Oklahoma Bigfoot Pursued Hunters in the Arbuckle Mountains

0:00 You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the. Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge link in the show notes.

0:42 Thank you, hey, Laura, how are you his in one there? Yes, I'm here. How are you good? How are you doing? Yeah? Look great? Wow? Thank you? Hot today? But then we had some cloud covered, so. I bet it's hot, so I had an encounter. Feel free to share what you're experience. Okay, and I'm sorry about the lag in Rudoso. It's seventy miles away from Roswell, where I'm from. The mountains aren't thick mountains like other places. I went to West Virginia.

1:29 After we would go we would go to Rudoso every year, and so we would scout those woods. I never heard or saw anything weird, while the horses was the most that we saw. Didn't hear anything. And then I go to West Virginia. The woods there, that's a forest. That's those are woods. There's you can't see past five feet if if the sun is not out, it gets dark because there's a canopy and all it. I mean, it's just completely different. And what I didn't really see them, but I could smell it. I could feel it. And then I heard them, three of them.

2:12 Now I'm the only one out of eight of us walking through the you know, the dense forest that even they kept saying, why are you what's wrong? Why do you keep shopping? And I'm like, do you not smell that? Nobody smells that? Like they're like they always thought it was weird. Anyway, I hear them, and and there's no way a dog or a human could have made this sound. These sounds. You felt them in your bones, you felt them in your teeth when they were like communicating with each other kind of like it was. It was almost like a triangulation if you listened to where one was and then speaking to the other. I mean, they were having a conversation about us, and then the tone changed. When I looked at it, I thought I saw something move, So I look and again it's hard to seeing those things because they're so thick, but I did. I was hyper aware at that point, and I looked because I was looking everywhere. Well, I thought, you know what, there's one place I haven't looked up and behined. So I did, and sure enough, the whole tone of theirs changed, like there's a bunch of them they don't see us, but this one does.

3:16 I just felt that in my my my being. But the sound they made was so loud and so it was like it was like you know, their their call. You've heard it like layered, like like there was more than one voice, only one, only one being. But the voice was so deep and so guttural, and you felt it in your bones. And there's and I mean he made a sound or she a sound for forty five seconds and it never wavered, and it shook trees even. I mean, it was just crazy. I don't know how close they were to us. But I could feel them before before I could, I smelled them, and then I felt them the way before I even saw them, and it scared the heck.

4:05 Adem Yes, yes. And when I say how, I don't mean like how like a dog? How, I mean likely this guttural. I can't. I don't think a human can even produce that sound. I don't know of anything that could produce that sound except a subsquatch. Then Washington, I heard them too. I'm telling you you can't. You cannot. You cannot make that sound because you feel it in your whole body, you feel it in your being. They're supernatural, for sure. For sure that will disappeared. That can do that, It will. What What did it smell like? Mmm? Rotting death and meat just rotten like they like it hadn't bathed when it had stuff, stuff, get its teeth like.

4:54 I don't know. It's something you just will never ever forget. I've worked in hospitals, I've smell that kind of death. This is completely different, But that is nothing compared to how you feel. Every My face was had goosebumps on it. My hair must have been sticking up from the goosebumps. And I don't get goosebumps, you know. I get him for emotional things. I don't get him from supernatural things. Nothing scares me. I've been around it all. Nothing scares me anymore. That scared me. And I had heard in the Appalachians even that if the closer they sound, the further away they are. But the further away they sound, the closer they really are.

5:34 To you. Now, the way the guy that or the way that one. Of them and all of them made that sound row, I'm telling you that scared me more than and they were just communicating. I figured out they're just communicating. But oh man, I wanted to run. Can you share the general area of West Virginia that happened? Then, yes, sir. We were in Bickley, Westford Jr. And we just went to the wood because of woods are everywhere around the houses, and we just went maybe a mile away from the houses into the woods. We didn't do it again, I promise you, at least I didn't. And then then they decided they were like, okay, let's tell our mom and dad, let's tell everybody to you know, to all the parents, and see what happens.

6:21 So they just laughed like, yeah, you know whatever. Then I decided, ah, I was mad. I walked out, where'd they go? Right to the woods and I look over and I just see this. I'm chelling you. The woods are weird there. What a What year was that again? I'm gonna say I think it was the centennial, like seventy six, seventy seven, maybe seventy eight. Oh wow, Okay. When did Urban Cowboy come out that year? I think that was seventy eight eighty somewhere around there. I was a kid. I was a kid. I'm almost sixty down.

7:04 Cool cool, cool, And have you experienced anything else since then? Yes, as a matter of fact, because we did go into the woods again and they convinced me. And that time I saw a dog man and they did not see it again. They didn't feel it. They didn't see it. They didn't not they didn't smell it nothing. I thought, you're there back, we're. Going into their territory and they're gonna be mad this time, they're gonna get us. No, no, no, let go over. And there's nine foot dog man. Just it didn't look like a werewolf like like I'd seen movies. I didn't that to me, it said dog man, and it looked it cracked its head like you see me. Yeah, I freaking see. Although my cousins and my brothers and sisters once again did.

7:46 Not same area. It was the same area, which just confused. It confused me as a child, but it really confuses me now because I've never heard anyone say anything like this, and I'm not making it up. M hmm. Absolutely, I've heard that. I know a few areas where they kind of live close to each other but they keep separate. That's really interesting. Looking back, it's kind of cool. But man, at the time, I think I didn't sleep with the light off or uh probably well and telling due as a teenager, and I thought, I can't. I can't act like this anymore. They're not gonna come get me.

8:29 I just know. I just have this feeling that if I went back there, they know me by my scent and say, hey, she's back, she saw us, she knows like you know what I mean? Is that good? Is that bad? Am? I tell anybody? Are they gonna kill me? Are they gonna say, hey, come see us and we'll tell you about how you know what I mean? Like the brain goes so many ways when when you're that and nothing scares me, nothing, but that scared me. And they could disappear, Well, that scared me because that dog man just anticipated. Oh you saw it just disappear, disappear. I've never seen. I thought there was m going on.

9:10 I was like, what in the. World again, though I'm like ten eleven and I was smart. I was smart ten year old, but it scared me to the core. Scares me to talk about it, like they'll find me. Have you heard of other people having experiences like that in the same area. By Beckley's especially, Yes, sir, I have really my cousins. They're kind of asleep and in the matrix so they don't really notice things. But a couple of them that had friends that were like me and said, no, they're there. But I don't think they want to hear us. They want to the isn't there a new national park around there?

9:53 Believe there is? And that confused because these people know when and they lived there, but they know they freaking know, So what are they doing? Like you want people to see them? Do you want people to be taken away? I mean, what their tactics not working? Otherwise to kill us? All. I don't know. I don't know. You set up something like that. Wow, yeah, New River goes. It's way too close, brother, way too close. Mm hmm. Well, Alaura, I thank you for coming up and sharing your experiences. I hope that you are at a place where you're able to. Can you go in the woods now or do you keep away from the woods after that?

10:42 Yeah? I will go, I will go, and yeah, I will go in the root woods. There are so woodsy there. I can see, you know, a mile in front of me. Thank you, thank you very much. A good one. That's wild. Just another example of cryptodactivity in an area that gets a National park. Putting it makes you wonder, right, makes you wonder? Hi, Daniel, Hey, Jeremiah, how are you? Hey? Good? So I am trying to got to figure out the cool way to do this. Let's let's see if I could have you say maybe a few words about the weather or something, and let's see if people can hear you.

11:27 Thanks for calling in. Yeah absolutely, it's it's really hot and muggy in Surrey right now. Okay, so let's see if anyone heard that there's a little delay. Yeah, dude, the Midwest is going to be rough in starting Sunday, Holy mackerel. Yeah, yeah, we're kind of prepping for it right now. Absolutely. I mean what it's supposed to get up to, like one ten heat index? I think. Yeah, yeah, it should be a good time. Yeah, absolutely, dude, I think I think we kind of figure this out. I was kind of going off of mysteries unknown and how he does it, and it looks like this is going to work. Did you just just curious did you have any bigfoot activity down there? Or just given a call in because I asked? Actually both, I guess really awesome. Yeah, feel free to share what you're what you got going on there?

12:30 Yeah, so I live. You mentioned the Sasquatch three guys, and I haven't. I haven't met them, but I know several people who have him pretty close with some people that do some nearby uh some nearby stuff. Maybe you've heard of the guy with the greenhouses. Yes, I've I've heard. Yeah, I've actually Oh who did I talk to? Man? This is a while back, but I've heard that story. Yeah, are you involved with that guy? Uh? Yeah, you probably heard from maybe Mike. Scott, Yes that was the guy. Yep. Yeah, yeah, so I uh yeah, I know, I know those guys very well, and uh they actually had Uh they brought me uh full circle from from kind of not even not even understanding that how how such a thing could be possible, let alone let alone real I was.

13:32 I was running like a small store just a few talents north. Of that, and uh and they had just come up to visit. Me and hang out for a while. And at the time, high strangeness for me was just it was just fun. You know. I didn't really even I didn't really think I could I could believe in in paranormal things. Really I never you know, not really that I to my to my knowledge had experienced with it. So they can ut to visit me, and we were just hanging out and talking and uh they started they started telling me about this this strange activity uh nearby, well not nearby, but at their at their place. And I thought at first they were just messing with me. I thought they were just either they're great people, they're they're they're funny to me. Uh, they definitely would play a joke on me for fun, you know it. But after a while they kept they kept talking and I'm thinking to myself, like, okay, joke feels kind of kind of over and and they're like, well, I'm becuz we're not joking. They had told me, uh several I mean several experiences, uh that are kind of ongoing, I guess you could say. So after I after I

15:06 kind of realized that they weren't messing with me, and they weren't playing a joke and it wasn't necessarily funny anyway. Uh. I got obsessed. I started watching. I found your channel, I found uh, I found a fast watch SiO channel and I and I could not stop watching, And honestly I still can't stop watching. Probably uh uh maybe a week A week afterward. I was after I after they had came and talked to me, I was super curious. I couldn't get anything out of my mind. I was just it was just all I could think of. So, I this is gonna sound crazy, and I don't I don't know if anyone believes me when I even say this, But I walked out my front door. And I lived near a lake. I live on a lake actually, and on the other side of my road is a large wooded field. So I walked out to my mailbox. I stood there for about five minutes just staring.

16:23 Into the dark. I couldn't really tell you why. I just was staring, and I had the oddest feeling just it wasn't it wasn't bad. I didn't feel scared necessarily more anxious, I guess. And I looked across. I looked across the super dark other side of the road, and I just said, is that you? And when I did not a. Second past and a tree knock rang through what felt like my head, my neighborhood. I was surprised that no one else here, if they could, I immediately was super scared.

17:06 I was like, I messed up. I don't know what I'm getting myself into. Basically, I'm a I'm a I'm an army veteran, so not everything scares me. But I straight ran the thirty feet back into my house. That was my very first experience. The uh after that, it just up until now even uh nothing I can nothing, I. Can pinpoint nothing, you know, no. Visual sighting, but lots of lots of like glunts as I walk around I guess you could say glunts as I walk around the lake for just your you know, regular exercise, and so you know that's just my my little beginning, but it just kind of brings the question for me, at least when you start looking for them, do they start looking back?

18:09 I think when yes, It's kind of like the story everyone shares is when you get that new car and you're focused on it, you're going to start seeing all the other cars that are the same model, Right, you start focusing and then yeah, you're gonna notice, Oh, that's kind of a weird wood knock, or the tree got pushed over, or it smells weird around here, or hey, this story I heard happened five minutes away from my house. And are so are you from? Like, and we don't have to get super specific, but it's like south of Saint Louis like that weird area. Yep, Yeah, that area is crazy. I mean what like is a Saint Francois County. I've heard some stuff from there. I mean you've got Mark Twain and all that crazy stuff.

18:54 So yeah, Mark Twain is pretty busy. Yeah. So is it a thing where you are are actively going out and and trying to look for stuff or you're just kind of noticing stuff around maybe your property? Uh, A little bit of both. When I have time, I go out I spend a lot of time with those guys you know down south as well, So, uh, you know, it's a it's a it's a. Mix of bowl gotcha, gotcha, and just curious because you know you've had you've heard the stories too. So when you talk about the things that are happening at the greenhouse property, is there one experience or or story associated with that that sticks out that you might be able to to share.

19:50 Uh? Yeah, I mean I don't want to. I don't want to tell all their stories. I'm sure that at they. Want to talk to you as well. But uh, probably probably the very first one from the guy when he when he told me his his first sighting, it wasn't it was a full on I think you guys call him a class a encounter. Uh. That he was working out in his greenhouse. He was paying no attention I guess to to basically anything else.

20:34 I don't know exactly what he was doing, but I guess he walked out and something something maybe whistled at him. He looked up and I guess something you know, maybe nine eight or nine foot is what he said. I can't remember exactly, stepped out of the woodline, looked looked him dead in the eyes, and Ordad and m and then turned around and walked away. He ran inside, obviously, and he's not a small guy. He's not a small guy. By he ran inside and was almost you know, couch ridden for a couple of weeks.

21:18 It seemed like, wow, oh my goodness. Yeah, that dad, and he has he has experience with another type as well. Uh that that does sometimes mess with his greenhouse. That has definitely damaged his greenhouse. And and that's as far as I'll say for that. Right, Some some things, some things are so friendly. No, I I totally get it. You need to have your your wits about you and be aware of what's going on out there, because you know, sometimes it can be super friendly. Sometimes you just you got to be ready for anything. So man, yeah, I I appreciate you coming out, and thank you for helping me test to make sure that this is running and you know, hopefully we can have some good times over here.

22:07 But yeah, thank you, thank you so much. Man, appreciate you coming up and sharing your encounter, and thank you for listening to the show. No problem, man, you have a good rest of your. Day, you too. All right, Well, there we go. Fantastic Missouri. So I got to get a little little thing to hold my phone because that's going to get that's going to get pretty not comfortable. I believe I got another call, so I'm going to check with that person. Here. We're going to give this individual a callback here. Hi, is this Rebecca Awesome? Yeah, I was giving me a callback.

22:56 Thank you for calling in. I'm just trying to see if I can do a call on show. And it sounds like it worked. And so were you calling in with the Bigfoot story you've got? Yeah, yes, I really was taken by it. I don't know what questions you have. Let's start with if you want to, you know, share your experience how it started out, if you feel comfortable with sharing the area of the country or in the time frame and all that good stuff. Sorry, it happened about two or three years ago. At the time, I was teaching kindergarten and I'm retired now, and I usually take about sixty e's you know, because it's right in front of my house into Charleston. It's about a thirty five minute ride, and then you have a thirteen.

23:46 Minute ride from where I live to any kind of town, you know, it's. I called You're in the woods kind of it's kind of out and I was setting up a hill and it was really dark, and this bigot came out of nowhere and I had never He was brownish collared, reddish brownish, and he was running towards my car and he was like in the stripes in the middle of the road. He was chasing something and he got really close to my car, and I mean just right there. I just I had a really good look at him, and he looked very he was tired. He was chasing something, maybe a deer, and he couldn't catch.

24:29 It in My car was in the way, so he. Started running down the middle of the road towards my car, but he didn't touch me. I just got a really good look, and I was startled by the time I got to work and just sat there. I want to work early to get things done in the classroom, and I couldn't get anything done because I couldn't believe what I had seen. You know. So that's the story, and I couldn't believe it. I was telling everybody I just saw Bigfoot. So I never thought about ever seeing one. Said a little bit of research on him. I found out the pretty intelligence, the pretty smart I think the government had captured one if I'm right, and he escaped. But I could tell this was a male and he just looked really hot and really tired.

25:16 To face. He had the facial expression of just tired, you know he was because he was whatever he was pursuing was getting away. I'm I'm a believer now, totally, totally. You cannot. I know what I thought, and it's it just makes me wonder about them because they know about us. We know less about them. Because they are so they'd like to not be seen, you know, because I guess they. Fear us in some sort of what sort of way? I know they're very territorial. That's all I have to say that. Thank you for sharing that. That's incredible. Is that Charleston, West Virginia.

25:57 Well, Charleston is where I fought. I am from. I was living in Cologning, which is thirty five minute drive, you know, and it's kind of one of the country road mostly, And yeah, it's. Close to Charleston. Okay, And how long would you say that you were able to look at it for? Oh? I had a really good look at him. I wasn't scared. I was more startled because he was running down the middle of the road towards my car, and you know, like the strikes of the middle of roads, and I could have hit him and he could have got you know, he just ran towards me. But he didn't hit my car. I mean, he would have told him he because I was one pretty fast and but he I would say, I got a good three or four second look at him.

26:45 I mean I got a full bough and look at him, you know, and I saw the expressions. It's just almost like human like the face, you know, and he had the auburn brownish hair, you know. But he didn't seem to me like he was after me or anything. I just kind of caught him in the middle of pursuing whatever he was pursuing. Yeah, absolutely, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't afraid of him. He just startled me, you know. Oh yet, and I never thought about him. I do believe in him now, I mean totally. And there has to be moms, I mean, you know, females and males until you know, teenagers, I mean, they have to have families like we do. They just are very uh what would you call it recluse right exactly. You know, we're kind of going in their territory, you know, and when you get close to them, they start making no noises, knacking up. That's what I hear here.

27:42 That makes sense. Didn't have a certain way of running. Did you notice anything weird about the way it was running down the road? He was running really fast towards me, just like a human went run. He was just like he looked like he because he was taller than my car. So I would say he's good. At least, thanks for Okay, gotcha. Very clearly in my head life and the side of my car. What kind of what kind of car were you in? I have a Nissong and then I have a cat bac now, but I have a Nissan in twenty nineteen Nissan Ultimum. Okay, so so you you are in a four door Sedan type deal.

28:25 Yeah, so then. You're you're there, and from from how you were sitting in the car, like, what were your what was your viewpoint at? Was it far enough away that you were able to see all of it when it was running towards you. I saw him running towards me, and I saw he's right beside my car. Okay, you know, I mean he just ran. I got good look at him. Gotchas running in the middle of us. And our driver's side is in the you know, on that side where the strikes are. And that's why I song. That's how a song. Yeah, I got a good look at him. And you mentioned kind of startled. Absolutely, I would be too.

29:05 You mentioned you saw some emotions in its face. Well, he looked as if he was he was panting, you know, he taught. You could tell he was really running and what he was taking something. And I got my car got in away, so he ran down the middle of the road. He didn't I guess he opted. Not to cross it in kind of my car because one. Process it would have told him my car out and would have heard him pretty bad. Oh, it would be really bad. Yeah, do you I remember so you said it was only for a few seconds, But do you remember any features of the face, like if you were to tell. It was a blake, okay, like him like to like a cross between both you know, I mean, because of this how he was so you could tell he was.

29:52 Taught, and he was running fast, you know, and he he just think he was panting, you know, and so he had, you know, expression on his face, and he wasn't even patting any attention to me. He just got out the way to the car, you. Know, and kept on towards my car the side of it. Yeah. Absolutely, there was no car coming his way, so he was he was trying. To get across the street, I think, and my car got in a way. I startled, and I'm pretty sure I did. What was the number one thing you remember about him that made you think, Yeah, what I'm looking at is a big foot and not just a really big human.

30:35 Hair and how big he was and just the face had no hair, you know, not as much hair. He just looked. I mean his expression was human like, you know, and he's just big, he said so much that they have hair, and the color of his hair was like an auburn redish brown, you know. Okay, yeah he was. I wasn't. I was just so startled. I mean, I'm lucky I made to work, you know, and off that. Deal that I was, Oh, I'm sure, like, how did this? How did this affect you afterwards? After this experience? I have Air Force training. I'm retired Air Force, you know, I know how to react in rough situations, you know, and I kind of got a hold of myself, you know, so okay, keep going, just don't look back. You know, he'd have to run after me. Began out of thinking.

31:27 I think my car will go faster than he could. You know, if I had to, I get out running. Sure, Sure would you ever want to have an experience like this? Again, it wasn't bother me at. All, because it didn't he didn't seem like I mean, I don't you know, I can't since the sense of spirit because it's so quick. But I mean, I think that it's how we approach them, you know, we approached them. We start the very I think they're territorial, and you know that's why the guys on the prior to me, he said he heard the banging and things like that. Maybe he built somewhere where they live. You know, we're close to and they're very territorial because they protect their families just like we do, you know, and they have that the deer that's their food and they're meat eaters.

32:23 You know. I just think sometimes we're going in their territory and they really don't know us, because I think they're afraid of us, you know. It would be nice if somehow we could contact them and you know, use their language to let them know where out there to hurt them. But I'd like to see more studies on it. But I don't think that. I think the government taught one one time. I don't know about I heard about. It, you know, I've heard stories like that as well. Absolutely right, and I don't know. If that's true. And they took him to Greenland or with the Greenland and he escaped, so also they go through portals. I don't know. I don't know that much about it.

33:07 There's a lot of a lot of information out there. I've talked to a few guys in the military, a few veterans, and I mean about things they've experienced, and it was so intense they didn't end up coming on the show because. Well, yeah, I mean they're scared. It's serious of us. If we are Aventah, it's a more circle of us because we carry weapons and they don't. You know, they carry I mean they carry sticks and they can put down pull down trees, you know, because they're very strong. But I think they're afraid of. Us, you know, that's why their recluse.

33:49 I think at some times you're You're absolutely right. Was it? Another question I had for you was so you mentioned that there is no hair on the face. Was the rest of it covered in here? Then? Yeah? Oh yeah? All over his body? Yes, Yes. I didn't get a good look at his hands. I just you know, his upper tors so I saw his body running from me. But I got a really good look at his face and was on in his front. Yeah, he was, Harry, very Harry. Absolutely. The last thing I want to ask you is have you ever done any looking around to see if there's other people that have had similar experiences where you had your experience?

34:29 No, because people here just don't believe me. They laugh, you know, and I'm like, Okay, well, I know I saw. I saw what I saw, and I know the area. One time I had came through there around five in the morning and I saw cows laying all over the road, so that that kind of surprised me. On each side of the road, they weren't in the road, they were on the side of the road. So the man that had those cows right in his pasture, somehow they got out of that pasture and they were all dead, and I had to go around them. Oh, I remember that one more. Really dark, you know. Yeah, so they were not alive and they were all over the place on the side of the road. No, And I wanted to go up to just because it's up on the hell, you know, and say, hey, your ChEls are lad in the roads here on the sides of the road. But I did not. Just went on to work because I have, you know, twenty one singergardeners.

35:22 I have to see the house. But oh no, you know, I have seen a lot. Those are the two things I ran on patting or so. That's that is some wild, wild stuff. Rebecca, thank you so much for for coming up and for sharing your experience. You're welcome, and thank you for listening to the show. I appreciate it fantastic. Well, this is working out pretty good. It's working out really good. I do need to get one of those I need to get a little thing I can put my phone on, because that's going to get uh, that's going to get kind of rough. Not that it's a word thing, but you know, I'll just put a little tripod there. I wanted to Where is it? John? Thank you so much for your five dollars donation. Love your show too. Appreciate that man. Thank you the bigfoot Dwarf for being a great mod right now, he's taking care of business. Hi Luienne, Hi, Hi, this is Jeremiah.

36:24 How are you, Hi, Jeremiah, I am fine. Hey, awesome. Feel free to share what's on your mind there. Okay, well this just happened yesterday. Now I live on the Cumberland Plateau where you were recently allegedly. Allegedly. I don't know who told you, queen. Yeah, we were traveling between Sparta and Cross Yes, ma'am, just on Highway seventy okay, broad daylight, and all of a sudden, the traffic starts walking up. You know, you're the uh little airport there, municipal Airports. We're like, what is going on? Is it an accident?

37:06 And so we get, you know, closer up and we move and they start telling us we need to go, you know, the. Cops, that we need to go on a back road. And we look and a tree that is green with leaves, not. A rotten old tree. And mind you, we have not had any weather of any kind for a week okay at all. This tree is. Pushed over onto the power line over the highway and I'm just like now you do the math. What makes a. Green full of green leaves tree get pushed over like that when there's not a breeze, there's been no weather, just out of the blue.

37:57 That's wild. I mean that it makes you really think, because that area is so wild for activity, as. You know, I think somebody had to be in their bonnet and decided to give a little. Back to mankind. M somebody got ped, you know, and decided to push over a tree. Because there's no other way that happened. So I just thought, I just thought. I'd let you know I appreciate so between Sparta and Crossville just recently, right, yes, yesterday, Oh my goodness. Well, well, well there you go. Listeners should be aware of that area and who knows what's out there in the woods.

38:39 Maybe pushing stuff happens. So thank you for coming in for calling in, ma'am. Sure, no problem, Jeremiah. Yes, ma'am. Oh my goodness. Well there we go, okay, And yeah, I will say the Cumberland Plateau is pretty wild. Alleged good stuff. My name is Gary Saunders. I grew up in a small town in the Arbuckle Mountains and my dad, my dad, he was more or less my mentor growing up in the woods. At the age of three, I was coon hunting, so I've been all over the mountains down there. But my dad told me a story back in about nineteen sixty five. This is before all the bigfoot craze was out, and this story involved a creature that he could not identify.

39:53 Him and my uncle they were coon hunting. They had four or five hounds with them and they were they were in the Arbucca Mountains and they were going across a field that had briars that my dad said that they had to use lights to get through. In Oklahoma, briar patches are crazy. And he said they made it through the briars and they and they got into the woods and the hounds took off, and he said, about twenty minutes later they were about a quarter mile into the woods. He said, all the hounds come back to them with the tails tucked between their legs. He said, he told my uncle that he was he was heading back to the truck. Something wasn't right. He said that, he said they were. They kept hearing things behind them, and he said he turned around, turned around at one sound and he saw He said he saw what it looked like to be an eight or nine foot tall man standing behind beside a tree. So they they took off and he said, whatever this thing was was following them through them briars with no light on, he said.

41:20 He said they were having trouble getting through them, and he said, this this thing was wrapped behind him. So they they made it back to the truck. Everything he said he didn't he didn't see it. See it again. But the interesting thing about this story is this was before all the Bigfoot craze. I think the reason my dad told me this story, it wasn't to scare me. It was to let me know that there was things out in the woods that he didn't understand. And that's what scared me because because my dad, my uncles, they they lived in the woods, They lived fishing on the river, they hunted on the river all down through there. So I mean, this this made me think. And then all this stuff coming out about Bigfoot later, it was kind of crazy because I mean, this was before he told me this, before Bigfoot sighting in California. Also another incident, him and my uncle were hunting in another place and there's an old boy scout cabin up there. He said, about two o'clock in the morning, he heard what he

42:50 thought was a double bit axe hitting a tree. And this is out in the middle of nowhere. He said. He got up, got his light and walked around every tree around the place trying to figure out where this sound was coming from, and he never heard it. So down in that area there is it's just forced for all you can for as long far as you can see. Another interesting thing as my great uncle, he was a government trapper back in the day, and I mean he was all over the woods. He had I mean he collected Indian artifacts and he probably had I don't know, ten thousand Indian artifacts. But my dad told me that one day he saw him down at the store and he told my dad and my uncle that he was done trapping. He said, if if they wanted his traps to go get them off the trap line, he wasn't going back anymore. So something had scared him. I'm not

44:22 sure what it was, but he would never talk about it, and my grandfather said that he wouldn't even tell him what was going on. So there's something in that area that I don't know what it is, but it's there's definitely something there. And I have hunted and walked up where my dad and uncle were on the mountains when my dad heard that knocking sound. And you can go up through there and about a half mile up the creek, everything just goes quiet, no bird sounds, nothing, and you always feel like something is watching you up through that area.

45:19 I don't hunt at night anymore. It's been years and years since I've been coon hunting, and I probably ain't gonna go back anymore because the woods aren't the place to be at night anymore. And why would you say that the woods aren't the place to be at night anymore? Is that because of the stories that you heard growing up or was there another situation that laid into that. It's a combination of both. I mean, there's been too many sightings that and all these people can't be wrong.

46:05 And it's not only that in this area here there's there's a not only do you have that, but you also have a big cat sidings and now we're getting bear coming into this area and the wild hogs. So it's just better stay out of the woods at night. That makes sense, I mean. And and even on top of that, I mean it's not a thing we focus on in this show, but if you listen to other cryptid shows this the area of Oklahoma, it's not just Bigfoot. There's other you know, cryptid things down there, as people seeing dogmen down there.

46:48 There's all sorts of really weird stuff. And then there's you know, I mean, I'm looking at the map of where you are, and I remember hearing a story where closer to the Texas border, there's an area where like tigers have gotten loose from game farms, and now you know, people have to be allegedly looking for tigers in the area down by the river, and that's one of the WMA's down there, I think. But so Gary, you you know, your background is you're an outdoorsman, hunter, fishermen, and you're also a veteran. So how old were you when you first started hearing these stories from your father?

47:31 Well, I'm sixty six years old and I was about five years old. Okay, So this was back in nineteen sixty five, and I believe, I believe the California Bigfoot come out in sixty seven. Yeah, so the main you know, that that main big push that most people know Bigfoot for was the Patterson Gamblin film in sixty seven, So it is it is prior to that, which is pretty amazing. So when you were growing up and you're hunting and fishing down in these areas in Oklahoma, you know, how did hearing these stories as a really young child, how did that affect you as you started to grow up into an outdoorsman?

48:19 Well? Right, at first, it really didn't affect me. I mean I still went hunting, fishing, camping. But then then later in life, you know, all these sightings started coming out, and that's what kind of got me what thinking about all this? You know, there's I mean, now you can't hide anything, you know, I mean, it's all out and open. People have cameras and video footage of all this. So then I started, you know that that's what starts affecting me.

49:04 Okay, I don't know if the. Government's governed this up or why they would, but I mean people need to know that there's things out in the woods that you know, they may be friendly or they may not be. I mean, I'll tell you this much. I've talked to at least one park ranger off record that has regular encounters with these things. Maybe we'll have a. There's a lot of individuals that say that are like, give me a rain check for when I'm retired, and Gary, the amount would really make your head spind but you probably can imagine it's a large amount. It's wild. It's just absolutely wild. What so you're you're in this area, and.

49:53 What's the most have you heard recently any people having encounters still in this area or is it a thing where you know, it's been a while since you've heard things. It's been a while. I've got a buddy, he manages ranch and he haunts hogs, and he's really not said anything. You know, he hasn't saw anything down in that area, and he's pretty much out there, probably two or three nights a week, i'd guess, hunting dogs. But I believe there's something out there. I mean, if you look at the history of Oklahoma and look the chalk Taw, Bigfoot or that wasn't far from here from where I'm at now, then you've got hanobia incident?

50:46 Do you acts? Absolutely? And there might be some people that do not know of the uh And there's a few ways to say, I haven't been there yet, but I know that there's hope now be there's there's anobia. Uh, and that's a whole that's a whole conversation itself. But what is when you think of the the situations that they have dealt with down there, Uh, what what is your understanding of what happened in the. Area. Well, the guy down there, there was two families, two brothers in there, and these things started appearing. And and not only did these two guys see it, but the guy's granddaughters and his whole family member. I guess they saw these things. And these guys they were I guess they were coaching deer, and these things started robbin nur freezer.

51:54 Well then it turned into a shooting war, and and they they that they kill one and we're going to go out and look at it. And four others jumped out from the woods and took off. With this, saying, so, yeah, it is. It is one of the most intense stories. And you know, of course it was. It happened early two thousands, I believe, so more than twenty years from you know, it's twenty six right now, twenty twenty six. It's very interesting. I've never been to the area. I hope to go someday, but I actually had a gentleman on the show a month or so ago, and he was telling me he owns a cabin in the area. And so one of the main parts of the whole now story is that they were trying to get into the cabin to get to they thought to get to like the woman children, right, and they were trying to get in there, and that's really what things got bad. So the thing is is that current day, twenty twenty six, I talked to an individual where there are there's there's a point where there was a bigfoot that actually tried to get it, tried to get into his cabin, open the door. They see it around the property. But he's also talked to other

53:25 people in the town where they are trying to get into their houses as well. So this is not just a thing where it happened back twenty years ago. In a way, the siege is still going on, but maybe a little different than than the original. It's a it's a wild, wild story. Maybe maybe I. Could say a few few different areas around Oklahoma, and just curious if you've ever heard of any any stories or anything, and if you haven't, that that's no sweay. Oklahoma has so many, so many interesting places. Have you ever heard of anything happening down by the Thackerville area in the Red River of Oklahoma? No, I haven't, Okay, And how thow McGee Creek?

54:20 Gee Creek is not far from here. I think McGhee Creek areas right in that area is where the chalk Taws had their war with the big Feet. Got you? And have you ever heard of anything happening around the Lake Texoma area? And I know that's a huge area, but uh, there's a lot going on down there. There's a recent recent siding down by Durant, which is not far from Texoma. I guess they were on a uh where the our line come through. They were down by the lake and and they saw this creature in the cut.

55:14 Yes, I remember that because they were looking around. They were looking across a river at it right right, yep, yep, I do remember that. That was that was a wild one. Have you ever heard of anything happening Let's say, if you were to draw a square from La Floor over to the Arkansas border and then. Down to let's say. Zaffra on the border, and then that goes across to Honabi and Octavia and all that I know that's a big square, but there could be some stuff going on in there.

55:57 I haven't heard of any recent. Sidings, gotcha, gotcha. But if you if you look at the chalk tall uh bigfoot war m hm, the floor, the floor county one of the floors was killed during that and then the rest of the Indians come in and I guess they killed all the Bigfoot there. They were still in women and children, and they had a pile of bones, human bones and stuff. I mean, that's I guess that's chalkdaw legend.

56:40 Yeah, that's that's really wild. I've it's one of those legends where I have talked to individuals where it's like they're on either side. Some people are like, yeah, it's it's totally real. Some people are like, I don't know, could just be a legend, but it's it's it's a fascinating story either way. I think, well, here's the thing on the floor. He uh, he was pretty prominent person during back during them times. He was a. He was a lawyer. So I'm not sure that story don't carry some truth to it. Gotcha. Now, based on.

57:26 What you've heard growing up in this area, So maybe you talk to people over the years and just you know, experiences you've had. Do you have any leaning as to what you personally think Bigfoot might be? There are so so so many different ways to look at what what it is. You know. I have saw reports where uh here samples they took had like human DNA in it. M you know, a lot of people think it's this big gorilla. I don't think that's true. I think maybe the Neanderthals didn't die out.

58:15 Are there another branch of human that we haven't discovered? These things are smart, you know. I think they're a lot smarter than like a gorilla. I would say, uh, one hundred percent, there is. And I think some people get really a lot of humans, I think, uh, a lot of let's let's wear that differently. A lot of people in our culture kind of get a little bit scared or been out of shape if they think or to think that there might be something out there smarter than we are. And I think that we have to get to come to terms with that that there could be absolutely something out there that is either as smart as us or even smarter. Because man, the things that you hear, the accounts that are told, and I mean even experiences where Okay, so there's something out there that can make people freeze or make people walk the way they don't want to. And these go all the way back to Native American stories passed down over the years. It's really wild stuff. But Mike, Goodness, Oklahoma is just so so full of intense, intense things.

59:50 Is this something where you would ever want to have a sighting of it yourself like your father and your uncle did back in nineteen sixty five. I'd like to see it. I don't know how close. I don't want to get to it, but I'd like to, you know, know, one way for the or the other. But I don't think these things are actually smarter than humans. I think they just have a different way of a different way about them. You know, how they haunt, how they how they. Think right and and you know a few people over the years have contemplated where I think if if they think if you were put out in the woods and with no tech and it was just survival, get food, and it's really just survival. I mean, how your senses would change, what you would focus on, what senses would become even clearer or more defined with with tech and schedules out of the way. I mean, it's it's definitely something to think about. But I had more than a few people talk to me about that before.

1:01:06 So I think whatever these are have evolved with capabilities that we don't have. I mean, how did they hunt deer, you know, with no weapons? Right right exactly? And I mean, man, I've heard some I think the wildest thing I've heard come out of Oklahoma as a gentleman I talked to I'm not going to say his name because I can't remember if I used it in the interview, is years ago where he had heard a story coming out of southeast Oklahoma. The guy was up in his tree stand and he saw these bigfoot chasing some hogs below them, and one took a hog it up and swung it against the oak tree and broke his back to kill it. As just wild. I mean, you hear stuff like that, just breaking backs and you know, ripping limbs off deer and stuff that's like really kind of hard to hear, right, I mean, but it's it's really intense survival stuff when you think about it.

1:02:22 So also, uh, there's a podcast about over in Missouri and this old farmer he you know, he said he found deer with broke legs. They just bront broken legs, you know, just hobbling around. I know exactly what you're talking about. I mean, if you think about it, that's pretty smart. You know, if coming to her deer and you're able to kill, you know, kill one to eat, and then you crippled two or three more for kind of like refrigerator, you know, the wooden refrigerator exactly.

1:03:05 And I'm guessing, are you talking about miguel sasquatch theory, the killing fields down. In Missouri killing fields? Yeah, exactly. I mean, Oh my goodness, I. I had it. I was going down there with him last. Year and it didn't work out at the last second on my side. So someday, hopefully once I get back out there, that's going to be on the list. Because man, if you I love watching Miguel's videos and they are getting some wild stuff down there. It is a very very intense area down there in Missouri where where that gentleman's property is. But my goodness, Gary, this has been a fun conversation about really southern Oklahoma and and what's going on down there. And I think this is one of those where it might lead to some other people coming forward. You know, if there's people listening that are like, hey, I experienced that in the same area, or I've heard of that, you know, definitely reach out. You can send me an email at Bigfoot Society gmail dot com is the best way to reach me.

1:04:14 But Gary, I want to. Make sure that you were able to share everything that you came to the show to share today. I pretty much it fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming on, sir, and it's been it's been a great kind of break for me from everything that's going on, and I hope it was. It was a good time for you. But feel free to reach out if you ever hear anything else going on down there. All right, I sure will. I keep my ear to the ground around here. This phenomenon kind of I don't know. It just intrigues me. You know, we've got a cryptid out there that I know many many people have saw and we don't know what it is.

1:05:07 I agree, and I hope that someday we're able to figure out what's going on but also keep it safe as well. I think it's that's how I viewed conservation. But thank you, thank you, Yanger. I'm going to go ahead and stop stop recording here, all right, thank you. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet. If you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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