Jan. 12, 2025

Mt. Rainier Face to Face! | Archives | Washington | South Carolina

Originally released at Episodes 376 and 378.

Join us for an enthralling episode of Bigfoot Society where our guests Roman and Alfred recount their numerous and chilling encounters with Bigfoot. Roman shares his vivid experiences growing up around...

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Season 1

Originally released at Episodes 376 and 378.

Join us for an enthralling episode of Bigfoot Society where our guests Roman and Alfred recount their numerous and chilling encounters with Bigfoot. Roman shares his vivid experiences growing up around Stevens Creek, South Carolina, from an initial terrifying nighttime chase to ongoing unsettling encounters on his family property. Adding to the mystery, Roman describes strange sounds, hair-raising screams, and local geography, including granite deposits and Indian burial grounds. In the second part, Alfred recalls an eerie encounter during a hike at Mount Rainier in Washington in 1987. Stunned and confused, Alfred comes face-to-face with a massive creature, describing its striking features and the fear it instilled.

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Fort slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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on with the show. All right, Bigva Society got the

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privilege of talking to Roman tonight. Roman reached out to

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me and wanted to share some interesting things that he's

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encountered over the years. How's it going tonight, Rome, Well

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pretty good.

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Gim how you doing?

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Oh man, it's been a wild and cold time in Iowa.

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But I just I get through every day so I

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can talk to someone about bigfoot people low down here

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to you.

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Yeah, we're at like twenty degrees and that's bad enough

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for me.

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Oh man, hey, I say, we get right on into it.

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And Okay, we'll see where the conversation leads. But I'm

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just going to let you go ahead and take the

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floor Roman and share what you've experienced over the years.

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Okay. I grew up in Hfield County, South Carolina, and

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uh and I lived there my whole life the day

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I was born. I'm fifty one years old now, I

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was born. Had I got two sisters. I was the youngest,

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two older sisters, and he was raised. Yeah. We sat

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down at his dinner table and ate dinner every night.

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Is his family went to church every Sunday. I had.

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My dad was he was a hard worker. He taught

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me growing up and get to you right and work hard.

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And that's just the way it was. Had I had

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the best mom and dad. Man. You know, every wish

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for But we grew up. I grew up right on

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Stevens Creek is Stephen's Creek. We think of a creek,

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you normally you think of something small, but Stevens Creeks

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more of a reservoir. Backs then it's a reservoir off

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the Savannah River. When I say creek, people run bass

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boats punching boats in it. We've got boat houses. I

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placed my dad's places right there on Marktown Road and

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it goes all the way back to Students Creek, and

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we got a road that goes down a big hill,

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and when you get down the bottom of hill, we've

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got like a big covered dot that's got a roof

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on it, and take a left and go up the creek.

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And we got a couple other docks right there on

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the water and keep it pretty nice down there, and

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a lot of people come there fishing. And so after

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my actual encounter, my siding started doing some research, listening

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to other people's stories, started listening to your show and

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listen to other people tell their how their encounters right down.

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And after that, I started thinking back all these things

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that had had happened to me when I was younger,

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and that's where I like to start out at. Let's

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go back to when I was eighteen years old. Everything

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out here is pretty, you know, there's houses was in

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far in between, a few ass across the street, maybe

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a couple like smaller sub divisions where every house had acreage.

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But on our side of the road it's mainly bigger acreage.

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And so you have one person lives here betwenty thirty acres.

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This person lived here twenty thirty acres. So it's pretty

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spread out. And when you get them to the creek,

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across the creek was mostly farm land and stuff like that.

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across the streets. Now it's got a couple of sun

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divisions and stuff like that. Anyway, I had met a

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girl over there and we started dating. And by the

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time it's for about a couple of years, and she

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ended up getting pregnant. I was seventeen when she got pregnant,

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and she up, we had the baby. It was tough

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being that young, little dad and going I turned eighteen.

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By my son, I guess he was about six seven

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months old. I had been over there at night and

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then he was, I think, having with trouble sleeping, so

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I ended up falling asleep in her bag while we

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were put him to sleep. I ended up waking up

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like one o'clock in the morning, and I'm like, darret,

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I got to go home, and I had walked over

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there that night. So when I left her house, you

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walk down this like long, big hill, and he got

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a couple of houses on the right left, and there's

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a shorter cut that you can take and take a right,

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and it goes down this big hill and it's got

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real dark, and it's got a couple of raves in

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the woods, like from the eighteen hundred or so. I'm thinking, man,

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I said, I ain't walking down that way, I said,

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I rarely walk away to the mark Jown Road and

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go the long way, then walk down that to speaking ways. Anyway,

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I get down to mark Down Road and I take

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a right, and I'm walking up toward my parents' house

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and I hear something off in the woods. And back

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then I was like an abbid deer hunter. I lived

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for it. I love the deer hunting. And I'm thinking, man,

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I bet that's a deer coming this way. So I

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squat down in the road. It's trying to day load,

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thinking the deer might come up to the road and

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then walk on out. As I'm sitting there, all of

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a sudden, you just I just heard this. This thing

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started coming at me, just rip me here, the limbs

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ripping off trees, limbs snapping and breaking. And I stood

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up and I'm like, it's a bear. So I just

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took off, running as fast as I run, and this

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thing came up instead of coming up to the road.

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There's a like a ditch line the power line that

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runs down side of the road. And you know how

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these things are that this thing was just nothing but

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like BlackBerry vines and briar bushes, and this thing is

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just plowing through it. I'm running off. I'm running on

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the highway up on the on the hill and it's

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down in that ditch, is running just through the briars.

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And I get all over my parents railway, which is

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as fast as I've ever runt of my life. And

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I stopped this first second and out here it's still

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scroll of deep huffs, it's breathing. So I take back off,

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run up about one hundred after I get my parents

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got some real big brick interest gates. As soon as

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you get here the driveway. There's about one hundred and

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more yards up to the house from there. So I

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took back off again and opened the screen door, trying

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to shut myself in between screen door and the regular door,

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beating on the door, and they finally didn't let me in.

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I'm like, oh, my bear chasing the other road today

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and anyway, so now that they're knowing what I know now,

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I don't think that was a bear because I'm listening

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to the stories that bear don't normally just go and

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just start snatching limbs down off trees, and I don't

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think they do anyway. But as much records as that

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thing was making, now, I could have turned back and

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look when I was running, but I figured if I

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turned my head while I was trying to run, it

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was slow me down. I was trying to just make

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sure I had the All thing I want to do

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is make sure I was running as fast as I

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could run. But anyway we're going, we'll go forward on

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up to the up to the actual siding. Anyway. I

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said that each property is divided twenty thirty acres, and

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then Nick's property every twenty thirty acres. And then you

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had my neighbor to our right hand side that he

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lived about halfway up on the right, and then his

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sister lived all the way to the back. She had

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a trailer about there. Look at the top of the

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hill right, But the way it is, it's pretty flat,

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and you know, until you get back to where the

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creek is, and once you get toward the creek, about

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one hundred yards for you get the creek. It's a

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big hill going that goes downhill. And she lived right

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there at the top of the hill, on the right

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hand side, you know, on their property. And her name

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was Betsy. She was a good old, just good lady,

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but a tough old lady te man. And anyway, she

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don't come up to me. She's cut to me a

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couple of times and she said, Roman, she says, there's

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a there's a big foot down there. And then I

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just blew it off. I thought she was a little

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crazy on that one. And then a few months later

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she came back to me. She says, Roman. She had

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a three fifty seven bacrum in her hands. She said, Roman,

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there's a big foot down there. And she said, I

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was sleeping last night and I woke up. She said,

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it's something walked by my window. And she said, my

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window is eight feet off the ground. She said, I'm

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gonna go down there, and she says, things gloping in

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some cave down there somewhere. And she said, I'm gonna

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go there and I'm gonna shoot that thing. I said, basically,

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I said, ain't I said, there ain't no big Foot

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down there, you know. And I've never, ever, not one

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single time this whole time with everything going on, never

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thought bigfoot.

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Never.

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I believe I've always believed in Bigfoot, but I didn't

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think there were any bigfoot around here. I thought they

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were all way off somewhere in California somewhere, a lot

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of that, and like the National Forest and the big

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the Big National Force and stuff like that. But anyway,

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so it's going to the day I had my sighting

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then on the creek. I spent a lot. I spent

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a lot of time down there. It's like my salvation there.

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I just it's so beautiful and quiet, and that's where

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I go to think and now when I got things

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in my mind. And also I have a little outcrop

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down there. It's got a lot of minerals and a

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little bit of copper and a little bit of gold

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in it. So I get in there and I like

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it there and dig and get my rocks, and there's gemstones.

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It's volcanics, so it's I get find all kind of

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crystals and stuff in the rocks. So that's just fun

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for me getting in there and just be in the

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woods and there's times I'm going down there at one

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o'clock in the morning about and this is like deep

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woods something about, like this swampy down there. So even

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at one o'clock in the morning, I got there and

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by myself, and no problem. I wasn't wasn't scared. I

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always hear things when things walking in and making these

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weird noises, but never thought one single time it was

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a big bit or anything like that. One afternoon, I'm

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coming up. I've been there in my hole gigging and

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starting to get It's not dark yet, just starting to

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get dark. So I have my buckets and I come

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on up the hill. And when I get about three

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quarters away up the hill, I stopped. I'm taking like

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a little rest, but I'm bucking. The rocks are heavy,

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so I can only get so many yards. And then

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i'd set it down and take a break and get

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so many yards. But the last time I sat it down,

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I'm sitting there for a second and I started smelling.

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It smelled like a skunk. I'm sitting there looking around. Said, man, here,

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it's a skunk right here. I said, man, it's got

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to be like right here. It spelt like it was

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like under my feet, that's how strong it was. And

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I'm looking around and about the time by this time

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I heard wow, damn loud holler. I didn't even have

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to look yet, And the first thing that popped in

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my head was the scump smell Betsy saying that down there.

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And I don't know it's somewhere during my lifetime because

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I lost fear. I just I don't have I just

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don't have it. But I think when I heard the

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things holler for the first time, I actually just had

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a almost like a smile and sparkle smirk on my face,

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meaning thinking, you got it the kidney. Don't get me wrong,

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it was I had the initial shot in the shock

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of it because that it was because I'm I got

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something right here hollering if you ain't supposed to. It's

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just I don't think you'd ever run in anything like

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that in your life. And it's sitting down of theirs,

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behind this, behind this holly tree, real thick holly tree,

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and it's just you can see it's just waving its

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arms and it's and it's just sitting there the steady

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just screaming and screaming at me. And I'm thinking somebody

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is messing with me. You know, the only thing is

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that I don't really hang out with anybody. I'm real,

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you know. I have a few friends, you I don't

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really hang out that many people. And most people that

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I hang out with and know me, you know, I

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wouldn't do anything like that unless everybody knows. Normally, I

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always got like a pistol on, you know, So that'd

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be dangerous to play a prank by that. But I'm

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still thinking possibility. It's sitting there yelling, and so I

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figured I'm gonna say something funny or as stupid as

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this somebody messing with me. They're gonna laugh. So I said,

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big Foot, I said, I ain't got a problem with you.

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I said, I know this twenty two magnum my. I

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got right here in my way, probably what even in

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shade you. I said, just let you know. I said,

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if you come running at me, I said, I'm gonna

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shoot your writing the nuts. And they didn't laugh, and

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nobody laughed. It just case. Matter of fact. It's dropped

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down on all fours and it took all about forty

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more yards up behind this cedar tree and that thing

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I think about when it dropped down, it took off.

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I've never seen anything in my life as fast as

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that thing was. I said, no, right then, I knew

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it was definitely not nobody playing with me. So he

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got over there behind the see the tree, and it's

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sitting there, and it's I can see. I can never

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really get up like a good look at his face

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or anything, because it's always behind a bush. Like I

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can see it. I can see it, but just never

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in detail at one time because of the bushes that

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were staying behind. But they was sitting there and it

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started screaming and yelling and like that. I look at

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her at it, and I point toward my truck. I said,

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I'm going to my truck. My truck was at the

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top of the hill and it's like a little circle

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that would come in it goes up. It's kind of circling.

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I had that point in facing out. He's sitting there

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and it's it's just steady yelling and raising hell and

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waving his throwing his arms and all over during place

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and shaking the tree that.

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Is inding behind.

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So I got open my truck door and I shut

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my door and I don't get I don't crank it up.

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A't got to leave anything. And like I said, I

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wasn't scared. I just couldn't shock. And so I'm just

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sitting there, just looking out the window there, just facing

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the hand on the stairwell, just trying to take in

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what was going on. After I got my truck get

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shut up. I didn't say, I didn't hear nothing else.

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So I'm sitting there. I sat there about ten minutes,

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and I'm thinking about it, and all of a sudden,

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the whole ass end of my truck just just it

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felt like it dropped down about eighteen inches and just

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bounced back up. And I looked at in my rary

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mirror and I didn't see anything. And I rolled my

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window down and looked around into the back of the truck.

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I didn't say anything. But what got me was I

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was my truck was a thirty It was a Chevrolet

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DURAMACS thirty five hundred, and I know I already had

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one thousand pounds of walks in it back. So for

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something to be able to push my truck down eight

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ten inches, that thing that I had to weigh one

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thousand pounds got me. It was just three people could

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have jumped on the back of that truck not made

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it squat down two inches. So after it did that,

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I cranked my truck on up and went ahead and

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pulled on out of there. But after that encounter, I

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got to thinking about all these years that everything, A

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whole bunch of things started making sense to me after that.

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If you knew the crap I went through for three

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or four years when I lived in a cabin right

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there on the at the top of the hill, and

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then when my encounter happened, my house had already burned down.

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My house burned down eight years ago. This My house

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had been burned down for a while when my counter

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actual calenter happened. But while I was living there, Man,

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I'm talking about it had to be in these subsquatches

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that they bout drove me insane. But I'm thinking the

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whole time before my encounter that those were black people

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messed around in my woods. So I'd be out there,

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I'm talking about, and I'd hear these owl calls. I'm

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thinking there's people making owl caols, And I mean you

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can hear people like walking in and walking in the woods,

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you know, and they're doing these alcohols and stuff. And

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I'm thinking there's people are trespassing on my place. So

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so night after night I'm out there. Man, I'm by

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this time, I done got, you know, pissed off, and

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I I just wanted to catch one of these people.

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All I want to do was just catch one of them,

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is all. I wanted to find out why they're on

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my property. So night after night I get up there

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might be dressing in black and all kinds of stuff,

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and I'd hear them coming up walking through the woods

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and I'd get down there and lay down in the

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leaves and being for hours and hours, and they always

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I could never figure out while how they always knew

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where I was. I think, there's no way they know

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I'm right here. There's no way. And they were just

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like there was always there were always one step ahead

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of me. And I mean for gears. I mean you

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wouldn't believe the time. I mean it literally drove me

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crazy trying to catch these people. And that one night

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I had a friend of mine come over and he

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was gonna help me. I said, man, we got to

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catch these boats. So late that night I had an

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old flatbed truck out there at the top of the

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hill and him went laid under that truck, and I

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ended up falling asleep, like one o'clock in the morning

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or so. He nudged me any points, and I look

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up out of actors sitting on the trailer right there.

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And I looked and you can see the silhouette and

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people like a few people standing there, but little you

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couln't really see them, and all because it was it

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was so dark out there, and you can see your

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handing from your Facebook. You look toward the skyline, you

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see them like standing there next to each other, moving around,

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walking around.

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Right there, big for society, who will be right back

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after these messages.

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So I told my friend, I sall right on the

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count of three, and I had a like a pump shotgun.

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It's like an eight shot to re grip REMI and

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I think he had one of my other shotgun, a

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pump shotgun. And I didn't want I didn't want to

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make keep that much noise. I just wanted to get

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out and thrunt up. I was cold bust on him

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on the head to put it in the shotgun. I

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just wanted to get one of them. Soon we jump

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out here wracks the shotgun and these things take off

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and that were time. I thought it was people, and

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and I couldn't even believe how fast they took off.

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And then there's the running went around out loop I

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was talking about where I was part of that with

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my counter happened and there's a goalie on the other

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side of the driveway. It goes straight down like a

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four foot drop, and then it drops on down to

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about twelve feet And we had had an ice storm

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like a year before that, so this goalie was full

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of all these tree tops and limbs that had drunk

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off from the ice storm. And man, these two cats

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just took off just barely down through the here like

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breaking limbs, running through the tree limbs. And I'm thinking, man,

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we must have really scared the heck got them dudes.

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They practically killed yourself getting away from us, stinking. But

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it was always funny to me how fast and how

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how they were able to just run like that and

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the picts black dark and then run down and run

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through them tree limbs like that. I thought, some man,

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they practice killed herself getting away from us. Now that

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I think about it, I properly wouldn't. I'm just glad

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my buddy did it right there. Shot now, because if

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I had ran up that thing hit it ahead, I

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would have had kind of a surprise. After my encounter happened,

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me and my girlfriend went in there. We was camping

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there at the creek for a week. I think we

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can stay there and spend some time my mom. My mom.

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She passed away a year ago, and my mom she

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was there. She was everything to me. I loved her

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morning anything in this world. And we were real close.

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And I think that's really the only thing I ever

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I really did fear was losing like somebody you love,

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or like my mother after she died, and I've had

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my dad. He's still around. He say, he's eighty six

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years old, and I've had to face the fact that

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that's going to happen. While she was before she died,

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we was down there, camping out out of the creek

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and they just enjoying the creek and going there all

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spending time my mom. And anyway, one night we was

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walking back up the hill and you can hear something

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walking in the woods out beside us, and it sounded

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like it was by pot but it was screaming. It

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sounded like a it sounded just like a woman's stream,

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like she was just a woman being this burger. That's

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what it sounds like. So I'm thinking, yeah, maybe my

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mountain lon even though I had seen the already seen

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the big Foot, if I didn't do that big but

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it's made in screams like that before that. But thinking

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about it now, this thing was breaking limbs and all

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kinds of stuff. Of cougar wouldn't do anything like that,

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And we don't really have that many cougar around here,

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but cougar are pretty stealthy animals. I believe they wouldn't

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be just breaking limbs and walking that loud in the woods.

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But it followed us all the way up the hill.

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And after you get to the top of the hill,

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go up a little bit further and my uncle he

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leves right in the middle, and we got a guard.

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He's got his big garden, and across from that we

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got another big garden right there. Plant every year, and

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it always stayed back on the tree line and swore

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you couldn't see it, and it would sit there just

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screaming bloody murder. And hell got in the house and

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went to bed, and all night that things walked around

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and around the house, sit there screaming like that half

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the night. And this went on for a couple of

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weeks to the point where you know, we actually put

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staying at the create. We went in there and started

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staying at my mother's house. And my mama come waiting

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me up in the middle of the night into like Rome.

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She says that that things, that cougar cat or wherever

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that thing is. She says, out there in the front

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yard under my windows, screaming. And I got up and

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I think she's out there just raising hell. And I

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went when I was looking, get the flashlight and I looked,

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but it would always be just right inside the trees.

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Never I can never see it. So I went and

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backed up. We got a bunch of security cameras, so

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I backed up the scurity cameras and I'm looking for her,

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maybe a cat or something there. But at the time,

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but I could I remember a couple dur a couple

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I think places on the table. You can see like

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a big like a dark shadow or something back behind

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the tree. But I was thinking of sounding like more

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like a cougar because I didn't, like I said, After

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listeners like your show and listening to other people's subscriptions,

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talking about it sounds like a woman screaming. Now I

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realized I was probably that big foot there see, and

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of course the noises being walking around them and probably

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had to be the subsquatch. But after my mom passed,

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I quit going down there for a little bit. Here

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in the last couple of months, I've started going back

455
00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:12.640
down to the creek, back to my hole, and I

456
00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:18.240
started digging again about two months ago. It's hard for

457
00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:19.960
me to get down there for a while and good,

458
00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.279
eating good at my mom's house and even see my dad,

459
00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:26.079
you know, just because the memories. But actually I think

460
00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:27.799
they're still down there, because the last couple of times

461
00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.200
I've been in there digging about time it starts getting dark,

462
00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.319
you start hearing the alcohols and they start going off

463
00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:35.279
and and there you can get the different I used to.

464
00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:37.680
I used to turkey hunt with Jackie Blessed that he

465
00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.480
was the full time world champion turkey caller, and one

466
00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:43.400
of the things you do in a turkey calling contest

467
00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:46.240
is the owl caol when owls like they're real girth

468
00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:50.319
to love girth, that's what they sound like. I'm thinking,

469
00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:52.079
even when I was out here in the woods trying

470
00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:53.559
to teach these people. I was like, man, that's the

471
00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:56.279
worst alcohol I've ever heard them, big buss but it's

472
00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.920
think I am like, absolutely insane. They were probably selling

473
00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:02.759
tickets to go watch me out there, crawling around out

474
00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:04.640
there like an idiot. That's what I feel like now

475
00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:07.680
that I know what I know. But most of it

476
00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.039
got anything you want to ask me about that?

477
00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:13.559
Roman, Definitely I was letting you go. Man, that's some

478
00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:18.680
incredible things that you have experienced over the years. You

479
00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:21.680
shared a lot of really personal things, and I want

480
00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:24.759
to thank you for being open enough to share some

481
00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:29.759
really personal things. Besides the bigfoot interactions, I was thinking

482
00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.079
about the owl calls. So it sounds like what tipped

483
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:36.680
you off is that the owl cal itself was just

484
00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.440
so ridiculous sounding, not that it.

485
00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:42.119
Was like yeah really loud, Yeah you can tell, yeah, yeah,

486
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.400
real bad. I definitely went out. I was always thought

487
00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:46.799
it as a person, I thought there were people on

488
00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.160
my place doing these alcohols. Wouldn't let them they wear

489
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:50.839
each go and work. I can never catch them. But

490
00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:52.799
now I know that it was probably not a uh,

491
00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.359
they probably weren't people. Looking back, now I can one thing.

492
00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:58.319
I'm pretty good into woods. I can wat the walk

493
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.640
very quiet. I used to and I used to hunt.

494
00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.960
I used to hunt time I was stalky, knockbo, that's

495
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.119
beat stop. And I can figure out by the likes

496
00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:09.319
of me, I can never see you. It was making

497
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:12.119
all these walking through the woods, making all these calls.

498
00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:16.119
I said, now, it's probably because of wodn't people. So

499
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.559
I feel I feel like I'm a idiot now and

500
00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:21.039
knowing what I know now after my encounter and knowing

501
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:24.240
that they do alcohols and stuff like that.

502
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:28.759
Oh, absolutely, hindsight is twenty twenty for sure. What would

503
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:33.160
you say is the most recent interaction or that you

504
00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:35.160
would attribute to Bigfoot.

505
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:37.880
I would say about two weeks ago when I got

506
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.200
down I was down there digging, and I'm sitting there.

507
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.480
When I'm in my whole, I'm like, I have a

508
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.160
hammer and a chisel, cause you know, it's an outcross

509
00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:49.599
a rock outcrop, and I'm sitting there hammer and chiseling away.

510
00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:51.799
And then I start by the time it starts getting

511
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:55.079
dark and you start hearing these alcohols, and there's a

512
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:59.599
where our place is. There's an island that's right across

513
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.960
from our place, and the creek goes on both sides

514
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.319
of it. And this island is probably about the size

515
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.240
of about one and a half football fields, and it's

516
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.720
got just huge trees and just real thick even during

517
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:13.799
the wintertime, it's thick. You can't see in there, and

518
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:15.680
that's where a lot of some of the calls are

519
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.480
coming from. Oh so, yeah, I got monoculars and I

520
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:22.799
was looking trying to look through there a couple and

521
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.279
I saw a couple of things in there when I

522
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.279
was looking through my monoculars. That kind of leads me

523
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.519
to think that it's a perfect place. Nobody ever goes

524
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:35.039
on his islands. Nobody ever goes on his oland.

525
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:38.400
We kind of things, did you notice through the binocular.

526
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.920
I was looking through my monoculars, And the first thing,

527
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.880
one thing I always one thing one of my hobbies

528
00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.200
was always is like looking to just see how far

529
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.279
I can, like look through into the woods. You can

530
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:51.279
sit there and when you focus in on which your monoculars,

531
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:53.039
you want to find a gap in the trees, and

532
00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:55.279
then you want to try to just take your mind

533
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:57.319
away from everything else around it. You want to try

534
00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.480
to focus on that one spot going through too thieves,

535
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:02.799
you know what I'm talking about, Because in order to

536
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:04.680
focus in on behind it. You had to get out

537
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.759
of the focus with the main feature to be able

538
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:09.880
to look deeper and deeper. But I saw something it

539
00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.279
looked like like maybe a head sticking out from behind

540
00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:14.400
the tree. But I said, I could just be a

541
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.480
limb or bush sticking out side of the tree also,

542
00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.920
And so I sit there and I just sit there

543
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.799
and watch it and watch it. And then it moved

544
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:23.920
and just be seeing it go in toward the tree.

545
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:27.240
That's huh. So that's one thing I looked for. And

546
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.039
then after it moved, I started looking down. I went

547
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:32.559
over to the next tree, and then I saw it

548
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:35.319
at the next tree right beside it, okay, And then

549
00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:36.599
I sat there and watched it for a while, and

550
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.680
then it didn't move, and I turned it looked to

551
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:42.640
the right, and then I swing back just to see

552
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.240
if it would move, but I looked away and then

553
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.680
when I had to look back at it wasn't there anymore.

554
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.079
And then I looked down and I saw it down

555
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:51.200
toward the bottom, lower at the bottom in the tree.

556
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.279
So there was definitely some movement going on in there.

557
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:57.039
I can't say, yeah, it was a soft squats, but

558
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:58.400
I think.

559
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:02.119
It is very interesting. Sing you mentioned that Betsy is

560
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:03.160
Betsy's still alive.

561
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.440
Yeah, she still alive. She moved after that, Yes, she moved,

562
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:09.839
and she was down there all the time. She did,

563
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:12.680
and she was for her to come to me and

564
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.160
just tell me something like that. She seemed pretty rattled

565
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:16.599
about it. She's pretty upset about it.

566
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:19.759
Betsy's got stories, yeah, no question.

567
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:22.480
Yeah, I bet she does. I bet she does. I

568
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.000
can get older. In fact, I had talked to her

569
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:27.000
sister in law, eight sister in law the other day,

570
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.119
and she had give me Betsy's number because I've never

571
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.079
talked to Betsy after I had to run in with it,

572
00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:34.079
so I wanted to call Betsy and tell her, you

573
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:36.279
know what I ran in that thing up to hell.

574
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.000
So I've been really meaning the I worked so much.

575
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:41.480
I worked all the time, like six seven days a week.

576
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.720
Feel free to pass on my info if you ever

577
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:47.759
get to talk to her. I would love, yeah, will

578
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:48.319
I like.

579
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:50.640
I love to know a little bit more of myself now.

580
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:52.720
I think if I tell her that she's probably she'll

581
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:54.680
probably opened up a little bit more after I kill her.

582
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:56.720
I had and she's singing to you know if people

583
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:58.359
are on a I didn't tell too many people like

584
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.359
this first thing, might I want up my dad house?

585
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.759
And I wasn't, like I said, I lost my fear factory,

586
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:04.880
a long time agot. You know, in order for me

587
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.599
to be afraid of something, you had to like, I

588
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:11.119
don't fear death. I know what's going to happen, and

589
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.160
when it's your time, is your time. So and I

590
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:17.720
had a really bad rake, like years and years ago,

591
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.680
as I was in my brand new f two fifty,

592
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:22.480
I was going up Mark Karrall. I had been moblogging

593
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.559
to my jeep, I said, doing it about eighty five

594
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.880
my brour and I was my girlfriend at the time.

595
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:29.359
I was talking to her and she could sheoose bad

596
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:31.079
at We just kept him hanging up on me. So

597
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:32.960
I sent her message my phone and I went off

598
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.599
Soda Road and I hit a concrete covert. Hit head

599
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.000
on the concrete covert. I went in every end over

600
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.759
one hundred and twenty five yards down this inbatement. Dude,

601
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.440
I hit eight trees. The truck was I mean nothing

602
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.119
left up the truck. The roof is so flat, the

603
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.880
stem and smashed down to up seat, I mean phone,

604
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:52.400
everything in that truck was just being destroyed. And I

605
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.240
was standing there on the hood of that truck when

606
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:57.240
it stopped without a scratch on me and thinking, what

607
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:01.039
has happened? Wow, you're lucky driver. Next day he was,

608
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.519
he was on his hands and he's had my shirt going.

609
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.119
You got some kind of purpose, You got some kind

610
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.279
of purpose and said, I've been driving a record eache

611
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.720
for twenty years. Said your truck's talked too much of story,

612
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:13.480
vicais I've ever seen in my life and said you

613
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:17.000
ain't tell you? Yeah, I mean it was definitely some

614
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.920
of divine intervention. Yeah. I shouldn't even be alive. I

615
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.880
should have hamburged me. But something, man, I don't pursue

616
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.519
whatever reason, it saved my life.

617
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:27.640
That's wild. Roman.

618
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.920
People were bringing me. I had people bringing me parts

619
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.559
of my truck, having me autographed. Oh yeah, like, man,

620
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.920
when you autographed this for me. I found this tennis

621
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.400
ball in a direct and had me a silent fans ball,

622
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:40.759
any part of my truck they could finally laying in

623
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:41.880
the gig center there.

624
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:43.319
That is so weird.

625
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:44.799
It's crazy.

626
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.400
Wow, makes you think about each day for sure.

627
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.359
Yeah, definitely, But that just made me realize that when

628
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:54.920
it's your times, this your time and right in with

629
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:55.400
my time.

630
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.440
So absolutely my foss.

631
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.680
Coming out of hill and big Foot when I run

632
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:00.720
around and killed me, but it would have been my

633
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.279
time I went out with my boot song.

634
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:06.720
That's the exactly right the area you were talking about

635
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.319
where you dig for rocks. Do you guys have granite

636
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:11.039
in that area?

637
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.000
Yeah, we have a whole lot of granite. Really yeah,

638
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.920
a lot of granite, a lot of quartz. See, there's

639
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:19.920
several gold mines up the road. You got the dor

640
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.559
mine you know, which was in McCormick back in eighteen

641
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:24.240
hundred US A pretty good a bit of gold, and

642
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.920
I think there's a couple of other mines around there.

643
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:29.440
And that outcrop I got, I was happened to just

644
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:31.599
be looking into Golie one day and I seen a

645
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:35.839
rock formation opening in Clayland. I started digging, and man,

646
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.680
it was just like orange and green and blue and

647
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:40.519
just every color of the rainbow.

648
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.039
And this rock big for society. Who will be right

649
00:29:43.119 --> 00:30:02.960
back after these messages, there's a few I've talked to

650
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:09.359
I don't even think on record where they've mentioned they

651
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.000
have hypothesis that massive amount of granted could be related

652
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.400
to Bigfoot type things. And I think it might even

653
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.240
come up in some missing for one one stuff too.

654
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.319
But I just wanted to ask you about that. That's

655
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.160
very interesting, Jay, I have.

656
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.559
Yeah, there's a granted is one of the main rocks

657
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:30.839
we have here. We need drew your whales and stuff.

658
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.200
I hear you have to drift the grantite. But I

659
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.480
tell you what I play said that they're on there.

660
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.680
This guy Indian. There's Indian graves. And let me tell you,

661
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.720
I've had some serious anybody's gon run into a big foot,

662
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.240
it's gonna be me because I've had some serious encounters

663
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.240
with some spirits. And when one time met my wife,

664
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.279
we had like a spirit in our house and see

665
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:57.720
that they clawed her all up right there. When I really,

666
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.160
oh dear, and I was trying to grab her and

667
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:04.079
older and protect her and from it was there this

668
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:06.599
cla all across her back everything. I stuck it and

669
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.039
he believed it. But we had a guy who stayed

670
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:11.480
there in our place that helped my dad, and he

671
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.000
stayed in the camper in the creek. His name was David,

672
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.119
and my dad he owns a bunch of properties all

673
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.599
over the place and has rental properties. So he helped

674
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.119
my dad. He was like his handiman, and he stayed

675
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.279
on the camper, and the dad provided him attle place

676
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.559
to stayed down there. And he liked to drink a lot,

677
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.960
and one night he drank a little too much, and

678
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.119
I guess he had they'd phoned in the creek and

679
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.640
he drowned in the creek. And anyway, years later, me

680
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:38.440
and my girl I was taking at the time, we

681
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.480
were upstairs. I had a big sliding glass door going

682
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.319
out onto a balcony out there at my house. And

683
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:45.319
I looked up the glass and I said, man, there's

684
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.480
a David. I said, he's standing there something something like.

685
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.599
I could see him and some other guy in a

686
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.240
long beard. He was real white face, and David the

687
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.519
skin was green. And she said yeah. She said, he's

688
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.519
laving at you right now. And by the time she

689
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.440
said that, he was throwing his hand up waving at me.

690
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.319
I said, you can see him, and said, yeah, but yeah, today,

691
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.960
he's been dead for fifteen years and he's sitting there

692
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.839
waving at me. He saw it. No, she waving at you.

693
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.279
I used to see ghosts in there, all kind of

694
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:15.519
spirits all the time. Down there.

695
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.759
You said that you're in pretty close proximity to some

696
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:20.759
burial grounds.

697
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.200
Yeah, looks at the Indian barrel on my dad's place,

698
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.279
and we got I got an area he collection, I

699
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:32.000
got both. Yeah, yeah, I got all kind of stuff,

700
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:33.240
you name it. I got an area.

701
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:38.240
It was how close to the houses are the burial grounds?

702
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.640
Oh, I'd say within maybe eighty hundred yards?

703
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.000
Oh my goodness, do wow.

704
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.160
Yeah. Yeah, So there used to be the main campus

705
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.240
right there our place if you look at them out

706
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.279
where this would have been seven eight thousand years ago,

707
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:56.039
these Indians.

708
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.759
So there was a there was like an encampment type deal.

709
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.559
Was that there was like a main like a village

710
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:04.000
type deal you're saying.

711
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.519
Or yeah, up on the flag and then he had

712
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.319
to creak down like city camps would have been up

713
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.359
there on the top of the hills. Sure, the niest

714
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.400
ever would put their camp from on the slopes, always

715
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.200
on the plants. That's where we find most of artifacts.

716
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.440
So you're definitely in the thickest something there. You've got

717
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.160
so much stuff going on in that one area that

718
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.000
you're at. And I'm not surprised after finding out that.

719
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.319
I wanted to talk a little bit about so that

720
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.680
the night when you saw the creature and you yelled

721
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.039
at it, and then it ran away on all fours.

722
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:41.880
Yeah, it didn't run allway. It just went up about

723
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.359
thirty yards and got behind a nother tree started yelling

724
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:44.680
some more.

725
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:49.119
Yeah, so the can you describe, like what you noticed

726
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.880
from the way it was yelling, Was it just a

727
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.079
sound or language or it was it.

728
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.319
Was more as yelling and it wasn't And it wasn't

729
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.359
all farotias like a lot of people will say. It

730
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:03.400
was just it's just raising like it's pissed off. I

731
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.519
gotta think so maybe it got strayed by the skunk.

732
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.960
This smell, I mean it smelled. That's the way it

733
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.440
was acted like. It was just like frustrated today because

734
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.920
it smelled just like a skunk I'm talking about there

735
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.079
Always people always try to describe how would it smelled,

736
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.559
how the odor was, But this thing smelled if you've

737
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.199
ever rode by a dead skunk on r on the highway,

738
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:27.719
no different than that. It was identical to the smell

739
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:28.719
of dead skunk on the road.

740
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.039
Did you notice or can you remember any weird details

741
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.159
about what you saw?

742
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.199
Yeah, it was it was like a real It was

743
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.079
like a chocolate like a more like a chocolate color color,

744
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.039
a dark, real dark brown black, maybe mixed a little bit,

745
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.079
or could have had mud on it on it, but

746
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.400
it was real dark. And it had definitely had some

747
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:51.559
long arms, because that's one thing you could see they

748
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:56.559
just flapping and flying away. And I can never really tell.

749
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.239
I can never really get a good height guess on

750
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.480
it because the way that the terraineans of all the hills,

751
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.239
you got gilts and all kinds of stuff to say

752
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.880
where I was standing in the road coming up, so

753
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.199
you got like a little three foot bank right there,

754
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.480
and then it was like over the hump and behind

755
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.280
the holly tree right there. Going it slopes back down

756
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.360
to the right, you can get over that little hump,

757
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.199
and it was behind that big holly tree right there.

758
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.920
And then after I said that to it, I didn't

759
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:23.800
know if to understood me or what about me shooting.

760
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.079
But it's getting a little bit more distance between what

761
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.519
it ran over behind that Caesar tree then, but it

762
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:32.880
was sitting there and just grab had grabbed a hold

763
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:34.760
of it, you know, and it was like, I guess

764
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:36.599
you're stepping over both hands and grabbed a hold of

765
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:38.119
the lean on each side. It was just sitting there,

766
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.639
just shaking the tree. And when it went in the

767
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.599
other direction and it started really definitely took any sphere

768
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.360
and in the way it was yelling too, and it

769
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.840
wasn't like real sphere. I guess that this could have

770
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:53.119
been like a maybe a juvenile maybe because it didn't

771
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.480
have the It didn't sound like it had the lung

772
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.719
capacity like some of these some of the other descriptions

773
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.079
some of the other people say, it sounded like it

774
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:02.800
didn't have that. I didn't feel it when.

775
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.119
I think one of I would have to say. The

776
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.840
part that really got me was that it ended up

777
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:10.239
following you up to your truck.

778
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.519
Oh yeah, that's that surprised. That really did surprise me.

779
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.800
And it had to be that creature because there's nothing

780
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.320
else I could have, you know, thirty five hundred dermacs.

781
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.239
It's got pretty stout suspension on it, absolutely, and like

782
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:27.440
I already already had a thousand pounds of rocks in

783
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.440
the back of it, so it was already compressed pretty

784
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.079
good before it jumped on the back of it. For

785
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:34.280
to drop down that far, that's what really got my attention.

786
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.119
Right there, I said, Man, that thing is bigger than

787
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:38.760
I thought it was so they had they had to

788
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:41.519
be heavy. Oh yeah, I don't think it jumped on

789
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.079
the truck. I think it because they went down so

790
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.800
fast and came back up so quick. If he would

791
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.320
have jumped on it, it would have been went down

792
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.119
and then pasta came out. I think what it did

793
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.119
it we came up and put his hands on the

794
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:53.920
back of my tailgate because I had a tool body

795
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:55.920
on a body on the back of it. Okay, so

796
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.480
it's pretty stout tailgate. Didn't know it's hard, still solid still,

797
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.760
So I think he just put his hands on the

798
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:03.639
back of the gate and shoved down on it. And

799
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:04.760
that's what it felt like to me.

800
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.079
Thinking over the years when it sounds like there's been

801
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.320
many times when you've heard things in the woods. Have

802
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.760
there ever been times where there was a sound you

803
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.960
heard and it just it confused you and you were like, I,

804
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:21.960
this sound shouldn't be here right now.

805
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.840
Yeah, many times we'd be out there and I heard

806
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.039
this thing one night, making this real weird kind of

807
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:31.199
I don't even know if I could start and describe it.

808
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.079
It was a I'm like, what in the world is that?

809
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:37.639
But it would always do that, and it would be

810
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.159
there in that ditch down there making that noise. When

811
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.199
it was it real loud, but it was I've never

812
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.239
heard anything making no noise sound like that. I love

813
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.840
that there, and I sat a countless night. I loved

814
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:50.679
to sit outside at night and just listened up the

815
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:56.800
creakings and the sounds of the nature. Absolutely, and so

816
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.679
my whole life has been sitting outside listening. When I

817
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.440
hear noises like that, I've never heard before. But at

818
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.119
the time, I wasn't thinking the Bigfoot.

819
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.599
Yeah, exactly. When once you get aware that could be

820
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.320
an issue in your area, your outlook kind of changes.

821
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.599
Have there ever been any sightings of I don't know

822
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.920
if you've ever heard of dog man before, like a

823
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.840
creature that kind of has a canine look to it

824
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:22.320
and it's on two legs.

825
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.519
No. I know that they probably exist, but I had

826
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.119
never seen one of those. By the stories I've heard,

827
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:29.840
I hope I don't.

828
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.760
Well, that's I'm gonna I was going to say, count

829
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.800
yourself lucky that they're not in the picture that you

830
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.440
know of for sure. That's good, Yeah, that I know of?

831
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:42.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back then I was always packing some

832
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.599
serious but guns. I always had to do three guns

833
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.639
on me, big shotguns that my wife I had three

834
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.800
hundred win mag you i'd always keep on me when

835
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:51.239
I was down there. That's a that's an elephant rifle. There,

836
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.519
that's a begun. I killed my first dear with that

837
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.079
gun when I was like eleven years old, and that's

838
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.000
that's bigger than a little bit bigger than his mag.

839
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.119
And I always felt you to say, I've been I

840
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:02.840
brought I was there with guns. Was nothing for me

841
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:04.480
when I was like ten or eleven years old. That's

842
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.920
how much times it changed with kids today and back

843
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.039
when I was kids. I could walk out side with

844
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.519
a thirty eight sun days when I was ten eleven

845
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.880
years old, Tell my parents I was some target practice

846
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.679
and they didn't think nothing about it. These days, man,

847
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.840
the kid walks out with ten year old walks out

848
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:20.920
at the getting the better tackle us.

849
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.320
I ask, Yeah, it's a little bit different. Unfortunately, I'm

850
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.679
guessing what was that back in the probably eighties or

851
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:26.440
nineties or.

852
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.840
Yeah, I was born in seventy two, so that'd been yeah,

853
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.159
about early eighties.

854
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.440
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's a whole different time for sure.

855
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:39.079
Oh yeah, definitely, Roman, you got some weird stuff going

856
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.760
on in your area. Man, I don't think it's gonna

857
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.079
I don't think it's letting out either, to be honest, No.

858
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.960
I tell you what I thought to some other people too,

859
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.119
and they said they got some stuff going on in

860
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.440
their place too. They owned a lot of several hundred

861
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:56.119
acres and they said they filmed some little tps and

862
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.079
stuff like that over the place. Really, and there's a lot,

863
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.239
there's a whole lot. I'm still there's a lot of

864
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.840
national forest and the like bike They turned it and

865
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.639
turned them into bike trails now, so it's used to

866
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.639
be like game management hunting. Now they're like bicycle trails

867
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.039
through the woods. And it's back behind where we're on

868
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.559
our side. Man, it's still nothing. But people they own

869
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:19.599
hundreds and hundreds of acres of land are not selling it.

870
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:20.840
They don't want it to be developed.

871
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.159
And I like it that way, yeah myself as well.

872
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:25.920
It's we got to we can't lose all the land.

873
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:29.559
Just it doesn't right, that's actually nice. I was going

874
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.920
to ask you is have you talked to your neighbors

875
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.519
And it sounds like you're starting to talk to him,

876
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:35.159
which is good.

877
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.519
Yeah, Now the ones that we're see. I didn't really

878
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.000
get along with her brother, which is Tony. He used

879
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.679
to want to. He died here just a few months ago,

880
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:48.079
matter of fact, and his son, his son now he's

881
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.239
got a camper down there. He just begin my campering

882
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.199
went in the last six bout six months ago, and

883
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.320
he's been standing there a little bit. I asked him

884
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:55.920
about that. You be hearing you see, I been. He's

885
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:58.639
I've been hearing some weird stuff down there. I say, hey, man,

886
00:40:58.679 --> 00:40:59.880
that's a that's a big fo.

887
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:03.519
Yeah, that's not That doesn't sound like a good time.

888
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.320
But you gotta do what you gotta do. Feel free

889
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:10.199
to if you're ever talking to anyone. I always feel

890
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.280
free to pass on my information. I always love talking

891
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.360
to people. But Roman, I'm so glad that you reached

892
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:20.239
out to me. This has been an incredible conversation and

893
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.280
I'm just blown away by your area. Has been a

894
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:24.480
it's been a fun shot.

895
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.079
Ye, thanks for having me enjoy your show. Man, as

896
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:29.679
I say, that's what made me a sad. Come on

897
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:30.559
out and talk about it.

898
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:31.760
Oh that's awesome.

899
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:32.159
I love that.

900
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:34.480
I let you go, so I don't keep you all night.

901
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:39.280
But dude, keep looking over your shoulder, but sounds like

902
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:40.400
you've got under control.

903
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.960
Yeah, I'm gonna say so find out something. I'll beat

904
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.159
you back list you know what's going on.

905
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.400
Fantastic, good talking to you. Roman. All right, Dearma, you

906
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.800
have a great night. SII all right, big for society.

907
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.480
You've got the privilege of talking to Alfred tonight. He's

908
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.320
a listener that reached out with some interesting things that

909
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.679
he has encountered in this travels Alfred. I hope you're

910
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.559
doing well tonight, sir. I'm going to put it right

911
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:08.159
over to you.

912
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.599
Yes, good evening, Jeremiah. Thank you for having me on

913
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:17.119
and inviting me to share my incident that I had Again.

914
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.000
My name is Alfred. That's just a little bit of

915
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.840
my background. I'm a na person. I had been doing

916
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:26.920
it for forty years now and I turned me reside

917
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:33.440
in Connecticut. So my stories was back in nineteen eighty seven,

918
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:38.920
my wife and I had visited some friends up in Seattle, Washington,

919
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.159
and what happened was they do on our stay, some

920
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.199
of us decided to go hiking up at Mount Rainier,

921
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.480
and I was really excited about it because I love

922
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.639
the outdoors. I like camping. I've been fishing and doing

923
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:56.039
all that so of stuff. Since I was a teenager

924
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.000
back in the late nineteen seventies, my friends and I

925
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.960
would go hiking up New York at the Catskill regions

926
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:07.039
most of the time. But anyway, this particular story, we

927
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:11.000
had going out to do a hiking tour in Mount

928
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:15.400
Rainier and we ended up at this place. There was

929
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.599
a parking lot. We parked, and as I mentioned my story,

930
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.079
there wasn't too many cars around. There must have been

931
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.199
maybe five other cars in the area, and we started

932
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.239
walking through one of the trails that one of our

933
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.760
friends was familiar with. There were six of us, my wife, myself,

934
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.639
and two other couples, and about a little way into

935
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:38.639
the hike, we came upon a rest area and there

936
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:43.360
were some bathrooms, so everybody decided to go to the bathrooms,

937
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:47.079
and I decided to keep walking down the trail. I

938
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:49.280
must have walked a field, but felt maybe just a

939
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.679
few blocks. I mentioned there was about a nah of

940
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.920
a mile, and the reason I mentioned that was because

941
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:59.519
I'm an avid runner and I can judge distance pretty well,

942
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:03.679
I think. But anyway, as I was walking down this trail,

943
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.840
I heard some noises in the woods like trampling and

944
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.679
just I heard some leaves rattling, and I decided to

945
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.679
go and investigate. And at first I thought it might

946
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.440
be maybe some other hikers. I didn't think it was

947
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.480
animals or anything like that at the moment. So anyway,

948
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:25.400
I decided to go into the woods and I began

949
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.400
to smell. I mentioned my story that I smelled the

950
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.639
stench that was really bad. It was like a body

951
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.920
older and it got stronger stronger as I was getting

952
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:36.639
into the woods.

953
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.320
Big for a society will be right back after these messages.

954
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.960
And it wasn't skunk, because I'm familiar with the outdoor

955
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:02.920
animals and I know what a skunk smell. I was like,

956
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.920
this didn't smell like a skunk. I mentioned that I

957
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.360
used to live in New York City and it reminded

958
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.239
me of a homeless person basically. But anyway, I think

959
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:17.199
that about fifty feet into the I went off to trial.

960
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.159
About fifty feet into it, I saw a group of

961
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.880
trees that must have been maybe about six trees. There

962
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.800
were pretty large pine trees and they were all grouped together.

963
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.360
And then I saw something that was moving and I

964
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.360
couldn't figure out what it was at first, I thought

965
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.599
maybe there was some huge squirrels or maybe some type

966
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:41.519
of an animal, because it was two of them and

967
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.119
they were pretty far apart. One was on top and

968
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.800
once at the bottom. And I kept getting closer because

969
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.039
I was trying to figure out what type of animal

970
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:56.679
it was. And as I got closer, I saw this

971
00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:00.639
huge thing just I guess it went to its right,

972
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.000
so it would have been my left. It piered and

973
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:08.599
I saw this huge thing picking out and I didn't

974
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.239
know what it was. At first I thought it was

975
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.280
a bear, but I said, no, it can be a bear.

976
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:17.400
It was too big to be a bear. Okay. So

977
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.480
then my mind was running one hundred miles an hour

978
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.960
because I'm trying to figure out what the hell is

979
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:26.360
this And I knew it wasn't a person because it

980
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:30.159
was huge. Again, I know distance. When I was in

981
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.760
high school, I used to high jump. I'm five ten

982
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.880
and I was able to high jump six feet, so

983
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:41.880
this thing must must have been eight feet or taller. Okay.

984
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.960
And again when it leaned over, then I realized that

985
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:48.480
the two things that I saw moving was its right

986
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:52.199
arm was holding onto the tree, and the bottom part

987
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.320
was part of its leg, almost like the knee part,

988
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.440
and it looked at me and we locked eyes, and

989
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.599
I think that the that moment lasted I would say

990
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.440
maybe thirty seconds, which is not that long. But it

991
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.639
felt like an eternity because I saw its face. It

992
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.400
had almost human facial features, and it had red eyes,

993
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.320
but the eyes were not bright like you see on

994
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.519
some videos. People at Nither'll show these eyes. They almost

995
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.280
looked like flash and I no, this thing had almost

996
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:25.800
like bloodshot eyes like you would see. And I a

997
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:29.840
drunk person, and it looked at me, and I looked

998
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:33.119
at it, and I was panicking because realizing that this

999
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:36.480
thing was huge, I said, oh, this thing, it's not

1000
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.360
a person. It's not somebody in a costume, because I

1001
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.360
would have been able to tell that's the custom or

1002
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:46.039
that's somebody in something. But again, it was so huge.

1003
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.480
That's why I knew it wasn't a person. And then

1004
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.039
a few minutes later I heard my party catching up

1005
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.360
to me. It was my wife and the other two couples,

1006
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.840
and then this thing looked towards the direction where they

1007
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.639
were coming behind me, and then it just slid away

1008
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.000
and it walked up. It was like that part of

1009
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.400
the woods went up started going up the hill, so

1010
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.960
it just walked away, and then I moved to my

1011
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.440
left to try to get a better glimpse, and I

1012
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.840
was able to see between the trees, and it just

1013
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.760
kept walking up, and then at one moment it stopped.

1014
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.039
It looked to it right, and then it just kept

1015
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.639
walking and it disappeared. And then that's when the rest

1016
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.440
of my party caught up to us, and I don't

1017
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.440
know what to do. I don't know how to explain

1018
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.599
to them that I had seen something that I couldn't explain,

1019
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.199
because again, I don't want to be ridiculed. I don't

1020
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:39.280
want to be made fun of. And back then, this

1021
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.880
was back in nineteen eighty seven, we didn't know anything

1022
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.119
about bigfoot. Back then, I didn't know. I had never

1023
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.039
heard about bigfoot. Even when I used to go camping

1024
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:52.039
with my friends, we never heard anything about bigfoot. Didn't

1025
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:57.519
know what it was. Again, later on, later in time, yeah,

1026
00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.760
I started hearing stories about Bigfoot and stuff, but I

1027
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.320
ever thought that's what I saw, because, to be honest

1028
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.960
with you, I wanted to get it out of my

1029
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.719
mind because the only thing that it reminded me of

1030
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:14.880
was a creature that when I was a kid, my

1031
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.800
family used to mention a creature from my childhood that

1032
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.800
sort of people saw back in the motherland. I was

1033
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.519
born in Central America, and my father would tell us

1034
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.760
stories that there was this creature in the woods. I'll

1035
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.960
give you the name. It was called La Sijuanava, And

1036
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:39.079
basically this thing was a hairy monster, and it was

1037
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:43.639
a female because supposedly it has breasts, and it was hairy,

1038
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.320
it was huge, it has the From what I understand,

1039
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.000
the right leg is supposed to be a chicken leg

1040
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.239
and the left leg is supposed to be a horse leg.

1041
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.280
And the story was that if you were in the

1042
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:00.119
woods and then this thing came out at you, you

1043
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:03.000
were not supposed to turn you back to it, because

1044
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:06.800
if you turned your back to it, you will become insane.

1045
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.599
It will do something to you. I know it sounds ridiculous,

1046
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.239
but as a kid, this was the fear that they

1047
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.559
put in us. So anytime that we didn't think wrong,

1048
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.360
they would tell us, oh, they're going to bring us

1049
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.000
to the woods and leave you there, so this thing

1050
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.719
will get you. So that was the only thing that

1051
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.039
crossed my mind. But again I was an adult. I

1052
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.480
was in my early twenties and no, it can't be.

1053
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.719
It's a myth. But that was the only thing that

1054
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:33.360
I can compare it to. So I joined my party

1055
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:35.639
and we kept walking. But the whole time I was

1056
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.440
so afraid. I was glory the whole time, and I

1057
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:41.760
was always looking around. I heard noises, and I was

1058
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:45.519
always just cautious, just in case this thing came out

1059
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:48.440
and tried to attack us or something. And to be

1060
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.199
honest with you, if it did come out and approaches,

1061
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.159
I would have just grabbed my wife by the arm

1062
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.719
and I would have ryan out of there because I

1063
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:58.280
knew this thing was huge and there's no way all

1064
00:50:58.360 --> 00:50:59.880
of us would have been able to fight this thing.

1065
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.840
And then we eventually we made it back to our

1066
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.760
car and we ended up going back to our friend's

1067
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.360
house where we were staying, and that was the end

1068
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:13.239
of it. And I never mentioned it to anybody. I

1069
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:17.199
told my wife this story, I think maybe a year afterwards,

1070
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:19.639
and she thought that maybe it was just a bear

1071
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.159
that I saw. But I know what I saw and

1072
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.360
I know that was not a bear. And to this day,

1073
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.119
I have seen a lot of videos that I have

1074
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:31.280
seen movies, and yeah, as I got older, I realized,

1075
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.639
you know what, I think maybe it could have been

1076
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:35.079
a big for what I saw.

1077
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.559
That's a fascinating story, Alfred. Thank you for sharing. I

1078
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.480
know you just said that you really haven't shared this

1079
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:46.679
with anyone, and I appreciate you sharing it on the show.

1080
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:50.039
Going back to that time when you were able to

1081
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:53.840
look at it for a bit, do you remember anything

1082
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.400
about the color of the hair of what you saw.

1083
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.360
Yeah, this thing was like a reddish brown, because again

1084
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:04.280
when I saw the arm and what was I guess

1085
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.320
the knee moving and I didn't know what it was.

1086
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.159
At first I thought it was maybe like a red squirrel,

1087
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.679
but I'm like, it was too big to be a squirrel,

1088
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.079
because again I couldn't make out what it was because

1089
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.800
it looked like the hand was hugging part of the

1090
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:20.280
tree and it was shaky, like trembling. And then the

1091
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.079
knee was the knee was just staying put. It would

1092
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:26.039
just move from side to side. But again because I

1093
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:28.920
hadn't seen the whole thing, I couldn't make out what

1094
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.519
it was. But it was like a reddish brown.

1095
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:35.119
Yeah, okay, gotcha. So after you were able to see

1096
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.920
exactly what you were looking at, you realized it was

1097
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:39.079
just one creature.

1098
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:43.440
Then it was yeah yeah again when it appeared to

1099
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.880
the right and I looked at it, I saw the face,

1100
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.880
I saw the head, the shoulders, and actually it was

1101
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.119
just part of it. It was just the right shoulder

1102
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.239
because it didn't step out, it just leaned to the right.

1103
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.079
But again, it was so huge that I had to

1104
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:03.360
look up to see this thing, and I was just amazed.

1105
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:07.480
I was I didn't know what to do again because

1106
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.800
my mind was like fighting to try to put I

1107
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.159
guess the reason what is because I couldn't figure it

1108
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.719
out is not. I know it's not a bear, and

1109
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.800
if it was a person, there's no way it could

1110
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:18.239
be that big.

1111
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.719
Oh, just you know, do you remember anything about the

1112
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.280
length of the hair at all, or any about the hair?

1113
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.599
It was hairy, It wasn't how do you say it wasn't.

1114
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.800
The hair wasn't cropped or short. It was actually really shaggy.

1115
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.840
It's funny. It almost reminds me of a Chewbacca from

1116
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.199
Star Wars. Basically that's what it almost looked like, except

1117
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:47.599
reddish brown. The face I remember, the phase was almost human,

1118
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:51.239
and I remember the eyes were also really far apart.

1119
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.440
That was another thing that I remember that The eyes

1120
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.159
were not like a regular person who would be like

1121
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.800
maybe one eye distance in between this thing. It was

1122
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.360
like I was saying, maybe there was like four eyes

1123
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:07.760
in between the first eye and the other eye. And

1124
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.159
then it was like a grayish color the face. And

1125
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:14.079
I know it had lips, it had a mouth, but

1126
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.639
it wasn't moving. The mouth wasn't moving. The nose was

1127
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.719
the nose. It had a nose, and I remember the

1128
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.719
nose was a bit, I guess because it was breathing.

1129
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:27.039
It was flaring a bit. You can see the nostrils moving.

1130
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:31.199
And it was not like the nose was proportional. It

1131
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.199
wasn't like I guess, like a It wasn't like a

1132
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:38.239
gorilla that it's really huge extending. It was almost like

1133
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:42.039
a proportional human nose, but to its size for that face.

1134
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.119
Would you say, was there a hood at all, like

1135
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.559
a hooded nose or was it more of a flat nose.

1136
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.719
Or I don't understand what do you mean hood?

1137
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:51.760
It wasn't flat.

1138
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.719
It was almost like a I guess, almost like a

1139
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.280
human nose, but just huge in proportion to its face.

1140
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:02.079
Okay, okay, gotcha. You said you saw the mouth. Was

1141
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.119
it a larger mouth or smaller mouth or do you

1142
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.039
remember anything about the mouth portion of the face.

1143
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:13.239
The mouth was basically just it didn't have the mouth.

1144
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.400
I don't remember seeing the lips, like I guess he

1145
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.400
human lips. It was almost more like a flat I

1146
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:23.280
guess you would saying, like a flat mouth. There was

1147
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.559
no shape to the lips. It was just like a line.

1148
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:27.840
But it was gray. But you could say because you

1149
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.719
could actually make out that it was a mouth. And

1150
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:32.800
then it had it because it was hairy. It looked

1151
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:35.679
like it had hair where a mustache.

1152
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.480
Would be at any time. Did you see the mouth

1153
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.679
open so you could see the teeth of the creature.

1154
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.559
No, just that was the other thing. It did not

1155
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.480
move then, but I did hear it before I saw it.

1156
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:48.840
It did make a noise, which at first I thought

1157
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.320
it was a bear. It sort of looked like some

1158
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.480
sort of a I guess, like a grunt noise. It

1159
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.760
sounded like it took a breath. It one something like

1160
00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:00.559
aw and then something something to that effect like that.

1161
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:05.480
But the grunt was sort of a It was really

1162
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.199
how do you say, not loud but verberated, like I

1163
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:10.360
can feel it. How you can feel it in your

1164
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.320
bones almost. It was that loud, but it was like

1165
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:17.559
really low and muffled, but I felt in the grunt.

1166
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.280
I felt it before I felt it as I heard it.

1167
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.599
It kind of it sounds crazy, but it was that

1168
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.239
low and muffled that it was that I felt it.

1169
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.039
I don't think that's crazy at all. When you felt

1170
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:35.280
that reverberate, what did it evoke any emotions in you?

1171
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:36.719
Did it make you feel a certain way.

1172
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.119
It's funny. Like I had mentioned on when I responded,

1173
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:43.840
I'm a big martial arts artist. I've been studying martial

1174
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.639
arts now for like maybe wow, forty years now. I've

1175
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:52.400
been doing martial arts, and I know I can defend myself.

1176
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:58.039
In previous years, I had been I had had situations

1177
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:03.400
when I had been confronted by multiple people, and I've

1178
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:07.679
been able to defend myself. But when I saw this thing,

1179
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:11.920
I was afraid because I knew there's no way I

1180
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.639
could defend myself against this thing. No way. In my fear,

1181
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:18.400
it was just for my wife's safety and my safety.

1182
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.400
To be honest with you, I was hoping that if

1183
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:23.199
this thing came out, it would go after one of

1184
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:26.280
my friends that was my thing. My thing was I'm

1185
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.039
going to run out of there with my wife and

1186
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.960
let them get eaten or get whatever, because I wasn't

1187
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:32.880
going to take that chance.

1188
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.239
It sounds like you were in self preservation mode for

1189
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:37.559
sure the.

1190
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:41.480
Whole time walking to that. The hike lasted about two hours,

1191
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.679
I believe the whole time. I don't think I enjoyed

1192
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:48.840
the hike because I was apprehensive every little rowase I

1193
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.360
was always looking around making sure that this thing wasn't

1194
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:54.679
fallow or it wasn't running after us.

1195
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.119
Do you remember anything about the area of the face

1196
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:01.760
above the eyes, like the forehead area.

1197
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:06.079
The forehead It was the forehead was huge, actually, because

1198
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.920
the head was almost pointy. It wasn't like, I guess,

1199
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:12.280
like a regular human head. I remember it was plinty,

1200
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:16.679
not like a football, but that shape it went up

1201
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.599
and pointed to the top, but not really let's a cone.

1202
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:23.960
It just almost almost like an oblong shape. And I

1203
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.159
don't remember seeing ears because I guess maybe because it

1204
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:29.920
was so hairy, I couldn't see any ears. I don't

1205
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:34.639
remember seeing ears because again I was trying to I

1206
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.239
was trying to make sense of trying to match it

1207
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.920
with something that could be explained like let's say, maybe

1208
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:41.320
a bear.

1209
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.679
But no, so during the time when you were able

1210
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.880
to look at it and you had eye contact, did

1211
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.920
it have an emotion in its face at all, or

1212
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.840
during that time when you had eye contact, where you're

1213
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:57.480
feeling any emotions at all.

1214
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:02.559
I was afraid, I felt feeling, but I don't this

1215
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:07.360
thing wasn't afraid or it didn't show any fear. Again,

1216
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:10.800
it only lasted thirty seconds or the last few days.

1217
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.599
And as it was looking at me, I remember it was.

1218
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.440
It blinked a few times, but it was just staring

1219
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:23.079
at me like it was not afraid or concerned. It

1220
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.159
didn't make any effort to, at least now during that moment,

1221
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.159
to run off or anything. Now, it was just this

1222
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.199
thing was sure of itself. Because again when my friends

1223
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.840
started coming up behind me, it looked and it was

1224
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.840
their direction, and then it just slid away. It just

1225
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:44.320
walked away, and then I just saw the arm disappear,

1226
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.360
and then the knee went away, and then it just started.

1227
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:51.440
I heard the noise and then I went in a

1228
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.679
bit to my left to try to get a better glance,

1229
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:57.599
and then I was able to see between the trees,

1230
00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:59.920
and it just walked away going up the hill.

1231
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.840
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

1232
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:21.760
Were you able to get a good look at its hands?

1233
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:26.559
The hands I was. I was able to see once

1234
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.280
once it was walking away. I did see the right

1235
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:33.440
It looked like the right arm in the hand and

1236
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:37.280
I could see that you can see almost like the palm,

1237
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:42.559
and it was copped. But I didn't see fingers when

1238
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.320
I saw its arm in its hand because it was

1239
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:50.360
really hairy. Also so the hairs covering any form of digits.

1240
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:53.039
But when it walked away, yeah, I did see what

1241
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:56.199
looked like a hand and it was I could see

1242
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.440
the back of it because it was walking away from me,

1243
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:03.079
and they were right arm was moving. I couldn't see

1244
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:05.960
the left arm because it was covered by the other

1245
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:11.079
trees that I so basically saw its right side from

1246
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:12.440
the back as it walked away.

1247
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.840
Did you notice anything interesting about the arms.

1248
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:18.719
The arms were? The arm that I saw was pretty long.

1249
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:21.639
The arm, yeah, there was another thing. The arm was

1250
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:25.800
pretty long. I would say maybe yeah, the arm was

1251
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.320
a bit longer. It looked longer than a regular human arm.

1252
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:32.679
How far down the body would you say the arm.

1253
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:34.719
I would say it went up to probably up to

1254
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:35.280
its knee.

1255
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.360
Okay, you were able to see it walk away, sounds

1256
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.920
were able to see the feet. Did you notice anything

1257
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:43.280
about the feet of the creature.

1258
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.400
No, I didn't. I couldn't see anything by the feet

1259
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.800
because I guess of the growth in the area. So

1260
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:53.320
as it was walking away, there was I guess, like

1261
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:58.199
shrubbery and stuff, so I couldn't see pass I guess

1262
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:01.960
its knee, and below that part I guess the back

1263
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.400
of the leg it to was a belowly I couldn't

1264
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.320
see because of the shrubbery. As it walked away and

1265
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:11.239
it was walking up, I only saw I would say

1266
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.280
half of it. It's the right half with the armed

1267
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.440
down as it was walking up the hill, and then

1268
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:20.360
again our REMEMBORI stopped for a second and it looked

1269
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.119
to the right, and then it just looked back straight

1270
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.480
and just kept walking disappeared.

1271
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.360
Anything weird about the gate of the creature or how

1272
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:33.079
the it was actually moving, the way its legs moved,

1273
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:33.840
things like that.

1274
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:42.719
I can remember anything like that. But I do remember

1275
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:47.440
that when I first heard it, and also when it

1276
01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:51.400
walked away, when it took its steps, you can hear

1277
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:55.599
it as it crushed the growth underneath that it was heavy.

1278
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.639
It was heavy because you can actually hear the you

1279
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:01.719
can walk. It wasn't troubling. You don't make some mouse,

1280
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.880
but this thing really made noise as it broked away.

1281
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.599
If you had to estimate how much it weighed, what

1282
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:10.280
would you say?

1283
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:17.119
Wow? Wait? Wow? It had to have been at least

1284
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.920
eight feet tall, because again I can the way when

1285
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.000
I was looking at it and I saw the tree,

1286
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:28.199
it was at least eight. I couldn't see its whole

1287
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:32.480
I didn't see the whole body, okay, because when we

1288
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:35.079
peeked at me, it leaned to the right and I

1289
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.840
saw part of the shoulder. I saw the face, so

1290
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.039
I only saw the right arm still falling to the tree.

1291
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.800
I saw the shoulder. And then when it went back

1292
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.559
and started to move away, and I tried to follow

1293
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:48.360
it a bit to see when it was walking away,

1294
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:52.920
I only saw the right half from its back. It

1295
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:56.599
was tall, weight easily five hundred pounds or more, I

1296
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:58.000
would say easily.

1297
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:00.840
Was there anything that you say I saw that would

1298
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.280
make you think that it was a male or a female?

1299
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.800
I just was funny. I just assume it was a male. Sure,

1300
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:11.119
I didn't because when it was leaning over, I don't

1301
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:15.119
I didn't see any anything that would indicate I didn't

1302
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:19.440
see breasts, if that's what you mean. I didn't see breasts.

1303
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.840
And then when I was walking away, it was huge.

1304
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.199
It didn't look like a female to me. Basically, I

1305
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.239
don't know. Maybe yeah, I could be wrong, maybe you couldn't.

1306
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.519
But I couldn't see any features that would tell me

1307
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:37.280
or lead me to believe that it was a female.

1308
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:40.800
Were you able to see any anything under the hair

1309
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:42.280
muscle wise.

1310
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:47.840
No, not necessarily muscle like I guess if you would

1311
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.880
see a bodybuilding now. But the arms were huge. That

1312
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:56.239
right arm was the width was really huge. I couldn't

1313
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:00.679
tell you how it was huge compared to looking at

1314
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:04.280
the arm, that right arm when it was leaning Yeah,

1315
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:08.039
the I could see the from the shoulder going down

1316
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.320
to the arm and the elbow, and then as it

1317
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:14.719
came around the tree it was huge, meaning thick. But

1318
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:19.079
I don't recall I can't remember seeing like muscles or

1319
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:20.920
muscle movement.

1320
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:24.440
Now, think back to what you were able to see

1321
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.920
of the face if you would, and is this a

1322
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.800
face that you would see when you're visiting the zoo

1323
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:33.280
or that you would see when you're walking down the

1324
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:34.480
street in the city.

1325
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.119
No, not that you wouldn't see that in a person. Now.

1326
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:43.239
If anything, I would say, yeah, a gorilla. Maybe I've

1327
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:49.880
seen gorilla's up close. That's the only closes But a gorilla.

1328
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:54.239
The features a gorilla looks like the features, right, they're

1329
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:57.960
that hairy. Then the hair is really cropped and it's

1330
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.400
close to the skin and you can see the features

1331
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:05.039
like the noses flat pushed in. No, this thing was not.

1332
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.239
This thing was not an ape, if that's what you

1333
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:11.880
if you wanted to compare it to. It was definitely

1334
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:16.239
not I know where a gorilla and rangey tent or

1335
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:19.559
even a chimpanzee looks. No, this thing did not resemble

1336
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:20.800
any of that.

1337
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:24.760
Interesting okay, so not not an epe.

1338
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:29.199
But no, that that was because that was one later

1339
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:33.920
after the incident, when we were still there, I was

1340
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.719
for days. I was trying to process it, trying to

1341
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:39.920
was it a gorilla. There's no gorilla, is nothing, There's

1342
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:43.360
no way, it's no way, no way. So my wife

1343
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.360
thinks that it was either a bear or maybe somebody

1344
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.800
in the suit. But there's no way it was somebody

1345
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.039
in the suit. Not that big no way.

1346
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:56.320
So remind me what time of year it was in nineteen.

1347
01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:59.920
This was in August, Yeah, August, because we had got

1348
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.199
married in August of eighty five, my wife and I

1349
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:06.760
and basically that was almost our We were young at

1350
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:09.679
the time and so we didn't have a honeymoon, and

1351
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:12.280
that was almost like a honeymoon trip. So it was

1352
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.760
in August of eighty seven. And I remember that my

1353
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:20.840
friends had made a comment that that basically in Seattle

1354
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:25.239
you can actually go swimming and you can also go

1355
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:28.639
skiing at the same time because you can actually go

1356
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:31.000
up to the mountain. And I remember that when we

1357
01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:34.079
went to the mountain, we had to wear almost like

1358
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.679
a windbreaker type of thing because it was it was

1359
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:39.840
colder up at the mountain than it was where we

1360
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:43.760
were staying. It was a colder day, but there wasn't

1361
01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:46.760
snow in the area that we were hiking. But you

1362
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:51.000
can actually see higher up you can see the mountain,

1363
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.719
the peak covered in snow, but not where we were hiking.

1364
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.320
What time of day again, was it that that you saw.

1365
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:02.159
Was like in the middle of the day. I think

1366
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:07.199
we got there like before lunchtime. And I remember that

1367
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:10.280
it was the lighting was pretty. It was decent lighting

1368
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:13.719
because the way there's it was like a little rain

1369
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.479
one moment and then it would be sunny and our

1370
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.880
men was a pretty nice clear day. It didn't rain

1371
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:22.680
on us or anything like that. It was pretty good.

1372
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:26.880
So there wasn't like let's say, fog or anything that

1373
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:30.720
or even a miss at my effect division of this thing.

1374
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.399
Was there anything that the creature did during the short

1375
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.560
time you saw it that really confused you even after

1376
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:39.359
all these years.

1377
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.479
Just the fact the way that it was looking at me,

1378
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:45.600
the way it looked at me, it would be almost

1379
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.640
like a person. It would look at you right like somebody.

1380
01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:52.560
It's I don't know, it's just it felt like this

1381
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:57.640
thing is almost like a human being but huge. It

1382
01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:01.039
looked at me, and it knew that I was Probably

1383
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:05.119
I wasn't pretty this way, I wasn't a local animal.

1384
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.800
It knew that I was a person basically, and I

1385
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:10.319
felt that this thing's looking at me and it knows

1386
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:12.960
what I am. It wasn't like let's say, a deer

1387
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:15.279
looking at you or any other animal. This thing. You

1388
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:19.640
can sense that this thing was almost human basically.

1389
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:22.840
Would you ever have nightmares about what you saw over

1390
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:24.840
the years I did.

1391
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:30.840
I did have I wouldn't say nightmares because not nightmares,

1392
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:35.119
but oh, constantly thinking about it, just trying to make

1393
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.880
sense out of it, basically trying to make sense that

1394
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:42.199
it was not a bear, it was not a deer,

1395
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:44.920
it was not no way it could have been an

1396
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:47.800
ape because there's no apes up there, and I would

1397
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:51.399
think maybe perhaps an ape got lose in the zoo

1398
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.720
and it escaped. And no, there was no never any incidents.

1399
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:59.159
I never read because later in life I would do

1400
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:03.479
research this. There was any incidents regarding oh maybe that

1401
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:08.439
they reported anything similar to that, And again, yeah, I did,

1402
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:11.680
and I saw other Obviously I started seeing other people

1403
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:16.600
talking about signings, but not let's say a mountain ryon

1404
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:19.960
or something that does not blown up in that mountain.

1405
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:24.159
Have you ever seen let's say, a picture or a

1406
01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:27.199
drawing or anything that was similar to what you saw.

1407
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:32.600
The only thing that it's funny, the only thing that

1408
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:37.560
I think came close to it again was Chewbacca from

1409
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:40.119
Star Wars. That's the closest thing that I can relate

1410
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.319
to except brownish red.

1411
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:44.560
Would you ever want to see one again?

1412
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:50.399
Yes, I would, I definitely would. Maybe maybe not that

1413
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:53.720
up close. But yeah, I would definitely I would love

1414
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:54.439
to see one.

1415
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:56.439
Why would you want to see one again?

1416
01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:59.680
I don't know. I just I think that I would

1417
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.119
need to see it. I don't know I can explain why.

1418
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:06.520
I just need to see it again. Put it that way,

1419
01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:11.279
I guess maybe to make sure that maybe I wasn't imagining,

1420
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:14.199
I wasn't seeing things. But then again, if I do

1421
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:17.199
see one again, I would know how to explain it

1422
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:17.920
or what it is.

1423
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:18.479
I need to know.

1424
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:22.319
You know how people claim to see UFOs or even ets,

1425
01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:24.840
right which you want to see? I would love to

1426
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:28.399
see what? Sure? Yeah, I definitely would love to see it.

1427
01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:30.960
And it's funny. My friends and I used to go

1428
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:36.399
camping upstate New York again by the Catskills area. There's

1429
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:41.359
a lake. It's a National park called North South Lake.

1430
01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:45.600
I believe it's called Sagod It's up in except twenty

1431
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.319
if I'm not mistaken, on the throughway, and we used

1432
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:51.359
to camp there all the time, and we will hear

1433
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:54.479
noises at night. We used to like to go camping,

1434
01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.560
either at the beginning of the season or at the end,

1435
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.479
but there wasn't too many people and we would hear

1436
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:04.560
stuff out there, and again, back then, we didn't know

1437
01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:06.039
what a big foot was. We never heard of it,

1438
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.600
but we would hear noises and we always would joke

1439
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.680
about saying somebody left their dog in the woods and

1440
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:17.199
they never came back because we would hear this thing

1441
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:20.920
that it sounded almost like a dog market. But it

1442
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:23.640
was like almost every time we went up there, we

1443
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:29.039
will hear this thing. But we never saw anything up there.

1444
01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:32.039
We did see bear, black bear and other animals, but

1445
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:35.199
we never saw anything like this up there, And I'm

1446
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:38.800
sure they've had sightings up there, but we never came across.

1447
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.439
And again, ever since I was a teenager, we used

1448
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:44.960
to go camping as a group, four of us every

1449
01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:48.600
year religiously, and up until when I was an adult,

1450
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:51.319
I would say, maybe I haven't gone camping in five years,

1451
01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:55.039
but prior to that we would go every year religiously

1452
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.439
camping to that same campground.

1453
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.399
Yeah, no, I know that up in that year there

1454
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:03.359
have been sightings. I've talked to a few people. It's

1455
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:07.479
a very interesting area going back to your mountain in

1456
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:13.199
near sightings. Yeah, was there anything else that you had

1457
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.319
forgotten to mention about?

1458
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:22.479
The nothing, the smell, it's funny because after it was going,

1459
01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:26.119
you can still smell it. You can still smell it,

1460
01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:30.920
not as strong as when it was standing that close.

1461
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.399
But after it left and my friends caught up, I

1462
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:37.920
remember some of them saying, oh, they were talking about,

1463
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.960
Oh the who's who? They were joking around that somebody

1464
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.359
didn't take a bath, or somebody let one go. And

1465
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:48.159
I just kept quiet because I didn't want anybody didn't

1466
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:52.159
know what happened. I just at least not to my friends.

1467
01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:55.680
I told my wife later when we came back actually

1468
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.439
from our trip, I mentioned to her, but I never

1469
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:02.920
told my friends that were with us that day because

1470
01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:04.520
I just, you know, I don't know how to explain

1471
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:05.680
I wouldn't know how to explain it.

1472
01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.520
What kind of sounds were you hearing this in the

1473
01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:09.800
woods that that day?

1474
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:14.600
That day, I heard squirrel sounds. We hear the squirrels,

1475
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:20.119
chipmunks that was that's probably just about it, and obviously birds,

1476
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:23.399
but nothing like this. And again when I heard the grunt,

1477
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:25.560
I immediately assumed.

1478
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:28.000
It was a bear. That's what I thought. I think

1479
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.800
it's got to be a bear. And I've heard bear

1480
01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:34.119
because again, when I was camping up state New York

1481
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:36.960
black bear would come to the campground and you have

1482
01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:40.079
to be careful not to engage them or bother We

1483
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:43.600
would basically walk away from the campsite, and we knew

1484
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.800
enough to keep the whatever food we had tied up

1485
01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:49.880
high with a rope in the tree to keep it

1486
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:52.600
away from the bear, because they did come at night

1487
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:55.520
to the campground, and if you didn't bother them, they

1488
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:57.479
didn't bother you, and they were not that big. To

1489
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.880
the black bear up there a brown.

1490
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.279
Beer big for society will be right back after these messages.

1491
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:23.640
Were there any sounds that you've heard during your time

1492
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:26.600
there when you were hiking around that were just out

1493
01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:28.600
of place, or that's a weird sound.

1494
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:33.760
I didn't hear anything out of place except for that grunt.

1495
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:39.399
That was the only And again, as we kept walking,

1496
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:45.319
I was always listening. I was waiting to hear this

1497
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.079
thing because I was still afraid that this thing is

1498
01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:50.199
going to come out and try to attack it. As

1499
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:53.479
I was hearing other noises, I was paying close attention

1500
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.199
that if I heard that grunt, that thing is going

1501
01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:59.760
to be really close by. But the rest of the

1502
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:03.479
the hike and I didn't hear that particular grunt.

1503
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:07.520
You know if the grunt was conveying an emotion, what

1504
01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:10.399
would it be. Did you get anything from the sound,

1505
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:12.800
And I know that's a weird question, but.

1506
01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:17.640
Yeah, I think that maybe it made the noise to

1507
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:21.960
let me know not to get close. That's the only

1508
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:25.000
thing I can think of, because again, it sounded like

1509
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.760
a like a muffled grunt, but it sounded like it

1510
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:31.760
took a breath first, and want something to that like that,

1511
01:16:33.840 --> 01:16:37.119
something like that, like it was relaxing, and it was

1512
01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:41.600
only just that one grunt. I didn't it didn't grunt anymore.

1513
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:44.600
That was the only time it grunted. And then as

1514
01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:48.600
we make contact and it walked away, it didn't make any.

1515
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:52.399
Has there been anything about the encounter that you do

1516
01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.880
not want to share or that you've been very hesitant

1517
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:55.439
to share.

1518
01:16:56.279 --> 01:17:00.680
No, not at all. That was the whole story. Obviously.

1519
01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:04.119
To this day, I haven't mentioned the two our friends

1520
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:07.560
up there in Seattle, Washington. We'll keep in touch with them. Yeah,

1521
01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:10.920
I never mentioned it because, oh wow, I don't know.

1522
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:14.239
It's just one of those and I'm sure that they

1523
01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:17.720
are aware. And who knows, maybe if we ever go

1524
01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:21.920
up there, because I have gone up there to listen

1525
01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:24.920
then ever, since that time in eighty seven, I think

1526
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:29.319
we went back maybe five other times different years from

1527
01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:32.640
eighty seven up until maybe I think the last time

1528
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.680
we went up there was when my son was my

1529
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:38.199
son was fine ninety three, four or five seven. Nineteen

1530
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:40.319
ninety eight was the last time that we went up there.

1531
01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:44.319
So the people you're with out in the woods, they

1532
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:46.000
don't really know what happened.

1533
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:50.760
No, they don't know what happened. Now. Wow, So again

1534
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:53.439
maybe one day if we go, I'm sure we'll go

1535
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:58.319
up there to visit friends again because stuff happening, who knows,

1536
01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:01.800
weddings and things, and we will end up going up there,

1537
01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:04.399
and I'll probably mention it to them. I guess I'm

1538
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:10.520
in I'm sixty three this year. I'm in that point

1539
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:12.840
in my life that, you know what, I don't care about.

1540
01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:15.760
I don't care about what other people think.

1541
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:16.399
I get.

1542
01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:21.119
It doesn't bother me as it would have thirty forty

1543
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.840
years ago. Right now, I'm like, you know what, if

1544
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.880
they make fun of me, more power to them that

1545
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:31.000
it would not affect me at all. I would not

1546
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:36.119
feel I guess what I was afraid feeling back there, being.

1547
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:38.800
Ridiculed and the great thing is, all the stuff that

1548
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.840
you're sharing will help a lot of people that are

1549
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:45.520
listening and maybe even help them to work through what

1550
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:49.000
they experienced and then be able to share by contacting

1551
01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:50.439
me what they've experienced.

1552
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:50.479
You.

1553
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:52.920
So, I really appreciate you reaching out, Alfred.

1554
01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:56.720
Sure y, Yeah, it was my pleasure. It was nice

1555
01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:58.079
talking to you and sharing this.

1556
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:02.720
If you ever do get in touch with those you know,

1557
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:07.199
those friends again and there's any new information, please please

1558
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:07.720
reach out.

1559
01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:12.079
But I would definitely let you know what their reaction

1560
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:16.279
is or what their take on it is. And because

1561
01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.760
I'm curious too to find out maybe who knows, Maybe

1562
01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:26.039
they had similar experience exactly, but maybe they were shy

1563
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:27.239
or afraid to share it.

1564
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:31.640
Who knows exactly? Interesting, I know it's later where you're at.

1565
01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:34.720
I appreciate you spending your time with me tonight, and

1566
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:35.279
thank you.

1567
01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:39.000
Sure sure, jem I was nice talking to you, and

1568
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:39.840
thank you for having me.

1569
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:41.439
Yes, sir, you have a great night.

1570
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:43.680
Yep you two now, bye bye bye.

1571
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:46.399
Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank

1572
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:50.039
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three encounters from Oakridge, Oregon or the surrounding area. Number

1586
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four any individuals that know about bigfoot being flown off

1587
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have had a bigfoot encounter well in the military. Number six.

1589
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Those that have had a bigfoot encounter in the southern

1590
01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:57.279
New Hampshire or north central Massachusetts area, including Franklin County, Massachusetts.

1591
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Number seven. Individuals that have had a bigfoot incount in

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01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:03.600
a Bible camp or boy Scout camp setting. Number eight

1593
01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:06.039
individuals that have had bigfoot try to enter their house

1594
01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:09.760
forcibly while they were living inside. Number nine individuals that

1595
01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:14.560
have actively have a bigfoot living on their property, and lastly,

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01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:18.520
any sightings that are in the Watchitaw National Forest area

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