My Bigfoot Encounter Happened the Day Before 9/11!

0:00 Welcome to the big Foot Society. In this episode, I welcome back Tim to share more about his Bigfoot encounters in Washington State around the Lake Cushman. If you've experienced something similar have more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same areas, please reach out immediately to me after this episode. If you've had an encounter and like to be on the show, please contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com, and also make sure you check out Patreon dot com forward slash the Bigfoot Society where you can become a member and get extra episodes every single week. Now on with the show all Right, big for Society, we got the privilege of talking to Tim from Washington State. We had talked to him a little bit a few episodes ago. He had called in on our Bigfoot Encounter live show that happens every Saturday night at eight thirty pm Central Standard Time. It is fun talking to him for a few minutes then. But he had contacted me after that and he'd said, Hey, I've got a lot more interesting things to share if you're up for it.

0:57 So Tim, I'm excited that we were able to get this to happen and I'm going to go ahead and give it right over to you, sir. Awesome, Thank you, Jeremi. I love your podcast and I really appreciate you having me on. So a little background, I'm from the Pacific Northwest, have lived here all my life. Have been camping since I was two in the Olympic National Park area Lake Cushman, been backpacking since I was twelve. I've known the mountains really well, and for most of my life I've been skeptical and even dismissive of the the idea of sasquatch being a real thing, because maybe because you know the movies we saw growing up, marrying the Henderson's or you know, it's kind of like it's on the same level as Kremlin's or something something silly like that. And you know the statues.

1:53 We see wooden statues everywhere on the in the small towns around around the mountains, and it's just kind of I kept it as as a silly story, you know, legends, mythology, and so I started having strange experiences. And what's interesting is the first time I've had an experience of something really that sort of knocked that idea off the table was in two thousand and one, and it was actually on and around September eleventh, two thousand and one, a friend and I had decided to go backpacking deep in the Central Cascade Mountains. I'm talking ten miles away from a dirt road, that's ten miles away from a highway, a place called Necklace Valley and Necklace Valley, I mean you can really throw a dart at the middle of the Cascades, and that's where it is. And we left on September tenth, and didn't have cell phones back then, by the way, so we had no contact with the outside world. So me and my friend Jay, we started down this long valley it's the Foss River Valley, and as we're hiking along, we just keep getting hit with this putrid, rotting garbage smell that just suddenly hits and was the weirdest thing because we're looking around. It's beautiful. There's ferns and moss and huckleberries and cedars and hemlocks. It's just a gorgeous, typical Northwest

3:24 Mountain forest scene. And it goes away. It seems to come and go quickly. It's like it's like we enter a cloud of a dumpster stench, and it was just so strange to me that this was happening. And another thing I'll point out is is Jay's six foot four but kind of hunches slouches, and he's got really long arms, and I think at the time he might have even had his long hair. And you know, we would joke that he looks like a sascotch. But that's beside the point. Or maybe it's not beside the point. Maybe maybe they were checking him out, wondering if he was related to them somehow. But so we hike this seven miles of trail along the Foss River, like I said, and we need a break. So we we go down to the river where there's a pool, a nice calm pool and a gravel bar. We take off our packs and we're sitting there and throwing throwing rocks in the water and we do this thing which I still love doing. It's you throw a log or a stick in the in the water, and then you have a little competition to throw rocks at it. See who can hit the log, make it bounce off, skip rocks, stuff like that. And we end up being there for an entire hour throwing rocks into this into this river because it's just we're getting competitive,

4:57 we're having fun, we're laughing. And after about an hour, from the dense brush across the pool from us, comes a rock, i'd say golf ball size rock, straight out from like dense salmon berry salal, little hemlock trees, a really dense brushy spot, and we stop. We look at each other, We say hello, and there's no answer you expect, like it's another hiker or something. We had not seen any other hikers on this day, by the way, it was a Monday. We had the trail to ourselves, so we don't say word. We just grab our backpacks, throw them on, and we book up the trail. And this is the beginning of the stupid climb to Necklace Valley. And you know, it was over twenty years ago. I don't remember all the conversation, but I think I think he might have said, do you think that was a sasquatch?

5:57 You know? And we kind of, oh, I don't know, man. My conclusion was, quote unquote, there's creepy things out in the woods. And I didn't think Harry and Henderson, sasquatch whatever, Patterson Ginley, any of that. I just thought it's it's a creepy thing. Just something creepy out there. So we get to camp and I can't be certain that this happened on the same trip, but we heard this owl call that was it sounded like an eight hundred pound man imitating an owl and coming from ground level in the dark trees as we're kind of walking around at night around camp. So that was another thing that just there's creepy things out here, and then brushing it off and not thinking about it. And what is interesting about this trip is, like I said, we didn't have cell phones.

6:58 The next morning was September eleventh, two thousand and one, and we spent the day hiking around the beautiful Blue Skies, just having a typical backpacking trip. We explored Necklace Valley, which is you know, Opal Lake, Jade Lake, Locket Lake. It's named for its beautiful little multi colored lakes. And at night we got back to camp and we hadn't noticed that there'd been no planes in the air all day and end of the night, but we had noticed how quiet and isolated we felt out there. And it's strange as we're sitting around a little fire and one of the little lakes and Jay said, Wow, we're so far out here. Wouldn't it be crazy if there was some kind of apocalypse that happened when we were out here and we didn't even know about it, And we kind of ha ha ha, you know, yeah, but we were just in awe of the stars and quiet, and we didn't find out about September eleventh until September twelfth, hiking on the way out heard from a from a hiker, So you know, it's just a it's just an interesting coincidence that that I remember my first possible encounter being you know, everybody that was alive then kind of remembers where they were, what they were doing, and I didn't know about it, neither did Jay.

8:31 So that's that's a little a little background on you know, where I was coming from at that time, and and an experience that really shook me in a few different ways. There's a lot of a lot of really interesting things in that. It does sound like its super remote as well. You had mentioned huckleberrys, which is kind of interesting. Oh yeah, they were right, but the time, a lot of huckleberries in that area. Oh, tons, tons. I remember coming back to camp after exploring and and Jay was getting annoyed at me because I kept stopping and grabbing huckleberries and mountain blueberries and just eating them like candy. All right, So yeah, that's that's definitely a food source for all kinds of species around that area. Absolutely, And I'm guessing if you had, if you had seen something like you would have mentioned it. But no, like interesting things on the ground, like large amounts of boughs or or sticks put together, anything like that that you had noticed, you know, I you know, I didn't. I remember seeing things like this, And just like I said, I was so dismissive. I didn't know about this topic at all, and I was just naim, just oh, that's weird. Look there's a teepee thing, but that doesn't look that's too big for someone to make. Did they make it out here? Strange that trees are all in that kind of pattern, you

10:07 know, or big x's or big yeah, broken all kinds of broken limbs, And I just I just overlooked it. And most of my life I've overlooked these things but noticed them so that later on, in the last couple of years, I've got a lot of stories about things I have seen and including the footprints, so we get we'll get to that. I would imagine we're probably close to the same age. I'm guessing maybe forties around there. Yeah, yeah, so I get the significance of how it was there were no planes in the sky, and I'm guessing most of the listeners will, but I do know we do have a few that are probably pretty young, maybe even born after nine to eleven. And and it was so quiet that morning is because you know, when nine to eleven happened. Afterwards, all the planes were grounded and made to return to airports, which would be why he did not notice any planes in the sky at that time. But just it's an interesting, interesting time frame and not to digress too much, but I mean I was I would have been fifteen or sixteen. I remember exactly what I was doing. I was in the cafeteria. So it's crazy.

11:33 But yeah, wild time for sure, but an interesting first foray for you into the kind of the weird world of you know, what's going on here, and definitely continue with what else that you've experienced over the years. Sure later on. I mean I'm skipping away ahead because like I said, when you're so listen, you don't know what to look for. It's really easy to overlook things. So I really didn't notice much out in my hikes and travels and backpacking trips and camping trips until kind of a shocker in July of twenty sixteen a girlfriend at the time, and we drove a dirt road that goes way above Lake Cushman and it borders, like really borders exactly on the line of Olympic National Park. And we decided to camp to camp in this beautiful spot. And it's above the staircase area of Olympic National Park, which we've had we've since heard reports come out of that area. And we're pretty high up overlooking the valley where the Skokomish River and Staircase is located. And we found this just beautiful, beautiful camp spot kind of nestled in some trees over looking the valley. There's there's lush moss, lichens and ferns, and

13:05 it just felt like Heaven. I mean, it's sometimes there's a place and a time on this planet when you just I made it. I made it to Heaven. It doesn't get better than this. So we kind of wandered around. There's only game trails. We followed some game trails to some really giant mossy boulders. There was a pond nestled in these boulders on the top of the cliffs, which is just a really cool thought. I mean, there's here's a water source for animals, here's you know, the watering hole. And so we're just having a wonderful time. We're totally totally solitude. There's no people around. One car passed once it's a weekday again, and drove way far from us. So there was no people, no campers, no cars. Early evening, I start gathering some wood and I go to light a fire, and keep in mind, there's a there's no wind, it's a calm summer evening. And I light the fire and it's kind of a big, you know, billowing smoke comes out. And what happened was this second the smoke billowed over the edge into the valley, a big tree of gose just obviously being pushed over. The second the smoke travels over the

14:43 edge of and I mean, I've never been so startled by something in the forest. And immediately through my head, I'm like, okay, there's no people out here, Okay, okay, what intelligence did that because that was a that was an intelligence that pushed that treeover. It was an intention It was an intentional act. It wasn't a coincidence because again no end. And the second the smoke went over the edge, that big tree crashed down, and I kind of ran over looked around nothing there. Again, I didn't know what to look for. Just this phenomenon happened, and you know, I started talking to my girlfriend like, what is what is that is that?

15:35 Could that be like a sasquatch? My brother would probably think that's a sasquatch And she goes into, yeah, I have friends that say that it's an interdimensional being, and I'm like, what what? Back up a second. I just I'd never heard of any of this this stuff, and especially not the the interdimensional or you know, the kind of supernatural aspects. So I just it just was shocking. We talked about it. We decided, you know what we are sort of we're here in peace, we're peaceful people. We don't bring any any ill intension with us. Let's stay, let's cook our food, let's stay around the fire. And we did. We didn't book it out of there, and nothing else happened that I was aware of that whole time. We just had a wonderful, wonderful time there.

16:34 So about a year later, my mom blessed her heart bought the family a small off grid camping property near Lake Cushman and dal Creek, which is a location now I know is mentioned in bfro to Asquatch Chronicles, a Flash of Duty. Theodore Roosevelt used to stay at a lodge at Lake Cushman, and you know about his connection. If you don't, he's he's got some stories connected to sasquatch which are fascinating. So yeah, so we got this property that we use for camping, and it's it's just it's a patch of dirt with trees and and it borders this very wild forested ravine that's a green belt, that's an unbroken chain of wilderness that goes all the way up into Olympic National Park. So animals can travel straight through the whole park right into our property if they want to, which we've seen bobcats multiple times, multiple times, my brother saw cougars. There's there's bear scat, there's we hear coyotes all the time. There's just wild things. Deer come right up into the lot and raccoons, and it's just a beautiful little magical place that we that we share. And again, I had not been studying anything in regards to sasquatch until fairly recently. And I had this funny little story about we have

18:07 a little dog, or my mom has a little dog that she named Yedti. And what's funny is he's like a little white dog that kind of stands up on two feet a lot, So she named him Yetti. And one time we're camping with the whole family there it's my mom's birthday, and Mom and Yetti are sitting in the hammock. And the hammock is right on the edge of the woods. It's right where the dark forested ravine. We hear animals a lot, it's right there, and my mom we're all kind of chatting around the fire and my mom says, you guys, something just crawled from the trees. And Yetti growled back, and she told me it wasn't any kind of growl she's ever heard. It had a really low register that didn't sound like a bear accouter or any animal. And this isn't a point where we are still laughing about this stuff and joking about it, and so everyone brushed it off. And then and then's some interesting things started happening.

19:12 We started hearing howls and even these these deep, faraway roaring sounds, and they're long, deep roars that sound like, you know, a cross between an elephant and a lion, and it's weird just to be, you know, sitting around camp. And then suddenly you hear this roar way off. And every time it happens, there's these dogs. People have dogs, and the dogs go berserque. They just lose their marbles and the roars are kind of followed by strange howls. We've heard this siren howl, which my girlfriend thought was a siren starting up, and you can look that up. I'm not going to try to repeat what it sounds like, but the sirenhow is really alarming because there's not an animal that does that. So so a couple of years later, you know, we're just enjoying the place. Twenty twenty two, my lady and I we go hiking that staircase, which you know, it's not far from where we're camping. We go there all the time, from our property to staircase, and it's an ancient forest along the Snowcalmish River Valley. The trees are as big as houses, literally, just humongous ancient cedars, ancient hemlocks, spruce for gorgeous, gorgeous valley. And it's a beautiful day. We're doing a little hike along and we want to look

20:48 for a little picnic spot. So I start kind of going off trail, and I don't recommend doing this at Olympic National Park because of what happened. So we wander up a little game trail about one hundred yards off the trail and we come to this just beautiful little glen and it's got grass growing and little little trees, and it's surrounded by fallen trees. And we lay had a picnic blanket, and it's a hot day and we lay down and we take our clothes off, and we're just feeling totally wild, sort of connected to the environment and at the same time so vulnerable. And that's one another crash breaks the silence, this big crash, probably thirty yards away from us.

21:47 And if you've ever been in a wilder this place without clothes on and you hear a big crash, it was very, very startling. I've never and that startled. I jumped up, I jump on a log and I look and from the direction and no, there's nothing. There's nothing. Now I can assume from what I've learned that this is common behavior with sasquatch. And what I'm assuming to do is they get down on their bellies a lot. I think they're on all fours a lot more than we think. I think that they're down behind ferns and salaal. And it's I think that's a common behavior because I didn't see anything, and it happened thirty yards away, and I would have seen something, you know, running off, if it was an elk or whatever it was. But we start gathering our things, getting our clothes back on, and we look around and we're like, look at this little place where in this little nook has animal signs everywhere. Every tree has scratches and rubs on it. We're seeing scat from deer, elk, coyote, bear, cougar, I mean, everything that can scat.

23:06 Scat's there. And we were like, this is this is their living room. This is where the animals live, and who knows what had just been in there and what had made that noise? Was asking us to kindly exit, which we did, and we left a few apples and salmon kind of as a as an offering or a or a thank you. So there was that experience and then the other the other experiences I have actually at the property itself. But yeah, if you have any questions about the Olympic National Park opening to that man, I cannot imagine being in that situation. Wow, yeah, that could have gotten that could have gotten away. Wateus was So if you had to, if you had to estimate how big of a tree got pushed over, what would you What would you say, Let's say fourteen inches around, probably one of the one of the snags, one of the standing dead trees that are common around there. It was loud and it had fallen. It sounded like it had fallen in the direction of downhill, and so it made a really big crash. You know, there's more gravity, more momentum, But you weren't able to see the act like you probably weren't

24:38 able to see if it was pushed towards you guys or away from you guys. It sounds like you just you just heard it get pushed, right, Yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty steep, steep landscape and dense, and you know, I got the message and I didn't go snoop around I The message both of those times was very clear, you know, be aware, would be very aware. Oh, I agree. I mean I have experienced that once in Iowa, and I was very new. It was my first time out, and it's like, I freaked out. I thought, I was like, why are there fireworks being set off? I mean, it's just it's that loud. And I'm guessing yours was a way bigger tree too.

25:27 Yeah, it was, well, it was a big tree. It was an experience, a very shocking experience. How did your girlfriend react to the tree being pushed over? Well, kind of, It's strange. Both times we're kind of like, well, we come in peace, We're going to quietly go in peace. Not a lot of story around it. At the time. I hadn't yet looked into this really, but these experiences were the thing that that set me to look into the phenomenon and really dive deep and and you know, start start, you know, cutting away at some of the skepticism that I have. So, yeah, absolutely, What other sounds did you hear in the part of the forest you were in? Yeah, wood knocks, and Okay, it's just I mean, it was just something I thought, Oh, that's just the sound that the woods makes, you know. I really just a baseball bat against a tree at the time.

26:30 I just thought, oh, that's just some things in the woods. Naive, naive me, just so, yeah, there's stuff out here. So you were hearing wood knocks when you were in that glen far away? Okay, wow? And then little pops too, you know, little little pops, yeah, which we we heard at the at the property journey with this next round, do you remember the knox that you would hear? Was there a pattern to them? Were there are multiples, single anything weird like that? No? One one and then a pause and then minutes later another so very interesting. Probably a very good idea to leave the apple and the salmon as a gift as well. Yeah, we felt it. We felt it strongly. I mean, there there was a there was a presence that you know, if I was more of a supernatural minded person, I would say that there were spirits in this little glen. But I don't know if we've just kind of felt the energy left over of the animals that just left because it was it's a perfect little spot for them to eat the grass and do their rubbings of their antlers and all of that, and and it's heavy.

27:52 It was a heavy, dense, energetic feeling that we had, and so it was just like, let's back out, let's leave an offering end up being just really a magical experience. We felt like we we stepped into another realm, another reality that that was palpable, helpably different than do do going down the trail. Right, Yeah, that's that's interesting. Man. I don't know how I would have handled that one, but it sounds like you handled it, okay, So yeah, let's let's continue. It sounds like you've you're about to share about some things that were happening on the actual property. Yeah, this this brings it on home. So I had over the last year year and a half, I've been having a lot of conversations with my brother, who's who's been a lot more open minded about the phenomenon of sasquatch, and he's literally changed my mind because you know, I'm sorry to my brother for being so dismiss it for so long, because once I started studying and looking into it myself, I'm like, oh my god, this this makes sense, it's not don't. Not only does it make sense and also kind of doesn't make sense, which blows my mind. But I've been around they've been around me, and I've overlooked a lot of things.

29:23 So so the next the next big event actually happened last fourth of July, and we wanted to get out of town. Me and my lady wanted to get out of town for Fourth of July. So it's just like, well, let's go the property, let's camp. We don't need fireworks. Fireworks are banned in the area. We don't need, you know, rowdy neighbors. Let's just go and camp and be in the quiet. And it was one of the best decisions we could have made because as as dusk is falling, we've got the beautiful fire go where we're cooking oysters over the fire.

30:03 We're drinking amouretto. We're listening to like soul music, which I highly recommend camping, like Stevie Wonder and Marvin Day and Bill Withers, and we're singing along and kind of just dancing and off in the distance about six miles we're in the foothills of the of the Olympics, but about six miles away its Hood Canal and on the Puget Sound, and in Hood Canal on the fourth of July, they did not one, but two big fireworks shows. So although we're in an area where there's no fireworks, there's two big shows going off about six miles downhill. So we start hearing occasionally pause the music, and we start hearing all kinds of wildlife all around us in every direction.

30:57 And I think we're the only ones camping in this vicinity, but we're hearing wildlife. We're hearing coyotes and coyotes yipping and like they'd just gotten a kill, you know, and they yip yip yip and howl, and we hearing the owls. Then we start hearing other large things down in the ravine behind us. I know that I heard several wood knocks, twigs breaking, popping, noises, crunch crunch, crunch, footsteps just happening all over, and then the howls. The howls as well. And I'll get to this one really bizarre sing song melodic howl that we heard. I tried to record it and I couldn't get to it in time. But at one point, we're just having a good time. Like I said, We're just intrigued. We're like kids, just excited about the woods and how lie that is. I mean, it was just it was a revelation. Because you go camping, you know, you go to a spot and you don't get surrounded by animals.

32:09 They typically flee an area. But we're getting surrounded. And at one point, I'm just in the right kind of mood. I'm cracking open oysters and I'm standing next to the fire and they pine cone comes flying from horizontally and hits me in the back, and I went, oh, okay, I guess this is happening now Again, pine cones don't fly at you horizontally. If they fall out of a tree, they come straight down or maybe at an angle down. But this came actually from from the dense brush that's a little bit sloped down from our camp. And I look down another one is right at my feet like it had just been tossed. And these are little fur cones, they're not actually pine pine cones. But at that point I just kind of went, okay, mm hmm, this is what's happening.

33:13 We are obviously the entertainment of this area, because we got again the oysters cooking you know, we're laughing, we're having a good time, we're singing along for this music. And so my thought is, you know, this fireworks show, it pushed elk, deer, rabbits, everything, everything that's an animal get scared of these fireworks. So they're coming up up the foothills and into our little valley, our little creek valley, which is you know, near Dow Creek, and just an awesome experience. And in my head, you know, I'm just tipsy enough to go, yeah, cool, there's like little juvenile sasquatch are finding us entertaining, entertaining while they're you know, hunting all the raccoons and whatever else they're feasting on tonight. So it was it was a cool experience. I really wasn't scared because the lady I'm with is so so cool. We just we just don't we haven't been actually frightened by by this presence. We figure, you know, we're doing something that's enjoyable to see and smell and hopefully not taste. But that night, you know, I I hear this weird, this weird sing song how from about again about one hundred feet from camp in the woods, and I'm going to try to remember how it went, but it was like a song.

34:45 It was like and I don't know what animal doest had. It was a little bit longer and longer and drawn out than that, but I'm like, welcome, what was that? And I hit pause on the music and I wait, and a couple seconds later and it's closer. It's closer. It's about fifty yards or fifty feet or you know, it feels like it's closer than the first sing song howl. So that was just incredible. If anybody knows what animal that could be, I'm not going to say, hey, that was a sasquatch, but you know, it makes sense that it would be the same thing that through a pine cone at tim. So So that was that was the experience last year that has sort of continued every time we go out there to go camping. It's it's it's it's these strange noises we hear. And because again I was kind of, you know, still skeptical studying the subject, but like, I don't want to jump to conclusions because that's not science to jump to conclusions. But it's not scientific to ignore data either and not to and to not you know, examine data. So

36:21 the next morning after the fourth of July, it July fifth, we're cooking breakfasts and we hear this rar and we look at each other and the rar is. It sounds like me about half a mile away, but it's so loud that it's echoing in the valley. And this is up Dow Creek. Again, people can look into Dow Creek. It's it's multiple accounts of it. But the RAR was amazing. Again, we're not totally conclusive about what it is, but things are starting to stack up and make sense. We did a little track up Dow Creek well down it actually following game trails, just just for fun and to just enjoy the experience of exploring. And this is the next morning after wild fourth of July, and we see fresh piles of bear scat, I mean the black the piles, you know what it looks like. We're seeing elk and deer, the little you know, cocoa puffs or whatever. And then we come across what I didn't know at the time, but now I know. It's the description of sasquatch do do and it has kind of the consistency of a human scat, but it's the thickness of a coke can. I went, what what left that? And it's

37:55 clearly not not a bear because we've seen the bear recently, and it's it's black, it's full of seeds, it's they've eaten a lot of berries and and it's it's just like a black mount and this is this is a coke can. And I I'm actually able to poke a stick into it and picked it up and it was that firm it was staying on the stick. Sorry if this is like a you know, not not table manner description of this stuff, but but I'm I'm just I'm not looking at the at the science of it, and it's it's really interesting that same track trek into that that little valley, the little Dow Creek area. We well, first she heard a crash and then a splash, and then I looked over and going up this log was a small, uh brownish gray m hm, quadruped animal which I'm just gonna assume was a bobcat. And it was really cool experience.

39:01 It wasn't you know, it wasn't like like a sasquatch per se, but but a bobcat's a pretty cool thing to see when you're in the middle of the woods and you know, not far from from where you're camping, So so that kind of that kind of leads to what happened last month. But if you have any questions about it, I do have a few, a few questions about fourth of July. Definitely, what were you guys cooking for breakfast on the fifth? Do you remember, let's see, kind of greens and eggs and probably some black beans kind of a maybe maybe it could have been one of my famous my famous case ideas as well. Okay, cool, cool, cool. You mentioned that you you'd picked up the scat.

39:47 Did you notice anything out of the ordinary about Sometimes, you know, their animal scat, you can see different things that will lead you believe they had eaten this or eaten that. Did you notice anything details like that when you Yeah, yeah, bones and hair, bones and hair, hair. Okay, yeah, it looked like ours, but with bones and hair in it. And probably I didn't dissect it, you know, I wasn't in that kind of mood. It might have been seeds in it as well, but yeah, bones and hair and thick as a coke can, like I said, or a soup can, which is odd. I know you said you didn't dissect it. But could you notice anything about the bones or just you you could notice, Hey, it looks like maybe I see a little bit of something that looks like a bone in there, just crunched up, crunched up bones, small bones. You know. If I was to jump to conclusions, I'd say it was, you know, something to eat in a raccoon or at a small mammal. Yeah. Wow, that's that's a new one for me. That's that is wild. But I mean it makes sense for sure that Yeah, I just think you're the first person I've talked to that's actually been able to you know, pick pick, just pick it up

41:22 and check it out. So that's off to you. Was I mean, we're already there, so we'll just keep going. Was there a interesting smell to it at all? I didn't. I didn't examine it that far. The forest was just so fragrant at that time, because you know, it's July, it's it's a warm day, and this is a dense kind of rainforest creek valley, and so the fragrances of the soil and the moss and everything was just kind of wafting up into the air. It's really a lovely lovely place. Gotcha, so you you said, and you kind of alluded to it. So every time you guys go to this this property you have, you're experiencing these weird sounds or something similar. It sounds like, yeah, definitely, And and what's what's what's interesting is, you know, not everything sets off the dogs, but there's these dogs that when they hear these these howls, they just go berserk, like uncontrollable barking, reactive, not not just like territorial dogs, but dogs that are that are flipping out.

42:36 So you know, that's that's pretty pretty noticeable thing there the the melodic you'd said, a melodic howl, I have. I have heard reference to something similar to like like that, and like two other reports, and they've been from the Pacific Northwest. I think one was more by let's say, east of Portland that area, and I guess the other one might might have been even more by Mount Rainier, So you're not not the first one that that kind of has described it like that. It's it's very interesting. Yeah, and we're the only ones playing music in that area. I kind of wonder if they were kind of this is jump into a conclusion, but I wonder if they're reacting to music like they're hearing they're hearing a song, they're hearing Marvin Gay, you know. And then it's like, well, I want to I want to sing too, I want to try to make that sound mimic that you know that music well exactly. And you know, there have been people that have reported other sounds in the woods that should not be there that kind of lead to perhas Phapster's other mimicry going on. For example, they say, hey, I hear a zipper being unzipped, Well, there's no zippers around here. Or hear a metallic car door being slammed. There's

44:10 no car doors or cars where I'm at out here in the woods. That doesn't make sense. So I don't think it's out of the question to maybe go down that trail of thought that you were thinking, But it's it's interesting to think about. For sure. Something I might recommend if you're up for it, is you know you can you can pick up a a audio recorder for not that much maybe, like I mean, you could probably get one for around like seventy eighty probably even less. But what the Olympic Project recommends to do is to have that sound recorder going with you even as you are getting out of your car at the property, because a lot of times what they will do is they will catch these almost alert, not when they get to their property, like the Sasquatch, you're telling the other ones, okay, they're here now, And a lot of the sounds they get sometimes are when they actually just drive and you know, they catch them as they're leaving their cars. So that might be something interesting to look into if you're game for it. So for sure, Yeah, I'll see if my brother's into that too, because he's he's the one that's been studying this a lot longer than me anyway. Yeah, yeah, it could be could be really cool, And I would definitely send you audio samples if we find anything, get to record anything. Absolutely, and and so even even after all this,

45:43 you are still having other things that are going on. Correct, Yes, the confirmation that we got last month, would you like me to go in about it asolutely? Yeah? Absolutely, Okay, So I can't remember which day it was, but it was it was a weekday last month, and again just hey, we got an opportunity to go go up for a couple nights in camp and there's just me and my lady, and we did the typical thing. Packed everything, brought, brought a bunch of good firewood, unloaded the firewood. Oh wait, wait, back up a second. Didn't know there'd be four to five inches of snow on the ground at the property and all the forest around us. Basically the roads were clear, but we had inches of snow all over anywhere that's not a road. And that was a fun surprise because we hadn't been there before and seen what it even looks like with the snow on the ground. We got an outdoor kitchen and a little outdoor wash station in the fire pit and the hammock and everything just was covered in snow and it was really special and unique. And we unload, we have a snack, We kind of get situated, and I thought, you know what, let's let's go down in the ravine and see what's been walking around down there. So I know we're going to find something because there's

47:14 game trails down there. And I'll note very firstly that we didn't see any human tracks, any boot tracks, any you know, bicycle tires, anything human. We didn't see evidence of that had been down in this valley since it snowed. So we we go down this steep incline and we get to the first game trail and there's tracks. There are tracks of everything, and they're dense. They're dense tracks. We immediately see the deer, because the deer had even been around us, you know. Later on that day, we're seeing bear prints, which you know, I kind of know how to how to measure that with my hands. Bobcat, possible, Bobcat again.

48:02 They look like cat prints, but a little bigger. And then we start seeing these other prints that look like human fists, like big human fists. And I'm like, okay, let's let's follow these fur ways. And we follow them and it looks like something human like that's on all fours and maybe jogging through the snow. And we go in little ways and we go off. It starts going off into some some denser brush, some devil's club which don't ever touch this stuff. It's really painful and you know, old ferns and it's just a it's a it's a like a rainforest environment, but imagine it covered in snow. And we finally get to a big footprint, literally a big footprint, and it's shaped like a human foot, but it is about fifteen inches long, and I go, oh, look at this, Look at this, Look at this, and I bring her over and we're looking at it, and I go, this can only be one thing, and I look a little closer, and inside this big fifteen inch print is about a nine inch smaller footprint, and it's clearly human, like the way

49:35 that there's a big toe, and then it descends to the smaller toes, you know, at an angle, and then you've got the ball of the foot, and then you've got the heel is a perfectly round, symmetrical heel, and in between the ball and the heel is this hourglass shape where now I know it's it's the called the mid tarsal break, and it's a joint, I guess that's the best way to describe it. Is a joint mid foot. So the foot is sort of like ours, but also sort of like an orangutane. It's got that joint for you know, Orangutans use it for transportation, climbing, whatever. And I'm like, the more I'm looking at, the more it's getting clear to me, like this is definitely a sasquatch. Two sasquatch tracks, and I'm calling it the Mother and Child Prince because it's it's just so cute too not cute, but it's it looks like a story is being told where the child is stepping into the mom's footprints.

50:47 There's just something really amazing. I can't put to words about finding this and knowing that, yes, what we've been hearing, what we've been it's experiencing is real, and it's there. It's not always there, but maybe it migrates, maybe they migrate through there. So that was confirmation for me. And the real confirmation was not just seeing it, not just photographing it, but put in my hand, touching the print, feeling the contours of it, and knowing that that's not there's no way that's a bear, there's no way that's any other mammal, and there's no way it's a human because there's no bootprints anywhere around. The people around there are you know, there's a few homes nearby, and you know they they're not out in the woods.

51:49 A lot of couple of retired people probably you know, just kind of live a quiet life in their home and they don't go out into these forested ravines. I don't think people typically do around there, but we did, and we found that evidence and there's no not a shred of doubt in my mind about what that it was what it was, and getting that confirmation helped me to backtrack to previous experiences and go, Okay, yeah, that's what that was, that's what that was, that's what that was. And of course i'm you know, I keep an edge of skepticism because that's healthy and that's scientific. But they're real. I don't have a doubt that there's something real that can leave a footprint, leave multiple footprints like that, and and so that's where I'm at now. I'll add this what's really exciting about it.

52:50 What was so exciting at the moment to me was it was one week later after hearing a first hand account from from a friend of my my girlfriend, and we went over to this lady's house and I'll call this couple just to kind of keep their identity, you know, on the down low, and their account, if I can go into that, was that she told me they were up above Rosalind, Washington and going down a dirt road in the middle of nowhere near the Salmon the Sack area, which I've camped in many times. And there's three people in the car and they all three looked over into the woodline and saw a ratty mangy, nine foot tall humanoid thing with giant arms swinging. I mean she described it, and this woman is just like you would she would never they would never make this up. So that was a week a week before we found the prince. So it was a really potent and interesting experience to have confirmation for myself after, you know, after talking to a witness and their story is interesting. They all three saw it. All three were shocked, and they didn't talk for about fifteen minutes

54:22 going down the dirt road and imagine fifteen minutes in silence, and then the lady in the backseat said, did you guys see what I saw? So this is a really cool story. Maybe I can get them in touch with you and be on the podcast. But yeah, so that's just to kind of wrap it up for my experience so far at our property. So first off, feel more than free to pass on my info to anyone that you see fit that would be a good fit. Great about the tracks. So when I was listening to your your story again, I was thinking, did you get were you able to measure out or do you remember how far the tracks were away from each other, maybe anything to do with a gate or anything like that. Yeah, if I was, If I was, if I brought a tape or you know, something to measure The problem is because I'm not jumping to conclusions about the other tracks. I'm not. I'm not certain that it's that it's a sasquatch, but I do think that they were on all fours, knuckles on the ground, and maybe maybe following a deer, and then occasionally standing up and standing and then going back to all fours.

55:52 That's that's what I'm assuming, because of the way that a lot of it was messy, and then amongst the messiness, UK see this perfect humanoid track in the snow. And so I got photos of two really good ones and then four or five messy ones, and then what what what we might even assume is a it's like a butt print where one of them sat down. So that's interesting because it's yeah, it looks like a person sat their butt right down on the snow. All right, Well, we can go there too, So what would you say would be the dimensions of what you saw there? Roughly probably twenty inches by ten inches or something like that.

56:47 We know there's a small one there. I mean there's a smaller one and a large one, so you know, and that's just what I'm assuming based on I can definitely say there's a large adult and a small child or juvenile or you know, whatever you want to call it. So there might be there might have been more. Oh boy. We stopped following the tracks as they went into like some denser brush because it just was like, okay, uh, it's it's it's solemnly quiet in this valley. We're the only we're the only people down here. Nobody knows we're down here. We have now seen evidence that sasquatch has been here at the minimum, the minimum of four days within this happening. I mean, that's when the snow was happening.

57:42 So let's go ahead and enjoy what we just experienced and make our way back to camp. Absolutely. And of course, of course, later that night, you know, I hear twigs breaking, and it's like, have you started asking around to see if you can talk to any other people that have had sightings or weird things happening around the Dow Creek or lake Cushman area yourself. That's the next that's the next step for me next time I go out there. There is a small country store. It's kind of the hitching post where people can kind of catch up and meet and things like that. There's a really great guy that owns owns the store and makes great sandwiches. By the way, my brothers talked to him a little bit. My brothers talked to some people outside of the store. You know. It's just kind of that country store dynamic where an old man sitting out there smoking a pipe and so yeah, I'll pursue that because I have photos, and having the photos is just it's it's so much better than going up to someone and saying, hey, I heard a sasquatch last night. It's like, no, hey, look at this photo I took. Yeah, exactly, when you can start to show some evidence or you know, if you get audio evidence in the future, you can play that. I mean, yeah, it does.

59:13 It does give a lot of credence to it. But sometimes you even have to you know, you say, hey, in this area, have you ever heard anything that kind of sounds like a melodic owl or I mean, you'd be surprised even stuff like that that can set people off as well. But I think you're on the right track. Talking to that gentleman who owns that like small country store. That's where all the info is going to be for sure, Right, Yeah, it's about to get exciting, Jeremiah. I feel like this year, now that I know you're out there, now that I know what to look for, it's going to be really exciting.

59:53 My girlfriend I decided we're definitely doing again, and it happened the exact same way. There might be another fireworks show down the hill and the canal, and it might push the wildlife back. And you know who knows if they kind of have a clock, an internal clock like birds with migration. You know who knows if sasquatch they know, they know patterns, they follow patterns. I would assume they do follow time patterns. And if we're out there and fourth of July and we do the exact same thing, play some Marvin kay Cook oysters right here, dance around, it's saying we could have another interesting holiday. Oh man, Yeah, I have. I have a feeling things if you keep pursuing it, things will keep going. But I mean, Tim, thank you so much for reaching out Sometimes people, well, I guess how about this, Is there a way that you want people to contact you? Or sometimes witnesses will be like, you know what, I'm fine just being Tim, And you can send an email to Jeremiah and if you know, you can always send it on or something like that.

1:01:09 I'll probably take that second option. Yeah, yeah, i'd say that's a good idea. Yeah, yeah, it's I'm not going to be specific about where a property is either, because exactly, you know, the worst thing, the worst thing would be people out there with you know, an amplifying system howls and roars into the woods. It's a quiet it's such a quiet place. It's far off from any highways. It's it's miles down a quiet road. It's not on any airplane paths. So it's like the quietest sleep you'll ever get until you hear some mysterious in the woods. Absolutely well, Tim, I appreciate you coming on the podcast and reaching out to me, and please feel free to reach out at any future time if you have other things to update us with. But thank you for coming on. Great, Thank thanks so much for having me. I know my my accounts are kind of different, and you know, I can. I can kind of just piece evidence together with these strange accounts, but I appreciate you having me on and hearing me out. It's been really fun. I just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're

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