Missy Leigh Sterling Returns: Pale Crawlers

0:00 Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In this special episode, I welcome Missy Lee Sterling back to the show to share about her current work on pale crawlers and her upcoming documentary Pale About Them. If you've had a pale crawler citing, please listen to this episode to find out how to contact Missy to share your encounter to help with the upcoming documentary. But if you've had a Bigfoot encounter, you can reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. And if you're a fan of big for Society wish you could get more content weekly, you'll want to join the Patreon to become a supporting member Patreon dot com. Fort Slash the Bigfoot Society And now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We got the privilege of talking to Missy Lee Sterling. I had interviewed her about some research she was doing about a year ago, and it's a privilege to be able to chat with her again on Bigfoot Society. But how's it going tonight, Missy, I'm the privileged one. It's given well you I had to stay with our you know, it's become a theme now because I said that last time when you laugh, So I'd planned that all week. Oh that's good, that's good.

1:10 This is gonna be this is gonna be a wild ride of an interview, for sure. I'm gonna love it. The first one we did in the Patreon. It's one of the favorites. Really. Oh yeah, totally. Yeah. A few people are saying that there's probably a few people that haven't heard the first episode, which, guys, I really recommend that you go back and listen to that first episode because it talks about what Missy experienced and we go really really deep into her research up to a certain point. But Missy, would you be able to provide it? Yeah, a little recap, yeah, if you don't mind. So it was around twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. Actually I know now that it was twenty eighteen because my mom passed in October and I have her journals, and she journal about how she was worried I was going crazy. So I mean obviously she came around.

2:05 But okay, so twenty eighteen, I was on my way to my house. I was leaving her house, headed home to my house, and it's a windy road, you know, two lane you go around a curve and you're kind of going uphill, and then as you round the curve, you're going downhill and I see something ahead of the road, and at first I thought it was a deer, and I had this crazy fear come over me, like the hair on the back of my neck sto up. And it didn't make sense to me, because I need there was something ahead in the road, but I didn't think it was anything unnatural. So as I got closer, it wasn't moving. And then I'm in a complete stop and I'm on this creature and it is unlike anything I'd ever seen before in my life.

2:50 I mean, nightmare fuel. This is the stuff nightmares are made of. It was pale, emaciated, huge black eyes, a gape and open mouth, and it was just sitting there on the road. I say sitting. I didn't see hands or feet, but that's just because I was so fixated on its face. I don't know how long we sat there, but eventually, you know, we did part ways and I went home and I'm kind of battled with the am I crazy, what just happened? If this exists? What else exists? I decided to tell a friend and this is a girl I've known since we were five, and so I thought, if I can tell anyone I can trust, I can tell this girl. So I explained everything that happened, and I expected to feel better, but I did not because her face, she had a look on her face like are you insane? And that helped. She said, you know two things, missye one. You were going to need to speak to someone. Definitely need to speak to someone too. It's going to need to be a professional.

3:57 I would like for you to make an appointment. You do not need to tell anybody else this happened. Do not repeat this story. This is your favorite part, Gema. She said, you cannot become one of those Bigfoot is real people, And I'm sitting there like nodding in agreement with her, but in my mind, I'm like, Bigfoot probably is real. I mean I did in that moment because I was just like, if this crazy skeleton looking humanoid thing exists and I didn't know about that, what else do I not know about? And Bigfoot probably is real? And oh no, what else could be out there? I did end up making an appointment with a therapist. He I say, saved me, really, because at first I was very angry when I went into the appointment because I expected I wanted an answer. I wanted him to tell me something was wrong with me. Here are your peeals, ma'am. You can be on your way right. But that's not what happened. I told him the story, and you know just I mean, it was like word vomit. I couldn't stop, and he looks down and he looks up at me, and I felt like he didn't believe me, and that was pretty upsetting, and so I just blurted out, I'm like, you don't believe me, d And he's like, you know me. See, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether or not I believe you. What matters now is what you're going to do with the situation you find yourself in. He said, I do not think you were crazy. There's no history of mental illness. You were not hallucinating. I think you were shaken, but you will recover. But let me ask you

5:27 this. And I'm getting ready to leave right at this point, and I'm just furious, and he said, have you considered that there could be other people who have experienced something similar to what you did? And Jeremiah, that was that was it. That was all it took. I went straight home and I was like, pale, weird looking humanoid in rural area. I don't know exactly what I searched, but that's when the you know, search history starts popping up and I'm seeing all these stories and initially I was kind of I was disappointed because I thought this is all fiction. But then I find crawler Sightings subreddit, and that's kind of like the holy grail of this stuff because people I asked on there once, I'm like, how many of us found this subreddit because we saw something and we did a Google search and this is where it brought us an oah, it was an overwhelming number of people. So I stayed up the whole night reading through stories and that I was seeing that a lot of people were mentioned in this trail cam photo and saying what I saw looked just like the creature in the trail camphoto, even though that's been debunked. But they were so insistent on letting everyone know they knew that picture was fake. It was like they had to include that part.

6:43 And I thought, well, that's very odd. You know, I have a strange mind. I like I look for little things like that, and I questioned them, so probably fell asleep on my computer that night. Next morning I woke up and I searched, you know, Crawler Trail camphoto and it popped up on the screen and I vomited because that was I mean, it looked identical to what I'd seen and I couldn't believe it. It was like right in front of my face, and I thought, well, how could this be fake? How could so many people say they saw this and it's fake. And that's when I went real deep into trying to figure out exactly who said it was fake, why they said it was fake.

7:24 You know what criteria was used? This is this is on YouTube, the video investigation and you know this, I successfully countered every claim that the picture was an authentic It's I believe it to be an authentic picture, and since then a lot of other people do too, So that was that was a success because at first I needed to know for myself, but I think I kept going because I needed other people to believe me because I didn't want to feel so crazy. You know that, it's the recap. After that, I started writing a book, and then after the book, some other things came up, and it's a story that just continues to unfold in ways that just blow my mind because I think there can't possibly be anymore. We're at the end, and oh no, here comes something else. There's a I found out a moofon a report and movefon is the mutual UFO network. I believe I said that right, And they've been around for a long time.

8:31 They collect citing information and write reports on it. And so I got a hold of that. A lot's happened since. Got a documentary. Guys, the first episode. It's definitely worth listening to because in recent times I haven't seen anyone else go into research on something so intensely. It is fascinating the things that Missy did to look into the history of that photograph, which you can picture in your mind right now. And yes, we are talking about the cryptid that is considered as the rak Er, the Paiale Crawler, right, Missy, correct, Yeah, picture in your mind, me sitting at my desk. Call okay, so everybody thought it came from a video game called Insomnett Games. Picture. This is how this is hell insane. I am calling that company daily trying to find out information on if they were really the ones who put it out, and I was threatened with having the police called on me. This woman says, you're really getting on mine. Irs, lady, I told you we don't know anything, and of course they didn't because ten years had passed by the time, you know, I came on the scene. But yeah, that's how that's how crazy I went.

9:43 And even the news anchor because there's a there's a news story that was done on this and the and it's online too, And I even contacted her. I sent her flower so that she would call me and we had a nice conversation and we keep in touch to this day. So yeah, I went deep. I don't I'm so extra. Someone told me once, missye, your perspective is a million miles deep and an inch wide, and it pissed me off because it's true. That's awesome. We have talked off and on about this situation since then, and one of the things I really thought was fascinating is that when you started to dig into the same area, you started to find other people that had seen the creature as well. Correct, Yes, okay, so in my own area. Yes, the guy that cut my grass, you know, he I think I told you this in the last interview. I had to hire another yard guy and he, you know, comes over, well what do you do? I work from home?

10:48 Well what do you do from home? I write about what? And then, you know, I'm like, I don't want to answer this, so I go into it. I start telling him and he interrupts me, and he's like, wait a minute, was it super skinny? And like really pale? And I was like, is this guy kidding? Has he been tapping my phones like with a But no, he had not been. He and his girlfriend saw the same creature, and I even Jeremiah. I went as far as to take out ads in the local paper. Okay, so I'm the village idiot, and I'm cool with that. I'll wear a T shirt that says it. I actually have a T shirt that says that someone made me. People will make fun of you, because that's just what they do. It's like, hive mind. You know, something a little bit strange. We don't understand it, so we're gonna make fun of it because that makes us look real cool. We shot a documentary, well the first part of it, in January, and interviewed a couple of these people and I mean there are clusters of sightings. And it's very interesting because when you plot these points, when you have the geographic location. And I found this, I say by accident. I don't believe there are accidents anymore. It's I mean, if there are, it's very hard for me to believe.

11:58 But some god did this map, and it's called the Map of the Dead, and it plots the points of all of the cemeteries across the United States, and of course the South has a lot more because of our history with the Civil War, and so you overlay this crawler sightings map over the top of it. And because we have less people per square mile and more places to hide, you would expect that the sightings would be less because the population is not as dense. But that's not what you see. What you see is a lot more sightings in these areas around these cemeteries where you know the population is way less, it's way less dance, there's way more surface area, and you don't see so many up north where there's not as many graves.

12:45 And I say that just because the conclusion I have reached is that this thing is what was once referred to as a ghoul or Gawa, and that is ancient. It predates Islam, it goes back to ancient Mesopotamia. Actually got the chills from that realization when you talked about overlapping the maps. That is wild talking about the clusters. That actually leads me into one of the questions I have from one of my Patriot members, Christopher. And Christopher wants to know, are there any updates about the animal sanctuary that was next to her sighting? Has there been anything else that's come up with that. There has, Yes, there has. We go out and talk to them, but I've got to I've got to hold back on that because that's in the documentary. And I can talk about the documentary and a lot of things about it, but you guys are going to lose it. Yeah, I love it. That's enough for me just to know that, yes, there is an update and you gotta you gotta wait, let's talk about what's happened with the documentary so far. A very very good friend of mine. We work together on some things. He's pretty well known. He does YouTube. Awesome guy. We you know, we'd gotten to be good friends. And I was like, you know, I know people are supposed to say, let's start a band, but let's do a documentary because we're both nerds, right, And he was like, yeah, let's do it. So we you

14:18 know, we made the plans and I came up with a funding on Owan and I was like, we're going to do this. And when you have never done film before, which neither of us have, it is, oh, I bet you and mister Breedlove could tell you everything will fall apart and come back together a million times in a day. And it is hard work and it is emotional and at the at the end of the day, it just was not for him, not because he's not capable, but you know, it just it was my project and it was kind of hard to bring someone in who you know what I'm saying Like, it just felt very much like even though it was hard, and even though we hated, we kind of needed to probably part ways and let me do this and then let him do his thing. And so now we're at a point where we're going to have to do a part two of filming and we'll have to crowdfund that because they say, what do they say, don't invest money, you can't afford to lease, And so I've invested what I could afford to lease, and now I'll have to crowdfund the rest, but I have no doubt it'll be made. I have all the faith because I just think not just because it's my story, it's just such a good story and it's not just about a monster. Like I went through a lot just going through this entire thing.

15:33 It was like life was one way. I saw this thing. I, you know, go on this journey trying to figure out what I've seen, and these are the things I found. These are the people that I found that have also seen it and what in the high strangeness is going on here? You know? So I think it's a really compelling story. You know, I want to say this. Before I filmed a documentary, I thought, oh, this this stuff is fake. You know this is and I knew they were doc many things that were happening, but when people would talk, I thought, ah, this is acting, and I'm going to tell you. I gave a final interview and that's what you heard. And it was a little awkward to get started, but then once I did, it was like there was no camera there and I don't know what came over me, but it was just like all in that moment I was realizing how affected I had been by this. I'm getting tears here we go, because it's like, what do you do with that? You know, you have this thing happen and it's not normal, and you get these sadways glances at the grocery store because everyone knows you're that girl. You're that girl talking about that crazy stuff. And it was like there was no camera there that, there was no acting, it was just raw. It was just me telling a group of strangers, basically because some of these crew members I'd only known for a few days, just exactly what I went through. And that was enlightening to me. It gave me a a lot of respect for documentaries and exactly what they are because a good director, a good director of photography Seth knows

17:07 this, I bet you anything. They know exactly what to say to pull from someone what they need to pull. And you might even not, you might not even know you have that in you, that that needs to come out of you. And they do though, they know, and they know how to pull it. And I have an excellent team, so I'm excited. The title is Pale by the way, the title of the documentary we called it. We titled it Pale because these creatures are pale, and you know, it's just a pretty simple word, and I think it's cool. So that is exciting. There's definitely going to be links in the show notes for people to look into helping with that. Do you have all the people lined up that you would talk to for part two when you resume filming again, or okay, so I've got this casting I say casting director, and that sounds like just film, but it's also called a asking director for a documentary. We want to follow more than just my story, because you have me and I am extra and I just dove deep in and couldn't stop.

18:10 But it's funny that people will have very different reactions to the same phenomena. So we are looking for a couple of more people that we that are willing to let us follow them, either go to them, bring them to us, and learn as much about them and who they were before and what happened and who they are now as we learn about me. But on top of that too, we want as many stories as we can get. Anyone who is willing to get on a zoom call and tell us about what they went through. I mean, you know, we want as much as we can get anybody who has a story for this. We're talking about pell crawlers, rakes, but yeah, that would be fabulous. Anybody out there that's listening and either has a story of their own or knows someone with a story, definitely have them get in touch with me. These can be accounts from anywhere in the US. Sounds like yeah, sure even I mean, okay, so we're only going to be able to fly to people who were in the US or fly them to US. But I don't care what country you're in.

19:12 These things are seeing all over Australia, Ukraine, Poland any story you have, we want your zoom interview too. And I understand that a lot of people have Okay, so I was very lucky I did not have an employer I had to answer to you when I decided to start talking about this. We understand that some people do, and they you know, they don't want to talk about it because they don't want to lose a job. We're more than willing to if you want to share your story. And I'm going to tell you it is very healing. It is very healing, especially to find a community of people who know exactly what you're going through. We can with their their methods that we can use to you know, ultra voices, blurfaces. But I mean I want, I want as many as we can get. I'll tell you what. I've made some TikTok videos and I don't think we've really talked about this yet because I was kind of holding on for the interview. The pale crawler rate community on TikTok is pretty wild. What do you mean. There's a lot so if you if you go over to the Bigfoot Society TikTok, a lot of people would would send me accounts and like I would, I would share them. And what started to happen is it started to become very evident that people were seeing something with the same description around the Lake Texoma area of Texas and Oklahoma. That's interesting you say that, because that was okay when we start, when we start, this is crazy when we start filming again, that's where we wanted to go. That's

20:45 one of our destinations. Oh miss oh, missy, you have to do everything in your power to go to that area. Listen, not because of what you just said, just because my director of photography is from there. Oh my goodness, this is like Synchronousy Town, USA, So it doesn't stop. It's wow. Let me let me just tell you a few of the things, and I'm gonna have to look through my messages and maybe try to see if I can get some people hooked up with you. But I've had a guy working for the railroad that he was on the train and he saw one of these things when he was on the train, I think was on the tracks behind the train. I had a gentleman that was sending me photos. And this is all in this like Lake Texoma area, but it's not just like and if you talk to people around there, they're probably going to call it the Lakes Texoma creature because I kind of might. I may have called it that, but it may be a thing. But anyways, there's also like a lot of like ghost sightings, paranormal sightings, bigfoot sightings.

21:52 That whole area is like very very steeped in weirdness. So to hear that you're already planning to go that to that area super exciting to hear you're going to straight gold. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned the paranormal stuff because when I was younger prior to this, citing My relationship to the paranormal was just as a kid, I saw a lot of ghosts and I was asked like, well, what do you think it's you or the house or the And I'm like, it's the world, it's this is this stuff is everywhere. It's not just one person in one house, one area. I do tend to believe that it's the land more than anything when you're dealing with like, uh, you know, paranormal activity, But it's everywhere. It's not just one person. I mean, we all love to think we're special.

22:44 I mean I love to think that I'm special, But it's it's it's the land, It's it's everywhere. It's very pervasive, and I do believe that there are certain spots for some reason, be it lay lines or you know, magnetic field and amies. For some reason, it's a lot more prevalent in certain areas. So that is very interesting. I cannot wait to tell Sarah. Sarah is my projector my projector what is she called? Director of photography? Come on, as you get it together, that's what she is. That's awesome. Oh man, we'll talk about this later too. But it's like, go over to the TikTok that blew up, and you'll have to spend like two weeks looking through all the comments. There's so many.

23:34 I hope some of these people would be willing to connect with me because the thing, you know, my cat, the casting director, she wants to make a Reddit and go on and ask Reddit. They're so mean, They're just so Some of them are nice, and the ones that are nice are super nice, but they just constantly are calling you a liar. You you put me in touch with a psychologist and she says to you, I mean, you know the story. I've got patients coming in talking to me about these things. And since then she and I have got you put me in touch with her, We've gotten close, and she had some amazing things to say, and so I asked, you know, permission, just to post a screenshot of a text, not give any identifying information, because that's I'm not that could very very much harm her career. But I share this and people are like, this was totally made up. A psychologist wouldn't say this.

24:29 That's a hip of violation. And I'm like, you, guys, this is this is what they mean by Reddit. Haveimind first of all, a hippo violation would be disclosing personal patient data like their names. Second of all, her conversational style is not required to be a certain way. They also said, oh yeah, I'm a therapist too, and I would never talk that way. Well, that's because that's you. It doesn't mean she's lying. So to hear that I could get a TikTok and potentially find people who were not just jerks. You know, that is very very exciting to me because I was a little concerned about how we were going to go about that. So thank you, and absolutely I probably I probably won't sleep tonight. I'm going to be on TikTok and I'm you're not going to sleep for the next month. But thank you. You don't know what's coming. It's it's intense, so it'll be fun to see what comes comes of that.

25:18 You had sent another interesting thing my way. You've been looking into something about giants in your state, So we can go into that right now if you want to, or we can talk about the move On report. Oh my goodness, yes, the move On report totally. We often need to talk about the AI analysis of the chalk can. Yes, let's do it. Okay, all right, so move On report. So it reads, I want to tell you the background on this, my friend, it was originally posted and they're talking about this chalcompette. This was originally posted on a hunting forum. I was dealing with a similar type of creature on a video camera that was the subject of a serious move On investigation in Mississippi, and that's where I live. This game camera was from Berwick, Louisiana area, which is right outside of New Orleans. The camera owner didn't want to be publicly identified, but was seriously freaked out and gave the footage to one of his buddies to see if he could find out anything something, anything about what this was. Then it appeared on the local news. Neither of the two know how this image ended up on the local news because neither one of them were responsible for sending it. But then here we were because it was somewhat somewhere to the creature we had on the videotape and not that far away. The moodfind investigators investigated the trail canfoto as well, and I think that had been

26:49 a few months earlier. The Moodfin investigator was from Slidedale, and I believe Jeremiah Sliddale is in Mississippi. It could be Louisiana, but she contacted the news reporter and at about that time, and the news reporter was declaring that it was a fake and what do we know, Jeremiah. When I spoke to her, she told me the same thing. She believed it was fake. She told him that someone called in and told them that it was a fake. The someone claimed to know the people involved, But the Move One investigator was able to get the name of the person who submitted the game camera photo to the news station, and not only did he did not being taken, he claimed he had never heard of, or met or knew anything about the individual that said the photo was a fake and knew him. Okay, So what they're saying there is and it's a little disjointed. The person who owned the photo is claiming they had no idea who sent it in and knew nothing about that person. Whoever that individual was who sent that picture in?

27:55 Was wasn't you anonymous to these people who actually were involved with the picture. Okay, So then it goes on to say he also confirmed with the person that gave him the game Gramaphodo, that he had no clue who that was, and neither did anybody else in the area. So this guy shows up asking for this photo and no one knows who he is, and he's the one that turned it into the news, and again no one in the area. It is a small town, no one in the area had ever seen him before or anything like that. And here's here's where it ends. The guy who actually took the picture said it was complete bs, but it spoops the camera owner even more and he wanted to just drop everything now and told him not to talk and told his friend, don't talk to anyone about this anymore. The move One investigator then went back to the news station to determine how they decided that the debunker was credible and discovered that they hadn't done anything to decide that the photo or debunker was credible, which was exactly what the news reporter told me. She said, you know, we didn't really do any investigation on our part, and this is what she told me when I interviewed her. She said, I was even scolded by our news director, like, don't run things unless you've you know, checked them out. So in conclusion, they just decided that the picture was believable because the creature was

29:26 running around in the swamp, or possibly made the debunker up because Moufin couldn't ever locate the guy who sent the picture to the news. I knew all this for an absolute fact, and I'm glad to go to court and put my hand on a bible. I will take a lot of texture tests. This is exactly what happened. The only reason that I know any of this is because I was helping me Fond as an investigator, and it occurred about ninety miles away from Louisiana, concerning some creatures that resembled that didn't look anything like Grace layardre Grays, but without the without the almond eyes. So that's how easy it is to debunk anything in this country. Just make it up, make up that it was faked, change a little detail, and the Internet does the rest of the work. And that's exactly what happened. Oh my goodness, that's that is wild, is it not? It's it's I mean it just to read that, you know the validation because what he's saying, I know is true. I've got the I and I'm going to release this too. My conversation with the knees Anger, who aired it. She said those things that this guy is saying, she said, I mean to a tea. She told me the same thing, and that's you know, I mean, it would be really hard for him to know what she said to me. This recording. I have my conversation with her. It's it's over a year old, you know. And I found this move on or the guy alluding to the moof On report. The actual report I'm still waiting

30:56 on because it costs six hundred dollars. So, like, I mean, I filled out all the paperwork and tried to get it sent to me, but it's going to take a little bit longer. But I mean, I'm not surprised, you know, I'm not surprised that this is this is what came of it. I mean, this is what I knew. I just knew. So that's definitely very very interesting. There are so many twists and turns for this story because because you're presented with this and you just think, I mean and I'm not, I'm not. You know me too, this is this is so absurd, like how could it possibly be true? Right?

31:37 And then you look into it and you find out more and more and or not everybody, but somebody crazy like me and you like, we just keep digging, right, And it's still interesting that people, even presented with information like this hard proof, they still can't accept it. And it used to really bother me because I wanted everybody to understand this is happening. But I'm fine now with people. I mean, why would I Why would I be upset that they didn't believe it. You know, they're entitled to believe what they want to believe, and that's fine. They're not for me, But I know there is a group of people out there who are all about this stuff, and so they are for me. Those are the people I'm talking to. That's who I you know, I get up in the morning, I do these things for them. Like Christopher who had the question about the animal sanctuary. Yeah, I'll remember his name and I'll you know, I don't mind giving Christopher a snink peek. I'm pretty generous. So if you have, if you have the ability to get in touch with him, I can give him a little bit about what we found out was absolutely Yeah, we can make that happen for sure. Yeah, it's a documentary gonna go into If you think these are creatures that are interdimensional. Well, I'm trying to be leveling or like they are they attacking people or is it kind of a thing where they're just we're not really sure if they're good or bad

33:08 creatures. I guess maybe you could say it. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna give away a little bit from the documentary. This. This may make me yeah, I'm sure this this is small and and it may make me tear up, and this is just my experience, but I don't I've never read a report of them attacking a human. They flee And because of what I went through, for the entirety of the process of you know, seeing it being one way my life changing. I've said I was probably not the nicest person, and this happened, and my capacity for compassion just expanded, Like I suddenly was completely aware of how my actions affected others. And I asked my partner at the time, who was working on with me, I said, you know, this thing is evil, and it certainly felt like it was evil. If it absorbs some of your evil, is it really that bad? And he said, you know that that's not so far fetched.

34:15 Theologically, that's that's that makes sense. Could it absorb malignancy, and it's possible. It's possible that it does, but that's my experience. That's why we want other people to tell what they went through and how it affected them. But even if it absorbs malignancy, I mean, I can thank it for that, but that could also be. Anytime you go through something traumatic and harsh, you're changed, you know, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. But for me, I was asked, you know, is this a good thing? Could you say? This is almost a good thing that has happened, And oh, man, I didn't like to say that.

34:57 I didn't know I saw a monster. I have based a career on being one of those crazy monster hunters. But of course it's a good thing. I mean, I just get the way I feel for my fellow human beings after here come to tears, after going through something like that, just you look at someone and you think, oh, they're awful, or I used to, and now I just think, I wonder what they've got going on, because you know, you just you never know, you never know. So man, it's going to be such an interesting documentary to watch, for sure, even knowing that the information, Yeah, there's a lot more though I mean, I've shared some because I think it's important too. But I have a publicist. She told me what I could talk about. That's good. That would be cool to have one of those. Look, if I didn't have her, I would have just sat here and told you the whole thing. And you know what, would any way have watched we had AI like really be come and doing this period. So I wondered, Well, first of all, I went on upwork, and I was trying to hire a proper forensic analyst because I'm an armchair right Like, I feel I did a very good job analyzing this thing, but I surely a professional knows more than I do. So I'm looking for people and I'm looking for them and then some guy tells me I can do it, and I ask him, well, what methods will you use? Well, I will look into

36:29 the layers, and I'm like, dude, I know more than you do. JPEGs don't have layers. What are you? Okay? What is happening? And so one of the recruiters, because I paid extra to have a recruiter place me, and he says, Missy, there's not going to be anybody who can tell you about this picture, like AI can run it through analysis see what they have to say. And I said, well, all right then, and that's exactly what I did, and it is very very interesting. I'm not going to go through the entirety of it because we went through so much. We went through so much, but I asked it, and I'm going to put a video out on this, the entirety of the AI analysis. But I said, I uploaded the picture and I said, could you please? And I always say please and thank you to chat.

37:15 You know, you never know. I would suggest everybody do that if they take us over. I want to be one of the ones that was nice. Yeah, so sorry, I'll topic. But I said, hey, chat, because I used the chat GPT analysis, the paid version. I said, could you please describe this image for me? And it says, you know. This image is a black and white photo, likely taken by a night vision trail camera given the timestamp and the grain equality. It features a startled animal, possibly a primate, in that interesting that I caught it a primate. It has large reflective eyes caught in the middle of the frame, looking directly at the camera. The animalists crouched and seems to be in motion with a blurred appearance due to the movement and the low light conditions.

38:06 The background is dark and wooded, typical of a night scene. So okay, that's what That's what I'm observing too, But I'm getting I mean, we went through looking at histogram profiles. We went through looking at I told AI that I wanted to know if the image had been intentionally manipulated. So I wanted it to look at the edges around the creature, and it said to determine if it has. If the image has been manipulated, one would typically look for signs of inconsistencies in lighting, shadows, edges, noise patterns, and compression artifacts. So then AI asked me, if you know, do you want me to perform that analysis? And so I said yes, and they did, and it says that they processed the image with a have passed filter and they ran edge detection and based on the filters, there were no clear signs of manipulation because they would show up as irregular edges or inconsistent noise patterns around the primate and none of these could be seen. So move into the very last question I asked, because there were a bunch more and I'll include this and probably in the nerd section of the book. I'm going to do an extra chapter that's just nerd section. Yeah. Well, you know the book. Initially I had somebody go through it and they were like, mis see, this is a mess, And of course my ego was all wounded. But I kind of crammed all the technical information into one single

39:37 chapter, like assuming everyone thinks like I do, which is crazy. So it was good that I had someone who was okay to upset me a little bit and say, you know, this could be better. So but okay. So by the time we get to the end of the analysis, there was one last question I asked, and it was was to me, the most profound. It went into discussing the halo effect people were arguing about. I was right about that. It was because of the washout Albeita. It was the problem with the camera adjusting to light and dark. So here's here's the here's the kicker, all right, I said, So if an image is if an image was edited thirteen years ago, the manipulation could the manipulation detection techniques we have available to us today pick up on an edit or a manipulation that was done thirteen years ago. And it said, so, if an image was edited thirteen years ago, the manipulation could potent could potentially go undetected by the tools of that time. It might be more easily spotted with today's advanced analysis techniques. However, the effectiveness of current tools can still depend on the quality and resolution of the image, as well as a skill with which the manipulation was made. High quality edits done by a skilled individual could

41:09 still be challenging to detect with even modern tools. But if an image created and manipulated thirteen years ago, we're to be analyzed by the tools available today. Unless it was a unless it was just a very small edit, the likelihood of it going undetected is virtually impossible. Dang, I mean, does it not make sense? Yeah? For sure. Yeah, and that when I read that, I'm not gonna lie. I cried because I knew that, but just to read it like that, just to have it told me in that way that you know, it was validating and validation as medicine, especially when you're dealing with high strangeness. And so I can't get all how it said primate a few times. Well, listen, that's weird. Well, see, here's what's real? Weird crafts on me a couple of times and I had to start over. Initially it said deer, and that was strange to me because and this will probably be a part two documentary. I've got some images I'm going to send you, Jeremiah, where there is this halo or or it's like a mist and these deer are coming in and out of this miss and kind of transforming. I don't know, no, no, no, no, yes, I know not deer stuff. Could it

42:40 be It's possible. Yeah, well, I mean that's what I'm thinking is portal. And one of the one of the images that I have was sent to me by a guy who lives down the road who would have been in a house like three doors down from where I was when I saw this thing. Yeah. So there's just so much you could fit into one documentary where you're gonna have to go, Okay, well, let's let's say this part for a part two because it's a little bit you don't want to overwhelm people. The primate thing. Have you ever considered I don't know even know how you would do this, but like taking some computer program and taking that image and like adding hair to it. Just to see what it would look like.

43:27 I have, I have done that. It still doesn't it still does not look like any known primate. Okay, you know, and if there is anybody who is a photoshop expert, I dabble. I'm self taught. I'm decent, but I'm not, you know, a professional. I'm more than willing to give them what they need. I would love I mean, I would love to see that done by someone else, because different artists can have different interpretations. Right, So, but I had said, I wondered initially, is this a primate with mange? Is this an albino because the arms are so long, just like primate arms, right? Or is it a bigfoot with minge? You know? Is it? I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. There was a very interesting story I got not too long ago, and this guy saw a group of them in a field behind his friend's house and he said, there were so many, so many. I've got the I've actually got the story.

44:30 A group of them, Wow, he said, like fifty and so. So. First I read this and I'm like, Okay, this guy's full of it, you know, But then the more he gets into it, and then from what I know from speaking to Rick grabbing it. Wait a minute, did I tell you I spec Rick grabbing it? No, Okay, we talked because and let me know later if it's something I need to cut out. But that's a gentleman that had the video on the portrait correct. Yeah, we don't have to put this. We don't want to go into Okay, So there was an issue that came up. Rick had a friend I say friend with quote fingers. So the first video Rick put out was the one everybody is just so freaked out by. Right, But then his friend says, you know, Rick, you need to put on a costume and we need to paint you white and record you so that we can let these people know how impossible it would be that that was you out there.

45:24 Now Rick thinks that's a great idea because he's a down to earth guy. He sings, he's nice, I mean, wonderful dude. Well, the friend's thinking, I can make people think Rick faked this. Do you understand where I'm going with this? And so because of the way it was done, it kind of unfortunately discredited Rick in a way that was just super unfortunate. I will believe him till the day I die, because I watched that thing move, and I've seen one myself and other people who have seen them, there's no doubt in our mind. But the phasing in and out type thing, I'm getting ahead of myself. The guy the story, Okay, I'm about seeing fifty of them. Okay, let's see where is it.

46:16 Was that a guy who just randomly reached out to you or is that like a Reddit thing? Both? Okay, Yeah, that's what I read into a lot. People will reach out and Reddit and people will just rip into him, and it's painful. I really wish Reddit could kind of get out of that a little bit, because, I mean, you're already on a sub reddit about high strangeness. Why are you going to tell us why they didn't see what they saw or that they're not telling the truth. You know, this guy, he doesn't want his name mentioned, so he said to call him. I'm not gonna repeat that. We'll call him guy Missy.

47:00 I have seen hundreds of these things at night in the woods and the rural areas around Memphis, Tennessee, started around twenty twenty. They are tall, humanoid creatures with blacked out eyes, and they moved slowly and in strange, jerky movements. The first time I saw them, I was visiting a veteran friend of mine who was down on his luck. It was about midnight on Thanksgiving in twenty twenty. He had been living in a rundown camper vehicle at the edge of the woods on his brother's property. Between his camper and the tree line, there was the remains of an old trailer that had been destroyed by a tornado. There was a street light on top and a pole that was used to run electricity to the destroyed mobile home. On the other side of the pole was approximately fifteen yards meters of a field that was an old dirt road that split in half with tall grass and brush at the edge of the far side of the field, after which the tree line started.

48:06 I thought that there were people hiding there at first, because they seemed to be grouping more in the darker areas where the light from the pole was not near as bright. So I asked my friend about him, and he shrugged it off and said, oh, well, you know, they've always been there and they don't bother me. So he shrugs it off, and I'm thinking what, So he also told me that no matter what you did, you could not get close to one. Well, me be in a combat veteran with two deployments under my belt and my personal firearm for my vehicle, I tempted to approach these things. As I got closer, I noticed that they were solid white creatures with solid black eye sockets that moved in a jerky but very slow manner. There had to be fifty or more in that field, down the dirt raid and at the edge of the tree line and beyond.

49:00 I continue to walk towards them, and all of a sudden, they all looked at me, all at once, with black, empty looking sockets, and instantly caused me to feel fear, more fear than I have ever felt in my entire life. I did not approach that night. I turned away and got out of the area. My buddy I took him with me, and he said at my place. For a few days. Since that first time I've seen them, I've seen them about a dozen more times, always at night and around a wooded area, at all different locations. I've since tried to run and catch them, and I have failed, because the creatures simply disappeared the moment I closed in within five to ten yards and I lost direct eye contact for just a mere flash. It's like they could phase in and out or something. If you get close, you can see that the weird jerky movement, it's part of them. Arms, legs had disappearing and then reappearing in a different position. I think they disappear anytime they move, so they can't be seen if they walk. I've pumped forty five five point fifty six millimeter in sceniary rounds from my AR fifteen into one of them without a single shred of evidence left behind. These things do make audible noises.

50:23 Animals see them, However, I've tried to show them to people, and only about half of the people i've shown them to actually see them. And I've wondered if I was losing my mind, and if anyone else has seen them and or tried other experiments with them. I've searched all over the internet and only found a few cryptic creatures that share one or two similar things to them, but nothing that was close enough for me to be satisfied. That is, until I came across you in your video and your determination to figure out what is going on, the thing that was really close was the origin of white zombies. I'm not sure, missy, if you've heard of these, but it wasn't really that either. There's been a few people tell me this is a shape shifting creature, but I don't know. They seem to be of different sizes. Some are large, some are small, and they group up in what I came to call family clusters, four to five of them, usually with two taller ones and one small one or two smaller Missy, You've done an awesome job. Keep up the great work. Please don't ever quit, and please stand touch. Yeah that was yeah, the the phasing in and out. That goes back to what our private contractor says, right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome. Yes, yes, but yeah, it made sense to me when he talked about the phasing in and out. And if you will go and look, I'll

51:57 put this video. Rick has given me full rights to use that video, and I have the original, and I'm gonna tell you this, the one on YouTube it's not near as clear as their original. And that goes back to that video of that moose on the south of Rade. I swear the first time I swore the first time I saw the video of the moase on the souther Raid. And if people don't know what I'm talking about by the time of the episode is I will have everything up on the website. You can you can reference when I first saw that Jeremim, I thought wow, But then I saw it again and I was like, I was positive. This thing was much clearer when I saw it the first time. Same with the rid grabbing it video. It is far more clear and it is jerky.

52:40 The movements are crazy, and that was my experience of seeing one. A lot of people described this, and it could be that they are phasing in and out of existence. You know, it's who knows wild all day. I love stories like this. I absolutely love it when it's like you just start pulling a little bit out of thread and just all starts going nuts. Yeah you know you said, yes, you said that to me. I think the first night that we ever had our conversation. Yeah. I get up to get take a shower and get ready for bed. I've got a thread stuck to the back of my foot and I cannot find the end of it. And I was like, this is seriously happening right now, this is happening. Yeah, this means we're supposed to be friends forever.

53:25 Maybe that's what I don't know that would you like to hear what I found out about the giant? Sure? Okay, I don't know if this is going to be enough for a documentary. Well, actually I think it might be. Okay. So you hear about giants corpses being recovered, right, and there's books written on the Smithsonian apparently has this huge cover up going on. And in my research initially for these crawlers, I got a quote from the Army Corps Engineers and a lot of people would be surprised to know that the Army Corps Engineers collects a lot of dinosaur fossils. Really, and one of them oh absolutely yeah, Well because you know they're they're building dams, they're hollowing out areas, and they take ownership of these. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah. So this woman made this really interesting comment on their website and she said, we have a collection that is so vast it expands the entire palaeontological record. And I thought, lady, that is a bold that is it? I mean, a bold statement. So a lot of farmers back from the eighteen hundreds they talked about finding these corpses and the Army corp of Engineers would come or some government agency would come scoop them up. And so they say they're at the Smithsonian Institute. Okay, but have you ever heard about a live giant being found? A live one today? As in

55:00 well it was eighteen seventy seven, Yeah, so yeah, today, I would say, I would think today, Yeah, okay, there's a news article and I'm like, you know, I think I'm probably gonna just I may do a video on this and have it out by the time that your episode comes out. Okay, So eighteen seventy seven, you have this news article come out. It talks about a footprint that was found, and it talks about, you know, the townsfolks getting scared and let me pull let me pull up my notes on this real quick, because I've got some really good ones. And so the men of the town decided to go see the footprint, and they took with them some very well established gentlemen, a doctor, a reverend, because they felt like, you know, they're going to tell the truth. They're credible, right, So they go and they look and they see that, in fact, it is a massive footprint and the town kind of goes into hysteria, like what is what's going on? What is this thing? So the men of the county, which would have been Jackson County, Alabama, which is near Huntsville, and I do plan to go there and get some footage of where all are awsome. Yeah, well I have to, you know, I'm in Columbus, Mississippi, sometimes Millport, Alabama. So they get together their posse and they're like, we're, you know, we're going to go look for this thing. I'm not going to read the entire articles, but I will put them on my website for

56:30 people to download. But the headline is Jackson County Giant, the most wonderful creature ever seen in Alabama. Supposed it to be a species of the broadag nags. And I think that's from Gulliver's travels. I don't think they had another word, but that's just what they used. Caught. But makes makes his escape, and this is eighteen seventy seven, and it goes into the the you know, the whole saga, the footprint, deciding they're gonna get three hundred men together and go look for it. So this colonel goes and he climbs July Mountain, and he has his spectacles and he's looking and he motions down below to the man. Okay, i've got him, I see him. Let's go. So off they go, and they approach the giant and he wakes from his slumber. They say that bones are all over the ground from his morning feast, and the dogs are hesitant to kind of attack him, but they, you know, some of them get brave and he starts picking them up and chucking them at the men on the horses. Oh wow, yeah, Well, nobody was hurt necessarily. But then he takes off running and he gets caught between a gulch and it's my understanding that a gult is just two mountains that are beside one another that kind of begin to narrow. So once he's caught in that, they tie him up and they measure him, and one of the colonels he's like, what a glorious job we've done, gentlemen, look at this beast. What a glorious job.

58:04 And I'm like, these I mean people back then, they were of a different breed, right, Yeah, So they measure him and I actually had a paleo artist recreate an image of this thing and it is. I mean, you would think it would be bulky, but it wasn't. It was very bony. So they measure him and unfortunately he makes his escape. He does, he pulls all the rapes from his body and he takes off towards what they call San Sand Mountain. Now, I went back and every single person mentioned in that article. I made sure that it was actually a person who lived and died. I want, you know, because that matters to me, right, that's the credibility aspect of it. And then something very interesting happens. In nineteen thirty six. You get another article about this thing because interest is building again, you know, people are asking about it.

58:55 And the author or the writer of the art article, he quotes the original eighteen seventy seven article, but he kind of leaves something pretty important out and says that he never that the group never did catch the giant or see the giant. And I'm like, that's really strange because its detail to leave out. Yeah. Absolutely, And they've got this other guy. His name is Europe. What was it Europe, Yeah, Europe cart called well. Now, his brother was one of the ones that went out and measured the giant, and his brother was King Caldwell, so Europe Calledwell in nineteen thirty six, is on his deathbed, and he said, oh yeah, we just we all said that just to prevent people from stealing chickens. And then he says something very interesting, Jeremiah. He says, you know, none of the more educated folks actually believed there was a giant. That's a tactic because if you can take a marginalized group with society and have this story or this belief and just attribute it to them, then it makes others not want to be attributed to that. They will automatically not believe it. That's manipulation at its finest. No, Europe called Well. Something else interesting about him.

1:00:22 He had a sister called Almeida, and King Caldwell is the gentleman who went to help find the giant. And this is Europe's older brother. Now, for some reason, Almeida wanted her brother to have nothing to do her brother, Europe nothing to do with her estate. And that's family drama, and I can only speculate. But for whatever reason, she didn't think very highly of Europe. And so we're here we have Europe telling people that it was all just a fake thing, that happened. Somebody put on stilts and put those prints in the ground, and there was no giant. But for some reason Almeida did not like Europe and left her entire fortune to her brother King.

1:01:04 Well, she did not count on King passing away before Europe, and that's what happened. And so just by intercession laws, which are you know, inheritance laws Europe, the guy who was probably fibbing, he was able to participate in his sister's estate. So that's that's what kind of got Europe is. But we have got I think what we have here is a antique article of fake news that is finest and and what's fake is there actually was a giant that was captured then. And here's the last thing I'm gonna say about it. The Cherokeys have a legend about the slant ad giants. And I wondered because because people seem not to be orientalized, but I wondered if something got lost in translation, maybe, So I asked a friend of mine, if I were to say this, what does this mean? Does this mean you know their eyes are more shaped almond? And they said no, that means they open perpendicularly side to side instead of up and down. Oh wow, And that was one of the exact descriptions that was given. So did you talk to someone who is familiar with the Cherokee language. Yes, yes, wow. And they said that they said, so much is lost in translation. And so I asked, I said, would it be fair to say that a lot of these legends you guys have that people call mess

1:02:37 these aren't missed at all. These are your experiences that you're sharing, and people are kind of, you know, brushing them off as if they're just nothing. And the guy got a tear in his eye and he was like, you get it, And that was very Yeah, here I go get an emotional again. That meant a lot to me because the amount of respect I have just you know. And then the I'm so sorry for what my ancestor did. Even though I'm told it's not your fault. You didn't make this choice, we inherited it. I still feel a responsibility for what was taken from them. Sure. So the fact that he was willing to talk with me about that and confirmed that, yes, this is what it means, this is what you know. The slanny giants their eyes opened side to side and stood up up and down. So that, Yeah, that was a really interesting one because this isn't poems. This is a live giant that they were chasing down. So man, when I remember when I was reading all the stuff you were sending over and I was like, this is wild, and I don't know how she has the time to look into this on top of all the other stuff she's doing. It's well, wow, it is intense. I'll tell you how. I'm just driven by something that I cannot even explain, and I can't. I mean, it's fun for me.

1:03:52 I can't stop. I can't stop. The people who were mentioned in the articles, I went back. I found their pictures when they were available, I found their headstones. I wanted to know that these were actual people who lived and died, and I found pretty much every one of them. I don't know if I'll go to Jackson County, Alabama before the documentary shooting, probably because we're you know, we're still needing a couple of subjects, and I'm gonna hit up Reddit if you'll link me or maybe introduce me and be like, hey, this is Missy. She's cool, she's not gonna make fun of you. She needs some help. That would be great because sometimes I can rub people the wrong way. I don't mean to. I love everyone, but you know, they think that I'm a little crazy.

1:04:35 I don't think so. I think the TikTok community would love you, and man, that is just it's such a good community. See people say that they make fun of you, and I I'm sensitive. I don't like to Well, okay, so yeah, I have a little bit of thick skin. But I've you know, I've looked into stuff on Reddit and like it gets rough there. But the people that are into a subject on TikTok and they're for it. Man. They were like, I've gotten accounts on that platform. I mean, people talk on that platform about what they've seen. They haven't shared it anywhere else. It's a really unique platform. And the algorithm is so strong. It's extremely strong. If you started to make tiktoks about pale crawlers and rakes, that's funny. You say that I'm like scared of TikTok, But I started on Reddit. That's where I started sparring with people, and you know, and I didn't bother me, So I think I'll be fun. Oh yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see you where this all heads next. But Missy, it has been a delight talking to you again. Of course, I always have so much fun. I'm interviewing you one day, that would be fun. Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

1:05:49 Do you mind before we head out, just reminding people how they can keep up today with what you're doing, how they can contact you about helping out with the documentary and all that. Sure. Yeah, I'm gonna give my phone number. I've got two, one for work and one for a professional. But my phone number, and I'll put it on my website too. It's US one six sixty two four nine seven twenty nine zero four. And to contact me, I'm on Facebook, but I'm really bad about replying the messages, so probably the best way would be to go to my website. There's a contact form, you know, and I'll have all my other information, my phone number, everything. It will be right there, and I will tell you if you're gonna call me or contact me through my cell phone, text me first, because I have a lot of anxiety sometimes and if I don't recognize number, I will not answer. So yeah, but my website and it's Missy Lee Starling dot com. That's M I S S Y L E. I g H S T E R L I N G.

1:07:00 And before I forget, I do want to say to Christopher, thank you so much for that question, because it just feels good to know people listen and I appreciate that. Ah, that's nice. Yeah, he will be excited to hear that, and then I'll get you guys connected. Thank you so much for coming on, Missy. It has been a pleasure. Ah, You're my favorite and you know it anytime. Again, a special thank you to Missy Lee Striling for coming back on the podcast to share what's going on in her world. If you want to share your Pale Caller encounter with her, and please do head on over to missus Lee Striling dot com. The links are in the show notes. Also, you'll find out there how you can help make Pale the documentary a reality. Do you wish there was more to this conversation with Missy, Well there is. There's an extra thirty nine minute She's stuck around and answered these Strange Days Conversation questions where we talk all about her viewpoint on the paranormal and what'll happen and in her past.

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1:12:08 and I can get out of here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw. I know what's out there, that's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you. No