Pennsylvania Police Officer Comes Forward!

0:00 Welcome to the Big FoST Society. In this episode from the archives of talk to Matt Arner, a police officer from Pennsylvania, about what he has found during his bigfoot research in the state in the northwest corner. If you've experienced something similar to what Matt has or have more information regarding bigfoot in this area of Pennsylvania, please reach out to me immediately after this episode. And if you've had an encounter and'd like to be on the show, please contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. And if you want even more Bigfoot Society, check out Patreon dot com forward slash Bigfoot Society where you can become a member and get extra episodes every single week. Now, let's get on with the show, all right, Big Fat Society, thanks for coming back for another episode. I've got mister Matt Arner with me tonight. How's it going, Matt, It's going well tonight, So I'm really looking forward to talking to you. Yeah, and likewise, I'm excited to talk to you.

0:54 You're out there in this northwest Pennsylvania right, Well, I'm actually I live in the Poconos, which is northeast Pennsylvania, but my base of operations is northwest Pennsylvania. We have a cabin out there. We do a lot of research out there. It still hasn't been developed like the Pennsylvania Poconos are, so we still have some very very remote areas with a lot of historical activity and some ongoing activity as well. Research area Northwest. You live out in the Poconos out there by Scranton and all that good stuff on the noise Absolutely yeh, which is cool. So your bigfoot researcher, is there anything else that you would want the audience to know about yourself that will help lay the foundation as well to really kind of give a good viewpoint of where I'm coming from. I've worked eighteen, well nineteen years with the police department I'm with now within another two years prior experience. I am a detective. I'm a certified crime scene technician, so I know about physical evidence. I'm also very good with interviewing people and speaking with people. The truth detector really kind of goes on and off when I'm when I'm talking to witnesses. The other thing too, that I really try to emphasize more is I am an outdoorsman,

2:27 so I grew up in the outdoors. I spend quite a bit of time either out at my cabin or in my hammock tan bivouac out in some of these wild areas and it's been a blast. So I do. What I really try to do is show people how to be safe when they're going out to do Bigfoot research, especially in an area where there's no cell service, the terrain is is not very good. You know, there's all there risks involved, such as rattlesnakes. Where I go, they're all over the place. So letting people know about that kind of stuff. Along with my training as a police officer detective, I'm really I'm kind of more more of a bugger about safety and public you know, keeping the public safe more than anything else. But in the same vein also getting outside areas to do this research that is is fascinating. You don't get too many times able to talk to especially you know, people that are police officers, detectives and also in a bigfoot Usually you talk to those guys after they're retired and then they're going to tell you all all what's going on? Is there anything weird? Like you know, when you came out and your buddies started to find okay,

4:00 this guy is also the bigfoot guy. Was there anything like that or you know. The funny thing was was that I really started telling the guys about ten years ago, so I was still relatively not quite a rookie, but you know, just between that rookie to experienced officer stage, and it's still still love to get a lot of ribbing. But I had that one person that we worked with, he was actually with another agency, and he pulled me aside and he says, hey, Matt, I really do believe in this stuff. And he never had any encounter, but he's kind of in the same boat where he heard so many you know, witnesses, you know, talking about what they saw, and he said, this is compelling.

4:49 You know, why are people putting their reputations out on the line stating that they saw something that should not exist or mainstream science does not does not believe exist. And just from hearing that, that was kind of a boost of confidence with me. Now we still kept it quiet. I still don't really advertise about it, but you know, some of the guys in the in the department, Yeah, there's the one guy who keeps making fun of me, saying, oh, it's you know, you know, bigfoots driving a car, Bigfoot's running away. But then I do have a few other guys that you know, would come to me and say, hey, you know what, you know, it's a good thing that you do on the weekends.

5:33 One thing that I'll say, I didn't really want to get too much into the police work, but the one thing is is we just had an officer Wellness trade and the one of the things that they emphasize is having a hobby outside of outside your work. So this does uh And we'll go into it a little more about some of the things that I do that are kind of you know, like what I do at work, but at the same vein I'm not thinking about work. So having this as a hobby actually helps in the long term, whether you're out there doing bigfoot research, if you're out there just doing wildlife research, just being out there and you know, disconnected, you know, is just a god send for our mental health.

6:25 As in law enforcement, military, other first responders, firefighters, EMTs. I've talked to several people and in that first responder community, in the military community, and again, you know, being out there in the woods, there's no other cure for you know, just kind of you know, letting that stress go. I agree, one hundred percent. Everyone needs something to do outside of the nine to five or you're gonna go nuts. So absolutely that I found that. You found that, and it's got to be cool. You know, You're hopefully one day you'll be at the office and you'll get that weird call in from someone, Hey I saw something, and you're yeah, I got this one, boy, yeah yeah. Nine our ears more urban. However, however, I I did get a call one time for a possible mountain lion that was that was in our town, so I followed up with the interview. I think it was a misidentification. We do have fairly large bobcats that are in the area, but it was still kind of neat to do that. That's awesome, mat whenever I have someone on, I'm always curious to know how you started to get into the whole Bigfoot thing to begin with. So was it a shore where you were a little

7:56 kid getting into Bigfoot or what what brought you into it? Well, the one thing is is I've always had an interest in it, and my parents really didn't know. They you know, I was the last of the siblings, so I kind of, you know, went off and did my own thing. But they knew I was into the outdoors and you know, watching scary movies and stuff like that, but they didn't really know specifically about Bigfoot. My I grew up in a in a Navy family, so you know, we were always connected with the bases and such. And I remember the one night we went out to the U to the Navy base and they had a movie, you know, family movie night. One of the movies was The Legend of Boggie Creek, and the other movie, which I didn't know the name of it, I just and I still kind of don't know the name of it, but you'll know which one it is. Uh, the Ivan Marx movie that he made about Cripplefoot, which was kind of you know, but anyways, it was a very interesting fil and those films kind of got me into it. When I was ten years old, I actually we're given a class project of what you know, I think I was in, like I don't know, third or fourth grade, what you want to do when you when you grew up, And so I wrote this life story that I was going to be a park ranger, which isn't that far from what I'm doing right now, and that I would be looking for Bigfoot. And I actually had a picture of a bigfoot. So I still have a copy

9:28 of that. It's on It's on my personal Facebook page. I always put that up every so often. But I wrote this when I was, you know, ten years old, in nineteen eighty two. So anyways, you know, I did have that strong connection. Now where we lived, we lived in like a southeastern part of Pennsylvania. It's not what I thought was not a squatchy area. However, my mom was working a like in like a not really an evening shift, but she was going out from five to five pm to ten pm to work at her job and on the way.

10:09 And this was in the nineteen eighties. I remember her coming back home almost immediately. This happened in the wintertime, and she told my she told all of this, but she went to my dad and said, I saw a monster crossing the road out by the industrial park. So the way my mom described it, and I'll just give you a little thing about my mom. My mom was she grew up in the coal mine area here in Pennsylvania. It's almost like you know how you would envision like West Virginia in the hardcore areas, they were always you know, just kind of I wouldn't say backwards, but they you didn't get the exposure to some of the things that you would have in the cities. But she described the monster as she saw it as almost like a hippie, like like some hippie long haired monster thing that that crossed the road in about two steps. At first, I was, you know, I was like, yeah, you know what you know, come on, Dad, let's go out there. And he said, no, no, no, you got to stay here. I'm gonna drive out with your mom. They went out, they didn't find anything. But my mom is not one to lie about anything like this. So the more I started when I got older, you know, we always knew about the monster story. You would always tell her about it, you know, say, hey, tell me what you remember about the monster. Well, it looked like a hippie, you know, it looked like it looked like one of those rock people, you know, with the long, strictly hair and everything.

11:45 But the more I started looking into this is we were close to New Jersey, We're close to the Pine Bearns, and there have been historical sightings from the Pine Bearns and from what I found out is that that you would lead over to Pennsylvania. So that was really kind of the I guess, you know, I did have that momentum going and this was just kind of the push to really kind of get me into this. Now again, this is in the nineteen eighties. I'm still a young kid. I thought about you know, bigfoot, you know, when I was growing up, when I was in high school college. It wasn't until like the nineteen nineties that the Internet started, you know, really getting popular, and I would go on the old BFRO site. I'd go on Eric Altman's had a wonderful setup with the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society at the time, and they always had the link if you want to becoming an investigator, you know, send us an email.

12:48 I always did. I never heard anything, but I did find that there was a lot of interesting sightings that happened. Not only were where I had previously lived the previously lived, but where I had moved up to in the Poconos. So as I'm going through, I'm finding that you know, uh, they were seeing this, you know up in the you know, Monroe County, in Luzerne County, in Scrugle County, and I'm like, oh my god, I live in these areas, you know, I know these areas pretty well, so around and again, I still kind of kept interest and I'd watch the you know what, like you know, any of the Unexplained Mysteries, you know, those type of shows. But it wasn't until I had a friend of mine that started a paranormal group. They wanted to know, if I want to go ghost hunting, do you feel as a Bigfoot researcher, what's the difference between researching bigfoot in that area time when there was hardly any internet as opposed to today where there's almost overload of information.

14:01 Yes, you don't know where to look because these reports could be anywhere. Yes, Like how is that? What's the difference there? That must be so interesting to know both of those worlds. It was, And again I really kind of got more into it towards the late nineties. Now I love this person the death. He is the godfather of Pennsylvania research, Stan Gordon. But like, if you go on like Stan Gordon's website, like you know, like on some of the older websites, it's just like it was back in the nineteen nineties, you know, and I love the guy.

14:43 He is, like I said, he is the godfather of Pennsylvania crypto and UFO research. He is, he is the man. But yeah, you know, like I said, seeing you know, some of the sites, they were those old you know, we're you just had the you know, the replies on it, almost like an old message board. You would just click on the reply or click on the on the link it would take you to, you know, basically like a text blurb of what the sighting was. But you know, back then, we didn't know too much about you know, what to do, and that kind of led me into what happened in the early two thousands before really the big explosion of bigfooting really hit the internet. And we again we had no idea, you know, we weren't out there doing wood knocks. We heard them, you know, but we didn't really know that in other parts of the country that they were you know, they were attributing you know, these wood knocks to you know, a possible you know, would a bigfoot. Again, what we were looking for was mostly just tracks, which in Pennsylvania is very hard to find because of the way the soil is just following up with sightings, citing reports and on the occasional there was one time back in the early two thousands where we believe we found a nest, but we weren't. We really didn't have a whole lot of information at that time to really conclude what this was. In

16:18 the early two thousands, then I got involved with the with the Ghost Time group. What they said was, hey, we're getting these reports of weird things happening in the in the woods. And they knew that I was, you know primarily you know, I love to be outdoors, so they said, hey, can you look into this. Absolutely, So there were quite a few times that we took the paranormal group out and they would be out there with the MF detectors and the you know. But yet, on the other hand, one thing that I learned from them was using the use of the voice recorders, and what they would do is they would have the voice recorders up, you know, with the parabolic mic listening for anything. And this is something that they brought from the our normal side to the crypto cryptozoological side. So that in itself was kind of like a breakthrough for me.

17:07 I started reading more and more about, you know, different things that could be done. There were some things that I learned from work, and again it just kind of went from there. Did you find there was a time when you get back home, you're going over your recorded audio and you picked up stuff that you hadn't heard at the time you were recording it. Yes, at the time. I mean there's some audio files that I wish I still had because they were on other computers and such. But there were times that we would sit there and I would tell them right off about, hey, this is a pack of coyotes there are calling, or hey this is a fox. Those are generally what the animals are that make sounds like that in the Pennsylvania whist. But then there was a few times that again we would think that it may have been a fox, But then you get you just listen to the tone and the volume and the you know how that call is being expressed, and there's no way that you know, a sixteen seventeen pound fox is going to make that allowed and that deep of a scream.

18:32 There was also other calls that we got, especially with the coyote calls, where we would sit there and I say, okay, this is a high pitched yip. This is definitely from a coyote. But then you would get that one call that sometimes it's right before the coyote call, sometimes it's after the coyote call. Where after a couple of years, what did we recognize it as an Ohio call? You know, where you get that drawn out a call being blasted through there was you know, absolutely no way a coyote could have made that call, not to say that they wouldn't. But again, once I heard the original Ohio call from that Matt Moneymaker I actually recorded, I was like, oh my god, this is exactly what we've been hearing. And this was in areas where we did have historical sightings here in Pennsylvania. I would have loved to have been there when you made that realization, when you were like heard Moneymakers, yes call from ninety four, and you're like, I've heard that call. I've yeah, exactly, man, that's great. It was just hearing that like you know, you still get kind of the shivers coming down your back. So you know, I've heard other people talk about, you know, bigfoot in relation to coyote. Do you think there's some sort of like symbiotic back and forth going on there or

20:04 just I it's hard to say. And the one thing is is if we listen to howls that we record. I have some long term uh digital recorders that are up on a few of the mountains ide research and I'll listen to some of these calls. And again we're looking we're listening to the pitch primarily, we're listening to the volume. We're listening to the output of that sound. But when it comes down to it, a lot of people, even some experienced researchers, aren't that sure if it's a coyote, if it's say it's a pack of coyotes, or if it may be a bigfoot. Now the reason I bring that up is if you do get a bunch of coyotes that are making a call that sounds similar to ohio or any other vocalization, you may have another animal, you know, such as such as a bigfoot making a return call, especially when these calls are made at three o'clock in the morning. So I think that's where a lot of that connection between coyotes and bigfoot uh it may come into play. Now again, I I know there's other people that are more well versed that would be able to to, you know, give their explanation that you know, maybe they do travel together.

21:33 But my thing is is that I think that that that whether it's bigfoot with a whatever you want to call it, is returning the call you know, from those coyotes thinking that it may be another creature. And again if it's confused, uh, you know some more experienced researchers where you really have to get down and you know, send it out to the Olympus Project, you know, because you don't know, you know, I would say that, you know, it's also the same with them. They may not understand that, you know, what's being called. They may be aware of the coyotes, but you know, if you do get a coyote making a specific call, they may think that it's one of you know, another one of their creatures calling to them. It's almost like we need to partner with some wildlife biologists that are into the coyote culture and bounce some stuff off. We need to find the guy or the gal who's into wildlife biology, coyote research, slash also a bigfooter. That would be yes, fantastic, absolutely absolutely, I know. Let me know, I know a few hunters, a few coyote hunters that know the coyotes very well, and if I can get one of them to come over on our side, that would be a win win for us. Mentor with big footing is Sean Forker. Sean is a

23:06 great friend of mine. I'm so glad that I met him, and he has been my mentor through through, you know, from the time that I met him, and you know, I know with him, we've talked about some cases where maybe it's not exactly a habituation case, but the creature gets used to or accustomed to, coming onto a property. And there was one or two cases that he investigated not that far from from my research area, where they did have something very similar to it, but the people weren't leaving anything there. What the people were doing was they were leaving their trash out and you know, they would put it in a dumpster that was that was bear proof. But something was still going in and getting this and they did end up seeing something at the dumps which prompted them to contact the PBS and UH and Sean again, you may get into those situations where, uh, you know, a creature does become a little more accustomed to two people than it should. Yeah, it's it's definitely think from what I've heard, you know, you want to be you want to be careful if you're putting out food or leaving out garbage, because sometimes when you stop doing that, you can cause a situation where you've got a pretty angry creature. Absolutely, if it's not a big foot, even if it's a bear, you're in ald of trouble anyways, Oh, absolutely absolutely. And where I live, it's

24:37 funny. We actually, uh, we have so many bears around town. It's uh. The bears even have their own Facebook page. So we've had the bears come in, uh, coming in my yard. You know, even when we're still there. We know how to work with the bears. We know how to live with the bears. But now you're talking about something that has you know, definitely a more intelligence and a bear probably better senses, because bears are basically blind, you know, they they don't see that well. They were lying their sense of smell to basically lead them on their way. But now you're looking at something that even if we don't know the intelligence, we know that they have sharp eyesight, you know. As for the sense detection, I'm not sure, but they're still you know, aware, you know, you're talking about creatures that are If they do sense something like, you know, somebody's putting garbage out, somebody's putting apples out, somebody's putting bird feed out, something that they could eat, they're going to come to it, you know, and it may not always, you know.

25:44 I think the one thing, though, is that they have enough sense that they know to stay away from towns. And there's something about cameras trail camps. They do not like trail camps. And fact, funny story, if you don't mind me telling you, there was a guy that had a big foot sighting not that far from my house, and he was not someone that wanted bigfoot on his property, and it really shook him to the core when he saw what he saw. I do believe what he saw was a bigfoot. I don't believe it was a misidentification. We went out, he showed me basically the branch, you know, that was basically our size frame for this creature. The creature. We're not talking about a ten foot tall piecet, but we're talking somewhere between six and a half to seven feet tall.

26:45 And when he saw this again, it freaked him out. He did not want to want to go back to that back area of the property. So I told him one thing, I said, you don't want bigfoot around. Put up trail cameras everywhere. I said, put forty trail cameras up. Nothing's going to go around. And he said that, you know, since he put that out there, he's heard vocalizations, but he hasn't had anything come onto the property since he started doing that. So again, I don't know if the if it's anything from the infrared, I don't know if it's anything from just hey, you know what, you know. I know these woods really well, and now there's a plastic box on the tree. I don't know what this does. I'm just going to stay away from it.

27:26 I don't know, you know, but it did seem to work. Wow. And that's in northest northeast Pennsylvania. This was in northeast. Yeah, this is this wasn't that far from where I live. Wow. And uh, in fact I drived that area and that's another area where historically has been a very active, active area. In fact, we were just talking about it tonight on Facebook. Uh. Somebody posted in a group about this particular stretch of road and I said, well, you know, and I'm not going to give away where this guy lives because he lived in a specific spot along this area. But there was a creature that for years was called the Suskan Screamer. And with the Suskan Screamer, you know in uh, you know, basically in lure was there was a big wooded area between Pittston and Thornhurst, which is in in the look in the middle of the Poconos.

28:29 In that area, it's all wood, it's all seeking lands, and they would the lure goes was that it was a bride that was jilted on her wedding night and she decided to kill herself and she screams. But then you start reading into it and you start looking and doing a little more research. They've heard these strengths since the eighteen hundreds when they started logging the area out. Along with that, I guess the first side of the Suscan Screamer was it walked on two legs and it had the head of a pig and it was covered with hair. So what do you get with that? You know? And eventually the one story that I linked onto the Facebook group actually towards the end started saying that there were multiple sightings of a bipedal hairy object walking through there. So this has been going on for a long time.

29:32 It's an active area. As for there being a lot of big foot around there, I don't think so. I think there's so many different corridors to so many different places that it's probably just traveling through and just happens to get sighted. But it's definitely a corridor for something. It's just a matter of finding out, you know, narrowing down when it happened, with time of year, with you know, time of day these signings were, and you know, trying to see if you can get that signing replicated, you know through uh you know, just from observation, uh, just going out there hiking, walking, Uh, just passively uh observing And if you knew that they happened in March or April, you know, that's when the bulk of the signings were throughout all these years. That's probably when you're gonna gonna have, you know, a possible encounter or probably have a better look at finding something there. Suscan screamer. That's that's really cool. Is has that been written about in any books that you know of? Uh, it has been in Uh, you know a few of the few of the books. If you google Suscan Screamer. Uh, there's a few articles. Uh, there may be a few links to uh to the books. But it is an interesting uh uh you know. Story. Again, they try to attribute it to, you know, more paranormal, but as you read more and more

31:03 into it, it's starting to go, you know, starting to go into a possible crypto area. I like that, man, It's like, yeah, that only sounds like a bigfoot. Yeah. Another thing I wanted to ask you while we're in northeast Pennsylvania, and if this is like a hoax or something, then yeah, you know, I just excuse my lack of knowledge of the area, but yeah, I always hear this story about northeast Pennsylvania has a white bigfoot or a sighting of a white bigfoot. Is that a thing or is that just now your say I heard there. It's not hearsay. Whether it's a hoax or not, I'm not sure. It was sited up in Carbondale, Pennsylvania, and which is north of Scranton and with Carbondale, I guess it was an apartment complex that was adjacent to the woods.

31:57 They were somebody had seen the saying there was police officers that went out. I don't know if it was the police officer themselves or one of the witnesses that came out and actually videotaped, you know, what they believed to be a white bigfoot. I'm a little up in the air on what it is. You know, could it be a person in a mask? Absolutely? Did they make masks like that back then, because I think it was late nineties, early two thousands. It may have even been earlier than that. I'm not sure, but I don't know. I'm just I'm kind of on the fence on that one. But there were signings of a white bigfoot, and there's no reason why I think that bigfoot can't have different colorations.

32:45 You don't hear about them being all black. You know, you might get one that's brown, you might get one that's tan. It's just like you'd have with bears, bears. People say the Pennsylvania well, the American black bear. You know, I consider the Pennsylvania black bear. But you know that they're all black for the majority of them, ninety nine percent are gonna are going to be black. But they may have white on the crest or or they may have a red or a brown edge of the where the hair is which gives them a different color. You may also have again, uh, we've seen the black bears with other other colors colorization. So you're talking about something where you have a specific genetic pool that's feeding into it. Now again, if you have something like a bigfoot or North American wape, you're going to have a spread of you know, possibly different colors there. So I think white is kind of a uh, you know, a very very uncommon color, but it hasn't been There's been other signings of white bigfoot throughout the country. So I think that if we look into the fact that that bigfoot is uh, you know, a creature that that does exist, there's the possibility that they have different colorizations like that. So you know, like I said, there's so many witnesses that brought about the white Bigfoot or the

34:15 brown bigfoot, the tan bigfoot. So I don't think the colorizations are really that much into play. Yeah, I agree, there's definitely different variants of color I talked to. I've talked to so many Bigfoot witnesses every day. I'm I am convinced, and I will I don't usually take a stand on on stuff, but I'm going to take a stand on this because I've talked to so many people daily in the last three months as I'm trying to get more witnesses to talk on here. It takes a lot of conversations to get to that point. It does. There are so many reports from across the nation, all different areas where the person always says the creature looked reddish brown, and that's weird because it's not red, it's not brown. It's everyone is saying. Most people are saying reddish brown. I'm like, that's weird.

35:15 People keep saying that specific color. It's just it's the weirdest thing, Matt. So it is something I've noticed as I've started to talk to witnesses a lot. Yes, yes, Now, the one my mom talked talked about seeing that was black, you know that was She said that it had that black, greasy, stringy hair. But other people I've talked to have said that they've seen you know, uh, not so much black, but like a brown, and that that was really something that that kind of kind of caught their eye, was the was the color of the hair very interesting? Yeah? Absolutely, you mentioned, you know, we have a mutual friend Sean. He's a great guy. Oh my god. Yes, I've been able to talk to him before. It was a fun chat. And there's got to be a story, a fun story about how you guys initially met in Like, is there some like Matt and Sean's crazy Bigfoot adventure story that kind of thing? Yeah, yeah, there is there is. So this is I must preface this where the intro story to Matt and Sean is actually going to be in print in one way or another, not for me, kay, so ok. But anyway, So what happened was years ago, twoy thirteen was when I first met Sean. So what happened was I

36:50 went to the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society's fall you know, get together, and it was in Quarfield County at Parker Dam State Park, which park has that's an area of again higher significant activity. They had historical activity there, they were having current activity in that area. This was not this was literally like ten minutes away from where Sean had his encounter, the bad encounter. So Sean had made it out there with his with his friends, and I don't know anybody here, you know, everyone's mostly you know from Western PA. Or New York. And I had no idea who who these people were. I talked to them one the computers, but that was about it. I was just there, just have a good time. So I'm walking around trying to trying to talk to these people and I see this, Uh, I see this little guy come up to me and he says, hey, I'm my name's Sean. What's your name? I said, my name's Matt. And that was the start of a wonderful long friendship with him, and and him and his group were so accepting of me, you know, just you know, coming in there being the first time, you know, going to one of one of these major routings with the PBS, and we just you know, I mean, we just all clicked. Now, there was a bad story about this, which Shawn will talk about. He may have already said

38:22 something. It was called the March, the death March. So myself and Dustin, one of one of Sewan's friends who had the the mapping experience, your enteering experience, we said, hey, we're going to take this walk. It's just going to be a short out and back and this is going to be great, you know, We'll take the group. Well, it didn't turn out that way, and a short three mile hike turned into like a ten mile hike and it was like up and down rocks and you know, going through beaver swamps and creeks and everything. And I'm just sitting there like, oh man, I hope, I hope these guys still talk to me after this is that? But anyways, I will say that I took you know, we did about fifty percent, you know, me and dustin between, you know, our credit for you know, misleading them slightly.

39:24 But again, the map system wasn't that great. This is before GPS, you know, like we had GPS, but not the phone. GPS is like you do now. And so anyways, later that night, we decided to go out to the clearing, which is where Sean had his encounter. One thing that I did was before I went out there, I put up a trail camera pointing at the parking lot. And the reason I did that wasn't so much to see if we have a bigfoot that that comes through to parking lot, but it's basically to keep track of the people that were coming back and forth into that area. This was the only way in UH to this area other than for going through a really thick, heavily wooded forest towards uh. You know, we were sitting there, we had a bonfire going, We're we're having a blast. And around eleven o'clock we had Eric Altman and a few others that that that came in and they're out there making calls and doing wood knocks and everything else. But everyone's just having a great time.

40:30 So they leave and we're just sitting around the camp around the fire. Now, we weren't going to spend the night out there, you know, because of the experience that happened previously with Sean, but we wanted to be out there a little bit. So I'm out there, you know, talking to talking to Sean and the rest of the crew, and when he said, you know what, let's let's start heading back. So we decided, you know, we're going to slowly put out the fire. So we're sitting there putting out the fire, and then all of a sudden, from just right outside the woodline, we get this solid whoop and that there. It was funny because me and Dustin, well, Dustin, Dustin's a great guy.

41:12 I love Dustin to death. He is. He is like my mini persona. You know like him and I like, we're like, yeah, you know, we got something. Sean and his other friends they were like, we gotta go. I'm like all right, you know so but that was just such an incredible experience. That whoop that we heard. It was clear, concise, it was loud, There was you know, there's certain owls that can make you know, calls there not really similar, but you know you hear who or. But this was a solid whoop like you would hear from a Gibbons, except if it was a Gibbons. That was you know, four hundred pounds just because of that, you know, that power that went through it. So that was that was our exciting, uh first experience, the first shared experience I had with Sean, and ever since then we've been very close friends. Again, he is my mentor, you know, like I I I've learned so much from Sean and uh, you know, he really is a great guy. I can't talk highly enough about him.

42:22 So, uh, you know, we always always have good times when we when we go out to do research. Absolutely, he's got a they've got a good podcast going too. Absolutely absolutely latch experience right, Yes, yes, everyone go check that out if you're listening to this one and go check to that. Go check that one out. Yes, that's a that's a fun uh that's a fun beginning story for you guys. That that was. That was a good one. And of course, you know, part I hate to say this, but you know, part of it was you know. Of course, afterwards, we we all went to uh a restaurant. I think it's called UH over the Mountain. It's in Rockton, Pennsylvania. Great food, by the way, and they're still open, but we went there. They were doing sasquatch talks there. They actually had like a like a big cutout sasquatch because they knew about the activity up there. And yeah, they don't really commercialize on it like you know, but it was just really cool to be up there. So every time me and Sean go out, we always make sure that we have a good restaurant to go to nearby. The two of us are already scouting out places. So I love that these yes to have a bigfoot restaurant Book of Pennsylvania. Absolutely absolutely, It's a lot better than the Mountainhouse. So right right, yeah, Yeah, when you are going out, Matt and you're looking for bigfoot, what is it you're expecting to see. What kind of creature do you or do you have anything in your mind that you're looking for. That's that's tough to

43:53 say because I've I've talked to some really hardcore researchers and I don't know, you know, because I've talked to a couple of people that have been they've had signings, and they kind of were let down in a way from the siding in the fact that they saw something they didn't think it was a big foot, and then five minutes later, ten minutes you're like, wait, who was just walking on top of that cliff where there's no trail and the person's all in black and it's you know, ninety five degrees out, you know, so you know, like I'm you know something like that. You know, it kind of messes with your expectations because when you think about, you know, going out and seeing a big foot, you always think of you know, you walk, you get that face to face. You know, you get to see the lines of the face, you get to see the the structure of the body and everything, and you know, like said from some very good researchers I've talked with, They're like, I saw something out there. I think it was a bigfoot, but you know, it's I didn't know it at the time, you know. And it's funny because, like, you know, one person I touched it said, if I would have my camera up, I would have gotten a picture. At least it may have been a blob squatch, you know when it came out on video, But at least you would be able to see some sort of motion

45:25 from from the creature that they were looking at or what they were looking at. And when you look at you know, again, something that's bipeel. We don't all walk the same, you know. If you have something that that walks differently, you know it, it would be a lot easier to you know, to bring forth to the big foot community if you have something that's you know a little different, you know, in walking pattern or in just the way that that it acts, you know, even if you know, again, even if it is a blob squatch. But you know, but as for me, what I think I'm trying to, you know, what I'd like to see is I'd like to see something close up or I'd like to see enough that I could I could see what the face looks like.

46:13 I've heard so many differences about the face. You know, some people say it looks more human, other people say it looks more like an ape. Other people bring up you know, and I'm a big proponent of this as well. Is I think a lot of dog man signings may be misconstrued as possible bigfoot sightings as well. The one I think of the most where it could go kind of either way is and I just put it up on my Twitter page not that long ago was the Beasts of Seven shoots where you look at it and it looks almost like a bad boon face, you know, although it's not a clear clear picture, but you could see you know, the figure there, and you can kind of see some shadows around the face. But it may be more of a just a super flat nose, a super flat uh you know, uh, facial area. But then I've talked to other people that said, no, they you know, they have a nose like our you know, maybe just you know a little flatter than ours. And you know, they they thought that, you know, they were just hairy people, you know, walking around. So I don't know, you know, I my mind is open, you know, and uh, I can't say I'm looking for one particular thing I would like to see that face out. That's the biggest thing I'd like to see. What do you think the closest you've gotten to one of these guys is so I've had to experiences that were that were fairly close. So the one and I'll plug

47:46 your your your group page, Jeremiah. The name of the page itself is the Bigfoot Society Group uh in count I believe, Well, okay, so I have to. So I have Bigfoot Society listeners that's the public one, and then I have Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters, which is like this private Facebook group, but people can see it, and I don't let anyone in there in lets like ice screen everyone, so no one is in there unless they have had something. They had something happen. So everyone in there is in there for a reason. And it's a really cool community so far it is.

48:29 It is an awesome, awesome community. And the reason I brought that up is we had the uh you had the question about how close someone has gotten. I said, I said, I will tell you if you listen to the podcast, So I did. I did, so it was an interesting This is probably the closest I've gotten and I put it down in my encounters. My wife and I we weren't bigfoot Honting. We were we went up to Elk County. At the time, we were renting cabins in the area until we found the place of our own. So we had been staying at a place that that is they rent cabins. They're kind of scattered throughout the property. They're in a very unique area, so no one could drive back there. You have to load up all your luggage on a cart and walk it back about half a mile. So where it is it's fairly remote.

49:32 And again that area up there, it's when I say remote, it's remote like you would find out in the maybe not the West Coast, but it's one of the most remote remote parts in at least the Mid Atlantic area outside of Maine. So we had this cabin, my wife and I. You know, we're spending two nights there. First night, nothing happened. Second night, we're in bed. The the bedroom was right up along a pathway and we were the very last cabin and there was a pathway that led back to the creek which led up to Medic's Run, which is a big hollow in the Benezette area. So around three o'clock in the morning, we both woke up and we heard crunch, crunch, crunch, something walking on that gravel. And you could tell just from the pattern of the way it was walking. It was walking similar to a human. Again, it's three o'clock in the morning. Who's going to be out there. There was no other cabins that were rented in our area, so we were alone back there and we heard this crunch. And you can also tell the difference between that and an elk when elk come through, because they have the four you know, hoove's there. There's you get a different sound, a different rhythm, a different pattern. This sounded like somebody would we were we were sitting here,

51:02 we heard the crunches and unfortunately, the window and it's gonna be hard to explain to the listeners, but I'll do my best. The window, you couldn't look out the window. The window had metal like slats coming down that were at an angle, so you could see like if you went underneath and looked up, you could look, you know, and see up, but you're really couldn't see straight out. There was a small light that was you know, on the other side of the path, and it wasn't a very powerful light, just enough so that if anyone you know, was outside you they would you know, uh, just have enough light just to you know, get to the path. As we were sitting there, something blocked that light out, and it blocked the light out, but it was relatively quick, you know, when it when it blocked it out, I mean, the whole the whole window went black. But if it was nilk it would have you know, we would have probably had a little more shade, or it would have been half Because of how high this was. This was just like a flat like something, you know, rectangular coming by that just you know, standing up, you know, rectangular, not you know, long ways, but vertically that just went past the window. And then in all that time then we were still hearing the crunches. Now I didn't go outside at the time. I wish I did, And I'll go into that's a

52:35 whole nother point in the conversation at some later point in time. But that there, we don't know what it was. But at the time, again we're close to actually not that far from Parker Dam State Park, which is where where Sean had the encounter first, where we heard the whoop. There was also an area called Medics Run, and the locals were calling their local Bigfoot Medics Run Mike. So it was just a local thing. They didn't really publicize it at all, They didn't really push it at all, but the locals knew, you know, whatever was coming down as Medics Run Mike, they called them, they named them. So I think with that if honestly, you know, we're talking about something where I was inside a building, but if I had that window open, I probably could have I'm a big guy too, I'm you know, six foot four. I could have reached my arm out and probably touched them, you know as you walked past, because the path really wasn't all that wide. But whatever it was was walking on that on that path could have been anything. I don't you know, Like I said, we're just basically coming up with some circumstantial points here that it could have been something that we you know, that we haven't discovered yet. The second time where we were very close, I was doing a more formal exhibition with a few friends of mine and one of them and I'll

54:10 give her if you don't want to give her shout out. Gwendolenelluh and she has been also another another really good, good person to work with. But this is the first time I met Gwendolyn. We were up in the Algae National Forest and again we were part of basically more of a formal investigation. There was probably about twenty of us that were out that night. We were out and a little road that was that we had a gas well adjacent to us, so the trucks would have to come up this hill and h and hit the gas well. There was another road that went parallel to us, and then down the road there was that was where our base camp was.

54:58 Well, everything kind of all happened at once where all of a sudden we weren't hearing anything. We were just kind of sitting there hanging out, playing with the thermal, and all of a sudden we get a radio call from the base camp, which was about a quarter a mile down the road that something came up outside of the woodline, made a growling noise, and then they heard the they heard the footsteps going away. As soon as we had turned the radio off, we heard three wood knocks well right after that, and they were clear boom boom boom. Then after that we heard the footfalls coming up basically right in front of us. The only problem though, was that this was in October, so you still had heavy vegetation, especially along roadways, and we could not We knew something was back there, we just couldn't tell what it was. We got to the point kind of after the fact where I just looked at Gwen and I looked at the other guy that was with us. I said, I'm going back there, you know, let me see what's back there. And whatever was back there was long gone.

56:10 So but again, hearing those wood knocks, that was really something that that you know, really, I think with that we're talking about distance where it may have been within twenty yards of us, with us being outside, I thought that was that was as close as we could get. If it was the daytime encounter, we would have seen this thing, you know, for sure. But being that it was nighttime, you know, again we had the therm where we knew something was there, but we just couldn't get a fix on it because of that heavy vegetation. It kind of, you know, brought down the experience, just the hair, you know, but it was still an exciting experience to get through. I did have another experience a few weeks later in the A and F where it was a little farther away maybe you know, about seventy yards, and that in itself was a It was a It was a great encounter. It could have been anything.

57:09 Again, there are so many things it could have been. But again, if you look at things in a circumstantial way, it may lead you to Okay, this is something that we don't know about. So what happened was a few weeks later, after we did the formal, uh you know, expedition up there, we decided to do an informal expedition. So I ran at the same cabin. Now this is outside of the Benezette. This is up in the A and F. Ran at the same cabin I was at before. It was most of most of the same people and the only thing that was at. The weather was kind of crappy that weekend. So I had been scouting around a new area between the town of Kine in the town and the city of Bradford area. Those areas up there are again very remote, very hard to get around. I found what we call a primitive camp spot, and these are scattered throughout the Algay National Forest. You can you can go there camp there for a few nights and go. You don't have to pay anything. So I had just parked at this one. I didn't see anyone out there, and there was a small trail that went along the creek. So as I'm going up along the trail, I end up finding a print and when don't you know, this print is about sixteen inches long

58:45 about five inches wide, And what it did was it went basically diagonal across the across the trail down towards the creek. So I'm like, oh my god, I got a this is this is awesome. So the one thing I did that I I I'll say was good was I went and I put a little stick there, you know, basically like Emily Lafleur does those flags. It's similar similar, except I'm I don't have the flag. I just had a stick with a with a leaf on it. So I kind of figured out where it was marked it and then I went back to my truck and I said, all right, it's four o'clock in the afternoon. Can I get into town and get plaster? Well, the hardware store close at four o'clock, So I ended up going the next day, and the next day it was funny because one thing I'll always remember was I get up and there was a song that was playing on the radio that that just kinda has nothing to do with Bigfoot, but it was just kind of a like just like a neat little song, and it was Tom T. Hall's I Washed My Face in the Morning Do, which is kind of like a you know, like a folksy type song. I remember listening to that driving to Caine at like, you know, nine o'clock in the morning after I checked out,

1:00:15 and the song is playing on my my serious radio because that's the only ready to get up there. And I get into Cane, I get plaster, I get a bucket. I go back to the spot. There's no one around the day before it was loaded with hunters. It was a Sunday. There was no one because you couldn't hunt that Sunday. So I get up there and I you know, go back up to where the print was. Unfortunately, it rained the night before this, so the print degraded. And what I should have done, now thinking in hindsight, was I should have covered it, even if I had like a plastic box something that I could cover to make sure that that that print didn't degrade as much as it did, but it was still enough there that I can I said, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna cast it. It's very hard to find Prince in Pennsylvania in at first place, so I'm just casting it. So I go up, mixed it, cast it. I walked down, down, back down to my truck. So I'm sitting there and again there's no cell service, so I'm just looking. I'm kind of a map nerd, so I'm looking at maps. I'm looking to see where I'm at, and you know, doing all that stuff. And all of a sudden, I hear something and I look in about seventy yards along the roadway, I see this tree shaking. And when I see this tree shaking, the way I described it was if like you know, for people growing up in the nineteen nineties,

1:01:45 they would have those contests where you'd go into it like a phone booth and all the dollar bills would be flying around you'd have to catch them. I don't know if you remember anything like that, but you know, like those like big money booth things. That's how violent this tree was being shook that the leaves are just coming down, almost like it was ring. All the other trees were fine. This was being shook, but I didn't see anything there. So the one thing, and again there's things that you do in hindsight, and I'll go after and I'll go over this at the end. Here I didn't do which I should have done, was I should have taken my phone out immediately, and I didn't. I was just so in shock, like what the heck is going on? And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, So I finally put the video camera on, but it stopped. I don't know where whatever was there it went. So I'm sitting there and the one thing I learned as a police officer, which you know, hopefully would serve its purpose to other people as well, is if you run into whether it's bigfoot, if it's a wild animal, anything like that, what do you want to do is you want to try and remain calm, and you also want to try to talk to it too.

1:03:05 You know, I've I've had pipulls like you know, running at me and I'll sit there and say, listen, I don't want to hurt you. And that was one thing I said, you know, was hey, I'm just here for research. I don't have any sort of weapons on me. I'm not gonna hurt you. I'm just here for research. You know, you can come up. If you come up, I'll get your picture. I might take a hair off you. I don't know, you know. But I'm sitting here trying to talk and stay calm. So that really didn't help all that much. But I did my best, and I did kind of you know, I kept my heartbeat, you know, a little lower than it would have been. But I was like, all right, you know what, it's only been about twenty minutes. But I'm going up.

1:03:51 I'm getting that cast. I'm getting out of here. So I go up and it's up the trail a little bit, grabbed the cast, brought it back out and clean I figured out clean it when I got back to the house. So I get in the truck and I go over to the area where the tree was, and I documented this that where the tree was, there was about a seven foot ditch. And what it was was this was created probably back in the in the logging days or maybe with the you know, conservation cour days, as basically a water runoff ditch that was down this mountain. There was this ditch that and unfortunately it was all rock at the bottom of it. But something could have been down in that ditch shaking the base of the tree without me knowing it. The one thing is is that this was during the rut for a year. But if I had seen if it was during the rut and you had a buck that was going up there to do this, you would see that bu You know, whatever was doing this was shaking it very violently, but also keeping itself hidden. It may have thought that I did have a weapon. It may have thought that I may not have had, you know, the best intentions, but whatever it was did not make itself known. And so again I'm kind of it could

1:05:25 have been a deer that maybe was down there and was just shaking it. I don't know. It was just coincidental that we found the print in that same area, and it was a relatively fresh print. That print was when I saw it on Saturday. I collected on Sunday. When I saw it on Saturday, that print had to have been at least you know, or at the most forty eight hours, because again there was no degradation. I actually saw toeprints in it. So again this was just something that really kind of you know, made me think that this could be anything up there, you know, and and it was really a good encounter. It was a good learning encounter for me as well. The one thing that I want to bring up that I said I talked about at the end was the whole using your camera. Again, I'm trained as a police officer, so the one thing that I am trained for is you know, the use of my firearm.

1:06:30 I could go and we have what uh what are called you know, well, we have the locking holster. So there's specific movements I have to make to release the gun from the holster. And we're trained that Okay, if we see something, I can get my gun out of that holster, making two or three different maneuvers within you know, like a fraction of a second, you know, basically like half a second at the most. One thing Bigfoot researchers need to do is to, like I practice with the firearm. Don't practice with the farm. Please don't do that. But what you need to do, because I've learned from this, and I learned the hard way, is learn to get that camera out, get that camera on video a SAP. Even if you just sit there like we did you know, like we would have blue guns that we'd have in our whole strom. Snap, snap, click up. Take your phone and if it's on your in a pocket, if it's you know, in your hand, get a practice to having it up and turning it on. I think, you know, even having a button there, you know that that you can automatically get it, get that camera up and recording would be fantastic. We have to learn to do this because some of these encounters happen with such with within a few seconds. So if you're able to get your phone out, get that phone

1:08:03 on record, you know, then at least you have something. And the one thing that I'm really kind of upset at is I wish that I would have, you know, grabbed that camera when that tree was shaking. And the the other thing too, is there may be something that your eyes won't see that may be on that camera. You could sit there and put the camera out, have it on. Your eyes are looking at maybe the top of the tree, you're looking at the leaves coming down. You go to look at that later on and you're gonna see, Okay, was there an antler that was around the base of the tree, Was there a hand that was at the base of a tree. Was it something else, you know, kind of a wild squirrel may had decided to come in and costume chaos.

1:08:54 Probably not, you know, because it's not going to make the leaves awfull down like that. But again, your eyes may be fixated on one particular part of that. You have that video going, and you may be able to see you know, even something leaving you know, through that ditch or you know, uh, you know going you know, laying down. You may not see that with your eyes, but you will catch that with that camera. Yeah, I think that's that is great advice with having the camera ready or being able to get it ready. It reminds me of like what the NAWAC you guys are doing now, where they have the cameras ready at a second's notice, where they can just fire off and get tons of different photos. I mean, that's that's how we're going to get the evidence is exactly ready to take the video or or the photos for sure exactly.

1:09:49 So you know. It's it's those type of encounters that really make you think and and again it's something that you'll learn from so uh, you know, for any of the researchers are out there, you know, get used to working with that, you know, getting that phone out, getting that picture, and it will you know maybe from that, you know, we may be able to get you know, something better, you know, than than what we've ever had before. So you know, even Matt Moneymaker talks about dash cams on on cars. Uh, it's not such a bad idea. First, you know, from my perspective, it helps out like if you get hit, if you get into two hundred car accident or anything, you know, on on that side. But then on this side, you know, like I said, you have something that runs out in front of you.

1:10:43 You don't know what it is. You know, hey, you know what I can. I could go to the next pull off, slow it down? Okay, you know, hey, you know what it was just a bear that was that was just running you know it just like you know, all out you know, across the across the road or Okay, it's not a bear because I see long arms, you know, and so it's really uh, you know, having something like that again, our eyes fixate on one thing, and having a camera like that or taking photos like that, either photos or video allow you to see those things that your eyes aren't immediately showing you. And I want to also mention you've had some really really interesting things happen. I you had some definitely close calls. Thank you for sharing those. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to ask and bring up you've got some You've got some other things going on right now. I mean you've got like, can you talk about cryptic wilderness for a little bit? Sure?

1:11:50 Absolutely, what you do with that and all that kind of stuff, absolutely, I mean I don't I don't do a lot with it right now, but I am. I have them in place, and I have been putting stuff out there. I do have cryptic Wilderness on Twitter and also on Facebook, and I just started a YouTube page. If you go to the YouTube page and look up cryptic Wilderness, it actually I actually have the basically the aftermath of the Aligaty National Force incident I talked about instant I had up at the my old hunting camp in Clinton County, and so it really is interesting. I true try I try to have The original intent was to talk about all sorts of lore, whether it was paranormal, crypto, with the emphasis on crypto, even just some legends, local legends from the area.

1:12:51 But it really kind of evolved into cryptozoological, you know, specifically bigfoot. And what I also do too is I also talk a lot about nature in itself, you know, being in the outdoors, what you need to do to prep to be in the outdoors. So it's things like that that I do try to get out and I'll be doing a few more videos in the near future. One of the one that I want to show was about using your iPhone or your cell phone as a GPS, using some of the different programs out there. I've used that. I've been in some pretty remote areas here in PA, nothing like that least, but you know, there's still places where, again there's no cell phone service, you're you're miles and miles away from help, but having that, you know, on your phone, could save your life. So it's little things like that that I try to you know, kind of push and what I'm going through. I also talk a lot about nature too, because again there may be signs of animal scat and well, you know, bigfoots have to poop too, you know, And I know that's a that's probably gonna be the title of this, but but the one thing is is that is that you know there's differences between bear poop, coyote poop, regular domestic dog. There's differences in the tracks.

1:14:25 So being able to you know, kind of eyeball something. Don't touch it, but being able to eyeball it and kind of get an idea will help the you know, will help the researcher in determining whether this is something that you know, may need to be collected or something just to pass on, you know, pass by. So that's where I really do try to get a push in with the pages themselves. I'm not looking for any sort of notoriety. I'm not looking for any sort of uh, you know know, get my name out there. It's basically you know, education. You know, it's one person that I haven't met, but is definitely another mentor for me. Would be like doctor Russ Jones you know where, yeah where.

1:15:17 He's a naturalist. You know, now he has his job as a chiropractor, but as a doctor, but you know he does this, you know, he he knows you know, the natural world there in West Virginia like the back of his hand. He he really tries to emphasize you know, being out there, being out there safe, and so again I I do try to kind of, you know, more or less be in that type of vein where I'm not again not looking just to put a name out there, but to help people help, you know, future researchers, help even current researchers. They're out there, absolutely, and I'll definitely have the links to that in the show notes. People want to go over subscribe to YouTube channel and watch the videos that have to do with what we talked about tonight, kind of flush that out a little bit, that would be awesome.

1:16:15 But Matt, this has been a super fun discussion tonight in a chat with you, it's been really really I've learned a lot about Pennsylvania, wonderful, more than I knew. I grew up in Western mass but I didn't know a lot about Pennsylvania. But thank you so much for coming on. Do you mind taking a few minutes If there's anything else that you want to make sure people know that you've got coming up, please take a few minutes to share how people can keep up to date with you. Okay, definitely.

1:16:55 They can follow me on They can follow me on Twitter under cryptic while, which is cryptic Wilderness. If you type in that, that will get you there. Cryptic Wilderness on Facebook, Cryptic Wilderness on YouTube. The one thing I did want to talk about, which we didn't get to, I was kind of I was kind of like teasing, gives you the teaser about it is I wanted to talk about my Bigfoot movie I went to make. Oh my goodness, yeah please yeah, yeah, put you so anyway, Yeah, anyways, my very very good friend Gwen, who is from gott Knockers, great, great person, you know, definitely uh you know, follow her and follow gott Knockers. It's a it's a great group. Is Gwendolyn Percell right, Gwendolyn Purcell, Yes, she is. She is awesome.

1:17:44 So anyways, we were out doing a just a small expedition, you know, her and one or two other people I believe they are from They were from that car program and we outside of Elysburg, which is actually you know, a pretty mountainous by the mountains and farms and throughout that area. So one of the guys that was with us, we heard a rock you get thrown. I don't know if it was a rock, could have been an acorn, I'm not sure, but he had said, hey, why don't we throw the rock back? I said, oh heck no. Because if you got something that could throw a rock whizzing past your face at like one hundred miles an hour and you're gonna throw a rock down, I want to get into a rock battle with somebody that could throw like that in the dark.

1:18:44 So from that that spawned my idea. So anyways, Seth Breedlove, if you're listening, Bobcat gold Weight, I have you in mind. So what I have is Bobcat gold Weight is gonna start my movie. He's gonna be a talent scout for the Major League Baseball and he needs to get that one more star or the team is gonna drop him. So somehow he's driving around you know, the mountains of southern California and runs into a bigfoot, and the bigfoot runs away from him, starts throwing rocks at him, and he says, hey, you know what I could get you to play baseball?

1:19:31 And somehow this bigfoot comes back with Bob kat coldwait. They sign on to the LA Dodgers, and the Bigfoot ends up becoming you know, the next starring pitcher of the of the World Series. The only thing, though, is that the only thing that I was thinking about was that in order for that to be successful, they'd have to dim the lights down a little bit. Yeah, they can't have all those big great stadium lights going right. Yeah, you know, they'd have to dimhim down for her Bigfoot. But you know, you got something that would throw like a one hundred and fifty mile an hour fastball, you know, and I'm sure Bigfoot could probably learn how to throw curveballs and sliders and everything. So I think that would be the perfect movie for Bobcat Goldweight, you know, and you know, for for a good Bigfoot movie. But going again and really quick before I I you know, just kind of in the same I mentioned about Sethburry Love.

1:20:29 One comment I made on Facebook that I think is going to stand is the STM team, you know, between him alex Eli, these guys here are what Patterson and Gilman were back in the sixties. These guys here are going to find Yeah. I believe in the next you know, year or two, they've gotten so close already they are going to get something on camera. I I I don't doubt it. Yeah, the way that they do things, I've I've watched them, you know, they're they're excellent outdoors people and Alex is very very impressive with with what he does, and I think that the way that they put themselves out there and what they do is is amazing. And I do think that you know, it's gonna come down to one of these one of their documentaries, They're going to get something on film.

1:21:34 I I I really really have faith in them. And then also you have the other other people along with that tape great guy. I was telling you before the show, I saw his series with where he came to Iowa with you and he was going across the country. It was really, uh, really an outstanding program. So I think we have a good crop of researchers that are out there doing the right thing. And it really gives me a lot of faith that I think that we're going to have, you know, we're gonna have some really good evidence in the next year or two. It is really cool. Like in sometimes these guys will go out as a group. You'll have people like Alex will Alex Pettakov will be doing Beyond the Trail. But you'll also have you know, like Tait Haranis will be doing his Sasquatch Search for Sabby series. Sometimes you'll have Jonathan easily there doing Western Bigfoot exploration. You'll have Ron Man Reid doing his thing too, so because you have all these things going on at the same time, people capturing video.

1:22:46 Yes, I agree, there's a there's a huge likelihood that we are very close to finally getting something on camera again reputably believe it. Yeah, we're not going to get into that. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, So yeah, No, I totally agree with you, Matt. It has been a fun time chatting. I'll have to definitely keep in touch with you, and absolutely I think you'll be having some some other cool things happen in the future as well. But I hope, so, I hope so. So Again, I thank you so much for for allowing me to be on your show. It has been a pleasure. I've been listening to your show pretty much from the onset, so it was always a great podcast to listen to. In fact, I would go through the Suscan area listening to your podcast, so because i'd have to go up we have a we have a place to go to up there for to send out a lab stuff, and so I'd always take the backway through the Suscan road and it was your Bigfoot Society was always like number one on my on my Apple list, so it definitely definitely had some wonderful shows on are cool. Thank you well, thanks again for hanging out tonight, Matt. Yeah, definitely definitely,

1:24:17 thank you, Jeremiah, and and again thanks to your listeners there. They've been great and and you know, hopefully you can get me and Sean out here, you know, and we'd love to tell you come on and hopefully we will have some great, great stuff for you over this summer. So just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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1:28:19 tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And I don't feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you.