Pennsylvania Police Officer Comes Forward!

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Welcome to the Big FoST Society.
In this episode from the archives of talk

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to Matt Arner, a police officer
from Pennsylvania, about what he has found

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during his bigfoot research in the state
in the northwest corner. If you've experienced

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something similar to what Matt has or
have more information regarding bigfoot in this area

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of Pennsylvania, please reach out to
me immediately after this episode. And if

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you've had an encounter and'd like to
be on the show, please contact me

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at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. And if you want even more Bigfoot

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a member and get extra episodes every
single week. Now, let's get on

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with the show, all right,
Big Fat Society, thanks for coming back

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for another episode. I've got mister
Matt Arner with me tonight. How's it

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going, Matt, It's going well
tonight, So I'm really looking forward to

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talking to you. Yeah, and
likewise, I'm excited to talk to you.

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You're out there in this northwest Pennsylvania
right, Well, I'm actually I

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live in the Poconos, which is
northeast Pennsylvania, but my base of operations

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is northwest Pennsylvania. We have a
cabin out there. We do a lot

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of research out there. It still
hasn't been developed like the Pennsylvania Poconos are,

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so we still have some very very
remote areas with a lot of historical

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activity and some ongoing activity as well. Research area Northwest. You live out

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in the Poconos out there by Scranton
and all that good stuff on the noise

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Absolutely yeh, which is cool.
So your bigfoot researcher, is there anything

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else that you would want the audience
to know about yourself that will help lay

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the foundation as well to really kind
of give a good viewpoint of where I'm

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coming from. I've worked eighteen,
well nineteen years with the police department I'm

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with now within another two years prior
experience. I am a detective. I'm

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a certified crime scene technician, so
I know about physical evidence. I'm also

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very good with interviewing people and speaking
with people. The truth detector really kind

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of goes on and off when I'm
when I'm talking to witnesses. The other

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thing too, that I really try
to emphasize more is I am an outdoorsman,

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so I grew up in the outdoors. I spend quite a bit of

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time either out at my cabin or
in my hammock tan bivouac out in some

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of these wild areas and it's been
a blast. So I do. What

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I really try to do is show
people how to be safe when they're going

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out to do Bigfoot research, especially
in an area where there's no cell service,

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the terrain is is not very good. You know, there's all there

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risks involved, such as rattlesnakes.
Where I go, they're all over the

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place. So letting people know about
that kind of stuff. Along with my

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training as a police officer detective,
I'm really I'm kind of more more of

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a bugger about safety and public you
know, keeping the public safe more than

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anything else. But in the same
vein also getting outside areas to do this

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research that is is fascinating. You
don't get too many times able to talk

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to especially you know, people that
are police officers, detectives and also in

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a bigfoot Usually you talk to those
guys after they're retired and then they're going

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to tell you all all what's going
on? Is there anything weird? Like

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you know, when you came out
and your buddies started to find okay,

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this guy is also the bigfoot guy. Was there anything like that or you

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know. The funny thing was was
that I really started telling the guys about

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ten years ago, so I was
still relatively not quite a rookie, but

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you know, just between that rookie
to experienced officer stage, and it's still

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still love to get a lot of
ribbing. But I had that one person

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that we worked with, he was
actually with another agency, and he pulled

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me aside and he says, hey, Matt, I really do believe in

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this stuff. And he never had
any encounter, but he's kind of in

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the same boat where he heard so
many you know, witnesses, you know,

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talking about what they saw, and
he said, this is compelling.

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You know, why are people putting
their reputations out on the line stating that

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they saw something that should not exist
or mainstream science does not does not believe

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exist. And just from hearing that, that was kind of a boost of

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confidence with me. Now we still
kept it quiet. I still don't really

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advertise about it, but you know, some of the guys in the in

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the department, Yeah, there's the
one guy who keeps making fun of me,

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saying, oh, it's you know, you know, bigfoots driving a

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car, Bigfoot's running away. But
then I do have a few other guys

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that you know, would come to
me and say, hey, you know

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what, you know, it's a
good thing that you do on the weekends.

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One thing that I'll say, I
didn't really want to get too much

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into the police work, but the
one thing is is we just had an

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officer Wellness trade and the one of
the things that they emphasize is having a

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hobby outside of outside your work.
So this does uh And we'll go into

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it a little more about some of
the things that I do that are kind

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of you know, like what I
do at work, but at the same

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vein I'm not thinking about work.
So having this as a hobby actually helps

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in the long term, whether you're
out there doing bigfoot research, if you're

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out there just doing wildlife research,
just being out there and you know,

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disconnected, you know, is just
a god send for our mental health.

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As in law enforcement, military,
other first responders, firefighters, EMTs.

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I've talked to several people and in
that first responder community, in the military

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community, and again, you know, being out there in the woods,

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there's no other cure for you know, just kind of you know, letting

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that stress go. I agree,
one hundred percent. Everyone needs something to

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do outside of the nine to five
or you're gonna go nuts. So absolutely

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that I found that. You found
that, and it's got to be cool.

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You know, You're hopefully one day
you'll be at the office and you'll

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get that weird call in from someone, Hey I saw something, and you're

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yeah, I got this one,
boy, yeah yeah. Nine our ears

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more urban. However, however,
I I did get a call one time

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for a possible mountain lion that was
that was in our town, so I

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followed up with the interview. I
think it was a misidentification. We do

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have fairly large bobcats that are in
the area, but it was still kind

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of neat to do that. That's
awesome, mat whenever I have someone on,

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I'm always curious to know how you
started to get into the whole Bigfoot

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thing to begin with. So was
it a shore where you were a little

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kid getting into Bigfoot or what what
brought you into it? Well, the

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one thing is is I've always had
an interest in it, and my parents

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really didn't know. They you know, I was the last of the siblings,

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so I kind of, you know, went off and did my own

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thing. But they knew I was
into the outdoors and you know, watching

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scary movies and stuff like that,
but they didn't really know specifically about Bigfoot.

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My I grew up in a in
a Navy family, so you know,

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we were always connected with the bases
and such. And I remember the

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one night we went out to the
U to the Navy base and they had

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a movie, you know, family
movie night. One of the movies was

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The Legend of Boggie Creek, and
the other movie, which I didn't know

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the name of it, I just
and I still kind of don't know the

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name of it, but you'll know
which one it is. Uh, the

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Ivan Marx movie that he made about
Cripplefoot, which was kind of you know,

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but anyways, it was a very
interesting fil and those films kind of

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got me into it. When I
was ten years old, I actually we're

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given a class project of what you
know, I think I was in,

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like I don't know, third or
fourth grade, what you want to do

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when you when you grew up,
And so I wrote this life story that

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I was going to be a park
ranger, which isn't that far from what

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I'm doing right now, and that
I would be looking for Bigfoot. And

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I actually had a picture of a
bigfoot. So I still have a copy

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of that. It's on It's on
my personal Facebook page. I always put

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that up every so often. But
I wrote this when I was, you

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know, ten years old, in
nineteen eighty two. So anyways, you

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know, I did have that strong
connection. Now where we lived, we

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lived in like a southeastern part of
Pennsylvania. It's not what I thought was

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not a squatchy area. However,
my mom was working a like in like

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a not really an evening shift,
but she was going out from five to

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five pm to ten pm to work
at her job and on the way.

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And this was in the nineteen eighties. I remember her coming back home almost

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immediately. This happened in the wintertime, and she told my she told all

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of this, but she went to
my dad and said, I saw a

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monster crossing the road out by the
industrial park. So the way my mom

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described it, and I'll just give
you a little thing about my mom.

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My mom was she grew up in
the coal mine area here in Pennsylvania.

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It's almost like you know how you
would envision like West Virginia in the hardcore

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areas, they were always you know, just kind of I wouldn't say backwards,

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but they you didn't get the exposure
to some of the things that you

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would have in the cities. But
she described the monster as she saw it

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as almost like a hippie, like
like some hippie long haired monster thing that

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that crossed the road in about two
steps. At first, I was,

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you know, I was like,
yeah, you know what you know,

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come on, Dad, let's go
out there. And he said, no,

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no, no, you got to
stay here. I'm gonna drive out

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with your mom. They went out, they didn't find anything. But my

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mom is not one to lie about
anything like this. So the more I

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started when I got older, you
know, we always knew about the monster

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story. You would always tell her
about it, you know, say,

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hey, tell me what you remember
about the monster. Well, it looked

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like a hippie, you know,
it looked like it looked like one of

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those rock people, you know,
with the long, strictly hair and everything.

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But the more I started looking into
this is we were close to New

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Jersey, We're close to the Pine
Bearns, and there have been historical sightings

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from the Pine Bearns and from what
I found out is that that you would

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lead over to Pennsylvania. So that
was really kind of the I guess,

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you know, I did have that
momentum going and this was just kind of

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the push to really kind of get
me into this. Now again, this

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is in the nineteen eighties. I'm
still a young kid. I thought about

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you know, bigfoot, you know, when I was growing up, when

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I was in high school college.
It wasn't until like the nineteen nineties that

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the Internet started, you know,
really getting popular, and I would go

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on the old BFRO site. I'd
go on Eric Altman's had a wonderful setup

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with the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society at the
time, and they always had the link

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if you want to becoming an investigator, you know, send us an email.

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I always did. I never heard
anything, but I did find that

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there was a lot of interesting sightings
that happened. Not only were where I

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had previously lived the previously lived,
but where I had moved up to in

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the Poconos. So as I'm going
through, I'm finding that you know,

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uh, they were seeing this,
you know up in the you know,

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Monroe County, in Luzerne County,
in Scrugle County, and I'm like,

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oh my god, I live in
these areas, you know, I know

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these areas pretty well, so around
and again, I still kind of kept

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interest and I'd watch the you know
what, like you know, any of

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the Unexplained Mysteries, you know,
those type of shows. But it wasn't

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until I had a friend of mine
that started a paranormal group. They wanted

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to know, if I want to
go ghost hunting, do you feel as

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a Bigfoot researcher, what's the difference
between researching bigfoot in that area time when

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there was hardly any internet as opposed
to today where there's almost overload of information.

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Yes, you don't know where to
look because these reports could be anywhere.

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Yes, Like how is that?
What's the difference there? That must

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be so interesting to know both of
those worlds. It was, And again

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I really kind of got more into
it towards the late nineties. Now I

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love this person the death. He
is the godfather of Pennsylvania research, Stan

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Gordon. But like, if you
go on like Stan Gordon's website, like

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you know, like on some of
the older websites, it's just like it

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was back in the nineteen nineties,
you know, and I love the guy.

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He is, like I said,
he is the godfather of Pennsylvania crypto

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and UFO research. He is,
he is the man. But yeah,

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you know, like I said,
seeing you know, some of the sites,

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they were those old you know,
we're you just had the you know,

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the replies on it, almost like
an old message board. You would

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just click on the reply or click
on the on the link it would take

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you to, you know, basically
like a text blurb of what the sighting

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was. But you know, back
then, we didn't know too much about

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you know, what to do,
and that kind of led me into what

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happened in the early two thousands before
really the big explosion of bigfooting really hit

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the internet. And we again we
had no idea, you know, we

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weren't out there doing wood knocks.
We heard them, you know, but

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we didn't really know that in other
parts of the country that they were you

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know, they were attributing you know, these wood knocks to you know,

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a possible you know, would a
bigfoot. Again, what we were looking

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for was mostly just tracks, which
in Pennsylvania is very hard to find because

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of the way the soil is just
following up with sightings, citing reports and

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on the occasional there was one time
back in the early two thousands where we

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believe we found a nest, but
we weren't. We really didn't have a

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whole lot of information at that time
to really conclude what this was. In

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the early two thousands, then I
got involved with the with the Ghost Time

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group. What they said was,
hey, we're getting these reports of weird

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things happening in the in the woods. And they knew that I was,

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you know primarily you know, I
love to be outdoors, so they said,

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hey, can you look into this. Absolutely, So there were quite

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a few times that we took the
paranormal group out and they would be out

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there with the MF detectors and the
you know. But yet, on the

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other hand, one thing that I
learned from them was using the use of

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the voice recorders, and what they
would do is they would have the voice

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recorders up, you know, with
the parabolic mic listening for anything. And

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this is something that they brought from
the our normal side to the crypto cryptozoological

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side. So that in itself was
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I started reading more and more about, you know, different things that could

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be done. There were some things
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it just kind of went from there. Did you find there was a time

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when you get back home, you're
going over your recorded audio and you picked

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up stuff that you hadn't heard at
the time you were recording it. Yes,

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at the time. I mean there's
some audio files that I wish I

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still had because they were on other
computers and such. But there were times

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that we would sit there and I
would tell them right off about, hey,

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this is a pack of coyotes there
are calling, or hey this is

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a fox. Those are generally what
the animals are that make sounds like that

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in the Pennsylvania whist. But then
there was a few times that again we

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would think that it may have been
a fox, But then you get you

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just listen to the tone and the
volume and the you know how that call

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is being expressed, and there's no
way that you know, a sixteen seventeen

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pound fox is going to make that
allowed and that deep of a scream.

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where we would sit there and I
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pitched yip. This is definitely from
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that one call that sometimes it's right
before the coyote call, sometimes it's after

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the coyote call. Where after a
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it as an Ohio call? You
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a call being blasted through there was
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could have made that call, not
to say that they wouldn't. But again,

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once I heard the original Ohio call
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I was like, oh my god, this is exactly what we've been

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hearing. And this was in areas
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Pennsylvania. I would have loved to
have been there when you made that realization,

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when you were like heard Moneymakers,
yes call from ninety four, and

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you're like, I've heard that call. I've yeah, exactly, man,

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that's great. It was just hearing
that like you know, you still get

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kind of the shivers coming down your
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other people talk about, you know, bigfoot in relation to coyote. Do

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you think there's some sort of like
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just I it's hard to say.
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listen to howls that we record.
I have some long term uh digital recorders

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that are up on a few of
the mountains ide research and I'll listen to

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some of these calls. And again
we're looking we're listening to the pitch primarily,

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we're listening to the volume. We're
listening to the output of that sound.

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some experienced researchers, aren't that sure
if it's a coyote, if it's say

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it's a pack of coyotes, or
if it may be a bigfoot. Now

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the reason I bring that up is
if you do get a bunch of coyotes

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that are making a call that sounds
similar to ohio or any other vocalization,

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you may have another animal, you
know, such as such as a bigfoot

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making a return call, especially when
these calls are made at three o'clock in

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the morning. So I think that's
where a lot of that connection between coyotes

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and bigfoot uh it may come into
play. Now again, I I know

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there's other people that are more well
versed that would be able to to,

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you know, give their explanation that
you know, maybe they do travel together.

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think that that that whether it's bigfoot

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with a whatever you want to call
it, is returning the call you know,

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from those coyotes thinking that it may
be another creature. And again if

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it's confused, uh, you know
some more experienced researchers where you really have

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to get down and you know,
send it out to the Olympus Project,

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you know, because you don't know, you know, I would say that,

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you know, it's also the same
with them. They may not understand

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that, you know, what's being
called. They may be aware of the

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coyotes, but you know, if
you do get a coyote making a specific

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call, they may think that it's
one of you know, another one of

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their creatures calling to them. It's
almost like we need to partner with some

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wildlife biologists that are into the coyote
culture and bounce some stuff off. We

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need to find the guy or the
gal who's into wildlife biology, coyote research,

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slash also a bigfooter. That would
be yes, fantastic, absolutely absolutely,

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I know. Let me know,
I know a few hunters, a

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few coyote hunters that know the coyotes
very well, and if I can get

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one of them to come over on
our side, that would be a win

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win for us. Mentor with big
footing is Sean Forker. Sean is a

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great friend of mine. I'm so
glad that I met him, and he

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has been my mentor through through,
you know, from the time that I

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met him, and you know,
I know with him, we've talked about

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some cases where maybe it's not exactly
a habituation case, but the creature gets

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used to or accustomed to, coming
onto a property. And there was one

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or two cases that he investigated not
that far from from my research area,

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where they did have something very similar
to it, but the people weren't leaving

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anything there. What the people were
doing was they were leaving their trash out

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and you know, they would put
it in a dumpster that was that was

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bear proof. But something was still
going in and getting this and they did

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end up seeing something at the dumps
which prompted them to contact the PBS and

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UH and Sean again, you may
get into those situations where, uh,

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you know, a creature does become
a little more accustomed to two people than

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it should. Yeah, it's it's
definitely think from what I've heard, you

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know, you want to be you
want to be careful if you're putting out

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food or leaving out garbage, because
sometimes when you stop doing that, you

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can cause a situation where you've got
a pretty angry creature. Absolutely, if

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it's not a big foot, even
if it's a bear, you're in ald

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of trouble anyways, Oh, absolutely
absolutely. And where I live, it's

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funny. We actually, uh,
we have so many bears around town.

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It's uh. The bears even have
their own Facebook page. So we've had

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the bears come in, uh,
coming in my yard. You know,

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even when we're still there. We
know how to work with the bears.

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We know how to live with the
bears. But now you're talking about something

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that has you know, definitely a
more intelligence and a bear probably better senses,

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because bears are basically blind, you
know, they they don't see that

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well. They were lying their sense
of smell to basically lead them on their

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way. But now you're looking at
something that even if we don't know the

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intelligence, we know that they have
sharp eyesight, you know. As for

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the sense detection, I'm not sure, but they're still you know, aware,

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you know, you're talking about creatures
that are If they do sense something

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like, you know, somebody's putting
garbage out, somebody's putting apples out,

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somebody's putting bird feed out, something
that they could eat, they're going to

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come to it, you know,
and it may not always, you know.

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I think the one thing, though, is that they have enough sense

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that they know to stay away from
towns. And there's something about cameras trail

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camps. They do not like trail
camps. And fact, funny story,

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if you don't mind me telling you, there was a guy that had a

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big foot sighting not that far from
my house, and he was not someone

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that wanted bigfoot on his property,
and it really shook him to the core

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when he saw what he saw.
I do believe what he saw was a

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bigfoot. I don't believe it was
a misidentification. We went out, he

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showed me basically the branch, you
know, that was basically our size frame

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for this creature. The creature.
We're not talking about a ten foot tall

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piecet, but we're talking somewhere between
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And when he saw this again,
it freaked him out. He did

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not want to want to go back
to that back area of the property.

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So I told him one thing,
I said, you don't want bigfoot around.

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Put up trail cameras everywhere. I
said, put forty trail cameras up.

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Nothing's going to go around. And
he said that, you know,

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since he put that out there,
he's heard vocalizations, but he hasn't had

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anything come onto the property since he
started doing that. So again, I

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don't know if the if it's anything
from the infrared, I don't know if

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it's anything from just hey, you
know what, you know. I know

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these woods really well, and now
there's a plastic box on the tree.

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I don't know what this does.
I'm just going to stay away from it.

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I don't know, you know,
but it did seem to work.

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Wow. And that's in northest northeast
Pennsylvania. This was in northeast. Yeah,

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this is this wasn't that far from
where I live. Wow. And

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uh, in fact I drived that
area and that's another area where historically has

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been a very active, active area. In fact, we were just talking

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about it tonight on Facebook. Uh. Somebody posted in a group about this

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particular stretch of road and I said, well, you know, and I'm

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not going to give away where this
guy lives because he lived in a specific

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spot along this area. But there
was a creature that for years was called

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the Suskan Screamer. And with the
Suskan Screamer, you know in uh,

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you know, basically in lure was
there was a big wooded area between Pittston

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and Thornhurst, which is in in
the look in the middle of the Poconos.

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In that area, it's all wood, it's all seeking lands, and

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they would the lure goes was that
it was a bride that was jilted on

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her wedding night and she decided to
kill herself and she screams. But then

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you start reading into it and you
start looking and doing a little more research.

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They've heard these strengths since the eighteen
hundreds when they started logging the area

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out. Along with that, I
guess the first side of the Suscan Screamer

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was it walked on two legs and
it had the head of a pig and

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it was covered with hair. So
what do you get with that? You

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know? And eventually the one story
that I linked onto the Facebook group actually

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towards the end started saying that there
were multiple sightings of a bipedal hairy object

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walking through there. So this has
been going on for a long time.

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It's an active area. As for
there being a lot of big foot around

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there, I don't think so.
I think there's so many different corridors to

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so many different places that it's probably
just traveling through and just happens to get

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sighted. But it's definitely a corridor
for something. It's just a matter of

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finding out, you know, narrowing
down when it happened, with time of

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year, with you know, time
of day these signings were, and you

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know, trying to see if you
can get that signing replicated, you know

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through uh you know, just from
observation, uh, just going out there

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hiking, walking, Uh, just
passively uh observing And if you knew that

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they happened in March or April,
you know, that's when the bulk of

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the signings were throughout all these years. That's probably when you're gonna gonna have,

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you know, a possible encounter or
probably have a better look at finding

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something there. Suscan screamer. That's
that's really cool. Is has that been

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written about in any books that you
know of? Uh, it has been

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in Uh, you know a few
of the few of the books. If

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you google Suscan Screamer. Uh,
there's a few articles. Uh, there

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may be a few links to uh
to the books. But it is an

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interesting uh uh you know. Story. Again, they try to attribute it

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to, you know, more paranormal, but as you read more and more

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into it, it's starting to go, you know, starting to go into

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a possible crypto area. I like
that, man, It's like, yeah,

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that only sounds like a bigfoot.
Yeah. Another thing I wanted to

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ask you while we're in northeast Pennsylvania, and if this is like a hoax

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or something, then yeah, you
know, I just excuse my lack of

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knowledge of the area, but yeah, I always hear this story about northeast

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Pennsylvania has a white bigfoot or a
sighting of a white bigfoot. Is that

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a thing or is that just now
your say I heard there. It's not

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hearsay. Whether it's a hoax or
not, I'm not sure. It was

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sited up in Carbondale, Pennsylvania,
and which is north of Scranton and with

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Carbondale, I guess it was an
apartment complex that was adjacent to the woods.

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They were somebody had seen the saying
there was police officers that went out.

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I don't know if it was the
police officer themselves or one of the

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witnesses that came out and actually videotaped, you know, what they believed to

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be a white bigfoot. I'm a
little up in the air on what it

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is. You know, could it
be a person in a mask? Absolutely?

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Did they make masks like that back
then, because I think it was

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late nineties, early two thousands.
It may have even been earlier than that.

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I'm not sure, but I don't
know. I'm just I'm kind of

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on the fence on that one.
But there were signings of a white bigfoot,

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and there's no reason why I think
that bigfoot can't have different colorations.

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You don't hear about them being all
black. You know, you might get

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one that's brown, you might get
one that's tan. It's just like you'd

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have with bears, bears. People
say the Pennsylvania well, the American black

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bear. You know, I consider
the Pennsylvania black bear. But you know

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that they're all black for the majority
of them, ninety nine percent are gonna

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are going to be black. But
they may have white on the crest or

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or they may have a red or
a brown edge of the where the hair

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is which gives them a different color. You may also have again, uh,

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we've seen the black bears with other
other colors colorization. So you're talking

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00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.200
about something where you have a specific
genetic pool that's feeding into it. Now

408
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.799
again, if you have something like
a bigfoot or North American wape, you're

409
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:40.200
going to have a spread of you
know, possibly different colors there. So

410
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.920
I think white is kind of a
uh, you know, a very very

411
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:52.480
uncommon color, but it hasn't been
There's been other signings of white bigfoot throughout

412
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:58.279
the country. So I think that
if we look into the fact that that

413
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:02.599
bigfoot is uh, you know,
a creature that that does exist, there's

414
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:10.119
the possibility that they have different colorizations
like that. So you know, like

415
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.719
I said, there's so many witnesses
that brought about the white Bigfoot or the

416
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.639
brown bigfoot, the tan bigfoot.
So I don't think the colorizations are really

417
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:27.239
that much into play. Yeah,
I agree, there's definitely different variants of

418
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:32.559
color I talked to. I've talked
to so many Bigfoot witnesses every day.

419
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:40.480
I'm I am convinced, and I
will I don't usually take a stand on

420
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:44.760
on stuff, but I'm going to
take a stand on this because I've talked

421
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:49.440
to so many people daily in the
last three months as I'm trying to get

422
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.320
more witnesses to talk on here.
It takes a lot of conversations to get

423
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:59.119
to that point. It does.
There are so many reports from across the

424
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:06.719
nation, all different areas where the
person always says the creature looked reddish brown,

425
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.840
and that's weird because it's not red, it's not brown. It's everyone

426
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.239
is saying. Most people are saying
reddish brown. I'm like, that's weird.

427
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.880
People keep saying that specific color.
It's just it's the weirdest thing,

428
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.480
Matt. So it is something I've
noticed as I've started to talk to witnesses

429
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:29.639
a lot. Yes, yes,
Now, the one my mom talked talked

430
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:34.320
about seeing that was black, you
know that was She said that it had

431
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:39.320
that black, greasy, stringy hair. But other people I've talked to have

432
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:45.119
said that they've seen you know,
uh, not so much black, but

433
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.760
like a brown, and that that
was really something that that kind of kind

434
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.559
of caught their eye, was the
was the color of the hair very interesting?

435
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:58.239
Yeah? Absolutely, you mentioned,
you know, we have a mutual

436
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.800
friend Sean. He's a great guy. Oh my god. Yes, I've

437
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:06.559
been able to talk to him before. It was a fun chat. And

438
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.719
there's got to be a story,
a fun story about how you guys initially

439
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:16.800
met in Like, is there some
like Matt and Sean's crazy Bigfoot adventure story

440
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:21.280
that kind of thing? Yeah,
yeah, there is there is. So

441
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:30.320
this is I must preface this where
the intro story to Matt and Sean is

442
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.800
actually going to be in print in
one way or another, not for me,

443
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:40.360
kay, so ok. But anyway, So what happened was years ago,

444
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:49.920
twoy thirteen was when I first met
Sean. So what happened was I

445
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:54.559
went to the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society's fall
you know, get together, and it

446
00:36:54.639 --> 00:37:01.079
was in Quarfield County at Parker Dam
State Park, which park has that's an

447
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:07.239
area of again higher significant activity.
They had historical activity there, they were

448
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:15.000
having current activity in that area.
This was not this was literally like ten

449
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:22.480
minutes away from where Sean had his
encounter, the bad encounter. So Sean

450
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:28.039
had made it out there with his
with his friends, and I don't know

451
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:31.199
anybody here, you know, everyone's
mostly you know from Western PA. Or

452
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:36.599
New York. And I had no
idea who who these people were. I

453
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.480
talked to them one the computers,
but that was about it. I was

454
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:44.039
just there, just have a good
time. So I'm walking around trying to

455
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.639
trying to talk to these people and
I see this, Uh, I see

456
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.039
this little guy come up to me
and he says, hey, I'm my

457
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.760
name's Sean. What's your name?
I said, my name's Matt. And

458
00:37:55.400 --> 00:38:02.519
that was the start of a wonderful
long friendship with him, and and him

459
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.159
and his group were so accepting of
me, you know, just you know,

460
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:08.639
coming in there being the first time, you know, going to one

461
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:15.639
of one of these major routings with
the PBS, and we just you know,

462
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.440
I mean, we just all clicked. Now, there was a bad

463
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.760
story about this, which Shawn will
talk about. He may have already said

464
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:29.679
something. It was called the March, the death March. So myself and

465
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:36.960
Dustin, one of one of Sewan's
friends who had the the mapping experience,

466
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.159
your enteering experience, we said,
hey, we're going to take this walk.

467
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:45.280
It's just going to be a short
out and back and this is going

468
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.679
to be great, you know,
We'll take the group. Well, it

469
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:57.840
didn't turn out that way, and
a short three mile hike turned into like

470
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:02.159
a ten mile hike and it was
like up and down rocks and you know,

471
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:07.599
going through beaver swamps and creeks and
everything. And I'm just sitting there

472
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.119
like, oh man, I hope, I hope these guys still talk to

473
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:15.280
me after this is that? But
anyways, I will say that I took

474
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.960
you know, we did about fifty
percent, you know, me and dustin

475
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:24.000
between, you know, our credit
for you know, misleading them slightly.

476
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.519
But again, the map system wasn't
that great. This is before GPS,

477
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.159
you know, like we had GPS, but not the phone. GPS is

478
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:37.400
like you do now. And so
anyways, later that night, we decided

479
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.559
to go out to the clearing,
which is where Sean had his encounter.

480
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.800
One thing that I did was before
I went out there, I put up

481
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:52.480
a trail camera pointing at the parking
lot. And the reason I did that

482
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.000
wasn't so much to see if we
have a bigfoot that that comes through to

483
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.840
parking lot, but it's basically to
keep track of the people that were coming

484
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.920
back and forth into that area.
This was the only way in UH to

485
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:10.719
this area other than for going through
a really thick, heavily wooded forest towards

486
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.119
uh. You know, we were
sitting there, we had a bonfire going,

487
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:17.800
We're we're having a blast. And
around eleven o'clock we had Eric Altman

488
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:23.000
and a few others that that that
came in and they're out there making calls

489
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:28.960
and doing wood knocks and everything else. But everyone's just having a great time.

490
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.400
So they leave and we're just sitting
around the camp around the fire.

491
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.519
Now, we weren't going to spend
the night out there, you know,

492
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.440
because of the experience that happened previously
with Sean, but we wanted to be

493
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:45.199
out there a little bit. So
I'm out there, you know, talking

494
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.880
to talking to Sean and the rest
of the crew, and when he said,

495
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.719
you know what, let's let's start
heading back. So we decided,

496
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.039
you know, we're going to slowly
put out the fire. So we're sitting

497
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.519
there putting out the fire, and
then all of a sudden, from just

498
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:07.280
right outside the woodline, we get
this solid whoop and that there. It

499
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.840
was funny because me and Dustin,
well, Dustin, Dustin's a great guy.

500
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.119
I love Dustin to death. He
is. He is like my mini

501
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.880
persona. You know like him and
I like, we're like, yeah,

502
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.159
you know, we got something.
Sean and his other friends they were like,

503
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:30.000
we gotta go. I'm like all
right, you know so but that

504
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.559
was just such an incredible experience.
That whoop that we heard. It was

505
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:40.800
clear, concise, it was loud, There was you know, there's certain

506
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.199
owls that can make you know,
calls there not really similar, but you

507
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:50.159
know you hear who or. But
this was a solid whoop like you would

508
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.239
hear from a Gibbons, except if
it was a Gibbons. That was you

509
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:58.599
know, four hundred pounds just because
of that, you know, that power

510
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:04.960
that went through it. So that
was that was our exciting, uh first

511
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.800
experience, the first shared experience I
had with Sean, and ever since then

512
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.719
we've been very close friends. Again, he is my mentor, you know,

513
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:17.920
like I I I've learned so much
from Sean and uh, you know,

514
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.280
he really is a great guy.
I can't talk highly enough about him.

515
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:27.519
So, uh, you know,
we always always have good times when

516
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.000
we when we go out to do
research. Absolutely, he's got a they've

517
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:37.000
got a good podcast going too.
Absolutely absolutely latch experience right, Yes,

518
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.559
yes, everyone go check that out
if you're listening to this one and go

519
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.880
check to that. Go check that
one out. Yes, that's a that's

520
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:49.639
a fun uh that's a fun beginning
story for you guys. That that was.

521
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.800
That was a good one. And
of course, you know, part

522
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:53.840
I hate to say this, but
you know, part of it was you

523
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.199
know. Of course, afterwards,
we we all went to uh a restaurant.

524
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.000
I think it's called UH over the
Mountain. It's in Rockton, Pennsylvania.

525
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:05.159
Great food, by the way,
and they're still open, but we

526
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.880
went there. They were doing sasquatch
talks there. They actually had like a

527
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.559
like a big cutout sasquatch because they
knew about the activity up there. And

528
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.199
yeah, they don't really commercialize on
it like you know, but it was

529
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.119
just really cool to be up there. So every time me and Sean go

530
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.079
out, we always make sure that
we have a good restaurant to go to

531
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:29.440
nearby. The two of us are
already scouting out places. So I love

532
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:37.159
that these yes to have a bigfoot
restaurant Book of Pennsylvania. Absolutely absolutely,

533
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.800
It's a lot better than the Mountainhouse. So right right, yeah, Yeah,

534
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.400
when you are going out, Matt
and you're looking for bigfoot, what

535
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:49.519
is it you're expecting to see.
What kind of creature do you or do

536
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:53.639
you have anything in your mind that
you're looking for. That's that's tough to

537
00:43:53.639 --> 00:44:01.280
say because I've I've talked to some
really hardcore researchers and I don't know,

538
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.239
you know, because I've talked to
a couple of people that have been they've

539
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.800
had signings, and they kind of
were let down in a way from the

540
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:17.920
siding in the fact that they saw
something they didn't think it was a big

541
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:23.159
foot, and then five minutes later, ten minutes you're like, wait,

542
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:28.280
who was just walking on top of
that cliff where there's no trail and the

543
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.079
person's all in black and it's you
know, ninety five degrees out, you

544
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:39.519
know, so you know, like
I'm you know something like that. You

545
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.679
know, it kind of messes with
your expectations because when you think about,

546
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:47.440
you know, going out and seeing
a big foot, you always think of

547
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.920
you know, you walk, you
get that face to face. You know,

548
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.440
you get to see the lines of
the face, you get to see

549
00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:00.360
the the structure of the body and
everything, and you know, like said

550
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.719
from some very good researchers I've talked
with, They're like, I saw something

551
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.840
out there. I think it was
a bigfoot, but you know, it's

552
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.679
I didn't know it at the time, you know. And it's funny because,

553
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:15.960
like, you know, one person
I touched it said, if I

554
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.480
would have my camera up, I
would have gotten a picture. At least

555
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.239
it may have been a blob squatch, you know when it came out on

556
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.239
video, But at least you would
be able to see some sort of motion

557
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:29.920
from from the creature that they were
looking at or what they were looking at.

558
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.280
And when you look at you know, again, something that's bipeel.

559
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.800
We don't all walk the same,
you know. If you have something that

560
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.320
that walks differently, you know it, it would be a lot easier to

561
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:45.119
you know, to bring forth to
the big foot community if you have something

562
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:52.039
that's you know a little different,
you know, in walking pattern or in

563
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.039
just the way that that it acts, you know, even if you know,

564
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:59.039
again, even if it is a
blob squatch. But you know,

565
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.320
but as for me, what I
think I'm trying to, you know,

566
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.199
what I'd like to see is I'd
like to see something close up or I'd

567
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.199
like to see enough that I could
I could see what the face looks like.

568
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.519
I've heard so many differences about the
face. You know, some people

569
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.400
say it looks more human, other
people say it looks more like an ape.

570
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:27.039
Other people bring up you know,
and I'm a big proponent of this

571
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.960
as well. Is I think a
lot of dog man signings may be misconstrued

572
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:37.559
as possible bigfoot sightings as well.
The one I think of the most where

573
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.039
it could go kind of either way
is and I just put it up on

574
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:47.360
my Twitter page not that long ago
was the Beasts of Seven shoots where you

575
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.199
look at it and it looks almost
like a bad boon face, you know,

576
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.400
although it's not a clear clear picture, but you could see you know,

577
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.960
the figure there, and you can
kind of see some shadows around the

578
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.159
face. But it may be more
of a just a super flat nose,

579
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.760
a super flat uh you know,
uh, facial area. But then I've

580
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.440
talked to other people that said,
no, they you know, they have

581
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:15.559
a nose like our you know,
maybe just you know a little flatter than

582
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.719
ours. And you know, they
they thought that, you know, they

583
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.159
were just hairy people, you know, walking around. So I don't know,

584
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:28.360
you know, I my mind is
open, you know, and uh,

585
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.119
I can't say I'm looking for one
particular thing I would like to see

586
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.320
that face out. That's the biggest
thing I'd like to see. What do

587
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:40.000
you think the closest you've gotten to
one of these guys is so I've had

588
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:46.800
to experiences that were that were fairly
close. So the one and I'll plug

589
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:53.760
your your your group page, Jeremiah. The name of the page itself is

590
00:47:53.800 --> 00:48:00.840
the Bigfoot Society Group uh in count
I believe, Well, okay, so

591
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:05.840
I have to. So I have
Bigfoot Society listeners that's the public one,

592
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:12.039
and then I have Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters, which is like this private Facebook group,

593
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.239
but people can see it, and
I don't let anyone in there in

594
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:21.239
lets like ice screen everyone, so
no one is in there unless they have

595
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.880
had something. They had something happen. So everyone in there is in there

596
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.880
for a reason. And it's a
really cool community so far it is.

597
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:31.719
It is an awesome, awesome community. And the reason I brought that up

598
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:37.880
is we had the uh you had
the question about how close someone has gotten.

599
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:43.440
I said, I said, I
will tell you if you listen to

600
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.760
the podcast, So I did.
I did, so it was an interesting

601
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:53.239
This is probably the closest I've gotten
and I put it down in my encounters.

602
00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:00.440
My wife and I we weren't bigfoot
Honting. We were we went up

603
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.000
to Elk County. At the time, we were renting cabins in the area

604
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.960
until we found the place of our
own. So we had been staying at

605
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:15.239
a place that that is they rent
cabins. They're kind of scattered throughout the

606
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:22.079
property. They're in a very unique
area, so no one could drive back

607
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:27.039
there. You have to load up
all your luggage on a cart and walk

608
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:31.719
it back about half a mile.
So where it is it's fairly remote.

609
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:38.119
And again that area up there,
it's when I say remote, it's remote

610
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:42.719
like you would find out in the
maybe not the West Coast, but it's

611
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.039
one of the most remote remote parts
in at least the Mid Atlantic area outside

612
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:52.119
of Maine. So we had this
cabin, my wife and I. You

613
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:57.440
know, we're spending two nights there. First night, nothing happened. Second

614
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:02.079
night, we're in bed. The
the bedroom was right up along a pathway

615
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:06.199
and we were the very last cabin
and there was a pathway that led back

616
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:12.920
to the creek which led up to
Medic's Run, which is a big hollow

617
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.559
in the Benezette area. So around
three o'clock in the morning, we both

618
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:23.760
woke up and we heard crunch,
crunch, crunch, something walking on that

619
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:29.719
gravel. And you could tell just
from the pattern of the way it was

620
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.000
walking. It was walking similar to
a human. Again, it's three o'clock

621
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.360
in the morning. Who's going to
be out there. There was no other

622
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.440
cabins that were rented in our area, so we were alone back there and

623
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.960
we heard this crunch. And you
can also tell the difference between that and

624
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:52.800
an elk when elk come through,
because they have the four you know,

625
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:59.639
hoove's there. There's you get a
different sound, a different rhythm, a

626
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.360
different pattern. This sounded like somebody
would we were we were sitting here,

627
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:08.559
we heard the crunches and unfortunately,
the window and it's gonna be hard to

628
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:14.559
explain to the listeners, but I'll
do my best. The window, you

629
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:22.760
couldn't look out the window. The
window had metal like slats coming down that

630
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.199
were at an angle, so you
could see like if you went underneath and

631
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.119
looked up, you could look,
you know, and see up, but

632
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.960
you're really couldn't see straight out.
There was a small light that was you

633
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.000
know, on the other side of
the path, and it wasn't a very

634
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.480
powerful light, just enough so that
if anyone you know, was outside you

635
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.440
they would you know, uh,
just have enough light just to you know,

636
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:52.760
get to the path. As we
were sitting there, something blocked that

637
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:57.800
light out, and it blocked the
light out, but it was relatively quick,

638
00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:59.719
you know, when it when it
blocked it out, I mean,

639
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:06.880
the whole the whole window went black. But if it was nilk it would

640
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:08.840
have you know, we would have
probably had a little more shade, or

641
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:13.280
it would have been half Because of
how high this was. This was just

642
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:19.440
like a flat like something, you
know, rectangular coming by that just you

643
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.760
know, standing up, you know, rectangular, not you know, long

644
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:28.639
ways, but vertically that just went
past the window. And then in all

645
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.559
that time then we were still hearing
the crunches. Now I didn't go outside

646
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:35.519
at the time. I wish I
did, And I'll go into that's a

647
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.639
whole nother point in the conversation at
some later point in time. But that

648
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:45.039
there, we don't know what it
was. But at the time, again

649
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.519
we're close to actually not that far
from Parker Dam State Park, which is

650
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:54.519
where where Sean had the encounter first, where we heard the whoop. There

651
00:52:54.599 --> 00:53:00.239
was also an area called Medics Run, and the locals were calling their local

652
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:07.119
Bigfoot Medics Run Mike. So it
was just a local thing. They didn't

653
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.079
really publicize it at all, They
didn't really push it at all, but

654
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:15.519
the locals knew, you know,
whatever was coming down as Medics Run Mike,

655
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.639
they called them, they named them. So I think with that if

656
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.760
honestly, you know, we're talking
about something where I was inside a building,

657
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:29.800
but if I had that window open, I probably could have I'm a

658
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:31.280
big guy too, I'm you know, six foot four. I could have

659
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:36.119
reached my arm out and probably touched
them, you know as you walked past,

660
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.119
because the path really wasn't all that
wide. But whatever it was was

661
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:45.079
walking on that on that path could
have been anything. I don't you know,

662
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:50.840
Like I said, we're just basically
coming up with some circumstantial points here

663
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.920
that it could have been something that
we you know, that we haven't discovered

664
00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:01.639
yet. The second time where we
were very close, I was doing a

665
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:10.039
more formal exhibition with a few friends
of mine and one of them and I'll

666
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:15.199
give her if you don't want to
give her shout out. Gwendolenelluh and she

667
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.840
has been also another another really good, good person to work with. But

668
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.320
this is the first time I met
Gwendolyn. We were up in the Algae

669
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:29.000
National Forest and again we were part
of basically more of a formal investigation.

670
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:34.119
There was probably about twenty of us
that were out that night. We were

671
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:40.880
out and a little road that was
that we had a gas well adjacent to

672
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:46.360
us, so the trucks would have
to come up this hill and h and

673
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:52.599
hit the gas well. There was
another road that went parallel to us,

674
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:57.599
and then down the road there was
that was where our base camp was.

675
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:02.519
Well, everything kind of all happened
at once where all of a sudden we

676
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:06.599
weren't hearing anything. We were just
kind of sitting there hanging out, playing

677
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.519
with the thermal, and all of
a sudden we get a radio call from

678
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:14.880
the base camp, which was about
a quarter a mile down the road that

679
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:21.440
something came up outside of the woodline, made a growling noise, and then

680
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:28.400
they heard the they heard the footsteps
going away. As soon as we had

681
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:35.440
turned the radio off, we heard
three wood knocks well right after that,

682
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:40.800
and they were clear boom boom boom. Then after that we heard the footfalls

683
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.960
coming up basically right in front of
us. The only problem though, was

684
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:51.480
that this was in October, so
you still had heavy vegetation, especially along

685
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.559
roadways, and we could not We
knew something was back there, we just

686
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:00.039
couldn't tell what it was. We
got to the point kind of after the

687
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.920
fact where I just looked at Gwen
and I looked at the other guy that

688
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:06.880
was with us. I said,
I'm going back there, you know,

689
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.280
let me see what's back there.
And whatever was back there was long gone.

690
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:17.719
So but again, hearing those wood
knocks, that was really something that

691
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:22.760
that you know, really, I
think with that we're talking about distance where

692
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:28.239
it may have been within twenty yards
of us, with us being outside,

693
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.880
I thought that was that was as
close as we could get. If it

694
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:32.719
was the daytime encounter, we would
have seen this thing, you know,

695
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.159
for sure. But being that it
was nighttime, you know, again we

696
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.960
had the therm where we knew something
was there, but we just couldn't get

697
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:46.039
a fix on it because of that
heavy vegetation. It kind of, you

698
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:50.400
know, brought down the experience,
just the hair, you know, but

699
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:55.480
it was still an exciting experience to
get through. I did have another experience

700
00:56:55.519 --> 00:57:00.079
a few weeks later in the A
and F where it was a little farther

701
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:07.119
away maybe you know, about seventy
yards, and that in itself was a

702
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.239
It was a It was a great
encounter. It could have been anything.

703
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:15.800
Again, there are so many things
it could have been. But again,

704
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:21.320
if you look at things in a
circumstantial way, it may lead you to

705
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.159
Okay, this is something that we
don't know about. So what happened was

706
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:30.119
a few weeks later, after we
did the formal, uh you know,

707
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:34.280
expedition up there, we decided to
do an informal expedition. So I ran

708
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.920
at the same cabin. Now this
is outside of the Benezette. This is

709
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.639
up in the A and F.
Ran at the same cabin I was at

710
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:45.639
before. It was most of most
of the same people and the only thing

711
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.480
that was at. The weather was
kind of crappy that weekend. So I

712
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:57.000
had been scouting around a new area
between the town of Kine in the town

713
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:04.599
and the city of Bradford area.
Those areas up there are again very remote,

714
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:12.400
very hard to get around. I
found what we call a primitive camp

715
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:17.800
spot, and these are scattered throughout
the Algay National Forest. You can you

716
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:22.840
can go there camp there for a
few nights and go. You don't have

717
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:28.800
to pay anything. So I had
just parked at this one. I didn't

718
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:34.280
see anyone out there, and there
was a small trail that went along the

719
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.760
creek. So as I'm going up
along the trail, I end up finding

720
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:45.119
a print and when don't you know, this print is about sixteen inches long

721
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:51.960
about five inches wide, And what
it did was it went basically diagonal across

722
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:57.559
the across the trail down towards the
creek. So I'm like, oh my

723
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.400
god, I got a this is
this is awesome. So the one thing

724
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:07.719
I did that I I I'll say
was good was I went and I put

725
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:12.079
a little stick there, you know, basically like Emily Lafleur does those flags.

726
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.039
It's similar similar, except I'm I
don't have the flag. I just

727
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:19.320
had a stick with a with a
leaf on it. So I kind of

728
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:23.840
figured out where it was marked it
and then I went back to my truck

729
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:28.159
and I said, all right,
it's four o'clock in the afternoon. Can

730
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:32.239
I get into town and get plaster? Well, the hardware store close at

731
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:39.000
four o'clock, So I ended up
going the next day, and the next

732
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:47.519
day it was funny because one thing
I'll always remember was I get up and

733
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:53.039
there was a song that was playing
on the radio that that just kinda has

734
00:59:53.119 --> 01:00:00.280
nothing to do with Bigfoot, but
it was just kind of a like just

735
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.199
like a neat little song, and
it was Tom T. Hall's I Washed

736
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.159
My Face in the Morning Do,
which is kind of like a you know,

737
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.719
like a folksy type song. I
remember listening to that driving to Caine

738
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:15.599
at like, you know, nine
o'clock in the morning after I checked out,

739
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:20.039
and the song is playing on my
my serious radio because that's the only

740
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:22.800
ready to get up there. And
I get into Cane, I get plaster,

741
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:27.760
I get a bucket. I go
back to the spot. There's no

742
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.760
one around the day before it was
loaded with hunters. It was a Sunday.

743
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:37.000
There was no one because you couldn't
hunt that Sunday. So I get

744
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.840
up there and I you know,
go back up to where the print was.

745
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:44.679
Unfortunately, it rained the night before
this, so the print degraded.

746
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:47.519
And what I should have done,
now thinking in hindsight, was I should

747
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:52.800
have covered it, even if I
had like a plastic box something that I

748
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.800
could cover to make sure that that
that print didn't degrade as much as it

749
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.519
did, but it was still enough
there that I can I said, you

750
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:05.159
know what I'm gonna I'm gonna cast
it. It's very hard to find Prince

751
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:08.000
in Pennsylvania in at first place,
so I'm just casting it. So I

752
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:13.119
go up, mixed it, cast
it. I walked down, down,

753
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.000
back down to my truck. So
I'm sitting there and again there's no cell

754
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:20.239
service, so I'm just looking.
I'm kind of a map nerd, so

755
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.920
I'm looking at maps. I'm looking
to see where I'm at, and you

756
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:27.440
know, doing all that stuff.
And all of a sudden, I hear

757
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:32.840
something and I look in about seventy
yards along the roadway, I see this

758
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:40.199
tree shaking. And when I see
this tree shaking, the way I described

759
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:45.679
it was if like you know,
for people growing up in the nineteen nineties,

760
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.000
they would have those contests where you'd
go into it like a phone booth

761
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.719
and all the dollar bills would be
flying around you'd have to catch them.

762
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.519
I don't know if you remember anything
like that, but you know, like

763
01:01:55.559 --> 01:02:00.280
those like big money booth things.
That's how violent this tree was being shook

764
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:05.239
that the leaves are just coming down, almost like it was ring. All

765
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.920
the other trees were fine. This
was being shook, but I didn't see

766
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:14.679
anything there. So the one thing, and again there's things that you do

767
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.440
in hindsight, and I'll go after
and I'll go over this at the end.

768
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:22.119
Here I didn't do which I should
have done, was I should have

769
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:27.280
taken my phone out immediately, and
I didn't. I was just so in

770
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:32.400
shock, like what the heck is
going on? And so I'm sitting there

771
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:37.000
and I'm like, okay, So
I finally put the video camera on,

772
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:44.800
but it stopped. I don't know
where whatever was there it went. So

773
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:47.239
I'm sitting there and the one thing
I learned as a police officer, which

774
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:52.480
you know, hopefully would serve its
purpose to other people as well, is

775
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:59.599
if you run into whether it's bigfoot, if it's a wild animal, anything

776
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:00.719
like that, what do you want
to do is you want to try and

777
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:05.119
remain calm, and you also want
to try to talk to it too.

778
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:09.639
You know, I've I've had pipulls
like you know, running at me and

779
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:12.599
I'll sit there and say, listen, I don't want to hurt you.

780
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:15.840
And that was one thing I said, you know, was hey, I'm

781
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.760
just here for research. I don't
have any sort of weapons on me.

782
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:24.760
I'm not gonna hurt you. I'm
just here for research. You know,

783
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:29.519
you can come up. If you
come up, I'll get your picture.

784
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:31.280
I might take a hair off you. I don't know, you know.

785
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:38.119
But I'm sitting here trying to talk
and stay calm. So that really didn't

786
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:43.280
help all that much. But I
did my best, and I did kind

787
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:45.039
of you know, I kept my
heartbeat, you know, a little lower

788
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.639
than it would have been. But
I was like, all right, you

789
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:51.079
know what, it's only been about
twenty minutes. But I'm going up.

790
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:52.960
I'm getting that cast. I'm getting
out of here. So I go up

791
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:59.559
and it's up the trail a little
bit, grabbed the cast, brought it

792
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.320
back out and clean I figured out
clean it when I got back to the

793
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:06.719
house. So I get in the
truck and I go over to the area

794
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:14.440
where the tree was, and I
documented this that where the tree was,

795
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:19.840
there was about a seven foot ditch. And what it was was this was

796
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:26.599
created probably back in the in the
logging days or maybe with the you know,

797
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:32.239
conservation cour days, as basically a
water runoff ditch that was down this

798
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:39.159
mountain. There was this ditch that
and unfortunately it was all rock at the

799
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:45.239
bottom of it. But something could
have been down in that ditch shaking the

800
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.079
base of the tree without me knowing
it. The one thing is is that

801
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:54.239
this was during the rut for a
year. But if I had seen if

802
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.039
it was during the rut and you
had a buck that was going up there

803
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:02.440
to do this, you would see
that bu You know, whatever was doing

804
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:11.960
this was shaking it very violently,
but also keeping itself hidden. It may

805
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.760
have thought that I did have a
weapon. It may have thought that I

806
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.960
may not have had, you know, the best intentions, but whatever it

807
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:25.320
was did not make itself known.
And so again I'm kind of it could

808
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.360
have been a deer that maybe was
down there and was just shaking it.

809
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.400
I don't know. It was just
coincidental that we found the print in that

810
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:36.320
same area, and it was a
relatively fresh print. That print was when

811
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:40.079
I saw it on Saturday. I
collected on Sunday. When I saw it

812
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:44.679
on Saturday, that print had to
have been at least you know, or

813
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:47.079
at the most forty eight hours,
because again there was no degradation. I

814
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:55.760
actually saw toeprints in it. So
again this was just something that really kind

815
01:05:55.760 --> 01:06:01.440
of you know, made me think
that this could be anything up there,

816
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:06.159
you know, and and it was
really a good encounter. It was a

817
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:12.079
good learning encounter for me as well. The one thing that I want to

818
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.719
bring up that I said I talked
about at the end was the whole using

819
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:23.119
your camera. Again, I'm trained
as a police officer, so the one

820
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:29.760
thing that I am trained for is
you know, the use of my firearm.

821
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:34.199
I could go and we have what
uh what are called you know,

822
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:41.239
well, we have the locking holster. So there's specific movements I have to

823
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:45.599
make to release the gun from the
holster. And we're trained that Okay,

824
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:47.800
if we see something, I can
get my gun out of that holster,

825
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:54.519
making two or three different maneuvers within
you know, like a fraction of a

826
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:59.679
second, you know, basically like
half a second at the most. One

827
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:05.239
thing Bigfoot researchers need to do is
to, like I practice with the firearm.

828
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:10.840
Don't practice with the farm. Please
don't do that. But what you

829
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:14.440
need to do, because I've learned
from this, and I learned the hard

830
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:19.119
way, is learn to get that
camera out, get that camera on video

831
01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:25.280
a SAP. Even if you just
sit there like we did you know,

832
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:28.760
like we would have blue guns that
we'd have in our whole strom. Snap,

833
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:34.400
snap, click up. Take your
phone and if it's on your in

834
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:39.880
a pocket, if it's you know, in your hand, get a practice

835
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:44.079
to having it up and turning it
on. I think, you know,

836
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:47.960
even having a button there, you
know that that you can automatically get it,

837
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:53.480
get that camera up and recording would
be fantastic. We have to learn

838
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:59.880
to do this because some of these
encounters happen with such with within a few

839
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:03.800
seconds. So if you're able to
get your phone out, get that phone

840
01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:09.559
on record, you know, then
at least you have something. And the

841
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:14.960
one thing that I'm really kind of
upset at is I wish that I would

842
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:19.279
have, you know, grabbed that
camera when that tree was shaking. And

843
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:24.960
the the other thing too, is
there may be something that your eyes won't

844
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:30.119
see that may be on that camera. You could sit there and put the

845
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.600
camera out, have it on.
Your eyes are looking at maybe the top

846
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:39.000
of the tree, you're looking at
the leaves coming down. You go to

847
01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.720
look at that later on and you're
gonna see, Okay, was there an

848
01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:45.840
antler that was around the base of
the tree, Was there a hand that

849
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:49.000
was at the base of a tree. Was it something else, you know,

850
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:54.800
kind of a wild squirrel may had
decided to come in and costume chaos.

851
01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:57.760
Probably not, you know, because
it's not going to make the leaves

852
01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:02.960
awfull down like that. But again, your eyes may be fixated on one

853
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:09.119
particular part of that. You have
that video going, and you may be

854
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:13.439
able to see you know, even
something leaving you know, through that ditch

855
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:17.640
or you know, uh, you
know going you know, laying down.

856
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:21.079
You may not see that with your
eyes, but you will catch that with

857
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:27.079
that camera. Yeah, I think
that's that is great advice with having the

858
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:30.680
camera ready or being able to get
it ready. It reminds me of like

859
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:34.279
what the NAWAC you guys are doing
now, where they have the cameras ready

860
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:40.600
at a second's notice, where they
can just fire off and get tons of

861
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:44.720
different photos. I mean, that's
that's how we're going to get the evidence

862
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:49.000
is exactly ready to take the video
or or the photos for sure exactly.

863
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:55.399
So you know. It's it's those
type of encounters that really make you think

864
01:09:55.720 --> 01:10:01.079
and and again it's something that you'll
learn from so uh, you know,

865
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:03.720
for any of the researchers are out
there, you know, get used to

866
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:06.720
working with that, you know,
getting that phone out, getting that picture,

867
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:13.439
and it will you know maybe from
that, you know, we may

868
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.079
be able to get you know,
something better, you know, than than

869
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:21.720
what we've ever had before. So
you know, even Matt Moneymaker talks about

870
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:27.560
dash cams on on cars. Uh, it's not such a bad idea.

871
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:31.800
First, you know, from my
perspective, it helps out like if you

872
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:35.479
get hit, if you get into
two hundred car accident or anything, you

873
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:39.960
know, on on that side.
But then on this side, you know,

874
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.000
like I said, you have something
that runs out in front of you.

875
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.279
You don't know what it is.
You know, hey, you know

876
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.520
what I can. I could go
to the next pull off, slow it

877
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:50.359
down? Okay, you know,
hey, you know what it was just

878
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:56.520
a bear that was that was just
running you know it just like you know,

879
01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:00.720
all out you know, across the
across the road or Okay, it's

880
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:05.920
not a bear because I see long
arms, you know, and so it's

881
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:11.119
really uh, you know, having
something like that again, our eyes fixate

882
01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:15.479
on one thing, and having a
camera like that or taking photos like that,

883
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:21.720
either photos or video allow you to
see those things that your eyes aren't

884
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:30.000
immediately showing you. And I want
to also mention you've had some really really

885
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:35.119
interesting things happen. I you had
some definitely close calls. Thank you for

886
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:41.520
sharing those. Yeah, yeah,
I wanted to ask and bring up you've

887
01:11:41.520 --> 01:11:45.159
got some You've got some other things
going on right now. I mean you've

888
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:50.319
got like, can you talk about
cryptic wilderness for a little bit? Sure?

889
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:53.680
Absolutely, what you do with that
and all that kind of stuff,

890
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:59.520
absolutely, I mean I don't I
don't do a lot with it right now,

891
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.439
but I am. I have them
in place, and I have been

892
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:11.159
putting stuff out there. I do
have cryptic Wilderness on Twitter and also on

893
01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:14.319
Facebook, and I just started a
YouTube page. If you go to the

894
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:19.319
YouTube page and look up cryptic Wilderness, it actually I actually have the basically

895
01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:26.039
the aftermath of the Aligaty National Force
incident I talked about instant I had up

896
01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:31.920
at the my old hunting camp in
Clinton County, and so it really is

897
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:41.399
interesting. I true try I try
to have The original intent was to talk

898
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:45.960
about all sorts of lore, whether
it was paranormal, crypto, with the

899
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:51.000
emphasis on crypto, even just some
legends, local legends from the area.

900
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:58.039
But it really kind of evolved into
cryptozoological, you know, specifically bigfoot.

901
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.239
And what I also do too is
I also talk a lot about nature in

902
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:06.279
itself, you know, being in
the outdoors, what you need to do

903
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:11.720
to prep to be in the outdoors. So it's things like that that I

904
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:16.560
do try to get out and I'll
be doing a few more videos in the

905
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:20.840
near future. One of the one
that I want to show was about using

906
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:27.399
your iPhone or your cell phone as
a GPS, using some of the different

907
01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:31.840
programs out there. I've used that. I've been in some pretty remote areas

908
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.800
here in PA, nothing like that
least, but you know, there's still

909
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:41.479
places where, again there's no cell
phone service, you're you're miles and miles

910
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:45.319
away from help, but having that, you know, on your phone,

911
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:48.920
could save your life. So it's
little things like that that I try to

912
01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:53.439
you know, kind of push and
what I'm going through. I also talk

913
01:13:53.479 --> 01:14:00.760
a lot about nature too, because
again there may be signs of animal scat

914
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:03.680
and well, you know, bigfoots
have to poop too, you know,

915
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:11.079
And I know that's a that's probably
gonna be the title of this, but

916
01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:15.520
but the one thing is is that
is that you know there's differences between bear

917
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:25.119
poop, coyote poop, regular domestic
dog. There's differences in the tracks.

918
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:30.319
So being able to you know,
kind of eyeball something. Don't touch it,

919
01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:34.279
but being able to eyeball it and
kind of get an idea will help

920
01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:42.199
the you know, will help the
researcher in determining whether this is something that

921
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.800
you know, may need to be
collected or something just to pass on,

922
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:49.159
you know, pass by. So
that's where I really do try to get

923
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:55.680
a push in with the pages themselves. I'm not looking for any sort of

924
01:14:55.720 --> 01:15:00.159
notoriety. I'm not looking for any
sort of uh, you know know,

925
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:06.000
get my name out there. It's
basically you know, education. You know,

926
01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:13.880
it's one person that I haven't met, but is definitely another mentor for

927
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:17.119
me. Would be like doctor Russ
Jones you know where, yeah where.

928
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:20.720
He's a naturalist. You know,
now he has his job as a chiropractor,

929
01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:25.960
but as a doctor, but you
know he does this, you know,

930
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:30.479
he he knows you know, the
natural world there in West Virginia like

931
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:36.079
the back of his hand. He
he really tries to emphasize you know,

932
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:42.560
being out there, being out there
safe, and so again I I do

933
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.319
try to kind of, you know, more or less be in that type

934
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:49.880
of vein where I'm not again not
looking just to put a name out there,

935
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:55.960
but to help people help, you
know, future researchers, help even

936
01:15:56.039 --> 01:16:01.880
current researchers. They're out there,
absolutely, and I'll definitely have the links

937
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:08.640
to that in the show notes.
People want to go over subscribe to YouTube

938
01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:13.479
channel and watch the videos that have
to do with what we talked about tonight,

939
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:15.039
kind of flush that out a little
bit, that would be awesome.

940
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:20.600
But Matt, this has been a
super fun discussion tonight in a chat with

941
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:29.119
you, it's been really really I've
learned a lot about Pennsylvania, wonderful,

942
01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:31.399
more than I knew. I grew
up in Western mass but I didn't know

943
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:38.199
a lot about Pennsylvania. But thank
you so much for coming on. Do

944
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:44.359
you mind taking a few minutes If
there's anything else that you want to make

945
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:49.119
sure people know that you've got coming
up, please take a few minutes to

946
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:55.439
share how people can keep up to
date with you. Okay, definitely.

947
01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:59.920
They can follow me on They can
follow me on Twitter under cryptic while,

948
01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:03.640
which is cryptic Wilderness. If you
type in that, that will get you

949
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:10.039
there. Cryptic Wilderness on Facebook,
Cryptic Wilderness on YouTube. The one thing

950
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.279
I did want to talk about,
which we didn't get to, I was

951
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:16.439
kind of I was kind of like
teasing, gives you the teaser about it

952
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:19.239
is I wanted to talk about my
Bigfoot movie I went to make. Oh

953
01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:24.880
my goodness, yeah please yeah,
yeah, put you so anyway, Yeah,

954
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:30.479
anyways, my very very good friend
Gwen, who is from gott Knockers,

955
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:34.359
great, great person, you know, definitely uh you know, follow

956
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:39.520
her and follow gott Knockers. It's
a it's a great group. Is Gwendolyn

957
01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:44.159
Percell right, Gwendolyn Purcell, Yes, she is. She is awesome.

958
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:49.439
So anyways, we were out doing
a just a small expedition, you know,

959
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:55.640
her and one or two other people
I believe they are from They were

960
01:17:55.640 --> 01:18:03.279
from that car program and we outside
of Elysburg, which is actually you know,

961
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:09.800
a pretty mountainous by the mountains and
farms and throughout that area. So

962
01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:15.159
one of the guys that was with
us, we heard a rock you get

963
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:17.159
thrown. I don't know if it
was a rock, could have been an

964
01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:21.960
acorn, I'm not sure, but
he had said, hey, why don't

965
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:29.560
we throw the rock back? I
said, oh heck no. Because if

966
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:35.079
you got something that could throw a
rock whizzing past your face at like one

967
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:39.960
hundred miles an hour and you're gonna
throw a rock down, I want to

968
01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:44.159
get into a rock battle with somebody
that could throw like that in the dark.

969
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:49.399
So from that that spawned my idea. So anyways, Seth Breedlove,

970
01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:55.479
if you're listening, Bobcat gold Weight, I have you in mind. So

971
01:18:56.239 --> 01:19:02.000
what I have is Bobcat gold Weight
is gonna start my movie. He's gonna

972
01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:08.800
be a talent scout for the Major
League Baseball and he needs to get that

973
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:15.840
one more star or the team is
gonna drop him. So somehow he's driving

974
01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:19.960
around you know, the mountains of
southern California and runs into a bigfoot,

975
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:26.840
and the bigfoot runs away from him, starts throwing rocks at him, and

976
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:30.680
he says, hey, you know
what I could get you to play baseball?

977
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:36.239
And somehow this bigfoot comes back with
Bob kat coldwait. They sign on

978
01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:41.319
to the LA Dodgers, and the
Bigfoot ends up becoming you know, the

979
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:45.680
next starring pitcher of the of the
World Series. The only thing, though,

980
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:48.680
is that the only thing that I
was thinking about was that in order

981
01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:51.760
for that to be successful, they'd
have to dim the lights down a little

982
01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:56.560
bit. Yeah, they can't have
all those big great stadium lights going right.

983
01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:59.920
Yeah, you know, they'd have
to dimhim down for her Bigfoot.

984
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.079
But you know, you got something
that would throw like a one hundred and

985
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:08.399
fifty mile an hour fastball, you
know, and I'm sure Bigfoot could probably

986
01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:12.600
learn how to throw curveballs and sliders
and everything. So I think that would

987
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:17.000
be the perfect movie for Bobcat Goldweight, you know, and you know,

988
01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:23.720
for for a good Bigfoot movie.
But going again and really quick before I

989
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:29.000
I you know, just kind of
in the same I mentioned about Sethburry Love.

990
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:34.680
One comment I made on Facebook that
I think is going to stand is

991
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:44.600
the STM team, you know,
between him alex Eli, these guys here

992
01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:50.680
are what Patterson and Gilman were back
in the sixties. These guys here are

993
01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:56.039
going to find Yeah. I believe
in the next you know, year or

994
01:20:56.079 --> 01:21:00.560
two, they've gotten so close already
they are going to get something on camera.

995
01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:04.239
I I I don't doubt it.
Yeah, the way that they do

996
01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:11.000
things, I've I've watched them,
you know, they're they're excellent outdoors people

997
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:19.600
and Alex is very very impressive with
with what he does, and I think

998
01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:25.880
that the way that they put themselves
out there and what they do is is

999
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:30.239
amazing. And I do think that
you know, it's gonna come down to

1000
01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:34.199
one of these one of their documentaries, They're going to get something on film.

1001
01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:39.760
I I I really really have faith
in them. And then also you

1002
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:44.079
have the other other people along with
that tape great guy. I was telling

1003
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:48.920
you before the show, I saw
his series with where he came to Iowa

1004
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:53.760
with you and he was going across
the country. It was really, uh,

1005
01:21:54.640 --> 01:22:00.359
really an outstanding program. So I
think we have a good crop of

1006
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:04.880
researchers that are out there doing the
right thing. And it really gives me

1007
01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:09.399
a lot of faith that I think
that we're going to have, you know,

1008
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:13.039
we're gonna have some really good evidence
in the next year or two.

1009
01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:19.640
It is really cool. Like in
sometimes these guys will go out as a

1010
01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:27.760
group. You'll have people like Alex
will Alex Pettakov will be doing Beyond the

1011
01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:30.600
Trail. But you'll also have you
know, like Tait Haranis will be doing

1012
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:36.279
his Sasquatch Search for Sabby series.
Sometimes you'll have Jonathan easily there doing Western

1013
01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:43.600
Bigfoot exploration. You'll have Ron Man
Reid doing his thing too, so because

1014
01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:46.119
you have all these things going on
at the same time, people capturing video.

1015
01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:50.840
Yes, I agree, there's a
there's a huge likelihood that we are

1016
01:22:51.560 --> 01:23:00.399
very close to finally getting something on
camera again reputably believe it. Yeah,

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we're not going to get into that. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1018
01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:08.000
Yeah, So yeah, No,
I totally agree with you, Matt.

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It has been a fun time chatting. I'll have to definitely keep in

1020
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touch with you, and absolutely I
think you'll be having some some other cool

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01:23:18.439 --> 01:23:21.399
things happen in the future as well. But I hope, so, I

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hope so. So Again, I
thank you so much for for allowing me

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to be on your show. It
has been a pleasure. I've been listening

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to your show pretty much from the
onset, so it was always a great

1025
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podcast to listen to. In fact, I would go through the Suscan area

1026
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:48.840
listening to your podcast, so because
i'd have to go up we have a

1027
01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:55.920
we have a place to go to
up there for to send out a lab

1028
01:23:56.000 --> 01:24:00.560
stuff, and so I'd always take
the backway through the Suscan road and it

1029
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:08.600
was your Bigfoot Society was always like
number one on my on my Apple list,

1030
01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:14.319
so it definitely definitely had some wonderful
shows on are cool. Thank you

1031
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.520
well, thanks again for hanging out
tonight, Matt. Yeah, definitely definitely,

1032
01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:23.359
thank you, Jeremiah, and and
again thanks to your listeners there.

1033
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They've been great and and you know, hopefully you can get me and Sean

1034
01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:30.720
out here, you know, and
we'd love to tell you come on and

1035
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.720
hopefully we will have some great,
great stuff for you over this summer.

1036
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:38.399
So just wanted to take a few
minutes to say thank you to you all

1037
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my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out

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Here's the list, all right,
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week to announce that I'll be at
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atender. I won't be presenting or
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to interview people that have had bigfoot
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1049
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Oregon area or surrounding and you've had
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1050
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Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
Also, Priscilla was nice enough that if

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1056
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that helps keep the show going and
I extremely appreciate it. One more thing.

1057
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Okay, here's the deal. So
we're at the point guys where it

1058
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:23.159
is there's no stopping us. We
are going to full time podcast no matter

1059
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:26.800
what. But I need your help
to get there. I figured it out,

1060
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and we need approximately seven hundred more
people in the Patreon in order to

1061
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:41.520
reach our goal of going full time
actually able to go to places people that

1062
01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:45.880
have been having bigfoot activity, interview
them face to face. Check it out

1063
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:51.000
for myself, all that good stuff. If you guys can. Guys,

1064
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this is the time. If you
can, at any time become a supporting

1065
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member of the big for Society,
go to patrin Jon dot com forward slash

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the Bigfoot Society. I would appreciate
it. It's going to help us get

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to the next level, pretty much
the final level. You guys are amazing

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for listening. If you can't become
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everywhere. You can share it with
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a world to me as well.
Thank you all for listening, and we'll

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see you next time. Her and
I can get out here, we can

1072
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:24.720
tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody
else out there listening it's too afraid to

1073
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:28.720
tell their story. Maybe this will
give them the courage to come out.

1074
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And I don't feel so bad about
it. Who cares what anybody's thinks.

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I know what I saw, I
know what's out there. That's all I

1076
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care. Please let people know,
Please let them know. If you ever

1077
01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:00.479
see one of these things, you
need to tell because if you don't,

1078
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then shame on you, you know, shame on you.