Oct. 14, 2024

Radium Sasquatch with Logan Schoessow

Join the Bigfoot Society as they delve into the intriguing world of Bigfoot research with Logan Schoessow, who collaborates with renowned researcher Todd Standing. In this episode, Logan shares his journey into the Sasquatch community, starting with...

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Season 1

Join the Bigfoot Society as they delve into the intriguing world of Bigfoot research with Logan Schoessow, who collaborates with renowned researcher Todd Standing. In this episode, Logan shares his journey into the Sasquatch community, starting with an interest sparked by listening to 'Coast to Coast AM' and leading to active participation in field research. Logan recounts his experiences in the remote wilderness of British Columbia, from hearing eerie sounds and discovering footprints to his personal encounters with the elusive Bigfoot. Discover how Logan uses cutting-edge technology and an innovative app to further the research and documentation of Bigfoot activity. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this conversation offers fascinating insights into the ongoing quest to uncover the mysteries of Sasquatch.

Resources:

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All right, big for Society. You've got the privilege of

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talking to Logan Chessau today. He's an individual he's currently

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collaborating with mister Todd Standing on some different Bigfoot projects.

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We'll be definitely hearing about that tonight. But how are

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you doing today, Logan? I'm doing great, awesome. But I'm

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glad that you were able to come on the show

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and talk about your history with Sasquatch over the years,

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and I'd love to actually start with that. What was

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it that first got you involved in this wild community

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and being involved with such a high level individual such

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as time.

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It's not too complex of the story.

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I think I started off really getting into bigfoot listening

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to old school and radio coast to coasts.

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I know a lot of people may have not started.

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That way, So I always really enjoyed listening to bigfoot stuff.

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Didn't really get too much into the documentaries or finding

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Bigfoot when I was a little bit younger, just because

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it didn't really seem to ever produce anything. So I

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always just loved listening to people's accounts of Bigfoot or

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researchers that are getting into the science.

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So this side passion of mine for probably the last

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ten years.

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And then yeah, after that, like I said, this is

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before I even started listening to podcasts. I think it

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was about twenty nineteen. I got late into the podcast

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world just I don't know why. I just always listened

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to the Coast when I had a second to do

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something and I heard so I'm standing on there he

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was talking to at the time, I think it was

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George Knapp, and he was given some detailed accounts and

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from an outsider's look, kind of fantastical stories and ended

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it with a call of the if you don't believe me,

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I'll take you out and show you the thing. And

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I've never really heard anyone give that, you know, call

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to action. And I was like, who is this guy?

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I don't understand what. I've never heard of him, I've

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never heard of his documentary. And I've got three kids.

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I don't have a lot of time.

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To watch a lot of TV.

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So I found a documentary watched it twice, and I

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was like, this is you know, if it's legitimate, it's amazing.

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I don't how come nobody's really talking about this? And

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I think a lot of people were it's just behind

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the ball a little bit, and a lot of people

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were dismissive and apprehensive and all the above. But I

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know after getting a note Todd, he's been around the

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Bigfoot world for a really.

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Long time, So just behind eight balls on my side.

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So I was like, if I'm going to go out

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and really get into this subject, I want to go

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out with someone that claims they had activity.

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I want someone.

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That's as much as an expert as they can be.

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Decided to reach out to him, and it took months

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to get like a follow up because he's a busy guy,

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And he finally got back to me and we chatted

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and the discovery of Bigfoot kind of started from there.

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Fascinating. I'm just curious being a Coast to coast fan

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and I don't get to talk to too many of those.

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Usually people will bring up something else, like in Search

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of or Monster Quest or something like that. But did

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you have a favorite episode from all those years of

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listening to the program?

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I just I don't know if I can think of

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a favorite.

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I feel like I heard the guy from those the

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other Bigfoot podcasts on their West. I feel like I

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heard him on Coast to Coast because his story when

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I later heard in the like in the five Years

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Down the Road, I felt.

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Like he came on Coast to Coast and told that.

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Story already, So that one kind of rings a bell

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off the top of my head. But I don't know,

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I just always enjoyed listening to it. There wasn't any anyone.

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That really stood out, but I always found it like.

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So fascinating how it could be this people in the

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woods that we haven't really truly discovered, at least in

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this day and age.

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We haven't absolutely, you know. I listened to a few episodes.

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My favorite Bigfoot episode on that show is definitely Bugs

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the Texas Hunter and Robert W. Morgan and he had

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the buried bodies down there, and allegedly Art had the

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map how to find them, but he lost the map

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in a move of his studio or home. So it's

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a wild interview. But listeners haven't found that before. You

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can find it on YouTube, I think. But so you

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get introduced to Todd through Coast to Coast, which is

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really cool, and then you say, hey, let's go for it.

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Takes a few months and then you get up there

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in Todd's area.

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Yeah. So our first time out kind of expraditialized was

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taught with Todd was September of twenty twenty one, so

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I was out there for seven days with him with

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another there's me Todd in another Canadian from them called

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Red Deer, And yeah, that was my first I talked

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to Todd on the phone because he likes to vet

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people because he wants people that are really into the

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subject and not just the wrong tap of people that

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are there not.

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To have an experience. I'll just put it that way.

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So he looks for the right mentality in the sense

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and kind of weeds out some of the people that

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aren't really real or because there is an expense to it,

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and that's where he makes some of his living is

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taking people out and trying to show him you can

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imagine week away from their family. It's not it's time,

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it's money and energy. So he wants the right type

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of person out there with him.

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Yeah. Back in September twenty one, I went.

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Out there and I had i'd say the first time

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three to four different experiences out there the very first

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go round, which were from my standpoint, I was amazed

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by it because I didn't really know what to expect.

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I'd gone through his footage and tried to do the

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human thing of debunking and trying to find as much

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stuff on Google that I could, and you know, all

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I could find.

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Really was a lot of.

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Conjecture and there wasn't a lot of real Okay, how

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did he actually.

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Get this footage? There was a lot of weird.

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Accusations of like robotics and these muppets, and I was

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more or less, you know, I don't really see that like,

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so I wanted to get to know thought as a person.

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And then I also learned.

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To see what evidence he had and go out into

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the woods with him and have, you know, be open

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minded and have an experience. And if anything, it's in

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the British Clubia Canada, So that was the beautiful area.

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You know. To me, getting down the woods is I

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like to get out all of the fresh air. I

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love the country.

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So even if it was going to produce nothing, I

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was going to be happy with it from my standpoint.

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But produce something, and it keeps producing things for me,

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I'd say it was a second day there.

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We didn't get there till.

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About nine o'clock at night and it was dark outside,

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and I didn't Again, I didn't know what to expect.

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It's a good four hours out into the mountains.

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It's really is remote there.

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There's no there's no cellphone coverage, there's no power, there's

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no anything. It's basically in a mountain range, in the

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space in between radium and if you want to give

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it like a map view between radium hot springs and

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like damp and there's a river that goes down the

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middle there and if you get a pine nuff you

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can see both mountain ranges. So you know. That next

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day we were out and he was showing it basically

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started with footprints, Like I can't remember the exact timeframe,

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but these bigfoot had left where there's like this hill

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probably seventy five to one hundred yards away from his

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main base camp, and they had left He's yeah, I

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can't remember the exact link, but they were anywhere from

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probably sixteen inches eighteen inches.

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Long footprints that were going up the.

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Basically it's a bounce back moss going up this hill.

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So eventually those footprints went away, but they were pretty

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interesting to look at. From the first time or that

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had never been and actually seen a big foot footprint.

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That was pretty convincing. So they led him up this hill.

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Like I said, I can't remember the exact time frame,

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six months to a year and somewhere in there.

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So he had started.

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To put in his gifting apples up on this kind

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of this elevated hill and would climb this tree, put

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them about anywhere from twelve to fifteen feet there, anywhere

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from four apples to fifteen.

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Apples at a time.

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Right, So he was showing in Cesaria, and I got

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on his shoulders and talked about six foot three and

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he's a strong guy who he prides himself and trying

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to be fit. So I got on his shoulders and

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put all these apples up, and he was just showing

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the lay of the land, and he said, well, I

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usually will make a call when.

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I put the apple gifting out, and I have.

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He was going through his theories about these calls, and

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he was saying he didn't really think they're.

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Like wood knocks.

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He thought they were more of a rock knock because

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he just didn't see how you could produce such a

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large sound with wood on wood and some of his

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stuff has remained true, and some of his opinions have changed.

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It could be a rock knock from his opinion now,

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or it could be them making the sound of their

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mind like a large click with their tongue. Or I

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wouldn't really know how they did it. But that's a

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secondary stance that I think he takes now. But so

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he basically he asked Craig, the guy I was with,

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to pick up a rock and hit this gifting tree

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with it. And so he said, hit it as hard

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as you can. It's going to hurt your hand, it'll

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make a large sound, and we'll wait for a response. Right,

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So Craig picks up the rock about the side of

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his hand because it's the Rocky Mountain, so there's just

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some random rocks laying here and there, and he picked

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it up and hits it, and we're sitting there waiting

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for about thirty to forty seconds and we get this

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huge response back. And it's about eleven somewhere between eleven

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eleven thirty am in the morning mountain time. And we

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make a response and the response to get back is

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like four to five times louder. If I could have

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recorded it, I could have told you, it was just

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so booming, like I couldn't understand how something could make

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such a large sound, and I could tell directionally which

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way it came from. It was northwest of the main campsite,

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on the other side of his camping trailer, and it

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was just like, what, seriously, we're already getting interactions here.

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That was amazing with it, To be honest, posts.

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That we did go and try to, like whenever we

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hear sounds, and whenever he hears sounds, he tried to

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look for evidence of that sound. We waited a little

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bit because we wanted to give him space. So we

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did end up going and finding tracks that were going

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up the other side of this other ridge where that

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sound came from.

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And then there was a rock that was dislodged from

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this kind of ridge. I don't know that's what.

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Made it sound, but you could clearly see like a

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rock that was taken on the ground and placed about

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fifteen feet higher, and it looked you can tell learning

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out in the woods that what looks fresh and what doesn't.

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It looked fairly recent, so it was pretty impressive to

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find that.

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I think we did a.

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Video reenactment on his channels for it and this would

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have been like a.

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One.

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But yeah, that was like the first moment I was like,

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maybe maybe this is all legitimate. I didn't really know

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Todd that well, but he was. All the stuff you

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had shown me was really impressing me. And if you

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just have to go out there that there's not people

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running out in the woods making sounds there, it's just

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so remote and it's not feasible. It's like one hundred

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percent not feasible for him to have anyone out there.

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So that's what started it going there. But it was

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pretty memorable having that first experience.

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Yeah, that is quite a way to start out, and

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from what I've heard it is it's pretty hard to

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get to that area, Like it takes a pretty extended

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period of time to get just to the research area.

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Yeah, it takes about somewhere.

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It'sween three and a half four hours from what you

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fly into, which is Calgary, Alberta. So it's still a

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distance to travel there and actually get there, and it's

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pretty much way that country.

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There's nobody there, gotcha probably going out on the equivalent

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of forest service roads at the end stuff like that.

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Yeah, there's an old for service road there's some old

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forestry trails that we take back there that haven't been

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really logged in probably eighty years, so you can still

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see some of the trails they made, but you can

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tell that they haven't been there for seventy five eighty years.

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They're real old, and it's right on the cut line

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of a national forest out there, so you can tell

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where the old growth force starts in the new growth

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where they cut eighty years ago starts, because it just

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looks completely different when you pass that imaginary line.

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You mentioned gifting that apples, and those have been seen

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in the documentary as well. Has he ever used anything

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belt besides apples in a gifting situation.

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I think he's tried other types of fruit, and I

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think one of the extraditioners actually brought like a watermelon

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out there at one point like that, I just put

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it out there on a stump. The problem with it

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is that's a very country, So anything you put out

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there that can go bad or has a potential for

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a bear to get it or search it out big.

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For society who will be right back after these messages.

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It's kind of it's a little dangerous, a little irresponsible.

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So he really likes apples just because they stayed good

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for a long time out there, and he hasn't really

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had a lot of success in talking with him with

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other types of fruit. I think put out power bars

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with survigger Man. I think that was moregra Man's doing

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than his. But I think his gift to choice is

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apple's just because of the how long they say them.

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It's easy to go out and replace them. If a

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burder squirrel gets to them, just pull them down sticking

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them up.

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Sure you mentioned that there are also bears in the area.

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What other predators do you guys have to be aware

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of while you're out in this remote area in addition

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potentially to Bigfoot, it's.

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Brown bears, black bears, mountain lions, wolves, those are the

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main ones.

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Really.

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It's the bears and the mountain lions that are the

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ones that we're more wary of, as most of the

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bears out there very much while like they don't see

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a lot of humans, those are the ones that are

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We try to stay away.

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And make not a lot of scent.

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And the way he cooks meals is very smart as

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far as everything is cre made and you burned it

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all on the fire.

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He's very cognizant of.

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Being safe and having people safe out there, because he's

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been through a couple of different bears that have come

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up on him and tad to take care of himself,

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so he he's very cognizant of that. And there are

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just map mions out there. The wolves are a little

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less dangerous just because most wolves won't they're not really

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interested in humans unless you try to feed them, and

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though that's not a good idea because then they will

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kill you. So he's a bit of a wilderness expert tracker.

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He's been out there and done it all for the

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last twenty years and he's really integrated into a bunch

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of different Indian tribes that he's worked with, and like

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his mentor was an Indian elder that taught him a

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whole lot of stuff about a whole lot of different things.

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So he takes a lot of that knowledge base and

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tries to teach some of it. And he's real into

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ecology and the plants and the things that grow there

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and what the bears would eat and where they'd go,

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and you know, it's all about basically just how the

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animals move out there the seasons, and he uses that

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in the aspect of the sense of bigfoot as well,

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what they would eat, what they would track, what they

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would consume, like, what kind of prey they would do.

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As far as honestly not being from.

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The area, it's really informative and good to learn about

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a bunch of that stuff, just because you don't really

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think through that all when you're arn't chair quarterback and bigfoot, right,

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So he cuts a lot of effort into it.

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Absolutely, there's a question that just came to mind. You

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have those shots in Todd's documentary that everyone thinks about,

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the shots where you see the face of the Sasquatch

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a few times, right, And I myself have had an

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interview where gentlemen from Oregon, from the Lamit National Forest

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area actually he described what he saw as being a

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face that looked very similar to one of those faces

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that Todd had in his documentary. Is that Do you

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guys ever get contacts as well from people that have

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watched your documentary saying I've also seen something that looks

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similar to that or is it kind of few and

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far between.

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I'm just now getting people reach out to me just

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because I'm getting more involved.

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But Todd definitely.

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Has had people reach out to him and say they've

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actually seen some of those bigfoot, or they've seen similar

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ones that look very similar as far as facial features.

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There's a couple of people that reached out to him.

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I've actually seen some of the big foot that he's

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had in this documentary and like gave descriptions that unless

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you have seen this bigfoot, that you wouldn't know otherwise.

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Or he's gone into some details about scarring and some

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other scars that some of these bigfoot have on them.

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And when people call him and say, hey, I think

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I saw.

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Your big foot, did it have this on its body?

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And that's post validation for him that they probably did

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see the same one that he did. So he has

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stories like that, and I have no reason not to

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believe him because to me, time hasn't been nothing but authentic.

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And I've spent about, I think un total, about thirty

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five days out with him in the woods, so I've

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gotten to know him and his family and how he operates,

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and how his belief system and in his integrity and honestly, and.

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I would recommend anyone go out with him just so

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you can.

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Prove it to yourself that he didn't hoax that footage,

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because from my perspective, there is absolutely no way he could.

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He just doesn't have the skill sets, he doesn't have

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the will, and he's too and he really does have a.

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Lot of integrity when it comes to this. There's just

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no way he can he could have faked any of

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that footage.

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When you really start digging finding out his life and

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what his background is.

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And how much effort it would be to.

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Hook something like that, it's just not his willhouse to do.

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And that's just my opinion my own investigation. I'm not

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trying to persuade people.

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I'm trying to tell people to do their own research

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and try to look into it on their own, because

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that was really what I was trying to do.

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And that's the conclusion I've come to absolutely.

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And since we are on the topic, there is a

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just an interesting question I have, Why do you think

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that I've been in this topic for about five years,

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why is the topic of Todd and his work such

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a polarizing It's so polarizing to this community. It feels

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like if you're pro Tod or anti Todd, it just

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it feels like it's almost like a Civil war type thing.

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From my perspective on what I know of some of

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the I don't know what you want to call them,

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top Peak and the BFRO.

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I think some of it is a bit of jealousy,

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to be fair. I think there's.

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It's like a competition to them, and they want to

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be the best, and they want to have all the

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data and they want to say that they're checking all

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the boxes off. I think a lot of the people

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are really they're just there for a bit of the fame, right,

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And I think there's a lot of good people out

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there too that really want the discovery to happen. But

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at the same time, they don't want Todd to be

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the one that did the discovery, just because he could

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be a big personality and he's real straightforward with his

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findings and like what he's seen, and honestly, he's like,

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my hat's off to him because what he did to

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get a lot of that footage, like probably ninety nine

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percent of the people in the world would never do.

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They'd never go out into the wildness by themselves for

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weeks at a time and just have that level of

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fear and them.

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I think that's why some of it is. It's so

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convincing to me.

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And then a lot of these a lot of these researchers,

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they want to go out on a Saturday and sit

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around the campfire and have a beer and want they

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want their foot to come to them, but that doesn't

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always work.

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So that's that's just a small perspective.

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I think there's lots of other reasons, but other than

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the fact that they just don't really want to dig

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into the evidence fully. They want to make snap judgments

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and say that doesn't look real to me, but they

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don't want to try to prove how it's not real

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or how can you recreate it. I've never seen anyone

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recreate any of his footage in any form or fashion, really, like,

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no one's done it. If it's so fake, you really

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start thinking about stuff and it doesn't add up. And

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I think vindication usually comes later in life with Bob Geddland.

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I think most people, I'd say seventy five percent of

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the people probably now believe that his footage is real,

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and thirty years ago was probably fifteen twenty percent, right,

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So I think it just takes time.

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That is very interesting myself personally, I've talked to people

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on both sides there are interesting arguments on either side.

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I've never talked to Todd directly or at all, so

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until maybe I get that chance, I will be neutral

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on it, as I'd like to talk to people directly.

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You also have other times that you've had interactions. Were

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there times when you were up in that area where

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you believe you got maybe a little bit closer to

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a bigfoot or things got maybe more a bit intense

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in the interactions.

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Yeah, for sure. I'm didn't think of three, because I've

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been out there with them. I call it four and

469
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:50.440
a half.

470
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:53.680
Times because just one of those times I was really

471
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:56.319
out there just to put equipment up and do some

472
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:01.519
architectural work, but just the touch on it somewhat lightly

473
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.960
like that first expedition we did. Like one of the

474
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.160
experiences I had. As we did, we went up this

475
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:11.119
north logging trail about a mile in the dark, and again,

476
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.880
these are things that most people don't do, and the

477
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:18.079
guy that we were with was a bit of adrenaline junkie,

478
00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:19.839
so he was like, Man, let's go in the woods

479
00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.400
at night, and let's wear some headlamps and let's ride

480
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.799
these We had these e bikes and we rode these

481
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.960
e bikes about a mile up this road in almost

482
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.880
ten thirty at night, mountain time, and the wildlife they

483
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.720
are not used to silent bikes, and it's a little

484
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.200
worrisome that we're going to roll up on something and

485
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.480
I know what we are, but we ended up stopping

486
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.880
at this kind of this opening I would call it

487
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:50.880
where there's a tree line and that opens up.

488
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:52.720
And you can see the mountains and you can see

489
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:54.400
another ridge. It's ridge line.

490
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:58.359
And Todd did a call from the left side and

491
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.559
to the right side and we stood waited it for

492
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.720
about sixty seconds to see if we get a response,

493
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.160
back and response, but we got back. Was it sounded

494
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:13.200
some giant being like pushing this tree over and throwing it.

495
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.000
It was so loud, and it sounded half.

496
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:16.519
A mile away.

497
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.279
And I just remember that moment and thought to myself,

498
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:24.720
Oh my god, there's nobody out here. Why would and

499
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:28.759
there's no wind, there's no anything. Why would anyone in

500
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.480
the right mind think that sound came from a human

501
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:35.799
in the middle of these mountain woods. Because it was

502
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:38.559
just crazy to me. And it was further vindication on

503
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.880
that first one. But we we it's fortuitous, but we

504
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:47.279
think we found that tree that this bigfoot went up,

505
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:49.319
and I don't know if it was one or two,

506
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.480
but it wasn't even a dead tree. It's probably a

507
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.240
hall somewhere between forty and fifty foot tree that and

508
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.079
you can see footprints going up this hillside and something

509
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:04.000
going up and ripping this tree about twelve to fifteen

510
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.920
feet from the top and throwing it through another one.

511
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:09.920
And you can see the evidence all over the ground,

512
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:14.160
and you could tell that this tree actually flew through

513
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.640
another tree. There's limbs of hanging everywhere, and then you

514
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:18.839
could see it on the ground.

515
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:19.920
And so there was just.

516
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:25.319
All this really i'd call it circumstantial damning evidence that

517
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:28.880
kind of pointed us to That was the response we

518
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:29.640
got back of.

519
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.279
Hey, you're going to make sounds. We're going to make

520
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:32.000
bigger sounds.

521
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:35.480
So that was Honestly, I know, I can't prove that,

522
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.079
but the evidence was all there.

523
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:42.119
To me, I can. I'm ninety eight percent sure that's

524
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:42.720
what it was.

525
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:47.000
There's always a room for something else, but I'm ninety

526
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.359
eight percent sure that's what happened, right, So that was

527
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:55.359
the bigger thing that happened. But later on, in another expedition,

528
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.480
I had a few instances to where I'd say the

529
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.319
major other two was one we me and two other

530
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.720
expeditioners were following a sound that was going towards more

531
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:10.119
of the old growth forest, and I kept making sounds,

532
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.720
quick sounds with my tongue because I can't really whistle.

533
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:14.039
I don't really.

534
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.079
Pride myself and whistling, and I can never been able

535
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.480
to do it well. So I just pok my tongue

536
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.319
a lot, right, because that, to me, that's my form

537
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:25.000
of communication. And I just kept getting these responses back

538
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.359
from It sounded like a tree just knocking. Like I'd

539
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.039
do it twice, it would do it twice. I'd do

540
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.359
it three times. It would do it three times. And

541
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.880
the guys that I was with, they were two brothers,

542
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.799
and they would whistle and then they'd get like a

543
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:43.160
single response back. And we followed this sound all the

544
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.720
way to this I call it like a Grandpa tree

545
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:47.200
out in this old growth forest.

546
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.079
It's probably two.

547
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.359
To three feet in diameter and one hundred feet tall.

548
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.759
The branches didn't really start until about sixty seventy feet up,

549
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.720
so it's just this humongous tree and there was nothing

550
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:05.720
rubbing against it, and actually got I made a kind

551
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:09.039
of a custom bodycam for the sex condition because I

552
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.480
wanted to get more footage, and actually did get a

553
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:16.960
lot of this back and forth sound on my bodycam,

554
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.960
but the body cam was really meant for visual more

555
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.400
than audio, so you can't really you can hear it,

556
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.720
but it's not as good as it is in real life.

557
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:29.720
But we followed this tree and it just kept knocking

558
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:31.880
at us. And I'm sitting below this tree with these

559
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:33.880
other guys and it's got to be some kind of

560
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.000
weird not in this tree somewhere at the hall, and

561
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:42.279
it's like expanding and making this weird sound, and we're

562
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.559
debating it and trying to go through justification.

563
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:45.640
And while we're.

564
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.880
Blow this tree, it just would we would be talking,

565
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.319
it would just go boom and knocked at us right, and.

566
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:53.599
I'm just like, I don't understand this.

567
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:56.599
I've never heard a tree knock at me before. And

568
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.559
there was we started the area while we're hearing this,

569
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:04.559
and there some juvenile tracks around the area. There was

570
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.960
one big fifteen inch track that was pretty close to

571
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:09.720
that tree.

572
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.039
And it was four o'clock in the afternoon.

573
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:21.920
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

574
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:35.640
It was about eighty somewhere between probably.

575
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.440
Eighty to eighty five degrees because it was in July

576
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:39.759
and we're just sitting there.

577
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.039
What do we do? Because Todd had actually left to

578
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.319
go get gas because he'd used to get gas so

579
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:44.880
we could go.

580
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:50.160
Up to this northern section about thirty miles north, and

581
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:51.920
he didn't get gas in the way up there because

582
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.240
there was a hale kind of storm and it disoriented.

583
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.000
Us a little bit. It actually left just to go get.

584
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.000
Gas in the closest gas station there is about sixty miles.

585
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.839
So we were exploring our own and he wasn't there,

586
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:06.720
and we're like, man, I don't know, I don't know

587
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:07.359
what to do with this.

588
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:08.799
He said, under this tree.

589
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:10.799
I was to the point where I was like, I

590
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.920
wish I could climb this tree, but there's just no way.

591
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:15.319
So we ended up leaving, and as we're leaving, but

592
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.559
knocked a final knock at us and we didn't hear

593
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.079
it again, and we said, okay, we'll look up. Maybe

594
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:26.680
that's some weird animal. Maybe that's the weird tree temperature.

595
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.000
Maybe it's like the other guy said his name was Dan.

596
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.720
Maybe it was the tree expanding and making the weird sound.

597
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.599
I really don't know. So with Todd, it ends up

598
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.960
we getting back and I found another track on the

599
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:40.440
way out in a kind.

600
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.200
Of a different area, and I was telling him about

601
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.480
this experience scenes what do you guys, do you think

602
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.359
trees knock at you? And he was going through the

603
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.920
motions with us, There's no way, I've never I've been

604
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.640
in the woods for twenty thirty years and the tree

605
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.759
has never knocked at me continuously and made sounds at me.

606
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:03.480
And his standpoint like we treed or he said we

607
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.680
treated ay probably had more of a younger sasquatch, or

608
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:10.440
he was there just messing with us. He didn't really

609
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.880
treat it like he was just sitting up there messing

610
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.400
with us. And the other guys are with They were

611
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.160
trying to do there because we had eventually we got

612
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.319
starlink out there, so they were trying to get back

613
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.400
to in reach of this internet service that we have

614
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:26.480
out there and do some research and see if they

615
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.359
could find that reason for it. And they couldn't find

616
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:33.000
a reason. They trust me, they did plenty of searches

617
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.440
trying to figure it out, and we just came to

618
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.400
the conclusion that there were something up that tree that

619
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:41.039
we just couldn't see, and it was knocking at us

620
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:42.359
and just messing with us.

621
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.799
Hindsight's twenty twenty. I wish I would have stayed under

622
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.359
there and done more with it.

623
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.640
But when you think back at it, it's pretty amazing,

624
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.920
Like I do have evidence of it, and I do

625
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.640
have the footprint pictures, and I do have the sound

626
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:55.519
pictures from it.

627
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:57.680
So that was a big ordeal.

628
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.079
And then the next thing, really i'd say, it's one

629
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:02.880
of those things that you can't really get out of

630
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.519
your head, and that kind of changes changes you a

631
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:06.519
bit going through it.

632
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.759
So this was in the same expedition.

633
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.119
I think it was July twenty twenty three, so I

634
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.240
the whole time I was out there, I just wanted

635
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.640
to get off by myself and spend a night in

636
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:20.279
the woods on my own to see if I could

637
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:25.759
have some decent better interaction. Maybe being more secluded would

638
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:31.000
draw up some more just be more open to me.

639
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:32.960
And every time I tried to get out and do that,

640
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:36.839
like it was like rain that night, or I'd have

641
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.519
some reason not to do it.

642
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:40.039
So it's annoying me.

643
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:44.480
So it's like, okay, Fie I'm just gonna seep outside

644
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.519
pretty close to the.

645
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.920
Campfire and just be out there alone. So that's what

646
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:50.359
I did.

647
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:52.680
I couldn't tell you what day of the week it is,

648
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.359
off top of my head, but I stayed out there.

649
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.759
It wasn't a rainy night. It was a starry night.

650
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.000
Decent weather. It it gets out there at night, but

651
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:03.400
it wasn't horrible. It's probably in the fifties in the

652
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.960
middle of the summer. So I ended up staying out there.

653
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.199
And it was probably one point thirty and the guy

654
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.079
was whistling dan. He wanted to just keep me companies

655
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.880
for as long as he for as long as he could,

656
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:17.400
and he liked.

657
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:18.800
The little wood and he ended.

658
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:22.079
Up falling asleep in the chair, just the camping chair,

659
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:23.360
about five feet from me.

660
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:25.639
And I wasn't sleeping by the.

661
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.800
Fire, and I was standing out of it all night,

662
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.440
and I noticed that he was there still, and I

663
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.880
looked at my phone and it was probably about three

664
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:37.079
forty five, and I was like, he didn't even realize,

665
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.480
is he he fell asleep out here? That was one

666
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.119
I didn't want to bother him, so I just let

667
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.519
him be. And then about four point thirty he gets up.

668
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.480
I see him get up. He throws a log on

669
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.280
the fire, he says good night and goes inside.

670
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:52.840
Later on, he tells me.

671
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.280
That the reason he got up, and this wasn't evident

672
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.000
to me at the time, was he was hearing sounds

673
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.199
behind him and it was freaking him out right. So

674
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:01.519
I was like, thanks for telling me.

675
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:01.800
Right.

676
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.400
So I'm sitting there by the fires for thirty and

677
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.440
I'm like, okay, I'm going to.

678
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.039
Try to get some sleep. And it's really hard to

679
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:09.639
sleep out there.

680
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.559
It's pitch black and you really only see the light

681
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.360
of the fire. Everything around you is pitch black within

682
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.880
ten feet of the fire, and there's no sound out there.

683
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:23.320
It's so eerie. There's no bug sounds, no sounds at all.

684
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:27.400
It's just dead quiet. And so I don't know what

685
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.519
time the sun comes up because I'm not used to

686
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.039
mountain time. I used the Central time as I'm from Texas.

687
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:37.199
And I'm sitting there and i don't know what time

688
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.880
it is. But I crack my eyes open and I

689
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.320
can see some blue haze and I can tell it's

690
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:45.000
about to be dawn. And I later on figure out

691
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.119
that the sun comes out pretty early in the Mountain

692
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.119
time in July. There, it's about five fifteen. It comes

693
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.519
up in the morning, so I didn't know that at

694
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:55.400
a time I was giving you a point of reference.

695
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.840
But I'm sitting there and it's getting blue, and I'm

696
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.559
around the fire. It it's like this picture of being

697
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:05.440
like a doughnut around it where it's a hill on

698
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.039
one side a little bit where I'm sleeping towards with

699
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.400
my back to this little hill almost like a ditch,

700
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:14.840
and I'm laying on my right side looking at the fire,

701
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:16.440
and I'm like, Okay, the.

702
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.280
Sun's coming up. Probably nothing's going to happen.

703
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.440
I can at least sleep for two or three hours

704
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:22.960
and get some wraps. And as I'm saying that in

705
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.199
my head and I'm rolling over, I just put my

706
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.400
hands on my chest and roll over to my left

707
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.719
where I'm at an angle on this doughnut.

708
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.079
Hill how I describe it.

709
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.360
And all I hear is two footfalls jump backwards.

710
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:38.360
From my perspective.

711
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.880
It was two feet two three feet from my head

712
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.760
and it jumped backwards because I scared it because I

713
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.280
didn't know it was going to move, And just say,

714
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.320
just here, two feet land on the ground beside me,

715
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:54.639
and I'm in my head. My heart's beating super fast,

716
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:57.840
and I'm at a total disadvantage.

717
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.039
And I can't really turn that.

718
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:03.840
Direction without super obvious because I'm planted, and I'm trying

719
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.320
to work up the courage to open my left eye

720
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.440
because my right eyes are cocked open. But I unless

721
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:11.519
you're in that moment, you don't really know what you're

722
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.519
going to do because something's walking beside you and it's

723
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:18.159
not supposed to be there, and you don't really know

724
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.519
because you've never seen it or heard it before, like

725
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.039
how they're going to react or if they see you

726
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.159
noticing that you're awake, like what are they going to do?

727
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.880
So I'm running through those scenarios in my head, and

728
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.280
so I finally I get my heart rate to go

729
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:35.679
down a little bit, and I'm like, day, I'm just

730
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.880
going to make sure that's what I heard. Probably about

731
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.599
a minute to a half, I get my heart rate

732
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.119
down and I'm like, I'm just gonna listen, close my

733
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.880
eyes and act like I'm asleep, and I just I

734
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.000
slowly hear, in my opinion, this bigfoot walking like right foot,

735
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:56.079
left foot around my head, and I'm just like, oh man,

736
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.639
it is here. I'm not dreaming, and I'm trying to

737
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.000
get the because this is what I'm there for, to

738
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.800
see this, to look in that direction. But at the

739
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.800
same time, it's just so daunting because you're, like I said,

740
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:10.360
You're just said, you're on your back.

741
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.159
I don't have a weapon. Really, I'm going to disadvantage

742
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:14.840
if I look.

743
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.039
If I turn quickly and look and it's this thing

744
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:18.760
looking at me, is they gonna get mad?

745
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:19.760
Is it gonna kick me?

746
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.719
Like I'm just trying to run through the scenarios the

747
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.840
whole time and trying to slow my heart rate.

748
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.280
And I finally get the courage. I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna.

749
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.280
Roll towards the fire and then do a quick look

750
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.360
over my shoulder, and I like, I'm still sleep, so

751
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.880
it's not it can have some like indication that I'm awake.

752
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.039
So that's why I did. I rolled and look over

753
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.559
my shoulder, and of course there's nothing there, Like it's

754
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.480
completely gone. I have no idea where it went. Like

755
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.760
it came in like a ninja, and the only reason

756
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.320
I heard it was because I didn't know it was

757
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:53.880
going to turn.

758
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.440
And it left like a ninja. And it didn't leave.

759
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.360
Anything in the substrate around me whatsoever. But I can

760
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.159
still hear those footsteps.

761
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:02.360
Walking around me.

762
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.280
And I know for one fact that there was no

763
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.280
one else out there but me and in my opinion,

764
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:11.920
this bigfoot, because everyone else was in the trailer, and

765
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.000
I could hear them snoring, because they all.

766
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:19.159
Snore like a symphony in there. So that was the start.

767
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:23.079
Of why I started to put my project together, because

768
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.760
if we actually did have cameras in base camp, and

769
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.199
we did have more technology out there, I think we

770
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.559
would have definitely caught this big foot staring at me sleeping.

771
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:38.119
That's an incredible experience to live through. You weren't in

772
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:43.119
the tent. You were out in the open, correct, correct.

773
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.400
I just had a sleeping bag on a pillow below me.

774
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:46.039
That was it.

775
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:51.800
Oh man, wow, I can't imagine living through that. And

776
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.000
it's just it's one of those weird things where no

777
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.760
footprints as well, but a stranger things have happened that

778
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.039
I've had told to me and that I've read in

779
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.800
different resources as well. After you lived through that, did

780
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:10.119
that set you like you were full steam ahead or

781
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.840
were you a little bit more apprehensive of everything going on?

782
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:14.960
Having lived through that?

783
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.960
It just drove me further, like into the subject, because

784
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:25.440
you know, I still hadn't seen one, and I still

785
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.880
want to. Even though that one was a very I

786
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.159
think I got what I needed in that one, and

787
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.159
I still really want to see that that live bigfoot,

788
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.880
have that have the sasquatch come up on me and

789
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.360
have more of a visual. So it just kept drove

790
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.960
me forward, and Todd started talking to me about maybe

791
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.760
we should put cameras in base camp, like maybe they

792
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.880
do come around here like all the time. I know

793
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.840
there's a stigma around cameras and everything else, but from

794
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.440
his perspective, he's been out there at that site for

795
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:00.480
this point.

796
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.880
It's probably been about fifteen years.

797
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:05.880
So if they don't really trust them by now, then

798
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.079
then they're never going to trust him. So he was like,

799
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:10.760
let's just do it and see what kind of like

800
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.000
activity we get. Let's see what we can draw up.

801
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:19.440
Let's see if the stigma is correct or incorrect. Because

802
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.920
you hear nothing about, oh, they don't like cameras. They

803
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:27.119
don't like cameras, but most people don't have this habituation

804
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:29.880
area that they're in either, And I think a lot

805
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.199
of people put up cameras and these trailcan cameras trying

806
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:37.039
to be deceptive and like really sneaky, and I think

807
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:37.719
I don't.

808
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.760
I can say that if I was.

809
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.360
A big Foot and someone was trying to be sneaky

810
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.760
and deceptive, yeah, I probably wouldn't care for it much either.

811
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:49.360
But so that's my thought to put these cameras up

812
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.039
with the intent of, Hey, we're trying to further the discovery,

813
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.280
not be like super sneaky with it. Like the ones

814
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:56.800
we put up are super obvious.

815
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.639
They're like clearly visible. They're sitting there.

816
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.320
They actually there's two different angles and if they really

817
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:06.119
wanted to, I gave them away to not be on camera.

818
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.719
Right, It's not this triangulation of cameras.

819
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.639
It's two cameras, one going south, one kind of going north,

820
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.360
and they could actually get behind them if they wanted to, right.

821
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.320
So that was my thought is to go in that direction.

822
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.800
Though kind of approached and said maybe we should, and

823
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.760
I said, let me try to figure that out, because

824
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:29.039
I'd like to put some contribution to this and try

825
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.800
to do this. Like this was around November. I started

826
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.760
putting the idea together, Hey, maybe we should really think

827
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.199
this through and bring this to everyone that really wants

828
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:41.880
to see his area and wants to get into the

829
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.960
research and wants to possibly see a Bigfoot on camera, Like,

830
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.679
how can I actually get this to be like something

831
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.679
that's better than just just closed loop system that only

832
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:55.159
me and Todd can see. I want to bring it

833
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.880
to everyone, so everyone that's really into the subject can

834
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:02.000
have the opportunity to go out into the woods and

835
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.960
see this area and just discover Bigfoot for.

836
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.360
Themselves in a sense. Right, So that was my thought.

837
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.960
And I can get into more of this project that

838
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.719
I've been working on since last November and all that

839
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:17.559
if you want me to.

840
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.559
Yeah, I would love that, because it is an incredible project.

841
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:25.039
You're really if you think about your the engineer that

842
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.239
came up with the project, but also developer that put

843
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:28.920
it all together.

844
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:34.360
Correct, Yeah, I'm like, I'd say ninety seven percent into it,

845
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.519
and todds Okay, let's say ninety ninety five percent because

846
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:41.239
I've been leaning on him a bit for some of

847
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:45.400
the power. But I basically designed it all and built

848
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.320
it all and developed the app and put the whole

849
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:51.119
system together and put all the right equipment together.

850
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.920
And it's been a level it's been a Journey of Love.

851
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:55.480
How's that?

852
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.199
Absolutely? I think it would be good to start with,

853
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:03.320
what's elevator pitch for this project that you have set up,

854
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:07.000
because it's a pretty incredible project that you set up there.

855
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:13.239
Yeah, so it's i'd say elevator pitches. It's the end

856
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.760
all game is I'd love for it to be like

857
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.400
never ending twenty four by seven.

858
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:18.760
Right.

859
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.679
So, I've been having some problems with power systems to

860
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.280
where it's been up and down, and I've had some.

861
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.079
Forest fires, so some things are a little bit out

862
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.280
of my control. But it's I basically have two really high.

863
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:39.599
End their four K cameras, their night vision. There these

864
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:44.639
huge tilt pan zoom cameras that are ones actually about

865
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:46.559
fifteen feet up a tree, the other ones on the

866
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:51.079
side of one of the campers out there. But it's

867
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.760
the ability to watch that live seed and from two

868
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.920
different feeds whenever you want to just log in and look,

869
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.360
especially when have expeditions out there, there seems to be

870
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:06.159
a lot more activity and like post expedition, and I

871
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.079
really want to see what happened out there when the

872
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.679
one's there, right, because you don't really know, I don't

873
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.559
know what's going on we've never really recorded, and that's

874
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.199
what I've been doing is building out everything that would

875
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:23.239
need to be there to continuously record the entire environment

876
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:29.199
off those two feeds, and then how to save those

877
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:32.840
terabytes and data that get propagated every month, like how

878
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.079
to retrieve it, how to analyze it.

879
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.199
How to look at the data, how to look at

880
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.480
the sound waves, how.

881
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:43.400
To look at the basically the movement any amplitude over

882
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.239
one thousand, That's where I'm starting.

883
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.320
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

884
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:09.159
So inside the app itself, you have the ability to

885
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.840
watch and then if you actually think or think you

886
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.039
see something or think you hear something, you can hit

887
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:20.079
a button and basically say what time it is based on.

888
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.519
The camera time and what do you see and submit

889
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:23.000
it and it.

890
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.639
Goes to a real time database and all that gets

891
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:30.760
collected and reviewed and eventually it's all going to be

892
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:31.800
very much.

893
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.840
I call it just because I'm an engineer, like event

894
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:41.039
driven architecture, to where everything is as close to real.

895
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.519
Time as possible, to where let's say we're having activity

896
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:50.079
out there, someone that has this app would basically get

897
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:54.760
a notification saying, hey, someone just sell a big foot

898
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.480
five minutes ago, or we're hearing noise, we're hearing how

899
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:04.039
we tree break, you know, something to where people could

900
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.079
actually look in live, and the more eyes on it

901
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.519
the better from my standpoint, because I want people to

902
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.559
collaborate all the video stuff that people report and all

903
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.280
the stuff that I find. I'm trying to build this

904
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:20.320
section inside the application to where I have been uploading

905
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.639
videos to it, but eventually it'll just be an app

906
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.760
and not outside. But I'm trying to do a little

907
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:29.320
bit of marketing and just put it on Facebook and

908
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:33.760
Instagram and a little bit of YouTube. But eventually it

909
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:38.400
would all be this user based community that's doing reportings

910
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.000
and sightings. And I really wanted to This is like

911
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:43.119
the proof of concept. I'd really love for it to

912
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.800
grow and to build this system and other locations and

913
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.639
work with other researchers and have this camera I'd call

914
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.960
it data analysis points, and different areas and different locations

915
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.119
in North America wherever we can collaborate with people and

916
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.840
build this network out to where you could watch I

917
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.000
don't know, from anywhere from ten to thirty different feeds

918
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.360
at once, and so I'm that's my thought and that's

919
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.239
where I'm starting with these two, and I'm building the

920
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.360
architecture on the back end to where it's not just

921
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.559
userly reported like I'm trying to be new age with

922
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.280
it and tech savvy with it, to where it I'm

923
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:29.119
building automation around sounds and movement to where it basically

924
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.800
sits it all out there for us, the people that are.

925
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.559
Going to be involved in the app, and that where

926
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:38.519
you when it.

927
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:43.480
Reports like amplitude up risings and movements, even if it's

928
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.800
like a deer or or an owl, right, because you

929
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.639
can't really know until you watch it.

930
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:49.440
That's the hard part.

931
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.039
That's why we need collaboration because there's only so many

932
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.920
hours a day that I have to review three point

933
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:01.760
five tearby to footage every month. So that's my thought.

934
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.159
I'm building that out right now. It's a little bit

935
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.960
manual automation, but I have found a whole lot of

936
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:11.039
interesting things that have happened, the interesting sounds. It's just

937
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:17.119
interesting movements. I can say that, and then it's a

938
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.880
labor of love. Because I'm pretty much the only developer

939
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.079
on this. I'm going to eventually have it to where

940
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.559
it's where you can hit a button and request certain

941
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.480
footage and just review it like whenever you want to.

942
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.400
It'll give you a hard link and you can go

943
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:31.000
review it.

944
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.719
But that's the important thing to me is that there's

945
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:38.280
before footage, there's after footage. There's so much analysis you

946
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:42.599
can do that I haven't found any research. You're really

947
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:46.159
trying to attack it in that sense. Well, like I said,

948
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.239
a lot of the hard part is trying to get

949
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:50.960
the power because I'm a reliability is there and it

950
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.360
makes me mad when the power goes down because of

951
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.599
solar is not good enough. Right now, we're doing a

952
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.719
solar and we just got this really nice remote generator

953
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:06.320
in that we can turn on remotely from twelve hundred

954
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:06.960
miles away.

955
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:09.599
So we're really trying.

956
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.719
To think outside the box on some of this power

957
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.079
stuff and get it to where it's really reliable. It's

958
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.599
just a it's a work in progress, but yeah, that's it.

959
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:19.159
In a nutshell.

960
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:21.639
It's you know, you make an account and you do

961
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:23.840
it if you don't like it. I built it all

962
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.239
with Apple and Google. It's called Discovering Bigfoot, so it's

963
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:32.440
on both of those platforms and you know, there's just

964
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.840
a subscription fee and I can tell you, the fee

965
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:39.679
is nowhere near what it costs me to actually build

966
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:40.320
this all out.

967
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:42.039
Really, it's just to.

968
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.119
Recover the monthly costs because it does cost a lot

969
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:48.719
monthly to run all this architecture. The whole thing is

970
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.440
power as far as the Internet goes by starlink, and

971
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:55.079
we really had to up to bendwidth just to take

972
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:56.159
the upload speed.

973
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.119
So the Starling itself is really pricing, to be honest.

974
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.400
Even I know a lot of people use it now,

975
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.119
but we're doing like the highest here bandwidth possible so

976
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:05.760
I can have the footage uploaded.

977
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:11.519
It's such a fascinating project, and I think that no

978
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:15.920
matter what side you're on with what's going on up

979
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.599
there in twenty thirty years, when we look back to

980
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.480
this time period, people are going to say it's one

981
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:29.079
of the most just craziest projects that were done regarding

982
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:33.320
Bigfoot in that time period of the twenty twenties. Right.

983
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:38.159
It's just it's not just like you're having a cellular gamecam,

984
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:41.519
but you're integrating an app, so you're integrating people being

985
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.239
able to access it, and it's just it is it's

986
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.440
so cool. I used to be a software engineer as well,

987
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.079
so I get the way you think a little bit,

988
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.360
at least I like to think so I probably do.

989
00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:01.480
Have you ever thought of is it written down? How

990
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:05.679
you set this up? Is the software, all that good

991
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.880
stuff available in a get hub repository anywhere? Have you

992
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.360
thought of that? Is it even a thing where you

993
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.920
know you may not want to have it all out

994
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.119
there for other people to utilize.

995
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.800
I think eventually I'll make it just open source. Yeah.

996
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:27.960
I do use get lab to do all the code repo.

997
00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.159
It's a private get lab, but I do use get glab.

998
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:31.840
To do all the coding.

999
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.159
And then at the architecture on the back end, it

1000
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.039
is proprietary a little bit because I didn't want to

1001
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.639
use you can think of it as a cloud DVR,

1002
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:46.920
but not built of DVR software, because I looked into

1003
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:48.719
a lot of that stuff and it just I didn't

1004
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.519
want to mess with it because it looked like a

1005
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.960
paint in my butt, Like I wanted to do it simplistic,

1006
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:56.599
and I wanted to use cloud providers to do all

1007
00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:00.360
the A lot of the back end architecture. Right, I

1008
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.239
do have it all diagrammed out, and I have it

1009
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.039
written out, and I'm hoping that if I get by

1010
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.880
a bus. Someone could read it all and take over.

1011
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:09.880
I know it might take a little bit to back

1012
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.519
engineer some stuff that's not working, but I'm hoping something

1013
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:14.719
happened to me someone could.

1014
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:15.199
Take over it.

1015
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.519
I do have a that twin brother that is in

1016
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.360
the same kind of field as me, so I'm sure

1017
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.280
he could catch on and figure it out.

1018
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:29.480
But it's not this meta thing or I'm not a

1019
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.000
super smart Google engineer.

1020
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:35.599
I'm just the regular guy that has an engineering background

1021
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:40.599
and I really enjoy learning new things and enjoy automation

1022
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:46.840
and Python and writing server lists, applications and votions and observability.

1023
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:49.519
I do a lot of observability when it comes to

1024
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:54.639
my job and building reliable things to actually measure. So

1025
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:57.599
it just works handed him with a big foot, in my opinion,

1026
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.639
because we're trying to measure how to find this being

1027
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.239
and we need data and this is like step one.

1028
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.360
Let's collect data, right.

1029
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:08.719
I think there's a lot of data out there, but

1030
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:14.079
most people are keeping it to themselves or it may

1031
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.960
be not as complicated as what I'm sharing to do,

1032
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:22.039
but it's really it's for people, right. I want people

1033
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.320
to get involved and help the discovery and people that

1034
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.000
can't get out in the woods and they're really into

1035
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:28.559
the topic.

1036
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.320
This is like step one towards that in my opinion.

1037
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:37.239
So I'm open to criticism and collaboration, and they do

1038
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.400
this without doing it this way or doing it this way.

1039
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:43.880
Like I'm always listening to the podcast trying to figure

1040
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:48.599
out like a good way to interact and put something up.

1041
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.719
I'm always trying to find a new in that would

1042
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.400
maybe draw then in, like a puzzle or the color

1043
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:59.159
blue or tennis balls. Every time I go out there,

1044
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.880
I do something different. It's fun to me and I

1045
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:04.920
really enjoy doing it. And I'm really hoping that you know,

1046
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:09.920
some guy named John do Bill logs into this app

1047
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:11.679
he's Bigfoot, records.

1048
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:16.239
It and they'll name it after Bill, right, Yeah, absolutely, yeah,

1049
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.440
I'm not about the credit. I just wanted discovery.

1050
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:22.320
Oh I'm right there with you, dude. Have you thought

1051
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.800
of maybe And this is easier said than done, but

1052
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.360
integrating AI in a way so that there doesn't have

1053
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:33.760
to be an actual human individual that sees something on camera,

1054
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:36.559
but there could just be a notification, hey, we saw

1055
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:40.519
something that is really big and someone should probably take

1056
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:41.199
a look at it.

1057
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:44.079
So I have a lot.

1058
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.480
Of like land of service functions that I wrote that

1059
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:51.079
processes the video now, and this is within the last

1060
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.239
thirty days that I try to do some of this,

1061
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.039
and just because it's been such a hard time to

1062
00:55:58.079 --> 00:55:59.119
try to parse.

1063
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:00.920
Through the data to split it that way.

1064
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:07.039
So it's basically using like computer vision and a lot

1065
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.360
of data science tool like Python modules.

1066
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:14.360
So it's like a mini it's not quite AI, like

1067
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.760
I haven't taught.

1068
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.880
A model to learn. It's not like an LLM or anything,

1069
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:24.880
but it's there's other services I could pump it into

1070
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:28.280
that are out there, that are available that I could

1071
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:31.119
actually do that. I'm just trying to be a little

1072
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:35.079
bit accustomed with them at first because what I've built already,

1073
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:41.239
it already finds all the amplitudes, it finds some Eventually

1074
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:42.960
I'm going to have it to where it actually finds

1075
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:47.559
certain types of sound waves, and it already I have some.

1076
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.360
I posted some stuff to Reddit where I said, using

1077
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:55.400
tech to find Bigfoot, and I have this The square

1078
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:57.679
boxes show up on the screen that shows this owl

1079
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.599
come into picture and fly by, and it shows where

1080
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.559
it's moving before it goes there. So it's I have

1081
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:08.280
that in the background it's just not fully automated, like

1082
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:09.119
what you're saying.

1083
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:11.159
So that's why I'm trying to get to that.

1084
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:15.280
But at the same time, I'm one person, and at

1085
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:18.599
the same time, I pay a lot for the softwares

1086
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:21.400
that are out there that are somewhat open source and whatnot,

1087
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.760
and I could try to build some of that modeling

1088
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:25.199
on my own.

1089
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:26.199
It just takes time.

1090
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:30.079
So I'm open to people that are really good engineers

1091
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:32.599
that would want to help do some of it, because

1092
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:35.800
the more the merrier, from my opinion, like if people

1093
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.280
are really good at doing some of the AI stuff,

1094
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:41.239
because it's I'm still in my infancy on some of

1095
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:42.760
some of those aspects.

1096
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:49.159
So what I'm hearing is if listeners are software developers

1097
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.199
or guys that are involved with crazy AI stuff, to

1098
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.360
reach out to Logan. We'll probably get that info at

1099
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.599
the end of the episode, and maybe there could be

1100
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:04.440
a whole little hackathon that goes on and really get

1101
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:05.719
this snail down. Who knows.

1102
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.119
I can give you end points that points to ours

1103
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.880
the footage, and you can help me to do some

1104
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:16.320
development work on how to get it more suage than

1105
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:21.920
really crisp, because when the trees blow hard that could.

1106
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:26.079
You really have to train it where you know there's

1107
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.360
a wind up there sometimes and you'll see the trees

1108
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.519
moving left to right and that kind of gives a

1109
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.480
false positive. So you really have to train it for

1110
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:38.320
certain movements, and it's possible.

1111
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:42.559
It's not unachievable. It just takes time.

1112
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:51.960
It's fascinating. That's my dream that someday your system is

1113
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:57.880
running in Area X, or somewhere nearby in southeast Oklahoma,

1114
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:02.159
or in northern California or organ just all over the place,

1115
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.519
and it's the thing that really locks it in. And

1116
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.639
I know there's probably other stuff to get done before that,

1117
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.599
but man, that would just be so cool Logan. If

1118
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:15.280
that ended up being the case, I.

1119
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:16.280
Would love that.

1120
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.960
I'd love to just have two or three more people

1121
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.239
to collaborate with and put the system up where we

1122
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.719
had more. This has only been live basically since middle

1123
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:32.000
of July, so it hasn't really been that much up

1124
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:36.119
in that much data yet, so I don't know. I

1125
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:40.320
think it has a lot of unlimited application and possibilities

1126
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:41.400
from my standpoint.

1127
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:43.440
That's why I've.

1128
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:46.760
Been really trying to get it more reliable. It really

1129
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:50.079
does irk me that the system goes down sometimes, and

1130
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:53.800
it has been going down because the wattage from these

1131
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.360
five hundred thousand lots solar.

1132
00:59:56.039 --> 01:00:00.840
Panels do not produce enough energy for whatever reason.

1133
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:06.000
It's so mind boggling the amount of work we put

1134
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.920
in to try to get solar to be more stable

1135
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:11.920
when it is clearly.

1136
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:13.320
Not what it's cracked up to be.

1137
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:19.480
In my opinion, it sounds like definite work in progress,

1138
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:24.199
but it also sounds like it's worth all the potential

1139
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:28.000
frustration that goes into it, for sure. Logan, it's been

1140
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.000
a real pleasure chatting with you tonight. Did you have

1141
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:37.199
any final closing thoughts? Slash remind people how they can

1142
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.679
get in touch with you if they're an engineer, or

1143
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.719
how they can also get set up with this application

1144
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:46.639
to keep an eye on what's going up in the

1145
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:47.199
Todds area.

1146
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:51.960
So that's called just discovering Bigfoot. Find it on Apple Store.

1147
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:54.360
The Google Store. It's out there, and try to make

1148
01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:58.800
it pretty simple. So if people I try to make

1149
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.519
it to where it's not a lot of people you

1150
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.519
have to really verify you have a really email and stuff,

1151
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.920
because I don't the email. It's just people out there

1152
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.599
just goofing around, but other than that, it's out there

1153
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:12.039
and then see when to get a hold of me.

1154
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.320
My contact email is on the app itself, but it's

1155
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:18.440
contact at Bigfoot livestream dot org.

1156
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.239
You can just send me an email. I do have a.

1157
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:27.639
Facebook page in the Instagram page where I'm putting videos

1158
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:28.079
out there.

1159
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:29.400
If you can find me.

1160
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:31.599
Again, there's links on the app to that, so you

1161
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:32.760
don't have to search all up.

1162
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:35.320
It's all on the app. But I'm out there in

1163
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.199
the social.

1164
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:40.079
Media world, even though that's not really my forte all right,

1165
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:44.440
it's really more for to let people know I'm alive

1166
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:48.000
in anything. Wh It's a lot better marketer than I am,

1167
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:49.880
let's put it that way. But yeah, that's how you

1168
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.599
get a hold of me. And I'm usually if you

1169
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:54.199
do need to get a hold of Todd or something,

1170
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:55.920
I might talk to him all the time, and I

1171
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.159
do have some links to some of his YouTube stuff

1172
01:01:59.159 --> 01:01:59.760
inside the app.

1173
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:01.599
Well, he's the.

1174
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.320
Backbone of the project, because this really is the situation side.

1175
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.800
Fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on the show again,

1176
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:12.440
and it'll be extremely interesting to check back in with

1177
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:15.440
you maybe in a few years to see where this

1178
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:17.000
project has gone. But thank you.

1179
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:22.480
Yep, great talking middie.

1180
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.960
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1189
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1190
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1191
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:03.840
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1192
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1193
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1194
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1199
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:30.719
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