June 7, 2026

MASSIVE BIPEDAL FIGURE TERRIFIES WITNESS IN THE SIUSLAW NATIONAL FOREST | ARCHIVES

MASSIVE BIPEDAL FIGURE TERRIFIES WITNESS IN THE SIUSLAW NATIONAL FOREST | ARCHIVES
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Season 1

A woman heads deep into Oregon’s wilderness searching for answers about Sasquatch… and something answers back.


From terrifying barefoot footsteps outside her childhood home near Astoria, to rocks thrown from the trees near Spruce Run Campground, Alicia shares a lifetime of encounters that kept pulling her toward the mystery.


Then came the moment that changed everything.


Standing alone on a forgotten bridge in the Siuslaw National Forest, Alicia heard metallic knocks echoing beneath her feet. She left gifts. She spoke out loud into the woods. Moments later, a massive unseen presence responded with a deep vocalization from the darkness just beyond her car.


What followed left her physically shaking on the drive home.


This episode dives into:



  • Heavy bipedal movement near Svensen, Oregon
  • Dogs reacting in fear to an approaching presence
  • Intelligent rock-throwing encounters
    Strange nighttime campground activity
  • Recurring childhood Bigfoot dreams
  • A chilling “Siuslaw Hoo” captured on audio
  • The emotional impact of direct encounters

These stories span decades, multiple wilderness locations, and some of Oregon’s most active Sasquatch territory.


Follow Alicia's current adventures with Tobe over on the Flash of Beauty channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8xsVzqKAZg&t=70s



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You're listening to bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails in remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society. You got

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the privilege of talking to Alicia. Alicia is an individual

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that I had the privilege of meeting at my booth

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in Sasquatch Summerfest out there in beautiful Oakridge, organ just

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a few months ago, and she has agreed to come on.

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She's got some really interesting things that have happened to

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her over the years. But Alicia, it's a privilege to

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talk to you again, and thank you for coming on

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the show.

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Yeah, thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to this.

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It was awesome to meet you at the festival too,

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and it's exciting to share. You kind of helped encourage

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me to like set the appointment and do the interview,

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so I'm looking forward to it.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely, And it looked like you were making some really

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good connections around the fair. I noticed you were talking

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all sorts of people when I was talking to lots

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of people myself at my booth, so that was pretty

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cool to see.

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Yeah, it was great. I just happened to stumble upon

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and meet Jeff Rohn, and I was talking with Tob

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Johnson quite a bit because I'm in the Cottage Grove area,

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so I wanted to kind of talk his ear off

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a little bit and hear more about the Almon Lab stuff,

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and just met a lot of really great people.

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That is fantastic. That's one of my favorite books. It's

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such an incredible read and big fan of everything that

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Toab and those guys do. And I've talked Jeff as well.

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But that's why I'm saying people, you need to go

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to festivals like this, especially the smaller, newer ones, because

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you're gonna get connections that you're not going to be

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able to get on the Internet. But that to the side, Alisha,

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that's kind of my plug for people to go to

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festivals in person. It's honored to have you on here.

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I'm going to go ahead and put things right over

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to you. But before we start, I am going to

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say this is going to be one of those interviews

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where it'll be kind of a more conversational back and forth,

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just because we want things to flow a certain way,

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and I always check with the individual to see if

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they'd prefer them just taking the reins and going or

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if we want to have more of a conversation. So

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we're going to go ahead and do that. So it

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might be a little bit different than you're used to,

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but it'll be great. And Alisha, I'm going to have

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you go ahead and start off where you'd like to start.

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Okay, sounds good. So I was born and raised in Astoria, Oregon,

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which is like the top left of Oregon, right at

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the mouth of the Columbia River there, and I when

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I was about nine, I think nine years old, I

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lived with my grandparents off on a lot in our

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childhood and they decided to sell their house in town

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and purchased a five acre property out in called Spincon.

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But it's technically it's still the Astoria zip code, but

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it's about like twenty or thirty minutes east of Astoria

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off Highway thirty. And we moved out there. And the

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first summer I was out there, I had a sleepover

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with a four eight friend and she came over and

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spent the night, and we stayed up later because it

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was a summer night, and we probably went to bed

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around like twelve or twelve thirty and I could not

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sleep because it was just really hot and we didn't

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have ac and she fell asleep within like the first

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five minutes and was snoring. So between the heat and

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the snoring and probably like a leftover caffeine rush, I

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could just not sleep for the life of me. And

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it wasn't very uncommon for me to just lay in

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bed and kind of be in my head thinking about things,

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and so I know I did that for about like

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an hour and a half or so, and at one

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point I got so fed up with the heat that

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I just grabbed my pillow and decided to lay down

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on the carpet below the only window in my room.

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And I'm laying there and I guess maybe I should

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kind of describe the property a little bit in the area,

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but so it's kind of like in the shape of

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a square, and it's a corner lot, so the road

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wrapped around like the left and top side of it.

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and kind of back behind us, but we had a

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lot of elk and deer and coyotes around. We were

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really familiar with the elk and the deer coming into

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our yard and for some reason, they really like to

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enter in this one specific corner, which was like the

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top right corner, and it would lead from the road

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and they'd have to jump over a drainage ditch into

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our field. Our property was pretty open, like not a

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ton of trees, but if on our road because it

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kind of came to a tee, so it didn't matter

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if you took a left towards our property or right.

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Either way it would end up at like a gravel

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road with just tons of forest and there'd be you know,

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logging trucks coming in and out during the week, and

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so just a lot of forests land back there. But

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our property itself was pretty open. So going back to

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the story, so I'm laying there and it's probably between

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like one thirty two thirty in the morning, and I

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hear this really loud thump and I immediately woke up

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because I was like almost drifting off to sleep, and

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then the thud sound like woke me up. My eyes

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I opened wide open, and immediately after the thud, I

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started to hear running, and it sounded by pedal to me.

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And with the deer and the elk that would always

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come into our yard, I was familiar with the sound

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of them kind of entering our property because you'd hear

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kind of like a first thud and a second thud,

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like the front hoofs followed by the back hooves, and

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this was just like a single thud, so the thud

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and then running towards the direction of the house. I

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kind of heard it approaching, and it probably got like

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halfway through the field, and I started to hear really

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heavy breathing, and at this point I was kind of

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more like paralyzed in fear a little bit, because I

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was realizing that it was heading in the direction of

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like the house and like my open window, and even

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though my blinds were closed, I was just like, I

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guess nervous that this thing would somehow know whatever it

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was that I was on the other side of the

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window or something and little paranoid thoughts. But so it

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booked it past my window, and it was so loud,

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like the footfall was really heavy. The breathing, of course,

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became a lot louder, and it just kind of went

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right past my window. It took a single step on

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our gravel driveway and then it hit the pavement, and

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as soon as it hit the pavement, I heard the

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sound of their feet slapping on pavement, and that really

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kind of tripped me out because I was like a

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party of me was thinking, there's a person running through

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our yard in the middle of the night, which is

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strange on its own, But why would they not be

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wearing shoes? Was my other thought. And then it continued running,

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and then there was like a short pause followed by

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another thud, and then I continued hearing the running again.

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So it actually I realized it ran just far enough

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to pass, Like we had a bordering treeline behind our house,

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separating our property in the neighbor's property, and there was

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like old barbed wire in there too, So this thing,

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whatever it was, just ran long enough to pass that

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treeline and then jumped over the ditch and continued running

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in our neighbor's field, which was like three foot tall

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dry grass, and I could hear it like kind of

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pushing down the tall grass as it was running. And

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the other thing about it was just how fast it

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covered ground, Like I mean, I can't even really guess

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how long it took, but I just remember in the

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moment thinking like, wow, this thing is really fast, really heavy,

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and just had no idea. I had a hard time

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believing it was a person, and I didn't tell my

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friend or my family. I was just kind of like

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freaked out and wanted to forget it sort of a thing.

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But that was the first experience I had at that house.

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And then a couple of years later, I was probably

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like thirteen or fourteen, and this is one that I

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experienced with my mom. And by this time we had

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two dogs, and we had like a small Schnauzer mix

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and then kind of a medium sized pit bull rescue,

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and the two of them were like they would just

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bark and go running after anything on our property, Like

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didn't matter if it was you know, big elk or

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the deer or people. They would just take off running.

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We actually had to be careful about letting them outside

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if we had elk in our yard and stuff like that.

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But my mom and I went shopping for the day

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and we had probably been gone about like five hours,

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i'd say, and no one else was home. So when

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we got home, first thing, we were like, oh, got

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to take the dogs out because they probably need to go.

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And so we let them out the back porch and

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we start walking out there with them, and we noticed

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that they wouldn't go down off the porch, so we

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kind of decided to walk down off the few steps

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and onto this little tile paver area. And it's dark.

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I don't remember there being any source of light outside

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of like our porch light reaching as far as it did,

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so we can see stars and you know, no moonlight

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or anything, because it was pitch black beyond like the

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porch light. So and as we're walking down the stairs

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off the porch, we're kind of talking. I think we

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were just resuming a conversation we were having in the car,

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and we think the dogs came off the porch and

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are doing their thing, but we're just talking and not

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paying attention, and then all of a sudden, in front

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of us, we start to hear something like trudging through

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the BlackBerry bushes walking through them like it's no problem

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at all, and they'd probably be like, you know, kind

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of waist height BlackBerry bushes. And it's again like heavy footsteps,

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and it was kind of like a boom boom boom sound.

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And my mom and I both stopped talking and she's like,

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do you hear that? And you know what is that?

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And she thought maybe it was an elk and I

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was like, no, I don't hear like the hoofs and

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and she's like, could it be a cougar? And I

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thought no, I think it would you know, be trying

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to sneak up on us if it was a cougar.

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And it just keeps like really steady pace of approaching us,

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and then it gets as it's getting closer, I start

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to hear deep, heavy breathing and I instantly think back

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and remember that night at the sleepover when that thing

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ran through our yard, and it reminded me so much

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of that sound, just like the heaviness of it and

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the breathing, and it wasn't slowing down, and that it

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also wasn't speeding up, but it was just like beelining

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straight for us, and we should have been able to

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see it, but again, it was so dark and the

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porch light only illuminated so far. And then my mom

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is just like, wait, were the dogs, and because we

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hadn't heard a peep out of them, and we look

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up and they're still on the porch. They're actually standing

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at the back door with their tails tucked and their

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hackles up, and they look terrified, which is very abnormal

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for them. They always freak out when something's on our property.

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And we were like, this is weird. So my mom

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just goes get in the house and we ran in

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and she locked the door, and immediately she ran over

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and like closed the blinds to a window that if

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it were daylight, would have been facing where that thing

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was walking towards us, Like we would have been able

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to see it had there been light, but we couldn't. Yeah,

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of course it was pitch black. So it weirded me

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out that she closed the blinds. I mean, I think

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that was just kind of like a mom instinct, like

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protective thing. But I remember thinking, you know, if it

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was an animal, why would you close the blinds? But

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and that freaked us out. We didn't really talk about

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it too much after that, but she'll still talk about

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it with me and agree that that was weird, and

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we both kind of questioned, you know, what it could

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have been, but I kind of I lean more towards

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the bigfoot stuff and she's open to that. But yeah,

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both of those things are I guess still up in

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the air. Just didn't sound like any animal I could

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think of. I guess.

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Was that the same property as well?

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Or yes? Yeah, sorry, that was the same property? Ok? Yeah, Yeah.

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We were probably out there for like eight years, I

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want to say, but yeah, and those were the two

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main kind of experiences we had out there. And I

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asked other parts of my family, like my brother lived

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with us and then my grandparents, and I don't recall

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them sharing anything, but yeah, they were interesting.

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You said it was east of Astoria.

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Yeah, so if you take Highway thirty and head towards

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like Rainier, organ and like were the bridges going over

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to long View out that way? I think it's about

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like maybe eighteen or twenty miles east of our story.

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It's still considered the same zip code, but there's like

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a little sign that says Spincon but yeah, it's right

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before Napa.

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So were you close to Rainier or not? Too close.

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I think from spincon Rainier probably would have been another

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like thirty five forty minutes, but yeah, it's from a story,

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it'd probably be more like a forty five to fifty

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minute kind of track.

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Wow, okay, So in terms of bigfoot moving around, it's

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it's not that far away.

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There's a lot of like forest land out there. Oh yeah,

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there's quite a bit.

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Yeah you've heard the have you heard the rin Yer

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stuff I've had on this podcast?

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That was that was the first one I ever heard.

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Was it really really gotten me hooked?

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Okay?

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Yeah, yeah, that was one of my favorites.

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Yeah, there may be more coming to that in a

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few years. We'll see. Oh cool, prass your fingers.

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Yeah.

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So thinking back to that time when you're I mean

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you're pretty young. We just heard that you were around

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thirteen to fourteen in the last account, did you ever

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notice any weird stuff on the property besides hearing the

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sounds the footprints? Did you ever see like any weird

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things done to trees or other sounds that didn't make

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sense or just kind of out of place stuff.

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No, I mean so I didn't really explore much of

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the woods or anything out that way. And like our

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property I mentioned, we didn't really have a ton of trees.

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Other people's properties would, but ours was fairly open. In fact,

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I think that there were like a lot of young

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trees that were just planted. And I drove past that

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property somewhat in the last recent and last prior three years,

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and those trees have already grown. You can't even like

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see the house anymore as you drive by. But yeah,

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so I didn't notice any interesting structures or things like that.

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But to be honest, I don't think I would have

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an eye for it. It wasn't until I learned about

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that stuff that I like will see at anytime I'm

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out in the woods. But we did have a kind

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of a separate living room on the end of the house,

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or one end of the house that was kind of

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like a TV family room, and the porch kind of

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hugged around that side of the house, but it had

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a ramp leading up to it. And there was a

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lot of summer nights that I would fall asleep with

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the TV on, like no volume, but leaving the TV

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on for kind of like light. And when I would

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be asleep kind of in the middle of the night,

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I would be woken up to the sound of someone

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stepping on the creaky boards of that ramp, and I

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would wake up and listen, and I wouldn't hear any addition,

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any additional like footsteps leading off or continuing onto the porch.

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It would just be like the creaks of specific boards

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that I knew myself from just walking on it, and

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then there would be no other sound. So that always

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I always wondered about. But aside from that, I don't

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really remember much else. My brother saw a cougar at night,

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kind of backlit by the moonlight one night while he

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was out smoking on the porch. But yeah, I don't

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I asked him, and he didn't seem to remember any

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like strange, non wildlife type experiences.

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Gotcha, And did that ever come up in conversations with neighbors, like, Hey,

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we had something weird running around on our property. Did

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you guys ever have anything or anything that happened?

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No, not that I not that I'm aware of. I

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don't know if my you know, it's possible that that was,

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you know, conversations between my grandparents and my mom, But

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I we only talked to about one neighbor in particular.

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They were on our right and they pretty much kept

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to themselves, but they would let us know if there was,

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you know, any sightings of cougars in the area, or

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you know, if animals, like their pets were getting messed

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with by coyotes or anything. But it was mostly just

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kind of your typical small talk with them. And yeah,

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they had a couple of horses and a couple of dogs,

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but we didn't really. Yeah, it was just kind of

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a simple, you know, high neighbor sort of a thing.

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Wather's nice kind of talk.

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Yeah, I totally get it. Kind of similar maybe to

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New England a little bit in a way, which is

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where I grew up. But so abound that time of

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your your life, you had some interesting things happen and

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you're kind of open to well maybe this bigfoot, maybe not.

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And then did other things happen pretty close to that

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or was it another multiple year gap between something else?

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Yeah, there was probably another another good gap. So, like

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my next experience was more like when I was twenty

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one or twenty two age range. I've grown up having

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kind of like paranormal activity stuff, and I moved around

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quite a bit in my childhood, so we'd be in

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houses and i'd kind of have more experiences surrounding like

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maybe quote unquote haunted house type of situation or things

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like that, but not as much in the realm of Bigfoot.

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So but when I was, yeah, that age range of

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twenty one twenty two, I was working in the service

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industry and befriended the scal and her boyfriend who I

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worked together with, and we decided to go camping together.

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And if you head down one on one from Astoria,

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you can go past Seaside and wind up at that

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junction where it splits off to either stay on one

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on one or take Highway twenty six. That'll go over

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a pass and it kind of spits you out towards

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Beaverton area, and on that pass is a campground called

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Spruce Run. So we decided to go camp that way,

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and they brought their dog with them, but otherwise it

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was just the three of us and we When you

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first pull off of Highway twenty six towards the you

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know the sign for the campground, it kind of the

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road splits and you can go left and up towards

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the lake which is called Lost Lake, or you can

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go to the right and go down into the campground.

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We wanted to go out and check out the lake,

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but we decided to go grab our spot first and

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kind of set up a little bit. So we went

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down and we found our camp spot, and when we

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were driving down in, I noticed off to the left

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that there was a trailhead that kind of hugged and

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paralleled the road of the lake kind of drive up

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or whatever, and so I made a comment of that,

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and I was like, oh, I wonder if that, you know,

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that trail leads to the lake, maybe we should try

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to hike to it. And it's probably not that long.

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So we decided to do that. After we set up,

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we walked over to the trailhead and there was no

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like signs at that time, so it didn't like, I

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don't even know if the trail had like a name

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or anything. And then there was just kind of like

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a blink sign area. But we decided to take the

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truck anyways, and their dog was really excited, you know,

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kind of had the zoom easy up ahead of us

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and then come back. But then I was leading in front,

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and you know, besides the dog, and every like twenty

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feet probably I was running into cobwebs, and then the

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trail was pretty overgrown. You could tell it wasn't really maintained,

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and so I remember making a comment about partway, you know,

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about five minutes in or something that like, I don't

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think anyone's taking this trail recently, because I'm literally walking

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into gobwebs, you know, every fifteen or twenty feet, and

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pretty soon it turns into just switchbacks, and so the

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dog's like running up ahead of me, kind of partially

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up the next switchback, and then he turns around and

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comes running back and he'll check in with his owners.

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And we get like twenty minutes into the hike, and

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all of a sudden, something like throws a decent sized

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rock up and over our heads, like this perfect art,

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and it just like wax trees all the way down,

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and I stop and we all look at each other

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and we're just kind of like, what what was that?

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And I'm trying to kind of look up because there's

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a bit of like a ridge up above us, and

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I don't, you know, I don't see anything, and the

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dogs like all perked up and curious. But I think

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I made a joke of you know, I think at

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that point I had heard about bigfoots throwing rocks, and

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so I think I cracked a joke like, oh, maybe

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it's a bigfoot. But we were we were kind of puzzled,

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but I was curious and also wanted to continue hiking,

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and so I think we just decided to keep going

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a little farther. I think I kind of encouraged it

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a bit.

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How did the other people and the party react to

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your joke.

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I think they just kind of laughed a little bit.

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I mean they were they'd be open minded to chatting

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about the subject like that, but I don't know if

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they personally were, you know, in that boat of believing

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in them. But yeah, I think I remember them just

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kind of giggling at it, and I think they were

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more concerned that it was a person maybe up there,

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like camping out, or like, you know, maybe like a

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homeless person living up there. But I was like, oh,

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it's probably you know, it's probably nothing, or maybe it

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wasn't a rock. I remember us kind of trying to

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talk through it of like maybe it's not as big

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of a deal. But I in my head, I was

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like curious and kind of hoping that it was a

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rock thrown by bigfoot. So I was encouraging them to

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keep going, and we went probably I think like one

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and a half more switchbacks and a second one was thrown.

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So I immediately looked up the ridge or hill side

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again and I could see where I think it came from,

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because this bush was kind of shaking pretty like rapidly,

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and I pointed it out and they're like, oh yeah,

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and I could see on their faces they were weirded out,

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And I mean I was a little weighted out, but

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I was kind of more excited and curious than afraid.

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But at this point, the dog actually turned around and

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started descending the trail without us, like he wasn't having

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any of it. And I think at this point in

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the trail we were also wanting to know like how

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much farther it was, and it started to seem like

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it was taking longer than it should because the road

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leading up to it is very short, like it shouldn't

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take that long to kind of get to But this, yeah,

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the second time that the rock was thrown, it did

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the same exact thing, like the same exact perfect arch.

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It was way up over our heads and then hit

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multiple trees as it came down. But when I looked

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up where I think that it kind of came from there.

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You could see that that wasn't a part of the trail,

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like the switchbacks were about to stop, and like maybe

460
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it continues farther off to the right or something, because

461
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.279
you couldn't see. It was just all overgrown, and it

462
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:17.319
didn't make sense to me that a person would be

463
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.359
hiding up there and just like throwing rocks at people.

464
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:24.640
And I think at this point too, I was still

465
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:27.440
running into cobwebs, maybe a little less, but there was

466
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:30.920
still quite a few as we continued up there, and

467
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:35.680
so we just kind of decided, okay, like something is

468
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:38.440
either maybe not wanting us up there or is messing

469
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.920
with us. And because I could tell they were a

470
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.680
little uncomfortable and the dog was like ready to leave,

471
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.640
we decided to go back down to the campground and

472
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.119
drive up to the lake instead. And so we went

473
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.880
and we did that, came back, had some food and things,

474
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.880
and I remember when the boyfriend was taking the cooler

475
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.000
out of the car, he was making a comment that

476
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.960
the cooler was really heavy, and my friend his girlfriend

477
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.039
was kind of laughing, like, you know, why did you

478
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.880
pack so much? And we were only going to be

479
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.079
there for one night, but he's a cook and so

480
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.319
he got really into bringing lots of good food. And

481
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.200
then my friend and I worked at a beer growler station,

482
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:25.519
so we had like heavy thirty ounce you know, jars

483
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.640
of craft beer in there, and then like the ice

484
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.799
and all that. So it was probably like a thirty

485
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.839
five pound or so cooler when he was taking it out.

486
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:42.039
And anyway, so I'm making that note because when we

487
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:46.200
went to bed that night, I was woken up at

488
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.160
some point, you know, middle of the night, to hearing

489
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.880
that cooler being dragged across the gravel on the ground.

490
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:58.440
And it wasn't like I didn't hear any other sound

491
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:03.079
of like something trying to open the cooler or scratch

492
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.960
at it. I didn't hear any footsteps or something like scamping,

493
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.319
like scampering around the camp. It was literally just the

494
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.519
like it happened three times. You would hear it drag

495
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.039
across the cooler, it would pause, and then it did

496
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.839
it again, and then there was kind of a longer pause,

497
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.440
and then it happened one more time, and I stayed

498
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.960
awake listening because I was like, if it's you know,

499
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.480
a small animal, I think you'd hear more or any animal,

500
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.440
you'd hear more noises. If it was like a bear

501
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.720
or something, you'd probably hear like sniffing or you know,

502
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.519
something like that, And there was no other noise. It

503
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.920
was literally just something. And it almost reminded me of

504
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:48.039
like a paranormal type experience where an inanimate object is

505
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.319
like being moved, but you don't like hear any other

506
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:56.079
noises to kind of logically explain it. It reminded me

507
00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.680
of that in a way. So, you know, little things

508
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:06.519
that were just weird enough to make you question or yeah, wonder, I.

509
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:15.680
Guess that is that's extremely weird. Yeah, I feel like

510
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:21.960
we are missing some foundation foundational information you because you

511
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:27.839
alluded to it, really, and I just I don't know

512
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.720
if you're you're If you're not comfortable with this, that's fine,

513
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.960
But what kind of stuff was also happening when you

514
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:34.519
were younger?

515
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.759
Well, so, I, like I said, I moved around a lot,

516
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.200
and yeah, I'm totally comfortable getting into it. I just

517
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:46.799
didn't know how much I should kind of keep it

518
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.880
strictly to bigfoot stuff, but or being out in the woods.

519
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:56.599
So I remember being woken up a lot from like

520
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:01.720
deeper sleeps and just having an over presence feeling in

521
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:06.039
the room. I was terrified of sleeping alone and like

522
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.200
in the dark. Even if I was like sleeping with

523
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.640
my mom, there had to be a night light because

524
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.680
I would get woken up so often by like noises

525
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:20.359
and not just not just your typical like floorboard creaking

526
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.519
or the house settling, you know, like wood expansion or

527
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:28.720
whatever it was. It would sound more like tapping or knocking,

528
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.680
or or it would be something that I didn't hear.

529
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.759
It would just be an overwhelming sense of like a

530
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.279
presence of something in the room. Might even be kind

531
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:43.039
of hyper focused on, like a certain corner, but not

532
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.079
stuff that you know, could probably be choked up to,

533
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:50.920
you know, kids fear and wild imaginations. But I woke

534
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.440
up in my grandma's house before they sold their house,

535
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.559
and when we moved out to Spencon, they had a

536
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.440
pink how Sup on the hill in Astoria, and one

537
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.000
morning everyone was downstairs eating breakfast and I was sleeping

538
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:09.599
in I must have been like five or six, probably,

539
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:15.200
but I woke up to the door just like slowly

540
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.640
being pushed open, which wasn't something that a breeze could do,

541
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.720
because it was a really tall, like shaggy carpet, and

542
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.200
it would require some effort to kind of push it open,

543
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.400
and that freaked me out. I booked it and ran downstairs.

544
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:38.359
And then I used to see like shadows in the

545
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.400
corner of my eyes that I would just kind of

546
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.319
brush off or ignore because I don't know. I think

547
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:53.000
I avoided for most of my childhood trying to understand

548
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:58.720
or explain things that would happen. But that's because it

549
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.000
was like too scary for me to really try to

550
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.400
understand or think about. I was pretty easily spooked as

551
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.039
a kid, Like I had to be careful of what

552
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.359
I watched and things like that because it would just

553
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.960
kind of linger for me, or it would feel so real.

554
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.960
Even if it was just like a you know, a

555
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.839
made up movie or something, it would feel very real.

556
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.480
And I've also always just had a very open mind

557
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:27.400
when it came to the possibility of things existing like

558
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:32.440
Bigfoot or you know, aliens, ghosts, you know, forest creatures,

559
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.200
things like that. And I kind of feel like because

560
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:43.279
I've had an open mind to it, that I've naturally

561
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:50.920
been like approached or like exposed to experiencing more because

562
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.200
I don't know, And that's just like my theory on

563
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.880
it is because I'm if other people tell me stories

564
00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.960
or things that they believe, and I just kind of

565
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.480
of like, I listened to them and you know, take

566
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.759
them by their word if they if they seem authentic

567
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.320
and without judgment, and like, wow, you know, I personally

568
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.760
don't know if I believe in that specific thing, but

569
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:17.639
I'm willing to hear it and hear them out and

570
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.320
not discredit them for it. So I think a lot

571
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.679
has to do with my just open mindedness to the

572
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.719
possibilities has made me experience a lot more. And that

573
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.639
stuff really vamped up more in like my teenage years

574
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:39.519
and my early to mid twenties, and I still get

575
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.559
little things here and there, usually when I'm by myself,

576
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.360
but yeah, it's something I'm more used to now and

577
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.599
I've kind of overcome the fear and became more curious

578
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:56.239
about things. And yeah, so if that kind of explains it,

579
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:58.119
I don't know that.

580
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:02.800
That really makes sense your dreams or or any weird

581
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.239
communication or anything like that.

582
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:12.159
Yeah, I actually have a specifically with Bigfoot. I was

583
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.519
debating whether I should add it or not into the stories.

584
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.079
But when I was young, or probably like between five

585
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.000
and seven, I would have a reoccurring dream about a

586
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.599
bigfoot like watching me through a window, and it was

587
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:32.079
always a square window. Weirdly enough, I should probably look

588
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:36.679
into like the symbology of you know, like dream symbolism

589
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.760
and all that stuff. But I would always be alone,

590
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.639
and typically in like my Grandma's house would be the setting.

591
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:44.960
But I'd be in the living room like watching TV

592
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.480
alone with nobody else home, and then suddenly I'd get

593
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.880
the feeling that I was being watched, and I would

594
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.840
look up, and sure enough it would be that square

595
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.039
window with just the shoulders and the head of a bigfoot.

596
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.480
I would immediately book it to the next room over

597
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:05.760
and find a hiding spot where I felt like I

598
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.800
was out of view and for a moment feel safe

599
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.480
and like I wasn't seen. And then the feeling would

600
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.320
come back around and I'd feel it again, and I'd

601
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.320
look up and where on a wall there wasn't a

602
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.760
window before that same square window like manifested in the dream,

603
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.239
and that same exact bigfoot would be right there. And

604
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:33.000
it was always during the daytime. I wish I could

605
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:37.199
like think of or remember more details about like the face,

606
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.159
but I in my dream. I would always kind of

607
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.519
book it as soon as I saw, like the silhouette,

608
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.239
and so I don't have much like memory of the

609
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:53.480
specifics of what it looked like or anything, but yeah,

610
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.519
and that one. I probably had that dream like six

611
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.199
or eight times, and it would just always play out

612
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.800
the same way, like maybe the house was a little different,

613
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:06.280
but the same exact thing would happen every time. And

614
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.639
I told my mom about it the other day, asking her,

615
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.000
you know, when she might think I was exposed to,

616
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.800
like the idea of bigfoot existing, because I don't remember,

617
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.159
you know, I never saw Harry and the Henderson's until

618
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.599
I was like twenty three, so and of course bigfoots

619
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.480
marketed and used all over the place now, but back then,

620
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.280
I mean that would have been like the mid to

621
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.719
late nineties. It wasn't as common to see that, you know,

622
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:39.800
silhouette or be exposed to the idea of bigfoot. And

623
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.719
you know, like I said, she was careful about what

624
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.559
I would watch or see as a kid, so she

625
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:48.840
couldn't think of a time when maybe I would have

626
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.360
learned about the possibility of them. So I kind of

627
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:54.800
tripped out at the thought of, like whoa, what if

628
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.400
I was having these dreams before I even knew they existed.

629
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:03.679
But I can't like confirm or deny that.

630
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:08.199
That's that's super super interesting, and thank you for sharing that,

631
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:12.519
because that's that's pretty personal. Well this all is. But yeah,

632
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.159
any questions I asked you, you can shut me down.

633
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.719
Do you have a religious background at all?

634
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.119
I do not. There's been times when like my mom

635
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:31.519
or grandparents would attend church, like Christian churches, and I

636
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.519
went to church a little bit as a kid, but

637
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:38.400
it wasn't super enforced and it wasn't something that stayed.

638
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.599
And then personally, I've dabbled in a lot more like

639
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.360
spirituality stuff. But I'm now at a point in my

640
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.159
life where, you know, if I kind of go through

641
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.239
phases where I feel more connected to uh, spirituality and

642
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.159
other times I don't. It kind of just depends what

643
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.199
I do or how I'm feeling. But it's not like

644
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.280
a you know, like an everyday thing, or I don't

645
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.280
take it super seriously. I just kind of have a

646
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.079
openness to the possibilities of all of it.

647
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.920
I guess, yeah, when you say dabble with stuff is

648
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.239
like meditation.

649
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:26.480
Stuff, I thought, yeah, meditation like divination, like tarot cards

650
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.400
and pendulums. There was a time in my twenties where

651
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.360
I was really into that stuff, and now it's just

652
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.400
kind of like, yeah, I know about it and I

653
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:39.000
have it, but I don't always use them or mess

654
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.920
with those things. I just kind of when it feels

655
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.199
right or when I feel like utilizing them.

656
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:48.199
It sounds like you're probably a type of person where

657
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:56.960
you're sensitive to different things, maybe even able to get

658
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:02.119
vibes about certain people that around you. Perhaps.

659
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:08.159
Yeah, I think some of my own personal like like

660
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:11.440
social anxieties or things like that, like mental.

661
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.679
Health stuff, tend to get in the way of like

662
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.199
when I'm around other people, I don't feel as sensitive

663
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.079
to you know them. I think I can pick up on,

664
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.159
you know, whether I think someone's being honest or authentic

665
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.639
with me, but I definitely don't pick up on you know.

666
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.719
I don't claim to have any specific like gifts, I

667
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:38.000
guess if that makes sense. But based off of you know,

668
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:42.159
reading about the different types like Claire Buoyance or whatever,

669
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.239
things like that, a lot of my experiences have been audible,

670
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.559
and I tend to hear things that people other people don't,

671
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.199
and so if anything kind of leans more towards like

672
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:57.599
the Claire audience side of things, but I don't like

673
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.559
claim any of those as a label.

674
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:05.639
If yeah, that's really interesting. So you never have like

675
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.800
year around so when who don't know and it's like, oh,

676
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.639
I feel like I was really should talk to them

677
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.320
for some reason and nothing like that.

678
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.199
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't had that. I mean, I'll

679
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:19.199
be drawn towards people if I feel like they give

680
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.039
off good energy or good vibes or whatever you want

681
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:26.599
to call it. But I tend to think like I

682
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.079
just end up stumbling upon like being at the right

683
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.360
place at the right time and meeting people like I

684
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.599
actually view the festival as kind of that, because that

685
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.000
was the first time I attended one of those things,

686
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.920
and I was a little nervous to get out there

687
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.280
and you know, be put myself. I don't I don't

688
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.679
go out too much and I've got a pretty small

689
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.880
circle and just kind of do my thing. So getting

690
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:55.280
out in the public or bigger events sometimes can like

691
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.719
I can talk myself out of going, but I made

692
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.519
myself go and it ended up being amazing.

693
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:06.400
So yeah, absolutely, Well thanks for thanks for backtracking a

694
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:12.719
little bit and going over some of the foundational stuff. So, yeah,

695
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.760
your we were last talking about the campsite incident in

696
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.119
your in your early twenties, and then.

697
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.119
Oh, I actually do have a little like side note

698
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:32.239
oka spin off experience to that. So I can't remember

699
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.920
what year that was, but so when I was around

700
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.559
like twenty one two, and that was probably in the springtime,

701
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.760
I want to say, like late spring or early summer.

702
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:45.599
But anyways, that following December, my parents were living in

703
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.239
central Oregon at the time, in Redmond, and we went

704
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.880
to their house around Christmas time, and my brother and

705
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:57.480
I and one of my good friends at the time,

706
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:03.440
we decided to go hike at Rock and we instead

707
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.599
of going up and over you know, the big rock stuff,

708
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.480
like kind of the main trail, I forget what the

709
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.599
actual trail name is called, but there's also you can

710
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.639
kind of go down to the left and just follow

711
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.400
down along the flat canyon area. So we decided to

712
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.320
do that one and I was telling them the story

713
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:29.440
about the rock throwing the Spruce Run campground and we're

714
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.559
in like a single file line. My brother's leading my

715
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:34.519
friends in the middle and then I'm in the back,

716
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.719
and at the time, no one was like around us.

717
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:40.920
I think we were on a part of the trail

718
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.559
that maybe other people weren't either at yet or just

719
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.639
wasn't like a high traffic time. It was just mostly

720
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:49.679
felt like it was us. We didn't pass that many people.

721
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:53.320
So anyways, I'm like kind of telling this story as

722
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:57.079
we're walking along, and my friend in the middle just

723
00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:59.199
asked me, like, you know, I can't remember how she

724
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.199
worded it, but she was essentially asking me if I

725
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.559
thought that there was something more to them, like intelligence

726
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:12.360
or you know, stranger about them, something like more complex,

727
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:18.239
and you know, I immediately answered with like, yeah, definitely,

728
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.880
like that was kind of where I was leaning towards.

729
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:29.440
And right after I said yes, absolutely, I we heard

730
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:34.480
this PLoP right behind us and we turn around and

731
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:41.000
this like flat, larger rock was thrown from somewhere and

732
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.639
was just dropped perfectly centered in the path behind us

733
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.159
like we had just walked through there. We knew that

734
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.920
that rock wasn't there before, and we all heard like

735
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.280
the PLoP of it landing behind us, and I turned

736
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.920
around and saw it, and we all looked at each

737
00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:00.920
other and they're like that was weird, and we look around.

738
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.239
I think there was to our right more of like

739
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.039
a big rock face wall, So there was nobody, you know,

740
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.480
on our right, and then on our left was like

741
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:12.599
a moving kind of little like ravine area and the

742
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:14.800
water was kind of loud. But on the opposite side

743
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.840
of the running water there is another trail, but it's

744
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:22.400
a little bit farther out and there's nothing but you know,

745
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:26.719
like maybe knee hide rocks and sage brush, And there

746
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.559
was nobody over there. And we looked in front of us,

747
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.960
behind us, and no one was around us at that time.

748
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.559
But also even if somebody did throw, like a human

749
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.199
throw a rock from the other side, that water was

750
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.159
pretty loud, and I couldn't imagine that from there that

751
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.679
they could really hear us that well. And like the

752
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.519
story I was telling and just the timing of it

753
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:55.000
was really interesting. So that felt almost like a confirmation

754
00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.920
to when I answered that question to her, I was like, oh,

755
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.400
that was funny. Yeah, So that was just a little

756
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.159
kind of spin off of that story, just the timing

757
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:10.719
and everything.

758
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.760
So it's so weird because I've had multiple interviews recently

759
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.719
and some of them have gotten really deep, and there

760
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.280
have been other people that have said a similar variant

761
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.440
of what you just said, where it's like they were

762
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.239
saying something in the exact second after they stopped saying it,

763
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:33.440
there was some physical like something fell or a tree

764
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:37.159
was pushed over. That's a wild way. Yeah, it's a

765
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.119
very interesting thing that you just mentioned, because it's something

766
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.679
that I'm starting to hear from other people that are

767
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:48.679
also very open to certain things like you are saying. So,

768
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.400
don't know if there's a connection there.

769
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:54.199
But yeah, I think I don't know. I mean, just

770
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:57.599
based off of my own experience, that's kind of where

771
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.440
my head leads and what I to theorize, But of

772
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.480
course we all have our own individual experiences. During that

773
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.039
time too, I was listening to and watching different YouTube

774
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.440
channels where I was kind of learning more about people's

775
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.800
encounters and things more beyond just like the flesh and

776
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.079
blood idea of them. So that was kind of already

777
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.719
on my mind, and it seemed like once I would

778
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.599
learn something new and I was like exposed to a

779
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:31.039
new idea or like maybe thing that people assumed that

780
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.960
they did, like rock throwing or the tree knocky and

781
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:35.960
all that stuff. It was like as soon as I

782
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.239
had read or listened to something that talked about it

783
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:47.599
I would experience it or yeah, like encounter that, so

784
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.440
and I kind of I always lead back to the

785
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:56.360
idea that, you know, we kind of we tend to

786
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.159
perceive things based off of what we know. You know,

787
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.880
It's like if you don't know that something is a

788
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.880
possibility or exists, it's like your brain might not pick

789
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.719
up on that or even see it, like you'd walk

790
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:11.000
right past it, or you'd chalk it up to a

791
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:15.960
bird making a noise or whatever. So yeah, just trying

792
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:20.559
to like learn and listen to more people's encounters makes

793
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.000
me want to get out and kind of try to

794
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:24.360
experience more things.

795
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:31.800
I think. I think there's something to that, definitely. Yeah, Yeah,

796
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.320
I think when you're you're studying different things like this,

797
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.599
you are going to be familiar with certain things that

798
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.400
if you had just heard a weird bird in the

799
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.480
woods that didn't really sound like a bird, you'd probably

800
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:48.920
think that's just a weird bird. But then yeah, if

801
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:53.079
you're maybe familiar with bigfoot stuff, you might be thinking

802
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.039
some other stuff too. So I totally get it. You

803
00:48:56.119 --> 00:49:01.400
also had some some things happen after that, correct, Yes.

804
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:05.159
It's kind of my most recent experience that I had

805
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:10.320
and again it's a more like audible experience, but it

806
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.639
was my first time going out with kind of the

807
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:20.840
newer knowledge and ideas and possibilities about them. And after

808
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.280
learning that, I had been wanting to go out and

809
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:29.719
find an area where I could try to maybe i'd

810
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.840
like people use the word hapituation now I think I

811
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.840
learned that from listening to your podcast, but basically something

812
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:38.719
like that where I'd go and i'd try to bring

813
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.639
gifts and see if I could, you know, maybe stir

814
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:46.880
things up. And the other thing, too was the method

815
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.960
of people going out and just talking out loud in

816
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:56.480
the woods. And it felt very strange to me to

817
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.639
like try to do that, and you know, I kind

818
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.079
of laughed at myself or felt for doing it. But

819
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:03.840
that was kind of my intention, was to go out

820
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:08.400
and find a spot and try those things. And at

821
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.360
the time I was living in Venitas before I moved

822
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:14.239
out to Cottage Grove, I was twenty nine, so this

823
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:19.599
was spring of twenty twenty three, and I decided to

824
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:24.960
head west towards like the sayus Law National Forest. And

825
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.719
I was driving around for quite a while and nothing

826
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.760
was really you know, popping out or there wasn't like

827
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:36.360
the perfect turnoff the area. And I wasn't really sure

828
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.039
exactly what I was looking for. I just kind of

829
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.440
you know, winging it. And then I noticed this gate

830
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:48.320
that's blocking off this cement bridge, and I noticed it

831
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.280
was going over the bridge was you know, over the

832
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.400
sayus Law River. So I decided to just pull out,

833
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:55.599
and I was like, oh, I just want to see

834
00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.639
the water and maybe experienced in like nice nature spot

835
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:03.760
for a second. So I just got out and took

836
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:06.480
a break and parked my car in front of the gate,

837
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:12.280
and I walk around the gate and onto the bridge,

838
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:16.480
and there's a bunch of like old leaf debris, pine needles,

839
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:18.920
you know, like little twigs and stuff that had fallen,

840
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.440
and so I could tell that it wasn't like they

841
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.639
hadn't used. I assumed it was kind of like leading

842
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:31.119
towards like a logging operation road or something, but didn't

843
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:33.599
seem like anyone had driven across it for a while.

844
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:35.920
And then on the opposite side was kind of some

845
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:41.119
overgrown grass that maybe had old tire mark tread lines.

846
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.440
But yeah, So I start walking on the bridge and

847
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.159
I get about like five or six feet in and

848
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.880
I hear this knock from underneath the bridge, but it

849
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:58.000
sounded metallic, like something knocked on. Like the first thing

850
00:51:58.000 --> 00:51:59.880
that popped in my head was like the metal so

851
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.239
port of beam underneath or something like that. And because

852
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:08.760
it definitely came from below me, and it was definitely

853
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.559
like a tin kind of knocking sound, and I stopped

854
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.960
and listened for a second and was like, hm, maybe

855
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.239
that was just kind of something settling and making a noise.

856
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.280
I don't know, So I kept walking. I stopped in

857
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:29.360
the middle for a second, and then I continued towards

858
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.840
the other end of the bridge, and just before I

859
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.760
reached the end of the bridge on the opposite side,

860
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:39.760
I heard it again, except funny enough, it didn't sound

861
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:44.119
like a perfect little knock. It sounded like something tried

862
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:48.800
to slap the metal beam or whatever it was with

863
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.840
like its finger, and like didn't hit it just right,

864
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.360
so it was like it didn't come out. It was

865
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.960
like quieter, and it almost sounded like a misfire knock,

866
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:03.440
if that makes sense. I don't know, because I don't know,

867
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:05.639
And maybe that was intentional the way it sounded, But

868
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.639
it sounded to me like I could hear the like

869
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.119
fingers smacking it, but not as you know, loud as

870
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:17.599
they intended to kind of thing. And then I so

871
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:20.880
at that point I was like, Okay, that's weird those noises.

872
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:25.199
And I started to walk very quietly, like as quiet

873
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:28.159
as I could, across the debris back to my car

874
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.679
in case, you know, I had the idea of like, oh,

875
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:33.000
maybe there's a person under there, I should maybe be

876
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.159
conscious of that. And you know, I'm a girl out

877
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:37.000
in the woods out here all by myself without any

878
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:41.320
cell phone service. So I slowly start to walk back

879
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:44.599
towards my car and when I hit almost the end

880
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:50.079
of the bridge again, it happens and it's another more

881
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.360
of a knock sound, but it was even quieter, so

882
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:56.760
I couldn't And at this point I think I was

883
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.079
recording on my phone and I tried to pick it up,

884
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:04.199
but I it didn't pick up the knocking noises. And

885
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.559
then I'm standing at my car and thinking, you know,

886
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.800
if it was a person that I was trying to

887
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.960
like scare me out of here, there'd probably be more

888
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.880
noises than just the knocking, you know, I maybe if

889
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:20.800
they were trying to really get me out of this area.

890
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.320
And then I had the idea of like, oh, maybe

891
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.559
those were you know, like knocks to tell me that

892
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.920
I found a spot, you know, like maybe that's what

893
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:36.800
that just was. I don't know, so, and I didn't

894
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.639
feel in danger or anything, like, It's really peaceful out there.

895
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.599
So I decided to just go back on the bridge

896
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:48.119
and grab my phone and to lean over the edge

897
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.159
of the bridge in the middle and to try to

898
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.159
record with my camera like both sides underneath to see

899
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:58.440
if somebody or something was down there. So I like

900
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.639
really carefully grabbed my phone, just like really hoping I

901
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:04.880
wasn't about to, you know, drop it in the water,

902
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.559
and I pan it from one side to the other

903
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.320
and pull it back up, open my camera roll and look,

904
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.280
and there's nothing down there, Like there's nobody, and the

905
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.800
water's fairly high. There's like a little bit of a

906
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.360
ledge where somebody could stand, but it's kind of steep,

907
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:27.440
so I couldn't imagine someone hiding under there without you know,

908
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:31.559
struggling with balance, and you know, it's kind of like

909
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:34.639
that clay type soil too, so it'd be kind of slick,

910
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:38.920
and I just I couldn't imagine how someone would be

911
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:44.000
down there hanging out. But and then there was a

912
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.320
lot of overgrown brush on both sides. I'm sure you

913
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.000
could kind of move your way down there underneath the bridge,

914
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.840
but there was no obvious, like even game trail leading

915
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.960
down there, and you'd make quite a bit of noise

916
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.159
walking around in it. There's just like a lot of

917
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:03.559
crunchy leave and little twigs on the ground. So aside

918
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:07.440
from the knox, I didn't hear anything else, so I

919
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:11.199
kind of just said, Okay, maybe that was confirmation that

920
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.159
I found my spot. So I went back to my

921
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:20.639
car and I grabbed some gifts quote unquote, I just

922
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.920
kind of brought like I had some old stones or

923
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:28.800
crystals that I didn't really need anymore, and I think

924
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:33.719
I grabbed a couple of seashells, and then I had

925
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:38.679
apples and ausie bites, which are really good. They're kind

926
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:41.440
of like a healthy snack or whatever. I just kind

927
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:44.880
of grabbed things that I had at home, and I

928
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:49.639
decided to set them on kind of the ledge on

929
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:54.199
the side of the bridge there, and then I was like, Okay,

930
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:56.239
I guess now would be a good time for me

931
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:59.599
to attempt to talk out loud if there's like anything

932
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.960
out here. So I start talking out loud and I

933
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:09.320
feel totally ridiculous, and I'm doing this from so I Yeah,

934
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.039
I went back on the bridge and I'm standing in

935
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:14.480
the middle of the bridge kind of talking in the

936
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:18.320
direction of my car and the road and that direction.

937
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:24.039
And as I'm talking, I just kind of like introduced

938
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:30.519
myself and I was like, I you know that I

939
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:35.280
believe in them existing out here, and that you know

940
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.679
that it's hard for me to be out in the

941
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:43.119
woods by myself because I had an idea I had

942
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.159
to like just be authentic, and so I was like,

943
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:49.760
I'm a little bit fearful, So this is like a

944
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.559
lot for me to come out in the woods alone.

945
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.239
And you know, it just was kind of silly. I

946
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:57.159
cut out that part of my recording because I can't

947
00:57:57.320 --> 00:57:59.880
like listen back to it. It just sounds ridiculous. But

948
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.880
as I was talking, I just got this really strong

949
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.119
just I guess the best I can explain it is

950
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:13.840
like my whole body was just like zinging, just like

951
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:16.440
I don't even know if I would call it like

952
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:19.639
vibration or something. It just felt like my whole almost

953
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:24.840
like an adrenaline rush, and it felt like something was

954
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.880
very close and like listening to me and it was

955
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.960
just all over, like my whole body just took over

956
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:36.199
and this like feeling of like I don't I don't

957
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:39.400
even know how to really describe it. I had never

958
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:43.519
felt anything that strong before, and it took me off

959
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:47.039
guard and I had to kind of like take a

960
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:52.159
deep breath and nothing. I wasn't hearing anything around me.

961
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:57.760
I just had that moment of feeling that you know,

962
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:03.000
physical sensation. And so it was also getting dark at

963
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:06.280
this point. The sun wasn't fully set yet, but there's

964
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.760
a lot of tree canopy, so as it was starting

965
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:12.400
to move that direction, it got darker and darker pretty quick,

966
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:16.119
and I didn't think I was ready to be in

967
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:19.400
the dark in the woods by myself. So I was like,

968
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.199
I better wrap this up, and you know, I'm not

969
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:25.800
hearing anything. And in the moment, I didn't really take

970
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:30.519
very seriously the physical sensation that I felt. I just

971
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:35.639
tried to kind of move through it. And so but

972
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:39.920
in my recording, I I after I was done talking,

973
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:42.920
I was trying to wrap it up, and I kind

974
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.519
of dorkishly said like, oh, like, you live in a

975
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:52.079
really beautiful place, and then I took this big like sigh,

976
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:57.199
like trying to calm myself down, and right after I

977
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:01.159
took that big exhale, something in the wood across the

978
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:05.159
road in front of my car let out what sounded

979
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.639
to me in the moment like a really deep sigh,

980
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:13.719
and it was very loud, and it completely caught me

981
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:19.199
off guard because it sounded, I mean, it sounded perfectly

982
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:23.159
like a sigh, almost like it mimicked my sigh. And

983
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:27.440
I even heard pitch changed, like it was like a who,

984
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.639
like you heard three tones change. Of course, I can't

985
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:35.840
do it justice, but it I just I was in shock,

986
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:42.719
and weirdly enough I recognized. I mean, you can't say

987
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:48.760
you recognize the voice, but like I've listened to stuff

988
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:53.000
from like a lot of audio from Sasquatch, Ontario or

989
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.800
Mike I can't think of his last name, but the

990
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:02.000
like the tone of the the voice or sound, I

991
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.760
guess it reminded me a lot like that like that.

992
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:06.679
At the moment I heard it, it like clicked in

993
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.000
my brain. It was like that was one of them.

994
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:14.639
And I immediately just like my stomach dropped and I

995
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:18.360
was just kind of in shock and I was like,

996
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:22.360
oh crap, Like that came from closer to where my

997
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.920
car is, and I have to walk that direction and

998
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.760
it's getting really dark now, like I'm I'm scared, and

999
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:33.639
so I just out loud said like okay, like thank you,

1000
01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:36.719
I need to walk back to my car now, so

1001
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.639
if you could please just give me some space. And

1002
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:42.960
so I just like my whole body is now shaking

1003
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:46.800
out of fear, and I'm like trembling, and I'm walking

1004
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:50.119
back to my car and I get in the car

1005
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:52.199
and I lock the door and I turned on my

1006
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.400
car and immediately just start leaving because I couldn't handle it.

1007
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:58.760
It was such a weird physical reaction, like my hands

1008
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:03.000
are on the steering wheel and just like like shaking.

1009
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.599
I couldn't calm myself down. I was like okay, like

1010
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:11.400
it's okay, We're in the car. It's safe, and you know,

1011
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.519
like realizing, you know, you kind of asked for this,

1012
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:15.599
this is what we came out here to experience. But

1013
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:21.119
I just I didn't expect such a physical reaction to it.

1014
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.760
And I really didn't think about that part of this

1015
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:29.079
experience until I started listening to like more things on

1016
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:37.119
your podcast or some other people and listening or hearing

1017
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:41.760
other people mention the physical reactions or yeah, response is

1018
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:46.679
that they get from interactions. That was a piece that

1019
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:52.079
I never really thought about, I guess, but yeah, that

1020
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:53.840
I just kind of took away from it. You know.

1021
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.360
I had the recording and I shared it with like

1022
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.400
my mom and my sister. But of course it does

1023
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.920
not do it justice because it's so I was on

1024
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:06.639
the bridge with my phone recording and this thing. I'm

1025
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:09.679
not good at judging distance as far as like, you know,

1026
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:12.039
how many feet away, but you know, I was in

1027
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:14.960
the middle of the bridge and then there's the gate,

1028
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:18.280
my car a road, and then it was a little

1029
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:20.800
set back in the woods, just on the other side

1030
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:25.280
of the car or on the other side of the road,

1031
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:28.679
and so it's a lot quieter, and I had to

1032
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:32.239
kind of try to enhance the recording, and it sounds

1033
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.679
I called it the siuse law who because in the

1034
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:40.920
recording it sounds almost like a who instead of a sigh.

1035
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:45.360
But in person, I heard like it seemed so much

1036
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:50.039
more drawn out, like a longer sound, and I heard

1037
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.159
the pitch tone like three times. Like it doesn't do

1038
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:58.079
it justice. But anyways, I have the recording of it,

1039
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:01.840
and it was the most intense thing I think I've

1040
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.599
experienced the date, and I've been a little too afraid

1041
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:09.079
to go back by myself since then. But I want

1042
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.719
to muster up the courage to go back out there,

1043
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:14.800
because that's what I was hoping for. It's just you

1044
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:18.400
just don't expect yourself, you know. It's like until you

1045
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:22.320
experience something like more than you ever thought you would,

1046
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.199
it's like it just doesn't really set in that, you know,

1047
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:28.960
how that can affect you, and trying to like overcome

1048
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.880
the fearful side of it and stay calm and collected,

1049
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:39.920
or to return even and try to experience more. So, yeah,

1050
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:40.800
it's kind of wild.

1051
01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:45.400
That's that's absolutely wild. Then it's another example of where

1052
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:51.320
something responded to you almost immediately, which is really really cool. Yeah.

1053
01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:52.840
Yeah, I didn't think about it that way.

1054
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.960
But yeah, is that the audio that you had sent

1055
01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:56.559
over to me?

1056
01:04:58.119 --> 01:04:58.840
Yes? It is?

1057
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.639
Should we should we try to put it in? Are

1058
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:03.280
you okay with that?

1059
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:05.199
Yeah?

1060
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.679
Totally fine. Maybe just like heads up to people if

1061
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:11.280
they have hadphones on the white noise can be a

1062
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:15.599
little bit loud, but yeah, yeah, go for it.

1063
01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:19.199
Yeah, good call on that. I'm gonna play it through

1064
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.800
three times. It's it's quick, but you can always rewind

1065
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:34.159
as well. So here we go. Man, knowing the context

1066
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:37.880
of that sound now is incredible just thinking of the

1067
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:39.039
story you just told.

1068
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:45.440
Wow, it was. Yeah. When I listened to that audio,

1069
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.719
I'm like, because it just doesn't do it justice. You know.

1070
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:49.920
I had to like I have to like sit in

1071
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.239
my brain and think, Okay, this is how it sounded

1072
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:55.320
in the moment, like remember that because that well, just

1073
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.519
thinking about that will give me chills. And I even

1074
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:01.519
you know, I didn't have phone service out there, but

1075
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.719
I found a single bar. On the drive home. I

1076
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:06.280
couldn't make it home before I had to call my

1077
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:08.719
mom and I told her what happened. And as I

1078
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:14.079
was telling her, I got like emotional, which was so weird,

1079
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:16.360
like it just popped up out of nowhere, Like I

1080
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.639
just started getting emotional, like and it wasn't really the fear.

1081
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:24.000
It just like I think I was in just complete shock.

1082
01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:26.840
And it was like things I've heard, you know, through

1083
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.920
other people that put out content or whatever, and it

1084
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:34.039
was like I heard that in real life. And I

1085
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.320
think I was just in awe that that happened to me.

1086
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:41.679
It seems like something that very few people get to

1087
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.199
hear and yeah, I was just in shock.

1088
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:55.199
It is. It's very strange when as humans we you know,

1089
01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:59.559
start to look for certain things. And maybe there's old

1090
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.519
saying that has been said to me over the last

1091
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.159
few years and maybe even you too, where it's like,

1092
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:09.199
be careful what you wish for. When that actually when

1093
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.000
things start to change and you start to experience things,

1094
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:16.559
it is a thing where it gets you get very

1095
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.559
emotional and it is hard to deal with, especially in

1096
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:24.840
the moment. I had some things happen out in Oakridge,

1097
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:30.880
and it's really hard to control how you respond in

1098
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.599
that moment. So yeah, I totally I totally get it.

1099
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:38.079
Yeah, and it can take you there, Yeah, it can

1100
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:42.719
take you off guard. And I think it might have

1101
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:46.800
even been in like Tobe's book or an interview he

1102
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.559
was saying. But someone that he went out with and

1103
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:53.440
they were trying to walk in the direction of a sound,

1104
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:56.119
and this guy he was with was typically kind of

1105
01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:59.079
like a tough manly man, and how he just like

1106
01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:02.079
was immediately just had so much fear rush over him,

1107
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:04.760
almost to the point of tears, and he was like upset,

1108
01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.159
and I was like, oh my gosh, that's I mean.

1109
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:10.920
I wasn't like upset, but I was just the same thing,

1110
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:14.639
and I was like, oh, other people are experiencing like

1111
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:18.199
physical reactions to this, and that's just the side of

1112
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:24.479
it that I didn't really think about before. So it's yeah, really.

1113
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:28.880
Interesting having experienced that. Now, what is your viewpoint towards

1114
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:32.199
that area? Is it that you want to go back

1115
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:35.079
a lot or be like man, maybe maybe.

1116
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:41.159
Not, or I do. The timing was a little bit

1117
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:44.000
unfortunate because I just kind of started a new career

1118
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:49.319
and then I moved also down to Cottage Grove. So

1119
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:53.479
at the time I was only like, probably I was

1120
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.159
less than an hour away from the spot, and now

1121
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:59.159
I'm probably more like an hour and a half hour

1122
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:03.439
and forty five minutes. It's so it's not as easy

1123
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:06.680
to access, like time wise and stuff for me. But

1124
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:08.720
I want to make a point to go back out

1125
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.560
there because I felt like, you know, I didn't feel

1126
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.159
like I was in danger or anything. I just knew

1127
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.920
it was my own fear bubbling up to the service.

1128
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:20.800
So a part of me also wanted to work on

1129
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:23.560
trying to I don't know how I could do that,

1130
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.560
but other than just getting out there, but trying to

1131
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:30.720
work on, you know, staying I guess grounded and not

1132
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:34.720
let my emotions, you know, take over and make me

1133
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:37.199
want to leave sort of a thing. But I know

1134
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:40.199
I would love to go out there and continue like

1135
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:48.520
gifting and maybe trying to car camp overnight there. And

1136
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:50.800
I'm not opposed to like bringing a friend with me

1137
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:53.760
or like I've been back out there since then with

1138
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:58.119
my mom, and I brought my sister out there one time,

1139
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:05.800
and we've heard some interesting stuff. But like I tend

1140
01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:08.920
to not mention this one as much because of course

1141
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:12.439
it's easy to you know, our brains can sometimes see

1142
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:14.680
things or mess with us a little bit. But then

1143
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:16.520
one of the nights I brought my mom back up

1144
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.039
there with me, and it was dark, but there was

1145
01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:24.119
a little bit of moonlight kind of shining through, you know,

1146
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:26.800
the forest a little bit. And we're standing out there

1147
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:29.880
and I'm looking in the direction of this, like I

1148
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:33.680
can see the outline of like this big trunk tree,

1149
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:38.159
and just to the right of it, I'm like squinting

1150
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:40.680
my eyes and looking because I notice like a shape

1151
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:44.760
and I just perfectly see like this head shoulders and

1152
01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:49.279
then straight down and I'm looking and I'm like, there's no way,

1153
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.680
like I think my mind's playing tricks on me, because

1154
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:57.640
if that is something, it is massive, like really big,

1155
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:02.960
and it's not very That was probably less than fifty

1156
01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.880
feet from us. If I was guessing, I'm not the

1157
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:09.039
best of that. But and so I didn't say anything

1158
01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:11.000
to my mom. I just said, hey, can we go

1159
01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.880
sit in the car for a second, because in case

1160
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:18.560
it was something, I instantly just got freaked out. And

1161
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:21.279
then we sat in the car and listened for a bit.

1162
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:23.960
I calmed down and I was like, Okay, I'm going

1163
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.439
to get back out, like I'm trying to kind of recentered.

1164
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:28.680
And I go back to that same spot and I

1165
01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:31.880
look for that tree in that spot where I saw

1166
01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:37.439
a head and shoulders. There was nothing there. It was

1167
01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:40.159
like an open spot back lit by the moonlight, and

1168
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.079
there was so in that moment, I was like, Okay,

1169
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:46.479
maybe I did see the silhouette of something there, but

1170
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:49.720
I can't be totally for sure if my eyes were

1171
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:52.880
just adjusting in playing tricks. But I was almost certain

1172
01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:56.079
that I saw a silhouette there.

1173
01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.439
And I mean, that's the other weird thing, because it's

1174
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:03.439
like we get to the point where we're like we

1175
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:05.920
want to see stuff like that, but then when it happened,

1176
01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:11.439
we're like our logic side tries to kick in really

1177
01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:14.399
hard and it's like, yeah, there's no way that this

1178
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:16.880
is actually happening. It's got to be this or it's

1179
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:21.319
got to be a bear. And it gets really really weird,

1180
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:24.039
that back and forth between what I call like the

1181
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.479
logical side and the bigfoot side.

1182
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:30.760
Just yeah, yeah, because it's good to keep that, but like, yeah,

1183
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.520
it can become kind of a gray area sometimes.

1184
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:40.039
So your mom didn't didn't say anything, though, sounds like.

1185
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:45.079
She no. She heard some you know, we'd hear like

1186
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.119
stick breaks and sounds like something walking around us in

1187
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:52.079
the woods. But she got creeped out because in the

1188
01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:56.800
distance we actually heard bard owls and I don't know

1189
01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:01.239
if you've heard them go off, but they almost sound

1190
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:05.399
a little bit like a monkey, and it sounded like

1191
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:09.079
babies in a nest and I instantly knew what it

1192
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:11.600
was when it went off. But that freaked her out,

1193
01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:13.800
and she's like, what is that? Like I and I

1194
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.279
tried to tell her. I was like it's okay, like

1195
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:17.840
those are barred out, and she went and sat in

1196
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.159
the car for a minute. But she was able to

1197
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:24.159
like come back out and hang out for a bit.

1198
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:27.640
And she's she's fun to go and listen with. She'll

1199
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:29.520
just kind of be quiet and listen to all the

1200
01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:34.359
sounds with me. And yeah, she's a fun one to

1201
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:36.279
go big fitting with.

1202
01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:39.680
And so this is a this is a pretty recent thing.

1203
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:43.600
So this is like now we're we're pretty much this

1204
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:45.000
this all is happening current day.

1205
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:50.159
It sounds like, yeah, I have I think the last

1206
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:54.199
time I went out was maybe in May, and I

1207
01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:55.960
just wanted to go out there and see if like

1208
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:58.640
the area had changed. And I have a dog now,

1209
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:03.000
so I brought my dog out with me and nothing,

1210
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:04.680
you know, it kind of looked the same. It looked

1211
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.319
like they were utilizing that road again because the bridge

1212
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:12.479
was totally cleaned off, but the gate was still closed.

1213
01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:15.680
And then I didn't really pick up on any noises

1214
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:18.760
out there, and I think that's pretty normal for the daytime.

1215
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.119
It's just kind of like the bird sounds. But no,

1216
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:26.640
my plan is to maybe do an overnight car camp

1217
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:28.479
out there if I can make it, and I'll probably

1218
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:31.920
bring a friend with me just so that I'm not

1219
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.760
like as easily freaked out and try to work on that.

1220
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.960
It feels a little safer when you're camping in your

1221
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:39.119
car versus a tent.

1222
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:42.520
Right, But yeah, I think that's a smart idea too, definitely,

1223
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.600
just to have that other person with you. Does your

1224
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.279
dog react in any weird ways? When you're out there

1225
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:53.039
with the dog, he'll perk.

1226
01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:56.840
Up to sounds and things, but he didn't out there.

1227
01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:59.520
He was just kind of more interested in sniffing around.

1228
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:03.119
And there was a moment where he was kind of

1229
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:06.039
looking across the other side of the bridge towards like

1230
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:10.199
the woods that way, and he was focused on something

1231
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:12.720
for a minute, and I kind of watched over there

1232
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.319
with him, but I didn't see anything, and I didn't

1233
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.119
hear anything, But maybe he was picking up on stuff

1234
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:24.800
that I just couldn't see or hear. But yeah, another

1235
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.399
time I've been there, I actually heard this sound. It

1236
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:32.039
was the daytime, just sitting on the bridge from like

1237
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:36.840
almost below us. It kind of sounded like it's a

1238
01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:40.359
weird thing to hear, but like I literally pictured it

1239
01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.039
in my head as I listened to it. It was

1240
01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:45.680
another metallic sound, but it sounded like somebody had put

1241
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:50.760
rocks inside of a like metal cage kind of thing,

1242
01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:54.720
like a you know, kind of a woven mesh metal

1243
01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:57.439
cage thing and we're just like shaking it almost like

1244
01:15:57.479 --> 01:15:59.520
a Morocca kind of thing where you just heard like

1245
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:04.279
the but like rocks falling into each other and stuff

1246
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:06.159
inside of it, is what it sounded like to me.

1247
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:09.439
I heard it three times and I thought that was

1248
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:14.920
a peculiar kind of out of place sound. But yeah,

1249
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:18.359
I don't know what that was. And there weren't other

1250
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.720
people around us. We were just pretty much just us

1251
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:22.560
and the birds out.

1252
01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:29.560
There, So that is very interesting. You mentioned you're done

1253
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:34.920
in Cottage Grove. Have you ever talked to Tobe about

1254
01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:37.399
any places you might be able to check out down

1255
01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:40.479
there in Cottage Grove? Since who's really really familiar with it.

1256
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:48.479
Yeah, definitely. And Jeff two, I'm just like my time

1257
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:54.000
is like tends to be limited to the weekends, and

1258
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:56.520
Jeff and I have actually gone out into the woods

1259
01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:59.720
and we haven't had too much happen. We did kind

1260
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.840
of a a daytime trip out into the woods and

1261
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:07.439
we did an evening I think it was last Sunday,

1262
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.760
and it's kind of just turned into us like sharing

1263
01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:14.359
our own personal stories and you know, talking about the topics.

1264
01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:19.720
But hopefully, like you know some we'll get some stuff

1265
01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:23.439
down the line, but I just I'm limited because I

1266
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:26.760
drive like a Prius and so my car does not

1267
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:31.720
really handle some of the back roads that well. So

1268
01:17:32.079 --> 01:17:36.199
I kind of either have to like hitch a ride

1269
01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:39.039
and line it up with one of them or with

1270
01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:42.600
Jeff or wait till I have kind of a four

1271
01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:46.880
wheel drive option. But yeah, and I plan on making

1272
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:51.680
it too. Tobes putting together that the Olympic Strange Days.

1273
01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:55.079
I don't know if you've heard about that, but I'm

1274
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:58.720
planning to attend that as long as I can find

1275
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:04.039
either hitch a ride or or find a rig that

1276
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:08.039
I could drive, because those roads get pretty gnarly. But yeah,

1277
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:11.199
planning to get out into the woods more and kind

1278
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:14.720
of just dive a little deeper into all of this

1279
01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:16.880
because it's, you know, when I have my free time,

1280
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:18.680
that's what I want to be doing.

1281
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:23.079
Alicia, thank you for coming on the show and sharing

1282
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:25.800
what you've experienced over the last few years. Definitely keep

1283
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:30.840
us in the loop with what goes on in the

1284
01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:34.479
future in this area that you've found. It sounds very

1285
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:37.159
interesting and there could be some really cool things that

1286
01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:37.840
happen from it.

1287
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:45.000
Yeah, definitely I will hopefully maybe in a year from

1288
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:49.000
now or something, I'll have plenty of activity or experiences

1289
01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:50.720
to share with you. Thank you.

1290
01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:54.920
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

1291
01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:58.199
around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I

1292
01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:01.079
would love to get out in those woods and experience

1293
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:05.600
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can.

1294
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:09.239
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

1295
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:14.199
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1296
01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:17.880
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

1297
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:22.079
even better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll

1298
01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:24.800
be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll

1299
01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:30.319
probably I'll say this, there may be stuff you haven't

1300
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:36.560
heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

1301
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:38.680
you just got to be there. We'll leave at that.

1302
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:41.479
More about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

1303
01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:46.680
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

1304
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:51.680
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

1305
01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:54.840
not only go to the festival, but you can also

1306
01:19:55.680 --> 01:20:02.399
sign up for a track Deep in the Wild Forest

1307
01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:07.199
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots

1308
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:11.119
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

1309
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up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed

1310
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.039
for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is

1311
01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:21.199
Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

1312
01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:24.439
It's just trust it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

1313
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To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

1314
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1316
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1317
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So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

1318
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:53.199
that you guys can can get a little a little

1319
01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:56.560
help with the costs there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope

1320
01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:59.840
to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year.

1321
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:03.199
We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk

1322
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:05.880
to so many people last year and the year before.

1323
01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:09.720
It is an incredible time. You're not going to want

1324
01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:14.000
to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we

1325
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:16.520
wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to

1326
01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:19.920
a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,

1327
01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:23.720
any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that

1328
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:26.600
no one can explain, or if you're a National park

1329
01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:29.920
ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

1330
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:33.760
or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down

1331
01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:36.359
on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a

1332
01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:40.319
federal agency, or working intelligence and you've stumbled upon something

1333
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:44.000
you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic,

1334
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:47.439
or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

1335
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:50.439
tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging

1336
01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:54.319
industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with

1337
01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:58.560
government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told.

1338
01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:03.520
A soul biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher

1339
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:07.319
under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1340
01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:10.319
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1341
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:13.840
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1342
01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.640
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1343
01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:21.039
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1344
01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:25.880
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1345
01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:31.159
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1346
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:34.039
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1347
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:40.000
carry alone and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1348
01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:44.199
We've got the mic see you in the woods. Thank

1349
01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:47.119
you for listening to this episode of The Bigfoot Society Podcast.

1350
01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:49.640
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1351
01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:52.800
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1352
01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:55.680
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1372
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