Revenge of the Tennessee Donkey Squatch (Archives)

0:00 Welcome to the Big for Society. You've got a special episode from the archives for you today, interview I did with Elijah Henderson from the Cryptid Studies Institute about some wild things he's experienced down in Tennessee. You are not going to want to miss this one. You've seen a bigfoot and like to share about it on the show, Please contact me directly at Big for Society at gmail dot com. And if you can't get enough Big for Society and wish you could hear more episodes, well there's an extra member's only episode out every week on Wednesday. To get access to that, just join the Patreon at patreon dot com forward slash the Big for Society. Now let's get on with the show. All right, Big Faciety, You've got a special treat for you tonight or whenever you're listening to this got mister Elijah Henderson with me from the Cryptid Studies Institute from beautiful Clarksville, Tennessee. How's it going, Elijah?

0:54 It's going good, brother. I'm not sure how beautiful Clarksville it is because it's not a lot of night you're here anymore. It's mostly and I hate it. But the cool thing is. It sounds like you're getting out in the woods though, when I can after it, when I can, If everybody doesn't mind, excuse my look tonight. As you can see, I sort of have sunglasses shapes sunburned into me. I'm doing construction now and they've had me outside a whole lot recently. Oh, I got you tell me all about what is the Cryptied Studies Institute. Well, the Cryptied Studies Institute is a is the brainchild of my dad, Johnny Henderson. He and another researcher you know, talked about going into a cryptid group, and you know, then it was born, so to speak. It's existed for quite a long time since, maybe abound twenty fifteen or so. But our actual YouTube channel where we do all of our documentaries and whatnot, it's only been around for two three years or so. But in that time it's been a really great experience and a lot of really great things. Talk to a lot of great people and whatnot, and yeah, I reckon, we're trucking along.

2:07 We're our main spot of research is land between the lakes in Tennessee and Kentucky, and we find ourselves there pretty often. In fact, I think sometime in May, we got a trip of some friends planned to go out there too. Oh that's awesome. How far away from Land between the Lakes are you, guys? So, Clarksville, Tennessee. Where I'm at, where I'm situated, it's in a really good spot because you're close to a lot of really popular, famous creature sites or spots of renown. From where I'm at, I'm close to about fifty minutes to an hour from Land between the Lakes, about an hour from Montgomery Bell State Park where the werewolf springs is.

2:52 I'm like twenty minutes or so from the Bell Witch haunting site Hopkinsville where the Hopkinsville Goblins stuff happened. If you're in the ghost you know, close to lb Al's Fort Donaldson. I believe it's a supposedly haunted battlefield. And yeah, white Bluff or the White Bluff screaming stuff happening, a lot of stuff happening close to hear and I'm all like within an hour of it, So listeners know, So this may the main episode we're going to be focusing on Bigfoot? Is the cool thing about Elijah? And uh do you call you? Do you call yourself? A C? S I or Crypto Studies Institute. Usually go by Cryptis Studies Institute. But you know what everybody wants to call us, I Reckon. So Elijah, he's telling me beforehand they started out with Bigfoot and then they went into dog Man. So the main episode is we're going to be talking about Bigfoot stuff, but Elijah is going to stick around for a Patreon after Patreon episode where he's going to talk specific about dog Man stuff, because I was like, man, I've got you on here. I'm trying to focus on Bigfoot, but I would be remiss if I didn't spend some time afterwards talking to you about what you know.

4:13 From what I've heard, you guys are considered some of the some of the experts on the subject. But the other cool thing, Elijia is you were kind enough to share a few sounds my way. Let's let's start off by by playing a few of those and getting your commentary on some of them are very interesting. We're gonna play the Bigfoot ones and I will save the dog Man ones for the after show for the Patreon, But any specific Bigfoot one you want to start out with or just I'll pick for you. Ice you've got Well, let me let me play it here first and then we will, uh, we'll do some commentary. So I'm going to play it one more time a little bit louder, all right. So that's very interesting, and I think I want to play this the other one right after it, because it's kind of they're similar. Okay, so what's the story behind those two, Elijah, So let me give you a little bit of background on the region that comes from that comes from Indian Mound, Tennessee, and Indian Mound is actually about twenty seven minutes from Land between the Lakes, which is very ironic. But I have some people that lives on, you know, a good piece of property up there, and they're basically like grandparents for me.

5:42 I've known them my whole life, so you know, they're like grandparents. But they've lived on this property for like sixteen seventeen years, and most of the time they've been there, there's been something on their property. And man, it's been a great research spot down there because it's great in the way a lot of the time you don't have to go out, you know, and hike around in the woods and try to stir something up. If you just sit outside with a fire, generally something will come up and start making noise at you, or you'll just be shooting the breeze outside and you'll hear something off in the distance. Oh there's the bigfoot. You know those that whoop that first whoop, We were actually sitting in their yard, ran a campfire, you know, shooting the breeze with the family, and it's like something got curious and came close, you know, fairly close by and heard activity going on, and it was kind of curiously whooping. I guess to get our attention now. That secondary whoop. The people who owned the property, they left a audio recorder out all night and they caught that one.

6:53 That's how he's gotten a lot of noises. I've actually got like folders of audio clips from him, which may or may not have anything on it, a lot of them. I'll probably just have to go through and see if there's something there. But he's gotten a lot of weird noises just by leaving like a little tupperware bowl with a voice or chorder sitting in overnight. And that second one, I think it might have been called like S two whoop something like that. It's a lot higher pitch, so I kind of suspect maybe that was a juvenile because it had like a much higher tone to it. Oh. Absolutely, It's like when I heard him, I was like, are these like it sounds like almost like gibbings from the zoo.

7:34 This is incredible, Like and these are just out in Tennessee at some dude's properties. Pretty much. It's why I'm going to play the second one one more time since we were just talking about it. That's wild, dude, oh man. And it's it's probably the most unique bigfoot spot I've ever been to. And the reason I say that is before I get into that, let me give everybody kind of a lay of the land. Indian Mound is is is a pretty rugged spot. You know, it's starting to get some construction in the areas. It's starting to you know, see some see some traffic, so to speak. But it's still got quite a bit of nature to it. There's a I believe it's a nature reserve. It's called Cross Creeks pretty close by to this property. And uh, there's quite a bit of nature there. We found you know, evidence of like bear up in the region. You know, there's wild boar up there. But uh, this particular spot where these people are living at. It's off the road.

8:43 You drive up a gravel road up a hill and they live kind of up on top of a hill, and they're surrounded by lots and lots of woods. There's a couple of houses like around them, you know, a couple of different properties, but basically it's all out in the woods and some fields and what not. Now, one of the thing that probably makes it the most unique Bigfoot spot I've ever been to is that in the time we've been there, it imitates a donkey and there's not a donkey up there, But when I was a little boy, there used to be a donkey like way down the road and where they live. From where the donkey was, you would never be able to hear that, you know, it's just too far of a distance. But up on top of that hill where their property is, you'll hear donkeys braying out in the woods and there's nothing like that in those woods, and they'll you know, bray in different points on the property.

9:41 So I have an audio clip somewhere in there that like two or three donkeys bring at the same time, and uh yeah, man, uh that it makes it really wild because in this day and age, there is no more donkey anywhere around and my name. He's even asked his neighbors before, Hey, you ever hear like a donkey out here? And his neighbor told him there's no donkey out there, ain't been donkey out here long time, or there's never been a donkey out here. So there's something around there that's imitating a donkey. That's wild. I'm going to play the sound in a few in a minute, but it's just so. The weird thing is is like, you know, I've interviewed people about Bigfoot for a few years and what I've got so far is bigfoot try to make sounds that don't make sense.

10:35 There are people that will hear what they think sounds like a car door in the middle of the woods, far from away from any cars. That doesn't make sense. And who's to say that they couldn't do a donkey impression. And let's listen to it right now. This is really fascinating. Here we go. Now everybody can hear that there's like two or three donkey sounds there, and historically, from when I was a boy, I only ever seen one donkey down the road. That's like three four donkeys there. I don't know what to I don't know what to think of that man. And it sounds like no tracks have been found, no donkey tracks, nothing like that. Nothing like that man. This is all like rugged woods. Like on one side where you could hear some of these sounds. It's a thick wooded hill and it goes straight down a hill, like into a deep ra vene, and then it comes back up on the other side. It's all just like one deep ravine. I'll be working out there since he's like my grandpa on the day, and I'll just hear like a donkey brain in the

12:05 woods. I'm like, huh, is that bigfoot somewhere? I've got a recording and I haven't been able to find it. I would love to have it back. I don't know if it got deleted or what. We were sitting around the fire there one night, because me and my dad we'd made a geodesic dome and put it out on the property and used it like a like a big giant tent, you know, through a weldersh tarp over the top of it. We were sitting around the fire around that campsite, which was smack Dad right in the woods. That donkey started braying pretty close to the camp, you know, real deep sounding, and it sounded like it got strangled on something like I got strangled on his own spit and it started like trying to bray and there was like coughing at the same time. It was a good audio clip. I haven't been able to find it. Drives me mad. Sometimes I'll be looking through everything can't find it. That would drive me nuts because it's like, yeah, because that's like something's trying to imitate it and then it's got like a frog in its throat or something.

13:07 It was some impressive audio. And man, you hear all sorts of stuff out there. We've heard like things that sound like cows up there. As far as I know, there's no cows, tropical bird sounds, you know, some stuff that just sounds like out of the ordinary, at least in the entirety i've been there. I've never seen a cow close to that close to that property that I can recall. But sometimes you'll hear it, like some of those audio clips in there. It's coming like from out of the woods, you know, where nothing like that would be. You said, this is Indian Mound, yes, sir, it's about twenty seven minutes from the opening of the south end of lambagewein the Lakes. Is it named because there is a an Indian mound in that area? I would imagine that's why it's named. That man and I'm friends with a safety man who he used to have, you know, things happened to him down there, some unusual things when he was a younger man, and he has he knows where the Indian mounains are, so they're still down there. I don't know where they are, but he said he was, you know, doing some hunting pretty close to one one night and he gave us like a weird supernatural encounter.

14:24 Some of those audio clips are as recent as as like probably around September October twenty twenty two. What do you do? You have a feeling as to like, what do you think Bigfoot is? What are you dealing with when you're out there? Well, you know, I think he kind of got a lot of things going on, to be honest, you got your you've got your group of people that think it's you know, something supernatural or something in their dimensional because you got all these folk that report it just vanished, right before my eyes or I watched it step into a portal. You got your your more unusual stories like that, and then you got something that comes from a more grounded point of view, like I was watching it. It was knelt down and eating out of a blueberry bush, you know, just something like that. I've actually got hair samples here that was genetically tested and came back as undocumented primate. So I think there is something physical running around in some capacity. But I think a lot of the things people see there is something supernatural, you know, impersonating something like that or appearing as it.

15:35 You know, there's a lot of confusion that could be spread. You know, if something out there demonic is posing as one of these things, you can you can really stir the pot. I know that's you do have to be aware of what you're investigating, et cetera, as some listeners may be aware. So you send it on to a lab and unknown primate. Really well, the it wasn't me that sent it off. What happened was when I was a when I was a boy, we used to go to these groups. Are you familiar with Mary Green? Yes, yes, But for listeners who aren't, would you mind described a quick summer. Yeah, yeah, absolutely cool. Mary Green Green was a famous bigfoot researcher and she did a lot of work with the Chattahooche Bigfoot Research Organization. And when I was a little boy, you know, we joined that group and they would have annual gatherings in Standingstone State Park. That's where they did a lot of research. We've done a lot of research. Is a it used to be a really good spot and it's declined pretty badly. But Mary Green, you know, she wrote the book Fifty Years with Bigfoot, which they got an audiobook of it on YouTube, but it's it's been impossible to get a physical anymore. But she's a very well known woman. She would have sort of more in her research. It seemed to take more of a personal relationship with

17:10 the bigfoot, because you know, she would have specific bigfoot she worked with in standing Stone that she would call by name. She'd go unto this spot called Grumpy's Place or Grumpy Spot, and there's a sasquatch there named Grumpy that you know, they'd sometimes have experiences with. I forget the names of the other one. That's when I was a little boy, but uh yeah, she uh for one of those annual conferences that they had up there. They had a sort of raffle that they were doing. They had like a poster board sitting on a table, and you know, they'd have different prizes, and one of the prizes was some of those hair samples and they had, you know, pictures of the results of the hair that came back from the lab. And just as a nice gesture, Mary gave me and my sister like three bags like with a couple of strands of that hair. And yeah, that's how that's how we got ahold of that nice there you go, there you go. I love it. Chatahoochie. Is that in Georgia or Tennessee? It was Georgia. They well, we'd meet up in Tennessee.

18:17 It was over in's Overton County at Standingstone State Park, and it used to be such a good spot. Man. But I'm not going to name names, you know, publicly, but from what I heard, a very well known TV Bigfoot researcher went over there and was firing guns. And you can't hardly get anything to show up there anymore. I've heard like sort of outside of the park that people have stuff happen, but actually in the park at the old locations. So has Bigfoot been in your your family DNA for quite a while, Elijah, like our family history and whatnot. Yeah, yeah, sorry that that was a really weird way to say. That got weird.

19:07 Yeah, family history, let's say that. Yes, So there has been a lot of Bigfoot stories in my family. So my dad, my grandma come from East Tennessee over at Dayton, Tennessee. And for those that aren't familiar with that area, it's a small town. Even today it's it's small, but you know, it's starting to get bigger. It's where the famous Scopes monkey trial took place, you know, which was basically the starting point of evolution being taught in the schools. It was the creation versus evolution court debate, so to speak. And that that's the same time where that took place. But you know, there's a been quite a bit of activity happening up there. My family used to own some property up there. They're you know, in the sixties, they'd been there for a while, but this took place sometime in the sixties. Where they lived. It was down an old gravel road and there's trees on both sides and they'd kind of curl over like this, and you know, make the road really dark at night.

20:11 It would you know, block out a lot of the light. And they'd be coming down that road at night, you know, after getting their business done in the day, whatever it was, and they would hear something following them. I'm up on the hillside, you know. They'd see little stones coming down the hill, you know, kind of rolling down the hill as it was walking. They would walk, it would walk and follow them. If they'd start running, it would run, or if they just stop, they would stop, you know, classic bigfoot. And they would run back to the house and this thing would be coming after him, and they'd close the door and they didn't have like a dead bolt or anything like that on their door, so they'd push the stove up against the door to try to keep this thing out, and they'd see the doorknob, you know, the door kind of shaking back and forth like that. And it didn't seem to know how to operate the act will door knob mechanism, but I guess I'd watched them, and you know, it was grabbing the door and shaking it. Things continued down there, and the family one night was sitting around, you know, listening to Loretto Loretta Lynn records nice and they heard some sort of noise coming from the from the window that looked over and they've seen something looking in at him. I think I think I was told that it was kind of a growl and a kind of raspy breathing something or other.

21:29 But it had glowing red eyes his watching them, and it kind of had a monkeyish appearance, but it had a wide nose like an old man, it was described to me. And you know, this was the Deep South, you know, over an Appalachia. So what did they decide to do. They took the rifle outside and they were going to try to shoot this thing, but you know, get outside, it's gone, can't find anything. Well, thanks progress a little more. And on my aunt Myrtle's farm, they're having home ugs come up missing, you know, and at that time, you know, hogs were a staple. They were their food. They you know, you could trade them if you wanted to. They were just really a staple resource for the people up there. And to have them come up missing was a big problem. So one of my uncles, one of them, he's not living anymore, but he was one of the meanest men to ever by the daylight. You know, nothing really scared him.

22:23 He did a steak at with some other folk, and you know they're watching to see who was coming up here taking the hogs. Well, they described that something that looked like a gorilla loped out of the woods, stepped over the fence into the hog fence, picked one up by its front legs, by its back legs, slung it over its shoulders like that, traps back into the woods. And he said he wouldn't have shot it for anything. It would just made it mad and would come and killed us. But I mean, hogs are hogs are massive. My sister's got a mini pig. He's not many anymore, but I can't even wrangle him, you know.

23:07 So something just coming in there and grabbing actual hogs, grabbing them by the legs, throwing its over its shoulders, and just taking off with it. That's some force there. I cannot imagine seeing that with my own eyes. Man that hosted be so cool man. And I guess the last thing from up with that property that I know of is one of my It was either a cousin or an uncle. I'm sorry I can't remember which, But he was riding his horse out in the field around that property, and as it was described there as one of those bigfoots sleeping in the field and his horse jumped over it, and it scared the bigfoot. It jumped up and run.

23:49 It scared the horse. It started doing this thing, and obviously it scared my family member. Some versions of the story it bucked him off, and some story versions of the story he was able to hold on to it. But either way, that horse jumped over a sasquatch and it terrified both of them. Bigfoot got up and run. And sometime after all this stuff had happened, the neighboring county started having newspaper reports of a wild man around there, and didn't really have anything go on there anymore that I know of, So I guess it moved on. Whatever it was. That's good, man, Is that is that property still in your family? Then? No, there's a man, Oh what was it? It's it's like the housing projects they're built there. Now. It's on a hillside and it's kind of overlooking some of the town, but at that time it was a lot more wooded and whatnot. I've got a picture of like the old place. I can privately send it to you later if you want to see some sort of where it was at, because it's only like a shot of like one of the houses. You can't really see the woods, but you can see the house that was there is off in the distance. See, this is why people don't get like, how how can these sasquatch be seen like so close to the houses. Well, it's because the areas where we're building houses used to be extremely wooded, and we just cut all the trees down and put up some parking lots and stuff, and you know, it's like that's how it happens. It's crazy in your area. Yeah, I love hearing about

25:22 like the regional Bigfoot stories, like the names. You don't hear the names that you're not going to see in the books. Are there you know, creatures that are well known in your area that have like the crazy nicknames like that there's an Alabama white Thing or any any big Foot type creatures down in your area, well close to me. Not in Clarksville, because Clarksville's pretty awful. I'm not gonna lie, it's pretty awful. I've heard a Bigfoot story or two from up here in Clarksville, but it's all neighboring things. We got about forty fifty minutes from here with a White Bluff screamer. And that place is unique because you've got almost like two variations of the way it's told. Some variations or is that it's like a supernatural spirit type thing, and then some variations are more of like a told like it was a bigfoot.

26:22 Excuse me if I forget some of the details, but it's the most famous story that I know of attributed to It was something to the effect of every night. This is probably like seventeen eighteen hundreds something like that, but this fellare you know, he was in his home and late in the night he'd hear just some sort of blood curdling scream off in the woods, and you know, this would repeat, I guess for a night or two or however long. But he eventually was hearing it again one night and he decided he was gonna go check it out, whatever this was. So you know, he got his gear, whatever that was. I guess it would have been a lantern and a gun went off in the woods, storming off after this thing, and he would hear these blood curdling screams and he'd approach them, but he could never get closer to him. They was always kind of moving further away. And then when he got so far off in the woods, he heard all these horrible screams coming from his house and he turned around, ran back to his hounds, got home and his wife and kids had been just massacred by something. And I remember hearing something like he looked at his window and he could see like a white bigfoot of shape standing there, and there's I want to say, they had left like footprints in the grass that almost looked like they'd been burned into the grass. Now, like I said, sometimes it'll be told and more of like it was a spirit.

27:48 Sometimes it'll be told more like it was a sasquatch. Now, I do got a buddy up there who he got some recordings, as I want to say. He said it was as a train was going by, but it sounds like God's Zilla roaring in the distance. If anybody wants to hear that, I've got a White Bluff screamer video on my channel and that audio is in it. Not trying to self promote or anything, but if anybody wants to hear the audio, it's there. Oh, everyone should go oh, So the thing is, I'm sure half the people have been there and subscribed, and the other half need to go there, watch the video and subscribe and hit the bell because Crypti Studies Institute YouTube channel. Isle. Shit, it's good. I should appreciate that, man, your good stuff. So yeah, it's going to be in the show notes, don't you worry.

28:37 But at the end of the day, you're saying that this the story is is that this white sasquatch took out a family or almost a whole family. That's wild man. Yeah, whether it was a bigfoot, some sort of evil spirit something, that's one of the stories attributed to it. And now I mean just right close to that. I mean it's basically same area. White Bluff is basically smack dab up against Montgomery Bell State Park, and there's bigfoot activity up there. My dad seen in. Another researcher named Nathan Davis seen three of them up there in two thousand and nine. And even Mary Green, who we talked about earlier, said that the bigfoot up there were known to be kind of a violent variety. And on the back side of the park there you got werewell springs where historically there's been more what seemed to be dog man sidings up there, violent dog man sightings. So all this crazy stuff is going on in the same area as the Belwich Cave. Well from Clarksville, it's about twenty or so minutes, so it's probably like an hour or so from Montgomery Bell State Park. But it's all roughly in the same area. I mean, bell Witch happened in Robertson County, and in that same county. You know, there's been bigfoot reports, there's a you got the Critter of car Creek up there. It's a weird area, man,

30:08 dude. I mean that's close enough for me, Like I if I am, If I'm like an hour away from the Bellwich Cave, that's that's close enough for me. That stuff that's wild, man. Uh, but tell me about the critter. What's what's the story on the critter there? Well, Uh, the Critter of car Creek. It's kind of described as like a like a hyena, and you can find newspaper reports about it, the Critter of car Creek as they called it, And every now and then people still see some sort of hyenas looking canine up there. I got a friend who we went to a Bigfoot Conference in Lamb between the Lakes with him, and he was saying he's seen something like that down in a creek and what's kind of ironic o wur construction. So, you know, I'm around a lot of people. I shoot in the breeze with this guy. You know, I'm an expediter and he's in the trailer next to me. He's an electricians expediter, and we're out there talking. One day he said he was from Robertson County, Springfield area. I was like, man, they still see them hyena looking things up there? And he ship his head, Yeah, they people still see him up there. WHOA. So maybe that's some of the dog men that they're up there, you know, because sometimes they'll go from on all fours to upright. Maybe it's like just some hyena that was in a circus show and got released up here. I don't know, man, but some of those. You'll see the name America's Hyena thrown

31:41 around on the internet for some things being seen and listeners may have just got a little bit of a hint as to how to ask someone about if they've seen a creature the good way, which is, hey, you ever seen the you know, just be nice about it, be kind of you know, don't be super direct and serious. Just be a nice guy, and man, you're going to get some info. That's how you do it. Man, I tell you what. Being around all these people in construction, they know exactly what I do. I'm always shooting the breeze with them about bigfoot and whatnot. And I'll go up to them and I'll be like, man, you know, this is gonna be random. But in my experience, it seems like everybody's got at least one bizarre story to tell in their lifetime, at least one weird thing's happening that they can't quite account for.

32:37 You ever had anything like that? And he'll kind of be like, well, you mean like supernatural? I mean like yeah, you know, supernatural, bigfoot, anything like that. And he'd be like, well, it was in this house when I was a young man, and it had it was attributed to be haunted, and me and my buddies are up there, and we were up in the attic and all at one time, out of nowhere, all the doors in the house, everything door in the house just slam shut all at once, and we got the heck out of there, and I don't think he's a gentleman that generally believes in that type of thing. So everybody seems to have at least one story to tell generally. That is a great piece of advice too, about how to approach someone like what's your what's your weird, weird weird thing. Oh that's so good man, I love it. I'm gonna I'm gonna remember that one too. Are you a guy that that tries to go after the uh, the reports that are held by the state Forestry and this state parks in your state? Do you do any of those report things or stick more to witness reports. Well, we sort of just have areas, you know, we've always went to, you know, as family, like, hey, there's a in activity up here, let's go up here. So I usually hit the same spots over in Dayton, Tennessee. There's a park up there called Pocket Wilderness or I think the newer names like Laurel Falls or Laurel State Falls or something like that,

34:09 but the town's always called the Pocket Wilderness. The one of the rangers, the officials up there, he'll be pretty open and just tell you, yeah, there's bigfoot in this park. I've had people that let me back up, there's like a there's been a like a lot of coal mining done in that park before, okay, and there's a ventilation shaft that you can walk up to that's right along the path. Basically on one half you got all these this beautiful water rushing and big giant boulders, and on this other side he had the hills going right up to the mountain. It's a most beautiful park I've ever been to. But there's a ventilation shaft on the excuse me, one of those hillsides, and he's had like five different people tell him that they've seen a bigfoot coming out of that ventilation shaft. It only goes so far back, but it's know, it's full of water and whatnot, and maybe something goes in there drink or just get shelter. It's not extremely big, but even he's seen it. It was throwing stuff off of one of the hillsides at his truck. I remember he said something like that.

35:15 Someone told him they were hiking up somewhere along that hill and they've seen one up there. I believe it was a reddish color and it was a fairly violent bigfoot. But yeah, I've got him. I wouldn't post it because I wouldn't want him to, you know, lose his job or anything. But I've got audio of him recorded telling us about it, and even his boss told him, Man, stop telling people this stuff. You're gonna scare somebody. But he just seems to keep telling people. How do you get a park ranger to get like to be like you just asked him, Hey, you're okay with being recorded talking about Bigfoot or how he's super cool about it. You'll go up there and he'll just kind of be leaning on a post. I guess he loves the history of the park, real good guy. He's like, you want some history, and you'll go up and just shoot the breeze and he'll tell you about like the history of the park, show this like photo album he's made of, like the ventilation chefts, and there's like an old dynamite shock he'll show you pictures of and he just kind of, I guess, just sort of transition the conversation, or at some point he may just kind of tell you, yeah, there's there's something up here. But I remember even seeing somewhere online where somebody was talking about the ranger up there, you know, telling them a big fit stories like just some random post online. So he's super open to that guy. Yeah, I mean he may still be up there. I haven't haven't seen him

36:45 in a long time. But that's wild, real cool guy. The thing I love about your area it is so rich with just wild, untamed stories of creatures and supernatural and things you can't explain, and everybody seems to be into it. It is awesome. It's a weird spot down here. Man does get old. I love all I love all sorts of weird stuff. So I'm like, oh man, we got all this down here, we got bigfoot over here, we got dog men over here. I love it. Then, I mean it's like you're you're living Scooby Doo pretty much like you just go out on the weekends and you Yeah. What what's really ironic is where I live. Historically before this was Tennessee and Kentucky, some organization called like the Henderson Organization, which is ironic, the Henderson Foundation something right.

37:40 Uh no, maybe it's just a bunch of Henderson's, but they are with the transilv I think it was the Transylvania Company. And this land around here actually used to be called Transylvania. So I mean, how how's that for ironic? You know, jeez, wow, that's weird man looking for monsters in Transylvania. H M, that is crazy. Was there ever a time that, you know, I know you said earlier that you earlier in all this you guys were big fort one hundred percent. Was there ever a time when you're out looking for Bigfoot that things just got to a point where you're like, you know what, I'm not sure if I want to be right here right now, Like it's just got a little bit too crazy.

38:30 Well, actually, there has been a time or two like that over in an Indian mound. This was a I was still fairly young at the time. I was with my dad, fellow researcher his name was Jason Acey, and my sister and we're walking. It's on somebody's like around somebody's property, like where they've built now, so we can't really get to it as well as we could years ago now. But we were crossing one of the fields out there and there's a there is a cave off on in the woods somewhere over in that area, and we're going to that cave. It's it's a big rock face and it's it's a pretty narrow gap that you can crawl into and it opens up. But uh, it's a fairly decently sized cave, but it's it's a tide entrance in the front, you know what I mean.

39:28 But anyway, we were going to that cave and we spied some blue eyeshine off in the woods, which there's not really a lot of animals that give off blue eyeshine. We had heard that juvenile animals have a blue eyeshine color, and we didn't know if maybe there's some sort of a like a juvenile sasquatch there. It's low to the ground and there's kind of a ditch behind where it was, and you know, we shined the lights at it and just kind of stared at it for a few minutes, and then went further off in the woods toward this thing, well toward the cave my bad. And we're walking along and I got this audio somewhere. You hear just something snapping. You can hear like the individual fibers of the tree snapping, and then boom, this tree just slams on the ground. And I heard something hollering. I don't think anybody else with me heard it, but I heard it, and that was one of the only times my dad has ever drawn his gun in the woods. He's like, yeah, Jason, you and me, we can come back if you want, but I need to get my kids out of here. You know, this is this is dangerous, and he had his gun out and ready in case something, in case something came out, but we left. We didn't know if maybe we got too close to its juvenile and it was kind of letting us know, hey, stay out of here. But that's one of the only times I ever seen my dad draw gun in the woods. And we're not like pro kill people, but you know, we're pro if something with taxes, we're gonna we're gonna defend ourselves, you know what I mean, You're pro I'm gonna

40:59 get out of this a lie. If I have anything to say about this, absolutely you can attack me, but I'm gonna go out fighting, you know what I mean. That's right, that's right. I don't know your thoughts about this, but it's like if someone actually, you know, let's say these groups where it's like we're gonna take down a bigfoot, Well, dude, you might, but it's going to be the worst day you've ever experienced after you take down that bigfoot and the other three come out just disgruntled as I'll get out, And dude, you guys are going like, I don't want to wish bad on anyone, but it's like, man, you be careful. If you're going to take one down, you better be ready for its brothers that are coming after you. Well, you know, you got all these stories of people shooting these things and nothing happens, but you don't hear a lot if if if people try to shoot toward the face and eyes or the neck. You know, if I was going to try to shoot something like that, I would aim for probably either of the neck, the mouth, or eyes, you know, the sensitive areas. That's interesting.

42:04 Yeah, that's very interesting. I've never thought that deep about it. I'm not a I'm not a a super outdoors man, if if you can imagine, but yeah, that's interesting to think. That's an interesting discussion there. Well, if you I mean, if you think about it, if it was something, you know, some sort of ape like thing that's as massive as people say, you already got a lot of thick muscle in its chest, and then you got that thick chest bone that the bullet would have to penetrate. And if and if you ain't for the head, you know, if it's if it's like an ape, you also have a lot of apes have kind of that thick brow that you'd have to worry about as well. So you better better be carrying something with some knockdown power, you know, just something like that. I think we'll go to lblmar Night or something.

42:53 Dude, man, this has been a super fun to discussion. I think a good intro discussion to what you all are up to down there in Tennessee. And guys, you need to go over to Elijah's YouTube channel next after you're done listening to this, and you just need to start watching some of those videos because there's some wild, wild stuff going on in there. Elijah, thank you so much for hanging out with me. In the main show, we're going to be talking for a little bit longer about some dog Man stuff, some LBL stuff that's going to be for the Patreon after show.

43:37 I've got maybe some other questions to ask you about some other non Bigfoot relaid creatures. Absolutely please take it. Take a few minutes. If there's anything else that you would like to make sure the listeners know anything you need to plug besides the YouTube channel, Go go right ahead, man, Thank you, brother, And I've had a blast on hair as well. I'll just say, you know, thank you. My main outfit is Cryptid Studies Institute. My main platform is YouTube. You know, I upload all my investigations, documentaries and whatnot all there. You know, you can find most, if not all, those sounds, well not the not one of them because I just haven't uploaded, but a lot of our sounds are on there.

44:22 You can go and listen to or they'll be in the videos for each area. But yeah, come over and check out the channel. Let me know what you think. We got a lot of different a lot of different dog Man research videos, Bigfoot, got a lot of different things on there. And yeah, I guess that's all I got. If you want to send me a friend request on Facebook, feel free too. We're on Facebook. We got an Instagram that I don't really use anymore. Sorry, but yeah, that's basically it, y'all. That's awesome. And if the cool thing about this podcast is I have like listeners all over the place. If there's a person, let's say, if they know something weird in that area.

45:06 How best can they get in touch with you to say, hey, man, I gotta I gotta tell you about what happened to me in this area so you know about it. Well, you can always drop me a comment on YouTube, send me a message on Facebook, or my email is Cryptidstudies Institute at gmail dot com. I'll try to get back as quick as you know when I can. I'm I'm sorry. I'm bad about getting back quickly. You know how that went, Jeremiah. I have good intentions, but I'll generally forget to reply back to somebody. I'll get a message, oh yeah, I'll reply that in just a few minutes, and I'll forget. It'll be like two days later. That's our whoops. Well yeah, I'll try to get back to everybody when I can. And remember, if you're in the Patriot, go have a listen because we're gonna be talking about LBL and dog Man and the rest of y'all can check that out too Patreon dot com, Forward slash bigfoot Side. But thank you so much for coming on, Elijah H I know problem. Brother. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that you're subscribed. Share the show with a friend.

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50:12 That's all I care. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you.