Montana Bigfoot DNA Discovery / Unseen Sasquatch Trail Cam Photos / Ken Medsker

0:07 Now that's what I sent samples to four laps. Like I told you, their quoted help Alpha, Brobot, Charlie and David. Okay, the plimary result it okay, so really really can yes, wow, can you? Okay, I'm gonna ask questions and then you can shut me down. That's what I do is, yeah, I'm going to marry. They're doing further testing. I can really see a preliminary DNA results from the labs. All right, big for say, you've got the privilege of talking to miss Ken Metzker again from the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group. How's it going Ken?

1:07 It's going really good. It's going really good, Jeremiah, awesome. And we had talked way back. I looked it up in my records and it was about forty three or forty four episodes ago, episode two twenty back in February, I think the Montana episode, and a lot of people really liked that one. But you had you know, I was out out on the town Saturday night. I got a message from Ken and he was like, we got to talk. It's pretty important. I was like, oh, man, if Ken says it's important, we got a chat. So we set something up pretty quick. But Ken, what brings you back? Man? How's it going in Montana? It's it's going good. Like I was telling you, I just come out of eleven days in the Swan here in western Montana. Oh wow. We had a base camp. We did recover scat which I did send out to four labs and they're coded due to confidentiality.

2:07 I call them Alpha, Brago, Charlie, and Delta, and I'll give you the prominent results from them. Also some photographs and video I couldn't find. The one video that was recorded was sent to a photo analyst. Oh wow, and we have a lot happened. Yeah. Let's let's start with so that the listeners are on on board with us, talk a little bit about what exactly the Swan is. Okay, the Swan. If you go up the Blackfoot River, you swing north through City Lake, Big Salmon City Lake. You'll take you all the way up into East Glacier so you can go into Glacier Park there and then on into Canada. From there, it cross over the divide and you drop into eastern Montana. The Swan.

3:05 It nestles between the Mission Mountains and the Swan Range, which is a backbone of the Bob Martial Wilderness. So there's a massive area, a lot of small lakes streams in there within a radius of ten miles of location, which I'm not going to give out because I don't want everybody going in there right now with what's coming. Oh, there's probably came eleven streams, nine ten lakes, small lakes. Now those are now critical and I'll explain that when we get to the DNA and what the requests and the lots are requesting for me. Gotcha. So it's not easy to get to this area, is what I'm picking up. Well, you can drive right up through the middle of it. We're going to main highways, the off roads, some of them are good, some require four wheel drive. All right enough, And what was it that first drew you to this area to look for bigfoot in this area called the swan Can. Well, the two years ago, remember the video of the juvenile that came into the camp. Yes, that's what Jeff had talked to me about it. He had seen footprints and in the snow just basically the same area. So we decided let's let's do our first initial investigation in the swan and after that I've returned two three times a year.

4:35 This year it's more productive because I spent eleven days. Gotcha, gotcha? So where would you like to start, sir? Would you like to talk about who is with you and in the swan, or what the plan of attack in the swan was, or or what would you like to start with? Well, let's let's take I had mentioned in the previous one of the Saint Mary's I was one field research on my son's stepson's wife's property. Okay, and I sent you the two photographs have taken off the same trail camp. Yep, the top one you bring up, looks at it, you actually see the shoulder and the hair in the side of the neck as it walked up to the camera. Let me see if I can or a next one. Yep, okay, here we go. That one all right?

5:29 If you see on it, you can see the shoulder and the neck. Now what really and we didn't see that at first? Is the next one? If you look at it and then large it, you can actually see the fingernail of the bigfoot, his arm and hair and how muscular that army is. Oh, you're talking about it. It's in the let's say, if there's four quadrants to the photo, the left, the left, Yeah, upper the left. Do you see the fingernail? Oh, I can actually do Okay, So that's a thing. So usually Ken, when I get photos like this, I'm like, Okay, where's the red circles?

6:11 But I'm like, I I picked up on that before you said anything. I was like, what's going on in that upper left quadrant? That's really interesting, the definitive proof of Bigfoot on that property. Man, There is no if then butts about what that hand is. And as far as I know, this is the first actual photograph of a fingernail of Bigfoot. Wow. How how high was this off the ground? This drug can was seven feet off the ground. Oh wow. And what's really neat about it?

6:56 It's not a blurry photograph. It's you can see the hair on the arm. I'll pick that arm, is the hair on the hand, the shoulder and everything. Man, that that's wild. It's that's really crazy. Have these haven't been shared anywhere? Have they except to the group. It's like, oh, yeah, right to the Montana Group of course. Yeah. Man, So yes, your viewers, this is the first time anybody outside of the group has actually seen these two photographs. Wow, I'm sure you had these analyzed in certain ways. Yes, they're more impressive on a seventy TV. I'm sure they are. Yes, I did, and it's confirmed it can be the only one thing and it's big foot. It's not human, it's not a bear. The fact that that's around fingernail like us, like our human Holmo Sapien pretty much it says a story in itself.

7:58 Wow, it's not a claw like you're thinking a bear, mountain, lion or whatever. It's around figure nail like ours. I mean, Kenny, it's wild because it's like I'm trying to think of things that it could be, and it's like I can't think of alternatives. That is wild man. Now you've got to realize between that photograph just before that, where you've got the whole shoulder yep, here it is. There is seven second delay between that picture and the one with them. Wow. Where he's reaching towards that camera, so the camera is focused forward, is seven feet off the ground.

8:46 You're seeing the shoulder of something. Yes, And then and then you said it was a seven seconds later. How many seconds later was the delay? Seven seconds later? It's pointing reaching towards trail. Yep, so it's it's got we got the photos straight on. Then it's it's reaching towards something. You can see it's it's fingernail thumbnail. Oh man, that's wild. Yeah, it's a fingernail. It's confirmed. It's a fingernail. It looks like it might be this one, the index finger. Yeah, let's go back to it. He's doing this. Let's go back to it. Here there we go. Wow, So Jery cam at seven and a half feet off the ground a dangle of the art hand and everything. He was taller than that. Because it looks like he's reaching down to it. It's not a bear, no, it does. That's not even close to a bear's hand like, right, that doesn't even make sense because bears have claws unless someone is in a bigfoot cost like it. Just that doesn't even make sense.

10:00 You got to remember this is private property, and that was the only one allowed in there to do field research. So let's let's talk it. So it's private property. Are there a lot of neighbors around or is it pretty remote or what's it's pretty remote? There are some neighbors, but they're not real close to this twenty acres. And if you look at you see in that one photograph of the shoulder, you can see how heavy the forst is there September on that property, there's areas where I talked before about the log being thrown at us. It's more open and that's in the logged out area on the property. But this is what the property, especially down along the stream, looks like. Wow, have there been reports of big foot messing around on this property? Can? Yes? Screaming Yeah, a screaming beaten on the side of the house and everything. Oh, you gotta tell me about that. Dude. Well, like I said, I'm not really good faith with his wife right now. Okay, that's fine. I respect that. Yeah, no, no, no, because we're doing a night that night investigation. Yeah, she's a major in the military, so she thought she was going to be in charge, and I played my parises.

11:20 There's only one person in charge here and that's me and that's not you. Oh man, I know, I can't keep my mouth shut. But they sold the properties, so now I don't have access. But as far as I'm concerned, and I do have Native American consultants within the group now and they all this is exactly what they've seen on a big Foot. This is a big Foot. So they have seen stuff that is similar to this in the same region, is what you're saying. No, this is my Native Americans are black people, Okay, a Rapaho, Apache, Navajo, Sue, and Cheyenne. They're my consultants. I turned to the people that according to their their legend and their stories, is big Foot was already in North America when they made the crossing on the land the land bridge. Really big Foot was already here. Now since we talked, they did find They always said there was no primates in North America. This spring, Ah, they found small primary fossils in northern Canada. Now they found a larger primate fossils in a boat base in Wyoming. Wow. So, which puts primates in

12:50 North America. Now there's testing they're doing try to determine how old these fossils are, their jaw bones, stuff like that. Is there a DNA? We don't know. M Have you have you sent these photos to any what we say in quotes, Bigfoot experts or anything to have a look at them, or these really aren't out there yet at all? My goodness? All right, Jerebio. You and your group, that's what we're going to be watching. This are the first to see this, these two photographs outside the group members. All right, thanks Kenn. That's awesome man, that's roll.

13:39 I mean you look at that. I have other than a human, a primate and bigfoot only have rounded fingernails. I can't wait for I had no solid ten guys that are gonna be like, let me at these photos. I want to tear them apart, like it's gonna be amazing. Yeah, but you're not gonna be able to. Yeah, it's gonna be tough. Like that's wild, dude. Yeah, yes, nobody in a costume. You cannot do a fingernail like that in a costume because if you look real close, you'll see where it's been cracked, the lines and everything.

14:22 Yeah. Wow, they're on the right side of the fingernail. You see the cracks. And then if you really look close, yeah, see the cracks on the side. Yeah. And if you look close, you actually see the lines down the fingernail like ours. My goodness. Oh, go ahead and try to tear that at a park. That's that's gonna be some fun. Man. Wow, it's okay. So I know, we can't talk a lot about it. But so you're saying that when this this person owned the property, they were getting slaps on the side of their house. Yeah, they were getting vocalizations. Yeah, Now you've got to realize back then the first field trips where I got that one something in a different location black stooped overwalk by the trail camp, all right. At that time they had twenty forest fires around the Saint Mary's area, Okay, And what brought me over there was we I honestly think I couldn't get the vocalizations from then.

15:26 They did their phones inside the house they're too afraid to go outside, or probably two groups on verbal conflict, a group moving through the area because this group's a local group, this is their territory. So there was conflict with these two groups with the males, the alphas, two groups of warring Sasquatch or something to that. Wow, And then from then on they'd hear the screaming at night, knocked, something knocking on the side of their house and all that. And then they of course he asked me to go in, which well the wife was still alive. We went over and we spent what I think that was a three four day trip the first time to get a rough area. The second trip was after the wife had passed away.

16:18 I went over and put out more trail camps. Now I've increased our trail camps to ten instead of five plus we haven't we have new equipment. Now I went ahead and bit the bulletin. I now have a thermal imagy unit for at night. I've got a sounding recording device that comes un automatically. When this any voice sound real small, I can put in somewhere. It has an external might on a six foot chord, so I can have the two of them separate. I can basically guide the recorder itself. Wow, Ken, when you were there for the eleven days, did you did you see any other evidence that would also you know, did you see any tracks anything else that was like wow, Okay, there's besides this trail camp photo.

17:18 There's definitely some stuff going on here besides anecdotal evidence from Yeah, like I said, this was in Saint Mary's. Now we'll get to the photos from the swan. Okay, I know they are. Let me get to them because I got them on my laptop. Um, Okay, you really have to look good on. Back out of that to the first one, daylight. Let's see, all right, it's the second one. It says money at the bottom. Oh yep, this one, No that I'll get to you because I can't get saying that one. How about this one?

18:03 All right, let's see go to the next one. All right, this one all right? Now, if you really look at that, okay, and my blackfeet consultant he spotted am I doing? At first? There's one standing upright in the tree, and then down lower is a smaller one looking if you bring it in close, you can see the eyebrows on both of them. Go over, go over, go overt right? Yeah, straight straight in there? Oh right there, yeah, right there? Oh man, and look what's above it? Uh? Do the do the right?

18:51 Okay? Oh right here right there. Wow. According to the photo analysts, there's possibly another one in there he can't bear by, but there's definitely two. That's wild. Yeah. These these were taken during the day, um and the trail camp was probably seventy five yards away, so especially especially the one where it's the first one that got pointed out, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what to think of that man like you there people are that are going to try to tear this. The part is super bad, but it's like I personally, I think that it's almost like you can see a face of some sort right right there. It's a distance. You got to realize. Yeah, it's a distance. These aren't taking off close, man. That's why I not like that hand and that other that shoulder, that's close. These are at a distance. My Native American are running Crane.

19:52 He's the one that spotted both of those. Okay, no little history about him. Him and he has a team on the Black Reservation eastern Montana. They do bigfoot research on the Native Americans reservations throughout the West, and I have been fortunate to be invited this summer to come over and spend five days with them doing field research, which I will be doing. Wow, I have an opportunity. I'm not going to fast up. Yeah, these guys are my consultants. Their history farther along than ours. Aren't all the joban A question about this photo. Did you try to see if you could figure out exactly how high off the ground that? Okay, that looks like a facial We're gonna get there. Okay, Okay, now you're going to go down to one and we find it. Okay, No, well I know it's this one probably. Yeah, all right, that's just beyond there.

21:03 I'm five foot nine, okay, and if you look straight ahead where that base and everything's out. See, I'm going to go back and forth straight ahead. Yeah. Wow, that's taller than me. Man, it definitely is. Yeah, that's I didn't realize that that jerild Camp took picture me. That's my youngest daughter to come with me. So that gives you a good reference point a fight, very very interesting. Yeah, and I'm sorry. I don't care what anybody says. I know what we're dealing with.

22:00 I agree with running crane. It is something there, is it? Bigfoot? We're not going to commit to saying yes. I wanted to, Now, if you go down a little bit farther, real quick, I wanted to go back and forth between this one okay and this Okay? Interesting? Yeah, it's almost okay because I'm just looking between the two real quick. Yeah, I don't see it. I wasn't see it in this one. Yeah, it wasn't there when we walked after setting the trail count, she's carrying the trail counselor there it is. Manna, I don't know.

22:48 Man, that's that's wild. Can Yeah. I told my members I will not circle anything. Yeah, sure, I want them to look because when they do field research, we see stuff like this. It's not circle you're looking at it. It's natural environment. I don't care what the skeptics say. I already had this analyzed and it come back as a bipedal creature. Wow, m hm. Remind me this is also on the same property, or this is the difference. This is up in the swanky Okay. Wow.

23:38 Now if we go to h after that one with the fingernail m hm. Skipped in with my hand. The next one, okay, that was on the side of the mortar home. So this occurred when you were there at the swan research and yes, yes, okay. Now my consultancy said, try to get a comparison, right, So if you look at the next one, that's my hand at the palm of it. Okay, let me go back and forth a few times. Interesting, do you think there's so where your pinky is? Do you think that's more of a thumb?

24:33 I think he put his hand just like this. Let me look at this your screen real quick, Okay, because a palm would be at the base. Back to it. Let me come back to it. Yeah, it's down at the base here. I remember that smiley face, So that would be if Pinky or maybe his left hand, I'm not sure. But we did a size comparison with my hand to show how big it is compared to my hand. Gotcha? Did you try to get any lift, any fingerprints or anything from it? Didn't? No idea. My fingerprint powder is kind of like a rock right now because I have used it. Get some more.

25:30 I've got everything to do fingerprints, and now it's just getting some more the powder, order some power so I can dust it and then I can take whatever that is. Something like that, I can take. You know that freshman enough? So how how what if you were to measure let's say, from the length of your your middle finger down to the base of the wrist um normal sized hand or what are we looking at? Yeah, let me get a cape masure out a second? Yeah you got it. Okay, we take a cape major from index figure to the base of the palm.

26:21 A you know, an hand is seven inches? Okay, has taller than seven inches? Yeah, totally, you're talking nine I'd say nineteen inches. Oh sure, yeah, I would. I would agree with you unless see you can see the very top. Yeah yeah, I mean you can make out you can make out different fingers there, I would say. Yes. Now, the unusual thing about it you had got to it is we didn't notice it. Let me get to it. The one picture the side of the mortar home with the cloud. Yes, this guy the mortar home was not running. Okay, okay, Janet rad was not running. What is that? It was just after that we found the handprint. So okay, that's weird. Um, So did you have a fog or missed that day? No? Really, I mean it was so clear and late afternoon we got thunderstorms and rain, and night was so cristal clear. You could actually see part of the northern lights, the orange dancing across the sky and everything. Oh, Ken, that info doesn't make this any easier. That's weird. Man. What did I tell you before? You have more questions

27:52 and answers? Yeah, Oh, we haven't gotten to the good stuff yet. So okay, yeah, we get that. So you're saying that this mist was around your trailer and then you you found the handprint on the side. Yes, Um, was the I'm sure you got a good look at the handprint. Was it like, was it debris or was it a mud or did you notice anything? It looked muddy. Yeah, and we'd had rain, rain and stuff. Okay, definitely has that color, doesn't it. Yeah, which would make sense. Hmm. Man, I've got videos the rain is so heavy it triggered the trail cam. The rain's coming straight down. Wow. I went to retrieve the trail cams and I'll soaked from my feet to my chest. And how whet it got up there? Yeah, that's the wild things. Let's answer this question now, because I don't want to get five thousand emails. Where can people find these photos if they want to analyze them? Because I know that I'm going to get like twenty thousand people are going to be like, hey, hook me up with those photos so I can rip them apart. Well, all photos. They have to get my permission. Yeah, okay, so it's going to be through you probably. Oh. I will be putting them on the domain yep,

29:26 because I'm upgrading the domain we have. Okay, and they'll be available. I'm there. But I all I ask is a respect will have an open mind because we're not all going to see the same thing perfect, and all this stuff has been sent to somebody who that's what he does for a business is analyzed photos and videos. Okay, okay, so you're you're dealing with a professional photograph analyst guy as well. Tell me, can you tell me anything about about that gentleman or I'll give it briefly. So does a video and photo analysts for the news stations here in Missoula. Okay, so he knows what he's doing and he's really a nice guy and it's really nice.

30:14 Is I'm not gonna say say it because he is called him in, but he will. My friend talked to him about he said, yeah, he'd take a look at it for me. Wow, because he is interested in the flub. So just say one more time, listeners, I won't have these, so don't come to me. We'll have in the show notes the website for the Montana Group and all that good stuff that you can go to and you can check it out there, but I won't be giving these out to anyone. So yeah, it's like next step, um, I will cover I think well, uh, I had one of my members, Stan joined me. Hm. Well, when he joined us, everything changed, The mountains went quiet really yeah. In according to my consultant, a person put out a negative energy and things changed that fast. So this is your your Native American consultant you're talking about. Well, I don't I talk to my Native American consultants because they are the ones with the knowledge. Oh sure, exactly. Yeah. And this is another member from eastern Mountaina to come over. Okay, got it, got it, okay, coming on Saturday.

31:36 He booked really fast on Thursday. And I can't capt figure that out. There is a video and I can't find it. He squared it's big foot in the camp. It's not. It's him walking. I've never known a big foot to use a flash light at night. Well, I mean, come on, and I think that's pretty smart that unless someone might say, oh, well it's an orb but if you're pretty sure it's a flashlight, then that's kind of a case closed one my analysis, it's a flashlight. Yeah. Plus I send him my profile and stands profile and stands profile match what was walking? Wow through the camp man. So this is this is done by on the fly. I said those eleven days and then going through and then sending out everything. Now the oh. When he left on Thursday Friday morning, it's when it got really interesting. Really yeah, I want to describe I stepped out of the mortar hole, you know what, having a skunky rot What skunky rotten became moldy smell that hung in the air for three hours. I spoke of my consultant and he said, I there was a big foot around that camp rights down and they're watching me. Wow.

33:07 Yeah, that's not a good sign when you know that that type of smell hits you out of nowhere. Yeah. And then that night, for the hell of it, instead of using my lament bat on a tree, I beat on a rock. Okay, I did one knock, I got a knock back. I did two knocks. I got two knocks back. Really yeah? From south of US? Oh no, wow. So the other thing too, you'd hear birds that weren't birds. Okay, Um, what sounds like a kyote but wasn't a kyote? Can you explain that to me a little bit? Ken? Oh. Bigfoot is known to mimic animals, sure, birds, oh, coyotes, wolves, they're capable of mimicking other species right like many others like chimpantasies that they will mimic humans. Is Bigfoot had the capability? Yes, I'm actually working on a theory. They're tree knocks. Is it a form a primitive Morse code? We develop Morse code for emergencies and just sell sent across celography. Is it a form of it? That's the sub theory I'm working on. Now, that's interesting.

34:37 No, there has to be and even rody kerring Greek, they have to have a way of communicating. Is it through a system like a Morse code that we don't understand? I mean it's not. It's I don't think it's the question. I mean, who's to say that. I mean, so, boy, okay, hold on, don't hold on. Okay, here you go. So I mean I so hYP hypothetically, I don't think it's out of the question where you could have a creature where it's like one knock means something, to knock means another. Um. I know that the Olympic Project has found areas where there was almost like a century that was watching the nests and they found I believe, rocks that could be used for rock clacking.

35:38 I don't think it's out of the question that a creature like that could figured out a communication type style. Now so Ruth Dune, which is part of part group. He also has his own group. He has heard a rhythm, can knock clap them? Really, yes, and he's trying to get back in there to try to record it. But there's definitely a pattern to those rocks being hit together. M Man. I mean, we're in such a new area right now, it's it's hard to explain. M Sometimes you just gotta go with your feeling. Sure, were you able to record any vocalizations during your time around there? No? No, Okay, That's why I ordered this real special recorder, got the external mic so I can put it away from camp. Now I'm gonna be doing like Ronney Grant.

36:47 My Blackfeet consultants said, we're gonna try to draw him into the camp. Mka. They music. I'll put toys out because they do like it. Well, I have a whole bunch of ducks because I now have a cheap wrangler I took behind the mortar home, right, so the guys have the ducks. Yeah, yeah, we ducks. So I've got ducks at Squeak, so I can be putting ducks out, playing music and everything, trying to bring him into the camp. Now we will out five trail camps looking into the camp by looking out of the camp. Nice. Oh that's awesome, dude. Have you ever thought of playing audio like baby cries or anything at that? I did. I tested them here at the house, like the Sierra sounds and all that. I guess the PA system through the CBE works really good because I have every dog within three blocks marking. Yeah.

37:47 Yeah, so I did a look. I wanted to, but the weather didn't allow me to. And there again, I have to be cautious when I'm out there because of my health. Art. Yeah, no, definitely, I know we've we have talked before, and so you had you use serous sounds you know something that I'm gonna I'm gonna try it when I go back out next and they'll see what happens. Ken. But a few people were like, you got to use try human baby cries because it does something. So you got no response response, okay, yeah. Now we've sat one night, Kim, let's help and stand. I put the TV outside.

38:34 We watched the movie Make okay, I mean run A rough way to go on a base camp. Right, So now my question is is it possible that one was watching the question, not another question. They are very according to ny cring them another they are very curious about us. Yes, absolutely, they do not feel threatened by us. They will start coming around. And now I have the advantage my motor home has been there enough times. They're used to it. That's true that they're if you're using the same one, they're going to be used to it, aren't they Did you always are you always out there the same amount of days? Or this is the longest Yeah, this is the longest one. Okay, interesting? Yeah, I planned an eleven day trip this time. My youngest daughter, Kim, come up with me, help me get set up. We put out the trail camps. Je's the one you see walking with me to where those two are apt. Yeah. And then my oldest daughter come up on Monday for a couple of days and the two of them come back. Because a little Kim, she had to get ready to start a new job. Sure, so I had her with me. And now do you guys do anything with

40:05 putting out, like gifting areas or anything like that. I put two apples on top of the mortar home. When one was taken. Okay, interesting was it? What was it? Near? Where the um, mister, is that it was worried about that hand trudge? Jeez ken all right now, no window that windows the window that that big foot was smelling my white two years ago? Right? Oh my goodness. Huh man, I dare people to dispute this. My response to him, Come with me for eleven days and see what happens, man, I challenged him, Come with me.

40:54 It just it gets the more we talked, it does get weirder and weird. Did you notice any let's let's go down the list, any like, um, weird breaks and trees or any tree related structures or anything. I thought a couple of tree breaks. I didn't. I didn't have the camera my phone with me, which I don't have my thirty five millimeter either, okay, um, which I have to start carrying one of them with me. Definitely, everything we look at right now is actually based off the trail cams and what we witnessed. I witnessed and experienced. Like I told you, I don't care what people say. I know what I experienced.

41:44 I've been dealing with big foot for a long time. I'm not an expert. I have knowledge of big foot now and every time we go on the field research. Things are different. This next one. I'm actually building a sly hairs human bear, deer, hell horse on slice. I have a microscope with the camera. It's a biological microscope that's electronic. I can look at the hair underneath it. Human hair has a black core. They say, Bigfoot, does it sure? When you're out in the Swan area, did you notice any thing that you would have interpreted as a track or anything of that type of thing. Well, the problem I had with standards.

42:37 He'd take off and he come back and he said he thought he saw a big foot track next to a grizzly track. I can't verify it because he never told me where he was going, which broke a rule the major rout of the group. Because if you take off thout letting me or somebody know, something happens to you, I have no idea where to look. So here's this. If I'm there and I know there's grizzlies around, I'm probably not going to be doing that. But that's on him. But I can understand why you wouldn't want a guy just going off by himself. We rewarded him and I got there the first night there had been a big board grizzly sighted north of us to be aware of it. Wow, man, now should we get to the scatt? Yeah, let's let's keep going. Definitely, yeah, all right, we found scatt. Okay, and it is.

43:40 Let me get up though. It is approximately fifteen inch long. Really yeah, about that big around straight? Okay. I showed my native consultant and he said it. The first question was areny there? He said it, and I went, no, it looks like here. He said, it's not a bear. Interesting. Now that's what. I sent samples to four labs and like I told you, their coded alpha alpha. Bravo Charlie and David. Okay, the preliminary result is unknown species? Okay, point so really really can yes? Wow? Can you? Okay? I'm going to ask questions and you can shut me down. What they're gonna do is they're doing further testing. I will received a preliminary DNA results from the labs, but right now three of them is unknown species and one cannot be determined.

45:00 I asked, is it a bear? No? Is it feel like? No, it's not in the DNA database. Can you share anything about what kind of labs they were that you send them to labs. Okay, so just basic around the middle DNA labs. Well, let's put it this joy because I'm five hundred dollars donation to each one. I put off two grants to get the results fair enough, and they ask express confidentiology. And they also warned, meet the girl careful when I talked to because the government doesn't want us us to know what's going on. I know people people are gonna ask, So these are not This is not an individual that is dealing with DNA that you send it to. This is an actual laboratory that is not an individual, right, okay, labs laboratories, So that should take care of any questions that are coming up in people's minds. Now. They asked me, well, what about When I first talked to them, I said, well, even the pluminary where I have an idea, And they said, well, you know you can always send a donation sometimes that helps.

46:14 So I said, you think so weird? Yeah, so I did. But they also warned me, now two of them are sending the equipment to collect water samples from all the streams in that in that area to get given ten mile range. Why for DNA? Really? Yeah, Bigfoot's there steps in that water, that DNA is going to be in the water, and so now I'm waiting for the equipment. Then I'm going back. Okay, now I know why you were like we need to chat. Yeah, that's this is this is pretty wild can And you know, I'm putting you exactly what took place. I took you. I'm not there to make a famous or anything, but we're getting the evidence. Whether people want to accept it or not. No, it's like they're doing it. I can vouch for you because I've been in your group since since February, and it's like your genuine Saw of the Earth type guy. And it's like you can tell if someone's trying to like get on like filling the name of TV show pretty quick, you know, And that is not the case. You're just trying to figure out what in the world's going on in Montana to do with Bigfoot.

47:45 That's what you're doing. Yeah. Wow, it's like that article I sent you that link. Yep, somebody's mutilating cattle out of Great Falls. Oh yeah, what's going on? They've really said They've really said undiscovered unknown species of animo species Yep, I've known species. Uh Cardie come back as cannot be determined. Further testing needed in how many different labs came back with that again? Or all four? All four? You know? Are they? Are they in different parts of the US or are they all? Yeah?

48:29 They are? Or different locations? And they when I sent the samples, I didn't tell how my sense samples to other labs. Man, that's wild dude. Yeah, how long ago do you find this out? But two weeks ago? Then I said, when I told you we need to talk, I just found out. I just found out from Charlie the other day. That's one that cannot be determined. Man, need further testing.

49:13 So now I know why you're trying to lock down where exactly it is because you don't want the Great Montana Bigfoot DNA gold Rush or twenty twenty three happening. Even my consult running cran agree, we're onto something. Is it big foot? We're not gonna say yes, we don't know it, maybe something else. We don't know At this stage. All we know is we have an unknown species in the Swan Valley. So here's here's the thing. So what I'm sure you looked into this? What other animal leaves this scat that is fifteen feet long. You said it's fifteen feet long. All right, No, yeah, fifteen inches long. Now you're ready for I compared it to bear scat, okay, on the road. It didn't match the bear scat man. Bear scat was in a pile. This was laying on the ground like what we would do when major That's another good question. So let's talk about that. So and that's right. We're all adults, so we being talked about this. So what it was. It was kind of laid out in a line. It was not in a lane. It was lane like if I had it take number two right. Sometimes it's like a log.

50:46 That's why you describe it. It just lays there. This is the way it was bear scat it compared to it was in a pile exactly. That's the difference. And talking to Running Crane, he agrees it's not a bear. So your knowledge of the nature the animals of Montana, there are no other animals that would lay it out like that. A bear might, okay if you got constipated or got stuffed up, sure, but no. Most most game that I've come across in my years of hunting, drafting, and fishing it's jarney in a pile. It may be a scattered pile, but it's not laid flat like this man fifteen inches long. Yeah. Now the thing is, of course you should be do I have more of it?

51:45 Right? And I'm gonna say yes, it's kind of frozen. I told my girls that's not a hershey bar in their her fade ay bar. I was gonna say. The people that are using the same freezer must absolutely love you, Ken right now. It must be like, can what are you doing well? I'm falling advice by my consultants. Save everything you can get? Yeah, save everything? Did um? I just thought of another thing to ask you about evidence really, any weird hair or anything we could I couldn't find any, Okay, I mean the mount like when your star will tell you the thunder and the lightning and the rain. Sure, it's saturated everything now if we're still getting rain, but it should slack off.

52:39 Now that I have the thermal imaging unit and it's capable of seeing a thermal image up to three hundred yards, that's going to depend on how thick the forest is and everything. I've got this new listening device, it's recorder. Okay, all right, I've got my microscope camera comfort. I have to get a new laptop, so it's with me. I have to download a program into it and into this tower. So when I do the hair examining hair and everything, I'm looking at it on a big screen and I can take pictures. Man, Yes, we've a dance that you going back to the scat. How tell me again where it was found? Was it close to the camp or was it far away? Here's about fifty yards from the camp. Okay, interesting, And that was before Stan arrived, and we never told him about it. Somebody told me not to tell him. Don't sit there in camp and tell me you're an expert when you're physically not capable of going out and doing it, right, that's probably a whole different story.

54:00 Yeah, we won't go there. I was getting so frustrated with Yeah, let's let's not go there. Yeah, but I'm so glad when he just I'm leaving a good thing. All right. Well, after that's when everything changed. The smell came into the camp. I mean, I've smelt the smell before, and so you know you're saying the musky smell came back after the individual left. Yes, really, or was it It was for the first time that that smell came into place. Wow. Morning, Now it's the same smell as the one that I talked about in the Borgia Crystal Lake, right when the wind's gone towards you. It's identically the same smell.

54:42 Skunky rotten became moldy. It can if you've got a weak stomach, it's going to turn your stomach and it layers almost three hours he was in camp. People are probably gonna ask, did you have did you take any pictures of this gat? Yes? Okay, cool, but there again, I will be posting right all that. Yeah, I would assume you'd probably want to keep an eye on the Montana Crew website too. That'll probably be posted eventually maybe yeah, yeah, got you, got you ya. Redoing the domain because they sold the company sold to another one, they made a little more complicated, so I'm han't get used to doing it their way and that um. I do now have a staff Michelle and Sammy Jean works with me to plan these field trips and all that, because I can't do this alone. Yes, we know, definitely you wouldn't want to, I'd say, after this, and I would love I hope Doug Hicheck gets wind wind of this, this phote the trail camp photos. I would love to see him go after that. Maybe he'll get wind of it after this releases.

56:15 We'll see. But you're not Doug Hicheck from Monster Quest like he he's got a very scientific mind and he's a great big foot guy as well. Yeah, these two pictures from Saint Mary's you can't dispute. Go ahead, I know I can't think of man, it's just it's wild, dude, he's wild. I can't wait to see people try to go crazy analyzing it. Yeah, because I know it's going to happen. Yeah, and like I said, you are the first podcast first person other than very few members in the group that have seen these two photographs. Yeah, and and thank you Ken. That is simply awesome. It's a great honor that you know, I know you've been holding onto these That's very cool. Well, it proves to me and my consultants bigfoot is around Saint Mary's. This these two photographs.

57:17 You can't dispute what you're looking at. And this has taken during the day. They're not blurry, not when you look at and you can see the hair and everything of the animal. Yeah, that's a black and you consider that, Carol Kem at seven feet off the ground, that creature is taller than that wild h And for your listeners who are going to be seeing this. When we do our field research, we don't know. We may not find anything. I've gone out for days, four or five days and nothing. But there's always that one time something starts to happen. There is no guarantee we'll find anything. We got lucky. I spent the most time I've ever spent out there eleven days. Man Lie about said, as long as I got propaned in water, I can stay out there. Um, some some listeners are probably gonna point this out, So I'm just gonna I'm just I just gonna throw it out. There is a film thing. Okay, So I'm looking at the date, right, yeah, okay, can you explain? Can you explain the date? I didn't know how to set

58:49 the dates on the trail camps fair enough. I figured it was just I was like, it's probably it's probably a user thing. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know. This is the first time I've ever used trail camps. I never used him for hunting or anything. I bought the trail accounts for this purpose, so I have to learn now the new one muddies, they're even better, easier to work with. Now they'll take if this isn't been a muddy, I'd had a sequence of three photographs back to back on each one of those the videos instead of seven seconds or fifteen seconds. What was the date that you took the photo? This was two years ago? Okay, gotcha, it was just before the wife passed away July. This one a cheap pastory this year or so, two years ago, all right, So that should that should take care of. There's because there's probably a few people that were going to jump in the comments and be like, oh my god, the date. Look at the date now, Okay, we're talking about the date guys. Yeah. All this equipment I'm learning how to use exactly. Yeah, so I can teach those that come to the field with us due to the research how to use it properly. The thermal imaging unit, the voice recorder, microscope, the ninth vision goggles, the sonic listening device. I mean, we've got a lot of high tech equipment now, not the upper scale, but we're getting there. Yeah, man, that's

1:00:27 wild, dude. That says that right there says a lot. It really does. Man. Like I said, the green line is the trail camis itself? Yeah? Exactly. Yeah, And a lot of people will know that they've seen that occur in different camera things. Man, that is wild. I can't I'm going to be thinking about that probably for a few days. That's that's crazy. Man. Do you be thinking about longer than a few days. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. You realize I got this in my possession for two years. How did you not like throw it out there for two years? Man? Because I wanted to make sure what I was and thinking when I posted on the group. Yeah, the guy asked about the line, so I really looked at it and realized a cap Oh yeah, those two photographs brought the same trail camera m champ. And then I checked the time frame. There's seven seconds between the one before this and this one. This is a man, has been a crazy discussion.

1:01:40 You have the the fingernail, you got the handprint, and you've got the the scat with the unknown animal or unknown creature from four different DNA labs. Wow, you got a lot of stuff going on for sure, And we haven't even gone to the funny light in the sky behind the camp. Oh yeah, I've got that video. I've got that video pulled up. If if we let's play it, that's cool. Um, hold on, all right, So is there anything you want to want to say about it before we play it? I have that video analyze, it's not a reflection off the trail camp. Okay, here we go. What in the world now?

1:02:30 The other thing? There is no roads back where that lights up. There is no glass. I thought were reflection of the fire, But it's the analyze says not. He doesn't know what it is. I gotta watch it one more times. It almost looks like it is. But what's a reflecting off of Yeah, I don't know. Man, that's beyond down towards the string. There's no road over there, because it's like it's almost the if you look at the clip again and you notice what's going on the fire, it's like it's reflection. Yeah, something, But what is it if there's nothing there? You said, there's nothing there, and that doesn't make sense at all. Yeah, And if you look when the fire also, they'll go out, but the fire still bright. Yeah, but then it comes back on. If you watch, you'll go out, m hmm, what is it? It's unknowing. There is an unknowing right there. See it's gone then it comes back. Is the video taken through? Um?

1:03:45 What is the video taking with? Again? That's sticking with one of the first dog trail games. Okay, on a tree looking into the camp, so there has no class on the side, No, and one back here there were way from the mortar. If you look, there's no lights on in the mortar home. Oh yeah, man, that's weird. We don't know what it is. If almost dancing with the fire, but what's it reflecting off them? That's our question also, Um, if we really want to pick it apart, it looks like there's some weird stuff that happens in the bottom part of the video as well. If you watch it, and I'm not a video guy, but I noticed right around it's coming up.

1:04:39 Um, I don't know. Maybe it's like bugs, like right there, there's some lines. Maybe it's something video. Yeah, it's a video, And I know still a lot of these videos up there there's like interference. Yeah, that's weird. You had other videos I have doesn't have it and it's mainly the ones at night. I have twenty one hundred videos and photos I've been going through. Yeah, Jesus, Yeah, so some a lot of them. The tree movement is set, the trail cams off, the girls walking down to get the water. Us sets the trail cam off, his dog plane sets the trail cam off. Something has to set those trailcams off. If there's no wind or anything, what triggers the trailcams? Man another. There's so many different mysteries going on in this this whole area.

1:05:45 Yeah, that's weird. Can that's why I keep returning high Wood too? I mean, it would keep bringing me back, dude. Yeah, each trip is longer, Okay, it gets longer and longer. Yeah, we all. Michelle and I looked at a new area. If I can get the big motor home into it, I will. There's one stretch I'm not sure about, but it's a beautiful area. And I'll say the pictures you'll see what I'm talking about. It's a big open area. There's an old log deck, so we have firewoods right by the stream. But you look upon that mountain and it's all brush covered. Wow. If you sat there with a spatting scope of my camera with a Telforth gleans and section by section looking It's an area I haven't used the drones. It's an area I will be flying the drones in because I do have cuir of site and you closer with the drones. I have a feeling there's definitely more to come from this whole Swan area in the future. For sure can when we look, Yeah, Jeremiah, I wanted to also bring this up. Yeau. People got to know me up there. It's okay, researcher. They started opening up.

1:07:10 They started I was going to go into Yeah, yes, they started talking. Let's keep their names confidential, which I will sure. There's one I posted on the Facebook of a big foot on the Mountain Sentinel behind the University. It took the woman two years to trust. Somebody descended to his alter. Her name was kept out of it, and it stopped for her from Patty Canyon, where a lot of unusual things are taking place right now. Because I know, I remember from last time we talked, you are very I mean, you're a guy that people trust and you're even talking to a lot I want to say. You had said it was like maybe phishing game guys or people would be talking to you when there would be missing persons.

1:08:06 I mean, there's people talking to you about a lot of different interesting things that could be related to bigfoot. Understand in fact, I don't talk to say names. Their names is confidential. It's why people talk to me. Yeah, exactly, And that's really critical if you want to get the information from these people. Yeah, because it means you mentioned their names. They can be in trouble. Oh. Absolutely. So you know, we started up small, We started our field of research on minimal equipment learning. We're learning every time we go out. We have new ideas. We're going to try that. My Native Americans have recommended I try try to draw them into the camp. And also the warning if we come to face to face, we don't stared in the eyes, take one look and look down, because they may take it as a form of aggression. Really a gorillas, if you stare in the gorilla's eyes, he takes it a form of aggressive He gets aggressive chimps. These advisors that you have, are they individuals that have actually had face to face encounters or is this more like this information has been passed down from their elders. They've had face to face encounters. Wow in Montana. In Montana, oh man, When I go over to the

1:09:41 Blackfeet reservation, he's from Montana or Brownie. Now it is close to whites to do field research there. But because they've come to know me, as long as running Crane and them are with me, I'm gonna be allowed to do some field research. Wow. So I do have a rare opportunity to here, and I'm not going to pass the dough. Yeah. That's that's amazing Ken, Yeah, that is very very cool. Like I said before, I never know when somebody is going to talk to me. Yeah, well I am. I am simply uh, just blown blown away by this man, Like this is that's a really big deal. Like the whole DNA thing is a really big deal. Ken, oh man, I am Uh.

1:10:36 What's the best way for people to keep up to date with you know? If you find out any more information about that, I will eat from the water. Yeah. Um that all will be on the domain. Awesome. Okay, and that's WW the Montana Bigfootgroup dot com. M ok, yeah, I'll have it in the show. All be being posted there. Um. I'm every time I go out now, I do a daily diary Okay, what's taking place? So I'm writing this all down. Eventually we'll party sit down at the computer and type it all out because my writing sucks to be on street. Yeah that's funny. That's really funny. And that will be include. Also, I have all the structures drawn out on a flip chart that I've seen as four pages that I've come across in my lifetime.

1:11:35 So I will be doing a video and that will be posted on the Facebook group on Facebook and on the explaining everything what to be looking for, a right and that, and this is based on personal experience and what people wants them understand. I do not watch Monster Quested, do not watch Expedition Bigfoot any of that, nor do I read about Bigfoot. Everything I talk about is based on personal experience that I've got through my lifetime. Yeah that's cool, that is really cool. So I have formed my own opinions and I have a very open mind because I want to know what I saw that day when I come out of Crystal Lake. M it's a lowest. Yeah, it's quote for me. And we're getting we're getting close. You're getting close as something can, Yes, we are. I mean, if it's not bigfoot. It is. It is something that is not known by science in that area, right, and that is probably one of the scariest things that I've heard in a long time. Yeah, it's unknown because it's not a little bunny rabbit. Oh god, I wish it was. If it's fifteen, if it's like has fifteen in scat oh man, this. Oh I can't wait to see what happens from this. Ken. It's been super fun chat with you, But I want to make sure. Did you have

1:13:06 any closing thoughts? Yes, I do, Okay, we'll use that are watching. The number one rules should be always keep an olpen mind and respect who is talking. They're the ones that experienced unless you were there. Now anybody in the area that can come. We welcome people to come to do these field researchers. We may not find anything, we may find something. Think about you being there and we actually get that final video photo, a clear video photo of a big fudge and you're part of that. But the key is being respectful and you have to have an open mind. You can't block your mind to what you see, no matter what group it is, what program you see, you cannot have a close mind because these people are also trying to get the answer. What is it? Does it date bigfod date giant pithecus. We'll know soon with the fossil results. Did the giant apes come out of North America? Asia? What happened to the European primate that went extinct? Yeah, so we're you know, you're dealing or something that's worldwide. From them Pendecca in Malaysia to the Yahoi in Australia, to the rock Apes in Vietnam, to the Macco in Japan, to the Black

1:14:41 hairy Man in Wales to the manner of the mist in Sweden. We're dealing with something that is unknown. This is where you have to have an over mind. You can't block this. Oh absolutely, I mean yeah, it's it's respect others and have an open mind is one of the most important things you can you can do. Yeah, I agree, and I trusted me in Jeremiah. Once I get the final results, are recontacting you, hey, and definitely I appreciate that. Definitely we'll be talking to you again, I think so. Yeah, if we have a major breakthrough up in the Swan, you're one of the first one. Well, the group will know part of course, so you'll be aware of it. Yeah, we can do something to do another one or which fell be some more coming up.

1:15:41 Absolutely the way it's going because we're looking at we are getting there. That's getting close, dude, it's getting close. Yes, you can. Can you take a few minutes and remind listeners how they can keep up to date with everything that you've got going on, and they'll definitely want to keep up. Yeah, okay, going on the group. Yeah, the group on Facebook is a Montena Bigfoot International Research Group INTERNATIONALS because we have twenty one chapters all over the world that does field research. The domain is ww the Montana Bigfoot Group Research Group dot com. I couldn't put it into a national in there because it's too big, right, those you monitor the domain that I'm redoing, And if you want to join the group on Facebook, answer the questions. Yes, answer them because you get your will get denied. My monitor waters are right on top of it. And you know, we welcome everybody. We're not like a lot of groups. Oh I got thirty five thousand members. That's not us, right, say, you're absolutely right.

1:16:59 Is a smaller community, but it is a very cool community of bigfoot researchers enthusiasts is very very cool group. I like it and so and look at my Michael Young automolation exactly while I've got yeah, I've got stuff coming from all over the world. Oh yeah, well, Kenn, thank you so much for chatting again. It has been a very enlightening night. And uh, who knows what will happen next? For sure, Well you're going to get it. So oh yeah, I know it. I'm glad. I'm glad you said yeah, let's do this because there is a lot of information, a lot. That's a lot, a lot has happened, all right, thanks for chatting, Ken, Oh thank you. You'd like to make a special one time donation to big Foot Society, you can head on over to our b a coffee page and I'd like to shout out someone who has bought us a coffee this last week, mister Wayland w Colburn his messages.

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