Sasquatch Apocalypse at Fort Lewis and all I had was BLANKS.

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same area as discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to Patreon dot com. Ford Slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfat Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Kevin tonight. Kevin's from the Seattle, Washington area. Many different hats, aerospace engineer, background, Air Force veteran. Also, he's got a great YouTube channel, remote cabin radio. We'll talk more about that later. But Kevin, how are you doing today? Sir? Oh my gosh, I'm going and awesome. It is an honor to be here on your show, my favorite show in the Sasquatch Realm. It's great. Seattle as cloudy and beautiful as normal. Been great, fantastic. You've reached out to me, and you've got some really interesting things in your background that have to do with bigfoot and also some military connections. Really wanted to jump right into that and feel free to paint a picture of what you've experienced over the years. It sounds

1:30 really fascinating. Okay, just a little bit about my background as a SEAMA thirty load master. I did my seer training at at Fairchild Air Force Base. Anyone that's been out to Spokane, it was that the famous incident with a B fifty two cartwheeled unfortunately into the tarmac out there during an air show. But it's got a rich history of bigfoot sidings sasquatch depending on who I don't want to offend. Yeah, when we're doing a sear training, you'd hear crazy things out there in the mountains, and if anyone that's in through it knows that you don't want to do it in the winter, but you'll hear certain things out there at times of the year that That's not my two stories, but that was just the initial bigfoot sounds when I knew something was up. I didn't know what it was, but it didn't sound natural.

2:21 And as far as Air Force goes, I deployed as many times as I could overseas after September eleventh, seeing thirty AirLand operations. You would not believe you can see with actual night vision glasses. I'm not talking about the thermal spread spectrum kind. If you want to see bigfoot or sasquatch or anything weird out there, you need the real foster or the green or white fossh MVG's. They're more expensive, but you pay for That's really as far as I think as relevant with the Air Force connection. After that, I did Boeing for seven years as a weight and balance engineer that certified many of the flight test aircraft, the heavies. I want to be specific. I had nothing to do with the smaller airframes, and I'm making that apparent for various reasons.

3:04 What's going on in the news, But the new Air Force one airframes, my name might be on that air worthiness ticket. Hypothetically, let's see seven eighty seven certified a few of the tankers. Moving on from Boeing, then I became a commercial diver, which is like a redneck astronaut. The closest thing you could do to becoming an astronaut is a commercial diver. And my gosh, the remoteness of some of those dams and the places as a commercial diver, which also leads into compressed airwork, which is something else I do. In tunnel boring diving operations is where you're pressed down to let's say three to four bar depending on the depth. There's an equalized pressure barrier that you back off the tunnel boring head and it creates a little pocket and you can work on the tunnel boring device. If you hear any cracks, remember this, if you hear any cracks like broken glass, jump back into that chamber because it's about to let go and you're going to be a pancake.

3:57 But since I did that, I'm still doing that off and on when I find choice assignments. And I'm also a Certified Diver Medical Technician, which is like an EMT but for divers. And on the side, I'm working on a veterans project for mental health awareness called Lecric Sky Ranch over in the Shelane area, which ties into one of my Bigfoot stories and remote cabin Radio dot com so that's probably the cliff notes. I'm skipping a lot of stuff, but I don't want to bore anybody with it. Back to you, Jeremiah, absolutely incredible. I don't know if you listen to the Sean Ryan Show ever. Absolutely yeah, I love Okay, I love the Sean Ryan Show. Just I've never been a military guy, but I started listening to those and I'm like, oh my goodness, this is fascinating, this seal stuff.

4:42 So Alice felt like I was slipping into that a little bit when I was listening to the Tie. It's just it's a fascinating world that I was not able to be a part of because of some medical things in my past. It's just hats off to you for all the different things you were able to to be involved with and still are involved with being there. I don't want to I don't sorry about that. I again, I joined the Air Force. As for the military, my hat's off to those guys. You know, sometimes we didn't even have room service, and our you know, our uniforms only sent away to be pressed. I mean there was like creases and stuff like that, and many times our hotels didn't have catch up. It was horrific. Being deployed to receives was horrific, sir. So we're all part of Rome. We're all part of it. That's the way I look at it. Absolutely served or not, we're all serving. You had mentioned you went something somewhere for training, and you said, sir, SCR training, is that correct s E R E Survive, Evade, Resist, escapes, SEAR training. It like anyone that some people that deploy or like flyers will go through seer training. It seals definitely. I was just a cargo cowboy and I was never like a tactical operator. And I knew those guys some quite well, but I didn't have what it took to be something like that. So I just I really have a love for aviation, but those guys are on a completely different level, different level from me. Absolutely, It definitely definitely paints the picture of your background. Kevin. Let's let's jump right in and Okay, so my first account actually takes place in the Lake Shelan area. I don't want to say exactly where, but I mean,

6:15 let's just say I'm in high school, That's really what it was, and with a couple buddies of mine and I had a forerunner with super smampers. I don't know if you're your audience or you're familiar with super smampers, big knobby tires. So we used to like off rooting is so much fun. It was like a key component to my adolescents. And we were out there at night, off roading, maybe popping off a few rounds, shooting cans, drinking oat sodas or diet cokes, asterisk there. And again I don't condone any sort of thing like that now orever, but that's what we were doing. We had a couple of sodas, and so we're off roading around the mountains of Lake Shelan circa nineteen ninety seven. And we're coming around, you know, these corners at night, and it's a real steep mountain, mountainous area. To one side we have Lake Shechlan, because the other side it's basically a mountain like, heavily forested, lots of deer around, plenty of water. That's what some people say is squatchy. I guess I didn't know it at the time, didn't even know what that meant at all.

7:15 And all of a sudden, we're racing around this corner and there's something coming up the side of the mountain, like right in the center of the road, and it was down on all fours. It did not look like a cow. We're moving so fast, I had to drift around this thing. But as soon as the headlights hit it, it turned its head to the side. And what I did see and everybody else in the vehicle, these are my best friends, I trust them. We didn't have too many diets, so it is where we weren't coherent. This thing turned its head and it just froze. It was cinnamon and you could see muscles all over it. I thought it was a bowl because your brain automatically wants to recognize a pattern, at least that's what they say, and this pattern that I recognized as like a bear or a bowl. But it really made no sense, and we drifted around it and we just continued on going, and everyone in the car was just so shocked that there was this massive, like needy creature in the center of the road. And as soon as we passed it, we know, we wanted to keep our speed up, but we were having fun. The guys turned around and it was already gone. It was already gone. There's no cattle ranch on a mountainous cliffs anywhere near there, let alone. I don't know why a rancher would let his cow out at night like that, but it was just so shocking. I don't even know what it was. I wish I could say it was a sasquatch. I wish I could say it was bear or a cow. But that was like my first experience into this realm of something very strange that didn't make sense, and I put it in the back of my brain and that was the first

8:46 account that I can say there. Jeremiah, have you done any research to see if similar type creatures were seen in the same area over the years. I have Lake Schlann in the Wanacchi National Forest is full of sasquatch sightings, especially Ellensburg. That's another place. It's not too far away, and where I did my sear training, Fairchild Air Force Space. They're all over Washington State. At the time, I had no idea it's a hot bed for sasquatch. Apparently so were there reports then of even people seeing this around the base as well? Oh Fairchild Air Force Face and Spokane. I don't know, because when I was in seer training, I just hear some things.

9:28 I didn't do any research on that then, but after the fact, years later. Yet there's sasquatch reports, many sasquatch reports in the Spokane area, too many to list. I can't even think of one that stands out that's any different from all the rest. There's corroboration in a lot of the data. You can eliminate the edge cases and apply a coefficient of let's say, craziness or people making it up. But there's so much there. There's a huge preponderance of evidence of sasquatching in Spokane and Washington State. I firmly believe it absolutely. Thinking back to it, sounds like you saw it for a very short time. But you said it was all on all fours. How high off the ground was that. I guess you would say maybe the top of the head of this creature. It was at least five to six feet on all fours. And the thing about its head was there was no like muzzle. There's no you'd expect a cow muzzle, And we kept looking to see this cow's muzzle. I know I did, because you'd expect to see a large snout and or different coloration. Because my family grew up with cows.

10:33 We raised cows and boffel, believe it or not. But there was no snout. There was just no snout at all. It was its head was turned to the side, and I kept waiting to see this snout, but there was no snout when he drove past it. So and that's why I assumed that its head was all the way back around. But I think it was shielding's eyes. That's very tricky. We're able to see like a shape to the head at all, or any other detail to it. What I saw with the head, it was rounded and there was no tail. There was no tail at all. It was like a cow with no tail and around it head. That's what I have written in my memory and cinnamon brown it. It was bizarre. Could you see This is tricky because it's all on all fours. But something people say about sasquatch when they're looking at it is that the shoulders were just massive. The width of the shoulders were massive. Could you see anything, yes, yes, likewise to that, yeah, the shoulders were massive, because that's I thought it was bold because I saw rippling muscles on the shoulders. I didn't see the hoofs or feet or anything like that. I was just moving too fast, and I think it's called the parallax of the light was above that and the hood was above that. Like my visual horizon couldn't see below let's say that the ankles.

11:52 But it looked like it had massive shoulders. Massive shoulders. Absolutely, it was not something that I wanted. I don't want hit anything with my vehicle. But usually when let's say you hit like a deer or something like that, you're not worried about your vehicle. But this looked like something that it would have done serious damage to the vehicle. It was like, do I hit the mountain or do I hit this thing? Type of deal. Absolutely, and I would have rather hit the mountain. Yeah, I'd probably be right there with you. Could you notice anything if let's say you have the back legs and the front legs or the equivalents of did you notice if they were at the same sizes or it was one set maybe longer or shorter than the other set. One thing that I was assuming that the back legs would be lower, but I thought that was because it was you know, it just came off the mountain, but it was in the road by the time we got the headlights to it, so the hips were actually lower and the shoulders were higher. It wasn't like it didn't look like it was made for walking on all fours. It didn't look like it was. It was parallel like a cow. How a cow is like its shoulders and its hips are like the same height. Approximately looked like it was like bent. I wish I had more data for you with it, but it's my mind wanted to create build this pattern. It must be a cow. After examining it, I just don't think it was because of these very things that you're asking me.

13:15 Yeah, the more details that are coming out in this, it does. It does start painting a certain picture. You said there was cinnamon type colored hair. Are you able to see if it was long the link as the hair or anything. That's another thing. It did not look like cow hair at all. It was hair. It wasn't fur, because because cow hair it's like curly and chorus and shorts. This was like long. It was long. It almost looked like like it was conditioned or something like that. It was clearly cinnamon brown. It didn't look madded at all. A lot of times people say that they've there and who's to say that they're not maybe even just got up from like a sleep, they didn't have their coffee or something like that. But this thing looked like it was healthy and whatever it was looked healthy and had like hair not I'd say six at least six inches long all over it down its arms, and it was the same color.

14:09 It wasn't like a herferd cow or a milk cow or anything like that. Gotcha? And you said no ears, but also no horns either sounds and no no horns whatsoever. And the ears I couldn't even see the ears, honestly, And no tail, no tail. That was a funny thing. It definitely sounds like it was a thing where you're, as you said, your mind was trying to build a pattern based on things that you knew. And the more the more we talk about it, definitely it doesn't sound like it was probably a cow, but that's the closest thing your mind could use to fill in the blanks. And did you smell anything weird around that area when you were driving through? Did it smelled the skunky and my jeep because of my inhabitants, and probably a stale old soda serve. I couldn't.

14:54 I couldn't say, Actually, I couldn't say we're inside the Forerunner at the time. Yeah, I got you. Okay, cool. Guess another question I could ask it no weird sounds, but if you're inside the Forerunner, you wouldn't be really hearing many sounds besides that the engine. I think we were playing two live crew of something to date the situation. Nice. Yeah, unfortunately, Yes, that is such a really interesting sighting makes you wonder at that point you're not in a you're just having fun right in ninety seven and you're not gonna get out and see if there's tracks, and you're just having a good time. Yeah, that's what it was. Well, thank you for sharing that. That's a fun one. I'd never really heard one like that. I'd be curious if someone listening has experienced something like that on all fours in that same area, if they could reach out or put it in the comments, that would be amazing, big for society. Who would be right back after these messages you say you've also had something interesting happen at a range. Yes, fort Lewis, and again, I don't want to make light of anyone's bigfoot situation. Before we go on with These two situations were more or less they were funny, and they were fun. But I've heard these I winn as testimonies, especially on your show, Jeremiah Bigfoot

16:27 Society. Like you guys, your guests have so much courage coming forward, and I know what they've had to deal with. A lot of people they reach out to for support, they're ridiculed. I hate that. I hate that they've that's happened to your guests in the past. But I know I trust you to share my story. But I've got no dog in the fight, and I'm not really worried about being ridiculed for this or other things. But you provide like a really good environment for people to share their stories. What you're doing is like a public service and it's so important. Like these stories that people share are are traumatizing and they're scary. Like I've I just don't want to come across as I'm making light of anything, even though my stories were funny. Oh absolutely, And I wouldn't say it's coming across as that, but I appreciate you you calling that out. It is once you start to experience stuff yourself, which I am starting to. I'm starting to realize the that, yes, it is very important that there is a an outlet, whether it's Bigfoot Society or Sasquatch Odyssey or Sasquatch Chronicles. It's important that these things are in place so that people have someone to talk to that they're not afraid of being laughed at or losing their jobs, you know.

17:42 All right, Yeah, So this this next story, I was on Fort Lewis. Anyone that's ever been Fort Lewis or aunt around Mount Rainier might know these these accounts Fort Lewis backs up against or the Fort Lewis Range backs up against the Mount Rainier National Forest. Just to give some graphical context. So back in two thousand and seven, I was also in the Army. We're doing some training and were out there for a weekend. We met it by Camp Murray, and I was part of the opposing forces like group, and then there was like a main group and we were supposed to go out and find them. I was the Air Force guy and any so I was the Air Force guy with a bunch of Army people. So you know, I of course thought I was like, oh, I'll show these Army guys how it's done. This that's not how it went. And I'm like, oh, that's a really big gun you got there. They're like, sure, you can carry the big gun air Force guy, and I was like, oh, boy, nido. And so they gave me a two forty nine, which is the saw squad automatic weapon, and they proceeded to load me down with all the ammunition three I think two or three sacks of ammunitions.

18:48 So I'm not used to wreck marching coming from the Air Force world. Not that the Air Force people don't pt in march hard with the vast majority of the Air Force, they don't necessarily train like that. I was an eye opener. So we're all loaded up with our Alice Pax and our ACU or I think our activity vest. I forget what it's called now, it's been so long ago. And I have, you know, a saw with a bunch of ammunition, and like everybody else has these nice little like light m Force, you know, the sixteen. It's just a it's cute. And so I'm by the near end of this rock march. I'm at the very end of the line. I think I see a picture of that very weekend loaded up. It's very proud. That was before I nearly had a heart attack keeping up with these these soldiers. So we get out there to our first camping spot, and this is after an afternoon of chasing each other down and trying to surprise the main group because we once we got to this sort of theater of operations, we broke off into opposing forces and the main contingents of the group and there's an OCS group and then it was a blast that it was just a great weekend. Like the opposing forces, we got these like at least one unmarked van. I was in the very back and we're blasting Metallica and just like pumping up metal music and yeah, we're just cruising around the range is looking for other soldiers to pop off with like blanks, and we're just like shooting blanks that doing like drive bys. I don't think this is incriminating and all do I need to say allegedly, but that's just what the training was. And we did that all afternoon, like ambushing the other soldiers and it was just a blast. And so you know, we

20:22 have an afternoon of this and then we meet back up with the main group and we're more or less I don't know if we I don't think we're digging foxholes. There are already some foxholes out there. And we, you know, just set up a perimeter, a mock, a foreign territory type of deal. And so we're getting we're betting down for the nights, and then they pick you know, the first couple of guards. I was one of them facing one direction. I wish I could say south east or west, but I don't remember. We were in the forest. Mountaineer was in the background, and it was like really dense forest, and then there was another person keeping guard on the opposite side of our little base. The thing about for lewis you really got to be careful where you're sleeping because there's like these African ants that are all over the place. They will chew you up.

21:07 That it's an invasive, non native species, So just keep that in mind if you ever want to go like exploring on the range looking for things or Mount Raineer. I'm sure they've proliferated all over the place. So we're getting ready to bed down for the night. We've established a perimeter. There's like little sleeping bags all over this little grove. The sun is going down and then the instructors let us the guards and everybody else knows. Okay, there we're going to be testing you guys throughout the night, and there's other instructors out there, so make sure you don't fall asleep. That's the enemy. Your lives could depend on this some day if you're deployed. I'm like all hot to trot, and I don't want to let down my team. I don't want to mock get it, get you know, them killed, or myself. So I'm like super diligent and i want to show these army guys that are you know, what the Air Force has to offer, you know, integrity first, services for self and excellence and all we do that sort of deal. Still, these guys know what they're doing, and I'm slowly but surely, like the sun is going down. It's dark and I'm not nodding off, but it's just it's getting later and later. I'm tired.

22:10 My other teammates is still awake. I think one of the instructors at least is awake all night. But I'm basically the lone man facing one direction, protecting and the other troops as the evening whereas on it's pitch black. Now all I see is just some trees and shrubs. I start hearing something, there's something in the distance sneaking up on us, and I of course have my saw all cocked with. It's ready to go, with the belts ready, it's all cleaning. Those things are just a pain in the butt too. It was another kind of hazing process that gave from me. But I'm ready to go. I know there's going to be an instructor sneaking up on us. That's just what I suspected. So I hear this, these like footsteps in the distance, and it's clearly footsteps. It's not like a deer like hopping around or like something on four legs. There's somebody taking a step stop, step stop, or step. It's bipedal. It's objectively by pedal.

23:07 The last story was maybe it was account maybe it wasn't. This is footsteps. And it gets louder and louder, and I'm looking for where it should be and I don't see anything. But there's lots of trees, so I'm like, oh, they're being sneaky. I think I know what's going on these instructors. So it gets closer and I'm not going to have any of this. I'm going to show them that I am on guard and I'm going to be like the top soldier. So I'm waiting till it gets really close. It's just it's getting closer and close. It's like an Alfred Hitchcock movie playing out in real time. And then it gets maybe i'd say fifteen yards away. And I've been listening to this from like the distance must have you know, it sounds like one hundred yards away. It gets real close, and I stand up and I shoot in this direction with the saw two forty nine on full auto, just right at this direction, and everybody wakes up, and this thing, this shadow, whatever it was, runs along the periphery of our little camp, like just on the edge. It's running.

24:11 It's like a shadow. You can see the branches moving, and it runs through through these bushes right on the outside, and then through our camp after it gets outside of my visual range and it runs through a few of the sleeping bags through the center of our camp. Everybody wakes up on that side too, and it's I'm the only one shooting, and they're like stop, stop, stop shooting. What's going on? And then the instructors pop off a couple flares because they didn't know what this thing was, and so everybody is just really freaked out. And then a couple of the other students thought it must have been a bear. It must have been like you guys were sleeping. This was not a bear, let alone. It was brushing like branches that were eight feet at least eight feet up in the area, if six to eight feet up in the air, and it ran through our camp. It was by bipedal and the structors didn't even know what it was.

25:08 It was just the wildest thing. But it's like a scene of apocalypse. Now. Some of the other people started shooting to flare is going off. It was just it was a while the situation, and that's basically the end of it. This thing took off running and it was gone. Whatever it was, we scared it. I think, yeah, yeah, that was basically horrifying. It was like before I before I thought it was a human and then like this, this giant shadow thing ran by us, just and inside part of the perimeter too, inside where my fellow soldiers were sleeping. And I have effectively a noise gun. I can't do any sort of real damage to the thing, not that that i'd want to I really wouldn't, but yeah, it was just I'm sure I scared it half to death.

25:56 I was scared too. It was just a wild time, sir, just a wild time because you had blanks at that time, right, just like we all had blanks. I don't think anyone had anything besides the flares that were shot up first. Yeah, can you, for some listeners just explain the difference between having blanks versus normal ammunition. Yeah, it's five five, six, two two three rounds and there is just a belt fed round essentially, but there's no bullet. It's just it's about a third the normal loudness of a regular round and you can feel it in the recoil too. But it's just it's complete, just all show, no goat and type of around. You never want to be in a situation where you actually need a gun and you have blanks. And we even had these little caps they're like orange caps on the ends of our guns. I know I did on my saw. But yeah, it just makes a lot of noise, a lot of noise. So yeah, run into your camp. It's just being lit up with sound. Nothing's hitting it, but it's like not at all crazy sounds all over the places, probably freaking out. Yeah, yes, exactly because I started shooting first, and then a couple of the other cadets didn't want to be let out of the party either, so they wanted to show that they were doing a good job, and everybody started. A lot of them started shooting. Then the instructors shot up their flares too. It's just it was pretty hilarious after the fact, and then we all wrote it off as oh, it must have been a black bear, or like, sure it was a black bear and there are black bear out there, but this

27:27 wasn't no black bear. To be grammatically correct, the ain't no black bear running on two feet all the time full time. Did you notice you probably weren't in I don't know. I'll just ask were their tracks left when it ran through the camp or were there things that were just mowed over when it ran through things like that. I actually didn't check for tracks. I probably should have. The instructors were pretty pretty decisive after the fact that they were more or less like, what are you doing. There's no instructors out there. I'm just telling you that to keep it, you know, on guard. Part of your training, like stop firing, get back to bed. Now that's what we did. It was a follow orders type of deal, Yes, sir, But I should have. Did you guys have to do reports about what happened or anything? I thought I wouldn't have. Maybe that the instructors did, but I think the sightings of if they wrote it off as a bear, are just so common. But again I'm assuming. I really don't know. I was more or less trying the majority of my time there was trying to stay hydrated and perform right and not have a heart attack with these other guys. I was not prepared for that hike, absolutely at all. After that event, was there any chatter between you or people that you were there with other soldiers? What was that or I've heard something like that before or anything? I thought, oh, yeah, yeah, there was chatter as we're all talking about it like that. That wasn't a bear?

28:52 What was that? That was exactly it. A lot of those guys were not to local. No, it was a Washington Guard out, so they were local. We didn't but we didn't really talk about sasquatch or bigfoot. We just agreed that it wasn't a bear. And again, this is just busy training. We didn't have a lot of time for that sort of stuff. And we went immediately to sleep. I think it was the next person on guard, and they really didn't want to like talking all night. And then the next day we packed up and left and we didn't see each other again until a couple weeks later and then it's onto the next training event. That was pretty much it. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't bad. It was terrifying for a second, and then it was just like it happened so fast. Yeah, those are like my two like little kind of funny stories. Now we had off air. We were chatting before the interview and if I need to cut this out, I can. But you said you had interesting anecdote that you had heard that was from or I'll let you fill in how you would like to fill it in. Sure. So when I was in the Air Force, this is like years many years before my time in the Army, I was, you know, at a base called Pope Air Force Base and Fort Bragg is a home of special forces. And somebody told me that they were on a team that hypothetically knocked off a couple of sasquatch in the Fort Lewis area, And you know how of the special Forces.

30:19 You can draw a line to what those different groups are. But they said they killed a couple of them in Fort Lewis, and I, you know, I didn't think anything of it. Then years later, recently, in fact, I listened to the Sasquatch Chronicles and another great show, and there's an episode called Up the Hill. I recommend you listening listen to that because in Up the Hill, the gentleman was also doing opposing force training and he went to a portion of the base that encountered some green berets doing live fire what appear to be exercises, but it wasn't an exercise. They were doing some type of base cleansing, base cleaning, and then they killed a couple of them. This is corroboration. These things they bleed, they breed, they go to the bathroom. They can be killed big for society, who will be right back after these messages. You're probably gonna have to use like a fifty caliber and Oregon the right shot, but they can absolutely be killed. They're a living creature just like us. But yeah, that's some corroboration. I firmly believed that person at that time. Wow, that is wild. It sounds like there's some interesting things going around that Fort Lewis area

31:51 in close proximity to Mount Rainier area. It's not a surprise, really, but be interesting to hear if other listeners have if listeners have also heard things as well from that area. You kind of alluded to what you might think, but I'm going to just ask you straight out, what do you think when you think of a big foot or sasquatch? What do you think it is that we are dealing with. So I've been looking into it, and I don't know if all your listeners have heard of melb ketcham or read the DNA study, but I highly encourage you to do that. It's free online. You can go to her website or you can google it. It's a pdf. She put a lot of time and effort into it, and she was blackball lost a lot of her career. I'm just going to go a little bit into her background. Melba ketcham As is like a rock star of the DNA world. She heard her techniques and her lab has been used for federal cases, state cases, counting cases to convict people of crimes, send people to death row, or more or less. But her techniques are used to the legal standard. She's not a joke. She's not somebody that fakes things, because that'd be a moral and these governments, these local, state or federal government government wouldn't use her services. So that being said, she decided to take on the task of doing a DNA study. And this is I think from like twenty twelve or twenty sixteen. It's many years ago.

33:23 But nobody would publish her work because they doubted her her techniques or something like that, which is just ridiculous. So she had to buy her own magazine and publish it, and they nitpick maybe a period isn't rioter is not quoted, right, But the science is good. And again I'm not a biologist or anything like that, but I know enough to know that two plus two equals four, and her techniques are good enough for a legal standard. It's easily good enough for this. And from what I can tell, she went of her normal standard to convict someone and send them to death. She went many times above that sort of level of scrutiny. And so the DNA study more or less says that fifteen thousand years old. Let's just say they were created fifteen thousand years ago, and there are mitochondrial DNA. The female DNA is completely human. The nuclear DNA is four percent known, so it's human.

34:24 It's a compositive human and four percent unknown DNA. People may say, that's clearly we bred with the gorilla fifteen thousand years ago and that's how we got sasquatch, or maybe it's just inconclusive. No, this is a hard fact. This is a hard data point where there is no conjecture, there is no speculation. We now know what these things are. These things are a hybrid humans. We don't need to speculate anymore. We don't need to waste our time. We have a new data data point to build from, at least with Bigfoot or Sasquatch. It doesn't mean that there's not other things out there, which there definitely are, if we start trusting the Native Americans for a change instead of ridiculing them or thinking that they're crazy. If the salmon is real, if the bear is the mountain lion, the bigfoot, the eagle is real, what else is real? I worry about the skin mocker, the wind to Go, the dog matt, all these other things.

35:14 If one thing is real, there's probably some truth to these other things too. And I think it's a high time we start trusting the witness for a change. Anyways, what I think Bigfoot is, I think it's exactly that. I think there's a DNA study and a preponderance of evidence that leads us to believe these things are definitely real. I've seen something. I don't know what it is. I've seen something, and trust the DNA studies. Once we know that there's a sasquatch around what is fifteen thousand years ago? How could that possibly be? Evolution doesn't work that fast. It can't. Evolution's real. I trust that there's evolution. I'm not saying that evolution explains everything. It does not explain these things. So what fits the data?

35:57 We have all the data? What picture does it's paint for us? What I think it does is that these things were created. How would we create something? We would genetically engineer it. We can. It's called crisper and it requires an advanced civilization. So fifteen thousand years ago, there was an advanced civilization that genetically engineered these things. From our DNA, I don't think that there's anything else that fits the data. If there is, I'm open to it, I am, but it ain't no gigant Epithecus genetic material isn't even compatible mating naturally with a gorilla or a chimpanzee or something like that. But another thing to keep in mind when you're thinking about, excuse me, when when you're thinking about sasquatch, the difference between us and chimpanzee is whatemia it's two percent? Haven't you heard that it's two percent different? I have heard that it's a very low number. It's really interesting how, especially over the last few years, it seems that the subject has just gotten I feel it's gotten bigger. And that might be due to the shows that got popular back in the day, like Finding Bigfoot for ten years and all that good stuff. But I just feel like it is getting bigger, and there's some good people out there doing some good research, and some that aren't even talking about it, and they they're not even You've got the Olympic Project, You've got any WAC, You've got the war guys who are also down in Southeast Oklahoma. Then you've got guys that they don't want to talk about what they're

37:30 doing in the public, and I barely hear stuff about them. And I just think one of these days are going to get some solid evidence. Do you think it's going to take a type specimen to finally prove to the world that what we've got here is reel or do you think it could just be a DNA study that you know is like, they've got tons of specimens make it. It's not gonna make a bit of difference if you like, you have these people that think they're the great American hunter and they're going to go out into the woods and not only kill one, but bring it back and then get it on the news. This is the same thing I've told a few people, good luck, good luck surviving the Sasquatch, because they're just like us. They're not going to let their buddy that falls into the chimpanzee pit at the zoo carve up one of their friends and then take it outside of the zoo to their tribe. It's not going to happen. But if they do get lucky, and let's just say they come across they surprise a bigfoot like nothing's perfect. These things aren't perfect, and you do kill it, like in a defensive way. You get to contain Chris Bigfoot that's trying to kill you in your family, you kill one of them, And I mean, do you think the government is going to let you put it on the news. You might get a local news story, you might, and then it'll just go completely black. There is no way that the US government, if they don't want something like out there, they're let something as monumentous as this, like a parallel apex species occupying this planet. You know a

39:04 lot of because there's not enough people that care about this that they're just too you know, wrapped up in their own lives. People are busy, Times are tough. You've got American Idol and whatever days of our lives on TV. You're just not gonna the vast majority of the voting electorate are not going to pay attention to this. And a body ain't going to make a bit of difference. A picture ain't going to make a difference nothing. It's just going to take enough people waking up. But I highly discourage anyone from going out there and trying to kill one of these things. It just it would be superfluous, It would be wasteful, and they would probably die by the Bigfoot or the government. It just ain't connect you, I agree, Yeah, for moral yeah, there's that I'm talking. I'm having an internal model.

39:52 I'm not gonna I'm not going to get into a few things on air, but I will so uh please, but uh I will. I will say this. I agree with you that if people you guys, you gotta be careful because they're never alone, and if you are lucky enough to take it down, you will not. I don't think you'll survive. That's really what it comes down to you. Absolutely not. So just be careful, don't do it. Yeah, it's it's immoral. And then people that want to find these things, it's look, they're territorial. We've already encroached on their habitat enough. If it's one thing, if you don't know the signs, but if you're seeing these tree structures, especially upside down trees, or you're hearing wood knocks where they're like counting you in your group, you know you're you're close to them. Like putting trail cameras up all over the place, you're not going to find them. They can see infrared. You might in mvgs, but like intent matters, these things are enuff or they can read your mind whatever it can. They know your intent and if you have your open carrying a rifle into their quote unquote living They're not going to want to meet you. They're just not. They'll pick who they want to meet, and they probably already have with some of this mind speak. I recommend reading that book. By the way, there's one book by Chris It's called mind Speaks. It's pretty good. There's like this person called No Bite and Natanya Man. I'd love to that's a different segment that I'd like to ask you about. But you just don't go into their home with a bunch of movie cameras and expect any results. Certainly, don't go into their bedroom quote

41:24 unquote their bedroom like the forest and take shots at them. You're just not. You're endangering yourself and whatever if you bring along with you that have no idea that think it's a game, it's not a game. These things are. You know, it's like fighting Superman without Kryptonite with a pop gun. You know that's legitimately what you're doing. So just yeah, be real careful. People take this stuff seriously because he shows like fighting Bigfoot or whatever. I get it's done a certain way back then, but there's been a paradigm shift. No longer. Do you have to have this discerning skeptical person in the group that's I can't prove it. I'm the scientific person. No, the scientific people are the ones conducting this research, and the real scientific people are letting the data build the picture, not like someone's own condition paradigm, try and fit the data like into this picture of reality that they have.

42:14 It's the Buddhist call it beginner's mind. Let the data build the picture, and a real scientist will will tell you that the data speaks for itself. It's obvious. It's obvious. Sir Kevin, have you been doing any research yourself, like going into areas and trying to establish contact or look for anything or I might have might I might have their Jeremiah, Yeah, I might. We can talk about that sort of stuff later. Maybe I've incorporated certain things like to be continued. I understand. That's cool. Yeah, when you have a small plane in certain areas you can scope out there's certain things. That's quite the tool to have. If you have access to the small plane and you can sure lie this small plan, that's pretty cool. I would love to talk for a few minutes about what you're doing with remote cabin radio. Oh yes, okay. Remote Cabin Radio is just a pet project.

43:13 Like I think, all channels like yours are just so inspiring, and I've always had a love for the mysterious and unknown in Cold War. Eventually I'll start a podcast too. I'm not just going to focus on Sasquatch. I don't have a skill set for it and they don't have connections. But I'm really interested in Cold War. So many technologies and nick things have come out of the Cold War, and it's it deals with even alien, with the Cuban missile crisis, just our history. It's basically about US history and mysteries. That's what Remote Cabin Radio is, and I'm right now the only thing that's on the channel are just primary source narrations. What I'm doing with a company called eleven Labs out of New York. It's a voice cloning program.

43:55 Eventually i'll clone my own voice. They just haven't gotten around to it, and I'm using voices that are already cloned. It's not a synthetic speech program that sounds a little bit better than Stephen Hawk. It's nothing like that. So I'll take primary documents and I'll plug them into eleven labs and then I'll have it on my channel and that's a primary source narration component. The podcast will go along with it. But anyone that listens to the podcast can take the you know, the other episodes of the narrations and listen to those, so they're knowledgeable about the episodes on the podcast. It's just supporting documents. So it's making a lot of these these stories like ape in or the melbketch and DNA study or some of these primary documents that are super important accessible for people, and then they can listen to that and then listen to the podcast or vice versa or nothing. I've got three subscribers and one of them as a cat, and it is what it is. But it's boring.

44:49 But it's boring for a reason because it's foundational. I'm trying to be vertically integrated. But the podcast will be a long sooner or later either way. Like I love listening to your channel. You're what inspired There's me Jeremiah, Like I love Bigfoot Society. I appreciate that, and I'd recommend people definitely check out Remote Kevin Radio. There's a lot of really cool videos on there already. Bigfoot, non Bigfoot, stuff, So it's definitely worth checking out subscribing all that good stuff. But any any final thoughts about Bigfoot as we start to wind down our conversation, Kevin, Yes, are you kidding me? Jeremiah, I could talk? You're here all right? So I'm going to ask you your audience and you this so we know what Bigfoot is.

45:36 Now, So let's just say some of your audience member, audience members have contact with Sasquatch. There's reports of this, and I'm pretty sure at least one of your audience has mind speak with these things. Yes, I said mine speak, and yes I believe it. I believe it. I've never experienced it, but I believe it. If we could talk to a clan of Sasquatch or a savage, what would you ask them? I know what I would ask them. Do you want to know what I was asking? Jeremiah? Yeah? Absolutely, Okay, this would be one of my questions. What do you know about your own creator? That would be one question. What do you know about our creator? Can you tell us anything about ancient Egypt or ancient Mesopotamia or any other ancient civilization? Did we ever live together peace? Do you think we will ever live in peace together again.

46:25 What advice do you have for our species? Can you tell us about mind speak and tell everyone? I said, Hi, that's that's it. I'd love to know that as well. And I'd probably like to know more about the whole infrasound thing too, how that works. Oh yeah, pretty cool. That's at the list. And one last thing. I think, calm crazy, but I think we might need them someday and they might need us, So be real careful how you treat them, and treat each other and treat the environment. That's It's really important. We can't change the fact that there's aliens and sasquatch, and don't be afraid of it. They've been here for a long time. They're not as old as us. They're ancient, but they're not primal. But be good to each other. Don't treat this life that's all you got. And treat this environment like it's all you got.

47:14 There's a lot of creatures counting on us to take care of this environment that are or worse. Be good to each other in the environment. That's it, Jeremiah, fascinating. Kevin, thank you so much for coming on and chatting. You had some great encounter stories and also a really interesting chat about some DNA stuff I didn't really know a lot about, and I appreciate you you sharing that. Guys, make sure you go over to Kevin's channel, Remote Cavin Radio to find out more about the stuff that we were talking about. I believe there's some DNA study things over there and some other Bigfoot related things that you'll probably like as well. Can people reach out to you or are you in the shadows for now? Oh? Yeah, I wish I was that mysterious. I yeah they can. Remote Cabin radio dot com has contact information on it. Email address is there or you know what?

48:02 You can send me a letter. I like getting letters. I paid for that po box and we should use it, so feel free to send me letters about anything or an email whatever you want. So contact info is on the website there. I'll have that linked in the show notes if you need to reach out to Kevin directly about what he was talking about. But thank you so much for coming on tonight, Kevin, Yes, sir, thank you. Another special thank you to Kevin from Remote Kevin Radio. You can go to Remote Cavinradio dot com to get all the info and all the links heads up about the episode you just heard. The goal with Big for Society is to have it continue to keep going for a good long time. That being said, certain platforms are starting to have algorithms that kick in for certain subjects. The interview that was just played did have a significant part cut out of it due to let's just say, things that are related to items that the Smithsonian used to try to gather and then kind of go from there and put in all sorts of other stuff that would trigger algorithms. It's a fascinating chat, but if I put it on YouTube and other platforms, there's a high likelihood that it could really mess up a lot of things. That being said, I just want to point out again there is a raw audio part

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52:38 stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out and now feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I can. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you.