Researching the Area that Horrified Scott Carpenter (Harley Owens Returns)

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I welcome back Harley Owens

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to share more of his bigfoot encounters
in the eastern part of Tennessee. If

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you've experienced something similar, I have
more information regarding bigfoot in the same areas.

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Please reach out immediately to me after
this episode. If you've had encountering

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and you'd like to be on the
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single week. And now let's get
on with the show, all right,

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big Fast Society. We got the
privilege of talking to gentlemen that I talked

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to about a year ago, I
think mister Harley Owens, and he's had

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some really interesting things happen over the
last years since I got to talk to

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him last. But Harley, how
are you doing today? Man? I'm

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doing extremely will and it's the owner
to be back on here with you,

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my friend. You know, you
were the first podcast Today ever jumped on

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and I'm glad to be back.
Oh absolutely. And if listeners don't remember

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Harley's first interview on this podcast on
big for Society, and I'll link in

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the show notes you may have heard
him on. You've been on a few

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other shows since then. I mean, you've been on Sasquatch Chronicles, You've

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been on Bigfoot Crossroads, right,
Sasquatch Odyssey, a few different ones,

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and I might be forgetting some,
but it's great, you know, when

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one can get help get the word
out about what's going on out there.

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But Harley, do you mind getting
my listeners up to speed with maybe a

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summary of what kicked off things and
we'll play a little bit of audio too.

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Yeah. So September twenty third,
twenty twenty, you know, that

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was the day that changed my life
forever. You know, I've seen a

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creature that was supposed to be real, and you know, and I got

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some remarkable evidence. You know,
I got a photograph of this creature,

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and I got a photo and videos
and trackway and then I got some remarkable

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vocalizations and that that. You know, I didn't really expect to start researching

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Bigfoot, and lo and behold,
December I started doing it. So it's

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a it's been a wild journey,
that's for sure. It's It's one I

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didn't expect to be doing, but
I'm doing it and I enjoy it,

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and you know, I love raising
awareness for it because yeah, I think

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we both feel the same way,
which is, make a platform for people

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to be able to share what they
encountered ends up helping the people that are

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listening. There's a lot of people
listening where they've got something in their backyard,

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it's messing with their stuff. They
have no idea what's going on,

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and they randomly stumble upon Big for
Society or any of the other Bigfoot podcasts,

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and it's the least we can do
to try to help out what's what's

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going on with them. But let's
I'm going to play the first sound and

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then you can kind of help fill
in the blanks. And that sounds like

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you might have some updates about what
you found from your research too, So

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I'm just gonna put this in here, all right. Never feels like goosebumps

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every time listen to it. Dude. The first time I heard that,

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I was like, what in the
world am I getting into with this one?

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It's it's wild, dude, fill
us in, Yeah, no,

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I go on, it's uh,
you know, that was the evening after

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I had seen the creature, you
know, and whenever I heard that,

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I was like, I got to
record it, you know, because whenever

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I first seen it, I was
like, I got to get a picture

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of this thing. And you know, I managed to get a picture because

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I wasn't going to take a video
because as sure as I tried to get

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a video, it would have been
gone. So I just i'd snagged a

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picture, and then my phone was
just drained the battery, you know,

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like it was just what they what
we call biglet researchers, they call us

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happened and it's the phone is still
messed up. I actually still have the

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phone right over here, and it's
it's still mess up, and uh it.

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It was definitely a life changing experience. And you know those those sounds,

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it's not it's not an ilk.
You know, I've had people telling

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it was coon dogs. No,
it's not coon dogs. I've had people

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tell me it was coyotes. No, it's not coyotes. And you know,

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I got a plus is none of
this audio and it ranges from five

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hundred hurts all the way up to
two thousand herts, and you know,

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it's not human in no way,
shape or form, and it's you know,

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it's sounds human like maybe a little
bit. But there's some other stuff

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that's going on in the audio as
well, and it's it's it's very strange.

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And you know, and the other
two audio clips, you know,

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they're the vocalizations are further away.
Those happened the next night there. Like

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I said, they were further away, you know, and I couldn't really

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make out, but you know,
I sent those off to somebody else and

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it was like, dude, there's
more than one of those things than they're

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communicating back and forth. And I
was like, what if I got myself

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into And also on that day,
uh, that's when I found the tracks,

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and you know that it was crazy. It was because you know,

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I'm six six and I could not
stride the stride between those tracks. It

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would. It literally came down from
the area where I had seen it in

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the day before, and it was
coming into that saw mill looking around being

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nosy. I mean, I'm in
I'm in an old saw mill in the

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middle of the mountains of Virginia,
so you know, all the great smoky

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mountains, I mean, and the
Appalachians, all that stuff just runs right

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through there. Let's let's play the
the other sounds real quick, just so

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listeners can be reminded of of what
else we had going on there the night

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after you had the first sound recorded. Correct, Yep, Okay, yes,

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sir, Now that they're a little
bit further off, but you mean

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you can still hear the sounds.
Name name lad names, it's scum.

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I don't know if I go back
to that same area after hearing that,

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Dude, that's wild. Did you
ever get back to that area? You

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know? I'm very tempted to go
back, you know, now that I've

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started doing this, I want to
go back and with what I've learned now

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and just go out there and see
if the signs, you know, from

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what I've been learning and what I've
been out there doing, you know,

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And I think, I think,
I don't know if they're still there right

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now, but I can almost guarantee
if I go back into the September in

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that area, I guarantee they'd be
there. I don't know, I just

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feel like I feel like they're going
to be there. Oh man, you

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so I would say if I was
if I was a bigfoot researcher in that

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area or the area that that is. Uh, it would be hard for

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me not to go back to that
area. It's just weird, man,

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it is very weird. It's very
weird, you know. But now here

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I am four years after almost about
September twenty third, this year mark four

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years, and you know, I'm
almost like, you know, I want

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to go back on my fourth year
anniversary of seeing this thing, and you

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know, doing something like that,
you know, just making an anniversary or

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something. Just go back. M
that that is a that's a really cool

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idea. Actually, uh man,
you never know what would happen. Let's

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play the let's play the third sound
as well. Yeah, dude, you

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got to consider going back. Remind
me what's the what's the clanging in the

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background. There's like a there was
there was an old piece of metal that

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was unscrewed from the building and it
was just slapping back and forth. Okay,

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gotcha, there's a there's a question
I want to ask you and so

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in the Patreon have it so that
individuals can ask questions if they like,

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in their production assistant to your and
Leslie asks and this might actually be leading

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into what's happened to you since these
recordings Leslie asked, in your sightings and

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investigations, have the Bigfoot always been
on the ground or has there been any

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up in tree or others structures that
could be climbed. They've definitely, from

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what I've noticed, they've seemingly been
on the ground. You know, I

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haven't found any of the structures that
suggest that they've you know, been above

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ground, you know, like that
some people find the structures that they believe

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they nest on above the ground.
I haven't found any of that stuff yet.

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Rarely find is the x'es and arches, of course. And then there

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was one that I actually found Saturday
this Saturday. There was two trees and

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they're probably about five foot tall,
and then they forked and then there was

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a log that was probably twenty five
or thirty feet long, and it was

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laid perfectly balanced on those two trees. It's crazy. And you know,

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other than other than that, I
have not found anything like they nest above

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the ground or anything like that.
You know, most of the my sutings

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have been ground level, on the
ground. Gotcha, so kind of take

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us take us through. It sounds
like after after we last talk, you

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start you got to a point where
you decide, Okay, I'm going to

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start going out looking for bigfoot in
different places. Can you share kind of

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where you're the general area of where
you're looking, what you've kind of found,

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any interactions you've had, things like
that. Oh yeah, absolutely,

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it is all. It's all taking
place in a Great Smoky Mountains National Park

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and East Tennessee. Actually it's about
twenty five thirty minutes away from my house,

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so it's literally in my backyard.
And you know my I started number

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seventh and well I'll go back.
Actually on Thanksgiving. You know, I

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took it upon myself. I'm going
to go back to your homet That's the

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only way I'm going to overcome this. You know, what I thought was

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fear at the time that I had
of these things, you know, because

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I stopped deer hunting. And you
know, this past Thanksgiving I went back

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deer hunting and I killed my first
deer for the first time since before twenty

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twenty. And I'm like, okay, you know what, I can get

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back and you know, I'm going
to overcome my fear and go look for

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them. Well I waited and December
seventh coming around, and I'm like,

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well, no better time to start, now, you know. And you

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know I went out there, and
you know, I found a couple of

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things. You know, I found
a twist breaks, you know, where

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these the big foot, you know, they'll twist a branch to break it.

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And you know, I found a
couple of those signs. And I

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find this structure, the adult a
dead rot at tree. There were six

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that was propped up in three corners
of it from a totally different area.

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You know. They were just teach
placed just three six, one two three

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around that tree. And I'm like, okay, well at that time,

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I didn't know it, and you
know, I was out there just filming,

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you know, and I was just
being observant, you know, looking

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around and it was just early dead
silent, and I was like, okay,

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well I get kind of as hard
as that. I was like,

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well, you know, I'm kind
of hoping maybe see one. And this

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is actually a place where Scott Carpenter
used to research. I don't know if

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you're familiar with Scott Carpenter, and
this was a place that he went in

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once and he never went back.
Apparently this is the place that made him

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stop doing his field research. And
you know, I get back home,

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and I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm just gonna go through and watch

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Scott's and I literally watched how he
strategically went through frame by frame, and

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I'm like, okay, so I'm
going through there and I literally have one

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on film sitting there in the laurels
watching me, you know, and it's

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he's peeking out from around a true
looking at me. Actually, I may

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be able to pull it up and
show you hold on, hold on just

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one second. And it was just
so close to me, it was it

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was crazy. I don't know if
you can see him right there? Can

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you see him? He's right there? Gotcha? Oh man, that's wild.

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Yeah, I mean you can see. I'll have to ask you to

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see if you can send those over
afterwards. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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I mean you can literally see his
eyes and his nose. You can see

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the conical shaped head. I mean
you can even fine almost. That is

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crazy, you know, after after
four years, almost four years after from

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seeing one, and then December seven, my first time out there and I

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get one on film and I don't
even know he's there. I mean,

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it was a feeling of being watched. But you know, I didn't think

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nothing about it. But then when
I got back and looked at that,

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I was like, holy cow,
I mean that is not a bear.

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Was it in only one frame or
was it in multiple frames as well?

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Oh? It was in multiple frames. Even he was just he was sitting

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there, crouch in beside that tree, and you know, I've got comparison

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photos to show that that's not a
stump for anything that's there, So that

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creature was there, and then he
was gone, wow. So you're saying,

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you look through the frames, there
are frames where it's not there,

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and then it shows up, and
then there are frames further down the line

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where it's not well from when I
first when I first get in there and

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I'm panting around looking through the air
area, it's not there. And then

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ten minutes later when I start filming, because I was actually in the cemetery

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filming, and I come out into
the gravel parking lot and I'm sitting around

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our filming, and then whenever I
go back and look through my footage,

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I'm like, okay, wait,
so I'm going through where I was in

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there before, and I just filmed
through there nothing, And then I go

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back to that and it's I mean, I've got the I'll send you the

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comparison photos. Sorry, can you
repeat? There was a little bit of

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audio that went out. Yeah,
like I said, I've got the comparison

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photos to show you know that there's
nothing there, and then boom, he's

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sitting right there. I mean,
it's wild man. It was really special

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to me to just see that,
you know, because I'm like, you

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know, the first you know,
I like to think it's a pretty good

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picture, you know. I mean, for those that haven't seen that,

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I'll just just share that right quick. You know, he's right there on

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the cliff peeking out looking at me, and the original one from the first

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time, Yes, definitely, yeah, and then low and my hope.

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It's just it's remarkable to me,
you know, it's and so I'm like,

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okay, I said, well,
Scott's right, you know, you

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just got to go through very carefully, you know, and look, and

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you know a lot of people criticized, you know, Scott for his stuff,

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you know, and I'm less like
me, I'm just now starting doing

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this and I'm finding stuff that he
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know, I wish, I wish
I could have made him before he passed

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away. Man, that's a bummer. But me and his son were me

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and a son trip. We're in
constant contact, so he's really he's pretty

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Yeah, he's actually sent me several
of his dad's spots. Okay, So

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I was about to ask you because, so, let's say, for listeners

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that are not as well versed in
Scott Carpenter his videos rest in Peace,

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are you able to share was there
like did he have a name for his

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area that you found yourself and then
you went to that area or it just

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came from somebody that knews Scott some
and then I got in contact with Scott's

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son after that. Oh, so
you're this isn't public knowledge. This is

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Scott's son reaching out to you and
saying, hey, this is where my

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dad went. If you want to
go go. Yeah. Wow, that's

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really special, Harley. Yeah,
I know. Yeah, you're telling me,

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And I've got several other ones that
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Oh my goodness, dude. Yeah, it's crazy, dude. I'll show

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you another one that I got.
Look at this. I don't know if

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you can see him or not,
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That's wild, dude. Regarding Scott
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when you went back to him and
you said, hey, I've got these

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pictures from the same area that your
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and check these out. He knows
his son knows that they're real,

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and he's just very cautious, you
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say things, these beings, you
know, I used to be like everybody

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else. I thought they were some
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lot closer to us than what we
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you know. And it is a
rabbit hole for sure, because I

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mean some of the Scots stuff.
That's it's crazy. It's definitely extremely interesting.

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The times you've gone out, has
it all been in looking at the

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footage afterwards, or has there been
a time where you've you've noticed something in

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real time, You've seen something in
real time, let's say real There was

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one time. I'm actually too you
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in there, I've just went over
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I started using the back trail camp
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that was when I actually had my
second camera and you know, I'm going

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into this area and I started some
feeding stations where I I feed them,

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and uh, you know, I'm
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uh, you know, my wife
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her to stay on the main trail
because I was going off the main trail

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one hundred yards if that. And
you know, it started getting real thick,

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and I told her, I said, if I start hollering, I

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said, run, I say it's
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I mean, she's she's iffy about
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show her some of these pictures's like, that's that's something. And I'm walking

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through there and I kept hearing something
walking over in front of me, and

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I was like, there's something over
here walking and I'm I'm walking and I

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come to this fork in the trail
that goes left and right and something just

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is I just look right and I
looked right and I see this bigfoot go

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behind a tree. You know,
it's it's reddish brown and it's you know,

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we had a gray looking skin and
he goes behind this tree and I'm

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just like, oh my gosh.
I was like, this one's a lot

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closer. The first one was that
he's twenty twenty five yards away from me,

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and this thing steps out from behind
the tree and it squats down and

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there the bush and it pinched out. Yeah okay, like oh my,

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And then instantly there was one behind
me stopping. Sorry, hold on,

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dude, I'm telling you, every
time we get into like crazy bigfoot stuff,

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the audio wigs out on me,
like I don't know what's going on.

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It's weird. Like right I started
talking about the big Dude, I'm

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telling you, like what the powers
that mean? Could do you mind saying

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that part of that part over with? Like what happened when you saw the

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bigfoot going down? Dude? That
was weird. So he walks out from

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behind this tree, and you know
I can see it. He's got reddish

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brown hair and his skin's gray,
and he crouches down and behind this bush

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and he just pieces his head out
through the bush. And as I'm sitting

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there looking at him, over to
my left, there was a loud snap,

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like a branch, just a big
branch just got broken, just snapped

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real out. And then almost instanside
me, there was one stomping. You

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know, I only seen the one
because I got the hell out of Dodge.

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After that happened, you know,
I was surrounded. I had three

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of them, you know, I
had one I physically saying, and the

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other two was one was to my
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That was that was a wake up
call right there, from the one

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that you saw. You know how
people have categories of what they think bigfoot

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is. Did what you see did
that put it in to a certain category

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in your mind? Or was it? Was it not what you're expecting at

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all? It was it was not
what I was expecting at all, you

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know, because they're they're very human
like, very very human like. You

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know, because my first encounter with
one, it was seventy seventy five,

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I couldn't make out much about it. But this one was much closer.

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You know, I could see the
face real clear and everything, and very

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very human like. It's it's crazy. So, I mean, they they're

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they're you know, I think now, I mean, there's a lot of

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people that you know, hate on
this theory or whatnot. You know,

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I really do think that Bigfoot,
you know, were des same way somehow

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from the nettil from biblical times,
you know, because you know, Fallowels

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approcreated with human women and mid a
race of giants and sure enough Bigfoot,

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you know, giant creature. I
mean they could have adapted over time to

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become smaller. I mean it's a
good possibility. That's what I think at

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least, you know. But it's
a huge in the net and Bigfoot connection.

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But you know, I lean more
towards that. Yeah, it's it's

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weird. The only other interview I've
had where I really had audio's audio issue

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is when the guys started talking about
giants and nephil and stuff a while back,

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which is not really surprising either.
You said that it had a very

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human look to it. So when
you're saying that, was it like you

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could have seen this guy walking down
the street towards you, or is like

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some people will say, human like
maybe like a Neanderthal looks humanly when you

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look, when you look into one's
eyes and it's looking back at you and

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your eyes, there is a soul
behind those eyes. You know, it's

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almost like looking into another human.
It's it's it's weird. I don't know

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how to explain it, but it's
like looking another person in the eyes.

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If you had been looking I'm going
to be very careful how I say this.

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If you had been looking through a
scope at it, could you been

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able to do usually what you would
have done if you'd been looking through a

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scope. No, there ain't no
way I'd be doing murder, gotcha?

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That way, that's wild. I
mean there's a lot I'll say this.

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You know, there is a lot
of debate behind the Sashquatch genome project,

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you know, but Scott send in
some hair samples from right here in a

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Great Smoking Mountains National Park. The
I mean, the DNA shows you know

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that the mitochondrial DNA from a bigfoot
is a human mother from the Middle East,

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and then through the DNA is something
completely unknown. Mm hmm. You're

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you're talking about the genome project from
doctor Melbury Ketch them. Yeah. I

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mean there's a lot of huge debate
on that. But you know, I've

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talked to doctor Ketchen myself and she
seems like she's a very nice lady.

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Uh oh uh. Someone doesn't want
this conversation to happen exactly time. I'm

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telling you, I'm telling Harley what
is going on, dude. This is

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wacky. I'm exposing the truth,
dude. Dude, this is why.

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Oh, oh my goodness, this
is weird. I've never had stuff like

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this happened. Dude. I'm telling
you, I'm exposing the truth they've been.

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I've been on our radar, Jeremiah, Who's who Do you think it's

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the powers of me? I know
who it is. Yeah, because I've

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had unmarked SUVs driving around my road. For one, Our town's cops only

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have forward Explorers and Dodge Chargers.
They don't have SUVs that are unmarked.

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Really, yeah, especially since I
had my dog Man encounter. Oh my

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goodness, Sorry, I'm getting wigged
out. Oh boy, how closer they

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getting to you? Those vehicles.
Oh, they'll be parked right outside,

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and then I go go outside and
they leave, or even if I go

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to peak open the window, they'll
leave. I don't know if they bug

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the I'll tell you something funny.
I sold my truck. Okay, the

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guy that bought my truck that same
evening he called me. He said,

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what did you do? I'm like, what are you talking about, dude?

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He said, I got four unmarked
cops sitting at the end of my

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road. Holy crap, Harley,
Yeah, they bugged your vehicle. Yeah,

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and I sold it to that guy. Dude, No way, Yeah

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there is. Oh my god,
I had no I had no idea this

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episode was going to go in this
direction. This is nuts. Well,

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when you start talking about the nephalon
and all that stuff, it's kind of

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hard for people to not try and
shut that stuff down. Yeah, I

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get it. Do you have like
cameras and stuff. I don't go with

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it. You know, if they're
going to get me, they're going to

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get me, you know, And
the only thing I can do is try

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to expose the truth as much as
I can. You know, I got

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kids and my wife, and you
know, in their safety's never one priority

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to me. I know. It's
crazy because you go to the cops,

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they're not gonna They're not going there's
be a whatever. Yeah exactly. Yeah,

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oh man, this is this is
this is wild up. So you

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said that you've had you've also seen
a dog man as well. Yeah,

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but I got another big foot encounter
to go over before. Let's see.

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All right, So January January seventh, a group, I'm party Harley,

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what okay? So is your like
is there's no issues on my end?

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This is not your battery? Fine? Yeah, I've got seventy percent batteries

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still Okay, go ahead? Uh. Anyways, a group of uh North

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Carolina Investigats is a group I'm part
of, and it's Robert Efler and George

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Lansford and our producer Eric Cary.
We have podcasts North Caroline Investigates. And

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they came up, and you know, George, he had never seen a

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big foot. He's an author,
he's got several books out about cryptids and

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stuff. And then Robert, he
he runs Go Dark paranlel on a couple

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of other things. And they came
up, you know, and I showed

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them all the stuff that I'd found
from the ex'es and the arches and all

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that stuff. And we found some
dog man tracks that had there five inches

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across and there was a five foot
stride in between each track. You know.

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There wasn't like a regular canine track. You know, they were singular

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tracks, just one after the other. And you know, we're going along

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through there, and I think there's
some kind of relationship here in the Smoky

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Mountains between the big foot and the
dog man, not fighting or nothing like

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that, but I'll dive into that
shortly. Anyways, So we started coming

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back down the trail, and I
tapped George on the shoulder. I said,

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let's go down in this holler.
I said, Robert and his wife

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will stay on the main trail,
and I said, we'll stay on walkye

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contact with him. So we dive
off in this holler and we're on one

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side, and then there's another side
of the holler over here, and we're

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walking across through there, and I
stopped because I seen this big black mass

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moving out of my peripheral and I
stopped and I said, George, I

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said, there he is. He
said what I said, there's a bigfoot

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right over there. He said that's
just a shadow. I said, does

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a shadow move? He said no. I said he's right over there,

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standing behind that tree, peeping his
head up looking at it. He said,

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hardly, that's a shadow. I
said, no, it's not.

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I said, stand right here.
I said, I'm going to walk towards

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it and see if he'll move.
Jeremiah, I didn't walk with twenty feet

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and I stept on this branch and
it shounded like a shotgun going off,

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and this bigfoot reaches its arm up
and leans out to look for me because

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he couldn't see me, and George
just says, oh shit, And that

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was his first bigfoot encounter. It
was very special to share with him in

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the Smokies yep. Then the Great
Smoking Mountains National Park. Oh wow,

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that happened January seventh this year.
I got to talk to him for sure.

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Yeah, definitely, I'm going to
get you his contact in him telling

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it. Oh, it's great hearing
him tell it there. I'll tell you

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he still talks about it to this
day. Can you imagine that's your introduction

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to the world of bigfoot, like
having that happen to you. Yeah,

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he thought it was a shadow.
He thought it was a shadow. I'm

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like, George, that's not a
shadow. So so then after that happened,

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then what did you guys do you
We're like, we gotta get out

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of here, or what happened?
He wanted to chase it, So what

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00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.039
do I do? I go chasing
it with him. So we go running

406
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.800
up through there and it didn't look
as thick as what it did. But

407
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.920
when we got over there, we
were pushing the brush away and everything.

408
00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:00.880
But right there in the moss where
he was standing, there was the three

409
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.719
toes. In between the pinky and
the big toe were perfect, and you

410
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.920
know, you could still make out
a little bit of the foot impression,

411
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.360
but they were right there, perfect
than the moss. And we figured he

412
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.159
was about eight and a half feet
because I could reach up but not even

413
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.679
touch where his head was. You
know, I'm sick six and I could

414
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.599
probably reach about eight foot maybe,
and its head was way up there.

415
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.119
We call it alfalfa because on top
of his head where it was raining and

416
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.400
snowing on us a little bit,
his hair was sticking up. We called

417
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.519
it alfalfa. Yeah, it's funny
and little rascals. Yeah, I love

418
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:46.719
it. Did you get any pictures
or anything from that day? I have

419
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:52.119
a couple, not very many,
But we actually just went back to this

420
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.840
last Saturday. We found several twenty
inch tracks and a couple of sixteen inch

421
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.920
tracks. Really yeah. The one
of the really good twenty inch tracks,

422
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.280
it was ten inches across at the
toes and it had a seven inch heel.

423
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:15.000
Have you gotten to the point where
you have been trying to cast stuff

424
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:21.239
yet? I've got stuff, Jeremiah, But the ground there's two mountainous and

425
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.440
rocky. Sure. That track that
we found that was twenty inches, it

426
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.960
was in the moss and I wasn't
even going to try and cast it in

427
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:32.960
moss. Something you might look into. And I don't know what kind of

428
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.840
phone you have. There are some
phones where you can get apps where you

429
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.800
can do a three D scan.
Oh really, Oh yeah definitely. Look

430
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.800
you just made my day because the
thing is is these guys that are going

431
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.960
out and doing these three D scans
of tracks, then you can see it

432
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.280
in such a way where then you
can see the mid tarsal break. No

433
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:00.119
way, it wouldn't be able to
see just looking down at the track and

434
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.760
you can see the three D.
Dude, you just change your life.

435
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.760
So yeah, that's definitely. Look
that, dude, that is crazy.

436
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:14.119
Yeah, I have to look at
that. Yeah, that's crazy, dude.

437
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.920
I didn't know that. Well you
you you taught me something new today,

438
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:24.960
Absolutely glad I did. I'm guessing
that area is kind of an unnamed

439
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:30.519
section of the Smoky Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, probably for the best.

440
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.719
Yeah yeah yeah. Uh. There
is one guy that I will share this

441
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:38.559
right quick. There is a guy
that goes up in their hiking with his

442
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:43.920
dog and he had to run ends
with them and he didn't even know what

443
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.440
they were. Uh. One time
he was walking his dog up through there,

444
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:52.480
and the dog seen something and it
was going to go chase it,

445
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:53.920
but they came running back and he
just caught a glimpse of it. He

446
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:58.800
said it was reddish brown, and
it was there and it was going.

447
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.639
He said it was crazy how that
thing didn't make a sound when it moved.

448
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.760
And then the second time listened to
this. So the second time,

449
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.719
he hadn't running with him. He
was walking his dog and the dog had

450
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:13.320
a jacket on it. The dog
goes on up the trail ahead of him.

451
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.639
Well the dog comes back without his
jacket on. What Yeah, So

452
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.360
he goes on further up the trail, lo and behold his jacket. The

453
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.280
dog's jacket is hanging up on a
tree about eight feet off the ground.

454
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:37.280
Dude, that's wild. I know
that's the kind of guy. So that's

455
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.880
a non bigfoot guy too, isn't
it. Yeah, he didn't think nothing

456
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.719
about it. And then I showed
him something of the pictures that I've got

457
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:50.079
of him from my cameras, and
he's just like, holy cow. He

458
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.960
said, those are in here.
I said, yeah, I said they're

459
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:58.400
in here. You gotta pass on
my infoch of that guy. Those those

460
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.119
are the very rarely, I very
rarely run into Its just I know his

461
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.400
name is Mike. That's all I
know. It's just sometimes he's in there

462
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:13.480
and sometimes he's not. If the
fates collide into Mike, I would ask

463
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.239
you, Yeah, I'll definitely give
him your contact answer for sure. I

464
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.880
love talking to the guys where they
they have no idea what bigfoot is.

465
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:30.320
You know, you've it's just it's
a it's a that was you and now

466
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.400
you're in the world. Yeah,
child, right, exactly. Yeah.

467
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:39.960
I can't wrap my mind around how
you started out not knowing anything about it

468
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:47.239
and now you're like pretty much have
access to Scott Carpenter's spots, uh,

469
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:53.559
the ones where he was like I'm
out of here, and now you're able

470
00:41:53.599 --> 00:42:00.639
to almost in a way continue the
research work, you know. Yeah,

471
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.880
And it's he's a huge inspiration for
what I'm doing. You know. I

472
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.440
looked up bigfoot research in Tennessee and
lo and behold, his name popped up

473
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.960
right and I subscribed and ever since
and now me and his son are pretty

474
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.880
good friends now. So I'm really
thankful for that. I really wish I

475
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.239
could have met his dad though,
Yeah, I never got to talk to

476
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:25.599
him either, which is a big
regret. But I know different people have

477
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:32.599
different viewpoints on the guy, but
hey, yeah, I'll talk to I'm

478
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.920
the kind of guy I'll talk to
anyone. So it's exactly yep, treat

479
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.960
others the way you would like to
be treated, as my motto. Exactly.

480
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:51.159
So about this dog man, bro, oh my gosh, that is

481
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.039
a that is something you don't want
to run into. I'll just tell you

482
00:42:53.039 --> 00:43:04.519
that right now. So January twenty
nine of this year, I go I

483
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.840
think I'm going to go to my
normal spot. I'm driving along. I'm

484
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.360
like, nah, I'm gonna go
somewhere else. Well, it's further up

485
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:16.360
the mountain from where I've been going. And this first spot that I go

486
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.480
to, it's below a campground and
I'm going in there and I'm looking around

487
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.760
and stuff, and I find this
huge asterisk made out of broken trees.

488
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.400
It's literally an asterisk made out of
these huge trees that are broken. And

489
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.239
I'm just like, Okay, that's
that's probably signs of them, because I

490
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:37.639
don't see anybody snapping these trees and
just making that asterisk out of them.

491
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.159
I Mean, I was like,
that means something for them, you know,

492
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.639
because you know, let's just basically, these beings make stuff that mean

493
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:51.400
something, so whether it be food
or water or whatever. You know,

494
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.039
I'm still hiking along through this area
and I'm still finding stuff, and you

495
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:58.159
know, it's still pretty good ways
away from this campground where I wouldn't think

496
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.599
it would be hikers just they're peddling
around, and you know, I find

497
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:07.840
these huge rock stacks, you know, one, two, three, stacks

498
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:09.840
of three, and they were within
twenty feet of each other. I'm like,

499
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:13.119
you know, that's a pretty good
side rock. And I don't think

500
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.039
I could pick that rock up.
I was like, if it take a

501
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.480
heck of a man to just pick
up rocks and just stack them in threes

502
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.119
for no reason. So I'm like, okay, that could be signs.

503
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.840
And I'm just like, okay,
Well, I went back to the truck

504
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:30.679
and I go up to this next
area and it's pretty good little hike back

505
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.719
up in there. It's probably twenty
five thirty minute hike. And I'm hiking

506
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.400
along through her It's cold and it's
starting to snow a little bit, and

507
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.440
I'm just hiking along through are and
I come across a couple of creeks across

508
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.800
these bridges to go across the creeks, and I come down this hill and

509
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.559
across this little creek and I come
back up the hill and there's a fork

510
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:52.800
in the trail. One of them
goes to the right and one of them

511
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.239
goes to the left and go up
the mountain towards the waterfall. And I'm

512
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.320
like, well, I guess lifts
the only way to go. Because the

513
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.920
trail of the right wasn't maintained by
the park services or nothing. I was

514
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:06.320
like, well, I guess I'm
going left. Well, I went up

515
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:10.320
through there and I noticed this trail
that just ran straight across the road and

516
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.760
it was like a game trail on
the most and I was like, huh

517
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:19.639
okay. So I go to the
right and I'm just walking it. It

518
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.159
wasn't fifty yards off the main trail, and I'm looking and I'm just I

519
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:28.039
look up and I'm like, oh
my god. And there was two huge

520
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.079
twist brakes, and one of them
was probably about eight foot off the ground.

521
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.800
I mean, you can see where
the trees were just like twisted and

522
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.880
broken. One of them was facing
up the mountain and the other one,

523
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:42.960
I think that one was ever a
bit of twelve thirteen foot top of it

524
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.480
would way up there and it was
just twisted and broken. There was no

525
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.760
other trees in that general area for
it to explain that if it was wind

526
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.880
or not. I mean, just
just so coincidentally, there's two trees.

527
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.840
One's facing up the mountain and one's
facing down the mountain. And so I'm

528
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.920
standing there looking around like okay,
if I'm going to into anything, it's

529
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:05.480
going to be a big foot.
I'm like, okay, I just I

530
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:07.840
just had that feeling. I was
like, I'm going to run into something.

531
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.880
Well, I turned around and I
started walking back to the main trail

532
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.239
and I get back on the main
trail, I'm walking back up. I'm

533
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.880
going further up the mountain. It's
getting colder and I'm starting to snow a

534
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:21.320
little bit more, and I packed
the lights, so I was starting to

535
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.119
get cold, and I'm just like
okay, and I start going up through

536
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:28.719
a little bit more and I come
to a curve in the trail and I'm

537
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:34.559
checking my phone and I had thirty
percent battery, and I'm like, okay,

538
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.280
all right, So I'm I start
going around the curve a little bit

539
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.199
more and I checked my phone again. It says ten percent battery and then

540
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:45.280
it shut off and I'm like,
this is Daja Vu from September twenty third

541
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.199
all over it again. I'm just
like, okay, I'm going to run

542
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:50.880
into something. Well at that point, I was starting to get colder and

543
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.159
it was starting to snow more,
and I'm like, okay, I gotta

544
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:58.119
go. So I turned around and
come back around the curve. I didn't

545
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.320
walk ten or fifteen after coming around
a curve and I heard something behind me

546
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.679
to my right, and I'm just
like, okay, there's something right there,

547
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.119
and I'm gonna turn and I'm gonna
look, and it's gonna be there.

548
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.519
I turned and I looked, and
laying there flat on the ground is

549
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:19.000
a huge canine, huge dark brown, huge yellow eyes. And I'm just

550
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:23.559
like, oh my god. I
was like, if all things run into

551
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.360
why did it have to be you? And this thing pushes itself up off

552
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.239
the ground with its forearms and it
takes three steps and it's at a tree

553
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:36.280
and it's looking at me. It's
got one hand up on the tree and

554
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.519
it's just reaching out its arm try
and grab me. And this thing was

555
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.280
dark. It was dark brown.
It had like a the top of its

556
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:51.159
head in between its ears was flat
and likes. Its nose was just smudged

557
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.760
up into it now. And this
thing, its hands were almost like a

558
00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:00.239
raccoon's hand. I don't know if
you've ever seen raccoon's hand, it's very

559
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:05.239
very raccoon like. And this tail
was almost like a fox's tail, was

560
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.239
just big, poofy, and it
had like a main run down the back

561
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:13.119
of its neck. And this thing. You know, all these stories that

562
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.000
I've heard about dog main they have
backwards facing legs, and I'm just like

563
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.039
the one that I seen had forward
facing legs. It literally it was like

564
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:27.360
just a human like. It was
very very strange. You know, I

565
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.119
couldn't make out the feet because of
the leaves and stuff. But this thing

566
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.519
was in our ground and me and
all that stuff. This when you look

567
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:39.400
into one of those things eyes,
there is nothing. It's an empty void.

568
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:45.239
It's just nothing. And I just
knew I was gonna die, dude.

569
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.239
I was like, my wife's gonna
move on without me, and my

570
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.920
girls and my son's gonna grow up
without me. It was just everything was

571
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.760
just flashing before my eyes, dude, and I'm just like I'm gonna die

572
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:58.480
right here on this mountain. I
don't have no phone service now be able

573
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.239
to find me. I'm gonna be
missing for one one case. And uh,

574
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.360
I just knew I had to run. And buddy, let me tell

575
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.559
you, I've never moved so fast
in my life. I was running and

576
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.239
I was trying not to fall,
and this thing was off behind me,

577
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:19.880
and it was chasing me off the
trail, and I'll go to cross the

578
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.920
first bridge and it was still chasing
me. And I go across the second

579
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:24.400
bridge and it stopped chasing me.
And let me tell you, I did

580
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.960
not look. I think that's when
it stoped chasing me. I don't know,

581
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.280
to be honest, because I was
gone. I got the hell out

582
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:37.760
of there. It was definitely an
eye open and experience, that was for

583
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:39.599
sure, because you know, you
know, I thought it was maybe just

584
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:45.800
bigfoot was the only thing, you
know, And nope. And the funny

585
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.800
thing is, dude, you know
all these depictions of where wolves and stuff

586
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.840
in movies, that's spot on of
a dog man. It almost makes you

587
00:49:53.960 --> 00:50:01.039
wonder if there ain't some truth in
the science fiction. I think there's absolutely

588
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:07.840
I think we could get a little
crazy with this, but I think that

589
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:14.320
the truth is hidden in the media
that is shown to us. Oh yeah,

590
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.559
you could take that all over the
place too well, you know,

591
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:23.239
and a bunch of these animal attacks
and that are unknown. Okay, if

592
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:28.880
it's unknown, then what is it? Is it whatever? I mean,

593
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.480
it could be anything, you know, and I think a lot of that's

594
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.800
the dog man, you know.
I don't think it's necessarily the Bigfoot,

595
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:40.760
but I mean I could be wrong. Are there a lot of dog man

596
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.639
sightings in that area that I'm too
familiar with. I know there is a

597
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:52.599
woman from I think so that's probably
about she's probably about hour north of me.

598
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:58.599
I think I think she's had a
dog man encounter. I think yeah.

599
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:01.719
But I mean other than that,
I ain't I know Scott captured someone

600
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.719
filming the Smokies. I mean,
I'm not really for certain. I know

601
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:13.559
he's had a couple of run ins
with them. So I will say those

602
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.400
things are evil, and I will
say to anybody if you run across one

603
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:23.079
of those, run for your life. It's interesting how you said when you

604
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:28.639
saw when you looked into the eyes
of the Bigfoot, you saw something that

605
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.519
was a human. You saw a
soul. When you looked into the eyes

606
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:36.119
of the dog Man, you saw
nothing there. It's an empty void,

607
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:38.159
dude. I'm telling you, it's
just just blank. It's empty. There's

608
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:46.559
nothing. I will say this.
I will say this. I did go

609
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:52.000
back and I did get measurements and
stuff on this thing. It was a

610
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:59.239
little over eight feet tall. It
had almost four foot shoulders, and the

611
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.199
stride that it took from when it
pushed up off the ground from where it

612
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:07.199
was laying at it was twenty eight
feet and it took that in three steps.

613
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:15.519
That's eight and a half foot strive. Yeah, the dog Man.

614
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:22.519
Those things can move and they are
killing machines. Have you thought any of

615
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.599
what you think the dog Man is. I know, we talked a little

616
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:30.519
bit about what you think Bigfoot is, but you know, I think I

617
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.559
think they somewhat fall into that same
category of the nephilium in a way,

618
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.880
you know, because the fallen angels
they didn't just procreate with human women,

619
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.679
they approcreated with animals as well,
you know, And I think I think

620
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:47.440
that very well could be exclination for
the dog Man sure, or any other

621
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:54.119
man like cryptid out there. Man, this is a wild one. Hardly

622
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:59.360
I didn't know that, but I
think this needs to be This needs to

623
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.880
get out, you know. But
uh man, you know I'm telling I'm

624
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.840
telling you nothing but the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to their

625
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.239
mind. That's what I stick by. Brother. I'm I'm I'm an honest

626
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:15.400
man, and I just I just
want others to be aware. You've experienced

627
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.320
some really wild stuff. What is
what is your goal with all this,

628
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.960
Harleywood? Where do you go from
here? You know? I want to

629
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.599
I want to keep going. I
want to get more evidence. I want

630
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:29.960
to have more pictures. I want
to have more I want to have more

631
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:31.760
video, and I want to I
want to be able to have something for

632
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:35.800
my kids, you know, whenever
they get older and be like, look,

633
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:38.400
Dad, look for Bigfoot and these
other creatures, and look he's got

634
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:40.679
pictures of them, and he's got
videos of them, you know, and

635
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:45.039
that'll be something something to pass down
to my my grandchildren someday, you know.

636
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.159
I just I just want to be
able to, you know, if

637
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:54.440
I can save somebody's life, you
know, from acting stupid out there in

638
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.800
the woods and ticking one of these
things off, or just being out there

639
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.280
at the wrong time, if I
can slave somebody's life. That's done it

640
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:08.800
for me. M hmm, absolutely, yeah. I mean it's important if

641
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:15.440
you are going to go out,
probably be just talking to listeners. It's

642
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:19.519
smart to go with someone else.
It's smart to tell someone where you're going.

643
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.639
Even if you have like an on
x app or some some way that's

644
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:29.639
someone that you're close to, you
can track you. That's cool too,

645
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.440
because I want you to be another
missing for one. One. I also

646
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:37.920
forgot to mention that in that area
where I had the dog main encounter,

647
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:45.199
I had a compass with me.
Yeah, that compass we're going haywire just

648
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.440
spinning around and around. Oh my
goodness. Why do you think it was

649
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:55.480
doing that electromagnetic field? Yep?
You think there was like a portal there

650
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:59.480
or I don't know. I don't
remember seeing a portal, but you know,

651
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.159
I don't I don't know if we
can see it with the negatie or

652
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:07.440
what. But you know, I
think there's definitely a connection between the paranormal

653
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:12.840
and cryptid creatures. I will I
will say that. I believe. I'll

654
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:19.960
tell you this much from people I've
talked to off air, you you more

655
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.960
often than not, you you can't
see it exactly. It's on a different

656
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.159
spectrum than we feel it. When
you walk through it, you feel the

657
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.719
difference, right, It's on a
different spectrum than we are. It's wild,

658
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.400
dude, it is. It's crazy
stuff, you know, But some

659
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.199
people don't want to look into that
side of it. I mean, just

660
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:38.679
if you opened your mind and think
about it a little bit, it does

661
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:45.559
make sense. Well. I think
when you when you start realizing that there's

662
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:52.599
more going on in the world than
you can see, that's when you start

663
00:55:52.960 --> 00:56:00.639
realizing what's going on, you know
exactly, like all the stuff that's been

664
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.960
going on. The phone's tripping out
audio. They're trying to silence it.

665
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:09.559
But you know, we we managed
to get it going back and we're still

666
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:13.440
pulling through it. It's not the
first time that it's happened to me.

667
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:17.519
It's happened on several other shows as
well as it really Oh thank goodness,

668
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:24.239
that's wild, dude. Share share
some about you know you you started to

669
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:32.280
build a community that is really turned
into something cool. Your your Facebook group

670
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:36.239
that you've got going on, it's
pretty cool. Yeah, it's a bigfoot

671
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.199
Reports and data. It's the AND
symbol, not a and D. You

672
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:44.679
know, it's a safe place for
people to come on and enjoin and share

673
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.800
their encounters without ridicule or nothing like
that. You know, I've got a

674
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:53.079
great group of ad man's and moderators. My good friend Daryl Didton, he's

675
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:57.559
a good one. Uh you know, he's he took me under his wing.

676
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.199
He he runs, he runs everything
pretty good, helps me run it

677
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:07.079
and uh he's I've got a great
group on there, and it's if you

678
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.400
have an encounter to share, come
share it, you know. Or if

679
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.119
you even have an encounter to come
share with Jeremiah. You know, you

680
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.280
don't have to tell your name.
You can remain an honless is and share

681
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:22.199
your encounter. You know. I
decided to share my encounter because I wanted

682
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.440
to get my story out there,
you know, and I have I have

683
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:28.119
great evidence. You know. I
got a photo of this thing, I

684
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:31.840
got tracks in the track way,
and I got vocalizations three different times.

685
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:35.519
And you know, that's a story
I can tell for the rest of my

686
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:37.920
life, you know, and I
won't. It hasn't changed a little bit,

687
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:44.559
you know. I remember it like
it was yesterday. M Have you

688
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.119
ever hung out with Darryl before?
No, I have not you know,

689
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:52.119
with all mostly phone calls. He
lives in Middle Tennessee and I'm Tennessee.

690
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.719
Very rarely am I in Middle Tennessee, So it's kind of hard. But

691
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:00.880
he's planning him, He's planning on
coming out here sometime. He's such a

692
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.960
cool guy. I've talked to him
and someday I would like to meet him

693
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.920
as well. He's just a genuine, cooled individual. Yes, yes,

694
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:12.280
he is stuff together, but yeah, he does. He's got some He's

695
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:16.519
got some incredible encounters, that's for
sure. Harley. I have a feeling

696
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.119
people might want to contact you after
this one, and I've made the mistake

697
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:27.840
of being the middleman for episodes like
this. I can't get any other work

698
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:32.199
done. So how can people reach
out to you if they have questions,

699
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.840
et cetera. Oh, well,
they can reach out to me on Facebook,

700
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:39.440
Harley Owens on Facebook, okay,
And they can reach out to me

701
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:45.119
on my Big Bigfoot Reports and Data
group. Also my YouTube channel as well.

702
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.079
I've almost got a hundred subscribers on
there. So I'm tickled pink with

703
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:52.320
that. I'm tickled with that.
I'm happy with it. And you know,

704
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:58.119
there's there's a lot of different ways
you know, we've I've got a

705
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.960
podcast and a part of North Carolina
and investigates. You can check out out

706
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.960
on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. I
believe we've got on Spotify as well.

707
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:08.719
If you would like to come on
there and share an acounter on there,

708
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:13.679
you could do that, or if
you want to come onto my group and

709
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.119
post there, you post there as
well. Everything's welcome, absolutely, I'll

710
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:22.920
have all that in the show notes. Really excited, exciting to hear everything

711
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:27.719
that's going on. Harley and I
just want to thank you again for coming

712
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.320
on the show. It's been a
good time. Yes, sir, it's

713
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:32.639
been good to talk back with you
again and I look forward to being back

714
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:36.840
again on here someday. My friend
just wanted to take a few minutes to

715
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:42.239
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716
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722
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727
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:37.199
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One more thing. Okay, here's
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guys, where it is. There's
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to go to places people that have
been having bigfoot activity, interview them face

741
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.800
to face, check it out for
myself, all that good stuff. If

742
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:53.519
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749
01:02:28.800 --> 01:03:20.000
listening, and we'll see you next
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750
01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.119
of here, we can tell our
stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there

751
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:27.199
listening. That's too afraid to tell
their story. Maybe this will give them

752
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.599
the courage to come out. And
now I feel so bad about it.

753
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:34.639
Who cares what anybody thinks. I
know what I saw, I know what's

754
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:54.079
out there. That's all I care
about. Please let people know, Please

755
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:59.320
let don't know. If you ever
see one of these things, you need

756
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.320
to tell because if you don't,
then shame on you. You know,

757
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:13.000
shame on you.