July 22, 2026

Oklahoma Bigfoot Pursued Hunters in the Arbuckle Mountains

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Season 1

A childhood story told around the family turns into a lifelong mystery as one listener shares an incredible account from Oklahoma's Arbuckle Mountains. Long before Bigfoot became part of popular culture, two experienced hunters found themselves being followed through dense briar patches by a towering unknown figure after their hounds suddenly fled in fear.


This episode also features chilling encounters from Beckley, West Virginia, where powerful vocalizations, overwhelming odors, and unexplained activity left one witness convinced multiple Sasquatch were surrounding her group. A Missouri caller describes tree knocks, mysterious grunts, and the now-famous greenhouse property, while another witness recalls seeing a massive reddish-brown Bigfoot sprinting alongside her vehicle near Charleston, West Virginia. You'll also hear a recent report from Tennessee's Cumberland Plateau involving a freshly toppled tree under calm weather conditions.


These firsthand accounts span generations and regions across North America, offering a fascinating look at the places where witnesses continue to report encounters with something that refuses to be explained.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the.

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Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us.

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Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his

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fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,

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please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.

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Thank you, hey, Laura, how are you his in one there?

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Yes, I'm here.

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How are you good? How are you doing?

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Yeah?

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Look great?

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Wow?

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Thank you? Hot today? But then we had some cloud covered, so.

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I bet it's hot, so I had an encounter. Feel

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free to share what you're experience.

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Okay, and I'm sorry about the lag in Rudoso. It's

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seventy miles away from Roswell, where I'm from. The mountains

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aren't thick mountains like other places. I went to West Virginia.

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After we would go we would go to Rudoso every year,

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and so we would scout those woods. I never heard

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or saw anything weird, while the horses was the most

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that we saw. Didn't hear anything. And then I go

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to West Virginia. The woods there, that's a forest. That's

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those are woods. There's you can't see past five feet

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if if the sun is not out, it gets dark

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because there's a canopy and all it. I mean, it's

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just completely different. And what I didn't really see them,

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but I could smell it. I could feel it.

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And then I heard them, three of them.

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Now I'm the only one out of eight of us

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walking through the you know, the dense forest that even

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they kept saying, why are you what's wrong?

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Why do you keep shopping?

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And I'm like, do you not smell that? Nobody smells that?

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Like they're like they always thought it was weird. Anyway,

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I hear them, and and there's no way a dog

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or a human could have made this sound.

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These sounds.

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You felt them in your bones, you felt them in

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your teeth when they were like communicating with each other

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kind of like it was. It was almost like a

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triangulation if you listened to where one was and then

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speaking to the other. I mean, they were having a

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conversation about us, and then the tone changed. When I

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looked at it, I thought I saw something move, So

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I look and again it's hard to seeing those things

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because they're so thick, but I did. I was hyper

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aware at that point, and I looked because I was

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looking everywhere. Well, I thought, you know what, there's one

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place I haven't looked up and behined. So I did,

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and sure enough, the whole tone of theirs changed, like

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there's a bunch of them they don't see us, but

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this one does.

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I just felt that in my my my being.

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But the sound they made was so loud and so

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it was like it was like you know, their their call.

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You've heard it like layered, like like there was more

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than one voice, only one, only one being. But the

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voice was so deep and so guttural, and you felt

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it in your bones. And there's and I mean he

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made a sound or she a sound for forty five

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seconds and it never wavered, and it shook trees even.

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I mean, it was just crazy. I don't know how

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close they were to us. But I could feel them

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before before I could, I smelled them, and then I

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felt them the way before I even saw them, and

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it scared the heck.

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Adem Yes, yes.

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And when I say how, I don't mean like how

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like a dog? How, I mean likely this guttural.

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I can't.

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I don't think a human can even produce that sound.

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I don't know of anything that could produce that sound

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except a subsquatch. Then Washington, I heard them too. I'm

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telling you you can't.

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You cannot.

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You cannot make that sound because you feel it in

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your whole body, you feel it in your being. They're supernatural,

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for sure. For sure that will disappeared. That can do that,

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It will.

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What What did it smell like? Mmm?

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Rotting death and meat just rotten like they like it

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hadn't bathed when it had stuff, stuff, get its teeth like.

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I don't know. It's something you just will never ever forget.

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I've worked in hospitals, I've smell that kind of death.

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This is completely different, But that is nothing compared to

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how you feel. Every My face was had goosebumps on it.

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My hair must have been sticking up from the goosebumps.

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And I don't get goosebumps, you know. I get him

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for emotional things. I don't get him from supernatural things.

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Nothing scares me. I've been around it all. Nothing scares

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me anymore. That scared me. And I had heard in

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the Appalachians even that if the closer they sound, the

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further away they are. But the further away they sound,

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the closer they really are.

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To you.

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Now, the way the guy that or the way that one.

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Of them and all of them made that sound row,

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I'm telling you that scared me more than and they

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were just communicating. I figured out they're just communicating. But

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oh man, I wanted to run.

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Can you share the general area of West Virginia that happened?

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Then, yes, sir. We were in Bickley, Westford Jr.

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And we just went to the wood because of woods

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are everywhere around the houses, and we just went maybe

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a mile away from the houses into the woods.

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We didn't do it again, I promise you, at least

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I didn't.

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And then then they decided they were like, okay, let's

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tell our mom and dad, let's tell everybody to you know,

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to all the parents, and see what happens.

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So they just laughed like, yeah, you know whatever. Then

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I decided, ah, I was mad. I walked out, where'd

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they go?

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Right to the woods and I look over and I

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just see this. I'm chelling you. The woods are weird there.

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What a What year was that again?

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I'm gonna say I think it was the centennial, like

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seventy six, seventy seven, maybe seventy eight.

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Oh wow, Okay.

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When did Urban Cowboy come out that year? I think

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that was seventy eight eighty somewhere around there. I was

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a kid. I was a kid. I'm almost sixty down.

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Cool cool, cool, And have you experienced anything else since then?

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Yes, as a matter of fact, because we did go

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into the woods again and they convinced me. And that

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time I saw a dog man and they did not

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see it again.

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They didn't feel it. They didn't see it. They didn't

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not they didn't smell it nothing. I thought, you're there back, we're.

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Going into their territory and they're gonna be mad this time,

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they're gonna get us.

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No, no, no, let go over. And there's nine foot dog man.

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Just it didn't look like a werewolf like like I'd

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seen movies. I didn't that to me, it said dog man,

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and it looked it cracked its head like you see me. Yeah,

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I freaking see. Although my cousins and my brothers and

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sisters once again did.

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Not same area.

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It was the same area, which just confused.

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It confused me as a child, but it really confuses

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me now because I've never heard anyone say anything like this,

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and I'm not making it up.

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M hmm. Absolutely, I've heard that.

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I know a few areas where they kind of live

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close to each other but they keep separate.

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That's really interesting.

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Looking back, it's kind of cool.

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But man, at the time, I think I didn't sleep

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with the light off or uh probably well and telling

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due as a teenager, and I thought, I can't. I

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can't act like this anymore. They're not gonna come get me.

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I just know.

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I just have this feeling that if I went back there,

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they know me by my scent and say, hey, she's back,

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she saw us, she knows like you know what I mean?

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Is that good? Is that bad?

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Am?

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I tell anybody?

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Are they gonna kill me? Are they gonna say, hey,

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come see us and we'll tell you about how you

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know what I mean? Like the brain goes so many

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ways when when you're that and nothing scares me, nothing,

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but that scared me. And they could disappear, Well, that

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scared me because that dog man just anticipated.

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Oh you saw it just disappear, disappear.

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I've never seen. I thought there was m going on.

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I was like, what in the.

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World again, though I'm like ten eleven and I was smart.

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I was smart ten year old, but it scared me

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to the core. Scares me to talk about it, like

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they'll find me.

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Have you heard of other people having experiences like that

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in the same area.

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By Beckley's especially, Yes, sir, I have really my cousins.

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They're kind of asleep and in the matrix so they

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don't really notice things. But a couple of them that

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had friends that were like me and said, no, they're there.

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But I don't think they want to hear us.

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They want to the isn't there a new national park

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around there?

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Believe there is?

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And that confused because these people know when and they

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lived there, but they know they freaking know, So what

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are they doing?

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Like you want people to see them?

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Do you want people to be taken away? I mean,

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what their tactics not working? Otherwise to kill us?

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All.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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You set up something like that.

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Wow, yeah, New River goes.

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It's way too close, brother, way too close.

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Mm hmm.

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Well, Alaura, I thank you for coming up and sharing

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your experiences. I hope that you are at a place

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where you're able to. Can you go in the woods

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now or do you keep away from the woods after that?

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Yeah?

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I will go, I will go, and yeah, I will

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go in the root woods. There are so woodsy there.

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I can see, you know, a mile in front of me.

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Thank you, thank you very much.

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A good one.

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That's wild. Just another example of cryptodactivity in an area

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that gets a National park. Putting it makes you wonder, right,

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makes you wonder?

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Hi, Daniel, Hey, Jeremiah, how are you?

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Hey?

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Good?

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So I am trying to got to figure out the

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cool way to do this. Let's let's see if I

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could have you say maybe a few words about the

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weather or something, and let's see if people can hear you.

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Thanks for calling in.

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Yeah absolutely, it's it's really hot and muggy in Surrey

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right now.

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Okay, so let's see if anyone heard that there's a

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little delay. Yeah, dude, the Midwest is going to be

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rough in starting Sunday, Holy mackerel.

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I mean what it's supposed to get up to, like

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one ten heat index?

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Yeah, yeah, it should be a good time.

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Yeah, absolutely, dude, I think I think we kind of

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figure this out. I was kind of going off of

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mysteries unknown and how he does it, and it looks

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like this is going to work. Did you just just

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curious did you have any bigfoot activity down there? Or

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just given a call in because I asked? Actually both,

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I guess really awesome. Yeah, feel free to share what

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you're what you got going on there?

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Yeah, so I live. You mentioned the Sasquatch three guys,

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and I haven't. I haven't met them, but I know

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several people who have him pretty close with some people

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that do some nearby uh some nearby stuff. Maybe you've

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heard of the guy with the greenhouses.

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Yes, I've I've heard. Yeah, I've actually Oh who did

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I talk to?

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Man?

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This is a while back, but I've heard that story. Yeah,

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are you involved with that guy?

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Uh? Yeah, you probably heard from maybe Mike.

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Scott, Yes that was the guy. Yep.

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Yeah, yeah, so I uh yeah, I know, I know

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those guys very well, and uh they actually had Uh

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they brought me uh full circle from from kind of

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not even not even understanding that how how such a

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thing could be possible, let alone let alone real I was.

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I was running like a small store just a few

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talents north.

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Of that, and uh and they had just come up

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to visit.

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Me and hang out for a while. And at the time,

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high strangeness for me was just it was just fun.

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You know. I didn't really even I didn't really think

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I could I could believe in in paranormal things. Really

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I never you know, not really that I to my

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to my knowledge had experienced with it. So they can

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ut to visit me, and we were just hanging out

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and talking and uh they started they started telling me

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about this this strange activity uh nearby, well not nearby,

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but at their at their place. And I thought at

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first they were just messing with me. I thought they

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were just either they're great people, they're they're they're funny

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to me. Uh, they definitely would play a joke on

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me for fun, you know it. But after a while

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they kept they kept talking and I'm thinking to myself, like, okay,

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joke feels kind of kind of over and and they're like, well,

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I'm becuz we're not joking. They had told me, uh

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several I mean several experiences, uh that are kind of ongoing,

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I guess you could say. So after I after I

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kind of realized that they weren't messing with me, and

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they weren't playing a joke and it wasn't necessarily funny anyway. Uh.

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I got obsessed. I started watching. I found your channel,

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I found uh, I found a fast watch SiO channel

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and I and I could not stop watching, And honestly

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I still can't stop watching. Probably uh uh maybe a

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week A week afterward. I was after I after they

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had came and talked to me, I was super curious.

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I couldn't get anything out of my mind. I was

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just it was just all I could think of. So,

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I this is gonna sound crazy, and I don't I

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don't know if anyone believes me when I even say this,

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But I walked out my front door. And I lived

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near a lake. I live on a lake actually, and

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on the other side of my road is a large

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wooded field. So I walked out to my mailbox. I

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stood there for about five minutes just staring.

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Into the dark.

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I couldn't really tell you why. I just was staring,

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and I had the oddest feeling just it wasn't it

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wasn't bad. I didn't feel scared necessarily more anxious, I guess.

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And I looked across. I looked across the super dark

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other side of the road, and I just said, is

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that you?

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And when I did not a.

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Second past and a tree knock rang through what felt

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like my head, my neighborhood. I was surprised that no

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one else here, if they could, I immediately was super scared.

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I was like, I messed up. I don't know what

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I'm getting myself into. Basically, I'm a I'm a I'm

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an army veteran, so not everything scares me. But I

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straight ran the thirty feet back into my house. That

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was my very first experience. The uh after that, it

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just up until now even uh nothing I can nothing, I.

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Can pinpoint nothing, you know, no.

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Visual sighting, but lots of lots of like glunts as

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I walk around I guess you could say glunts as

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I walk around the lake for just your you know,

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regular exercise, and so you know that's just my my

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little beginning, but it just kind of brings the question

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for me, at least when you start looking for them,

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do they start looking back?

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I think when yes, It's kind of like the story

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everyone shares is when you get that new car and

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you're focused on it, you're going to start seeing all

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the other cars that are the same model, Right, you

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start focusing and then yeah, you're gonna notice, Oh, that's

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kind of a weird wood knock, or the tree got

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pushed over, or it smells weird around here, or hey,

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this story I heard happened five minutes away from my house.

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And are so are you from?

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Like, and we don't have to get super specific, but

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it's like south of Saint Louis like that weird area. Yep, Yeah,

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that area is crazy. I mean what like is a

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Saint Francois County. I've heard some stuff from there. I

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mean you've got Mark Twain and all that crazy stuff.

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So yeah, Mark Twain is pretty busy. Yeah.

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So is it a thing where you are are actively

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going out and and trying to look for stuff or

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you're just kind of noticing stuff around maybe your property?

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Uh, A little bit of both. When I have time,

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I go out I spend a lot of time with

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those guys you know down south as well, So, uh,

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you know, it's a it's a it's a.

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Mix of bowl gotcha, gotcha, and just curious because you

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know you've had you've heard the stories too. So when

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you talk about the things that are happening at the

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greenhouse property, is there one experience or or story associated

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with that that sticks out that you might be able

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to to share.

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Uh? Yeah, I mean I don't want to. I don't

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want to tell all their stories.

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I'm sure that at they.

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Want to talk to you as well. But uh, probably

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probably the very first one from the guy when he

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when he told me his his first sighting, it wasn't

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it was a full on I think you guys call

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him a class a encounter.

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Uh.

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That he was working out in his greenhouse. He was

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paying no attention I guess to to basically anything else.

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I don't know exactly what he was doing, but I

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guess he walked out and something something maybe whistled at him.

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He looked up and I guess something you know, maybe

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nine eight or nine foot is what he said. I

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can't remember exactly, stepped out of the woodline, looked looked

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him dead in the eyes, and Ordad and m and

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then turned around and walked away. He ran inside, obviously,

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and he's not a small guy. He's not a small guy.

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By he ran inside and was almost you know, couch

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ridden for a couple of weeks.

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It seemed like, wow, oh my goodness.

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Yeah, that dad, and he has he has experience with

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another type as well. Uh that that does sometimes mess

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with his greenhouse. That has definitely damaged his greenhouse. And

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and that's as far as I'll say for that. Right,

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Some some things, some things are so friendly.

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No, I I totally get it.

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You need to have your your wits about you and

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be aware of what's going on out there, because you know,

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sometimes it can be super friendly. Sometimes you just you

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got to be ready for anything. So man, yeah, I

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I appreciate you coming out, and thank you for helping

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me test to make sure that this is running and

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you know, hopefully we can have some good times over here.

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But yeah, thank you, thank you so much. Man, appreciate

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you coming up and sharing your encounter, and thank you

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for listening to the show.

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No problem, man, you have a good rest of your.

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Day, you too.

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All right, Well, there we go. Fantastic Missouri. So I

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got to get a little little thing to hold my

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phone because that's going to get that's going to get

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pretty not comfortable. I believe I got another call, so

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I'm going to check with that person.

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Here.

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We're going to give this individual a callback here. Hi,

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is this Rebecca Awesome? Yeah, I was giving me a callback.

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Thank you for calling in. I'm just trying to see

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if I can do a call on show. And it

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sounds like it worked. And so were you calling in

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with the Bigfoot story you've got?

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Yeah, yes, I really was taken by it. I don't

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know what questions you have.

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Let's start with if you want to, you know, share

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your experience how it started out, if you feel comfortable

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with sharing the area of the country or in the

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time frame and all that good stuff.

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Sorry, it happened about two or three years ago. At

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the time, I was teaching kindergarten and I'm retired now,

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and I usually take about sixty e's you know, because

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it's right in front of my house into Charleston. It's

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about a thirty five minute ride, and then you have

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a thirteen.

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Minute ride from where I live to any kind of town,

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you know, it's.

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I called You're in the woods kind of it's kind

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of out and I was setting up a hill and

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it was really dark, and this bigot came out of

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nowhere and I had never He was brownish collared, reddish brownish,

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and he was running towards my car and he was

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like in the stripes in the middle of the road.

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He was chasing something and he got really close to

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my car, and I mean just right there. I just

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I had a really good look at him, and he

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looked very he was tired. He was chasing something, maybe

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a deer, and he couldn't catch.

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It in My car was in the way, so he.

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Started running down the middle of the road towards my car,

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but he didn't touch me. I just got a really

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good look, and I was startled by the time I

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got to work and just sat there. I want to

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work early to get things done in the classroom, and

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I couldn't get anything done because I couldn't believe what

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I had seen.

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You know.

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So that's the story, and I couldn't believe it.

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I was telling everybody I just saw Bigfoot. So I

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never thought about ever seeing one. Said a little bit

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of research on him. I found out the pretty intelligence,

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the pretty smart I think the government had captured one

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if I'm right, and he escaped. But I could tell

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this was a male and he just looked really hot

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and really tired.

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To face.

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He had the facial expression of just tired, you know

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he was because he was whatever he was pursuing was

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getting away. I'm I'm a believer now, totally, totally.

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You cannot.

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I know what I thought, and it's it just makes

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me wonder about them because they know about us. We

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know less about them.

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Because they are so they'd like to not be seen,

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you know, because I guess they.

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Fear us in some sort of what sort of way?

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I know they're very territorial. That's all I have to

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say that.

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Thank you for sharing that. That's incredible. Is that Charleston,

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West Virginia.

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Well, Charleston is where I fought. I am from. I

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was living in Cologning, which is thirty five minute drive,

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you know, and it's kind of one of the country

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road mostly, And yeah, it's.

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Close to Charleston.

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Okay, And how long would you say that you were

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able to look at it for?

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Oh?

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I had a really good look at him. I wasn't scared.

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I was more startled because he was running down the

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middle of the road towards my car, and you know,

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like the strikes of the middle of roads, and I

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could have hit him and he could have got you know,

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00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.240
he just ran towards me. But he didn't hit my car.

477
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:36.400
I mean, he would have told him he because I

478
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:41.720
was one pretty fast and but he I would say,

479
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.160
I got a good three or four second look at him.

480
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.200
I mean I got a full bough and look at him,

481
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:51.200
you know, and I saw the expressions. It's just almost

482
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.599
like human like the face, you know, and he had

483
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:58.880
the auburn brownish hair, you know. But he didn't seem

484
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:00.839
to me like he was after me or anything. I

485
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.119
just kind of caught him in the middle of pursuing

486
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:04.400
whatever he was pursuing.

487
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.400
Yeah, absolutely, that makes sense.

488
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:14.559
Yeah, yeah, I wasn't afraid of him. He just startled me,

489
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.000
you know. Oh yet, and I never thought about him.

490
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.079
I do believe in him now, I mean totally. And

491
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.240
there has to be moms, I mean, you know, females

492
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.359
and males until you know, teenagers, I mean, they have

493
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:29.640
to have families like we do. They just are very

494
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:33.759
uh what would you call it recluse right exactly. You know,

495
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.119
we're kind of going in their territory, you know, and

496
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.119
when you get close to them, they start making no noises,

497
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.960
knacking up. That's what I hear here.

498
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:43.680
That makes sense.

499
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.160
Didn't have a certain way of running. Did you notice

500
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.400
anything weird about the way it was running down the road?

501
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.680
He was running really fast towards me, just like a

502
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:56.920
human went run. He was just like he looked like

503
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.359
he because he was taller than my car. So I

504
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.480
would say he's good.

505
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.000
At least, thanks for Okay, gotcha.

506
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.839
Very clearly in my head life and the side of

507
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:07.160
my car.

508
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:09.599
What kind of what kind of car were you in?

509
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:13.559
I have a Nissong and then I have a cat

510
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.519
bac now, but I have a Nissan in twenty nineteen

511
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:18.759
Nissan Ultimum.

512
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.960
Okay, so so you you are in a four door

513
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:24.279
Sedan type deal.

514
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.359
Yeah, so then.

515
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:31.920
You're you're there, and from from how you were sitting

516
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.400
in the car, like, what were your what was your

517
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.160
viewpoint at? Was it far enough away that you were

518
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:39.200
able to see all of it when it was running

519
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:39.559
towards you.

520
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.960
I saw him running towards me, and I saw he's

521
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:44.799
right beside my car.

522
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.359
Okay, you know, I mean he just ran.

523
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.000
I got good look at him.

524
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:50.680
Gotchas running in the middle of us.

525
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.079
And our driver's side is in the you know, on

526
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.160
that side where the strikes are. And that's why I song.

527
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.119
That's how a song. Yeah, I got a good look

528
00:28:59.160 --> 00:28:59.839
at him.

529
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:05.400
And you mentioned kind of startled. Absolutely, I would be too.

530
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.240
You mentioned you saw some emotions in its face.

531
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.039
Well, he looked as if he was he was panting,

532
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:14.559
you know, he taught. You could tell he was really

533
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.640
running and what he was taking something. And I got

534
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:20.680
my car got in away, so he ran down the

535
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.000
middle of the road. He didn't I guess he opted.

536
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.359
Not to cross it in kind of my car because one.

537
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.960
Process it would have told him my car out and

538
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.000
would have heard him pretty bad.

539
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:30.480
Oh, it would be really bad.

540
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.680
Yeah, do you I remember so you said it was

541
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.599
only for a few seconds, But do you remember any

542
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:41.279
features of the face, like if you were to tell.

543
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.400
It was a blake, okay, like him like to like

544
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.839
a cross between both you know, I mean, because of

545
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.799
this how he was so you could tell he was.

546
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:55.319
Taught, and he was running fast, you know, and he

547
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.920
he just think he was panting, you know, and so

548
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.240
he had, you know, expression on his face, and he

549
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.079
wasn't even patting any attention to me. He just got

550
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:07.400
out the way to the car, you.

551
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.200
Know, and kept on towards my car the side of it.

552
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:12.039
Yeah.

553
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:16.680
Absolutely, there was no car coming his way, so he

554
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:17.960
was he was trying.

555
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.960
To get across the street, I think, and my car

556
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.960
got in a way. I startled, and I'm pretty sure

557
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:24.440
I did.

558
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.240
What was the number one thing you remember about him

559
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.720
that made you think, Yeah, what I'm looking at is

560
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.960
a big foot and not just a really big human.

561
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.119
Hair and how big he was and just the face

562
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:42.279
had no hair, you know, not as much hair. He

563
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:46.400
just looked. I mean his expression was human like, you know,

564
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.400
and he's just big, he said so much that they

565
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.039
have hair, and the color of his hair was like

566
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:58.680
an auburn redish brown, you know. Okay, yeah he was.

567
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:00.640
I wasn't.

568
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.960
I was just so startled. I mean, I'm lucky I

569
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:04.799
made to work, you know, and off that.

570
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.000
Deal that I was, Oh, I'm sure, like, how did this?

571
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.960
How did this affect you afterwards? After this experience?

572
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.640
I have Air Force training. I'm retired Air Force, you know,

573
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.759
I know how to react in rough situations, you know,

574
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.839
and I kind of got a hold of myself, you know,

575
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.920
so okay, keep going, just don't look back. You know,

576
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.519
he'd have to run after me. Began out of thinking.

577
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.200
I think my car will go faster than he could.

578
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.480
You know, if I had to, I get out running.

579
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.599
Sure, Sure would you ever want to have an experience

580
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:36.920
like this?

581
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.039
Again, it wasn't bother me at.

582
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.920
All, because it didn't he didn't seem like I mean,

583
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:46.880
I don't you know, I can't since the sense of

584
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.960
spirit because it's so quick. But I mean, I think

585
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:53.759
that it's how we approach them, you know, we approached them.

586
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.119
We start the very I think they're territorial, and you

587
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.839
know that's why the guys on the prior to me,

588
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.359
he said he heard the banging and things like that.

589
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.960
Maybe he built somewhere where they live. You know, we're

590
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.400
close to and they're very territorial because they protect their

591
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.359
families just like we do, you know, and they have

592
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:22.839
that the deer that's their food and they're meat eaters.

593
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:23.880
You know.

594
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.799
I just think sometimes we're going in their territory and

595
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.400
they really don't know us, because I think they're afraid

596
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.160
of us, you know. It would be nice if somehow

597
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.680
we could contact them and you know, use their language

598
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.559
to let them know where out there to hurt them.

599
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:44.000
But I'd like to see more studies on it. But

600
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:45.480
I don't think that.

601
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.000
I think the government taught one one time.

602
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:49.640
I don't know about I heard about.

603
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.759
It, you know, I've heard stories like that as well.

604
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.839
Absolutely right, and I don't know.

605
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.960
If that's true. And they took him to Greenland or

606
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:03.359
with the Greenland and he escaped, so also they go

607
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.119
through portals. I don't know. I don't know that much

608
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:06.519
about it.

609
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.480
There's a lot of a lot of information out there.

610
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.240
I've talked to a few guys in the military, a

611
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:18.599
few veterans, and I mean about things they've experienced, and

612
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.559
it was so intense they didn't end up coming on

613
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:23.799
the show because.

614
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.880
Well, yeah, I mean they're scared.

615
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:32.079
It's serious of us. If we are Aventah, it's a

616
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.519
more circle of us because we carry weapons and they don't.

617
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.640
You know, they carry I mean they carry sticks and

618
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.680
they can put down pull down trees, you know, because

619
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:42.480
they're very strong.

620
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.559
But I think they're afraid of.

621
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.880
Us, you know, that's why their recluse.

622
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:53.880
I think at some times you're You're absolutely right. Was it?

623
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.319
Another question I had for you was so you mentioned

624
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.440
that there is no hair on the face. Was the

625
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.200
rest of it covered in here?

626
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:00.400
Then?

627
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.039
Yeah? Oh yeah? All over his body?

628
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:06.200
Yes, Yes.

629
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:07.880
I didn't get a good look at his hands. I

630
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.760
just you know, his upper tors so I saw his

631
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.559
body running from me. But I got a really good

632
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.639
look at his face and was on in his front. Yeah,

633
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:15.920
he was, Harry, very Harry.

634
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.159
Absolutely. The last thing I want to ask you is

635
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:24.079
have you ever done any looking around to see if

636
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.320
there's other people that have had similar experiences where you

637
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:28.320
had your experience?

638
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.000
No, because people here just don't believe me. They laugh,

639
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.159
you know, and I'm like, Okay, well, I know I saw.

640
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.480
I saw what I saw, and I know the area.

641
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.079
One time I had came through there around five in

642
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.440
the morning and I saw cows laying all over the road,

643
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.719
so that that kind of surprised me. On each side

644
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:50.239
of the road, they weren't in the road, they were

645
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.000
on the side of the road. So the man that

646
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.960
had those cows right in his pasture, somehow they got

647
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.199
out of that pasture and they were all dead, and

648
00:34:58.239 --> 00:34:59.679
I had to go around them.

649
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.239
Oh, I remember that one more.

650
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:04.960
Really dark, you know.

651
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.559
Yeah, so they were not alive and they were all

652
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.280
over the place on the side of the road.

653
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.360
No, And I wanted to go up to just because

654
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.800
it's up on the hell, you know, and say, hey,

655
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:16.920
your ChEls are lad in the roads here on the

656
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.039
sides of the road. But I did not. Just went

657
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.039
on to work because I have, you know, twenty one singergardeners.

658
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.599
I have to see the house. But oh no, you know,

659
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:26.920
I have seen a lot. Those are the two things

660
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.000
I ran on patting or so.

661
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:33.800
That's that is some wild, wild stuff.

662
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:36.480
Rebecca, thank you so much for for coming up and

663
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:43.280
for sharing your experience. You're welcome, and thank you for

664
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.760
listening to the show. I appreciate it fantastic. Well, this

665
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.199
is working out pretty good. It's working out really good.

666
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.880
I do need to get one of those I need

667
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.360
to get a little thing I can put my phone on,

668
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.559
because that's going to get uh, that's going to get

669
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.440
kind of rough. Not that it's a word thing, but

670
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.760
you know, I'll just put a little tripod there. I

671
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:06.840
wanted to Where is it? John? Thank you so much

672
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.199
for your five dollars donation. Love your show too. Appreciate

673
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.800
that man. Thank you the bigfoot Dwarf for being a

674
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:23.360
great mod right now, he's taking care of business. Hi Luienne, Hi, Hi,

675
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:24.159
this is Jeremiah.

676
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:28.159
How are you, Hi, Jeremiah, I am fine.

677
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.920
Hey, awesome. Feel free to share what's on your mind there.

678
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:35.679
Okay, well this just happened yesterday.

679
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.599
Now I live on the Cumberland Plateau where you were

680
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.239
recently allegedly.

681
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:43.079
Allegedly.

682
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:45.960
I don't know who told you, queen.

683
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:50.639
Yeah, we were traveling between Sparta and Cross Yes, ma'am,

684
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.119
just on Highway seventy okay, broad daylight, and all of

685
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:58.440
a sudden, the traffic starts walking up. You know, you're

686
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.880
the uh little airport there, municipal Airports.

687
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.280
We're like, what is going on? Is it an accident?

688
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.559
And so we get, you know, closer up and we

689
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.760
move and they start telling us we need to go,

690
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:13.360
you know, the.

691
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.280
Cops, that we need to go on a back road.

692
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:23.760
And we look and a tree that is green with leaves, not.

693
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.039
A rotten old tree.

694
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:29.280
And mind you, we have not had any weather of

695
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:33.480
any kind for a week okay at all.

696
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:35.960
This tree is.

697
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:41.599
Pushed over onto the power line over the highway and

698
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:44.159
I'm just like now you do the math.

699
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:45.599
What makes a.

700
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.599
Green full of green leaves tree get pushed over like

701
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.119
that when there's not a breeze, there's been no weather,

702
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:56.960
just out of the blue.

703
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:58.440
That's wild.

704
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.280
I mean that it makes you really think, because that

705
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.480
area is so wild for activity, as.

706
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.960
You know, I think somebody had to be in their

707
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.119
bonnet and decided to give a little.

708
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.840
Back to mankind.

709
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:17.440
M somebody got ped, you know, and decided to push

710
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:18.239
over a tree.

711
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:22.320
Because there's no other way that happened. So I just thought,

712
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:23.639
I just thought.

713
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.400
I'd let you know I appreciate so between Sparta and

714
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:32.719
Crossville just recently, right, yes, yesterday, Oh my goodness. Well, well,

715
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.400
well there you go. Listeners should be aware of that

716
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.960
area and who knows what's out there in the woods.

717
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.039
Maybe pushing stuff happens. So thank you for coming in

718
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.559
for calling in, ma'am.

719
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.599
Sure, no problem, Jeremiah.

720
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.119
Yes, ma'am. Oh my goodness.

721
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.960
Well there we go, okay, And yeah, I will say

722
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.960
the Cumberland Plateau is pretty wild.

723
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:03.920
Alleged good stuff.

724
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.519
My name is Gary Saunders. I grew up in a

725
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:19.000
small town in the Arbuckle Mountains and my dad, my dad,

726
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.000
he was more or less my mentor growing up in

727
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:26.679
the woods. At the age of three, I was coon hunting,

728
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:33.719
so I've been all over the mountains down there. But

729
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.440
my dad told me a story back in about nineteen

730
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:41.320
sixty five. This is before all the bigfoot craze was out,

731
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:52.840
and this story involved a creature that he could not identify.

732
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.639
Him and my uncle they were coon hunting. They had

733
00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:04.159
four or five hounds with them and they were they

734
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:06.960
were in the Arbucca Mountains and they were going across

735
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.519
a field that had briars that my dad said that

736
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.719
they had to use lights to get through. In Oklahoma,

737
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:22.559
briar patches are crazy. And he said they made it

738
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:27.840
through the briars and they and they got into the

739
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.800
woods and the hounds took off, and he said, about

740
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.199
twenty minutes later they were about a quarter mile into

741
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:36.639
the woods. He said, all the hounds come back to

742
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:41.920
them with the tails tucked between their legs. He said,

743
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:46.199
he told my uncle that he was he was heading

744
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.280
back to the truck. Something wasn't right. He said that,

745
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.880
he said they were. They kept hearing things behind them,

746
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:01.360
and he said he turned around, turned around at one

747
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.519
sound and he saw He said he saw what it

748
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.480
looked like to be an eight or nine foot tall

749
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:13.320
man standing behind beside a tree. So they they took

750
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.480
off and he said, whatever this thing was was following

751
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.960
them through them briars with no light on, he said.

752
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.199
He said they were having trouble getting through them, and

753
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:29.519
he said, this this thing was wrapped behind him. So

754
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:34.079
they they made it back to the truck. Everything he

755
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.199
said he didn't he didn't see it. See it again.

756
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:43.519
But the interesting thing about this story is this was

757
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:48.280
before all the Bigfoot craze. I think the reason my

758
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.639
dad told me this story, it wasn't to scare me.

759
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.440
It was to let me know that there was things

760
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:59.039
out in the woods that he didn't understand. And that's

761
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:04.480
what scared me because because my dad, my uncles, they

762
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.440
they lived in the woods, They lived fishing on the river,

763
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:13.280
they hunted on the river all down through there. So

764
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:18.920
I mean, this this made me think. And then all

765
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:23.440
this stuff coming out about Bigfoot later, it was kind

766
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:28.599
of crazy because I mean, this was before he told

767
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:38.960
me this, before Bigfoot sighting in California. Also another incident,

768
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.119
him and my uncle were hunting in another place and

769
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.760
there's an old boy scout cabin up there. He said,

770
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.679
about two o'clock in the morning, he heard what he

771
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:56.400
thought was a double bit axe hitting a tree. And

772
00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:00.360
this is out in the middle of nowhere. He said.

773
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.519
He got up, got his light and walked around every

774
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.639
tree around the place trying to figure out where this

775
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:14.480
sound was coming from, and he never heard it. So

776
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:23.679
down in that area there is it's just forced for

777
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:29.000
all you can for as long far as you can see.

778
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:34.719
Another interesting thing as my great uncle, he was a

779
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:43.119
government trapper back in the day, and I mean he

780
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.760
was all over the woods. He had I mean he

781
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.960
collected Indian artifacts and he probably had I don't know,

782
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:58.360
ten thousand Indian artifacts. But my dad told me that

783
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.800
one day he saw him down at the store and

784
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.519
he told my dad and my uncle that he was

785
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:13.199
done trapping. He said, if if they wanted his traps

786
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.559
to go get them off the trap line, he wasn't

787
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:22.159
going back anymore. So something had scared him. I'm not

788
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.119
sure what it was, but he would never talk about it,

789
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.599
and my grandfather said that he wouldn't even tell him

790
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:33.880
what was going on. So there's something in that area

791
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:41.400
that I don't know what it is, but it's there's

792
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:49.280
definitely something there. And I have hunted and walked up

793
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:55.679
where my dad and uncle were on the mountains when

794
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:59.800
my dad heard that knocking sound. And you can go

795
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:04.639
up through there and about a half mile up the creek,

796
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:12.079
everything just goes quiet, no bird sounds, nothing, and you

797
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:18.880
always feel like something is watching you up through that area.

798
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:25.039
I don't hunt at night anymore. It's been years and

799
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:28.239
years since I've been coon hunting, and I probably ain't

800
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:35.039
gonna go back anymore because the woods aren't the place

801
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:36.199
to be at night anymore.

802
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.559
And why would you say that the woods aren't the

803
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.880
place to be at night anymore? Is that because of

804
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.079
the stories that you heard growing up or was there

805
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.679
another situation that laid into that.

806
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.400
It's a combination of both. I mean, there's been too

807
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:02.840
many sightings that and all these people can't be wrong.

808
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:12.639
And it's not only that in this area here there's

809
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:18.079
there's a not only do you have that, but you

810
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:23.000
also have a big cat sidings and now we're getting

811
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.159
bear coming into this area and the wild hogs. So

812
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.880
it's just better stay out of the woods at night.

813
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.320
That makes sense, I mean.

814
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.880
And and even on top of that, I mean it's

815
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:36.559
not a thing we focus on in this show, but

816
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:40.719
if you listen to other cryptid shows this the area

817
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.400
of Oklahoma, it's not just Bigfoot. There's other you know,

818
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.159
cryptid things down there, as people seeing dogmen down there.

819
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:50.719
There's all sorts of really weird stuff. And then there's

820
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.159
you know, I mean, I'm looking at the map of

821
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.480
where you are, and I remember hearing a story where

822
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.320
closer to the Texas border, there's an area where like

823
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.000
tigers have gotten loose from game farms, and now you know,

824
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:08.559
people have to be allegedly looking for tigers in the

825
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:13.360
area down by the river, and that's one of the

826
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:18.320
WMA's down there, I think. But so Gary, you you know,

827
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:24.679
your background is you're an outdoorsman, hunter, fishermen, and you're

828
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.679
also a veteran. So how old were you when you

829
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.199
first started hearing these stories from your father?

830
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.800
Well, I'm sixty six years old and I was about

831
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.960
five years old. Okay, So this was back in nineteen

832
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:43.880
sixty five, and I believe, I believe the California Bigfoot

833
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:45.960
come out in sixty seven.

834
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.719
Yeah, so the main you know, that that main big

835
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:54.320
push that most people know Bigfoot for was the Patterson

836
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.800
Gamblin film in sixty seven, So it is it is

837
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:01.199
prior to that, which is pretty amazing. So when you

838
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:05.079
were growing up and you're hunting and fishing down in

839
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.960
these areas in Oklahoma, you know, how did hearing these

840
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:13.880
stories as a really young child, how did that affect

841
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.679
you as you started to grow up into an outdoorsman?

842
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:21.719
Well? Right, at first, it really didn't affect me. I

843
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:29.960
mean I still went hunting, fishing, camping. But then then

844
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:35.440
later in life, you know, all these sightings started coming out,

845
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.519
and that's what kind of got me what thinking about

846
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:46.000
all this? You know, there's I mean, now you can't

847
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.119
hide anything, you know, I mean, it's all out and open.

848
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:55.440
People have cameras and video footage of all this. So

849
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.679
then I started, you know that that's what starts affecting me.

850
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.719
Okay, I don't know if the.

851
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:11.119
Government's governed this up or why they would, but I

852
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.119
mean people need to know that there's things out in

853
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.519
the woods that you know, they may be friendly or

854
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.320
they may not be.

855
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:19.800
I mean, I'll tell you this much.

856
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.679
I've talked to at least one park ranger off record

857
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.000
that has regular encounters with these things.

858
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:30.159
Maybe we'll have a.

859
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.880
There's a lot of individuals that say that are like,

860
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.599
give me a rain check for when I'm retired, and Gary,

861
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.440
the amount would really make your head spind but you

862
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:42.519
probably can imagine it's a large amount.

863
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:49.000
It's wild. It's just absolutely wild. What so you're you're

864
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.039
in this area, and.

865
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:57.079
What's the most have you heard recently any people having

866
00:49:57.719 --> 00:49:59.679
encounters still in this area or is it a thing

867
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.800
where you know, it's been a while since you've heard things.

868
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:08.920
It's been a while. I've got a buddy, he manages

869
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:15.960
ranch and he haunts hogs, and he's really not said anything.

870
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:19.119
You know, he hasn't saw anything down in that area,

871
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.039
and he's pretty much out there, probably two or three

872
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:28.480
nights a week, i'd guess, hunting dogs. But I believe

873
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.000
there's something out there. I mean, if you look at

874
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:35.239
the history of Oklahoma and look the chalk Taw, Bigfoot

875
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:40.000
or that wasn't far from here from where I'm at now,

876
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:44.880
then you've got hanobia incident?

877
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.119
Do you acts? Absolutely?

878
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:53.199
And there might be some people that do not know

879
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:56.960
of the uh And there's a few ways to say,

880
00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.320
I haven't been there yet, but I know that there's

881
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.840
hope now be there's there's anobia. Uh, and that's a

882
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:07.400
whole that's a whole conversation itself. But what is when

883
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:11.119
you think of the the situations that they have dealt

884
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:14.760
with down there, Uh, what what is your understanding of

885
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:16.000
what happened in the.

886
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:18.480
Area.

887
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:24.639
Well, the guy down there, there was two families, two

888
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:31.679
brothers in there, and these things started appearing. And and

889
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:35.400
not only did these two guys see it, but the

890
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.599
guy's granddaughters and his whole family member. I guess they

891
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.880
saw these things. And these guys they were I guess

892
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:51.159
they were coaching deer, and these things started robbin nur freezer.

893
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:58.079
Well then it turned into a shooting war, and and

894
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:02.599
they they that they kill one and we're going to

895
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:06.480
go out and look at it. And four others jumped

896
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.800
out from the woods and took off.

897
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:15.920
With this, saying, so, yeah, it is. It is one

898
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:21.159
of the most intense stories. And you know, of course

899
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:25.519
it was. It happened early two thousands, I believe, so

900
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.199
more than twenty years from you know, it's twenty six

901
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:35.000
right now, twenty twenty six. It's very interesting. I've never

902
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:40.039
been to the area. I hope to go someday, but

903
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:42.400
I actually had a gentleman on the show a month

904
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.960
or so ago, and he was telling me he owns

905
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.639
a cabin in the area. And so one of the

906
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.440
main parts of the whole now story is that they

907
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:56.920
were trying to get into the cabin to get to

908
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.679
they thought to get to like the woman children, right,

909
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.559
and they were trying to get in there, and that's

910
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:06.880
really what things got bad. So the thing is is

911
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:11.480
that current day, twenty twenty six, I talked to an

912
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:15.519
individual where there are there's there's a point where there

913
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.280
was a bigfoot that actually tried to get it, tried

914
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.519
to get into his cabin, open the door. They see

915
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:25.599
it around the property. But he's also talked to other

916
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.280
people in the town where they are trying to get

917
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.199
into their houses as well. So this is not just

918
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:35.679
a thing where it happened back twenty years ago. In

919
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:39.679
a way, the siege is still going on, but maybe

920
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:44.320
a little different than than the original. It's a it's

921
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:48.559
a wild, wild story.

922
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.320
Maybe maybe I.

923
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:55.239
Could say a few few different areas around Oklahoma, and

924
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.440
just curious if you've ever heard of any any stories

925
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.880
or anything, and if you haven't, that that's no sweay.

926
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.719
Oklahoma has so many, so many interesting places. Have you

927
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:10.880
ever heard of anything happening down by the Thackerville area

928
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:15.679
in the Red River of Oklahoma? No, I haven't, Okay,

929
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:18.679
And how thow McGee Creek?

930
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:26.800
Gee Creek is not far from here. I think McGhee

931
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:30.440
Creek areas right in that area is where the chalk

932
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.880
Taws had their war with the big Feet.

933
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:34.400
Got you?

934
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:38.559
And have you ever heard of anything happening around the

935
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.199
Lake Texoma area? And I know that's a huge area,

936
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.800
but uh, there's a lot going on down there.

937
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:51.199
There's a recent recent siding down by Durant, which is

938
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:58.880
not far from Texoma. I guess they were on a

939
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:02.679
uh where the our line come through. They were down

940
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:10.559
by the lake and and they saw this creature in

941
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.199
the cut.

942
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:18.079
Yes, I remember that because they were looking around. They

943
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:22.639
were looking across a river at it right right, yep, yep,

944
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.800
I do remember that. That was that was a wild one.

945
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.519
Have you ever heard of anything happening Let's say, if

946
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:37.039
you were to draw a square from La Floor over

947
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:41.480
to the Arkansas border and then.

948
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:46.000
Down to let's say.

949
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.000
Zaffra on the border, and then that goes across to

950
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.840
Honabi and Octavia and all that I know that's a

951
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.320
big square, but there could be some stuff going on

952
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:56.840
in there.

953
00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.480
I haven't heard of any recent.

954
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.400
Sidings, gotcha, gotcha.

955
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.119
But if you if you look at the chalk tall

956
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:17.000
uh bigfoot war m hm, the floor, the floor county

957
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:23.039
one of the floors was killed during that and then

958
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:26.239
the rest of the Indians come in and I guess

959
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:28.719
they killed all the Bigfoot there. They were still in

960
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.840
women and children, and they had a pile of bones,

961
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:38.800
human bones and stuff. I mean, that's I guess that's

962
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:39.800
chalkdaw legend.

963
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:43.000
Yeah, that's that's really wild.

964
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.239
I've it's one of those legends where I have talked

965
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:51.079
to individuals where it's like they're on either side. Some

966
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.679
people are like, yeah, it's it's totally real. Some people

967
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.239
are like, I don't know, could just be a legend,

968
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.559
but it's it's it's a fascinating story either way.

969
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:04.599
I think, well, here's the thing on the floor. He uh,

970
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:09.719
he was pretty prominent person during back during them times.

971
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:10.239
He was a.

972
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.840
He was a lawyer. So I'm not sure that story

973
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:18.400
don't carry some truth to it.

974
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:24.840
Gotcha. Now, based on.

975
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:32.719
What you've heard growing up in this area, So maybe

976
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.079
you talk to people over the years and just you know,

977
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.880
experiences you've had. Do you have any leaning as to

978
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.960
what you personally think Bigfoot might be? There are so

979
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:48.079
so so many different ways to look at what what

980
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:48.599
it is.

981
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:49.320
You know.

982
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:58.480
I have saw reports where uh here samples they took

983
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:04.800
had like human DNA in it. M you know, a

984
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:09.760
lot of people think it's this big gorilla. I don't

985
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:15.360
think that's true. I think maybe the Neanderthals didn't die out.

986
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:20.880
Are there another branch of human that we haven't discovered?

987
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:25.920
These things are smart, you know. I think they're a

988
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:32.880
lot smarter than like a gorilla.

989
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.960
I would say, uh, one hundred percent, there is. And

990
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:45.239
I think some people get really a lot of humans,

991
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:51.320
I think, uh, a lot of let's let's wear that differently.

992
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.960
A lot of people in our culture kind of get

993
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.239
a little bit scared or been out of shape if

994
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:01.400
they think or to think that there might be something

995
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:05.199
out there smarter than we are. And I think that

996
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:09.239
we have to get to come to terms with that

997
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.400
that there could be absolutely something out there that is

998
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:18.840
either as smart as us or even smarter. Because man,

999
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:23.239
the things that you hear, the accounts that are told,

1000
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:28.599
and I mean even experiences where Okay, so there's something

1001
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:33.039
out there that can make people freeze or make people

1002
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.760
walk the way they don't want to. And these go

1003
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:39.199
all the way back to Native American stories passed down

1004
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:44.360
over the years. It's really wild stuff. But Mike, Goodness,

1005
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:50.119
Oklahoma is just so so full of intense, intense things.

1006
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.599
Is this something where you would ever want to have

1007
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:57.039
a sighting of it yourself like your father and your

1008
00:59:57.159 --> 00:59:59.559
uncle did back in nineteen sixty five.

1009
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.000
I'd like to see it. I don't know how close.

1010
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.960
I don't want to get to it, but I'd like to,

1011
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.360
you know, know, one way for the or the other.

1012
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:15.800
But I don't think these things are actually smarter than humans.

1013
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:20.039
I think they just have a different way of a

1014
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:24.119
different way about them. You know, how they haunt, how

1015
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:25.440
they how they.

1016
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.559
Think right and and you know a few people over

1017
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.079
the years have contemplated where I think if if they

1018
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.119
think if you were put out in the woods and

1019
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:44.119
with no tech and it was just survival, get food,

1020
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:48.239
and it's really just survival. I mean, how your senses

1021
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.199
would change, what you would focus on, what senses would

1022
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:56.320
become even clearer or more defined with with tech and

1023
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.559
schedules out of the way. I mean, it's it's definitely

1024
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:03.440
something to think about. But I had more than a

1025
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:05.719
few people talk to me about that before.

1026
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:17.000
So I think whatever these are have evolved with capabilities

1027
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.559
that we don't have. I mean, how did they hunt deer,

1028
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:26.079
you know, with no weapons?

1029
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:28.800
Right right exactly?

1030
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:32.679
And I mean, man, I've heard some I think the

1031
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:36.039
wildest thing I've heard come out of Oklahoma as a

1032
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.719
gentleman I talked to I'm not going to say his

1033
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:40.360
name because I can't remember if I used it in

1034
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.880
the interview, is years ago where he had heard a

1035
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:48.159
story coming out of southeast Oklahoma. The guy was up

1036
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:54.400
in his tree stand and he saw these bigfoot chasing

1037
01:01:54.679 --> 01:02:00.199
some hogs below them, and one took a hog it

1038
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:05.440
up and swung it against the oak tree and broke

1039
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.119
his back to kill it. As just wild. I mean,

1040
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:12.679
you hear stuff like that, just breaking backs and you know,

1041
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:16.920
ripping limbs off deer and stuff that's like really kind

1042
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:19.599
of hard to hear, right, I mean, but it's it's

1043
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.079
really intense survival stuff when you think about it.

1044
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:28.920
So also, uh, there's a podcast about over in Missouri

1045
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:37.280
and this old farmer he you know, he said he

1046
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:42.199
found deer with broke legs. They just bront broken legs,

1047
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:43.920
you know, just hobbling around.

1048
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:46.559
I know exactly what you're talking about.

1049
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:51.599
I mean, if you think about it, that's pretty smart.

1050
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.840
You know, if coming to her deer and you're able

1051
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:58.039
to kill, you know, kill one to eat, and then

1052
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:02.000
you crippled two or three more for kind of like refrigerator,

1053
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:04.960
you know, the wooden refrigerator exactly.

1054
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:09.719
And I'm guessing, are you talking about miguel sasquatch theory,

1055
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:11.440
the killing fields down.

1056
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.159
In Missouri killing fields? Yeah, exactly.

1057
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:20.599
I mean, Oh my goodness, I.

1058
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:18.920
I had it.

1059
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:21.800
I was going down there with him last.

1060
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:25.000
Year and it didn't work out at the last second

1061
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.960
on my side. So someday, hopefully once I get back

1062
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.440
out there, that's going to be on the list. Because man,

1063
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:35.320
if you I love watching Miguel's videos and they are

1064
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:38.239
getting some wild stuff down there. It is a very

1065
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:41.960
very intense area down there in Missouri where where that

1066
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:50.039
gentleman's property is. But my goodness, Gary, this has been

1067
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:56.880
a fun conversation about really southern Oklahoma and and what's

1068
01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:58.519
going on down there. And I think this is one

1069
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.400
of those where it might lead to some other people

1070
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.119
coming forward. You know, if there's people listening that are like, hey,

1071
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.320
I experienced that in the same area, or I've heard

1072
01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:10.360
of that, you know, definitely reach out. You can send

1073
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.760
me an email at Bigfoot Society gmail dot com is

1074
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:14.639
the best way to reach me.

1075
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:15.760
But Gary, I want to.

1076
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:18.800
Make sure that you were able to share everything that

1077
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:23.079
you came to the show to share today. I pretty

1078
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:28.320
much it fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming on, sir,

1079
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:32.360
and it's been it's been a great kind of break

1080
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.000
for me from everything that's going on, and I hope

1081
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:37.440
it was. It was a good time for you. But

1082
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:39.800
feel free to reach out if you ever hear anything

1083
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:41.039
else going on down there.

1084
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:45.880
All right, I sure will. I keep my ear to

1085
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:53.320
the ground around here. This phenomenon kind of I don't know.

1086
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:57.960
It just intrigues me. You know, we've got a cryptid

1087
01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:03.320
out there that I know many many people have saw

1088
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.079
and we don't know what it is.

1089
01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:10.599
I agree, and I hope that someday we're able to

1090
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:15.239
figure out what's going on but also keep it safe

1091
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.599
as well. I think it's that's how I viewed conservation.

1092
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.639
But thank you, thank you, Yanger. I'm going to go

1093
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.159
ahead and stop stop recording here, all right, thank you.

1094
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:27.920
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1095
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:31.199
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1096
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1098
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1099
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1102
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1107
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1109
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1110
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:22.400
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1113
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1114
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.920
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1115
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:43.199
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01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:46.119
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1117
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:51.920
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1118
01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:56.320
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