May 27, 2026

MIND SPEAK SASQUATCH SURROUNDS CAMPER IN THE ARKANSAS OZARKS | ARCHIVES

A witness spends five days alone in the Arkansas Ozarks… Then the footsteps begin. What starts as quiet movement outside a remote bushcraft shelter turns into constant surveillance from unseen beings moving through the trees around him day and...

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Season 1

A witness spends five days alone in the Arkansas Ozarks…


Then the footsteps begin.


What starts as quiet movement outside a remote bushcraft shelter turns into constant surveillance from unseen beings moving through the trees around him day and night. The sounds get closer. Vocalizations begin. Stones land near camp. Then something responds directly to his thoughts.


In this episode, Jackson shares a lifetime of encounters stretching from the swamps of Florida to the mountains of North Carolina and deep into the forests of Arkansas. He describes a face-to-face encounter with a towering Sasquatch beside a river near Boone, unexplained activity surrounding camp in the Ozarks, and Cherokee teachings about “the Sasquatch people” and Mind Speak communication.


This is one of the most intense wilderness encounter interviews ever featured on Bigfoot Society.


Originally released as Episode 515 on September 2, 2024.


If you listen late at night, you may not look at the woods the same way again.


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And I looked out across and I watched this medium

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sauce small medium saa sasquatch come down those small embankment

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into the canal, step through the canal, and then beck

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of the embankrant on the other side, and then it

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disappeared into the woods very quickly.

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You're listening to Bigflat Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, bick for Society at

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the privilege of talking to Jackson today. Jackson is an

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individual that's had some really interesting things happen over the year.

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He's an individual that left a YouTube comment on one

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of my episodes, and so I always try to reach

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out to individuals that leave a comment, and he was

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actually able to go ahead and contact me back thankfully.

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And Jackson, it's a pleasure to have you on the

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show today.

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Hey man, it's a pleasure to be here.

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I appreciate it absolutely. We were talking in the pre interview,

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and we are going to go to some really interesting

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places in this interview, but you know, I'm just going

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to go ahead and pass it right over to you

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and just kind of take us back to the beginning

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what we need to know and how it all started

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for you.

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Yeah, gotcha. So just to give you a little bit

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of background about me, I grew up in sort of

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like west central Florida, like near the Everglades, in a

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little area called the Golden Gate of States, which at

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the time was severely less built up than it is now.

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Talking road, my street that I lived on was like

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three and a half miles long and there was five

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houses on it, so you know, we were real spread apart,

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and there was a lot of dense woodland out there,

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a lot of canals intertwining and things like that. So

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my first, my first encounter ever actually happened in the

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woods about probably seven hundred and fifty meters from my house.

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There was a trail at the end of our road

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that me and the boys up the road.

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Used to ride for where there's on them things, And

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on one of these trails there was a big pile

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of crushed stone that they were probably going to use

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for some kind of some kind of home build or

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something on the canal, but it had been there for

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years and we would go out there and climb on

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it because there was little holes that the rattlesnakes would

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would nest in, and we would go up there looking

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for rattlesnake eggs after they'd hatched. To see you find

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any mpaggs. We were climbing up there one night, probably

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like five point thirty six o'clock in the afternoons, close

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to dinner time. Someone was about to go down, and

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myself and another boy named Michael, who was about two

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years older than me at the time, we were all

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the way at the top of the peak, which was

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probably thirty five foot up, and we were sitting up

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there talking and it was it was pretty quiet because

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the other boys were down below us, and we heard

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branches snapping, and he thought it was a bear, so

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he started sliding down the rock pile and I looked

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out across and just about probably one hundred and fifty

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meters maybe two hundred meters out there was the canal

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line and there was a very very brief siding, probably

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fifteen seconds total. But I watched this medium size, small,

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medium sized sasquatch come down the small embankment into the canal,

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stepped through the canal, and then back up the embankrant

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on the other side, and then it disappeared into the

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woods very quickly. And at the time I didn't know anything. Obviously,

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I was young. I was probably eight years old at

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the time, nine years old. I didn't know anything about sasquatch,

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and you know, I was a little bit shaken, but

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I was like, maybe it was a bear. You know,

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we'd had bear problems in the area, digging through trash

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and stuff.

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And I went home and I told my dad about it.

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Now, my dad was like ninety five percent Cherokee, and

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I told him about it, and I remember like his

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face going white. And then he sat me down that

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night because my mom worked shift, so it was just

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me and dad at home, and he sat me down

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that night and made me watch the Legend of Bulgy

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Creek and was asking me a bunch of questions like

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does this look like what you saw this? You know,

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the whole nine. And ironically enough, that was the only

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conversation that we had ever had regarding Sasquatch. And like

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I said, it was a brief, brief interaction, but that

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was the only one that I.

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Had for like three and a half four years.

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Somewhere around two thousand and four, two thousand and five,

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we moved from Florida to North Carolina. And when we

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uh when we moved there, we were living in like

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the Greensboro area, like a you know, a decent sized city,

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and I didn't get to get out and get in

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the woods as much as I liked too.

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And my dad and I decided at the like the

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end of two thousand and eight.

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To go out with summer in a few thousand and eight

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to go out and spend some time up in the

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mountains and go fishing and get a weekend away, get

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back to back to our roots, you know. So we

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had been there a couple of times before, visiting in

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North Carolina in the past, but we drove up to

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like the area just outside of Boone, North Carolina, and

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he rented a cabin from a guy in like the

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Penny Saver.

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That was sitting on the Watauga River river, which we had.

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Fished countless countless times before visiting, and I've fished hundreds

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of times since since then. Uh. But we were, you know,

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just outside of Boone, North Carolina, and the cabin was

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sitting like from a hill, and about fifty yards from

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the cabin was the tree line, and there was a

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trail through the trees that went down about another four

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hundred and fifty yards down the side of the hill

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that wound up at the river.

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And the spot of the river that we were at

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had a straight stretch.

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Of probably one hundred one hundred and fifty yards and

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then it turned into like into a wind that wound

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down the rest of the mountain side. And during this trip,

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the water was still kind of hot because we had

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recently had some good rain. But even at the water

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being high, it was only like two and a half

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three feet deep. We spent the entire weekend from we

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got there Friday afternoon, probably one point two o'clock in

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the afternoon, we unpacked, went straight to the river, and

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we fished the whole time, the whole day, and I

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did that every day up until Sunday morning. Sunday morning. Now,

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the whole time we were there, you know, I don't

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know about him because we never talked about it. One

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of my biggest regrets is never talking to him about it,

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because you know, I no longer can. But the whole

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time we were there, I had that feeling like somebody's

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looking at me the entire time while we were fishing,

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while we were at the cabin, the entire time. On

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top of that, every night, my you know, my dad

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was an older guy. He'd fell asleep early every night.

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He was one of those guys that went to sleep

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at nine, woke up at four point thirty, whether or

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not he had an alarm set, whether or not he.

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Had to work, he had that internal clock going.

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So he would go to bed and I'd be up,

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you know, either reading or watching TV or whatever the case.

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And usually around I think I think it was all

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three nights.

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It was around eleven thirty, twelve o'clock at night.

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Somewhere in there, maybe a little bit later, I would

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hear footsteps and breathing on the front porch of the cabin,

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and it was heavy footsteps. You know, I'm fairly certain

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that if a man had walked up on that porch,

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I probably would not have been able to hear it

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over the TV, but they were. It was loud enough

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that I could hear the footsteps on the ground outside

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before it got to the porch, and then it would

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stand on the porch, and then it would walk back

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and forth on the porch, and I could hear the

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heavy breathing. But there was no window on the front porch,

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so I could never see anything. It never touched the

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door or anything like that. It just stood out there

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and walked around. So Sunday morning, I woke up around

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i'd say nine thirty ten o'clock and my dad was

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making breakfast, and we ate breakfast, and he told me,

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you go down to the river, see if you can

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catch your limit, pack up and clean up the cab,

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and get ready for us to go because he had

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work on Monday morning. So I was probably eleven thirty

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when I walked out and went down to the to

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the water and I got down to the edge of

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the to the edge of the river, and I was

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fishing for like two hours maybe, and that whole time

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I still had that that feeling like os were on me.

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And it was so vivid that I like was casting

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and then looking around at the trees trying to figure

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out what was looking at me. I couldn't shake it,

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I couldn't ignore it. And it got to the point

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where I was like, something's out there, like even at

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you know, twelve, you know, eleven and a half, twelve

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years old at the time, probably in that in that

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range I could. I was still like, I feel like

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I got to talk to it. I don't know what

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it is, but something's out there. Somebody's out there looking

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at me. So at some point, you know, I say like, hey,

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I know you're there. I can, I can hear you,

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I can, I can feel you there, you know. And

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then probably forty five seconds later I get I get

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shaky just thinking about it right now. It's crazy. Forty

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five seconds to a minute later, I hear foots, heavy

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footsteps again like I did on the porch, but they

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were on the other side of the river from me,

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on the like on the upper side of the hill,

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because there was a big embankment, and I was hearing

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like brush moving and like twigs breaking under footfall. And

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at this point I've been in my in the woods

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all my life. I know what it sounds like when

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a deer is walking, and you can pretty much tell

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what it sounds like when a bear's walking. It's pretty

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much one hundred percent identifiable identifiability in my opinion. But

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this was not something I'd ever heard like this. And

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it stopped, and then out of the corner of my eye,

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as I was casting up the up the river a

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little bit, I kept seeing like a slight little bit

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of movement, and my heart was racing, and I didn't

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know what to think because I didn't know what it was.

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So I just said, I can I know you're up there,

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you might as well just come on out. And two

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minutes of dead silence, no movement, no nothing, and then

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out of the trees steps probably ten foot tall, this massive,

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like dark brown, almost jet black haired sasquatch, and he

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stepped out from behind the tree that he was hide

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and behind and walked straight down the embankment in two steps,

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which it was probably a ten to twelve foot in bankment.

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It was massive, and he steps onto like the river rock,

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like the pea gravel on the beach of the river,

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and just stood there and stared at me, and I

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tried my best to just keep fishing and like ignore

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it didn't have I didn't feel I didn't feel scared,

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I didn't feel afraid. I didn't know what its intentions were.

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So I just stood and fished and I waited, and

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at some point I gathered up the courage to kind

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of look at it again, and I turned and looked

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at it, and its head was kind of tilted looking

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at me, like trying to figure out what I was doing.

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And I got a really really good look at it.

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I was finally like able to make make full contact

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with it, full eye contact, and the in my head

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when I think about it is so vivid. It's there

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was a slight, slight crestle that like slight slope to

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the forehead. Not it wasn't crested like a lot of

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people say. It wasn't like a pointed soll, you know,

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like like a lot of a lot of people say.

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And it wasn't reddish brown like I feel like, uh

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ninety percent of experiences say the reddish brown.

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This thing was like almost jet black.

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It had gray hair on its chest and gray hair

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on its beard. And I mean when I say beard,

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I mean beard like it the face, the hair on

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the face had grown out and was like shaggy and

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was longer than the rest of its head, and it

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was starting to gray at the middle, and sa same

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with the chest. It was almost like a like a

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rough rounded diamond shape of gray hair jufted on the chest,

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and it's the skin on its face was almost almost

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blacklock leather.

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It was like a dark gray and it was oily,

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and the.

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Its nose was kind of flattened a little bit. It

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was very very human like, but it was it was

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flattened a little bit, and and I could tell it

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was I could tell very obviously if you understand what

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I'm saying, that it was a man like it was.

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It was definitely a male.

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There was no doubt about that.

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So I stared at this thing for like goby fifteen minutes,

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and I had on the way down, I had grabbed

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a broken twig TEUs as like a makeshift stringer, and

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I was holding trout that I had caught on it

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the whole time I was there, So I had like

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three or four trout on a stringer. They were just

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sitting in the water on the edge. And I stared

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at this and I couldn't fish anymore. Just all I

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could do was look at it. And at some point

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it got so comfortable with me being there that it

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just stopped staring at me, and it was doing things

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that any other person or preacher would be like he

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would scratch his chest periodically.

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Or like a fly would go by his face and

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he would slaught at the fly.

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And then after a few minutes of him just standing there,

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he looks back at me again, and then he makes

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this like almost like a yawn sound. I don't know

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how to how to describe it, really, but it was

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deep and guttural, but it wasn't aggressive. Then he walked

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to the edge of the water and he squatted down

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like Flavi E style, with his butt on.

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The heels of his feet, and reaches down into the.

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Water and starts scooping up water out of the river

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and drinking it out of the pan. He takes a

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few SIPs of water. He stands back up and he

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just looks back at me. And at this point, I'm like,

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I got to get out of here. I have no

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idea what's going on that now. So I grabbed the

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stringer out of the edge of the water, and I

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stop and I look at him, and I'm just holding

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my rod in one hand stringer on the other hand.

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I'm looking at him. He's looking at me, complete total

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eye contact. And he had these like dark emerald green,

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really bright eyes and they were huge. And I looked

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at him and I was like, you can have the wall.

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And I tossed the stringer onto the bank of the river,

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and I turned around and I started walking back up

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that trail and I got probably halfway between the trail,

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or between the river and the cabin on that trail

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when I heard his footsteps clunk through the water and

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then clunk right back through the water back to the

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other side. And then I heard his his footsteps crashing

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up the hillside. The entire thing probably lasted fifteen minutes.

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It was long.

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Fifteen minutes.

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Wow, Yeah, I mean I'm talking. I stood there for

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probably five ten minutes, still casting out into the water,

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as he just stood.

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There and watched me, trying to figure out.

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What I was doing.

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Do you can I jump in with some questions, absolutely? Yeah.

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Did what you saw there? Was it similar to what

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you remember as an eight year old in Florida?

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So what I saw when I was an eight year

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old in Florida was very it was it's very hard

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to make out because there was so much dench vegetation there,

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so like really what I was seeing was like.

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Torso and shoulders and then some of like the neck

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and head. But it was bobbing through vegetation as it

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was going, because you know, we're out in the middle

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of you know bf E as I like to call it,

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in the middle of nowhere, and you know these this

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this canal was probably seven seven eight feet across. It

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was a real small, real small canal, and it was

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down that bank, up the bank and going in probably

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ten fifteen seconds tops. But I do remember brown fur

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or brown hair in the first encounter. But I did

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I definitely didn't get the same kind of quality that

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I saw in Carolina because, like, like I said, this

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thing was right there. It was maybe thirty yards from me. Wow,

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like less than one hundred feet on.

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The river itself.

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That stretch of river is only like fifteen to twenty

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foot across, and he was like two or three feet

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from the waterline. He wasn't far at all, and he

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was directly across the river from me. He stepped out

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and down that embankment were right in front of me,

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but he was I'm I'm telling you, he was probably

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there the entire time, like he was probably watching it

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that whole weekend because like that whole that feeling had

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been there, and he didn't come out until I talked

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to him. It wasn't until I communicated with him that

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I was like, hey, man, like everything's cool, you can

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come out, and that's when he started walking down.

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It's it's so interesting your your interview makes the I

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would say fourth or fifth in a row where the

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individual has talked to the Sasquatch using their vocal voice

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in English and had a direct response either a tree

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pushed over or in your case, they actually step out.

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And it's just it's it's very interesting for me to

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analyze because these people I'm not talking to, they don't

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know each other, so it's not like they're talking and like, oh,

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make sure you say this, Like it's there's a lot

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of really interesting connections that are coming out with the subject,

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which is talking verbally to the creatures and getting response,

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and I'm not sure how to deal with that, you know.

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So what's even more, what's even more crazy is when

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I when I get to that, like later on down

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the line, there's you know, what happened to me in

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Arkansas as far as communication goes, puts that that to shame. Okay,

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like it. It transcended what I thought was possible.

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And it sounds like we will we will definitely get there. Yeah,

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you mentioned you mentioned that your father is uh ninety

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five percent Cherokee, and what does that make you percentage if.

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You don't mind, So, I'm roughly sixty Okay, roughly sixty.

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I think it's like fifty eight point seven or something

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like that. I did ancestry dot com and all that stuff,

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and like I got tested and everything.

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But yeah, it's roughly roughly in the sixty mark.

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Do you think have you ever had that internal thought

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where does this have something to do with it? Or

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could there be a connection there because of my heritage or.

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I don't think so so prior to like going to

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Boone and having that that interaction because of what I

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had seen in Florida, I had As I got older,

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I started doing some research.

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Like in sixth grade, I read a book called Sasquatch

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that was based It was a story based out of

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Washington where a boy's father has an experience and they

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go out trying to figure it out, and it's it's

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a very interesting book for young adults. But I read

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all these books, started reading all these internet articles. I

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started started watching the bf RO website at this at

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this point like early stages bf Roro website, seeing where

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people were seeing things and what they were seeing and

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all this stuff. And then my dad had told me

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because when I had that conversation with him the first

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time and he made me watched Legend of the Legend

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of Labulgi Creek, he said, I remember him telling me,

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don't take this movie to heart. That's not what they're like. Wow.

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And when I asked what he meant, he said, he said,

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the Cherokee think of them as the protectors of the forest.

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So when I started to get a little bit older,

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I started looking into that and I read all these

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articles from charity from Cherokee elders that were talking about

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the Susquatch people. That's the way that they describe them

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as the Susquatch people and their connection with early Cherokee

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nations as well as other other Native nations, and their

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communication back and forth and the relationship that they had

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built living amongst each other and One of the things

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that I read was that a lot of Cherokee odors.

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I don't know about other nations, other Native American, but

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I know that the Cherokee elders believed that the Sasquatch

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people could hear your thoughts so they could detect your intentions,

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and that they their communication levels transcended beyond speech. Basically,

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so if you know, if you went into the woods

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with intentions of killing it, it's not going to show itself.

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Is basically the mindset that I was under understanding is

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that if it's the same way with dogs, right, If

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somebody who has malintent comes into your home, your dog

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is not going to like them. If somebody tries to

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break into your house to kill you, your dog is

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probably going to react negatively to it because the dog

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a dog can sense more than just your speech, which

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is why a dog will react to You could tell

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a dog that it's an idiot, but say it in

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a sweet way, and the dog is gonna wag its

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tail and be happy because it can sense your intent.

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So the way that I was going into this, like

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I I started having the feelings of being watched, and

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I was like, something's out there, Like I should probably,

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you know, just let it be right. But this whole,

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this whole weekend, you know, being being watched and everything

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like that, when my dad wasn't around, I was That's

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the first thing that came to my mind, was like,

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if I talked to it, maybe it'll understand that I

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don't want to hurt it, right, So that's what I did.

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I talked to it and it come out and it

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was a very very intense, intense time.

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That is so you just opened my mind because I

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didn't know that that was part of Cherokee legend, where

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there's the whole they can perhaps have insight into thoughts

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or intention. I thought that was a newer thing and

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that's been around forever.

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You're saying, yeah, so what I read so the I

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forget the guy's name, but there was an article that

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I read that was written in two thousand and one

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and I found it on a like a Cherokee Tribal

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Connection website where a guy had written this long, elaborate

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like here is how the Cherokee people operate, right, And

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I read this thing. It was probably like one hundred

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and fifty pages of just things that people should know

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after they find out that they're Cherokee, and it got

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into naturalist stuff like the way that they used medicine,

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the way that they would cook food or would preserve food.

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Things like that, and then it got into wildlife.

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And when it got into wild life, one of the

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first things that it said was there are the Sasquatch

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people that protect the forest, and it gave a description

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and there was like a drawing and then the drawing

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was like two men with with you know, with bows

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and arrows, and then there was like a very very

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massive dark figure, you know, standing in a tree line

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was in the in the picture that was drawn there,

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and it was talking about how they communicate without words,

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meaning telepathically, that they that they they know your intentions

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before before you make them clear, and things like that. So, yeah,

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it's been that's been a thing for a very long time,

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and I think it gets overshadowed by by other other

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aspects of the possibilities of Sasquatch.

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Oh absolutely. And it's interesting because that can explain how

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if you go out with other people versus other people entirely,

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you could have things happen with certain groups and then

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nothing happened with perhaps a group of people.

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That have absolutely And I mean, but here's the thing.

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It goes the same way with deer hunting. Really, I've

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been I've been hunting with people that are I just

465
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.559
want to kill a deer, right. They have no respect

466
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.359
for the spirituality of hunting, you know, things like that,

467
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.880
and you won't see anything all night, all day and

468
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:46.400
all night. And when I would hunt with my father,

469
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.079
my father like growing up, he always taught me that

470
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:54.039
hunting is a way of fulfilling the needs of the family.

471
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:58.759
So you have to be thankful for the sacrifice that

472
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:03.519
the animal is giving you. Right, So when when my

473
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.759
daughter or I would kill a deer, we would stop

474
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:10.319
and he would he would pray and thank thank the

475
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.519
animal for its sacrifice to feed the family. So I

476
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:17.640
became very connected with with hunting and fishing in a

477
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:22.279
spiritual way. And I've I've noticed I've noticed over the

478
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.240
years that if I go with if I go hunting

479
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.799
alone or with people that had a similar mindset to me,

480
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.319
I'll kill a deer every single time i'm out. But

481
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.599
if I go with somebody who's just hunting because they

482
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.119
want to eat some vedicon and they don't really care

483
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.799
about the naturalist side of it, then I won't see.

484
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:46.720
Anything that's extremely interesting. Thank you for being so uh

485
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.519
so open with your your heritage and what you've you've

486
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.000
looked into regarding.

487
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:54.119
That kind of anything that I've experienced after that point,

488
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:54.440
you know.

489
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:59.880
Mm, absolutely so at this at this time in North Carolina.

490
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.359
So that was the end of the weekend.

491
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:08.680
Then, yeah, that was as I was leaving basically, So

492
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:11.359
like I said, I got up, I had breakfast. Dad

493
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:13.240
made breakfast, and then he was like, you go fish

494
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:16.119
because I could still catch my limit for the day

495
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.119
if I wanted to. And he stayed and was cleaning

496
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:20.880
up the cabin and packing everything up to your ready

497
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.720
to go. Because my dad was a foreman for an

498
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:24.440
electric company, so he had to be up at work

499
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.880
at five o'clock the next morning. So we were leaving

500
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.480
about two thirty o'clock thirty three o'clock in the afternoon

501
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:32.400
because we had a three and a half hour four

502
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.519
hour drive back to our house. And so I went alone,

503
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.960
and I was down there alone, and I was fishing

504
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.839
for a couple of hours before I really like worked

505
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.519
up the courage to say anything and try to coax

506
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.839
it out. After that, it was like fifteen minutes total

507
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:57.720
of me and this massive ten foot sasquatch staring at

508
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.680
each other before I turned out to walk back up

509
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.720
the hill, And it was probably fifteen twenty minutes after

510
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:05.640
I got back to the cabin that we left.

511
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.720
And you had no electronic things on you, or you

512
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:15.279
weren't trying to record audio or video. It's just you

513
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:16.839
fish out, nothing like that.

514
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.279
So growing up in Florida, I had a nextel because

515
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.319
my dad was an electrician, so like his company paid

516
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:26.480
for next els for the family.

517
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.960
But after we left Florida and we got rid of

518
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:31.359
our next eils, I didn't.

519
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.480
Have a cell phone until I was probably fourteen years old,

520
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.640
so I didn't have any electronic stuff to record at all.

521
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:40.960
The only thing that I had on me when I

522
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.640
was at that river I had on I had on

523
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.519
waiters in case I wanted to get into the water,

524
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.799
and then I had a backpack. And then my backpack

525
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:57.240
was my lures, like my pliers for fishing hooks, and

526
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.960
then a bottle of water and another a couple of

527
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.799
grim old books. But other than that, that's all I

528
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:07.039
had on me the entire time. Other than a fishing pole,

529
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.160
I didn't have any electronics. I didn't have a garment

530
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.160
at the time or anything like that. You know, I

531
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:12.920
was young.

532
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.319
Yeah. Wow, that's extremely extremely interesting. You said this was

533
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:19.359
around two thousand and four.

534
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:22.759
Uh No, so two thousand four is when we left Florida.

535
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.200
This was probably two thousand and eight, Okay, gotcha. I

536
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.480
was twelve and a half, almost thirteen at the time.

537
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.359
It was about a month now that i'm really like

538
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.279
thinking on it. It was about a month before my

539
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.720
thirteenth birthday, so it would have been June of two

540
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.240
thousand and eight because it was just a week after

541
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:46.680
I got out of school for the year.

542
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.160
Did you have a conversation with your father about what

543
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:53.960
you saw for that fifteen minutes?

544
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.960
No? Wow, My my father and I never talked. I

545
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.559
never talked to anybody about this until about two years ago.

546
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.200
Oh my goodness. How old are you now? Roughly in

547
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:05.720
twenty nine.

548
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.960
I turned twenty nine just this last month on the

549
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:09.480
thirty first.

550
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.679
Dude, that's a long's that's about fourteen fifteen years.

551
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.079
I went thinteen years.

552
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:20.239
Yeah, without talking about it, and it's actually one of

553
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.079
my biggest regrets because my father passed away in twenty fourteen.

554
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:28.519
When I was nineteen years old. Yeah, and the last

555
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.119
couple of years of his life, he was really sick.

556
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.440
So I didn't I didn't have the best relationship with him.

557
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.159
I had a lot of animosity towards him, a lot

558
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.320
of false animosity. So like, it's one of those things

559
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.480
that like if I could sit down and have another

560
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.599
conversation with him, I would probably tell him about that,

561
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.920
because he would probably be as ecstatic about it, you know.

562
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:54.679
I even would maybe guess that he'd had similar things

563
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.440
happened to himself when he was younger.

564
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.840
Who knows. I always thought the same thing too, just

565
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.519
because of what he said when we watched that, when

566
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.639
we watched Legend a Body Creek, because like what he

567
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:09.519
actually said, what he said to me was don't take

568
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.000
that movie. Don't take that movie to heart, because they

569
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.880
aren't like that, Like he knew, you know what I mean.

570
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:24.000
Oh, absolutely, hmm, this is this is absolutely incredible of Jackson's.

571
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.599
So there was There was one other other encounter that

572
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.760
was very brief that happened in eastern Shore of Maryland.

573
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:40.239
This was probably twenty thirteen about that I was eighteen

574
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:44.400
years old. I was just barely eighteen years old. My

575
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:45.760
uncle would hunt.

576
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.440
Sick of deer on the eastern shore of Maryland, and

577
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:49.920
Sicka dear are.

578
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.320
A small Asian breed of deer that live in like

579
00:35:54.400 --> 00:36:01.719
the wetlands. So we were sitting on on opposite fields.

580
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.679
There was a large piece of property was like three

581
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.440
hundred and fifty acres that we had permission to hunt on,

582
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:11.480
and there was a clearing that went for probably two

583
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:13.679
hundred and fifty three hundred acres of it. Most of

584
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:17.519
it there was about two hundred and fifty three hundred

585
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:19.920
yards wide, and we would sit on one side of

586
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.320
the clearing and watch to the other side because the

587
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.599
other side of that clearing when that tree line hit

588
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.440
was all marshland. So my uncle was sitting on one

589
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:29.920
side of the property. I was sitting on the other

590
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:32.360
side of the property. I was sitting in a tree stand,

591
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:38.719
probably eighteen feet in the air, and I was just scanning.

592
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:42.440
I was sitting up there with my two forty three

593
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.599
and I was just scanning, watching through the scope, looking

594
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.360
at the tree line. There was a slight fog that

595
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.440
had rolled in. It was probably four thirty eight five

596
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.719
o'clock in the morning. Sun was just barely coming up

597
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:58.679
on the horizon behind us, and so it's like this

598
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.960
light blue gray across the entire field, and this slight

599
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:10.519
fog has come through. And I was scanning across the

600
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.280
tree line, and at some point I crossed over a

601
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:22.119
pair of shoulders and I stopped, and I took a

602
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:28.239
closer look, and right in the in between three like

603
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:33.119
a group of trees was the upper torso and head

604
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:40.400
that I could see of something. And I stared at

605
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.320
it for about thirty seconds, and then I watched its

606
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.559
head go up like like a deer does when it

607
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.039
sniffs the wind, you know. I felt the wind come

608
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.960
across the back of my neck across that field, and

609
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.199
then it turned and it walked across and walked back

610
00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.559
into the woods and disappeared into the into the distance.

611
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:06.199
It was for maybe thirty seconds, but it was like

612
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.199
staring across the field, caught my.

613
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.639
Wind and then just took off and was gone.

614
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.440
It didn't run, it didn't jog. It just turned around

615
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:22.719
and walked back into the trees and was gone. And

616
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:30.480
I killed the sick of her that day.

617
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:33.960
Similar to what you had seen in North Carolina.

618
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.760
Yeah, I would say, I would say similar. I couldn't

619
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.119
really gauge how big it was because how far it

620
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.159
was three hundred yards in the distance looking through a

621
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.639
rifle scope, I couldn't really tell you how big it

622
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.039
was or how big it wasn't, but I know that

623
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.719
it was. It was definitely not the shoulders of a person.

624
00:38:56.840 --> 00:39:00.760
It wasn't a human. The shoulders were We're massive and

625
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:06.199
broad and like you could see the traps connecting with

626
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.440
the neck. There was almost a lack of neck length

627
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.599
because of how broad and muscular the shoulders and neck was.

628
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.840
And I couldn't see any detail because of the fog.

629
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.559
It was just like a like an outline almost, you know,

630
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:24.599
like a almost like a shadow figure if if you

631
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:27.719
were ghost hunting. It was just there and then it

632
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.239
turned and it was gone.

633
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.679
When you are deer hunting, do you leave any part

634
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.679
of it behind or.

635
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.440
So Yeah, when we when we stick a hunt, and

636
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.480
when we white tail hunt a lot of times, what

637
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:47.320
we do is we quarter out and carry out. So

638
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:53.320
we'll we'll we'll live butcher uh for the most part,

639
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:57.039
right there on on the kill site. So we'll take

640
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.800
we'll take our legs, we'll take all our all our backstraps,

641
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:02.599
we'll take all the cuts that we want. We go

642
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:10.320
in with with my lard bags, lined bags to protect

643
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.679
from the heat. If we're hunting in the center time,

644
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.280
and yeah, we'll go with back packs. We'll cut everything up,

645
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:18.800
toss everything in bags, strap it on our back, and

646
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:20.679
hike it out. So a lot of times we'll be

647
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.840
leaving behind the head, the guts, the skin most of

648
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.840
the time, like you're gonna have the lower ends of

649
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:30.880
the legs, because we're not we're not going to carry

650
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.679
all that out. We're going we're taking the desirables. And

651
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:39.280
then what we do is, or at least what I

652
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.400
do is, you know, like my father called me, I

653
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:44.079
pay a prayer.

654
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.840
I think, thank game animal for its sacrifice.

655
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:47.840
And then I leave the rest for mother nature to

656
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:54.119
take care of, especially when it's uh, when it's a

657
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.320
larger gear, because that's it's a lot of food for

658
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:57.519
a lot of something, you know what I mean.

659
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:03.559
I mean, if you're if you're going down the trail

660
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:09.800
of they're able to no intentions, then it might make

661
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.320
sense that they're in the same area as they know

662
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.400
you're going to be hunting, especially if they know that

663
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.639
you're going to not be taking the whole animal. If

664
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:21.760
you get an animal. I don't know if that's I

665
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.559
don't know who, Yeah, who knows.

666
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:29.320
But well say that it's funny that you say that

667
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.480
because a buddy of a buddy of mine a couple

668
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.159
of years ago, actually this was probably twenty twenty one,

669
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.039
he told me we were hanging out in Discord one

670
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:42.679
night and he was like, dude, I went hunting this

671
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:48.400
weekend and I killed. I killed a deer and I

672
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.320
quartered it out and I carried it out to the truck.

673
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.639
And I realized after I got to the truck that

674
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:56.559
I had left my knife stuck in the ground at

675
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.400
the kill because he had got this got to this

676
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.679
deer and cut it all up, and he had stuck

677
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:03.360
his knock from the ground instead of putting it back

678
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:04.840
in the sheath because he wanted to clean it off

679
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.199
before he put it away. And he goes, so I,

680
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.440
you know, I put the meat in the truck and

681
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.639
the cooler, and I hiked back out to the kill

682
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.000
side and my knife is still stuck in the ground,

683
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:23.320
but the rest of that carcass was gone, and he had.

684
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.079
Killed like a two hundred pound white tail.

685
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:29.199
Oh wow, So like that was it was a decent

686
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.159
amount of carcass left there, and he said that it.

687
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:31.599
Was all gone.

688
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:33.119
He said, the only thing that was left was blood

689
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:39.360
residue on there, it's on the grass. But every bit

690
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:43.239
of scrap was gone, like somebody come up there and

691
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.360
scooped it up in their arms and took off of it.

692
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.360
Sure, man, this is is so interesting to think about

693
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:52.320
it this way. So that was a it was a

694
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:58.639
quick but interesting thing that happened on the eastern side

695
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.320
of Maryland, the eastern Shore Maryland.

696
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:05.920
This was like probably forty minutes from It was between.

697
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.440
The Delaware and Ocean City line, so between Delaware and

698
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.280
Ocean City, Maryland, up in the Marklands.

699
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.119
At this time, you said you're about eighteen years old.

700
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.760
Yeah, I had, so I was just about eighteen in

701
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.840
that range, was probably twenty thirteen. In twenty fifteen, I

702
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:33.119
moved to Arkansas and I lived there for I lived

703
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:41.079
there from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty. I moved back.

704
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:45.719
I moved back to Maryland just about two months before

705
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.039
the pandemic came. So I was there for a good

706
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:55.480
five years. And while I lived in Arkansas is where

707
00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.639
I kind of got really deep into bushcraft, right, So

708
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.480
I would I worked for a vape shop. That's what

709
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.199
I did for a number of years. I worked for

710
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.480
vape shops. And whenever I had time away, if I

711
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:11.599
had like a long weekend or anything like that, I

712
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:14.280
would go off into the woods. And you know, the

713
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.599
part of Arkansas that I lived in was on the

714
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:21.360
Spring River. Like up in the Ozarks, there was thousands

715
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:27.760
upon thousands upon thousands of acres of unexplored everything. And

716
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.760
I had I had walked the Spring River one weekend

717
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.840
and found a little location that I liked. There was

718
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.119
about i'd say a quarter it was probably a quarter

719
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.559
mile walk from the from the river itself to where

720
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:42.760
I found and it was just a small clearing, probably

721
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:47.480
fifteen feet twenty feet wide where there wasn't you know,

722
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.199
any brush or anything like that. Still had good tree cover.

723
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:51.159
So it was good for.

724
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.599
UH, for staying out of the out of the sun

725
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:54.239
and everything.

726
00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:00.079
And I started slowly but surely building a like a

727
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:05.079
my permanent bushcraft camp there. And I would go up

728
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.719
every weekend I got the chance, and I would spend

729
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.000
a night or two, or one night or two nights,

730
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.360
whatever I could, I would stay out there and UH

731
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.719
and I would you know, build build a build a

732
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:21.239
camp up and build bushcraft furniture. I would carve spoons

733
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.760
and bowls, the whole nun just enjoying being in nature.

734
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.280
And I made it a very very strict rule that

735
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:27.800
when I went out there, I would not take my

736
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.519
phone because it was my escape. You know. I didn't

737
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.599
want deal with the rest of the world while I

738
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.199
was out there, so I would leave my phone at home.

739
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:43.280
I bought a garment commander GPS tracker, and I would

740
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.440
let somebody that I was friends with go like, hey,

741
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.840
this is where I'm going, This is my ordinates. Is

742
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.079
where I'm going to be. If I don't come back,

743
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:56.400
send somebody looking for me. And this was so this

744
00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:03.000
probably happened. Let's see what year was it. I had

745
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:04.960
been there for two and a half years, so it

746
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:10.679
was probably like October to November of two thousand and seventeen.

747
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.760
And I went up on a cold, a cold weekend.

748
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:20.119
I had five days off. I had asked for a

749
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.480
couple of days off, and I worked a couple of

750
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.639
extra shifts to cover myself so that I can still

751
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.599
make bills. And I took five days off in the woods,

752
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:38.760
and I left at probably three in the morning.

753
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.719
On Sunday, and it was a.

754
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.280
Probably three and a half four hour hikes from where

755
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.599
I would drop the truck off and I would hike

756
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.719
into this, into this this little camp that I'd made.

757
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.800
So I hiked in. I got there probably seven thirty

758
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:00.639
eight o'clock in the morning, and I started to and

759
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.480
get camp set up and cleaned up, you know, brush

760
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.719
all the spider webs off and all that, get the

761
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:14.280
get the fire pit ready. And from probably the first

762
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.880
hour I was there, I had that feeling of being watched.

763
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:24.400
And it happened really fast. It happened so fast, in fact,

764
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.400
that I didn't I didn't really realize it right away,

765
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.880
because I had thought that it was just nerves from

766
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.480
just just getting out there. But after a few hours

767
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.639
of being at the camp, and you know, Coloud was

768
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.400
collecting firewood. I was walking all around these woods, right

769
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.440
and I started to notice that every time I would

770
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:48.039
walk somewhere, there would be another set of footsteps and

771
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.159
they would follow me, and if I stopped, they would stop,

772
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:52.920
but it would always stop like a half a step

773
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.760
after me. So you could definitely tell there was something

774
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:00.719
else walking. I walked around and collected firewood. I walked

775
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:06.599
around looking for rocks for the fire pit. The whole

776
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:10.840
nine I walked around cutting, cutting like little three inch

777
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:13.400
rounds down so that I could continue building up the shelter.

778
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.360
And the whole time that I was doing this was

779
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:22.840
just my footsteps and another set of footsteps, and I

780
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:29.840
started to wonder if I was having another experience. So

781
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:35.599
I'm sitting in I'm sitting inside the shelter. The way

782
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.400
I had the shelter built was like an a frame

783
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.559
shelter that had a tarp over the back of it.

784
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:46.360
I had a clear plastic like painters cloth down on

785
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.599
the front so that when the fire was going at night,

786
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.119
it would radiate heat through it but not perreate back out,

787
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.559
so it would hold heat inside the shelter. After that,

788
00:48:56.639 --> 00:49:00.880
there was walls that I built up with standing and

789
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:05.599
like little two inch rounds that I'd cut down that

790
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:06.920
went around the shelter.

791
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:11.440
And then there was a like a firewall that.

792
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.599
I'd put up with with branches and stuff. I had

793
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:18.000
lined it with a like a space blanket to reflect

794
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.760
heedback towards the shelter, and the fire pit was in

795
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:25.400
front of it. So I have this probably ten foot

796
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.519
twelve foot round circle of wood that I've built into

797
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:33.719
this little camp. I'm sitting inside the shelter. I've got

798
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:35.840
the cloth up over the top of it because it's

799
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.440
still daylight out, and I'm just sitting in there. I'm

800
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:43.679
having lunch. I'm sitting in sitting there, eating and I

801
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.920
start to hear the footsteps walking around me. But they're

802
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:52.559
probably like seventy five yards out. I could just barely

803
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.400
hear them, but it was heavy footfall, like a person,

804
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:02.639
but heavier, and I could hear walking and walking and walking.

805
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.239
And then I would think to myself, what is that

806
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.480
walking out there? I'd ever said it out loud, but

807
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.719
I would think it, like, what the heck is out

808
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.000
there walking? And every time I would think that, it

809
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:22.280
would stop, and then I would go back to eating

810
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.639
my lunch and it would start walking again. And it

811
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.119
walked in circles all the way around my camp for

812
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.159
about an hour while I sat there eating and just relaxing.

813
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.159
That night, I'm sitting there with the fire going, and

814
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:43.280
you know, I had hiked out there with a harmonica,

815
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.280
so I'm sitting there playing the harmonica, you know, relaxing

816
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.760
by the fire, probably about to call it and call

817
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:50.159
it quits.

818
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:51.760
For the night and get some get some rest.

819
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:56.679
And it's just after sundown, probably eight o'clock in the evening,

820
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.880
nine o'clock in the evening, somewhere in there, and I

821
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:06.760
start hearing that foot in them footsteps again, and I

822
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:08.719
remember thinking to myself, I don't know what you are,

823
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:15.599
but I hear you. And it stopped, and then I

824
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:20.079
heard the footsteps come from fifty seventy five yards out

825
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.599
to about fifteen feet from the back of my shelter.

826
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:25.119
And I couldn't see anything back there because it was

827
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:28.559
all wooden tarp back there. It was all closed off

828
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.719
to keep any any critters out, but it's it was

829
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.239
probably fifteen feet from the back of my shelter, and

830
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.920
it stood there and I could hear it breathing, and

831
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:46.599
it sounded like, I don't even know how to explain it.

832
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:52.599
It sounded like like an ex like an exhaust almost

833
00:51:52.679 --> 00:52:00.480
like it sounded like turbulent air, and it was loud.

834
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.880
And then I remember saying, who's out there? And then

835
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.559
it turned around and walked back off. And I never like,

836
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:13.079
I couldn't stand up. There was no part of me

837
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:14.920
that was like, let me look and see what this is.

838
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.159
Every part of me was like, just sit there and

839
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:25.840
be quiet. Later that night and throughout the next few nights,

840
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.800
I would still hear it walking around in the perimeter

841
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:33.199
around my camp. It would throughout the night it would

842
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:35.599
come closer to the camp, and then it would walk

843
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:37.639
back away, and then it would come closer again, and

844
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:41.280
they would walk back away and on like the I

845
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.880
think it was probably the third night. Third it was

846
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.599
in the afternoon, so it was probably day three, and

847
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:54.039
I'm sitting in the camp and I'm carving spoons and

848
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.559
it had been silent for like an hour. It was

849
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:02.119
just the birds chirping and the squirrels jumping through the trees,

850
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:04.760
and I'm sitting there at carbon carbon spoons. And the

851
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.280
next thing I know, I noticed that all the sounds

852
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:16.599
had stopped, and it got eerily quiet. And then slowly

853
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.119
but surely, through the distance, I heard those footsteps again,

854
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:24.639
and they were coming from off to the right, towards

855
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:27.159
the back of my shelter, but coming straight towards me.

856
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:37.039
And this was the moment that I realized that in

857
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.199
my in my belief, that the Cherokee people were right,

858
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:46.599
because I thought to myself, didn't say it out loud,

859
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.039
this was just a thought in my head, and I said,

860
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:52.159
I can hear you, and it stopped.

861
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.599
And then I thought to myself, if you want me

862
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:01.920
to leave, just say so.

863
00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:08.519
And then I heard I heard its voice for the

864
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:16.119
first time, and I I'll explain to you how the

865
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:18.440
voice goes. But there's a there's an actual there's actually

866
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:21.800
a YouTube channel that I found about two years after.

867
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:25.159
This experience that verified everything for me.

868
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.199
And I had never I had never heard anything like

869
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.119
it before, but I said, I thought to myself, like,

870
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.360
if you want me to leave, just tell me. And

871
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:47.480
it went no, and then it went deadly silent, and

872
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.360
I said, okay, and I went back to carbon my

873
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.119
wooden spoons, and it turned around and it walked back

874
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:54.920
out a little bit and then started doing circles around

875
00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:01.320
the camp again. After that, it was just circling me

876
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.760
for a couple hours. And then I started to notice,

877
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.360
like as the evening came on, that there was more

878
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:12.039
than one set of footsteps. And I would hear it

879
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.079
in front of my camp, I would hear it behind

880
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:15.519
my camp. Then I would hear it to the right

881
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:16.599
of my camp, and then I would hear it to

882
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:21.360
the left of my camp. But it was always too

883
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:23.679
close for it to be one, so there would be

884
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:28.159
you know, thirty seconds between here and footsteps out to

885
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.039
my right and out to my left, so there was

886
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:38.360
at least two at all times. And I started to

887
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:44.599
talk out loud to them, saying things like, you know,

888
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:48.559
I'm I'm just here, just here to visit. I'm not

889
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.239
trying to encroach on your land. I don't want no problems.

890
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:59.159
I'm just here to hang out. And at some point

891
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:07.000
they started to, I think, get comfortable because I would

892
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:13.800
hear communication between the two of them, and they were

893
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:19.239
everything from whistles to whoops. Sometimes they would just whistle

894
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.360
at each other. Sometimes they would whoop at each other,

895
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:29.920
and sometimes they would it was almost like chatter, like gibberish.

896
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:33.639
It wasn't anything that I could make out, but it

897
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:41.079
was like this deep guttural. The only the only way

898
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:42.920
that I've ever been able to imitate it was by

899
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.760
by doing like throat based because I used to beat bops.

900
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:49.559
But they would you would hear it in the distance.

901
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:55.960
They just sounds, is what I thought it was. But

902
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:02.519
it was so loud and so like deep and gutturaled

903
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.800
it it would it was not something that a human

904
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:09.280
could produce, and I would hear it on my right,

905
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:10.599
I would hear it on my left, and I would

906
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:11.679
hear it out in front of me. Then I would

907
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:15.760
hear back behind me. And it was always like different sounds,

908
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.400
like they were speaking to each other in a different language.

909
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:26.599
And they went like that through the entire day of

910
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:35.320
day four. Whoops, hollers, the you know, the chatter, the

911
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:41.960
different vocalizations all through day four. And then on the

912
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.480
morning of day five, when I was getting up to leave,

913
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.719
I was packing all my things into my backpack, and

914
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:56.559
I I could hear them back behind my solitaria. There

915
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:58.679
was a couple of them, and it sounded like they

916
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:00.559
were kind of grouped up a little bit watching me.

917
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.480
And I was pulling my tarf down and like you know,

918
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.519
rolling my tarf up and folding it up and packing

919
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.960
it away and grabbing like my cook kit and everything,

920
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:16.639
packing everything away, and I started getting these little pebbles,

921
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:22.679
like an inch in diameter, little smooth stone pebbles would

922
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:26.280
get tossed over the top of my shelter and they

923
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:28.199
would land on the other side of my shelter, like

924
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:36.199
near the fire pit. It happened like ten or fifteen times,

925
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:40.119
and eventually I was like, I'll come back someday, guys,

926
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.559
I'm just leaving. I gotta go back, I gotta go home.

927
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:49.360
And it'd stopped. And then I heard a couple sets

928
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:53.119
of footsteps walk away from the shelter and disappear into

929
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.320
the distance. And I didn't hear anything else until I

930
00:58:55.400 --> 00:59:00.159
left and I hiked back out, got my truck, I

931
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:00.639
went home.

932
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:07.559
But it was five days of like constant It was almost.

933
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.440
Like an habitual situation, like they were there the entire time.

934
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:14.280
They were always watching me. It was almost as if

935
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:18.679
there was a family and they had like like shift

936
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:23.559
work watching what I was doing. Because there was always

937
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:27.599
at least one around. I never saw them, never even

938
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:32.519
got a glimpse, never even thought that I saw them.

939
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:35.119
But I do know that every time that I had

940
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:39.719
a thought trying to like say something, they would respond

941
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:45.239
in some way.

942
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.079
I don't I don't know how you got how you

943
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:53.280
got through that, to be honest.

944
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:59.239
Well that's so that's the thing, Like, regardless of all

945
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:04.840
this stuff happen, and never once was I afraid, there

946
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:07.519
was never like an ounce of fear put onto me.

947
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.639
And like I've been in the woods with everything pretty

948
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.239
much every animal in the continental US, you know what

949
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:17.599
I mean, Like I've been charged by brown bear or

950
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.440
by black bearris, I've been charged by hog. Like I've

951
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:25.880
been in some scary situations and even in my experience,

952
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.880
when there's a bear within a hundred yards, I'm like,

953
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.360
I don't want to be here. That bear is going

954
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.159
to try to eat me and I'm gonna have to

955
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.559
shoot it. But never once, and I had a gun

956
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:39.639
on me the entire time, Like I don't go into

957
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.719
the woods without a gun on me. But that whole time,

958
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:51.199
I never felt anything but just curiosity. There was never

959
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:55.599
an ounce of fear. It didn't feel like they were

960
01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:01.559
hunting me. I didn't feel threatened. They were just trying

961
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:03.559
to figure out what I was doing, is what it

962
01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:08.800
felt like. It was just curiosity.

963
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.719
Wow, Jackson, All this has given me a lot to

964
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:15.920
think about for sure.

965
01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:18.400
Yeah.

966
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:23.519
Yeah, I'm gonna look try to find that that article

967
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:26.039
that you had found. I'm honestly gonna.

968
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:29.920
One. I don't know if you've seen have you ever

969
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.079
have you ever visited the channel Sasquatch Ontario.

970
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:34.400
I've heard of it.

971
01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:38.199
Okay, So Sasquatch Ontario.

972
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:40.639
I discovered his channel to like a year and a half.

973
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:45.199
Two years after that, this incident happened in Arkansas, and

974
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.800
the vocal the vocalizations that he's recorded is exactly what

975
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:55.320
I was hearing. And he's like, he's got hours of

976
01:01:55.480 --> 01:02:02.280
record of recordings of not only Squatch vocalizing around him,

977
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:08.960
but communicating with him vocally. They've learned his name, They've

978
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:11.320
said words to him, and it was like the way

979
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:14.800
that that that those vocals sound like that guttural, deep

980
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:19.119
like vibrato that just doesn't come out of a person

981
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:20.239
is what I was hearing.

982
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:23.679
Have you ever tried reaching out to him?

983
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:29.440
I have not. I have not. I honestly like this.

984
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:31.960
The story about the story that I just told you

985
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.440
what happened in Arkansas, I've only told two people.

986
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:40.079
Wow, yeah, absolutely, yeah, And thank you for sharing this

987
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:44.880
all today. I know this is a it's it's probably

988
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:49.119
hard to get back into that mindset. I would imagine

989
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:49.559
as well.

990
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:55.320
And I wouldn't necessarily say it's hard. It's more like

991
01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:58.920
I can feel the shapes, you know what I mean.

992
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.920
It's one of these situations where you're like you when

993
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:04.239
I talk about it, I relive it.

994
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.039
I can I can hear it all happening again.

995
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.440
I can. I can smell the smells, I can hear

996
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:13.519
the sounds, I can feel the chills, you know what

997
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:15.639
I mean. It's it's one of those kind of things.

998
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:21.679
Do you still go out after this happened?

999
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:26.679
So it's whenever I get the chance. Yeah, I mean

1000
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:30.280
I've I've never shot away from from the woods, and

1001
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:33.440
I still went back out to that same shelter probably

1002
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:39.280
six seven, eight more times. I've spent quite quite a few,

1003
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:41.800
quite a few weekends out there at that at that shelter,

1004
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.159
and it never it never really happened again like that.

1005
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:51.960
I mean I would I would hear, you know, footfall

1006
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:53.719
every once in a while, or I would hear twigs

1007
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:55.119
break every once in a while. But it was nothing

1008
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.679
that I could I couldn't attribute to a passing gear

1009
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.159
or a skunk or anything else that the woods has

1010
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:07.280
to offer, just passing through the area, But that that weekend,

1011
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:12.400
for that five days, five day span was undeniably something

1012
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.440
I could not explain, you know.

1013
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:24.159
Wow, oh Man Jackson, thank you, thank you for sharing

1014
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:29.280
all this. If listeners were listening carefully, there's a lot

1015
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:33.039
you can take away from this and It'll be interesting

1016
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:38.159
to see how this affects people after they hear it.

1017
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.079
And I think some people might be reaching out as

1018
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:44.760
well after this, regarding certain things you were talking about,

1019
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:48.039
like to do with intent and thoughts and things like that.

1020
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:54.920
So yeah, yeah, it's such an interesting like thought, thought

1021
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:59.280
process to go through. But it the more that I

1022
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.559
thought about it over the years, the more it made sense,

1023
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:08.119
because you know, there's there's been hundreds of stories of

1024
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:12.840
like search parties going out and looking for you, looking

1025
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:15.400
for sasquads or you know, looking for the creature in

1026
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:18.000
the night or whatever the case, and they don't ever

1027
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:22.599
come back with anything. They come back empty handed every

1028
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:28.840
single time. And if you know, if something that big

1029
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:34.239
and that's smart and that stealthy knows what you want,

1030
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:38.639
it ain't going near you, that's for sure. Yeah.

1031
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.480
If you're just out to make a documentary or you're

1032
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.880
out there to become rich and famous or to try

1033
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:48.559
to be the first one that bags one, you're probably

1034
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:54.360
not going to have much happen, I would guess. Yeah, Yeah,

1035
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.559
it's it's a lot to think about. And uh, Jackson,

1036
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.719
I would get it sounds like, is that the the

1037
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:02.800
most recent thing that has happened then.

1038
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:05.920
Yeah, yeah, so that was that was the most recent

1039
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:11.119
like vivid interaction that I had was in Arkansas.

1040
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:14.159
If someone's to ask you, you know, what do you think

1041
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:19.679
Bigfoot or Sasquatch is what? What is your answer? Recurring that?

1042
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:23.360
So I've had this discussion with a few with a

1043
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:27.840
few people before, and a lot of times people like

1044
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:30.880
walk away from the discussion with a different view on things.

1045
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.719
But I have done a lot of research on Sasquatch,

1046
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:40.639
and I have I've spent a lot of time in

1047
01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:43.239
the woods, and I like as as you know now,

1048
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:48.159
like I've I've experienced some very interesting things. And from

1049
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:51.480
all of the research that I've done and all the

1050
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:56.760
experiences that I've had, my my best answer is that

1051
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:01.800
they are just another people with a lot higher ability

1052
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:07.280
than than us. You know, like we're talking about uh,

1053
01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:16.159
a bipedal hominid that walks like us, acts like us, talks,

1054
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:24.280
can talk like us, uses language, uses tools, build structure,

1055
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:29.079
probably buries. It's dead because we're not out here. Found

1056
01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:37.760
in Sasquatch bones, you know, eats eats a balanced diet.

1057
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:40.800
Like there's been story there's been stories of UH of

1058
01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:45.199
people watching them pick berries, there's you know, people have

1059
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.159
seen them hunting bison, people have seen them hunting deer.

1060
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.719
They have you know, I I gave I gave them,

1061
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:55.599
I gave them fish. You know, like we're talking about

1062
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.000
something that is far more intelligent than anything else that

1063
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:03.519
we believe that we have in the woods and through

1064
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:05.599
all those things. That's the way that I look at it.

1065
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:10.679
It's it's it's a it's a much more advanced.

1066
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:15.559
Person, extremely interesting. Would if you had the chance to

1067
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.720
see one again, would you be okay with that?

1068
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:28.039
Yeah, like I said, man, like I've I never once

1069
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:32.479
had a shred of fear, like I never, I never

1070
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:43.279
felt afraid. I was perfectly fine. I never was was worried.

1071
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:47.880
I never, you know, like I said, I other than

1072
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:49.720
you know, when I was young, like after being an

1073
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:51.560
adult going into the woods. I've never gone into the

1074
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:53.520
woods after the age of eighteen without a pistol or

1075
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:54.319
a raffle.

1076
01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:59.640
And even with that knowledge in my head, never reached

1077
01:08:59.680 --> 01:08:59.960
for my.

1078
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:09.079
There was no need because I didn't think that they

1079
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:14.079
were going to hurt me. So, you know, if if

1080
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.239
the chance ever does come up, then yeah, more than

1081
01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:22.159
more than happy to to interact with them again. More

1082
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:27.479
than happy to, especially after like all the years of

1083
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:31.680
going through those you know, those interactions, and and during

1084
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.640
all the research that I have and learning all the

1085
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:37.399
things that I have, because I feel like every experience

1086
01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:40.359
that I would have in the future, each experience would

1087
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:41.640
just get more and more in depth.

1088
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:48.720
Absolutely, and Jackson, I appreciate you coming on the show today.

1089
01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:52.880
You've given us a lot to think about and just

1090
01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:54.680
just thank you. Thank you for coming on.

1091
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:57.439
Yeah, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

1092
01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.760
Have you ever heard all the accounts of big activity

1093
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.039
around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I

1094
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.920
would love to get out in those woods and experience

1095
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:11.479
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can.

1096
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.079
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

1097
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:20.039
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1098
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:23.319
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

1099
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:27.920
even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll

1100
01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.640
be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll

1101
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:36.159
probably I'll say this, there may be stuff you haven't

1102
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:42.399
heard anywhere else, because let's just say, sometimes it's well,

1103
01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:44.560
you just got to be there. We'll leave at that

1104
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.359
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

1105
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:52.560
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

1106
01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:57.560
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

1107
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:00.119
not only go to the festival, but you can and

1108
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:07.920
also sign up for a track deep in the wild

1109
01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:12.600
forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot

1110
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:16.640
Spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to

1111
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.239
sign up for this, and yes, this will also be

1112
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:23.760
filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which

1113
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:26.279
is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a

1114
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:29.119
lifetime deal. It's just trust it's going to be a wild,

1115
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:34.359
wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to

1116
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:38.520
Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code

1117
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:44.520
b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get

1118
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:46.680
a two day pass for the price of a one

1119
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:52.079
day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that

1120
01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:57.880
code so that you guys can can get a little

1121
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:02.159
a little help with the cost. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I

1122
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:05.680
hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year.

1123
01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:09.000
We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk

1124
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:11.800
to so many people last year and the year before.

1125
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.560
It is an incredible time. You're not going to want

1126
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:19.840
to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we

1127
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:22.359
wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to

1128
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:25.760
a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,

1129
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:29.560
any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that

1130
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.439
no one can explain, or if you're a National park

1131
01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:35.760
ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

1132
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:39.720
or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on

1133
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:43.119
the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency,

1134
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:46.560
or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not

1135
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.880
allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic,

1136
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.279
or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

1137
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.319
tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging

1138
01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.159
industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with

1139
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:04.119
government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never

1140
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:08.079
told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1141
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.640
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1142
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:15.399
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1143
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.680
or someone on a spiritual retreat, and you saw something

1144
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:22.520
that shook your faith. Or if you work in the shadows, CIA,

1145
01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:26.119
NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the

1146
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:30.760
public hasn't, then I want to talk to you. Even

1147
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:35.840
if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot Society

1148
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.960
at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear what

1149
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:43.560
you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone.

1150
01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:48.840
You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you

1151
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:51.399
in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode

1152
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.640
of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds

1153
01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:57.239
us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think,

1154
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.199
and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the

1155
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.439
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1156
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.039
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1157
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1158
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1159
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1160
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.399
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1161
01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:21.079
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1162
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.119
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1163
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:27.119
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1164
01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.319
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1165
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:33.640
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1166
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:36.239
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1167
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:39.920
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1168
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:43.479
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1169
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1170
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:50.399
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1171
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:53.319
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1172
01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:56.199
following along with the Bigfoot Society until next time. Keep

1173
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.119
your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking

1174
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.079
what else might be out there? And see you in

1175
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:01.520
the woods.