we've entered a
field in an area where there's moonshiners.

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So, yeah, dummy, here, I'm thinking I got to I've trespassed

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where other people are. My friend
believes that we possibly got in the area

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where somebody is brewing moonshine, which
in State of Tennessee in Kentucky is very

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typical that happens everywhere. And so
we converse back and forth and we get

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settled down and we decided that since
we've been gone all day, it was

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time to eat. So we talked
back and forth between each other, and

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I'm telling him what happened to me, and he's telling what's happened to him.

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And then he throws a pretty strange
thing in on the story that while

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he's in the corn patch that he
saw two orange orbs that come in from

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behind him, which is off the
peaks of the devil's elbow. He described

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the orbs as his bees, a
beach ball orange. They floated across the

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cornfield and went into the woods.
This time, I don't have a clue

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what to think, And honestly,
right now I don't have what clue to

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think either, other than stories that
I have received from other hunters and people

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who have researched these kinds of things. So we've settled in and it's time

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to have some supper. We've got
the campfire going, we're going to eat.

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What takes place is very hard to
speak of, and I will speak

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of it as clearly as I possible
can and try to keep any emotion out

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of it. We're standing in front
of our fire and there is a fifty

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to seventy foot cliff above us.
It's made of limestone, and things are

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beginning to come off this limestone,
off this wall. First thing that happens

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we have a small heavile or little
bit branches and you know, thanks fall

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all the time in the woods,
not paying attention. Then we have about

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a six to eight foot piece of
wood that's been broken off and it comes

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off. It doesn't strike, it
doesn't fall and hit anything comes sailing off

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the top of the cliff and hit
a few feet from us, and it's

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it's a good sized piece of wood. It's nothing small. Starting to get

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into the freak out stage, and
we're discussing, and we believe it's the

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possibility that we're being surrounded by hell
people or moonshiners, and it's time for

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us. They're wanting us to go
now. I told you guys start of

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the story. Harry is a kind
of guy. He scared him much and

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he's not leaving his camp. And
I've made the decision. This is our

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camp. We picked it out.
We're miles from anybody else. There's miles

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that anyone else can go camping and
hunting. This is our spot and were

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I guess we had the ideal of
this is our fort. Then we're not

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going anywhere, and this is where
we'll make our stand. And as we're

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standing there, you've got the noise
above us. I see something to the

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again. I'm looking at the wall
back here now that's the limestone. I

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see something to the right hand side
of me, and I see some going

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eyes back that up. I see
something going. I want to ask real

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quick, you said you were prepared
to make your stand. Yes, Internally,

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were you thinking this is it?
Whatever is going to happen, I

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better be prepared yea or anything very
much. So we have made the decision

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that whatever took place, we'll make
our stand right here. We were not

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gonna run. We were going to
relinquish the camp to somebody. And uh

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it's a very good point, very
good point. And so if you've ever

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been out in the woods or anywhere
else and you see a cigarette globe,

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someone's drawing on a cigarette and he
gets real bright cigarette cigar or something,

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that's what I was saying. So
now I'm further convinced that we've got some

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old yahoo's and these hillbillities not gonna
run us out because we was hillbillies too,

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and so and be honest with you, that's say that's our thought.

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You know, hey, we need
go nowhere man, And uh, I'll

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I'll be honest with you. We
was armed pretty heavy. We were armed.

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And uh so this thing that's standing
beside the tree, I really believe

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it's a man back there smoking cigarette
cigar. Harry sees it two and uh

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he said, I'm will get this
guy in. And so we stood by

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there and he started to back away
from the fire a little bit. I

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knew what my partner's going to do
because I'd seen him do it one hundred

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times. You go snatch somebody up
and I'm standing there. All of a

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sudden, to distract us, twenty
five to thirty five pound rock comes flying

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above us. We hear it sailing. It didn't fall, And the reason

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why I give you these descriptions so
you'll understand, it doesn't go clunk clunk

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clunk down the wall. It comes
flying and we can hear it. It

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lands right between us, closer to
my partner than to me, and then

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when it hits it thuds. By
this time, I've had enough and I

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lose my composure and I go into
my policeman mode and I begin screaming who's

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out there? Maybe some colorful metaphors
or something, but something came out and

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I said, hey, you know
we're police officers, were armed. You

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don't come into people's camp at this
time of night. Come out from behind

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the tree. Harry begins to walk
away from me, and that's when the

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encounter comes into play, and he
gets real deep and he gets heavy.

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Folks, what you're about to hear
is so far fetched that it's hard for

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anybody to believe, except from where
I've heard other witnesses. Twenty years later,

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I hear people say this. I
begin to hear a very guttural growl

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that I cannot describe. The farm
boy, I've been on farm where if

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you kill a pig, they have
some pretty intense sounds. I look back

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now and I think about it that
it was almost like a demon, and

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I could hear it, and it
began to get extremely intense. Harry froze.

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He's few feet from me, but
he is frozen. He turns around,

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it looks to me, and he
gets a little closer and takes two

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or three steps, and we go
into a combat stance like we've been trained

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at work. We're almost shoulder to
shoulder at this point. Then it changes.

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The ground gets lower, and as
it gets lower, we can still

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hear it, but now we feel
it. It begins to vibrate, and

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it vibrates and permeetrates my chest.
The same thing is happening to me.

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I can see it's affecting area as
well, and it begins to permontrate in

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my chest and I begin to get
tunnel vision. It's almost like an energy

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level that there's no way to explain. My breathing became erratic. I began

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to feel like I was going to
pass out. My ears were affected,

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my ears were burning all these different
symptoms are coming in on me as well

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as my partner. It got to
the point that it was so intense that

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I felt like I was going to
expel and to throw up. This goes

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on, and as long as it
takes me to tell you this, this

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feeling, it's milliseconds. This happens
just like this, and we freeze,

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and there's no moving from from this
position, and I'm very shaky and steady

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on my feet. Those are all
the symptoms of what I'm feeling. Then

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to what I would call to the
west of my count, we hear noise.

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Now we're frozen, We cannot move. We got something above us,

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we got something over here by the
trees on the other side of the count.

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Now we have something coming in on
the very same game trail that I

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actually was had come in from.
Looking back, now, I know whatever

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followed me through the woods had just
stopped at the camp and was waiting.

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This beast, this creature that is
not supposed to exist, comes walking in

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on us from this trail. Folks, I'm looking at something that stands six

408
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:28.000
to seven foot tall. It is
upright, it appears to be wolf like.

409
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.559
It has the pointed ears and please
stop by my booth and shake hands

410
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:37.639
and say hello. But look at
that picture. There is a drawing on

411
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:45.719
my table where not only myself but
another lady from LBL. This is the

412
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:51.599
drawing that we've all seen. This
thing had pointed ears. It has a

413
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:57.760
snout and it was almost as if
it was it was almost as if it

414
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.800
was grinning at me, and it
was like it was it could dish.

415
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:07.440
My feelings was it was feeding off
my fear, and it would come close

416
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:14.280
and kind of back away and we
get closer. I've got the growling going

417
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:20.559
on. This thing is making noise
and the fear level. It is almost

418
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.800
as if it fed off of me. And as it began to get closer,

419
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.639
the only thing that I knew to
do, and this part's hard,

420
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:37.079
but the only thing I knew to
do was to pray. And I began

421
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:43.480
to pray David's prayer Psalm twenty third, and I began to pray hard,

422
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.599
and I knew at that point that
I was going to I felt like,

423
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.480
this is it, God, I'm
going to die. I really had that

424
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.599
mentality, this is it. Whatever
this thing was, I'm looking at it.

425
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.400
And as I be in to pray
and I got two different parts in

426
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:10.639
the prayer. I shall I shall
fear no evil, allow art with me.

427
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:19.480
And I began to get strength,
and as I got stronger, I

428
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:28.639
felt that I could move. As
I moved, my training kicked in and

429
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:34.119
my right arm moved, and I
remember it so distinctly. I'm praying my

430
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:40.880
mind, but now I'm starting to
pray aloud. I withdrew my service weapon

431
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:46.039
that I had underneath my vest,
and I came out with my service weapon.

432
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.960
Now, folks, I tell this
in a manner that I don't really

433
00:38:53.000 --> 00:39:00.079
come out with everything, and I
can, but I fired two rounds in

434
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:06.800
the direction of whatever this thing was. Please keep in mind the debt is

435
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.000
something that was very hard for me
to do. Every round that comes out

436
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.559
the end of your gun, you've
got to know where that round goes.

437
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.079
I didn't know if I was looking
at a man in a suit. I

438
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:21.119
didn't know if I was looking at
an animal. I didn't know what I

439
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:27.840
was looking at. But one thing
that made my mind up when I fired

440
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:35.679
was that when I pulled my firearm
up before I discharged, it was looking

441
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:40.719
at me, and it backed off
and it backed away from me in the

442
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:45.119
opposite direction of me. But when
I lowered my gun, it came forward.

443
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:52.599
So when I lowered my gun and
it came forward, I fired systematically

444
00:39:53.440 --> 00:40:00.119
or sympathetic fire. My partner behind
me had a ten gage double barrel shotgun.

445
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:06.599
He fires in the direction of whatever
was in the woods beside of us,

446
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:13.199
next to this tree, and I
hear screaming, a scream that was

447
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:20.880
so hideous that I compared to when
you when you take out a pig that

448
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.440
you're going to butcher. And then
this thing begins to have a fit over

449
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:30.039
here beside of me. Now that
where I have fired, this thing dissipates

450
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:36.000
in front of my eyes. It's
gone. But in that period, just

451
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:42.039
a middlesecond, whatever took place when
I fired, something goes up that wall.

452
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:46.280
I can't see it, but it's
gone. And we're hearing noises above

453
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:52.039
our camp. This thing over here
where Harry has fired his weapon twice,

454
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.880
two barrels. It's screaming and it's
having a fit, and there's a cane

455
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:02.360
patch beside there, and it's just
everything down. But it doesn't come in,

456
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.400
neither does this up above me.
Nothing comes in. We make the

457
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:14.960
decision it's time to get out of
dodge, and so we exit the coump

458
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.599
we jump into the truck and he
can't get it rolling. I mean,

459
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.960
it's something like out of a horror
flick that the truck won't roll. And

460
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:29.159
he accidentally put the emergency brake on
when he parked, and he just forgot

461
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.280
about it. So he pops the
emergency brake. But this story is only

462
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.320
just beginning. You know. You
would think that the story is going to

463
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.239
end right here, and we would
be in safety and everything would be cool.

464
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:46.880
Headlights pop on, and this is
a question you've asked. What I

465
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:53.000
see up here in my camp is
six foot lessons seven foot doglike and is

466
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:59.519
very stereotypical of the dog man of
the olbl When the headlights come on,

467
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.360
I've got two creatures in front of
me that is totally the opposite of what

468
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:08.360
I had seen in my account.
I have two Harry men. I have

469
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:16.519
two eight foot or greater big Foot. And these things are hideous. This

470
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:21.679
is not a Harry and the Anderson. This is not your TV show where

471
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.280
you see one grand atchean. It's
just like hello, Bigfoot. These things

472
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.239
were hideous. The larger one that
I perceived to be a male, an

473
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:37.000
adult male stood its ground and was
piercing, just staring right at me.

474
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:43.119
The second one had fell down into
a spider crawl where I don't know if

475
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.840
it was on its hands or if
it's elbows, but it was down low

476
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:53.880
and crouched as if it was ready
to jump up and strike. So partner

477
00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:00.480
gets the old dodge fired up and
we get to rolling. And as we

478
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.320
roll out of this campsite, keep
in mind we're miles and miles away from

479
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:10.639
anything or anybody we have to cross, and he'll been Holler has actually been

480
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:15.880
out to the location to investigate the
site. We were down a ravine and

481
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.880
across rushing creek in Lbill, and
so we have to go down deep into

482
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.960
the creek and then jump back out
of the creek. Even for a full

483
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.599
drive, it was hard. He
hit that creek and I heard something thumb

484
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:37.119
the truck. So we're coming out
of the creek these things into cane patch.

485
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:43.840
There's three, possibly four of them. They're rolling through, but something

486
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.280
tries to get into the back bed
with me and he hits it and he's

487
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.679
screaming at me from the cab.
I'm actually I'm sorry I didn't tell you,

488
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.079
but I was in the bed of
the truck. I just jumped up

489
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:57.480
into the bed of the trump and
I'm hanging on for dear life. And

490
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.480
so he hits one of them,
and I to find out when he's screaming

491
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.239
at me, he says, I
got one. I got one. We

492
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:10.000
speed up out of here and we
get out of Dodge our first end stanker.

493
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:15.599
Mine was was the opposite of my
hunting partner. He wants to exit

494
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:21.880
LBL and not tell a soul.
We're police officers. There's no way that

495
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:27.360
we're going to tell anybody anything because
these things don't exist. They're not supposed

496
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:31.480
to be alive. They just don't
exist. Was a mentality in mine.

497
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:36.800
And so about a mile or two
up the road, I'm beating on the

498
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:38.000
cabin of the truck. Let me
in, stop, let me in.

499
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:45.000
And he was well known for being
a pretty fast driver at word. I

500
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.679
finally get him to stop and he
lets me to get into the car and

501
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:53.239
truck with him, and we head
towards the exit of the southern exit of

502
00:44:53.400 --> 00:45:00.000
LBL. He wants to leave,
and I'm to the point we're almost verbally

503
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:06.239
fighting with each other. We've got
to go to the check station. We've

504
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:10.000
got to go find some authorities.
I've discharged my firearm. I have an

505
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:17.239
obligation to report this. And Harry
is to the point, we're not telling

506
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:22.400
nobody anything. I'm going home.
You do what you want to and he's

507
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:28.800
flying, and finally I had to
I really had to be forcefully with him

508
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.960
and tell him stop at the check
station, after coaxing him into it.

509
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.599
It's it's you know, it's late, it's almost midnight. He pulls into

510
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:45.920
the LBL South check station. It's
closed, there's nobody there. Nineteen ninety

511
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:52.280
three, they were driving two door, cheap jeep chairkeys and so there's two

512
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:53.320
or three of them in the parking
lot, but the lights are out.

513
00:45:54.519 --> 00:46:01.199
I convinced him that we're going to
the north station, which is forty three

514
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.639
miles away from the opposite end.
It's about forty three miles one way.

515
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:13.239
He doesn't want to do that,
and so we compromise and we stay on

516
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:20.480
the TVA guidelines, which is totally
mowed down and there's nothing growing, so

517
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.679
we can see for a great distance. So if anything comes close to us

518
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:30.440
and he gets inside the truck,
Rose wind Is up locks the doors.

519
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:35.199
I agree to stay on top of
the cab of the Dodge truck, and

520
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:39.840
I set up and I watched the
fields around us, and folks, we

521
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:45.800
have child in here soon. Won't
say it, but we were pretty dirty

522
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:52.440
and nasty by this point. If
you've studied anything like like this, most

523
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.559
folks that are hit with a level
of energy or what some folks refer to

524
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:06.400
as possibly infrasound or a type of
infrasound, you will you lose your body

525
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:12.239
functions. And I had at some
point thrown up on myself, and we

526
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:16.199
had gotten soiled, both of us, so we stayed. Next morning,

527
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:21.840
we get up, we get cleaned
up, we change our clothing, and

528
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.960
we're going to the South check station. As we begin to prepare, we

529
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:32.960
can see maybe a mile down the
road, we see three or four marked

530
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:38.400
units coming. They were park rangers, but by the time we got out

531
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:43.320
to the road, they had done
whiz by us. And they're going into

532
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:49.719
the direction of where we were camping, which is Rushing Creek Road. And

533
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.119
if we have time, I need
to tell a little about something that's taken

534
00:47:53.159 --> 00:48:00.480
place there. So they go to
angle ahead. What's our time level we're

535
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.760
getting there. I can already tell
that I'm gonna have I'm gonna ask you

536
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.400
probably to come back on and for
a future, No problem, no problem,

537
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.320
you want me ended up now a
little bit. This story is incredible

538
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.679
and everyone needs to get the bucket. And I wish we'd time for five

539
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:21.119
hours, dang it. H to
end the story up where those patrol vehicles

540
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:25.519
were going to. They were going
to the count of my buddy that I

541
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:31.159
met, that we called Bubba the
Kentucky Fireman, and two turkey hunters had

542
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:37.239
actually walked in and we're going past
his camp going to hunt that morning,

543
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:42.559
and they discovered his body and he
had been pulled out of his tent during

544
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.760
the night. Whatever attacked him had
broken his boat in half. If you

545
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:52.199
got any bow hunters, that's almost
a feat that is unreal. It broke

546
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:59.599
the boat, but it eats the
man and he was predated on. And

547
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:05.360
so that's where they were headed to. Long story short, we do go

548
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:12.960
to the South check station where we
are accosted and we are treated lesser than

549
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:19.480
a citizen. We are told that
we're going to be arrested for poaching bears

550
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.639
and said that they had had reports
of a bear that had mange and that

551
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.159
it hadn't been bothering the campers for
the last couple of weeks, and that

552
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.840
we were just scared city folks and
we didn't know the difference between a bear

553
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.320
and what we had described to him. They held us for quite a period

554
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:45.639
of time and contacted our sheriff's department, took our firearms away from us,

555
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:50.559
and we were held there for a
couple hours until we were finally told leave,

556
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:53.800
don't ever come back up here.
And if you talk about that,

557
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:58.119
and we'll talk about it at a
different time, but we were told to

558
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.800
keep our mouth shut. Then this
what brought me out of the woods.

559
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:07.800
Why did I come out of the
closet in two twenty You will not find

560
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:15.679
anything on any paper or on the
newsreel, But in twenty twenty a husband

561
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:21.920
and wife entered the Devil's Backbone and
when they went in, they parked their

562
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:25.519
car at the edge of the South
check station and they've never been found.

563
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:35.400
When I discovered this, I couldn't
I couldn't live with any longer, and

564
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:40.159
that has set me From nineteen ninety
three. I have secretly investigated the OLBL

565
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.880
until this point right now, and
the things that we have found and the

566
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:49.320
things that we have discovered. There's
between twenty five depending on who you speak

567
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:54.599
to, there are between twenty five
and twenty eight people that is attributed to

568
00:50:54.840 --> 00:51:00.800
unknown animal attacks in the OLBIL.
So there you have my story, and

569
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:05.679
I hope I was able to convey
it to you in a manner that you

570
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.400
can understand. It's not an easy
story for me to speak of, as

571
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:14.760
you can tell, and it's something
that haunts me to this day. My

572
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:16.920
wife is here. If you'd ever
want to stop by and speak to my

573
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:22.119
wife. My wife will tell you
of how that it is affected a seasoned

574
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:28.239
police officer that wasn't afraid of anything
that I have nightmares constantly. I'm still

575
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.840
battling them all. I'm still fighting. Martin. Your story is incredible and

576
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:37.400
I'm so glad that you were able
to come forward and share that in different

577
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.840
ways. And we had talked earlier
and you said, we just have a

578
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.440
few minutes left, but you said, we need to make sure that we

579
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:52.719
talk about the correlation or the connection
between Bigfoot and dog Man in the LBL.

580
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:58.360
I don't know if we can fit
that in Okay, this nineteen ninety

581
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:05.480
three, I've invested gated heavily.
There's been a longstanding rule between researchers and

582
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:10.679
people that speak of the LBL,
that consider themselves to be an authority or

583
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:16.840
per se expert researchers, and they
say that Bigfoot resides on one end of

584
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:22.639
the LBL and the dog men only
are seen on the opposite side. But

585
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:29.880
in reality the correlation between the two. Not only are then in the same

586
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:35.800
areas, but we have discovered where
some of the big Foot are always accompanied

587
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:43.800
by a pack of these creatures or
beings whatever that they may be. And

588
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:49.440
it's extremely fascinating within the last year
of the tracks that we have found,

589
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.760
and of all the witnesses who have
come forward, and let me assure you,

590
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:59.760
guys have one thing. Every park
ranger in that place, they'll tell

591
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:05.000
you nothing resides there. However,
every single one of them get the reports

592
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:12.679
and they know what is in these
parts. And interesting enough, cryptid studies

593
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:20.280
institute a very super folks family that
have been investigated. They were very religious,

594
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:27.440
the most impeccable witnesses you would ever
meet. They would never tell any

595
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:35.159
fabrication. Their brother and sister and
their father started this investigation team. They

596
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:39.119
were in May the seventeenth and I
was there, but I was not with

597
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:44.199
them. A group of researchers were
in If some of you have ever heard

598
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:49.400
of Martin Nunley or like hell Ben
Hollard, people like that, they were

599
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:55.159
not there at this time. The
Henderson's observed on May seventeenth between ten and

600
00:53:55.199 --> 00:54:00.000
midnight, and they had a chief
of police with them that has retired out

601
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:05.880
of the state of Western Kentucky area
that I will respect his name because he

602
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:09.039
doesn't want his name mentioned. They
saw the dog man, it crossed in

603
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:13.639
front of their truck. And now
we live in the age where I see

604
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:15.760
most of you have your cell phones
put up. Everybody's got a cell phone,

605
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.880
it's in their hands, or people
scrolling through looking up what they're going

606
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:27.519
to eat whatever. These three researchers
were in awe and so struck by what

607
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:32.440
they saw that they couldn't even get
to their cell phones. This encounter lasted

608
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:37.880
less than twenty seconds. The dog
man run across from them. I urge

609
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:43.360
you to go to Crypti Studies Institute
and listen to the description of what they

610
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.000
put out and what does thing looked
like, because I didn't really give you

611
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an accurate, really detailed description of
this thing. But there's your correlation.

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These things run together. Now,
A young lady would make this quick.

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A young lady just tip me up. She had seen us in the movie

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American American wherewholfs and and set an
incredible job with that and allowed us to

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get some information out. The lady
came up to me and she traveled all

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the way from Virginia to actually see
me and ask me one question. And

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the question was what was the correlation. What was the role of Bigfoot with

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the dogman that night? And she
wanted to know was it there to protect

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us or was it there to direct
the dog men who acted like a pursuing

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like a hunter and their bird dogs. I have no answer, but I

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can give you my opinion. And
I believe that these two Bigfoot, and

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the lady said at best last night
on the panel, they have different personalities.

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These two were not the kind and
nice Bigfoot. You might say it's

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on, I'll put it, and
I do believe that they directed them and

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that was their hunting dogs. And
last thing, very quickly, Demember's Bay.

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Eleven people have been massacred in Demember's
Bay. Yeah, this October October

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of last year, we found where
two big Foot were with a pack of

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at least three. They killed a
deer in the middle of the campground,

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broke its neck, pulled the head
spine off, took the rest of it

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with them. But the tracks indicated
to us and showed us Bigfoot was there,

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dog man was there present, and
it was as if the dogmen chased

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the deer directly towards the big Foot. So is it possible that's what was

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taking place that night we were supposed
to get eat up. So anyway,

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it's very interesting to be here with
you guys. I hope I was able

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to give you some thought that Demembers
Bay story you talk about in your books.

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I mean that alone could be another
hour I feel. I mean,

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definitely check out Martin's books. It's
incredible. There's pictures of the tracks that

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you found. But thank you so
much for coming on the show today live

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at Monster Fest. A few things. Of course, again, I'm going

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to say it one more time.
Please check out Martin's books. They're some

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of my favorite that I've read in
the last few years, and they're super

642
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:42.480
easy to read. If you like
Bigfoot society, if you like hearing people

643
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:46.519
talk about their encounters I have business
cards and free stickers over there. I'll

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hook you up. Make sure you
come up afterwards. I'll be over by

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the STM booth. But thank you
so much for taking your time to choose

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to listen to this today. For
people that listen to big forciety, I

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appreciate you more than you know.
The goal is to do this full time.

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One day, I'm twenty percent of
the way there. I will be

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full time and hopefully get to go
to places and interview people face to face

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like this, so I appreciate it
more than you know. And for those

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that are long time listeners, if
you're into the vammuter visitor, okay,

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some people will get that. There
are shirts that should be only at the

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festival actually here at Monster Fest at
map in Black Spooths, so make sure

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you don't miss out on those.
But thank you so much for coming.

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Thanks to everybody, God bless you
all. Special thanks to Seth Breedlove and

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Small Town Monsters for inviting me to
Monster Fest as a guest this year.

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